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Greece Is Back: Germany, France, Creditors Hold Secret Meeting Due To Greek Bailout "Mounting Concerns"

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There was a time - roughly between May 2010 and the spring fall of 2011 - when all the world had to worry about was Greece. Then the realization finally dawned that since a Grexit from the Eurozone would kill the EUR and the European integration dream with so much "political capital" invested, crush Deutsche Bank, and bring back the much dreaded (by German exporters) Deutsche Mark, it became clear that there is no fear that Greece, which is now a decrepit shell of a country with a collapsed economy and society in shambles, has now become a slave state to European bureaucrats, business and banks (in Nigel Farage's words), will never be formally kicked out of Europe and only an internal coup would allow it to finally break free from the clutches of unelected European tyrants. And then the world moved on to more important things: like Japan, China Emerging Markets and how they are all enjoying the Fed's taper. Sadly, we have to report, that Greece is once again baaaaack.

According to the WSJ, "top officials peeled away from colleagues after a euro-zone finance ministers meeting in Brussels Monday evening for a secret meeting to discuss mounting concerns over Greece's bailout.

WSJ adds:

High-level officials from the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission, the European Central Bank, senior euro-zone officials and the German and French finance ministers were present, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they aren't authorized to talk to the press.


They were trying to figure out how to tackle two issues threatening to unsettle the fragile economic recovery in Greece and the broader euro zone.


They discussed how to press the Greek government to forge ahead with unpopular structural reforms; and second, how to scramble together extra cash to cover a shortfall in the country's financing for the second half of the year, estimated at €5 billion-€6 billion ($6.81 billion-$8.17 billion).

Of course, this being Europe, nothing was decided: "The meeting was inconclusive, the people familiar with the situation said. Talks with the Greek authorities continue remotely—though representatives of the three institutions, known as the troika, have put on hold their plans to travel to Athens. Concerns are growing because Greece faces a large maturity of government bonds in May of €11 billion. The IMF hasn't disbursed any aid to Greece since July and is €3.8 billion behind in scheduled aid payments. The IMF insists on having a clear view of the country's finances 12 months ahead, and this condition hasn't been met."

And so the posturing resumes, with the Troika pretending it won't hand over the funds unless Greece "reforms", and Greece promising the "reform" as soon as it gets the funds. Nothing new here. What is new, is that finally the facade of Greek sovereignty and independence was stripped away as decisions regarding Greece took place... without
Greece: "Greek Finance Minister Yiannis Stournaras, who was briefing the
press in the same building at the time, wasn't invited."

Which is right - after all when a nation is enslaved and has no sovereignty, it doesn't deserve to have a voice in its future.


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Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:45 | 4387996 doomandbloom
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Greece is not Spain

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:49 | 4388014 Levadiakos
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Free  Nikos Michaloliakos and the Golden Dawn

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:57 | 4388055 hedgeless_horseman
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Sadly, we have to report, that Greece is once again baaaaack.

Happily, I get to report that Euro shorts are once again front and cennnnter.


1.3481  -0.0074 -0.55%

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:57 | 4388070 TeamDepends
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Is this "business casual" in Greece?  No wonder they don't get anything done.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:08 | 4388116 THX 1178
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Someone get Mr. Panos on the blow!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:15 | 4388144 aint no fortuna...
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well, this seems to be giving the algos a hard-on

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:20 | 4388163 Temporalist
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On a related story about Europe and Nigel Farage:


'UK Tea Party' Surges to Become Country's 'Most Favoured' Political Movement


"UKIP is also expected to take a huge chunk of seats at the upcoming European Parliamentary elections in May, promising more Eurosceptic Members (MEPs) who will no doubt argue for a return of sovereignty to national governments across the continent, away from the bureaucratic talons of the European Union."

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:05 | 4388361 StacksOnStacks
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What shorts?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 06:13 | 4393120 Doña K
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My hubby grew-up in Greece and he says that Greek men are immune to topless women but they still look for statistical purposes.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:15 | 4388401 Ghordius
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UKIP for a return of sovereignty to national governments across the continent?

