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The MyRA Propaganda Begins: "A Start To A Secure Retirement" Promises Treasury Secretary
You didn't think the US could at first slowly, and then all of a sudden, expropriate retirement accounts and invest them in the "no risk, guaranteed return" MyRA Ponzi scheme introduced by Obama during the State of the Union address without lots of behavior-modifying indoctrination in the "friendly press" first now did you? Sure enough, here is the first major propaganda salvo, coming from none other than the US Treasury Secretary, Jack Lew, which will be published tomorrow across the McClatchy media empire.
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Just out from the US Treasury Department, "In an op-ed to be published in the January 31, 2014 editions of McClatchy Newspapers, Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew discusses myRA - a simple, safe and affordable starter savings account to help low and moderate-income Americans begin building towards a more secure financial future."
myRA: A start to a secure retirement
Over the past five years, our country has accomplished a number of big things. The economy has grown stronger after being shaken to the core by the worst recession in our lifetimes. Our businesses have created more than 8 million jobs. The financial system is more resilient, with better protections for consumers and investors. And investments in domestic energy production have helped put the promise of American energy independence in sight.
In the meantime, health care costs have grown at their slowest rates in years while millions of families now have access to affordable health care coverage so they are not one hospital visit away from falling into financial ruin. Our auto industry is surging even as home values are rebounding. And the federal deficit has been cut by more than half.
So we have made clear progress. But we all understand that we are not where we want to be yet. Too many Americans cannot find a job. Too many Americans who do have a job are not getting paid enough to support their families and make ends meet. And too many Americans do not have the skills they need to succeed in today’s economy.
As President Barack Obama made clear in his State of the Union address, it is time to focus on restoring opportunity for all. That means helping to make sure more Americans can take part in our growing economy and build some economic security for the long term. To get that done, we are putting forward real, concrete solutions to our most pressing problems—from college affordability and job training to fair wages and a stable retirement.
Now, when it comes to retirement, you would think that the vast majority of working Americans would be putting some money away for their future. But the truth is, many are not. For millions of working men and women, it is not easy to save for the long haul. Many employers do not offer a retirement plan. And setting up a retirement account and maintaining it can often be too difficult, expensive and time-consuming.
The statistics paint a stark picture. Only about half of all workers have access to an employer-based retirement plan, such as a 401(k). And left on their own, few workers save. It is estimated that fewer than one out of 10 eligible workers actually contribute to an IRA.
Still, every American deserves the chance to build a secure retirement. That is why the Obama administration has designed a new way for working Americans to start saving for the future. This program, which will begin later this year, is called myRA or My Retirement Account.
This account is designed to help low- and middle-income workers, who are too often overlooked or ignored, begin saving for retirement. We are talking about the waitress who is holding down two part-time jobs to support her kids; the recent graduate who landed a job but is grappling with student loans; the janitor who has never been given the chance to invest in a retirement account.
Here is how myRA, which is simple, safe and affordable, will work.
You will be able to start saving with an initial deposit of as little as $25 and contribute as little as $5 each payday. If an employer chooses to participate, contributions are made through automatic payroll deductions, making them hassle-free.
There are no fees—100% of any contribution goes into the account and is invested in a Treasury security. That means it will be backed by the full faith and credit of the United States, will earn the same interest rate that is available to federal employees for their retirement savings, and the balance will never go down.
Finally, myRA is not tied to any one employer—it belongs to the worker, not the workplace. In other words, the account is portable and can be easily rolled into a Roth IRA. And if myRA savers ever need to, they can withdraw their contributions tax-free, at any time.
MyRA is a specific way in which we can help hardworking Americans save for the future. But there are other things we can do. In particular, the President has consistently called on Congress to help tens of millions of middle class Americans save for the future by opening up access to automatic IRAs in the workplace.
And we will continue to look for ways to help increase economic security, strengthen the middle class, and provide more ladders of opportunity into the middle class. That is how we will help make sure every American can take part in this recovery. And that is how we will help usher in a stronger, more prosperous future for our country.
Jacob J. Lew is the secretary of the Treasury.
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Scam, nothing more. You die....FED keeps the $
yep - its just "voluntary" social security - you don't get to pass that on when you die
Until Obama has his retirement in there I don't want to hear a blessed thing.
Rip off artists
Please can anyone explain to me how is MyRA different from a Ponzi scheme?
"Please can anyone explain to me how is MyRA different from a Ponzi scheme?"
Easy- when an individual does this its a ponzi scheme he's arrested and goes to jail. When the govt does it, it's a "retirement account plan" and its all good!
