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How Cronyism And Corruption Brought Down Detroit

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Detroit U.S.A.: Once the most prosperous city in America. With a booming manufacturing sector and cultural magnetism, the city had bright horizons after World War II. But as the 1960?s rolled in, the marriage of Big Business and Big Government overtook Detroit. The central planners in government needed the powerful corporations, and the powerful corporations came to depend on the bureaucracy, too. The marriage worked well for the politicians and for their corporate cronies, but Detroit itself entered a decades-long decline. America watched as Detroit slowly bled people, jobs and revenue. Politicians tried spending money. They tried raising taxes. The more they taxed and spent, the faster the city declined.

 

Detroit still had its "Big Three" auto manufacturers, until two of its crown jewels, General Motors and Chrysler, imploded in 2008 under the weight of reckless and subsidized mismanagement.

Instead of allowing market forces to rebuild Detroit and the auto industry, the United States handed billions of dollars to General Motors and Chrysler.

Five years later, the city of Detroit is bankrupt and almost $20 billion dollars in debt. Meanwhile, General Motors has a cash balance of over $20 billion, still owes the taxpayers over $10 billion dollars that outgoing CEO Dan Akerson said will not be paid, and the company continues to benefit from an unprecedented $18 billion tax gift from the bankruptcy.

Why is General Motors walking away with billions while Detroit dies?

How did so much money change hands between the world's most powerful corporate leaders and government officials while delivering on so little of the promise sold to America by central planners? Bankrupt: How Cronyism & Corruption Took Down Detroit answers this question, and many others.

Complete with the candid analysis of pundits, journalists, analysts and government officials, sourcing of historical news and government archives, and on-scene interviews with everyday Detroiters, Bankrupt sheds light on what happened to Detroit, and who is to blame.

 

And most importantly, it asks "What is next for the Motor City?"

 


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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Rakshas
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Apres moi, le deluge

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 16:58 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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Another city ruined by Lib Socialist Democrats.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:11 | Link to Comment N2OJoe
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Ha, you call that ruin? I see your Detroit and raise you Camden and Newark!

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:51 | Link to Comment lotsoffun
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trenton and phillie are real gems also.

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:14 | Link to Comment ultimate warrior
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Black people did it?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:01 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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How the hell did you get 7 downs?  Actually how the fuck did you get a single down?  Jesus, why is everyone, in the Land Of The Free, so afraid to state the blindingly obvious?  All the bankrupt turd world cities and neighborhoods in the US are black.  And yeah, it's someone else's fault. 

 

FFS!

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:06 | Link to Comment PT
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Did the black people close down all the factories and ship the jobs elsewhere?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 08:08 | Link to Comment Miles Ahead
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Actually yes.  Bill Clinton, the first Black President, shipped all those jobs south of the border by getting NAFTA through which our White President Ronald Raygun never could have pulled off. 

So yes.  The first Black Prez started it, then we've had some respite, and now the second (and hopefully last) Black Prez will finish things off with TPP or whateve that is.  Stop complaining and suck it up (as he said).

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Loucleve
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It all really started downhill with the first black mayor. he was militant, anti-white, and succeeded in driving wihites out of detroit.   there is a lot of "history" here, and its mostly based on racial animus.

so maybe blackw didnt ship the jobs overseas, but they certainly had a lot to do with the destruction of the city.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:05 | Link to Comment PT
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Thanks for your reply.  Perhaps I have more to learn.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:11 | Link to Comment PT
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Oh, that's right.  If only the black people had been willing to work eighteen hours per day and live under a bridge, the jobs never would have left Detroit and they'd still be working today.  Gee, how could I forget?

 

 

 

 

 

What's that saying again?  A bad carpenter always blames his tools?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 06:39 | Link to Comment PowerPlayer
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PT, you obviously aren't from Michigan.  Go look up the Detroit race riots and you will see why all the white people fled the city.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:34 | Link to Comment PT
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Thanks for the input, PP.  You are correct.  In this case I don't know all the details.  The arguments others are putting out don't quite make sense to me so I call them out on it, but the truth is that I do not know so their must be finer details that I don't know about.  Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 08:13 | Link to Comment Miles Ahead
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What, are they special?  If the Brown people south of the border (just barely south of) can do it (and btw, it's 19 hours) and live under the bridges, why can't Blacks?  Sure, it's warmer in Juarez and them other towns, but apparently warmth wasn't appreciated in the good ol' days of the South where ol' times there are not forgotten and all the work plentiful.  It's always something; freedom, jobs,... ain't no pleasin' some folks...

