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California: Before And After The Drought, And Why It's Only Going To Get Worse

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While the Northeast is blanketed by another winter storm, California has its own, quite inverse, climatic problems in the form of a historic drought which as Bloomberg reports, is forcing farmers in the fertile central valley region to fallow thousands of acres of fields and has left 17 rural towns so low on drinking water that the state may need to start trucking in supplies. It is so bad that water reservoirs are at about 60 percent of average, according to state water data, and falling as rainfall remains at record low levels.

Unfortunately for our California readers, it is going to get worse before it gets better because mountain snowpack is about 12 percent of normal for this time of year. The following picture of California from January and a year ago shows just this dramatic difference, which confirms that there is little hope for the parched state.

Here is the WaPo's Reid Wilson explaining the above visual comparison:

The three-year long drought plaguing the western United States is only likely to get worse over the next year, forecasters and climate scientists say, given a dismal snowpack that has officials in many states worried. Despite a snowstorm earlier this week, the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada mountains stands at just 12 percent of the average level, the lowest measurement in the half-century records have been kept.

 

The low snowpack has serious consequences for the summer. Less snow means less summer runoff. Already, California has banned fishing in some drought-prone rivers. Gov. Jerry Brown (D) has asked residents to turn off the water while brushing their teeth. Earlier this week, President Obama called Brown to discuss the drought.

 

Earlier this month, Brown declared a state of emergency, urging residents to conserve water as much as possible. Several state agencies have said they plan to ration water throughout the summer. And already this year, several wildfires have broken out in areas of the state like Humboldt County, which is typically wet enough in the winter to mute any fire activity.

This of course is great news for America's already reeling economy, not to mention its stock markets and earnings growth-less corporations: it means one more excuse can be added to the arsenal of scapegoating, because while the latest snowstorm will come and go, even if it should provide "economists" and "analysts" with another reason to ignore "weaker than expected" February data, the aftereffects of Calfornia's drought will linger. And as everyone knows, Californians don't buy houses, cars, iPads, burgers, clothing, and generically, stuff, when there is a drought raging.

So bring on the bad data, and let it all be explained away by California's lack of snow, not to be confused with the overabundance of snow everywhere else.

 

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Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:10 | 4397444 LawsofPhysics
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Meh,  California is a big state with lots of resources and all that wealth.  They will be fine...

maybe they can trade Colorado some real football players for some water.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:09 | 4397458 HobbyFarmer
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Plenty of bottled water for everybody....right?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:14 | 4397474 macholatte
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Chem trails anyone?

 

It's not nice to fool mother nature.

-- God

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:17 | 4397494 Xibalba
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Yep.  

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:30 | 4397549 SilverIsKing
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Even water hates that libtarded state.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:36 | 4397583 Rainman
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+1 bullet train to nowhere.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:53 | 4398851 Soul Glow
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They should be buying Oregon water and saving that shit until the dollar collapses.  Because water at least is real.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:09 | 4398897 J S Bach
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Let's trade with the Mexicans - agua for illegal aliens.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:43 | 4398992 Four chan
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California is was and will always be an arid state also known as a desert,

this is just the clash of mans unreality clashing with natures reality.

guess whose reality is the winning one.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:04 | 4399052 Flakmeister
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I don't think those, ahem, are real....

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:58 | 4399340 TruthInSunshine
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Need to pump some Brawndo out there STAT.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 08:46 | 4399518 GetZeeGold
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Water......like from the toilet?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:16 | 4399835 SamAdams
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Jesus is punishing them for their sins.  He told me telepathically that he and his father, plan to add some fire this Summer, perhaps an earthquake.  He also said he is feeling a little bi-polar, and may go from God of peace and forgiveness, back to God of wrath and vengeance on all his imperfect creations.  He says it's a side-effect of being a zombie.  That Jesus, what a cut-up!

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:21 | 4399852 Shitters_Full
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Moar Electrolytes!

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:07 | 4399189 Soul Glow
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CA made its  name during the gold rush.  After that it was inginuity.  Acting, beauty, production, whatnot.  Now it is IT, who doesn'r have the brains to think mathmatically.....

