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Europe Is Set To Mandate "Remote Stopping Device" In All Cars For Police Use
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Well this sounds like one of the worst ideas I have heard of in a long time. Naturally, it would emerge from the EU, the sorriest excuse for a fake government the world has ever seen.
While I have reported previously on regulatory efforts to put all sorts of invasive mandatory devices in U.S. automobiles (from October of last year Big Brother is Coming to Your Car), this idea from the EU take things to a whole other level of insanity.
From the BBC:
A device that would enable police to stop vehicles remotely is being considered by an EU-wide official working group, it has emerged.
The feasibility of such technology is being examined by members of the European Network of Law Enforcement Technology Services (Enlets).
The technology could impact on both road safety and civil liberties.
Civil liberties? What are those?
The BBC understands it would take several years for any such technical proposal to be drafted.
One EU document, from 4 December, sets out the Enlets 2014-20 work programme as including: “Remote Stopping Vehicles”.
It says “this project will work on a technological solution that can be a ‘build in standard’ for all cars that enter the European market”.
It is not clear what cost implications that would have for car makers.
No, but the implications for the peasant class are crystal clear.
The work of Enlets is little known and has emerged in part through documents published by the civil liberties campaign group Statewatch.
These people are out of control.
Full article here.
[ZH: Perhaps this utter insanity would be more palatable with a different marketing angle? At least we can have a laugh as the encroachment on personal privacy and civil liberties continues unabated]
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Came here for the ass.
Stayed for the train wreck.
they coulda used that instead on Hastings and saved them the trouble of blowin' him up
The law will be repealed as soon as the cops stop a politician in his car.
Uh, no. Politicians will be able to purchase cars without such devices.
Can I hack the device and stop cars on a lonely stretch of road to rob the passengers? This should be fun...
Yeah, I'm wondering how this thing will work. Will they point something at the car like a TV remote control? Or will it be computerised and work off the number plate? i.e. Can I have a reflective car so the signal bounces off and stops the police car or can I just put false plates on my car and some other poor sucker's car stops?
If I change my name to J Corzine, J Dimon or M Carney will the signal be ignored and my car continue on its way?
And yet the masses continue to obey.
So long as they do, why should the overlords give a shit?
Next up: a remote-controlled device that the police can use to halt the blood flow to your brain through your neck arteries. As seen in the movie Escape From New York. You thought that plot element was fiction?
These people are out of control.
Sadly, it's the other way around.
THIS CAPABILITY HAS BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS YOU MOOKS!
IT'S CALLED ON-STAR!
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2009/07/gm-adds-remote-kill-switch-to-onstar...
But that's some really nice booty there Tylers!
Not long from now all cars will be computer controlled so this is an inevitability. Lots of higher end cars are already (theoretically) hackable.
Shades of minority report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrxyr1CjiSM&t=30
Came to ZH for financial news today.
Got sidetracked by DAT ASS.
Too bad it's photoshopped.
Ya, so......my eyes don't care
I brake for that...
To the two assholes who junked me, want proof? Here you go:
http://cdn.brosome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Hot-Girls-in-Tight-Pan...
I'd take either one home with me.
Hell, I'd stop my car to see either one.
If the E.U. wants to do this on the cheap, all they need to do is to hire some girls that look like that.
Cars are already computer controlled. Just not remotely. If they add hackable honeypot targets onto cars like this, well...the results will be interesting. After the first high profile hacks, new car sales will plummet.
I was also going to point out On-Star and all those other nifty conveniences the car companies offer, for a fee no less, those douche bags. And the numb nuts who buy that shit. Crazy. But I have a new VW from 2012 that I bet has the data trackers on my driving and most likely has an override if not a direct utility to remote start or remote stop the engine should the "authorities" decide.
I really should dig into the engine and electronics to see if those kinds of devices are indeed in my car. Need a few more skills and a few more tools.
Well, I'd be looking for a low-mileage Faraday Cagemobile.
This was as inevitable as gun confiscation.
Slavery to solve youth unemployment? Didn't they try that in ancient times?
Well, hell, the planet could probably do with some more pyramids! Make work, bitchez!
