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Mandatory "Vehicle-to-Vehicle" Communications Coming To U.S. Cars

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The vision of ‘talking’ cars that avoid crashes is well on the way to becoming a reality. And we’re not just talking about cars talking to cars, but about cars talking to bikes, trucks talking to motorcycles, and even buses talking to pedestrians. This promises to significantly reduce the number of deaths and injuries on our nation’s roads while unleashing a new wave of innovation from advanced traffic management systems and smart mobility apps to real-time traffic, transit and parking information.

 

- Scott Belcher, President and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America

Worried about “pre-crime?” What about “pre-crash?”

The geniuses at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTS) are so concerned about your “safety,” they have decided to take it into their own hands and make it mandatory that your car wirelessly communicate with other vehicles on the road. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx went so far as to say the technology could save “thousands of lives and even prevent accidents in the first place.” The concept of “pre-crash” has been born.

As in so many other aspects of life, there is a top down push to remove all control from the individual to the collective (recall the MSNBC host who proclaimed children don’t belong to their parents), typically justified within the content of the “war on terror,” and always justified with “it’s for your own good.” Apparently, we aren’t capable of making our own choices in anything any more, including something as simple as driving a car.

This push to exert control within individual vehicles is nothing new and appears to be a global phenomenon.  For instance, just last week I posted an article titled: The EU May Mandate a “Remote Stopping Device” in All Cars for Police Use.

Now we learn from The Detroit News that:

Washington— The U.S. Transportation Department said Monday it plans to propose requiring all new cars and trucks to eventually communicate with one another, which could one day help reduce up to 80 percent of crash deaths.

 

But under the tentative timetable laid out, automakers aren’t likely to be required to install the in-vehicle communication devices until around 2020 — and even then, the devices will be phased in.

 

Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration will begin working on a proposal to require vehicle-to-vehicle communication in future cars and trucks. He said he hopes to propose the regulation by the time the Obama administration leaves office in January 2017. NHTSA gives automakers at least 18 months of lead time before mandating new technology.

 

Foxx said at a news conference the technology could save “thousands of lives and even prevent accidents in the first place.”

 

Acting NHTSA chief David Friedman said the technology is a “game changer” and “nothing short of revolutionary.”

Um, sorry but if this is such a “gamer changer” and “revolutionary” why not just put it out there and see if the market adopts it. If it is as wonderful as Mr. Friedman claims, why does it need to be mandatory. No one made Bitcoin mandatory, yet it is being adopted because it genuinely is revolutionary. This guy’s statement is completely idiotic.

But major challenges need to be addressed: including ensuring that the devices would be secure — to prevent hackers couldn’t take control of the signals.

Hahaha, ok good luck with that. Just ask Target for some tips.

NHTSA also expects to decide soon whether to require future cars to have active collision avoidance systems — like automatic braking that halts a vehicle about to strike a stopped vehicle in front of it. Those systems are currently on many luxury cars.

Yeah, what could go wrong…

Greg Winfree, assistant secretary for Research and Technology, said some automakers are already researching how they could tie together vehicle-to-vehicle systems and automatic braking. Future systems would also include cars talking to sensors embedded in highways. A car could alert a highway sign that the roads were icy — and the sign could flash a warning to drivers, Winfree said. “This a technological first step,” Winfree said.

Kill me.

Scott Belcher, president and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America, the nation’s largest association representing the transportation and technology communities including major automakers and suppliers, praised the announcement.

 

“The vision of ‘talking’ cars that avoid crashes is well on the way to becoming a reality. And we’re not just talking about cars talking to cars, but about cars talking to bikes, trucks talking to motorcycles, and even buses talking to pedestrians. This promises to significantly reduce the number of deaths and injuries on our nation’s roads while unleashing a new wave of innovation from advanced traffic management systems and smart mobility apps to real-time traffic, transit and parking information,” he said.

Of course he praises it, he is probably set to make a fortune from this mandatory gulag car network.

Full article here.

 

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:27 | 4402645 konputa
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I see a bigger market for custom ECU/bypass measures in the near future. I won't have this shit in my car. I'm tired of this fucking nanny state.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:34 | 4402666 LetThemEatRand
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It's a fucking police state.   The "nanny state" meme is cover, and is designed to distinguish Red and Blue.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:39 | 4402670 Harlequin001
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Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, land of the free... yeah right...