Actually, the phrase "A Start To A Secure Retirement" holds water. By retirement, they mean your downfall.
I bet this is almost as successful as Obamacare!
Obamacare: health insurance for the stupid. MyRA: investment for the stupid.
What country is that, Jacob?
+123123123123
After all the cock-blocking they've done with env regs and stalled approvals, this is shameless.
Edit (after reading the first 2 paragraphs): WTF alternate reality do these people live in?
Re: the alternate reality, my sentiments exactly below.
Apparently the Cabinet now meets in the Choom Room.
to hh.......let me know how francis is doing...you certainly will meet him with this one....
With no withdrawal penalty how is this any different than a savings account apart from the fact they force you to buy Treasuries with it? Do they issue you a 1099 on any capital gain? Fuckin feds.
"And if myRA savers ever need to, they can withdraw their contributions tax-free, at any time."
Wait, wait, are these contributions pre tax or after taxes? Can I just contribute my whole paycheck, then withdraw it all and owe no taxes?
Reading this trip is like reading something from the ministry of truth.
Remember the read the fine print, guys.
The "withdrawal at any time without paying taxes" sounds like they're saying "... but with penalties". You can't withdrawal funds from a Roth IRA prior to 59-1/2 without penalties. Why else would they allow you to roll it into a Roth IRA unless there were penalties for saying "gimme the cash"?
And I'll almost guarantee it will become the property of the US Gov if you die with any assets in the account (and again, hence the ability to roll it into a Roth IRA, which most will forget to do).
how can the gubbermint get voluntary contributions if they dont crash the stock market?
This is no more dangerous than jumping off a bridge.
Both are completely voluntary.
WHen it becomes compulsary, then you drama queens can start to worry...
It is not the role of government to maintain a retirement account for it's citizens, voluntary or compulsory.
Exactly, physical assets and PMs just keep getting better and better. Wish I could find some 22LR however.
It's "like a Roth IRA" so no. Moreover, who's to say the government doesnt change their minds later on about withdrawal without penalty?
>>> Moreover, who's to say the government doesnt change their minds later on about withdrawal without penalty?<<<
THIS is why we are stuck in the longest recession ever, the lowest savings rate ever, the worst labor force participation rate ever ...
We cannot trust the government. Not to be wise, not to be insightful, and especially not to keep any one plan going the way it started for more than five minutes. How do you plan for the future when the rules change on the hour?
SS was supposed to be a minimum level of support to prevent poverty among the elderly. It was only going to take a tiny percent of anyone's income, only open to those who contributed, only this and only that. Then when they wanted to buy votes later, it was expanded to include disability (for those who never contributed), the rate went up (and up and up), the wage cap went up (and up and up), the trust fund was raided to pay government bills, and so on. This will be no different.
Why would any thinking individual get anywhere near this, voluntary or not? It's time to roll the guillotines .
THIS is why we are stuck in the longest recession ever, the lowest savings rate ever, the worst labor force participation rate ever ...
Hell, you're penalized for SAVING. Gov robs you twice - no real interest is paid on your savings because gov is giving trillions in free money to banks so they have no incentive to compete for YOUR measely savings AND the official Fed policy of inflation (Vastly underreported) means your money is worht less and less the longer you let it sit. You'd have to be a fool NOT to convert any 'savings' into tangible assets that at least HOLD their value (It's what China is doing with their dollars) As for workforce participation.... Gov could change that IMMEDIATELY by putting restirictions on TARP - require any recipient to repatriate JOBS they sent overseas (hell corporations have no problem with repatriating profits if they get a tax break... we've given them TRILLIONS so how about a quid pro quo?) Wall Street and Banking sent all their data processing and call centers overseas a few decades ago. They SHOULD have been required to bring those jobs back. Instead they're now sending their accounting functions to India and elsewhere. How about limiting 'FREE TRADE'? No more shipping whole factories overseas. Instead BOTH parties aer pushing for even worse job losses with TPP. No sane nation willingly kills its own manufacturing base. Insead of measuring PRODUSTION of goods made in the US we now measure our economy by CONSUMPTION of goods made elsewhere - and that consumption is declingin because without jobs people cannot afford to consume anything - even food. Meanwhile the little the US DOES export - grain and such - is subsidized by US taxpayers - and worse. With every bushel of grain sent overseas we send irreplaceable water drawn from US aquifers and all the oil used to run the equipment and produce the fertilizer and pesticides needed to grow it. We are sentding oil and water overseas with every form of agricultural export. Government serves a very few - the wealthiest and most powerful - and will continue to do so until money is taken out of political campaigns and politicians are held accountable. We now live in a form of crony capitalism where profits are not earned through better products or honest competition but by manipulating the playing field and using government to help you while squashing competition.If you can withdraw contributions at will, who seriously thinks these hard-working, working class working workers will NOT blow up the accounts long before their retirement? No IRA can fix your retirement if you won't save.
unctuous reprobates.