Microwave your licence plate renewal sticker to destroy any embedded RFID tag. I do it every time. I can't hurt.
Does it heat up in the mic? Given the small size, you might have to boil it. I don't think there's anything in those little stickers yet. I've heard plans to scrap them for something new.
No there is nothing in the stickers. New York state has the chip embedded in the plate itself. You can't do anything to really prevent them from accessing it as it's powered by remote signal. As in they point the scanner at the plate and the scanner's emissions are what powers the plates.
Not really easy to block the chip itself.
The sticker does spark when you put it in the microwave. That doesn't necessarily mean there's a chip in it. It does have reflective properties so that may be where the spark comes from? New York embeds it in the plate itself? Interesting. Need to think on that one a litte bit. There must be a reasonable way to smoke it. Bake it in the oven at 400F?
Just put the license plates in this or put this over the license plates. You'll be clean. ;-)
Damn, I have NYS plates too.
http://www.rpi-polymath.com/ducttape/RFIDWallet.php
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Arfid%20protection
large magnet?
If it's the only thing in the mic, that's like running it empty and will damage the mic if on too long. If it's metallic that could cause sparks especially if it's less than an inch from an oven surface.
http://www.ehow.com/how_12110078_kill-bed-bugs-electronics.html
Edit: There are ways to cook with metal in mics safely, but I've not tried. The thing with putting small things in is that they can end up in a cold zone and never get zapped, but you can put them on a rotating device so they do.
Just snip the antenna. I used a hole punch on my credit card.
The plate itself is the antennae.
Hi PT - probably a satellite-based system that is linked through your car's GPS navigation system.
Oh, and once you're stopped your cell phone won't work either, so no videoing the gestapo thugs as they stomp your ass.
And if you do foolishly give the boyz in black any shit and happen to have a pacemaker - well, you know the rest.
Really old cars with a mechanical distributor and zero transmit/receive electronics ( except a radio) will be at a premium - until they are taken off the roads for safety reasons.
I used to have a 1973 Mercedes Benz diesel. Once it was running, it's operation was 100% mechanical. I miss that car.
Close.
A word to the wise: The electrical solenoid that allows fuel to the injection pump is suseptable to E.M.P. (along with the alternating current generator, 12v storage battery, all the electrical guages, and assorted other devices that you don't think about normally that rely on copper windings and induction).
I am building a tinfoil hat for my Cummins 359 diesel now.
You can be sure the criminals will figure out a way around it, while the public gets it up the ass. Like gun control, only the intended targets (criminals), and the corporation known better as, the US of A, get to have the guns.
Yeah, I'm wondering how this thing will work. Will they point something at the car like a TV remote control? Or will it be computerised and work off the number plate? i.e. Can I have a reflective car so the signal bounces off and stops the police car or can I just put false plates on my car and some other poor sucker's car stops?
This device can EASILY be defeated, there have been licence covers that block the letters/numbers for year, same tech could do it to special guns.Readble with naked eye, but not scannable, and can beset to be of totally.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=hacking+car+computers&form=MSNH14&refig=2c1...
Even the earlier OBDII cars can be remotely controlled to some extent, but with the advent of the Combined Area Network and 'fly-by-wire' engine control and braking and steering systems, this task is quite easily accomplished remotely. Any (ANY!) vehicle with ANY form of two-way communication (they ALL heve a version of 'On-Star' now) is quite unsafe in this regard. EACH INDIVIDUAL car has its' own identifying number and unique transmitter. Tracking the automobile after it has been stolen (using OnStar) and shutting off ignition and fuel systems has been in existence since, well, about 2009. Information regarding this:
All OnStar equipped vehicles have Stolen Vehicle Tracking, which can provide the police with the vehicle's exact location, speed and direction of movement.