I wonder how much the lobbyists paid for that one...

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:39 | 4402686 Deo vindice
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Doesn't 'pre-crash' still mean there will be a crash?

So how is this a safety thing?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:41 | 4402697 Skateboarder
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By safety features, they mean that it lets the gubbamin know every time you fart.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:43 | 4402708 Stackers
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So what happens when EVERYONES accelerators gets stuck at the same time ?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:46 | 4402721 Possible Impact
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Time for an antivirus update?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:09 | 4402787 pods
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Well I don't know about the rest of you but I feel safer. (that was sarcasm to the clinically inebriated)

Now if I can find my Member's only jacket and get me a fro.  

Used to love that show as a kid. I hope my car has Kit's voice.

On the bright side, I think we will be in assless chaps and a Ford Falcon before we have enough of these cars on the road to make a spit's bit of difference.

pods

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:13 | 4402796 Oh regional Indian
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Actually what everyone might be missing is that this is the rise of the machines. Human involvement is also completely linearized, boxed into cubes....totally unnatural.

The rise of the machines, the germans....whatever.

All readying for the return of Nimrod!

ori

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/13/machine-strong-human-weak/

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:20 | 4402815 fonestar
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I wouldn't worry about this.  The global economy is going to crash before the 2016 models ever hit the showroom floor.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:07 | 4402915 Rock On Roger
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Stack On

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:29 | 4402956 MeMadMax
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The OP in this chain mentions bypass market.

 

There already is....

 

Google "MegaSquirt".

Or go here for a guide: http://www.efisupply.com/efibuyersguide.pdf

Here: http://www.nitrostreet.com/efi.html

And here's a book: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/building-and-tuning-high-performance-ele...

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:54 | 4402987 James_Cole
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Bunch of luddities on here - intelligent transport systems will be great. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 03:48 | 4403078 NidStyles
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This crap belongs on planes and trains nothing else. The only people that would like this garbage are girls and boys that drive automatics which are also recognized as girls.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:30 | 4403115 Gief Gold Plox
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Oh man, hacker heaven. It's gonna be so sweet making a radio gun that instructs passing vehicles they're about to colide unless they perform an emergency stop.

Dirt bike or an adventure enduro's the way to go.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:18 | 4403197 PT
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Whatever happened to good, old-fashioned beeping the horn, sticking your head out of the window and yelling, and "hand signals"?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:33 | 4403214 negative rates
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He won't stop in snow without snow tires, but lets give him the money first and see if he can make and insure one for himself, then charge us an arm and a leg because they needed to save a dime on driving lessons. These stupid regulators and law makers are going to dig their own grave soon.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 08:13 | 4403230 GetZeeGold
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I gutted my OnStar when I accidentally push the button and found out it was still actually still working.

 

It was very disconcerting to hear two people carrying on a conversation inside my truck.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 08:52 | 4403309 kralizec
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All you have belonz to gubmint...or so they try...resist we much!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 09:30 | 4403442 Say What Again
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Just wait till some teenage commie punk hacks those systems and causes a 500 car pile-up in rush hour traffic in the middle of LA, NYC, Chicago, etc.

Then everyone will be looking for someone to blame.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 11:20 | 4403933 kralizec
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Yeah.

Same as always.  It won't be the authoritarians behind the mandate, it will be the mfgs.  And after the latter is sued into oblivion, the taxpayer will be raped yet again for another bailout of a too-big-to-fail industry.

It's like the worst parts of deja vu all over again!

Gahhhh!!!!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 13:50 | 4404441 Lost Word
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Police will be able to stop any vehicle for any reason at any time.

Police State dream.

Police State criminals will exploit it/extort it for more Police State crime.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:24 | 4403203 PT
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Hmmm, "Mandatory vehicle to vehicle communication" ... that means every new car comes with a free, built-in CB radio, right?  Right???

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:30 | 4403209 Headbanger
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"Connected Cars" infographic:

http://mashable.com/2012/05/30/meet-the-connected-car-of-the-future-info...

How can such systems prevent cars sliding into each other on slick roads or prevent a deer from jumping right in front of your car??