@smlbizman; you're right w/ this:
they/we all'll do. eventually. for pointing out the obvious. dont you criticize (or bite the hand of) those that rule here. so much for the premise of fight club.
But SSI has been such a huge success.....what could possibly go wrong?
Haven't seen you here for a while. How is the greenhouse working out for you this winter?
Good to hear from you HH. We needed to focus on soil regeneration this Winter in our greenhouse; theres so much to learn. We've some hot-beds going outside w/some leafy greens and roots though....it's been a fine year for produce!
How are things in your neck of the woods? Have you and Mrs HH picked up any new farming skills of late?
Well, you see: Social Security is full of I.O.U.s in the form of US Treasuries that must be paid off by the same taxpayer (and his kids and Grandkids) who "contributed" to SS, effectively paying twice for one retirement.
This, on the other hand, is going to be backed by U.S. Treasuries.
Jack Lew and the Two Learned Elders busy with preparing the bright tomorrows for American retirees...
This propaganda from Jack Lew sounds more like an excerpt from the Onion
lessee
25 to start, plus 5 a week for 30 years is, wait for it, 7825 plus interest, but since this wont exactly keep up with inflation, just call it even at 7800 in purchasing power when i'm retired
sweet
Does anyone believe anything this poser says now?
And it's amazing how much he looks like a young Bob Dylan
Lew, Lew, Lew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tll8k9QHnX4
And how about the resemblance of Michelle with Jackie O
ROFLMAO
Don't spend it all in one place.
In 30 years, $7800 might get you 1/2 an ounce of gold.
You're nuts if you think it will buy you more than a packet of complimentary ketchup in 30 years.
holy shit, I can get dividends paid in Ketchup? Sign me the fuck up!!
"In 30 years, $7800 might get you 1/2 an ounce of gold."
I think you meant in 30 Months, $7800 might get you half an ounce of gold.
So clearly what you're telling me is, "you'll more than likely to get a better return on your investments, or at minimum preserve your labor if you purchase gold rather than treasuries through MyRA"?
Time for some objective, deductive reasoning:
If Obama really wanted what's best for the poor and middle class' interests, wouldn't he recommend buying gold? And for a cherry on top, how's about he take it upon himself to remove the capital gains tax from the appreciation of gold thereof (since he's ready to do things without congress' approval). At least he would provide an alternative to investing in this MyRA. People like choices. I realize the investment value could go down as gold's value relative to the dollar could drop, but at least there is no counter-party risk. With treasuries, one has the risk of default, the risk of true inflation exceeding the rate of return, taxable moments, non-transferrable for inheritance; and risk of "bail-ins" (ala cyprus and poland).
I am convinced that the risks of possessing a MyRA exceeds those of owning gold. Either Obama "just doesn't get it" or he's being disengenious. I believe he is being disengeious.
In light of my findings, I will not be signing up for this "MyRA".
Me thinks the best approach would be a self directed MyGold IRA.
>>>After all the cock-blocking they've done with env regs
Considering all this fracking is exempt from the clean water act, all other env regs are nothing but distraction & a deliberate hamstring of the little guy .
We all need clean water.
I know, right?
This one got me ;
"And the federal deficit has been cut by more than half."
Must be the new math...
Too bad his hat wasnt' actually on fire. THAT would have been funnyt right there.
just a thought,
since retirement accounts are for the most part protected against bankruptcy, why not take out huge loans and put them into the MyRA and file chapter 7? you could just withdraw all the funds after your case is processed, correct? tax free no penalties will cause alot of fraud and money laundering problems.
Well that's my retirement organized.
furthermore,
i anticipate that this will cause a major problem for conventional retirements once you consider the tax free penalty free aspect. in the last 20 years we have seen several major crashes in the market. when you factor in the losses from market corrections and add in the 30+/- tax and penalties, i see alot more people favoring Myras over traditional 401k's and ira's
this opens up a whole new can of worms
edit
a bulk of the marketshare of s&p and DOW participants consist of folks retirement plans. if folks favor mYra;s over traditional retirements we will lose a huge chunk of the stock market. the onlything favorable as it stands are the lackluster employment numbers(whatever they really are)
Is MyRA going to be managed by Jaimie and his Chase lackies? If not then a double whammey, Stockmarket crash and WS crash.....