Starting in the 2009 model year, General Motors began equipping some new vehicles with Stolen Vehicle Slowdown. This feature allows OnStar to remotely slow down the stolen vehicle. The service is also expected to help reduce the risk of property damage, serious injuries or fatalities resulting from high-speed pursuits of stolen vehicles. Customers may opt out of that function.[3] The first successful use of this service occurred in October 2009 when a stolen Chevrolet Tahoe was recovered and its suspected thief was apprehended.[4]
Also in 2009, General Motors began equipping some new vehicles with Remote Ignition Block, allowing OnStar to remotely deactivate the ignition so when the stolen vehicle is shut off, it cannot be restarted.[5]
The tecnology needed to diagnose computers on wheels requires that the interfacing device be capable of taking command of each individual component within the entire vehicle in order to troubleshoot and repair issues which are present. I do this routinely, every day.
Don't tell me, let me guess. You are one of those people who simply puts gas in the car and drives it...you're not BLONDE, by chance?
The police state would never be in possession of such technology if the engineers who designed it had a conscience and a knowledge of history. The dumbass in the cubicle writing the software to do this thinks he's fighting terrorism or crime when what he's really doing is assisting in enslaving humanity.
As a person with a lot of friends in that community I have done my best to wake them up to what is going on around them. I have been moderately successful. They are aware something is going on, but they still are dealing with a large influential progressive cult mentality that makes up most of the entertainment and management industry.
Basically you have to cut through the amount of bullshit and propaganda that they are exposed to on a daily basis to make them understand what personal responsibility actually means.
I can tell you from experience the managerial staffers are the most ardent and fervent fanatics to the progressive cause. Those people tend to be the only real true believers of their own bullshit. It's sort of scary the positions that some of those people have with some of the ridiculous lunacy they tend to believe. The Middle Management types are the worst for buying into the statist dream of living wealthy off everyone's expense. Those are the guys I have noticed that tend to live in a fantasyland of their own delusional making. Some of them are out right frightening what they believe is real and how they think things actually work...
Agree with you, NS. I'm an engineer my self and interact with other engineers on a daily basis. It's amazing how many apparently intelegent people have their heads buried so deep in the sand. I once made a comment at the water cooler that sandal-wearing goat hearders don't keep me up at night. I'm more worried about the guys in the 3 piece suits in Washington and Wall Street. I got looks like I just insulted their mothers. I love being the "fringe whacko" at the office though. F em'
Nothing amazing about any of this. Look at history again & again and you will see it repeated. Ever wondered how Caligula got away with the things he did in Rome. Was it really him, or the people around him, who were able gain the most from such a corrupted state?
you'll be on the short list on next round of outsourcing.. regardless if what you do can't be replaced.. they just circlejerk themselves in their presentations anyway
I could not agree with you more. As deviant as the overlords are, the most sinister are the helpers who provide all of the tools to enable the collapse. I want to find each and every one of them so I can skin each one alive and watch them suffer the anguish of the billions their actions are tormenting.
Evil evil mother fuckers, these enablers. And we should be ostracizing them for making such shitty decisions / choices.
you really feel like going to that armpit called India? I think the best thing for the world would be for China to carpet clean that infested country
Although I believe I understand what you're getting at, you can't just blame someone else for the evil that is present in every culture / civilization. Much of the dirty work is provided by willing locals.
Ummm....
## Forced in
Like cattle you run
Stripped of
Your life's worth ... ##
The song was about something else.
But so many times, those particular words reverberate through my brain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myP9VX_WMHY
Yes. Anything sold on the road...cop car...tank...porche...those fancy over priced mini vans. Every last one of them all have an on board ECU that can be accessed with blue tooth (yeah, blue tooth is in everything) and a cellphone with a terminal emulator. Connect 7e2 (sometimes 8n1) 19200baud with the terminal, type ? at the prompt and have fun. You can turn on blinkers, brakes or fuck the engine by forcing all the spark plugs to fire at the same time by changing the timing and seize the engine. Doesn't take much with the eco/vtec/hemi engines (anything after 2004) most everything is run through the onboard ECU.
Or if they aren't looking too hard and you just don't want the car going too far. Coathanger in the grill sticking in and a belt eventually catches the coat hanger and the coat hanger becomes a V4/6/8/12 powered dremel bit in the main engine block. There are plenty of ways to mess with a car so it stalls out and becomes a lawn ornament.