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:27 | Link to Comment greatbeard
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>> ruined by Lib Socialist Democrats.

Detroit is simply the unfortunate victim of the natural progression of capitalism.  The jobs simply moved overseas.  Your tying it to the red/blue dichotomy is simply non-sense fed to the simple minded.  You were served a double helping.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:03 | Link to Comment augustusgloop
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Scratch oversees. Mexico is now the 2nd biggest importer of cars to US (after Canada). Nissan, Honda, GM, VW, Audi, and possibly soon BMW will have plants in the Bajio region (Guanajuato, SL Potosi, Aguascaliente, Queretaro)---wages are about $3 USD an hour. Engineers are in from Japan, Germany, US, ETC. This is the Supercluster of industry that the politicians were trying to save in the rust belt. All within a day's train freight from Laredo, TX.

Queretaro is the fastest growing large city in the Americas.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Panem et Circus
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Sorry bud, that's not capitalism. That's fascism.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:06 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Another ZH bout of idiocy.  Capitalism seeks the lowliest overall cost of production.  Period. 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:19 | Link to Comment nmewn
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And communism seeks complete control of any & all means of production.

So the winner is, the soft bigotry of the connected via lowered expectations of us all...ie crony socialism.

Lovely.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment SDShack
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Technically, that is not accurate. Fascism is the complete control of all means of production by the state. In THEORY, Communism as outlined by Marx had the workers take over all means of production. But you are correct in REALITY. The reality that is Communisim is really Leninism, Stalinism, or Maoism and all are just another form of fascism. The Workers Party (Communists) took over all means of production, but since the govt was only composed of a single party...the Workers Party or Communists, it is just another Fascist state. Technically it is just splitting hairs, but being precise in language and history makes it easier to persuade the low information sheep when they are ready to listen. IMO Stalinism is a better term to use than Communism because it is more accurate concerning how communism was actually practised... essentially the same as Nazi Fascism. What we have now is a nexus of crony capitalism and socialism.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:45 | Link to Comment philipat
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Yes, Globalization has been great for the Corporatocracy and its political operatives in the NWO. So far. But the strategy of offshoring and record margins is now stalling because firstly, record margins are fine but there has to be a consumer with resources to buy (Especially in an economy which comprises 70% consumption) and secondly because, therefore record percentage margins mean nothing with no sales line. It is  also a natural consequence of Globalization that incomes in the developed world will decline and those in the emerging world will increase until a new poibt of equilibrium is reached somewhere in the middle. That process is now well underway.

I never thought I would hear myself saying this but the best interests of the average American would be served by a large dose of protectionism. Which is, of course, why it will not happen.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:23 | Link to Comment PT
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Welcome to the party, albeit a little late.  It's simple really.  If you helped build something then you really should have some kind of a share in the production.  When Chinamen or Mexicans build something but can't afford to buy it, they are being shafted.  It's not just the rich US consumer who loses his job.  We could have had Chinese factories building cars for the Chinese, US factories building cars for the US, Mexican factories building cars for Mexicans ... but it was more profitable to have the cheap workers in one country and hope that the rest of the world would supply rich customers in a different country.

Like I said before, the US worker in crushed between US real estate prices and foreign labour prices.  TPTB have alot of "wealth" simply "buried in the ground" and want to keep those real estate prices high.  But they don't want to supply the wealthy workers that keep those prices high ... 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 20:31 | Link to Comment surf0766
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It is not red/blue. It is progressive/communist /socialist against everyone who is left.

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 04:06 | Link to Comment philipat
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"Progressive" is such an arrogant term in the political context. It derives from the word "Progress" and thus assumes that the term means "Progress" results from the policies of "The Progressives". As in the world of Tax policy, IMHO, "Regressive" is a better way of describing the policies implicit. Isn't 5 years of failure enough? Of course, it is in terms of the latest opinion polls.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Pickleton
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" Isn't 5 years of failure enough?"

 

Your window is juuust a touch shy.  This country has been infected since the Teddy and Woodrow days.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Pickleton
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No clue why that posted twice.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Singelguy
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Detroit is simply the victim of crony capitalism. Fixed it for you.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:00 | Link to Comment The.Harmless.Who
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"Another city ruined by Lib Socialist Democrats."

 

If only it was that simple... 

 

If you blame Lib Socialist Democrats for the ruins, then you're saying what? That the answer is:

 

"intolerant Anti-social authoritarian"

 

Help me out here?  