Bring it on
Omyracare?
Never heard of it, drinking again.
I am beginning to understand the vodka drinkers Boris.
is cold of communism, not cold of Russia, is vodka help warm up from.
So your saying a takeover of the private pension industry brilliant observation! And of course since this program has the full faith and credit of the U.S. government which most people don't realize is already technically insolvent (Trillions in the hole) a lot of people will fall for it.
exactly!
it will be viewed as Tax, penalties, and risk VS no risk, no tax, no panalties (which of course is BS).
we are looking at a situation that could possibly render professionaly managed conventional retirement accounts obsolete. this of course, will cause ripple effects in stock markets and god knows what else. eventually as they take over marketshare, folks will probably have no choice but to put the money in GOV hands because 401K's will have to raise fee's to compete. but by then the stock market will have probably lost a ton of "value", causing people to run right into MyRA's. TPTB wont have to force people into treasuries rather its more of a "there isnt any other choice" type of situation(e.g. having to shop at walmart becasue your broke)
My question is how do you pay into a MyRA when you have no frikken J_O_B?.
Which cometh first chicken or egg.
Funny you should mention that. You ever hear that in the USSR unemployment was illegal?
Know how you handle that? Grab people at the door at gun point and ORDER them to work.
They don't get to pick, the police-state does.
Now...how does it go...er, ah yes,
Ask not what you can do for your country, but what can your country do for you!
yeah, that looks right.
and lets not confuse government for country
as if no assets can be forced into bankruptcy court? How's that work?
I've never done it but I'm pretty sure a part of arguing how little you pay, if anything in bankruptcy, comes as part of showing your assets to show you don't have any. That MyRA thing isn't something you can hide from the court/government so again, how's that work? And a 15k limit on top before it's rolled into something else? How much you plan on borrowing?
Don't get me wrong, I see the concept you're getting at, I'm just having a hard time figuring it as better than taking cash, buying silver & gold, pretending you went to the casino & lost all the cash, while actually just returning from a very clumsy boat ride.
Y'know.
Is he lighting that guy's hat on fire??
Tradition?
Jack Lew the Fucktard Jew. `Gentlemen, please remove your clothes and proceed into this room ... please don't trip over the empty Zyklon-B cannisters over there.`
Remember The U.S.S. Liberty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLSi55vukY
holy, don't think you're taking that too far? And +11 with only -2?
What on earth is ZH becoming. Let emotions take you over & you won't be a good trader either.
At least Francis had the sense to write 'cheesepope'
I once went with a girl named Myra, she really stole me blind. I'll never trust another one named Myra again, as long as I live.
MyRA - fully backed by a skilled welfare recipient workforce and a fiatastic soon to be former reserve currency dollar.
I'm in.
Can I put my gold stack in my MyRA?
On second thoughts, screw MyRA & keep on stackin'...
ALL Ponzi schemes (including government sponsored Ponzi schemes) sooner or later fall apart for one of the following reasons:
1. The promoter of a Ponzi vanishes.
2. Once investment flows slow down, the Ponzi scheme collapses.
3. A sharp decline in the economy forces "investors" to withdraw their funds.
"When it reaches the debt limit, the Treasury has to find ways to manage its cash and borrowing so that it can continue funding government activities. One of the many ways it can do this is by suspending investments of the G Fund. As a G Fund investor, you should know that if the Treasury takes this action, your investment is always protected, and your G Fund earnings are fully guaranteed by law under the Thrift Savings Plan Investment Act of 1987. Your G Fund account balance would be exactly the same from day- to-day as if it were invested in Treasury securities. It will continue to accrue earnings and be updated each business day, and loans and withdrawals will be unaffected."
This is from TSP G Fund, the most likely vehicle were the funds will be parked.
Option 3. Listed above is probably the way: if $1T is put in, the debt ceiling is reached and them $1T is removed. POOF $.
The Thrift Savings Plan is the federal employee retirement system kind of like an IRA.
US government defaults and MyRA Ponzi collapses.
Here's an idea to promote savings.... Bring back the savings rate!!!! I'm tired of getting my measly $0.01 every month for interest!!!!! Typical government. Creating a solution to a problem they created to solve a problem they created.
Doing what you say isn't the sociopath way. They have engineered the system to confiscate whatever assets and wealth you have, either directly, indirectly, or through inflation/dollar collapse. They have no interest in helping you. No sociopath cares about anyone but themself. It's why the world is so fucked.
The worst parasites are the ones that keep the host just barely alive to suffer forever rather than just killing it off.
war is peace
love is hate
saving is spending
Get with the program, Citizen.