The next form of Highway robbery, hack the vehicle and demand a fee to allow it to proceed, done every day with computers, nothing new here, next bullshit idea........
I'd long electronic devices that emit a strong enough EMP at short distance, to "Stop the Cop". ;-)
p.s. What do you get when you cross an Onion with a Donkey?
....
....
.... You get an Ass that makes your eyes water.
"They say a mule is stubborn, man, but don't you be a fool,
Don't ever let a donkey sneak up on your mule...."
-- James Cotton, "The Mule"
...as american statists and bureaucrats furiously rub one out.
Easier shot for the drones
How long will it take the Chinese to produce a device that will defeat remote controlled operation operation of the engine and brakes? Hint: They already do!
Short EFI long carbs?
Definitely a great ass.
When GM put this capability into on-star, the 'net was instantly flooded with info pages on how to disable it. Of course, you lose onstar in the process...if you care. They were ever so slightly tricky - it takes two fuse removals in most GM cars...notj ust one obvious one. Will the EU do better?
Dyke the antenna wires?
LoL! Thanks for the coffee all over the computer.
Ten bucks says, when she takes those off, there's an indelible stain...
Who cares, not sure I know anyone that rams it home on some random before making her shower first. I know I don't, I make the bitch shower first.
You can shower them all you like Nid but what keeps me in business is not removed by a shower. At least she'll smell ok but she's certainly not "clean". It certainly amazes me how much men profess to love their penises and then take such risks with it. GC is getting so resistant now it will soon be untreatable and it tends to wander to joints when left untreated. This is not the time to be banging randoms without a condom IMHO. But to each his own.
Miffed;-)
You missed my point, and obviously the joke...
Franky Like. I see a new place to Park my Car.
Already a done deal here, cops can just fire a portable EMP into the direction of any newer vehicle and FRY the systems.
As for the ASS, anyone saying she in't inviting a RAPE is insane.These wopmen kill me, when they dress like this and bitch when men stare or make remarks.
So, do you think NFL players are "inviting rape" too? At any rate, hope things are going well for you in Kuwait.
Came here for the ass.
stayed to stare at the zipper
One more reason to keep that old Honda or Olds running, older the better and hang the cost.
Road Warrior! You can run, but you cannot hide!
I need to eat a plum now. Must bite...
And here I thought I was the ony one who noticed that ass....
This news is at least 3 days "new" and this bum rated milf
has been for ten years running to no avail.
I have a sudden urge to encroach on her personal privacy and civil liberties.
Tongue punch her fart box
Thanks knuk, if ever there was a time for that saying!
pods
Thanks for the hearty laugh K.
Mrs dough now thinks I'm crazy(or crazier than usual).
Maybe it's time for bareback riding?
I'm talking about replacing the EU car with a horse, of course. ;-) ;-)
Back doors by GCHQ.
Welcome to the new EUSSR fascism.
Unfortunately, companies who make drones are sure to be more concerned about this than the general public: "Hey, that's what *our* products are for...!"
So GPS is not enough right? I keep saying people can't tell where the virtual worlds work and leave off wiht the real world, perfect example here. Somebody writes some code, then they justify it with some studies, next thing you know it shows up.
These folks over there have bought in hook line and sinker and every stick of code and devices that it attaches to does not have value or ethics for that matter. We are way over sold. I just read an article the other day that the new Penatgon Stealth jet can't fly, bugs in the code..I would hope this has some priority when it comes to what our Department of Defense chooses to use to defend the US. I bring this up as to what happens let's say if this passes and this code has bugs? Oh yeah...shoot it could execute an algorithm that could do all kinds of other little neat things...kill switches on markets are on thing but that's the virtual world if you will as it's software but now you are talking about stopping a rather powerful tangible we all use..pretty scary.
I said the movie "HER" is almost here as there folks at least halfway there now with not being able to sort our the real world and the virtual worlds. How far does justificaiton and duping as well as control get to go...as far as the coders want it ot as long as someone is buying.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/01/movie-her-good-example-on-how-fol...
Europe to mandate a new tool to help tech-savvy rapists....