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Oquities
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Ignorance votes for skin color, gender, false promises, good looks and height.  we elected a president mostly because he was black (tho he was truly mostly white.)  we will elect our next president because she is female (tho she is mostly male.)  detroit elected black leaders in opposition to white influence, and looked no deeper.  we need campaign reform to prevent this.  i propose a new reality show called "Soap Box," a competitive debate on a national stage so that we can find real thinkers/leaders.  in order to be president of the united states you should be natural born, over 35, and pass a psychological exam certifying you're not a sociopath.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:32 | Link to Comment The.Harmless.Who
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Oquities, 

 

Fair enough, I see where you're going with this, but I'll raise your "skin color" and "sex", and tell you that AIPAC and the Banking and Energy Lobbies are more powerful.  

 

A campaign - ANY campaign  will be hijacked by the lobbyists and these types don't care about race or sex.  

 

And whilst I applaud your selection criteria, it doesn't go a long way as to who decides what is acceptable and what isn't?  For this generation is far detached from the Founding Fathers' (slavery aside) visions.

 

 

p.s. I agree with you about Obama - He's a douche.... That guy is responsible for the deaths of many people with darker skin than him (so he can't play the race card!), and is equally responsible for the inequality we find in people of all races! 

 

But its not like the American people were given a choice.... I mean it was a choice between Obama and McCain!!!  and then... Obama and that Mormon chap whose name escapes me .... Christ on a Bike - is this what is left in America?  

 

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Oquities
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fair and true elections require ALL campaign money being provided by the government instead of by individuals, with networks and newspapers required to provide air time/column space on an equal basis.  this will eliminate PACs and lobbyists, which should all be illegal (yes, the SCOTUS is wrong about corps being people).

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 00:33 | Link to Comment effendi
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Doesn't work.

If one good candidate puts his hand up the other side can then put 10 candidates in the running. So does each one get equal airtime and column space? What if they get 10,000 dummy candidates running?

Here in Australia we have had elections where the ballot paper is referred to as a table cloth by the election officials. 200+ candidates can be running, including candidates who run as a joke (In England they even had a political party called the Monster Raving Looony Party).

And the government doen't pay for squat. The taxpayer does.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Pickleton
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No.  not really.  It could all be easily solved by 1 easy law.

If you do not posess the right to vote for the candidate according to existing law, you may not contribute ANYTHING to the candidate.

I as a Texan should have NO SAY in california politics PERIOD.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Pickleton
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why are all my replies posting twice?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 02:54 | Link to Comment Andre
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Actually, race and sex matter a lot. It's social teflon - or kevlar, depending.

If Obumble does something and people object, "It's because he's black, and we know blacks are oppressed". If Hillary does something wrong, it's OK because "She's a woman, and we know women are oppressed." Face it, Biden could not get away with most of the stuff BHO has pulled because some very LOUD minorities would swear it was oppression.

I would however like it to be clear that while some people think Hillary is at least human, I think it's clear she's a reptile. Not a reptilian, just a reptile.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:42 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Correction. Detroit is just society ruined by government.

 

"From history one learns that government, being a criminal syndicate, can only produce poverty, misery and death."

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:04 | Link to Comment TimmyB
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If liberal socialism is the cause, then one would expect that Germany would be a cess pool. Could someone please explain why much more liberal and more socialist places on Earth than Detroit have done so much better than Detroit, if liberal socialism, instead of some other cause, is what brought Detroit down?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:29 | Link to Comment MisterMousePotato
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Give it time. I saw a cartoon yesterday with a guy with a noose around his neck tied to a sapling, which he was watering.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 00:58 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Just as we now debate the reasons for the fall of the Roman Empire, I'm sure there will be endless theories and reasons as to why America is economically collapsing. We have to accept what's happening and to salvage the remainder, turn the people back to the nation we once were. Reestablishing our relationship with GOD leading to a fix of the moral foundation wouldn't hurt. 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 20:12 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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German companies have labor representatives on their corporate boards.  Labor is viewed as integral to a company's success.  And even though a German company may move it's low cost/low profit production to cheaper labor locales German companies keep high end production IN GERMANY.  

In contrast the US has seen a mindless focus on the cheapest possible labor costs - ignoring all other factors.  The US has shipped much of its manufacturing overseas - and brought in cheap labor (legally via H1B or illegally) when it could not relocate jobs.  

BOTH political parties in the US have been complicit in 'free trade' agreeements - with TPP bring the latest and most egregious.  