The stupidity about all this technology is the moe-rons out there will believe the car will drive for them while they're texting and putting on make up!

Car makers should spend the money making cars more crash worthy instead!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 09:56 | 4403560 PT
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Smeed's Law :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smeed's_law

Learn it.  Spread the word.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 11:02 | 4403847 Zymurguy
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I believe deer strikes are still the leading cause of accidents in the US.

Once again, Our government is creating a crisis so it can award contracts to specific fascist companies owned by corrupt politicians.

Follow the money on this one.

If they wanted to improve cars and make them safe they'd put automatic 7.62x51mm machine guns in the nose so we could blast those deer out of the fucking way.  This could then be used to help feed the homeless.

".308 holes make invisible souls"

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:13 | 4405149 wakablahh
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If a car in front of me suddenly stops or crashes, sometimes it's safer to just switch lanes (without pushing the break) instead of violently bringing my car to a stop with no guarantee of avoiding the crash.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:26 | 4403026 Professorlocknload
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H/T Max. Keeping the old .gov Emissions exempt equipment, as well. Cheaper to install a $5K engine than buy a $60k new truck. And the old one doesn't talk.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:22 | 4403020 wee-weed up
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Vehicle-to-Vehicle?

I think not...

It will be Vehicle-to-NSA-to-Vehicle.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 12:29 | 4404231 XitSam
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What if the government wants your car to crash into a tree.  Oops, they already have that.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:45 | 4404969 Lost Word
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Remember Michael Hastings.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 15:57 | 4408790 mkkby
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I welcome this, but anything useful is 20 years away. Next time you are in a traffic jam -- imagine if everyone could hit the accelerator at once. Everyone could go 100 mph, inches from the next car.

One big snake moving at high speed. Humans screw it up because they get scared and brake, cut in, or do any number of stupid moves. Result is gridlock.

Anyone who want to be in manual control or not have automation, should be allowed. But they should be forced into one "slow" lane. If you want to speed like a demon, computer control is required.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:58 | 4403126 ebear
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Machines and Germans, eh?

heh heh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkd7LbQnfIQ

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:47 | 4402732 alien-IQ
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Hilarity ensues.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:23 | 4403199 PT
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A new conduit for road rage.  Watch it escalate car - to - car before it gets mechanical!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 10:29 | 4403651 PT
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Will this do?

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22blues+brothers%22+blues+mobile+megaph...

 

EDIT:  This is a more direct link to what I wanted to show yous:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/tredsite-blog-legacy-images/2011/08/blues-brothers-bluesmobile.png

Obviously I'm still not the best at using search engines (!!!????!!!)

I can't believe so few photos showed up for such an iconic vehicle!  Is the internet shrinking?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:52 | 4402750 FieldingMellish
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The system will automatically sign you up for a term life policy (term being time to impact) with a major bank being the beneficiary and then rehypothcate your policy 100X over. After that it will use the proceeds to leverage up a massive position in said rehypothecated policies. By the time the crash happens and you are dead the system will have cashed out the profits and booked a test drive in a new Ferrari for the lucky banker.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:11 | 4402932 capitallosses
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And ... it's gone!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 03:47 | 4403077 theliberalliberal
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one of the best South Park episodes.....

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:59 | 4403130 ebear
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Here today... gone today!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:00 | 4402905 ebworthen
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Deo vindice said:  "So how is this a safety thing?"

Ostensibly.  It's pre-crash kind of like the FED jiggering interest rates and doing QE.

They'll present it as a way to prevent accidents, mandate automatic braking or engine cut off.

Then when they want to control someone or lots of someone's they'll send out a:  vehicle, area, or system wide shut down.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 09:26 | 4403412 cowdiddly
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Easy solution. don't buy their new cars and tell them to shove them up their A--.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:32 | 4403212 zerozulu
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No, it gives you time to change your religion.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 08:38 | 4403272 jay35
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Car signal broadcasts:

"I'm about to crash! I'm about to crash!"

"F*ck me, I'm crashing!"

*crash occurs*

Signpost on highway then updates: "Dangerous conditions ahead, citizens, prepare your anuses. And remember, pay your taxes. -This message brought to you by the Benevolent Union of Lives Liberated and Safe on the Highway Institute of Transportation agency."