Or to turn geeks into rapists.
woo hoo doo do dee doo dooo. purple ass gives Barney wood!
as HE turns around..... But wait, these cars might "fly out of control and hit a bus load of "chilin" or crash into the baby ward of a hospital...oh the humanity so this will not stand" said the statist in the beer delivering drone thread.
Oh no, the cops will probably stop vehicles at random times without any reason - a decade from now, when they maybe, possibly, might have the capability! Oy vey, this is worse than the holocaust!
Zerohedge can be hilarious, but this takes the cake. LMAO.
Hey look, he up voted himself.
The douchebags almost always do --- and immediately, which makes it even more obvious (and even more of a hoot).
Just wait until until a government installs the internal Taser.
and the cocknocker, a fist that punches you in the balls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMByDfFMPcE
( Yes, don't panic. It's from The Onion Movie. )
They can do this in the US already, with the human brain. Its called Facebook.
Stop the world, I have a tweet!
Conquer the world, one tweet at a time.
I imagine 'tweeters' thinking like this.
We do it already in Atlanta when something called snow falls from the sky.
But this is a computerised remote car - stopper. It shall be called, ... Windows 8!
And they'll name this device something that sounds helpful and beneficial, something like, oh I don't know, maybe "Onstar?"
Yes. Onstar has already been used for the purpose of
law enforcement.
The General Motors’ subscription-based service, which is often used to alert first responders to accidents or even let family members see where the car is driving, has the ability to shut down OnStar-enabled vehicles. This is just what was done to Brandon Holme’s car that was stolen from a West Dundee gas station and taken on a 40-mile, high-speed chase, according to Chicago’s CBS Local.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/18/cant-just-shut-it-off-anywher...
True, but see my comment above. If you don't like onstar - you can disable it by pulling a couple of fuses. Info all over the 'net on how - depends a little on the model, but pull two fuses, and it's toast.
I have a 1992 Toyota Corolla and will probably have it for 20 more years.
They'll only be able to stop people with money enough to drive in new cars.
Other than Bankers do criminals drive new cars?
So in the future if you have an old vehicle that can not be technologically "hijacked" that will put you on the "terrorist" list.
Sorry guys, but you won't like the cure for this trend. It is called civilizational collapse accompanied by malthusian knock-off effects.
The only way to shake these parasites is to set yourself and the village on fire.
Bankers often have vintage classics for weekend use, Bankers' Bitchez, not so much, they tend to prefer the latest model iCrapMobile.
If you got distracted -> http://www.girlsinyogapants.com/ yep, it's real.
Gonna have to bookmark this... Gonna tell my wife I need some "alone" time...
"I'll be in my bunk."
Sabibaby - that link is badly infected. But perhaps you already knew that.
Tylers - dump that post and ban the poster ASAP.
Yeah buddy... good luck getting me banned. Maybe get rid of you instead :)
Three people are stupid enough to believe your fear mongering you americanspirit peace of shit.
If it comes with the girl in the picture-I will take it...actually - will take two.................
Does this fascism make my ass look big?
Doggonit, the beefstew I was having for lunch will now have to be cleaned off my monitor...
Thanks nmewn!!, ya jackass. ;-)
DaddyO
;-)
Wait so every company that sells cars in Europe will have to do this? What is stopping them from putting it on cars sold in America and just not telling anyone.
And what if this technology is not so 100% perfect and just does a stop all by itself with the car in the fast lane of the unlimited speed autobahn?
Its for your own good... right?
No, it's for the children.
National security!
(Which, of course, ALWAYS means "government security".)
I knew somebody would think of the children.
"If it saves one child in a carseat left on the car roof while pulling out of a Walmart store, it will be worth it."
Or someting like that.
This will be great for hackers who also are stalkers and rapists.
The Highwayman Returns...
Starring Alec Baldwin
How about hackers who want to disable an entire city's law enforcement response for a brief window in order to do something productive? Complex systems can be a bitch when you're dependent on them.
Next step; they'll speed up your car on distance and give you a speeding ticket.