"US government defaults and MyRA Ponzi collapses."
The US gov't has already defaulted. See that the Fed now holds 2.2 Trillion of US treasuries (~12% of all Federal Debt). MyRA is just another side con to keep Ponzi going a bit longer.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TREAST
"investors" to withdraw their funds."
Investors will be in FEMA camp.
Right. So that's why in this case Gov doesn't plan to vanish, investment flow can be forced by law by government, and a sharp decline requires outright rebellion - could be fighting back, could be suicide, refusing to make more babies who will be debt-slaves, etc.
what do you want to bet that this idea was originally floated to the administration by GS or JPM. I am sure they have their hands on this somehow.
absolutley. primary dealers of treasury debt. don't think for 1 second jamie and lloyd wont get their cut
Doubleplusgood, citizen Debt. You get it. Not everyone can bellyful the beauty of blackwhite economic theory. Am I detecting a lot of crimethink here?
If anyone wants a truly risk-free savings account look me up and buy with confidence, 100% feedback.
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/Fonestar/
"100% feedback"-
That's precious- dude, are you really THAT delusional? You're statisically the leading douch on this site, your numbers went past MDB awhile back......
Sorry, I can't click onto your link- I have an IQ above 80.....
Okay, I think I figured it out. Bitcoin is the new facebook.
If Facebook would incorporate a BTC trading platform or built-in BTC transfer system it would be a brilliant move on their behalf. But they're establishment, NSA-friendly lap dogs so I doubt that.
bitcoin is EXTRA friendly to the NSA.
The blockchain is public, banking records aren't.
You're doing their work for them.
How do you like your voluntary currency shoved down your throat? At $800 or $80,000?
I don't normally enjoy reading the tireless bitcoin shills; however, I completely agree with your sentence above.
Nothing voluntary is ever shoved down your throat.
Nothing personal fonestar, but in my opinion (which counts for nothing) you're at best an early adopter trying to make bank, or at worst a contract propagandist.
Sure it is. That is the nature of free market regulation. Good luck finding a personal computer without an Intel processor, for example. It has been shoved down your throat, because they have dominated the market.
You are just so used to being unter the arbitrary boot of the government that you have forgotten that there are non-arbitrary limits to what you can do even without a boot on your neck.
I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.
Except this:
Who's technology does bitcoin depend upon?
Who holds patents that cover bitcoin?
For whom does that person work?
Now I've lived in the real world for a good long while. The people pumping bitcoin here sound more like believers than rationalists to me. Moreover, I know the answers to the three questions I posed, and understand what those answers add up to in the real world.
What bitcoin seeks to do is replace face to face, hand to hand transactions, with computer to computer transactions, whether they are face to face, or not. I realize we use the former on a daily basis, but only if we so choose. If bitcoin is adopted in the fashion its believers desire, there will be no choice.
And that is what makes bitcoin dangerous. Because any computer mediated transaction can be traced, archived and stored, nowithstanding bitcoin believers confused and conflicted denials to the contrary. Indeed, bitcoin technology actively embraces exactly that for every bitcoin -- the block chain. Bitcoin is, prima facia, not an anynomous medium of exchange -- yet that is exactly what its believers most loudly proclaim -- anynomous transactions.
You do whatever you want. My grandfather used to say that to me, usually right after giving me some advice. I found out pretty quick that Poppa's advice was valuable since he believed in suffering the consequences of your actions.
So I guess about the only question you could answer for me, on the topic of bitcoins, is:
Do you put your money where your mouth is?
bitcoin is opensource. You can't patent what's open-source first because it's not original. You can't prove original ownership so you can't hold the patent.
As for dependancy: electric grids/power sources & communications grids.
Could be batteries, fuel cells, plug to the wall for nuclear, coal, biogas-burning etc. from turbines.
Comms could be radio, wires, laser-optic, any number of things.
Problem: just about no one who depends on bitcoin controls THOSE underlying technologies, infrastructure, whatsoever.
"Because any computer mediated transaction can be traced, archived and stored"
Not so. Anything encrypted & transfered directly from a wire to another computer / phone next to it is much more secure - unless your device itself has security problems, which many do, which is why I responsibly bring up the caveat.
"Indeed, bitcoin technology actively embraces exactly that for every bitcoin -- the block chain"
Indeed: we don't need a blockchain to validate purchases using dollars, silver coins or barter so why do we need one for digital currency? We don't. It's a huge flaw just for existing. The MANNER in which it exists, getting exponentially bigger to require full validation, is even worse, as that's a giant waste of computation & storage resources plus the communications OF it, always peer to peer downloading it.