I'm sorry, but it ain't so

UKIP stands for UK Indipendence Party. they want the UK to exit the EU. they don't even bother to vote, in the EU parliament

national governments? probably you are American, then in Europe governments are what you call administrations, i.e. the executive. and they sit in the Council

the "fight for sovereignty" is not around governments, it's around parliaments and highest courts

who is seriously comparing UKIP with the US Tea Party?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:50 | 4388508 Rafferty
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Sorry, but UKIP will turn out just like the rest of them once they get a whiff of power.

ANother sign is that the YKWs are busily infiltrating the party.  Jokes already to the effect that the Tory Party will be replaced by the Torah Party.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:51 | 4390896 limit_less
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Ghordius - You are wrong. UKIP wants free trade between all countries and free movement between some members. No laws made in Brussels. That is it, no more. Sounds perfect to me.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 06:34 | 4390917 Ghordius
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limit_less, I agree that UKIP wants free trade. All Britons want free trade. Inside, outside any trade unions, actually they don't like trade unions

which reminds me that we continentals wanted and still want a trade union, and Britain mostly joined so that it would not be left outside of it and our markets

yet my argument is that UKIP does not want to change anything about the EU, it just wants the UK out of it. BriXit

I'd be the first to cheer if they succeed


ok, now I see why I caused confusion. Temporalist was writing about the EU elections. I was thinking more in general. Which leads me to remind you that UKIP needs your vote in the national elections in order to achieve their goal...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:31 | 4388465 Son of Loki
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'UK Tea Party' Surges to Become Country's 'Most Favoured' Political Movement


1 problem here...the euros don't drink tea.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:01 | 4388085 Dr. Engali
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Damn! Damn you Horseman. Now how am I supposed to get any work done?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:11 | 4388134 ParkAveFlasher
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I wouldn't mind a little bit of her contagion.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:33 | 4388231 Temporalist
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Ever had an STD?  Ever had an STD with tsatsiki?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 16:20 | 4389140 ParkAveFlasher
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Yes, and, maybe.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:04 | 4388101 falak pema
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Imagine wearing sun glasses on a hot day. You have to protect something! 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:08 | 4388124 Charles Wilson
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Is that building in the background an example of Art Deco?

How could you tell?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:23 | 4388172 hedgeless_horseman
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Long verticals, smooth surfaces, and tastefully rounded corners that are appropriately sized for the overall structure.  Certain symmetrical features provide balance and add interest..duh.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:33 | 4388239 Charles Wilson
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Put her in front of the Carlyle Hotel and then get back to me...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:24 | 4388195 falak pema
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in europe that be the equivalent of council flats.

If that's art deco then we desperately need to put those architects along with the bankstas on the list of those who should jump out of  the Shard w/o parachutes. 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:07 | 4388370 Ghordius
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English = council flats, American English = public housing

bah, this article is so full of spin that I'm still undecided if I should bother at all to comment. It would take a lot of words

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:17 | 4388407 hedgeless_horseman
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And so the posturing resumes, with the Troika pretending it won't hand over the funds unless Greece "reforms", and Greece promising the "reform" as soon as it gets the funds. Nothing new here. What is new, is that finally the facade of Greek sovereignty and independence was stripped away as decisions regarding Greece took place... without Greece: "Greek Finance Minister Yiannis Stournaras, who was briefing the press in the same building at the time, wasn't invited."

Please, take a moment to highlight the spin in the above.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:34 | 4388475 Ghordius
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fine. fact is that the troika had a meeting. without the Greek Finance Minister. it's put as suggesting as in "your creditors are having a pre-meeting", and then meet with you

is anybody's freedom and sovereignty impinged by that?

note that this kind of meeting has always been done when the IMF is involved, and the EU and ECB participation means that Greek interests are being represented and Greece will get the info. it was just the bloody Greek Finance Minister that had better things to do. he meets them later anyway

the rest is mostly spin. ok, the "posturing part" is mostly correct. but the "What is new, is that finally the facade of Greek sovereignty and independence was stripped away as decisions regarding Greece took place... without Greece: "Greek Finance Minister Yiannis Stournaras, who was briefing the press in the same building at the time, wasn't invited"? just spin

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:05 | 4388530 hedgeless_horseman
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...and the EU and ECB participation means that Greek interests are being represented...