Meanwhile the masses are kept distracted with the left/right BS believeing there's some difference between Democrats and Republicans.  The Tea Party and OWS BOTH started out in protest to the BANKING SYSTEM and Wall Street - and both have been co-opted and turned off course.  NO REAL CHOICE will be allowed in US politics.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 10:20 | Link to Comment GCT
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Agree Cynical.  Those labor reps do indeed know when their labor needs to take cut though along with no minimum wage in Germany.  Germany had pay caps for several years and only allowed raises in labor last year.  American labor unions prefer to bankrupt companies.  Having lived and worked Germany and my wife working for a German company they do alot of things differently then the USA.  You want a manufacturing job you become an apprentice first.  You work up the ladder to become a skill manufacturing labor.  Americans would not tolerate it.  Take a look at the trades in the USA. 

One commenter comparing socialism in Germany to that of the USA is quite frankly a joke.  The USA does not have a true socialist mdel we instead have private companies making a profit off us taxpayers.  They lobby and write the laws and then get taxpayer money unless you exceed the poverty level.  This is a huge difference in my mind.  Most Americans if they never lived or worked in Europe would never tolerate their systems as it requires responsibility on the parents and for choices you make.  Their education systems are tough and they hold students to standards and parents accountable.  When we returned to the USA my two sons skipped a grade in the USA.  There is no fluff to hire more teachers they teach the basics and your required to take two years of English.  They do not teach feel good everyone is a winner classes you must earn your grade.  OH MY GOODNESS YOU MUST SPEAK THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE as they have a national language.  There is no german as a second language or french as a second language.  Basics are emphasized and homework is given out! 

You do not run to the emergency room because you do not want to schedule an appointment with your doctor!  You do not go where ever you like to see a specialist you must be referred to see them.  When comparing countries it helps to know what your talking about.  In America those that work help those that choose not to work dumping more money into a system to support private entitites or corporations.  While we chase the American Dream all but one of my German friends rented their place.  When renting you brought with you kitchen cabinets and appliances, Wardrobes as the place did not have closets.  Germany nurtured small business while we nurture large corporations eliminating jobs in the USA. 

What always boggles my mind is Americans think they have a real choice in who they vote for.  Candidate A or Candidate B is not a choice in Europe you have many choices.  Our two party system has eliminated choice.  I love the USA and I am not dissing home,  I just get tired of people trying to compare how well a European country using a socialist model is doing so well when the USA is using a fascist model.  Some need to know the difference.  I will not even begin to discuss what we as Americans take for granted would not happen at all in Europe.  I know most Americans would balk at just the thought of maybe owning one vehicle and it would be old and well maintained.  You see most of the vehicle on the road in the USA would never be allowed on the roads in Europe.  You must maintain them including the paint, no primer allowed to run on the roads. Vehicle inspection lasts a couple of hours.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Mudduckk
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Greece is to Germany as Detroit is to Bloomfield Hills. 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Promethus
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Timmy, see Ultimate Warrior and Rafferty posts above for answer.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Jannn
Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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@Rakshas: "Apres moi, le deluge"

"You're on your own." is what both built and ruined the country, when no other cohesive forces or values endure.

Ah, the weaknesses and foibles of human nature -- so easy to exploit by smart, organized predators.  And so easy to enhance with well-meaning, bureaucratic socialism.

A people with no Past, no Culture and no Vision or Organizational skills are doomed to slide down the food chain.  And those who have forgotten it are no better either.  Being declared "free" with legislation does not make it so, if the aforementioned attributes are lacking.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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     Should America Save Detroit?

A lifetime of education from America’s media elite, such as MSNBC, CNBC, NPR, PBS, the NYT, the Washington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN, have given me the foundation and principles that empower me to think for myself and thereby figure out why we can’t let Detroit go bankrupt.

Detroit is too big to fail.

Republicans are turning Detroit into a plantation.

Don't blame the victims of greedy capitalists.

“To attack Detroit is to attack black.”

Only racists would oppose a bail out.

We are all in this together.

It takes a village (a government).

We have to move forward.

Somebody has to be in charge.

There is a Constitutional mandate to promote the general welfare.

Government rightly has the power to implement any good idea.

When we're all on the same page, everyone benefits.

Everyone has a right to good healthcare.

Everyone has a right to a living wage.

Everyone has a right to good nutrition.

Just think of it as reparations for slavery.

Do it for the children.

Do it for Trayvon.

What if it were Obama's kids?

What if it were your kids?

If it helps just one child, no cost is too great.

In a free-market, who would save a dying child?

It would be bad if George Bush did it, but we can trust Obama.

Obama is The One.

Obama! Give us our orders!

Only racists distrust Obama.

Don’t let Republicans make a liar out of Obama.

The alternative is chaos.

The alternative is anarchy.

What would Jesus do?

