Mandatory "Vehicle-to-Vehicle" Communications Coming To U.S. Cars

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The vision of ‘talking’ cars that avoid crashes is well on the way to becoming a reality. And we’re not just talking about cars talking to cars, but about cars talking to bikes, trucks talking to motorcycles, and even buses talking to pedestrians. This promises to significantly reduce the number of deaths and injuries on our nation’s roads while unleashing a new wave of innovation from advanced traffic management systems and smart mobility apps to real-time traffic, transit and parking information.

 

- Scott Belcher, President and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America

Worried about “pre-crime?” What about “pre-crash?”

The geniuses at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTS) are so concerned about your “safety,” they have decided to take it into their own hands and make it mandatory that your car wirelessly communicate with other vehicles on the road. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx went so far as to say the technology could save “thousands of lives and even prevent accidents in the first place.” The concept of “pre-crash” has been born.

As in so many other aspects of life, there is a top down push to remove all control from the individual to the collective (recall the MSNBC host who proclaimed children don’t belong to their parents), typically justified within the content of the “war on terror,” and always justified with “it’s for your own good.” Apparently, we aren’t capable of making our own choices in anything any more, including something as simple as driving a car.

This push to exert control within individual vehicles is nothing new and appears to be a global phenomenon.  For instance, just last week I posted an article titled: The EU May Mandate a “Remote Stopping Device” in All Cars for Police Use.

Now we learn from The Detroit News that:

Washington— The U.S. Transportation Department said Monday it plans to propose requiring all new cars and trucks to eventually communicate with one another, which could one day help reduce up to 80 percent of crash deaths.

 

But under the tentative timetable laid out, automakers aren’t likely to be required to install the in-vehicle communication devices until around 2020 — and even then, the devices will be phased in.

 

Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration will begin working on a proposal to require vehicle-to-vehicle communication in future cars and trucks. He said he hopes to propose the regulation by the time the Obama administration leaves office in January 2017. NHTSA gives automakers at least 18 months of lead time before mandating new technology.

 

Foxx said at a news conference the technology could save “thousands of lives and even prevent accidents in the first place.”

 

Acting NHTSA chief David Friedman said the technology is a “game changer” and “nothing short of revolutionary.”

Um, sorry but if this is such a “gamer changer” and “revolutionary” why not just put it out there and see if the market adopts it. If it is as wonderful as Mr. Friedman claims, why does it need to be mandatory. No one made Bitcoin mandatory, yet it is being adopted because it genuinely is revolutionary. This guy’s statement is completely idiotic.

But major challenges need to be addressed: including ensuring that the devices would be secure — to prevent hackers couldn’t take control of the signals.

Hahaha, ok good luck with that. Just ask Target for some tips.

NHTSA also expects to decide soon whether to require future cars to have active collision avoidance systems — like automatic braking that halts a vehicle about to strike a stopped vehicle in front of it. Those systems are currently on many luxury cars.

Yeah, what could go wrong…

Greg Winfree, assistant secretary for Research and Technology, said some automakers are already researching how they could tie together vehicle-to-vehicle systems and automatic braking. Future systems would also include cars talking to sensors embedded in highways. A car could alert a highway sign that the roads were icy — and the sign could flash a warning to drivers, Winfree said. “This a technological first step,” Winfree said.

Kill me.

Scott Belcher, president and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America, the nation’s largest association representing the transportation and technology communities including major automakers and suppliers, praised the announcement.

 

“The vision of ‘talking’ cars that avoid crashes is well on the way to becoming a reality. And we’re not just talking about cars talking to cars, but about cars talking to bikes, trucks talking to motorcycles, and even buses talking to pedestrians. This promises to significantly reduce the number of deaths and injuries on our nation’s roads while unleashing a new wave of innovation from advanced traffic management systems and smart mobility apps to real-time traffic, transit and parking information,” he said.

Of course he praises it, he is probably set to make a fortune from this mandatory gulag car network.

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konputa's picture

I see a bigger market for custom ECU/bypass measures in the near future. I won't have this shit in my car. I'm tired of this fucking nanny state.

LetThemEatRand's picture

It's a fucking police state.   The "nanny state" meme is cover, and is designed to distinguish Red and Blue.

Harlequin001's picture

Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, land of the free... yeah right...

I wonder how much the lobbyists paid for that one...

Deo vindice's picture

Doesn't 'pre-crash' still mean there will be a crash?

So how is this a safety thing?

Skateboarder's picture

By safety features, they mean that it lets the gubbamin know every time you fart.

Stackers's picture

So what happens when EVERYONES accelerators gets stuck at the same time ?

Possible Impact's picture

Time for an antivirus update?

pods's picture

Well I don't know about the rest of you but I feel safer. (that was sarcasm to the clinically inebriated)

Now if I can find my Member's only jacket and get me a fro.  