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 13:21 | 4400571 TBT or not TBT
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CA is tending third world in the illegals infested hinterland and in swaths of its cities.   There are multiple Californias.    IT business mostly voted and contributed to this with their schizoid total support of statist fuckheads in Sacramento.    This is no longer Reagan's California.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:16 | 4399357 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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Dude, love your avatar. :)

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 07:18 | 4399475 TheGoldMyth
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Four Chan: Sounds like you have a historical understanding of the climate in that region. In Australia, it is the same. The climate is so changeable and often harsh, that our oldest settlers even wrote poems about it. Often. Like the poem about Clancy of The Overflow'

The "overflow" is Brisbane valley in Australia that is a historical high risk flood area. And when it had not flooded for ages and finally flooded again destroying many houses, Carbon Dioxide climate scientists said it was from climate change.

All the 'non-scientist' people with a CO2 chemical imbalance argue with great emotion, and sometimes rage, with those that show signs of being sceptical about CO2 climate change science, or the climate change tax system. CO2 takes over their environmental mind, displaces all other environmental knowledge when seriously affected by CO2 climate science.

 From Wikipedia: The most famous poem Isobel Marion Dorothea Mackellar (better known as Dorothea Mackellar), OBE (1 July 1885 – 14 January 1968) was an Australian poet and fiction writer.[1] Her poem My Country is perhaps the best known Australian poem, especially its second stanza, which begins: "I love a sunburnt country/A land of sweeping plains,/Of ragged mountain ranges,/Of droughts and flooding rains." ...

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:15 | 4399211 Major Malfunction
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What? We give them illegal aliens ('cause we got lots) .. and they give us water in return? Sounds cool.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:11 | 4398900 TeamDepends
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Wow, check out the whites fleeing Cali!

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:35 | 4399125 chumbawamba
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Good, the place is over-crowded, so any population reduction is welcome.  There's plenty of water in the mountains and a lot less corporate government goons.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:40 | 4397599 NoDebt
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Let me tell you a little story about the great Mid-Atlantic drought of the late 90s, early 2000s, from the Philly area perspective.  It lasted 10+ years and by the end of it (last 2 years), every damned reservoir in the area was so low you could see the bottom as you drove past.  There were bans on washing your car, restaurants no longer brought you a glass of water unless you asked for it, etc, etc..

My own well that supplies water to my house was a 100' deep dry hole in the ground the last summer of that drought.  No showers, no washing clothes for TWO MONTHS.  We got help where we could from neighbors and such.  We considered a dip in the pool to be the equivalent of a "bath" for all intents and purposes.

Of course, it was ALL blamed on global warming.

And then one day, later that same year, it started to rain.  And it rained and rained and rained.... and it hasn't stopped fucking raining for the last 12 years.  Philly is now "Seattle East" with rainfall.  And now THAT is being blamed on global warming.  

Take from that what you will, but don't speak to me about droughts.  You'll get little sympathy.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:44 | 4397614 New_Meat
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"And then one day, later that same year, it started to rain."

Mark Twain had a story about a congregation that prayed to God, "please stop the drought!!!" and He woke up and granted their appeal.

- Ned

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:10 | 4397764 Meat Hammer
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We took the kids to Folsom Lake last weekend to see it for ourselves.  What was once the boat-launch is now a 300-yard long asphalt ramp that leads to a 400-yard long walk on dry lake bed that finally gets you to the water.  

Utterly unbelievable and sad.  

On the return trip home we stopped by Costco for many flats of bottled water.  

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:09 | 4398005 DeadFred
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Have hope (I hope). It looks like next week we may get the 'Pineapple Express', the meteorological phenomenon, not the movie. Long periods of time with air flow straight from Hawaii can bring large amounts of rain. No snow because it's too warm but at least Folsom will fill a bit. Of course the hills are completely brown so heavy rains would cause floods and landslides off the bare hillsides.

If you are so inclined many of those sections of the Folsom lakebed have excellent gold deposits. The early miners couldn't find and work them well because of vegetation but now they are open (and legal) for panning. 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:38 | 4398148 SilverDOG
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"Don't forget to bring towel!" - Towlie, South Park

Why you might ask?

Cuz you will need your sweat to pan gold, if there ain't no water.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:39 | 4398424 aphlaque_duck
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With all the boating accidents people have reported here, this might be a good time to go walk those lake beds with a metal detector.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:21 | 4398934 DeadFred
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Mine was lost in Tahoe :(

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:24 | 4399364 mt paul
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turn loose

the gold sniffing badgers..

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:41 | 4398170 HellFish
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Hey Cali,

You send us Pelosi and Feinstein?  I hope it never rains there again.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:26 | 4398776 snr-moment
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Thanks you watermellons. Almost time to sell the tillable acreage in the upper midwest.     Almost.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:23 | 4399367 mt paul
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payable in gold ..