I mean, at least if it was rsynch'd or something so differences were transmitted that could reduce the transit-time for the blockchain over time to many peers but that fails to negate the problem of it existing at all, and exponentially growing on top of that.
Who is still buying computers? While I just bought 3 servers with AMD processors, I don't have to buy any computers at all.
Apple mobile devices have Apple designed processors made by Samsung.
At least to a little reasearch before posting. Only government can create coercive monopolies.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_processor/
Not so easy. Many apple products do actually use Intel. Soooooo. Not trying to be a dick. But a little research and all......
I am a dick. Soo....trying to be a dick and all....go fucking read my original goddamed comment, and comprehend the explicit nature of "mobile devices"
I own an i-7 MacShit Pro. I am fully aware, thus my qualifier.
Have a nice fucking day. A little fucking goddamed research and all.
Fucking asshat.
Nothing voluntary is ever shoved down your throat.
Your throat and I am the volunteer.
Come on by then. You're welcome to try. Pack a lunch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZWEs3VStQ
This is the best comment of the day on ZH. +1000
he's even better! Now he's the MillionFonerBoner!
Bear with me...this all comes together???
Japanese Yen hugely devalued in '13...and hit peak devaluation (so far) about Jan 1...Gold collapsed starting the same time and hit bottom as Yen hit peak devaluation. So, Yen devaluation is short gold but long the phsyical metal. But this trade is almost entirely played out as the physical @ these prices is nearly unavailable and so can no longer be paired up w/ a Yen short paper gold w/ a corresponding long physical trade.
Comex deliverable gone from 3 million oz to 375 k oz in '13...GLD lost 570 of it's 1350 tons...LBMA pretty well cleaned out...all the non-mining scrap sales have collapsed...mining production flat at best and at/near/below the all-in cost of production and exploration, CapEx is shuttered...So available supply @ these prices is collapsing and assuming Yen devaluation continues unabated, soon (now???) the short gold trade in Yen will no longer have a correpsonding physical asset available with which to pair off long against. Simply another 3%-5% Yen devaluation and nearly all available physical supplies are gone or unavailable (non-deliverable). This is coming @ us rapidly...it is quite obvious and nearly every obvious trade is wrong...so what are we looking at??? Is further Yen devaluation about to flip from a positive correlation to negative??? Or has Yen devaluation max'ed out (counter devaluations?)
So, are stocks bout to get clobbered as Yen game w/ matching phyz and long global equities over...which would mean the stock market bout to get clobbered...and safety is where...in bonds and MyRA. People will be thanking Jack and Big O for the "safety" they provided.
Careful what you tweet fone.
pods
I thought the same thing.
This is truly the most insane fucking thing I have ever heard of.
"We are talking about the waitress who is holding down two part-time jobs to support her kids; the recent graduate who landed a job but is grappling withstudent loans; the janitor who has never been given the chance to invest in a retirement account."
As if these people have two fucking nickels to run together. But let's say they do, literally have two nickels...
You will be able to start saving with an initial deposit of as little as $25 and contribute as little as $5 each payday. If an employer chooses to participate (yeah right), contributions are made through automatic payroll deductions, making them hassle-free.
Someone feel free to check my math because I am in a hurry...but a $25 starting value with $130 annual additions (26 pay periods x $5) compounded at 2% (7yr treasury roughly?) adds up to $995 in seven years. Maybe a few nickels more because I compounded annualy...but whatever.
This is a viable retirement plan being pitched? WTF??????
Doc is right. Slippery slope to the real idea.
I have a feeling Obama will explain MYRA sort of like this during his 3rd term.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
lol..Obama without the Telepromter style. Shiiiit.
Donno Fonz...I read your rail comment yesterday....I am thinking these fuckers are going for it.
So basically the theory is what...the fed exits qe....or we get a black swan...the market tanks....like tank tanks....and then whoever our dear leader is comes in and says If you had 100k in your 401k plan on Jan 1st 2014 we will restore your balance to 100k thanks to the fed printers...whose fault this all is, and the 100k will now go into this MYRA plan to be invested in treasuries back by .gov". By the way...the stock market has been completely eliminated since no one trusts it anymore. Maybe...I mean I used to think a bit like that.
How about this. I just thought of this now so forgive my lack of detail... How about a year from now when the SPY is up another 15% take these MYRA's and make a combination of 50% UST's and 50% SPY that the .Gov promises to make sure is 100% principal guaranteed....for a small fee payable for .gov insurance?