Used to love that show as a kid. I hope my car has Kit's voice.

On the bright side, I think we will be in assless chaps and a Ford Falcon before we have enough of these cars on the road to make a spit's bit of difference.

pods

Oh regional Indian's picture

Actually what everyone might be missing is that this is the rise of the machines. Human involvement is also completely linearized, boxed into cubes....totally unnatural.

The rise of the machines, the germans....whatever.

All readying for the return of Nimrod!

ori

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/13/machine-strong-human-weak/

fonestar's picture

I wouldn't worry about this.  The global economy is going to crash before the 2016 models ever hit the showroom floor.

MeMadMax's picture

The OP in this chain mentions bypass market.

 

There already is....

 

Google "MegaSquirt".

Or go here for a guide: http://www.efisupply.com/efibuyersguide.pdf

Here: http://www.nitrostreet.com/efi.html

And here's a book: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/building-and-tuning-high-performance-ele...

 

James_Cole's picture

Bunch of luddities on here - intelligent transport systems will be great. 

NidStyles's picture

This crap belongs on planes and trains nothing else. The only people that would like this garbage are girls and boys that drive automatics which are also recognized as girls.

Gief Gold Plox's picture

Oh man, hacker heaven. It's gonna be so sweet making a radio gun that instructs passing vehicles they're about to colide unless they perform an emergency stop.

Dirt bike or an adventure enduro's the way to go.

PT's picture

Whatever happened to good, old-fashioned beeping the horn, sticking your head out of the window and yelling, and "hand signals"?

GetZeeGold's picture

 

 

 

 

I gutted my OnStar when I accidentally push the button and found out it was still actually still working.

 

It was very disconcerting to hear two people carrying on a conversation inside my truck.

kralizec's picture

All you have belonz to gubmint...or so they try...resist we much!

Say What Again's picture

Just wait till some teenage commie punk hacks those systems and causes a 500 car pile-up in rush hour traffic in the middle of LA, NYC, Chicago, etc.

Then everyone will be looking for someone to blame.

kralizec's picture

Yeah.

Same as always.  It won't be the authoritarians behind the mandate, it will be the mfgs.  And after the latter is sued into oblivion, the taxpayer will be raped yet again for another bailout of a too-big-to-fail industry.

It's like the worst parts of deja vu all over again!

Gahhhh!!!!

Lost Word's picture

Police will be able to stop any vehicle for any reason at any time.

Police State dream.

Police State criminals will exploit it/extort it for more Police State crime.

PT's picture

Hmmm, "Mandatory vehicle to vehicle communication" ... that means every new car comes with a free, built-in CB radio, right?  Right???

Headbanger's picture

"Connected Cars" infographic:

http://mashable.com/2012/05/30/meet-the-connected-car-of-the-future-info...

How can such systems prevent cars sliding into each other on slick roads or prevent a deer from jumping right in front of your car??

The stupidity about all this technology is the moe-rons out there will believe the car will drive for them while they're texting and putting on make up!

Car makers should spend the money making cars more crash worthy instead!

Zymurguy's picture

I believe deer strikes are still the leading cause of accidents in the US.

Once again, Our government is creating a crisis so it can award contracts to specific fascist companies owned by corrupt politicians.

Follow the money on this one.

If they wanted to improve cars and make them safe they'd put automatic 7.62x51mm machine guns in the nose so we could blast those deer out of the fucking way.  This could then be used to help feed the homeless.

".308 holes make invisible souls"

wakablahh's picture

If a car in front of me suddenly stops or crashes, sometimes it's safer to just switch lanes (without pushing the break) instead of violently bringing my car to a stop with no guarantee of avoiding the crash.

Professorlocknload's picture

H/T Max. Keeping the old .gov Emissions exempt equipment, as well. Cheaper to install a $5K engine than buy a $60k new truck. And the old one doesn't talk.

wee-weed up's picture

 

 

Vehicle-to-Vehicle?

I think not...

It will be Vehicle-to-NSA-to-Vehicle.

XitSam's picture

What if the government wants your car to crash into a tree.  Oops, they already have that.

Lost Word's picture

Remember Michael Hastings.

mkkby's picture

I welcome this, but anything useful is 20 years away. Next time you are in a traffic jam -- imagine if everyone could hit the accelerator at once. Everyone could go 100 mph, inches from the next car.

One big snake moving at high speed. Humans screw it up because they get scared and brake, cut in, or do any number of stupid moves. Result is gridlock.

Anyone who want to be in manual control or not have automation, should be allowed. But they should be forced into one "slow" lane. If you want to speed like a demon, computer control is required.

PT's picture

A new conduit for road rage.  Watch it escalate car - to - car before it gets mechanical!