After all, Jesus would be a Democrat.

Detroit has done everything right. It has been ruled by Democrats and unions for 51 years, and ruled by black mayors for 49 years. It even has the 3rd highest income tax of any city in America. Therefore, the problems of Detroit must be part of a vast right wing conspiracy. As an example, consider how the internet has allowed the spread of right wing hate speech from people like this guy. He says stuff like:

No man has a right to the fruits of another mans labor.

Government dependency is the new plantation.

When we’re all free to pursue our own interests, everyone benefits.

In a free-market, children wouldn’t be dying.

It takes a village – but not a government.

Nobody has to be in charge.

The legitimate purpose of government, is to minimize government.

Sooner or later, socialists run out of other people’s money.

Individualism made America great.

The world is the result of our individual choices.

America is the least racist country in the world.

The myth of Obama is busted.

Progressivism = Liberalism + Fascism

Progressivism violates the Soul of Humanity.

You can instantly become the person you want to be.

Freedom is the Promise of Reality.

Now can you see the problem? These are the ideas on which America was founded, and we all know that America was founded on slavery. Such right wing hate speech is what scared all of the white people into leaving Detroit. It is like something out of Atlas Shrugged, in which the most productive people in America left the system and formed their own society. Therefore, the solution must come from the federal government because, while it is easy to leave a city, it would be much harder for people to leave the country, and Obama’s DHS would stop them if they tried – and rightly so.

What about when it is no longer Obama’s DHS? I know it is hard to imagine how America could elect anyone who is not a Democrat ever again – but that is why we need global governance, so that wealthy individuals cannot escape their debt to their country and to the world.

As you can see, a lifetime of education from America’s media elite have given me the foundation and principles that empower me to think for myself.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:18 | Link to Comment 401K of Dooom
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You sound just like a resident of Ann Arbor, Michigan.  They have the same education and yet their city is better.  The secretis that they live in a physically separate locality than Detroit.  So they can mouth the same slogans and have a nice life. 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:33 | Link to Comment malek
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Just wait until the student debt bubble bursts...

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:56 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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Negative votes? Really? I thought it was funny, satirical and spot-on.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:46 | Link to Comment lotsoffun
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anybody ready to start (again) 'back to africa'?  i'd love to see most of the nfl and nba go back.  they need to - for their people.  and obama also.  even if he isn't born in kenya.  go back!  go east young man!  help the others.  be humanitarian!

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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"Why is General Motors walking away with billions while Detroit dies?"

Good thing this is only happening in Detroit.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:25 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:59 | Link to Comment algol_dog
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You can stick this video into a time capsule and title it "America at the turn of the 21st century". It will be the perfect dissertation on the fall of the west. R.I.P. U.S A.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Detroit is what happens when you replace the traditional family responsibilities with "it takes a village".

Do not laugh.

Your city is next. 

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:14 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Ridiculousness nonsense.  Divorce rates spiked in the 70s and are the highest in the South. 

Your prepared to do away with no-fault divorce laws and outlaw birth control because that is what it would take to do return to 'traditional family' units with low divorce rates. 

Can't say how much I generally despise social conservatives in the U.S. a whole.  For their ridiculous beliefs on evolution and the insistence the creationism should be taught in schools as science, to their position of trying to use state/federal gov't as a moral bully pulpit, and their generally intractable positions on a whole host of social positions regardless of what evidence shows.  

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Yeah sure......the rural south is worse than Detroit.....or ANY fucking inner city in the US for that matter.

 

Having seem FIRSTHAND what happens when you pay people to breed incessantly (even though abortion is READILY AVAILBLE) and "baby daddys" abound.......oh, BTW, if you get married you cannot collect welfare.

Gee.....what do you think will happen then?

You scumbag liberals won't ever admit the damage YOU caused, will you?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:03 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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...and absolutely nothing has changed.  Hey "Future Jim", pull your fucking head out.  The world is a plantation and there is absolutely no difference between those pulling the strings of the puppets in either party.

 

"What about when it is no longer Obama’s DHS?" - Hey moron, it was Bush's DHS at one point.

stupid sheep.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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There was never any Myth of Bush. There is only the Myth of Obama that is holding us back from addressing the fact that the leadership of both parties are working together against us.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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"There was never any Myth of Bush."