My thoughts were that they are looking for another market to mop up the shit. They already have a mop nearby...us. Mind you they will start small cleaning the easiest rooms first....and then move on until everybody is in the same dirty water.
My point was and is...is that they are after our retirement money...plain and simple.
A market crash...would..at some point....lead people begging to be cleaned.
FYI...they are rolling out the same sort of program in Canada...French Canada first. I find it curious that this Eureka moment is occuring at the same time.
I would not rule out the possibility you are right. As I said, I used to believe that much more than I do now. I mean look at the excruciating amount of effort they have expended to rig this market and get retail back into it, and they still have a ways to go...only to then pull the rug out again? I doubt it. I'm not saying it's possible that they somehow lose the handle on this and it ends up going that way. But I think that is a distant plan B. Plan A is we ramp this market higher and higher while firmly keeping the end of the gun pointed at the temple of the rest of the world to buy our Treasuries...which despite everything we read on here (ask Ham-bone) they seem happy to do.
Hey, thanks to you...I play the market at a different angle. No angle. Just FX. The SP...is going to go where it wants to. However, I think the focus is on fucking the American saver...once again.
http://www.benefitscanada.com/pensions/governance-law/quebec-passes-vrsp...
The idea appeats to be catchy! The fuckers will fine tune it...but the games is set.
The Fed has to sell all that shit it has been buying to someone.
but does it really? 'they' make the rules... i can think of a number of ways they might get around this, none of them pretty for the average man.
Double post. Fuck me.
+1
For...
Double post. Fuck me. -- Grande Tetons
Tempting.
fonz
I think the gun hand is begining to tremble. Economic dominance is within China's grasp. Military is coming if they succeed. Our pivot happened immediately after China shotdown a ballistic misslle on the Pacific test range. Putin's banking on Chinese lack of ambition beyond their borders, and his hand on their marginal energy tap. And, let's face it, the neo-cons are nothing if not oily. That's what made (and makes) Afghanistan so valuable (and Iran now that the Pakis can't be trusted) -- Caspian Sea oil. They want a pipeline terminus on the indian Ocean (lower shipping costs, bypasses already crowded facilities). By controlling the marginal price of energy (in dollars) in the far east, the neo-cons believe they can perpetuate their financial control of the world.
Which is a round-a-bout way of saying I agree with you.
If the big players were to run up the prices of stocks to lure the retail players back in, would their game not be to sell the retail at a high price, then bottom it out, only to repurchase the same stock at the lower price. I mean someone's cash has been used to drive these prices up and even if it is Fed money, it has to be paid back, right? So use cheap borrroewed money to drive up prices, lure the chickens in to the pen, slam the door shut and go to plucking. Too simple?
Check this out Fonz:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/readysavegrow/start_saving/retirementaccountfactsheetenglish.pdf
They can only save up to $15,000 or thirty years then it goes to a private plan.
Thanks for the link Doc. I wonder what "private sector" plan it gets rolled into...the one offered by Goldman or JPM...on that magical day that $5 biweekly earning 2% adds up to 15k.....
I wonder how fast they tie these MYRA's to people who did not sign up for Obamacare and then confiscate any contributions to pay the penalty that they avoided by not filing taxes.
They need to get me on the evil payroll fast so I can give them some good ideas.
It is called AUTO ENROLLLMENT. Raping by proxy if your prefer.
C'mon Fonz - this equity run is over...Fed tapering (less gross $) while margin debt is record and then some (extreme leverage) and earnings faltering...
All the buttons have been pushed and dials turned...this thing is going down again until somebody pushes the emergency stop button again.
Common folk will praise Big O for this "savior" he's offered them.
I was always wondering how the Fed could increase their treasury holdings from 30% to 51% and control the bond market, thereby neutralizing the bond vigilantes.... without continuing to expand QE. Hello MyRA. The nexus that completely obliterates any lines between the Fed, Treasury, and Primary Dealers. The perfect tri-fecta.
There used to be a poster, Dime...who said this would happen in a roundabout way. Too bad he does not post anymore. Smart cookie.
Yeah, I remember him. He opened my eyes. It all makes sense when you start thinking that the real plan is to corner the bond market to make bond vigilantes powerless. They learned from the failures of the EU. There really is no limit to what these sociopath bankers can do then. The New Feudal World Order.
Too bad he is not here because I would love to read his take on a rug pull and a mop up. Cleaning house so to speak.
His take is 100% the opposite of the rug pull and mop up viewpoint. The total opposite. I'd expand on it further but there is so much to it, we'd be here for weeks. It's a shame he is no longer here. agree with him or not, this place needed him.