Instant Classic!

With representation like that, comrade, who needs a kleptomaniac dictator?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:30 | 4388670 Ghordius
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how much you know about those meetings? there are becoming legendary. really hateful. three sides: one very hard, one hard and one ultra-soft

Greece is fully represented in the latter two. and it's negotiation. meaning that whatever compromise comes out, when the meeting with the Greek Finance Minister happens, he can ask for a further compromise

seriously, hedgeless, how much does the above-average-informed American (because ZH reader) know about those "international" things? You would scoff if I suggested in a comment that the US Congress could just make a simple majority vote of no confidence and appoint a new POTUS just because this would be the stardard, here

we have a lot of small sovereign nations here, and for us it's just more immediate. I think we also have a different, more sharply defined concept of sovereignty. After all, this very concept is... ours

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 15:30 | 4388697 hedgeless_horseman
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Greece is fully represented in the latter two. and it's negotiation.

I believe you!  What are the names of the representatives elected by Greeks that were in the meeting for this negotiation? 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 20:35 | 4390035 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Exactly. Probably time to go ahead and quit this one, ghordius. If you think those people are there to 'represent Greece' you are delusional.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:12 | 4390870 Ghordius
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eh? by Greeks directly or by the Greek parliament or appointed by the Greek government, who can be recalled and exchanged by a new one by the directly elected Greek parliament?

we do have a different political and constitutional setup here. it's called Parliamentarism

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 16:42 | 4389205 akak
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we have a lot of small sovereign nations here, and for us it's just more immediate. I think we also have a different, more sharply defined concept of sovereignty.

LOL!  That is rich, Ghordius!

If you Europeans truly had a "sharply defined concept of sovereignty", your small sovereign nations would not be racing (or at least acquiescing) to piecemeal surrender that sovereignty to become part of an overriding EU empire ruled by Brussels.  You would also have just as quickly long ago dumped Greece from the Eurozone as Greece would have raced to exit it.  But such developments away from centralized control are simply not an option under EU rule, are they?

Why are you so adamant in your defenses of increasingly centralized EU control?  True freedom, and sovereignty, would consist of EXERCISING that sovereignty by saying "NO" to the EU.


Fri, 01/31/2014 - 19:55 | 4389939 Ghordius
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why do you think I'm "adamant" about "centralized EU control"? it's like if you were saying to a Confederate shortly before the US Civil War that he is for a superstate

shall I set up a special EU Confederation flag for us all? we already have national flags, btw. in our political context, I'm a moderate centrist

Greece is not getting a bad deal, if you make an historical comparison. Of Treatment of Sovereigns by Other Sovereigns

Greece is holding up it's membership to two clubs of sovereigns, one based on Four Freedoms, the other monetary

remember, Greece is currently asking for moar money against new promises. and getting what Greece wants (just not all of it)

tell me, what is your definition of a sovereign? in our Old World, it's a serious, grown-up entity with agency. an adult, if you want

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:16 | 4390874 Ghordius
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"True freedom, and sovereignty, would consist of EXERCISING that sovereignty by saying "NO" to the EU."

this is your political stance. Is it that of the Greek People?

go back to the last elections and have a look which parties canvassed for that option, and how much votes they got

a majority of Greeks still want to keep the EUR. how do you explain that?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 13:38 | 4391413 akak
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Stockholm Syndrome.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:08 | 4388123 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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At least she is thin, which is alot compared to our american heffers.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:15 | 4388631 DadzMad
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It's hereford.  And stop comparing fat hairy beasts to my beautiful cattle!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 17:47 | 4389482 StychoKiller
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Look up "Heifer", not "heffer"

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:09 | 4388129 SAT 800
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Whooa ! Here, Kitty, here, kitty. Dadddy has some nice cream for you. Jeebus fizzling christos; I'm more and more interested in that picture, and I feel younger, and younger. and then; suddenly, I'm not inerested any more. Sigh ~!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:18 | 4388159 OldE_Ant
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Somehow me thinks these were the 'concerns' they were 'mounting' at this meeting.