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:30 | 4399324 Prime Rib
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Who've you got that is so great? Cali is wildly diverse, both geographically and in the population, and we feed the world. At this point what the hell difference does it make who is in congress? 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 08:21 | 4399555 hunglow
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Purchase some Coleman 6 gal water jugs and fill off of tap then filter.  Better yet, buy two.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:35 | 4399913 snr-moment
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Screw the colemans. cheap junk.  Stay away from reliance too.  Use Specter Gas/Diesel/Kerosene  cans.  (whatever color floats your boat) (make sure they've never been used) Label em "WATER" ad 6 drops regular chlorox per gallon.

Make sure Specter (out of Canada). they use #7 HDPE plastic which is food grade per our USDA, and the color won't leech

Or you can have your water leak out while you're not looking.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 11:21 | 4400093 RafterManFMJ
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Naw, what they really need are a few thousand droids that understand the binary language of moisture vaporators.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 13:21 | 4400577 TBT or not TBT
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Or we could wring out some wetbacks.   Got plenty of those.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:52 | 4397650 Debeachesand Je...
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What really kick-started the 12 yr rainy season was when Hurricane Flyod hit the Mid-Atlantic states in 1999. Nine inches of rain fell in New Castle County Delaware and less down state which caused then Governor Carper now Senator Carper to cancel all emergency drought restrictions.

 

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:01 | 4399042 dark pools of soros
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That place next to Marshalton was all flooded out..   think everyone had to ditch their homes for good after that

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 05:42 | 4399425 zhandax
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Funny thing about the weather cycle.   It's cyclical.  If you can't understand why the weather-taxers don't seem to grasp this, bend over.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 08:26 | 4399564 GetZeeGold
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It cost 600 million for a website that doesn't work.....can't imagine what it would cost to make a rain shower....with real water and stuff.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:54 | 4397673 balanced
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NoDebt, this isn't about cutting back on showers, or watering your lawn on designated days. It's about thousands of acres of farmland being turned into infertile desert; American farmers losing their businesses and their land. It's about food shortages.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:07 | 4397747 Ident 7777 economy
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What about the delta smelt? Wasn't CA flushing water down the rivers just to save 1 species of FISH a few years back?

 

No effing planning for the future ... and God's gonna get you for it ...

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:14 | 4398036 Professorlocknload
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Gotta understand, that Delta water also flushes all that sewer dumped in San Francisco Bay by the politically blue, out of their front yard and into the Sea.

Add to that, the Farm/Bible belt is all Red.

Water= Red Blue politics.

A Civil Engineer once told me "There's plenty of water. It's just all in the wrong place."

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:29 | 4398113 new game
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water is fine where it is, it's the fucking idiot people in the wrong(or maybe right) place.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:07 | 4398516 torabora
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yep...just THIS Spring....after a low water winter, water was being dumped out of the spillway at Oroville Dam for a month. I think they knew this would happen and want the 'crises; to build new waterworks....but that's just me.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:58 | 4399985 juangrande
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I remember a few years back reading in a National Geo. about the water history of the West. By looking at petrified tree rings, which gave them info going back around 5000 yrs, they determined that the time period between 1750ish to 1950ish was, by far, the wettest 200 yr period there. It is actually normal, in recent geological time, to be very dry. It just happened our westward migration corresponded perfectly with this wet period. But reality often conflicts with our " manifest destiny". I mean, it was wet when we got here, shouldn't it always be that way! 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:40 | 4403717 OceanX
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Yes, another really good read is: "Beyond The 100th Meridian."  It is a career biography of John Wesley Powell. 

 

-- Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting!

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:49 | 4398448 scrappy
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Agreed, food shortages.

Garden, gather rain, drip irrigation.

Then the is the GMO widespread failure black swan.

Depend on yourself.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:11 | 4398907 NoDebt
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"this isn't about cutting back on showers, or watering your lawn on designated days. It's about thousands of acres of farmland being turned into infertile desert"

Balanced- they grow crops all around these parts, just like they do in California.  PA, NJ, DE... all were affected.  Now they're affected for another reason many years- too MUCH rain.  

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:13 | 4399081 Antifaschistische
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It's also about the relationship between big business and who owns the California legislature.  EJ Gallo is one of those who can buy a lot of votes, and the broader wine industry will support them and their crew all the way.  This is how it works.   The politics of water.   Who goes first?  Which farms get their water shut off first...the sad thing, is however it happens I know it won't be fair.  It will be about the power of the various lobbying groups.