We're talking about the same 'Texas Rancher' who is afraid of horses, right?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 20:28 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Bush?  -  the patriotic guy who volunteered for the Texas Air National Guard (no strings pulled to get in right?) though UNLIKE many other ANG members made no attempt to volunteer to go to Vietnam - in fact he never finished his obligations (with records carefully scrubbed before getting into politics - and anyone who said otherwise 'taken care of' - see Dan Rather)

George W. Bush was a complete 'construct' - a spoiled mediocre scion of a Connecticut power family (with strong links to TPTB via the intelligence community) propped up in business despite repeated failures and run for political office behind a scripted image as a Texas rancher/oilman who never rode a horse and owned no cattle.  

Obama's image was just as carefully scripted  HIS familiy links to the CIA are equally scary.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:02 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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...brought down THE WORLD.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:04 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Oh my god what a bunch of crap. I gotta stop coming here. The wall street maggots, globalists, hedge fund maggots, grifters, et al destroyed Detroit and Michigan, and middle earth. Free market forces? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:05 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Th riots and consequent White flight doomed Detroit; the election of tribalistic Blacks built the mausoleum and finally, the outsourcing of manufacturing provided the capstone.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:13 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Emergency Ward
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His Honor Coleman Young, twenty years as mayor, 1974-1994.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Rising Sun
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unions, pensions and big government - the three necessary ingredients for large scale insolvency and misery

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, at least you got one out of three right.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:06 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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All three were complicit in the take down of Detroit.

Do you really see any difference between Detroit and Congo?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Yellowhoard
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Detroit was the biggest beneficiary of WWII.

We bombed the rest of the world's manufacturing base into rubble and then sold them our shit with money that we gave them.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Most of it second rate crap.Not like the world  had a choice at that point.

But they learned and rebuilt.Then they sent their better second rate

crap back across the pond to the US.

Detroit squandered its tempory advantages away ,and died.

RIP.

Just a shame it didn't happen sooner as a salutary example for

the rest of America.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:30 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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was it because the dollar was too weak or too strong? that's the part I always get hung up on.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Selah
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White people destroyed Detroit.

They destroyed it when they moved away from the ever increasing "diversity" and left it in the hands of a third world level population. They drained the swamp of water and left only the scum. That scum voted according to the color of their scum.

 

Portland and Seattle are pretty liberal. Why aren't they experiencing problems? There's plenty of corruption there, too.

I'm sure that if 2 million white liberals moved into Detroit, it would be one of the greatest cities in the world again. If not, it sure wouldn't be a hell-hole.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:24 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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would it matter if they were fucking black chicks? 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:04 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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Not sure about that. I am all for it!

Have to get LOTSA practicie though!

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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I'll sidestep you argument with a fact that I bet you didn't know:  When the City of Detroit no longer required cops to live in the City (near their Precincts), cops moved out to the 'burbs and crime moved in.  Ask anyone who's live through this.

I know "It's complicated", but this is part of Detroit's picture (and sub-culture).

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Selah
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Why did the cops move out to the 'burbs"?

I have always wanted a short commute to work, so I don't understand this. So, you're also saying that having cops live in an area will keep crime from showing up. Does crime know where the cops live? Or did the cops do off-duty patrols in their free time?

Since I am assuming that you have "lived through this", I am asking.

Why did the cops move out to the 'burbs"?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:06 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Same reason everyone else that could moved to the 'burbs: low taxes, good schools, less crime, fewer riots, less arson, etc.

Only the FSA stayed behind.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Selah
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How can you have low taxes and good schools at the same time?

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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You can have good schools because you don't have hordes of ghetto children causing chaos on a daily basis.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Selah
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But I've been told that you need lotsa money to have good schools.

I don't hear politicians saying that we need less thuglets in schools in order to achieve a high quality of education.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:34 | Link to Comment FredFlintstone
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Make school mandatory to 8th grade and then have a diploma after 10th grade. Have good trade schools. It you are not ready for college at 16 you never will be. Turn them loose at 14 or 16 to earn a living. Teach the 3 R's and eliminate most else. Reduce teaching credentials. You don't need a BA or masters to teach 3rd grade.

High school is stupid and all kids know this. It is basically a prison.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:27 | Link to Comment FredFlintstone
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It is easy. Where I live property taxes in the burbs are lower as is the cost/ pupil. I sent 4 kids to a private school for what the city school cost for 1 kid. My father in law retired in his early 50's from the public school racket. Still collecting 20 years later. Two homes, lives like he has a million bucks in the bank. Living off a government ponzi.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:19 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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They moved out because the white union heads couldn't stand competing and cooperating with the blacks who moved up during WW2 and right after the war.  Go look at where GM, Chrysler, and Ford built their plants after WW2.  Everyone of them was outside of the core Detroit urban core.  Part of it was due to cheap land and development space but race relations in the unions also played a big factor. 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Panem et Circus
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I don't know about the cops, but since college the only times I have moved have been to a place more rural than the last. If I was in Detroit, there probably wouldn't have been as many steps in between though.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:21 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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And it those places that are dying in America.  It gets a million thumbs down on here whenever you post it on here but go look at any rural county and their economic perspective and population statistics the past 30-40 years.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Surging Chaos
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Portland and Seattle have very homogenous populations when you compare them to other major US cities. That doesn't mean that minorities don't live in those cities (they definitely do), but the population isn't >70% black like in Detroit.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Selah
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Wouldn't >70% black be a very homogenous population?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Yes it would, but at the wrong end of the IQ bell curve.