Honestly at some point even the vampire gives up the withered and empty corpse but somehow it seems the ECB is dead set on attaching transfusions to the corpse so the vampire can continue to feed unabated.

I eagerly await the day the corpse disintegrates and the vampires go for the real targets (themselves).


Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:25 | 4388189 skistroni
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This is much better than those soups you usuallly post...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:34 | 4388230 gaoptimize
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The saddest part of the European economic crisis is that living goddesses like this woman are even less likely to have many children.  Think of the beauty, love, and joy lost, what took millenia to create will be decimated in a few short decades.  Oh how I wish I could worship her with a camera, creating images that should hang in the National Gallery of Art, and then fill up a house with her children.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:55 | 4388324 falak pema
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Talking about pretty gals : Look at Putin's new GF, age 30, ex olympic gymnastics champion and allegedly will carry the flame or flag during the opening ceremonies at Sochi. 

Groupe « lesbien » et flamme olympique : surprenantes révélations sur la cérémonie d’ouverture à Sotchi | Sotchi dans la colle | Rue89 Les blogs

This guy outhits Hollande's  hostile dismissal of Valerie and shoe in of Julie...

All these Politicians have ants in their pants. Gung ho ! 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:02 | 4388579 graneros
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"No matter what the cost them dual exhausts

drive my young blood wild.

My baby's got...

She got the Cadillac Walk."

Willy DeVille

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 01:07 | 4390651 NZ Watcher
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They have beautiful skin the Greeks

But unfortunately they go VERY pair shaped from about 32 onwards

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:59 | 4388074 Panem et Circus
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Why? It would just replace one group of Fascists with another.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:57 | 4388063 GolfHatesMe
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Grease is the Word

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:00 | 4388084 booboo
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Greece is Bostons version of "The Big Dig" and never ending deep hole for taxslaves of europe to throw money into. Bankers popping boners everytime the word bailout is mentioned and................Oh, Im thought that this was for the benifit of the Greek citizen?

So back to the dead fed economist, he slipped on a wad of spooge that ran down his leg when he stopped to take a piss.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:48 | 4388299 DblAjent
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If Greece was a teenager, his dad would have kicked him out of the house already.


Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:10 | 4388131 Volaille de Bresse
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"Greece is not Spain"


Correct : Spain is MUCH worse!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:12 | 4388136 National Blessing
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Greece is toast.  But the truth must be told.  The majority of the Greek population want to stay with the Euro.  Word.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:38 | 4388267 Azannoth
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"The majority of the Greek population want to stay with the Euro"


"The majority of the Greek population want to continue getting something for nothing" .. and they will good and hard

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:46 | 4388000 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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And now who know who the Germans were jawboning about concerning bail-ins this time around.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:47 | 4388010 RSloane
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Oh Christ, its like watching CPR being performed on a corpse that's been dead for a week. Give it up already.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:47 | 4388012 Obama_4_Dictator
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God, this is great day to watch Fox Biz and CNBC!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:48 | 4388020 Hulk
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Surprise, surprise, surprise !!! (read in your gomer pyle mental voice)

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:48 | 4388022 Cognitive Dissonance
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Excerpt from secret meeting minutes: "OK, who's turn is it to fall on their sword and print like a madman?"

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:54 | 4388047 Grande Tetons
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Draghi has been warming up in the bullpen all season. I hope is arm is still fresh. 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:26 | 4388203 disabledvet
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printing won't work.
Japan never had unemployment at this level after the Nikkei collapsed.