Too bad for California.....because when California's budget finally snaps, it's going to be bad.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:09 | 4399197 WillyGroper
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Of course it is.

We're not dying fast enuf for old RottenFellar & MisterSoftie.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:28 | 4399373 mt paul
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maybe Fukishima

could sell some water to california 

 

that might help..

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:08 | 4399805 snr-moment
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It's about letting a bunch of absolute morons do your environmental planning while your population, what, doubles?, triples? since the last time you bulit a new damn or reservoir.

 

Or better yet,   FREE THE RIVER!  let's tear down all the damns!!!

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:53 | 4397682 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Here in the heart of FEMA Region 6. our lakes are @ about 30% capacity so they are not going to send water to the rice farmers down by Houston via the Colorado river. My question should we be growing rice that requires millions of acre ft. of imported H20??? Who is running this freak show ?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:37 | 4397871 Jack Burton
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Agreed. The growth of rice farming in Texas was a dubious scheme. But politicians answered the call of Texas farmers and put the tax payer to work building the pipes, canals and artificial rivers to feed a tropical crop in hot and often times Dry Texas. This is simply crony capitalism, a non-viable crop was put into production by farmers who demanded and got US Taxpayers to fund their profits. Crony is not free market, in a free market, minus US tax payer subsidies, rice would be grown where nature intended, Not Texas. California farmers profit from intense taxpayer funding of their water projectes. Taxpayers pay for farmers profits, again, this is corny. If farmers wanted to farm, they should fund their own water projects, but if they did, then profits would be non-existent.

Crony capitalism, it is the American way.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:27 | 4398775 Pumpkin
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I find it amusing that people demand fairness, respect and accountability because they are a taxpayer.  Who the hell made you a taxpayer?  Who created you and defined you?  Was it God, or the government created by man?  The point being, don't accept labels.  Taxpayers are forcefully seperated from their property.  They have no rights.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:51 | 4399008 Oh regional Indian
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All those texan rice farmers should read Masanobu Fukuoka's One Straw Revolution.

Dry bed rice farming IS THE WAY. These drowned root rices we eat are no good.

ori

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 09:30 | 4399681 Nobody
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That book and its author present an interesting approach to food production, BUT it would require a complete return to an agrarian society. Something that will not happen until a societal collapse occurs.
Me, I am going to dance to the current music and hope I prosper from others' adversity, as is always the case in a marketplace.
In short, if you want to grow dry land rice, go find a rain forest, or stay with what works in areas of plentiful water and quit trying to make a desert what it is not!

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:57 | 4399029 kchrisc
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Yup, there is no such thing as a "tax payer." There are only extortion victims that their extortionists like to call "tax payers."

It is not your money. It is their money.

This is important, because considering yourself a "taxpayer" falsely allows you to think that you have a participatory stake and voice in what they do. Nope you don't. Would you want to? How much of that drone Hellfire missile that took out a wedding party in Yemen did you have a stake in?

 

"First step is to stop paying, obeying and playing."

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:15 | 4399209 WillyGroper
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I'm sure they were growing drought resistant RottenFeller engineered yellow rice with oodles & gobs of vitamin A.

To save the eyesight of just one child.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:38 | 4398164 thestarl
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Like growing cotton in Queensland Oz total fucking insanity.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:27 | 4398602 SDShack
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Hell, they grow cotton in Phoenix. At least they did a few years ago.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:03 | 4398502 TuPhat
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Those rice farmers south of Houston where I live voted to allow a tax increase on their land to pay for those reservoirs.  Texas has no natural lakes they are all man made and paid for by taxes.  Now they aren't allowed to use the water their taxes paid for because people in Austin use the water for recreation.  The politicians run the freak show and the most votes is what counts.  What the rice farmers don't use runs out into the gulf anyway.  They have to keep some flow going to protect the fish so the water is gone anyway.  Things are never quite what they seem to be.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:48 | 4397912 Muddy1
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"the Northeast is blanketed by another winter storm" the reason? global warming

"California has its own, quite inverse, climatic problems in the form of a historic drought"

the reason? global warming

a win win situation for algor

the problem with this drought - mass migration to other states that will become Californicated

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:15 | 4398328 New_Meat
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ya gotta' get at Carl (Billions and Billions) Sagan to see how the opposite symptoms lead to the  same prescription.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:50 | 4399273 Rukeysers Ghost
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ya gotta' get at Carl (Billions and Billions) Sagan to see how the opposite symptoms lead to the  same prescription.