Do you know the best thing about claw hammers? Hidden up a sleeve of a loose fitting jumper, or such like, they become very hidden. When the boiling point is reached, they can easily be deployed straight into the palm of your hand, practice makes perfect mind.
And when one of these fucking government nazis gives out another blatantly fucking stupid 'Law', smack the cunt round the mouth with it.
At the very least it will shut the fucking little hitler up for a few days.
If you know what I mean. We are ruled by incompetant, imbecilic peodophiles. Period. Lets give these cunts a touch of common sense.
:-)
You can see how Charybdis and Scylla work hand in hand in this crazy world.
What the EU does to regulate STATE CONTROL over the individual the CORPORATE face of USA does the same to DESTROY its own creation's : THE FREE INTERNET
2014: The Year America Broke The Internet - Business Insider
We really are on this ancient Odyssey, where State Totalitarian knee jerks (Charybdis) vie with the Oliarchy's hubris to run the world on its own private corporate terms (Scylla).
Quite frankly, Scylla NSA and Google Internet take over is moar scary than these Charybdis itsy-bitsy-shitsy Eurocratic crap brake-pedals-up-your-ass frustratingly irritating deals.
Two words: car kit
you mean that in addition to the screen that blocks my plate from the traffic cam i now have to hire a techie to circumvent this device... ok all you hackers out there.... you figure out how to disable politicians cars .... or better yet...stop and lock doors and windows and turn heat up to 225 degrees....or max speed 15 mph and only in reverse.... jolly good show
Same as the traffic cameras....and all the "security" cameras installed around London 10+ years ago.
Everyone Stateside laughed. Anyone laughing here now?
So, you can count on this being the rule for all new cars sold here and probably made into a law to retrofit older cars...
That ass would stop anybody
Who can possibly read the name of the company?
Just put a Faraday Cage around any little black box on your car that receives exterior signals. Visit your local hardware store for some wire mesh.
I'd rather put the politicians responsible for all this Orwellian police state madness in a faraway cage.
I would like to strike them about the head and neck first. Then move on to tittie-twisters, foreskin tweezing, and finallly ballsack boxing.
"Here are some seeds and a few months worth of food. Do not leave the cage, and be sure to put on a show for the spectators every once in a while. Good luck!"
Put the fuckers in a zoo. It would be one of the most demeaning things possible for somebody who is used to ruling. Let them have no power and put them on display.
Just make sure that they are in open cages with catwalks above them, so that the public can freely and liberally piss on their heads while claiming "according to the BLS, that golden shower you are experiencing is just rain. Furthermore, it is for your own good".
Coincidentally, there is a push for a "kill switch" for cell phones, too:
http://www.today.com/money/push-get-kill-switch-smartphones-2D11897060
I might almost support that one --- as long as they apply it universally and at all times.
Is it just me or does anyone else think the more crazier these fuckers get the higher the number of people start to wake up?
Oh, it's you,
Long 'remote stopping device' removal business...
Between that and my tat removel abusiness, I'm gonna roll.
"... The BBC understands it would take several years for any such technical proposal to be drafted...."
Europe is notorious for planning everything and executing little or nothing.
Now onto something more important - that purple set of tear drop shaped cheeks.....time for a spanking or what?????!!!!!
Turn that around and there's probably camel toe beyond belief!!!!!
When are we going to put some "rules" on what governments are allowed to do?
Oh yeah, constitution(s)...
I forgot, governments don't obey the laws. Why should we...?
Hahahahahaha, fuckers. The computer in my vehicle is a very simplistic and difficult to tamper with 1992 OBD1 and I have a manual transmission. You'll not be fucking with the operation of it by the push of a button. I'm going to drive the fucker into the ground, should gasoline be avaliable long enough for me to do so.
The 'remote stopping device' should be an manditory implant for all central banksters.
Buttastic. O-O
What's this post about again?
Well so much for Frau Merkel's anger over the NSA's snooping on her cell phone?...
Per Ed Snowden's latest interview.
Based on his comment(s) I'm pretty sure Germany ain't going to be one of his permanent or vacation destinations now or in the future?
Thanks for the link, Nemo!
I think this is the front side view.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56214806@N05/5229457573