If Europe does QEurope then outright deflation will be the result. No need to return to the d-mark actually. the problem comes with being able to create enough debt to "move the needle" on growth.

the interest rates are low...but the euro-dollar amounts are pretty much nil in the general scheme of things.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:51 | 4388037 Quinvarius
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You mean the bankers promised to help them out and then didn't follow through.  Greece, the agreement is in default now.  Just walk away from your debt.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:59 | 4388039 Dr. Engali
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FOUR! FOUR! Four years of the same story. I think we all know how this one ends, so let's cut to the chase (banker pun intended). After much blustering back and forth Greece gets bailed out, the bankers get paid, the people get screwed, and we repeat the cycle next year.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:25 | 4388201 NoDebt
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Agree.  The only thing that required discussion in that "secret meeting" was how they're going to dispose of the bodies.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:53 | 4388049 sudzee
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Markets sure lovin this good news.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:53 | 4388050 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Greece never went away!

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:55 | 4388058 LawsofPhysics
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Seems that first domino just won't fall.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:57 | 4388060 DeliciousSteak
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Meh. Pocket change. Wake me up when they start talking hundreds of billions again.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:59 | 4388065 falak pema
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Greece is looking for the golden fleece...

ITs not in Greece but the Troika won't believe them. "Its here somewhere, you crooks! Where are you hiding it?" 

Those banks are so relentless. They have sold the golden fleece to two thousand clients; all Oligarchs, all with hired guns!

You can imagine their angst at its disapearance. "We'll lose our bonuses if we don't produce by this summer! We may even have to jump from the London Shard. Thats the NEW Tower of LONDON. The place where they, the Oligarchs, hang those deemed criminal who DONT DELIVER. Those who WONT Jump without their parachutes just get pushed out!  I dont want to die like that Ambrosiano fella!"

Ye Gads, What is Boris up to? 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:00 | 4388079 Jason T
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"we keep you alive to serve this ship."



Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:06 | 4388094 CaptainSpaulding
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"Back to your orr,  41"

   - The devine Arrius

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:07 | 4388118 Rainman
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" so row well and live . "

    +1   Ben Hur

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:05 | 4388105 olle
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Too much political capital invested in Greece "rescue", they will find a way to get the taxpayers of EU take the bill, it´s just a question of how to present it, so nobody understands what´s happening....wait and see

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:10 | 4388128 Hayabusa
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They just love it when a country accumulates so much debt that they can step in, "lend" them money and from that point forward have the leverage to, RuLe them!  The debt surfs had better exercise more self control next time around - if there is a next time. 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:15 | 4388143 youngman
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The Troika wont even go there...afraid of their lives I bet.....11 billion coming due...a shortfall of 4 more billion...yeah looks good without a bailout.....not...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:17 | 4388153 reload
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I wonder how many of the CDS written on Greece that were `live` back in 2012 when things got a bit exciting, have now simply expired?

If the CDS market has `gone away`  allowing a default may be less unatractive than before....possibly.

But assuming there is anything of value left to loot - the can will be kicked, again.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:18 | 4388168 yogibear
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Back so soon? The olive oil tourism just isn't going to cut it anymore. The Brussels banksters want more.

Isn't this how Hitler took over?  Eventually people for an alternative. They have no choice.


Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:23 | 4388185 Jim in MN
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How DARE the slaves cost money!!!



Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:24 | 4388193 SAT 800
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Damn, I can just tell at a glance that girl is a highly qualified deck hand. got me so interested in her future employment and happiness, I tried to start eating breakfast before I remembered to put my teeth in; damn I hate when that happens.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:28 | 4388205 smacker
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"...decisions regarding Greece took place... without Greece: "Greek Finance Minister Yiannis Stournaras, who was briefing the press in the same building at the time, wasn't invited." "



I hear that fights break out in Athens between homeless folks fighting over doorways to sleep in.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:17 | 4388410 Ghordius
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come on, smacker. the whole article is around the factoid that those guys had a meeting to discuss what to say to the Greek delegation. hardly a breach of anything, and for sure not of sovereignty

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:36 | 4388244 adonisdemilo
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Beteeen Golden Dawn and Syriza they should be able to put a stop to the rape and pillage of Greece.