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:39 | 4402688 Xibalba
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Im sure all that wifi is gonna do wonders for ya.  Meanwhile, I'm stickin to my '99 Chevy Impala. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:55 | 4402895 Oh regional Indian
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My second car in the US was an 88 Cutlass Sierra....what a blast that car was with it's high degree of technical sophistication but clothed in the horrendous design mind of Detroit circa 1988. 

Still, it would do 100 mph in a heartbeat (slow heartbeat) and run all day, every day. I loved the ugly beast. 

 

Unbelievable, I'm feeling nostalgia for an 88 cutlass.

ori

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:32 | 4402959 MeMadMax
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My 1988 ford econoline and escort are still rockin. Econoline is a daily driver too...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:21 | 4403099 OldPhart
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My '49 Ford F-3, all steel, wood flatbed, has a big 'fuck you' for prius owners that randomly hit the brakes.

This could be fun.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 12:13 | 4404189 nofluer
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Yeah... all you Old Car owners have already been sidelined by the govamint. You just don't keep up with things... witness your going on about how wonnaful your old cars are. As far as you go, all true.

Wanna know what you missed while you were jerking off in your vintage vehicle and dreaming of the revolution you'd lead in it?

New fuel mandates. That's what you missed. The REQUIRED E85 standards are almost upon us... and the planning for eventual E 50 is underway.

Now tell me what a fuel that's 50% alcohol will do to your gas tanks (see "separation of fuel - aka "layered contents" and "rust"), your fuel lines (see alcohol eats about everything eventually - and eventually isn't as long as it used to be.) And the least problem (from the govamint's perspective) is that old hemi, or that old 6 banger straight 6 "burning" E 50 will stutter, jerk, stop, start, die and if it eventually DOES go, it will only do about 5 mph because THERE'S NO ENERGY IN 50% GAS-O-HOLE! THE btu CONTENT HAS BEEN HALF ELIMINATED FROM THE GASOLINE!!!

The whole "save the planet by replacing gasoline with alcohol" it total unscientific Left Wing BS. You require the SAME amount of Total ENERGY to move a vehicle a given distance across the surface of the world. Blended fuel has LESS energy, so you have to burn MORE of it to go the same distance. (ie you get crappy "mileage') So you have to buy MORE "gas" to go the same distance, and in the process burning MORE gas, ie creating about the SAME amount or more of pollution - not to mention the energy wasted to MAKE the alcohol in the first place exceeds the amount of energy yielded from the alcohol. (Creation of gasohol is a negative energy process - ie TANSTAAFL!!! "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"!!!)

But driving those old muscle cars/ hot rods was fun! My brother had a 1968 Chevy Camaro SS Rally Sport with a 327 in it. The car weighed almost nothing, and went like a bat outta hell! He let me drive it ONCE... (No. I didn't wreck it.) I've never forgotten how much fun it was to drive - even doing the speed limit.)

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 08:43 | 4403281 jay35
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lol, you think they'll let you keep your "unsafe" vehicle. Or maybe they will, but you'll have to pay a Safety Tax or somesuch.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 11:04 | 4403862 Zymurguy
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Yeah, I'm gonna do everything possible to keep my '96 GMC diesel running (no DEF - another fucking ripoff).  Fuck you govt!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 12:24 | 4404219 nofluer
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Diesel may be the exception to the fuel standards since they can only dilute it so much until it will not be "compression combustable." And at present, just about every pound of freight that gets moved around the country gets moved by diesel fuel. (trucks, trains, etc.)

I've been planning to get a diesel PU for my next vehicle because I need a new truck anyway - and the mileage on the gasoline trucks really SUCKS! (My old '82 Chebby 350 V8 gets 8 - 10... I'd like to improve that a bit as most of the time I'm driving the truck, I'm hauling something heavy a long ways... and the mileage isn't the engine's fault. I had a 9 pass station wagon with the same engine that got about 25 mpg.)

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:59 | 4402698 Capitalist
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Only a matter of time before every car requires vehicle-to-vehicle communication devices for "your safety".