 

That may be tough. Carl has been exloring a section of the cosmos 6 feet under ground now for the last 18 years with no signs of him coming up for air any time soon.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:19 | 4399308 sylviasays
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Californication coming to a state near you along with moar taxes?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:18 | 4398045 cynicalskeptic
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The American West is a different animal than the NE.  We've had a good century  - but things are going back to the 'norm' (or worse).  Fremont talked of the 'Great Desert' in Nebraska in the early 1800's.

The last 100 years were abnormally wet - read 'Cadillac Desert' - published in 1986

http://www.amazon.com/Cadillac-Desert-American-Disappearing-Revised/dp/0...

 

Government policies - and irrational land use policies have made things even worse.  It's only going to get worse.  The Midwest is screwed as well - we're draining the Olgalalla aquifer and all other groundwater supplies.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:27 | 4398104 laomei
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And now THAT is being blamed on global warming.  

This is just another example of a fool's misunderstanding.  It's not so much "warming" as it is "change".  And change, unfortunately is normal.  This entire "greatest civilization ever" is built on the premise of fairly stable climate for a couple thousand years.  With, of course, the hilarious expectation that it'll last forever and ever.  We're in an interglacial period.  One of two things happens during those, either the ice comes back in full force, or the ice goes away.  Either way, it's basically the end of civilization as humanity has grown accustomed. Looking at climate records, it's fairly easy to say "this or that caused it", but it's impossible usually to see where the tipping point was and man does, like it or not, release a whole bunch of shit into the atmosphere that does in fact have an impact.  What impact? That's what they are still trying to figure out.  The absolute arrogance that nothing will ever change is just funny.  See the shock and panic when a small volcano goes off and takes out the economy of an entire region? Or a minor earthquake reduces an area to rubble... this is NOTHING, it's a joke on geological terms.  Take a peak at those mountains and large rock formations, look at the banding, you see that uplift in the seams? Something caused that.  Sometimes it was quite drastic on a scale that simply does not exist in recorded history.

The Sahara was once a lush forest, the end of that resulted in the Egyptian culture and a forced migration out of Africa.  The Taklamakan in China... again, everyone just wants to pretend it was just a desert, but the oldest records found near the edges refer to it as a "homeland".  There are entire swatches of land which vanished under the waves as well and just recently have been "rediscovered".  Guess what, people used to live there, then they didn't, then it was gone and became legend/myth.  So that's the whole fear of "climate change", because any significant shift is VERY hard to undo and it can be a trigger for things far worse.  Gulf stream shuts down, jet stream patterns shift, established pressure systems shift and end rainfall on an area which has grown to expect it.  Something similar happened during the dust bowl. The midwest has always basically been a desert, as far as humanity is concerned anyways.  Those prairie grasses were there for a reason, mainly because that's what could survive the extreme droughts that could last for decades, even centuries.  Turning it into farmland during a period of heavy rainfall... hey, the rain follows the plow.  Idiots actually believed that tripe.  Guess what? Turned out to not be so true.  The entire crop is based on underground water (which is limited and has a slow recharge), the land itself is mostly depleted and without chemicals nothing will grow, at least not as well as is required.

It's also a strangely american view that the only thing that matters is weather in the US.  This isn't "continental 48+hawaii&alaska climate change" it's global.  Most of the world is having one of the warmest winters ever recorded.  Does it mean anything? maybe, maybe not.  But it's really really stupid to pretend that it doesn't matter because it's not local to you.  Climate change, is it real? is it a sham? is there anything that can be done about it? CRAZY IDEA HERE... on the offchance that it IS real and that something CAN be done about it... i don't know, maybe we should just assume it is?  Just to maybe, possibly play it safe in the hopes that this little climate we have so grown to enjoy perhaps persists another few thousand years?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:10 | 4398523 TuPhat
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Lao first you say it's a glacial period then you pretend it's caused by man and then give examples of change man had nothing to do with.  Can you make up your mind and then post?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:26 | 4398772 Raphio
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Actually he said that we are in an interglacial period... duh

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:28 | 4398773 Raphio
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double post

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 12:46 | 4400434 laomei
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It appears that you are incapable of reading.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:35 | 4402852 Flakmeister
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Oh yeah, yours was a good'un too.

