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CME Hikes Nat Gas Margins By 26%, Second Time In One Week

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By now everyone is aware that come February, and those January electricity and heating bills arrive, a substantial portion of any discretionary income the average consumer may have had will go out the window, once again hitting the US economy where it hurts the most: the 70% of it that comprises consumption. And while the cold weather persists, there is little probability of a quick return to normalcy for natgas prices, which is where the CME comes in. Having hiked natgas margins by 20% six days ago - a move which did nothing - moments ago the mercantile exchange resorted to tactics which are all too familiar to gold bulls circa the summer of 2011 when the CME was hiking gold margin not by the day, but sometimes by the hour. Sure enough, here is the second natgas margin hike in one week, this one by 26%. It remains to be seen if this follow up attempt to spook speculators achieved much if anything.

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Thu, 01/30/2014 - 19:58 | Link to Comment fonestar
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Do you guys stack physical natural gas too?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:00 | Link to Comment WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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We only have yours.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:05 | Link to Comment fonestar
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It's invisible, it has no intrinsic value.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:07 | Link to Comment WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Isn't Bitcoin invisible ?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:11 | Link to Comment fonestar
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Yes, things that are invisible have no intrinsic value.  Like math for example.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:41 | Link to Comment InjectTheVenom
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speaking of natural gas , anyone catch the SOTU the other night ?!    ;>)

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Do you guys stack physical natural gas too?"~

Propane. And a biogas digester, (7 horses in the 'hood). It's a gas... and a fertilizer! But it doesn't "stack". It kind of plops.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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" But it doesn't "stack". It kind of plops."

Just like foneystar's comments!!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Jack Napier
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Somebody get fonestar a dictionary. Math has no intrinsic value. The value is entirely extrinsic; outside the math itself, as in what it is being applied to.

For example we may use math to build structures that are earthquake proof, but the value is not in the math, it is in the building. I'm sure we can agree that math has immeasurable value, but none of it is intrinsic to the math. Math is in and of itself is useless without practical application.

Gold OTOH has value in and of the material regardless of the fact that it also has practical application. Nat gas, not so much though. Metals have appeal beyond their industrial use, but this is not a blanket truth for all commodities.

BitCoin is somewhere in the middle. It has intrinsic value for the service it provides, but no intrinsic value for what it consists of. The caveat is that any intrinsic value for BTC is dependent upon other services that the government has control over (Internet and electricity) so they essentially control that value.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 21:25 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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You'll lose this argument which drills right down to the fundamentals of nature in physics.
What is the definition of math but the relations OF that which can be enumerated, measured & exist? So the existence of the universe itself with various measures (constants, it seems) for light speed, resistivity, etc., are all from the universe itself.
It matters not that we are alive to apply math to building things: the universe rebuilds itself constantly everywhere, even space itself expanding, from this math, which is made from the precise nature of the physics of things which exist.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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Isn't bitcoin based on math?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:21 | Link to Comment max2205
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Central planning 101

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Trucker Glock
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I keep my NatGas in an encrypted wallet.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 22:15 | Link to Comment TheRideNeverEnds
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I started stacking NG futures on the short side when they passed 5.40 yesterday but only held them till it went back to 5.20 where I covered em like a freaking Johnny today.

 

Hopefully it stays right around here for the next twenty days or so cause I am still short a rediculous ammount of premium in UNG around this level.

 

I think you should buy the dip and sell the rallies to keep it around $5; you know what with the polar vortex, fracking, ummm, Turkish yields.?. and all that.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 04:27 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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I'm glad you're covering; somebody has to supply my profits.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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So foneystar is just a garden variety troll after all. I was beginning to suspect as much based on his weak arguments. I am relieved to discover that he is not actually as stupid as he presents himself to be.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 21:27 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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you mean store compressed liquid natural gas?
Some people do.
In particular I don't because I'd like something a little easier to handle.
Parafin, wood, biodiesel, vegetable oil, that kind of thing.
Believe me, if I felt there was a way I could easily use beta-radiation to make a super-longlife battery I'd do it. The principle seems sound but the materials are "illegal" (imagine, nature being illegal), and shit like that would put Duracell out of business pretty much forever.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 19:59 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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Got Wood?