Then with a few strokes of the keyboard, a NSA hacker can send your car into oncoming traffic and your death will be proclaimed as a "terrible tragedy" caused by human error.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:05 | 4402780 Stuck on Zero
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No way.  For $49 the kid down the street will replace the ROMs with bogus code.  Your vehicle will be ID'd as an ambulance and you'll be able to run every red light in town.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:38 | 4402971 Oh regional Indian
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Brilliant and twisted, in a good way :-)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 10:03 | 4403587 PT
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I want the Corzine-Dimon Special.  You know, the car that is totally ignored but lets you control all the other cars.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:53 | 4402986 Bunga Bunga
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Every car comes with that, not only Michael Hastings'. A fascists wet dream.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:22 | 4402818 Race Car Driver
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> ...land of the free... yeah right...

No one says that anymore. It's not even implied.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:34 | 4402841 satoshi911
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The only time in all of USA history that the Plantation owners implied to the house-help, or the field-help, that they were free, is when they wanted your sorry asses to go fight in a war.

Think about in all USA history, the only time I ever heard a politician talk about freedom was when they said "We go to kill the commies cuz they want to take away our freedom"...

Or BUSH "They hate us because we're FREE",...

The only time you were ever free under BUSH/OBAMA/CLINTON, is when your dead.

*

Probably the biggest reason that they don't tell your FREE anymore is that now its an ALL paid USA mercenary army, and they don't have be told shit, ... just to go fight and get their job done.

But long ago, under and conscription system, you had to feed the public SHIT, ... SHIT about FREEDOM.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:15 | 4402930 ebworthen
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Exactly.  I'm so free I have to buy health insurance, car insurance, pay income tax, and have my phone and computer spied on.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:32 | 4402961 laomei
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The main problem disconnect is that they mandate you MUST have a thing, but then leave you to the wolves to sort it out.  It's honestly just fundamentally retarded.  Car insurance? it should be treated the same as health insurance and basic banking SHOULD be (but are not).  If there's a state minimum for insurance, then it should be the responsibility of the state to provide for those minimums in a flat out zero profit way.  Car insurance over here, I can insure at the minimum for a whopping $100 a year.  The coverage is shit, but it's better than nothing at all, and insurance companies make literally zero money on it, as the rates are dictated by the government.  Beyond that... it's market competition to meet additional demand.  We have the postal savings system which is actually quite nice as well.  Health insurance... again, there's the basic level paid for by taxes, and it's kinda shitty, but it covers most things adequately. Beyond that, you go private for the extras.  Since when was this such a difficult concept to grasp?  If society/government decides that certain things are REQUIRED, then by default it should be removed from the hands of profit-seeking shitheads either in part or on whole.  Investors be damned.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 03:47 | 4403079 Christophe2
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They do worse than just make it required and yet expensive and poorly done and served: they ALSO make it a monopoly.

 

For example, it is apparently a felony for anyone in California to propose or encourage a cancer remedy that is not one of surgery, chemotherapy or radiation therapy (the last two of which CAUSE cancer).

 

It is also unthinkable to consider a self-serve model where the information you need to solve most of your medical problems is just made freely available online, so that people can avoid having to waste so much time seeing doctors.  That is unthinkable in part because it would require that people be considered adults and responsible for their decisions, that they not require a corporate 'doctor' as gatekeeper to all life-saving 'prescription' remedies.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 09:23 | 4403409 laomei
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So... i take it you're a scientologist?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:39 | 4403216 negative rates
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You are also entitled to not need health insurance, or car insurance, or indoor plumbing, or a phone, and yes, humbly i might add the computer too. Now a car on the other hand, can get you out of a jam.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:59 | 4403168 Offthebeach
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Driving is a PRIVILEGE. .

( now get back on your assigned plot, serf. You shouldn't be traveling anyway. )

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:13 | 4403195 Testudo321
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If you like your freedom(s), you can keep your freedom(s)!

 

I on the other hand don't have to worry - I live in the EU !!!

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:46 | 4402719 Dr. Engali
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One good thing... We can drive and comment on Zero Hedge with no worries.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:02 | 4402777 LetThemEatRand
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We do have that going for us.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:13 | 4402935 Lendo
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Which is nice..