\hattip

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 21:44 | 4402375 MEAN BUSINESS
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James Burke about 22 years ago talked about how we insure our lives, our property, our national defenses and that we should be spending on insurance for our environment, as you suggest in your excellent post. He recognized then that a carbon tax would not be popular, that international meetings would be forgotten about and reports shelved. He anticipated troops back in the Gulf, a nuclear exchange, refugee tragedies, iffy climate models,and that the deep ocean data would be a long time coming. Remember, this predated An Inconvenient Truth by about 15 years. In all of the blogs I have read I have never seen anyone refer to James Burke. When I saw AIC, I laughed because it was basically all in JB's documentary. James Burke, 'After The Warming' is in the format of Connections and The Day The Universe Changed, presented from the year 2050. I recorded in off the tv on VHS and used to insist my 'peeps' watch it LOL. 

BTW, in a doc called After The Warming circa 1989, just passed the 1 minute mark the author refers to it as "climate change".

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:35 | 4402844 Flakmeister
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Burke was a very sharp guy...

"The Day the Universe Changed" is a classic. Do you recall the final scene where he is sitting in front of Mt. Everest describing the Internet? That was in 1985...

BTW, good post...

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:52 | 4398235 Notarocketscientist
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Let me get this right --- there was a drought  --- your well was bone dry --- YET YOU STILL WERE ABLE TO FILL YOUR POOL AND TAKE A DIP????

 

WTF

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:09 | 4398896 NoDebt
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I didn't own a pool.  I still don't.  It was a community pool in the area.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:56 | 4399030 dark pools of soros
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great for gardens around here.. and seems we'd buy rain barrels but why since no reason to water anything with all the rain!

 

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:56 | 4399283 A Nanny Moose
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45 years here in CA. I've seen wet and dry times. Can't say we've ever had it that bad in my lifetime. Rationing here has meant no more washing your car, watering your law, and brown golf courses.

I remember the rainless winter of 91 followed by the "March Miracle." I also remember a similar episode 2-3 years later because I was driving to Utah on a ski trip with some friends. We escaped LA just before the 101-405 interchange was closed due to flooding. It rained hard, for several days in a row.

Water in the west is just another fucking government program.

If government ran the desert, there would be a shortage of sand.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:41 | 4397605 kaiserhoff
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As I recall, may through October is the "dry" season, and the fire season.

When does Fukushima season peak?

I'm sure Governor Moonbeam is on it like stink on a monkey.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:44 | 4397617 CheapBastard
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No worries, plenty of Fresh Fuki water is on the way.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:00 | 4399285 A Nanny Moose
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Fire season is often followed by mudslide season.

...and they say we don't have seasons.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:42 | 4397611 Spastica Rex
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Alabama

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:16 | 4398333 New_Meat
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Omaha!!!, oh, wait ...

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:31 | 4397842 Harbanger
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This is perfect cover to explain away the inflation in rising food prices.  Is that snow on the pacific ocean or just clouds?  I'm not sure what to make of the pictures.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:47 | 4397905 Flakmeister
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I suggest you leave any interpretation of data and the like to qualified experts...

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:18 | 4398341 New_Meat
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Yep, "qualified EXPERTS" such as those in New Anglia, y'know, the ones baking the preferred data.

Yep, dem b "qualified"

- Ned

{ed. so which  way does it go?  The SUPER weather for yesterday's blowout or today's snow.  Inquiring minds wish to know}

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:31 | 4398394 Flakmeister
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You know about the other hockey stick?

This one that is in reverse.... 

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=climategate

As you can see, no one cares about such obvious bullshit.....

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:06 | 4398518 New_Meat
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I know that the Islanders and the Rangers suck.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:52 | 4398226 Miffed Microbio...
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Seven years ago we we in Colorado skiing and noticed there were signs in the grocery stores explaining the high prices of produce were the result of severe Santa Ana conditions in California. We laughed ourselves silly because we come from the heart of Santa Ana country and the conditions had been quite mild and our produce costs were normal for that time of year. So we take these " explanations" with a ton of salt.

However, I will say the drought conditions here in our region are very bad. I am fortunate to have a 10,000 gallon cistern and we are in full conservation mode while many dipshit McMansion dwellers don't seem to have a clue. The most frightening part is a few years ago, snowpack was at record levels and everything was clear sailing. I think we are living in a very precarious situation when you consider this in the grand scale.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:13 | 4398909 disabledvet
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I think the Santa Ana winds are when the wind blows from East to West out West. Very dangerous as I recall.