I look at MyRA as a replacement for the SS surpluses that were buying up $300 to $ 500 B in Treasury's pre '08. Now the non-marketable debt is $5 T but little to no growth on this side...nearly all growth in the debt has been on the public debt. So MyRA would likely be a supplemental buyer of $250 B or so? Nice but unless it gets really big, not gonna be a game changer.
If 7 people signed up for obamacare 3 people will open a Myra. This is going nowhere. Unless they make it mandatory that people buy less icrap and force them to buy a non interest yielding bond instead. It's a good way to start the zombie sheeple rebellion.
yeah, hard to see this as much more than symbolic absent the mandatory enforcement...that's all the SS surplus was as well...mandatory cash put in Treasury's. But then again, look @ Obamacare, kinda going nowhere but wait, let's see if we get a stronger penalty or some mandatory push for folks into that...and then, how far behind is MyRA. Of course these things seem to make no sense if they are an option, but if mandated they suddenly are very impactful.
Tax-payer rebellion means people know they are tax-payers.
Those who have little or no income don't think they pay taxes.
They pay for transactions but not on annual income.
They forget: in a police-state anyone, any time can be tapped for taxes.
It's called imprisonment whereby 100% of your actions are controlled, location & work output.
It's only a matter of time before the prison-industrial complex is easily combined with the big-pharma mafia to server the military industrial complex.
Americans will wonder how the Eastern-bloc countries in the USSR had it so easy.
Time's are a changin' - and yet - it's never different this time.
another clue?
Conclusion
Without further reform of MMFs, our financial system will remain vulnerable to runs and instability, which are harmful for retail and institutional investors, businesses that need a reliable source of funding, the MMF industry, and the financial system as a whole. We will seek broad input from the full range of stakeholders on how best to design further reforms.
Four years after the instability of MMFs contributed to the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, with the failure of the SEC to act, the Council should now move forward with the tools provided by Congress.
Sincerely, Timothy F. Geithner
http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/geithner-fsoc-letter.aspx
Pretty sure a year from now the S&P500 will be between 800 and 1100. http://flic.kr/p/enJ7Cs
I'm ready for it: http://flic.kr/p/ikyjpz 216-219 = C, last reading was 218.896, C = HVU 1/11 x SPY
x75 is 16,425 as seen in this chart http://flic.kr/p/iwHcZZ
have you all accepted that every warm breathing body is a form of collateralized debt?
"if myRA savers ever need to, they can withdraw their contributions tax-free, at any time."
If they had a myRA, they might have a nickle to rub. /sarc
By the way.. what idiot needed to point out "tax-free", how do you tax NIRP?
Is this like a tax loophole for the everyman? You have your whole paycheck deducted into MYra and then withdraw from MYra tax free, anytime, like payday?
Or how about money market 2.0?
Put your cash in, guranteed principle, get 2.0% APR, take it out when you need it.
i'm pretty sure that your payroll contributions will be post-tax. they will not make the same mistake as with the 401(k).
Correct, post-tax. Once it hits $15,000 it automatically rolls over into an IRA:
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/encore/2014/01/29/meet-myra-obama-offers-ir...
From hunt from red october
"Now how can the captain make is crew want to leave the sub???"
Analog From Jack Lew,
"Now how can we make J6P plow his life savings into a "MyIRA" ??? "
Fonz FTW.
Shame is not a word used in DC
sure it is.
"Mr. Congress-critter, sir, there's still people protesting who haven't been shot or beaten into submission yet."
Feinstein: "hmm, that's a shame."
if i'm running a ponzi, and i can get $995 from 100 million people, well do the math.
every little bit helps.
So let's take that 1000 over seven years figure.
# people fleeced x 1000 = revenue
10M people -> $10B
100M people -> $100B
So all this scheming over 1.25 months of QE?
That's enough to cover the hole left by the taper.
What hole? The first removal of 10 billion/month happened with a bulk buy covering 20 month's worth of 85 billion.
That's some "taper". The next 10 billion down from 75 to 65 billion/month... did another bulk buy go with that?
This movement is all on perception & COUNTING CARDS, seeing how many sheeple are IN. As soon as it appears no more sheeple are joining in the BTFATH-fest it's time to dump the fucker down & use insider trading for puts, margin-shorts & to cancel orders using the NASDAQ-control-z trick if it doesn't work out part of the time for the pay-masters.
edit: dup.
Retirement plan for crackheds and mental midgets.
He justifies it as he is pitching it over a $500 lunch tab. Hey, somebody gots to pay for all this food!