I pretty sure if you moved all the ghetto blasters from Detroit, Camden, Atlanta, Huston, Dallas, New Orleans, Chicago and the denziens of South Florida up to Portland and Seattle those cities would be unlivable within 5 years.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:04 | Link to Comment darteaus
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This is good stuff!

Word of advice: use the "/s" tag next time so everyone will know you're joking.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Selah
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White Flight is not a joke.

It destroys cities.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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No, the influx of white oppressed people of color, whether native born or from the third world, is what destroys cities.

The reason whites flee is because they want to get away from the crime and the soon to discover, hate whitey politics of the white oppressed people of color.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Selah
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But if the Whites did not flee and instead maintained civilization, the cities would not be destroyed.

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Ya mean like in the movie Death Wish?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:18 | Link to Comment FredFlintstone
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Bussing.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 20:22 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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So, you aren't saying white people destroyed it....you are saying black people destroyed it....but, if you had more white people it would have a 'dilution' effect where the problems wouldn't be so noticable....

haha. love your insight as you are 100% correct.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Look at all those down votes.

 

Truly, there is no hope.  Deluded fantasists rule.  I'm off to bed.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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I used to feel like I wanted to vomit every time I heard or read the word "racist". Now I'm wholly innured to it.

Fuck any and all that use the word. It's designed to gag the truth.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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+1 Gringo. The word got tossed out of my dictionary long ago. Talk about a word that does absolutely nothing productive while inciting a whole lot of shit. And a shitload of other -isms and -ists do that too.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:24 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Da Plan Da Plan. Sweep it under the rug. Must carry out the mission- Yes we can Slogan and Provide Hope to the very many want to beleive in the so called HOPE. Not a chance eh, 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:38 | Link to Comment BudFox2012
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I'm surpised Cramer on CNBC hasn't been telling all his sheep audience to buy Detriot Municipal bonds.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:39 | Link to Comment buttmint
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Detroit has always had a vibrant music scene.....Motown, Bob Seger, MC5, Mitch Ryder, Kid Rock...the list goes on and on....

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:00 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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Alice Cooper!

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Selah
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The Motor City Madman!

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 00:33 | Link to Comment PRS395
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Sponge   

Romantics

 

Taproot     Ooops!  That is Ann Arbor

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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When even more Chinese buy the cheap City real estate, and more hard-working cultures (e.g., Mexicans, Vietnamese) move in, the City will heal faster.

Clearly those who created the problem(s) are not the ones to solve them -- even with Gov 'help'.  But if the Gov insists on 'helping', maybe Sen. McCain (McVain) & Friends can sponsor a few hundred thousand Ukrainians or North Vietnamese with a new start in Detroit.  And Jeb Bush can do likewise for his Mexican friends, just in time for 2016.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Selah
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The Ukrainians and Vietmanese would be speaking perfect English within two generations, as well as the Mexicans.

After 400 years, most American-Africans have problems with the langauge.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Ukrainians are White Christians.  You really think McStain's handlers would allow that?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:51 | Link to Comment presk_eel_pundit
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Another trash ZeroHedge article. GM is the only auto company headquartered in Detroit and has invested a ton of money in the city over the years. Chrysler's headquarters were in Highland Park for almost all of the 1900's and moved to Auburn Hills almost 15 years ago. Ford has been in Dearborn for a hundred years. The "Big Three" had nothing to do with Detroit's bankruptcy. The blame lies with the city government and the Feds.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 17:54 | Link to Comment bonzo112358
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Cronyism occurs at all levels of government.  Here is a story about a small school district in California where people in with the last board majority somehow got almost all the administrative positions that the district offers with or without the proper paperwork.  Would be nice if at some point these people finally get theirs.

http://www.sgvtribune.com/social-affairs/20131115/bassett-unifieds-hiring-practices-questioned

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:00 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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the irony.     Never buy a north american car built on monday or fridays

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjMXFOMhbeQ      

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:33 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Never buy a north american car built on monday or fridays

For an entertaining read, pick up Rivethead by Hamper.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:06 | Link to Comment pc_babe
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Liberals been running the city/state for decades .. Chigago, NY, LA, Baltimore, Denver, Seattle, Portland ... look at your future.  Maybe its time for the cities to double donw on stupid!  Bhahaha

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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They already did. Once in 2008 and a second time in 2012.