You've had some wild weather in Colorado as well as i recall...huge wildfires, a terrible flood this fall.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:26 | 4399232 WillyGroper
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Hey Miffed,

Out of curiosity, how long would 10K gal last for say 2 people with conservative use & drip irrigation for food stuffs?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:21 | 4399313 A Nanny Moose
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Have you looked into permaculture? Also, irrigate with gray water? Same drop, at least twice the use.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:21 | 4399314 A Nanny Moose
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Have you looked into permaculture? Also, irrigate with gray water? Same drop, at least twice the use.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 13:50 | 4400662 Miffed Microbio...
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According to San Diego water district, 10k is the average usage for a family of 4 per month. We were a bit shocked at that. We have a friend who lost her well because of a local casino deep drilling and she said she could get by on 5k gallons/ month living alone but she has 9 horses. Our next big project is using our backhoe and making a large pool where our seasonal creek flows. It's sad to watch during all the water flow off our mountain during our occasional torrential rains. Our well is shelf caught rain water. This is tricky to do because the county would never allow us to do this.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:38 | 4398418 linrom
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Obviously you're not from Texas!

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:52 | 4399156 Yenbot
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Too dam lazy an dum to build a damn. Beavers know better.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 13:54 | 4400670 Miffed Microbio...
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Wish I could. That is illegal here. But I am tenacious and resourceful. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:19 | 4397496 The Gooch
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Funny thing about the "cloud seeding" before major snow(?)fall and the resulting (prompt) uptick in respiratory problems here in flyover country.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you.

 

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:35 | 4397584 CrashisOptimistic
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I'm gonna guess someone finds a way to turn this into a gold thread.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:46 | 4397621 Xibalba
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Once the rain starts, and they find that it is all filled with cesium, then you bet your arse things will get Golden.... 

 

 

There. 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:30 | 4399238 WillyGroper
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cesium, aluminum, mycoplasm. 

what's the difference & the point?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:46 | 4397633 kodachrome
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Bitcoin.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:49 | 4397644 Ident 7777 economy
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Truther/HAARP/Chemtrail MORONs ...

Let the down-voting begin.

 

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:33 | 4397849 The Gooch
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So, in all your infinite fucking wisdom, you're saying that geo-engineering does not exist?

That 1996 USAF protocol is way ahead of schedule and being utilized for the "full spectrum".

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:03 | 4397967 Balanced Integer
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I would say that mankind has practically zero power or ability to influence the weather in such a scale. If you believe in chemtrailing and HAARP as "geo-engineering," you almost have to also believe in manmade global warming (which I would ascribe a much higher likelihood to than any USAF protocol).

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:14 | 4398327 The Gooch
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Surely, this private firm is merely marketing mythology. 

http://www.weathermodification.com/

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:31 | 4399246 WillyGroper
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2012 texas hired an aussie outfit.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:24 | 4399319 A Nanny Moose
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Not saying you are wrong, but because somebody markets something, it must work as advertised? IS that what happened during the Dawt.Bawmbz? The housing boom? Peak snake oil?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:36 | 4398559 Goldilocks
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Geoengineering Whistleblower ~ Ex-Military ~ Kristen Meghan, Hauppauge, NY, January 18th, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA (21:36)

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:23 | 4398939 disabledvet
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meh. geoengineering is so 1950's.

We're into this now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming
I know my favorite pick up line "yeah, but one day...that planet you see? It will be all YOURS!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg_dfV4TO2E

that dark side needs to be smoothed out a little...don't ya think?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:05 | 4399181 WillyGroper
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2012 was a horrible drought here. chemtrails everyday all day. I started taking screen shots as storms hit on radar in 2013. I wish someone with posting privileges would sling them up for all to see. there were some hum dinger tornado's in AR. just happen to know a meteorologist & it ain't doppler on those screen shots.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:12 | 4397475 DoChenRollingBearing
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Holy Shi'ite!  California just can't seem to catch a break.  Now Mother Nature adds her wrath after California's voters screwed themselves.

"ABC": Anywhere But California"

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:21 | 4397506 Mike in GA
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Apropos of the Governor's last name.

(Hey!  Y'all voted for him!)

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:01 | 4397725 Professorlocknload
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Let some golf courses go brown and some swimming pools go dry, and moonbeam gets the boot. Water in Cali is politics. Nothing more, nothing less.

Add to that, Sacramento is another planet to most Californians. They don't give a rats ass what moonbeam is doing down there.