PT's picture

Will this do?

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22blues+brothers%22+blues+mobile+megaph...

 

EDIT:  This is a more direct link to what I wanted to show yous:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/tredsite-blog-legacy-images/2011/08/blues-brothers-bluesmobile.png

Obviously I'm still not the best at using search engines (!!!????!!!)

I can't believe so few photos showed up for such an iconic vehicle!  Is the internet shrinking?

FieldingMellish's picture

The system will automatically sign you up for a term life policy (term being time to impact) with a major bank being the beneficiary and then rehypothcate your policy 100X over. After that it will use the proceeds to leverage up a massive position in said rehypothecated policies. By the time the crash happens and you are dead the system will have cashed out the profits and booked a test drive in a new Ferrari for the lucky banker.

ebworthen's picture

Deo vindice said:  "So how is this a safety thing?"

Ostensibly.  It's pre-crash kind of like the FED jiggering interest rates and doing QE.

They'll present it as a way to prevent accidents, mandate automatic braking or engine cut off.

Then when they want to control someone or lots of someone's they'll send out a:  vehicle, area, or system wide shut down.

cowdiddly's picture

Easy solution. don't buy their new cars and tell them to shove them up their A--.

zerozulu's picture

No, it gives you time to change your religion.

jay35's picture

Car signal broadcasts:

"I'm about to crash! I'm about to crash!"

"F*ck me, I'm crashing!"

*crash occurs*

Signpost on highway then updates: "Dangerous conditions ahead, citizens, prepare your anuses. And remember, pay your taxes. -This message brought to you by the Benevolent Union of Lives Liberated and Safe on the Highway Institute of Transportation agency."

Xibalba's picture

Im sure all that wifi is gonna do wonders for ya.  Meanwhile, I'm stickin to my '99 Chevy Impala. 

Oh regional Indian's picture

My second car in the US was an 88 Cutlass Sierra....what a blast that car was with it's high degree of technical sophistication but clothed in the horrendous design mind of Detroit circa 1988. 

Still, it would do 100 mph in a heartbeat (slow heartbeat) and run all day, every day. I loved the ugly beast. 

 

Unbelievable, I'm feeling nostalgia for an 88 cutlass.

ori

MeMadMax's picture

My 1988 ford econoline and escort are still rockin. Econoline is a daily driver too...

OldPhart's picture

My '49 Ford F-3, all steel, wood flatbed, has a big 'fuck you' for prius owners that randomly hit the brakes.

This could be fun.

nofluer's picture

Yeah... all you Old Car owners have already been sidelined by the govamint. You just don't keep up with things... witness your going on about how wonnaful your old cars are. As far as you go, all true.

Wanna know what you missed while you were jerking off in your vintage vehicle and dreaming of the revolution you'd lead in it?

New fuel mandates. That's what you missed. The REQUIRED E85 standards are almost upon us... and the planning for eventual E 50 is underway.

Now tell me what a fuel that's 50% alcohol will do to your gas tanks (see "separation of fuel - aka "layered contents" and "rust"), your fuel lines (see alcohol eats about everything eventually - and eventually isn't as long as it used to be.) And the least problem (from the govamint's perspective) is that old hemi, or that old 6 banger straight 6 "burning" E 50 will stutter, jerk, stop, start, die and if it eventually DOES go, it will only do about 5 mph because THERE'S NO ENERGY IN 50% GAS-O-HOLE! THE btu CONTENT HAS BEEN HALF ELIMINATED FROM THE GASOLINE!!!

The whole "save the planet by replacing gasoline with alcohol" it total unscientific Left Wing BS. You require the SAME amount of Total ENERGY to move a vehicle a given distance across the surface of the world. Blended fuel has LESS energy, so you have to burn MORE of it to go the same distance. (ie you get crappy "mileage') So you have to buy MORE "gas" to go the same distance, and in the process burning MORE gas, ie creating about the SAME amount or more of pollution - not to mention the energy wasted to MAKE the alcohol in the first place exceeds the amount of energy yielded from the alcohol. (Creation of gasohol is a negative energy process - ie TANSTAAFL!!! "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"!!!)

But driving those old muscle cars/ hot rods was fun! My brother had a 1968 Chevy Camaro SS Rally Sport with a 327 in it. The car weighed almost nothing, and went like a bat outta hell! He let me drive it ONCE... (No. I didn't wreck it.) I've never forgotten how much fun it was to drive - even doing the speed limit.)

 

jay35's picture

lol, you think they'll let you keep your "unsafe" vehicle. Or maybe they will, but you'll have to pay a Safety Tax or somesuch.

Zymurguy's picture

Yeah, I'm gonna do everything possible to keep my '96 GMC diesel running (no DEF - another fucking ripoff).  Fuck you govt!