The ensuing collapse of the European nightmare will be a very welcome sideshow.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:36 | 4388245 Azannoth
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Seems a proper Right-Wing Revolution is the Only way Out for Europe

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:44 | 4388284 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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This time finish the fucking job

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:45 | 4388288 Skip 2 My Lou
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greece is back, tell a friend naraaaanaaaananana

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:56 | 4388330 Joe A
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"Then the realization finally dawned that since a Grexit from the Eurozone would kill the EUR and the European integration dream with so much".

Perhaps. But it would also put in motion a chain of events that would mean the end of Deutsche Bank

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:16 | 4388405 q99x2
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Tell me it ain't so.

Is Greece going to default?

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:17 | 4388409 WhyWait
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The curtain has been pulled back and the Greek people are confronted with the naked reality of no democracy, outcomes that cry out against logic and reason, and a spineless gaggle of "socialist" and "social democratic" politicians unable or unwilling to lead them in a fight.  The question has to be asked: "why not?"  It is not sufficient to just dismiss them as bad or worthless people.  They must have their reasons.  We all have our reasons.

I keep remembering how the Greek Prime Minister, Papandreou was it? who proposed to put a bailout package to the voters, but withdrew that several days later reporting that he had been personally threatened with death by President Sarkozy of France.  I wonder, was his capitulation simply personal cowardice? Complicity? Or bowing to Greece's reality as an enslaved nation? What would have happened had he defied Sarkozy and pushed ahead with the vote? A simple murder would not have been enough for the EU to set that right.

Then there's the Army. Greece's army is descended from the puppet forces that collaborated with Hitler and took control during the Civil War of 1946-49, with heavy British and American support.  The generals took back full power in a bloody coup in 1969, as told in the movie Z, to tame a population that was getting out of control.  It relinqueshed power under pressure in 1974 but was not defeated or purged.  

The key to understanding the collapse of Greek democracy in the face of the EU bankers may lie in the answer to the question: Whose army is it?


Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:25 | 4388443 WhyWait
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The resolution may perhaps lie in the hands of the junior officers and professional soldiers, whose thoughts and loyalties we can only imagine.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:22 | 4388425 foxenburg
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I'm not sure of the relevance of the barge haulers on the Volga. Though the Russian trikolor on the barge is upside down, a universally recognised call for HELP.

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:24 | 4388441 Confabulator
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Who else noted the Russian flag on that ship? I thought other countries were more actively involved in slavery...

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 13:54 | 4388525 Die Weiße Rose
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look at all those poor unemployed english people in the background.

before the GFC they have bought property on Ninja Loans in Greece, Italy and Spain.

When the crunch came, tourism collapsed, property developments went bust,

and all those dreams of a place in the sun went up in smoke.

Now you sit on some desolate beach, wiped out and totally fucked.

and you keep asking...

where did it all go wrong ?




Fri, 01/31/2014 - 14:04 | 4388584 Watson
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This is simple:

1. Merkel was re-elected;

2. Whatever we may think, Merkel really believes in all this EU-nonsense; so

3. Merkel will arrange that her taxpayers pay for any Greek bills.

So if you are looking for Greece to be the first EU-dominio, think again.

Personally, for various reasons, I would look to Italy...


Fri, 01/31/2014 - 15:35 | 4388917 Joebloinvestor
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There isn't even enough left for a "bail in".

How long has this train wreck been in motion?

The only way Europe will experience a "recovery" is when they bite the bullet and get rid of the deadbeats (including France).

What will be left is Germany and everyone else. 

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 18:07 | 4389548 epwpixieq-1
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"when a nation is enslaved and has no sovereignty, it doesn't deserve to have a voice in its future" - Well, but at least they had a lot of saying, or I sell say buying, in the past, when they were getting money and enjoy lavish live stile for a southern, non industrial, economy. Now it is a pay day. Although, even now, most of the Greeks, have at least 300% more income ( due to the credit system of course ) that any of the other countries in the region. So when they are represented as slaves, it is unfair ( to the salves, I would clarify ), for the Greeks are more like a drunk person who has had massive drinking problem, and now, due to withholding of more alcohol from the owner of the place, has to get sober and pay the bill.

Sounds familiar? If not, it will soon be, but in quite another form.

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