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:57 | 4399033 aphlaque_duck
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If a swimming pool goes dry, the shell can pop out of the ground by hydrostatic pressure, and the house might then tip into in the hole.

If it's kept full without chlorine or filtration, it becomes a "vector" for insects and disease.

I scored a 3-way on the steps of my pool, but I caught HPV. Pools are fun but not worth it.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:59 | 4399172 JohnnyBriefcase
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Yeah, but was the 3-way the cool kind?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:15 | 4399204 aphlaque_duck
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one was a bit homely, and one was my secretary. Like I said, fun but not worth it.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:29 | 4397827 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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"If it's yellow it's mellow, if it's Brown..."

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:45 | 4398192 akak
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"... re-elect him!"

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:04 | 4398291 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"... tread carefully on roadside."

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:07 | 4398300 Miffed Microbio...
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Not all of us voted for the insanity ever flowing out of Cali today. It's been tough living thirty years and seeing the decline of a wonderful state. Watching the bulldozing of prime farm land in the LA region and the subsequent building of an endless sea of ticky tacky clone homes was depressing. We've voted against all this high density housing here only to lose every time against the monied interests. How can you support this many people in a desert? Of course if there is quick money to be made, math is never an issue and those responsible will be long gone, never facing punishment. Seems like a universal theme.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:32 | 4399325 A Nanny Moose
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Meantime, talk is on again about new desalination plants. /sigh.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:15 | 4399356 kumquatsunite
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Desalination plants...as in, just keep adding to the population because you failed Completely to follow any kind of reasonable immigration rules. More than 3.5 MILLION PER YEAR let in during Clinton's administration, and over ten years, beginning with Clinton, TEN MILLION PLUS (not counting illegals and birth drop babies) were added to California. There is your problem.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:38 | 4398639 Redhotfill
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Actually we dont know of anyone who would admit they did vote for moonbeam's revival.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:46 | 4397628 New_Meat
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dcrb, re: "can't catch a break"

as a young piglet, I was forcefully taught that you make your own breaks, preparation is all.

.governator Moonbeam is not of that view, nor the non-informed voters.

Destruction of a once wonderful land.

- Ned

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 11:54 | 4400243 BraveSirRobin
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And Oakland's football season! Now that was a disaster, albeit a man made disaster. I guess you call them a terrorist outfit.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:27 | 4397534 Race Car Driver
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Black swan feathers fall

Lightly on the hoi poli

They go unnoticed

 

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:25 | 4397818 angel_of_joy
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It's "hoi poloi". Otherwise, exquisite !

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:12 | 4398013 Emergency Ward
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Hoi polloi, but a nice one..
Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:42 | 4398176 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Common response to
Lake Mead water level drops:
"It can't happen here."

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:29 | 4397541 F0ster
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and our yachts have watermakers! 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 22:41 | 4398651 Freddie
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They just need some of the Fuku water.

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:18 | 4399842 sgorem
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"President Obama called Brown to discuss the drought."..............what a waste of oxygen.

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 11:45 | 4400221 BraveSirRobin
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San Fran is about to ban bottles water. No matter, I hear they like to drink each other's urine, or something like that.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:14 | 4397481 spinone
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Californians only drink Peligrino, right?

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:25 | 4397529 wakablahh
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This is funny because it's partly true.  I moved away from CA but still have my San Pellegrino

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:28 | 4397830 Meat Hammer
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My kids call it fancy water and we drink it by the case load.  Good shit.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:42 | 4397889 Harbanger
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I'm surprised it's not carbon taxed in California.  Pellegrino contains carbon dioxide, you know, that bad stuff that causes global warming.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:03 | 4397972 The Gooch
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La Croix© will be bailing out Detroit© under a new bi-partisan© carbon-tax©; Entirely due to this noxious byproduct of channel stuffing.

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:26 | 4398946 disabledvet
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I always found the water in Lake Tahoe to be "tasty" actually.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:36 | 4399329 A Nanny Moose
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But they have to first sequester it in those cute little green bottles. By this logic, beer should be carbon taxed as well since the fermentation process produces CO2.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:28 | 4397538 Wile-E-Coyote
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Don't Californians drink their own piss................ they will never go thirsty!!

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:34 | 4397568 Bobbyrib
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Most of them drink whatever Nancy Pelosi tells them to drink.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:47 | 4397640 onewayticket2
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kool-aid

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:40 | 4399331 A Nanny Moose
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We have to drink it to find out what is in it.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 18:35 | 4397585 -.-
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