This may help...

DaddyO

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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I am very disappointed DaddyO. I was expecting porn.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:49 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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Sorry, my porn days are long behind me...

Preparation in the new porn in the world we live in.

It's a sad day when a link to a wood burning stove is necessary to underscore the current state of affairs we find ourselves facing.

DaddyO

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:06 | Link to Comment 666
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If they could have harvested the gas from those cows in the barn that blew up in Germany when a spark ignited their farts, Nat Gas futures would be way down.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-29/someone-just-got-amaranthd#comm...

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:03 | Link to Comment DavrosoftheDaleks
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Fonestar, unlike Gold, it's quite easy to carry around Nat Gas wherever I may go.  It even gets through the metal detectors.  Even your bitcoin holding phone can't do that!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:06 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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this really is hysterical at this point. For years we hear how the U.S is overflowing in nat gas and we get a cold month and everyone takes it in the ass from a nat gas shortage.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:43 | Link to Comment aVileRat
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Can't comment on the tape but the squeeze is akin to the Hurricane spikes. It's not a stock but a flow issue.

Plenty in the ground, not enough storage to justify an extra 9 Tcf of gas storage fields. The US states have been underinvested in utility heat/power for 20 years now. You may remember such famous utility schemes of skimping on investment for phonystar yields such as Enron & TPG/TXU.

This is the net effect. 

If the utility corps were more vested in developing new Co-Gen facilities vs. trying to bootstrap their ROE's, then the situation in general (a higher gas demand, more consistent prices, cheaper electricity for ALL the west coast base grid) would be a minor blip. Maybe 4.60/mcf tops. Coal, due to coal dust would be ineffective in situations like this and Nuclear can not be brought to max loads in this scenario either.

hash-code and amazon stock does not keep you warm, or fed.

 

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:54 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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You don't think anyone in America is going to catch a break do you.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:09 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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the price is wrong bytchez

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 04:33 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Yes; it is; but it's correcting itself. The margin hike will help. The CME is helping me out; isn't that nice of them.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 20:10 | Link to Comment ultimate warrior
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I live in Wisconsin and I use Nat Gas. Luckily for me I'm with a company that has enough supply to cover the shortage but my tank is at 30% and If the cold keeps up I'll be out of fuel by March. I'm looking at my bill from Jan 13 2014 I paid $3.449 a gallon but March prices will likely be over $5.00 gallon. That's a 70 percent increase in two months! People will have to decide if they want to starve to death or freeze to death. Fun times!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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r u sure ur not talking about propane?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 23:00 | Link to Comment ultimate warrior
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Thank you. Yes I meant LP.

As you can see I drink to much lol.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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"As you can see I drink to much lol"

I drink to much also.  New car?  I'll drink to that!  Some team you like win the game?  I'll drink to that!

Now, I've never drank too much.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Theosebes Goodfellow
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I'm with you, Silverman, but I don't drink any more. ...~... That said, I don't drink any less either. <:-P

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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+ 100 :)

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 01:03 | Link to Comment bluskyes
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Damn! I was hoping I could find a LNG service for my area.

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 22:49 | Link to Comment Droel
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Yeah, what's up.  Do you get liquid nat gas delivered?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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Well, on the bright side - several wells around me (Barnett Shale) that had been shut-in due to uncompetitive pricing may soon start flowing again!  The flow of royalty payments can be seen as they trickle back into the community here in the form of work for fencing crews, or new pickup truck sales, or some have even purchased new stock trailers.  I have had my eye on a nice new aluminum Gooseneck Brand, with Rumber floors!

 

While nowhere near the $8 tcf rate that had this area humming during the go-go years, I can see an uptick coming.  I am not looking forward to the water haulers heading to the injection wells though.  The hills around here really slow them down (and all of the traffic behind them).

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 00:08 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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the UNG stopped using the commodity exchange and went to swaps.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 02:51 | Link to Comment Bill Shockley
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Unless TPTB want a revolution where the guns come out they better get some LP to Wisconsin..

 

It's averaging around -20 degrees and more snow than has been seen in many years.

 

This situation is extremely serious.

 

 

Bill Shockley

Tomahawk, WI

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