But, what was the people's excuse in 2000 and 2004, or in 1992 and 1996?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:12 | Link to Comment atomicwasted
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And the UAW gets off scot free?  Please.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:25 | Link to Comment HardlyZero
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Because fiat.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:30 | Link to Comment Herodotus
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They need to trade-in the current batch of residents for new ones.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 18:51 | Link to Comment RabbitOne
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Detroit was not ruined by capitalism. I spent all most all my working life in Detroit or its suburbs. I saw first hand the democrat socialist experiment that destroyed Detroit. Fifty years of straight Democrat total power drove out prosperous business people, increased corruption to epidemic levels that shut down free enterprise, they did this by taxing what ever was not nailed down, to keep things quiet they fed public unions like they were babies and as a sign of power they spent public funds like drunks.

I have many more stories to tell. But the one that still burns is the 2 million dollar winning computer contract that was lost with Detroit public schools because neither my business partner or I were the designated race for Detroit contracts. It was a bitter pill to swallow. After it happened I heard stories like mine over and over again from many others.

What I see in D.C. today is the same attitude that destroyed Detroit...    

 

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 22:15 | Link to Comment FredFlintstone
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You ain't a brother?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 00:16 | Link to Comment Real Estate Banksta
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I had a buddy who worked for a small private equity firm founded by a black guy who was politically connected to state government . My friend quickly figured out that their scam business model was to buy small firms that would benefit from installing a puppet minority owner in order to pull in govt contracts that mandated that the business go to minority owned firms. Sickening.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 05:56 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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Typical brainwashed naval-gazing propaganda.  Paul Kersey sheds some light on the racial reality that defines Detroit.

A Third World People make a Third World City/Civilization: What did you expect blacks would do to Detroit?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Oreilly
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Correct.

 

This "analysis" comes from interviewing one old banker and a bunch of GenXers ... if Detroit started going downhill in the mid-70s (and I think there's a riot in 1967 where a portion of the city was burned down that puts that lie to rest ... ), then what the hell would 30-somethings reflecting on their brief knowledge of Detroit have to do with the decline?  I'll answer my own question: 30 somethings were interviewed because they were the only ones that gave the BS answers the authors of this tripe could fit in to their premise.

Detroit declined in the same fashion that all US cities declined ... Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Clevland for example.  There was huge flight from the cities in the 1960s, for a huge number of reasons but most of them economic.  The jobs moved for all the reasons they still move (mostly cost of business reasons), and people moved with them.  Why the city of Detroit never bounced back is NOT because the auto industry was not capable of competing with Japan.  The auto industry was hit by all the same problems that every business in this country was hit by, they just had the distinction of being the biggest cash cow and the highest user on the food chain (all cost increases for whatever reason ended up being built in to the final product).  By the mid-70s there really wasn't much in the way of auto manufacturing in the city of Detroit ... it had all migrated outside the city in to the suburbs.

Detroit never came back because it became a problem that could not be corrected.  You couldn't do business in Detroit because you couldn't handle the risk of losing everything by being there, especially when you had a surrounding area that provided incredible growth and stability.  Why risk that some petty department head in some obscure city department would take a shine to ripping you off or supporting your competitor when right across the street you had a business climate where that didn't happen.  Drive down Mack Avenue in Detroit TODAY and look how one side of the street is thriving and the other is a slum ... it's not because the auto industry declined.

There's not enough time and I don't have the inclination to write about all of Detroit's problems, but this author is biased and has an agenda ... and he/she/they don't have a clue.  Don't waste your time watching this as you'll be left with a bad taste of what actually didn't happen in the city of Detroit.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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A city goes from 90% white to 90% black in thirty years and collapses. If this profound demographic shift had happened in the former Yugoslavia, CNN would be calling it ethnic cleansing. But somehow that's not important. Look over there! Unions, capitalists, democrats!

It's actually too important to the future viability of this country, and that's why you're not allowed to talk about it. The NWO has plans for the USSA, and their multikultist stooges would rather you not notice.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:27 | Link to Comment Central Ohio
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Is it safe?  Until the answer is yes, nothing will happen.  Sad place.

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