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:28 | 4403103 OldPhart
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I don't recall Zero Hedge releasing their NSA Request statistics like facebook, Google, Yahoo and MSN did...hmm?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:38 | 4403111 Ghordius
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check where ZH is legally incorporated and where it's servers are, and think again if the NSA can legally make requests, there

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:16 | 4404532 Lost Word
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No need to request for something you have already obtained by spying.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:27 | 4402829 fonestar
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Fuck you Rand!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:33 | 4402836 LetThemEatRand
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Don't you mean "Fuck you Rand, go Bitcoin and I love China!"?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:38 | 4402855 fonestar
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China seems to get Bitcoin more than most of you!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:42 | 4402871 LetThemEatRand
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I can always count on you to make my point for me.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:47 | 4402882 Dr. Engali
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That was an interesting exchange. It's almost as if Fonestar's night wouldn't be complete without some sort of engagement with you.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:56 | 4402901 Oh regional Indian
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ZH makes bedfellows strange ;-)

I remember slewie the pi rat. Sometimes... and not kindly...

ori

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:32 | 4402964 fonestar
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Likewise, you're thick and proud of it.  Unfortunately for people like you, you will find out in a real SHTF scenario life isn't a Bruce Willis movie.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:39 | 4402969 LetThemEatRand
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Touche, by which I mean Douche.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:31 | 4403105 OldPhart
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LOL!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:59 | 4402993 James_Cole
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Unfortunately for people like you, you will find out in a real SHTF scenario life isn't a Bruce Willis movie.

Lol gawddamnit!!! Such a disappointment!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:15 | 4403095 prains
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bonestar

 

why yu no bitcoin slobber? 

 

Any other topic of your personal stoopidity is way beyond your pay grade. If it's true you reside W. Can, I personally will find you after the SHTF and re-adjust ALL your stoopid o-pinions, can't fucking wait.......baby bitch....

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:09 | 4402928 Homeland Security
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Please use Bitcoin for all of your financial transactions.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:14 | 4403001 fonestar
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Correct.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:32 | 4403106 OldPhart
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Coming out party at Homeland Security's!!

Too cool!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:31 | 4403150 cossack55
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Is this just another signal that the return of the dreaded COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC SAFETY is about to occur. French is my favorite language, but only spoken by French chicks.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:39 | 4403217 -.-
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I suppose that I am going to have to fix that 1986 Honda Rebel motorcycle--no more car...
Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:33 | 4402667 The Dunce
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It's a bad idea if the government uses the tech to screw us in our keesters.  But saving lives isn't a bad thing.  I just wonder how much it will actually cost.  Word to your mother.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:40 | 4402695 HyBrasilian
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Here's an idea. Let's use MSFT software to 'save lives' while Bill Gates practices eugenics elsewhere.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:44 | 4402706 mjcOH1
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"It's a bad idea if the government uses the tech to screw us in our keesters."

If?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:34 | 4402674 NoDebt
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Been there, done that.  The problem isn't whether you can hack the system to disable it (the aftermarket can crack that stuff pretty quickly no matter how "protected" it is by the factory), it's whether you can pass inspection with that hack programmed in.  Most states, you won't pass inspection if the vehicle's programming has been modified from stock AT ALL.  And those systems are not separate "black boxes" that can be unplugged and easily defeated.  They are FULLY integrated with the other computer systems on the vehicle.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:14 | 4402809 SilverDOG
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Used car prices going up up and AWAAAAY !

Used Bitchez.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:18 | 4402946 e_goldstein
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Streets of Amerika in the future will be reminicent of Havana in the 80's.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 11:19 | 4403928 post turtle saver
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cash for clunkers says not so fast...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:20 | 4404554 Lost Word
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Vehicle inspections are not nationwide or universal.

Move to a place where inspections are not required.

Surely a better place.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:36 | 4402682 alien-IQ
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And they already passed a law that mandates all 2015 cars come with a "black box" recorder. That tracks EVERYTHING that happens in the car, from speed to turn signal use to whether you were wearing your seat belt.

That's a done deal. The law has been passed.

Oh yeah...insurance companies will have access to that information. So now you can have your premiums go up because of "how" you drive...even if you have no tickets.

It's a massive suck-fest...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:40 | 4402856 Race Car Driver
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> It's a massive suck-fest...

 

It'll get better. It's half-time in America. Relax. Enjoy the show.

 

Prepare for better.

Better. Soon.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:43 | 4402703 bunzbunzbunz
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You know, I can appreciate the anti-regulation sentiment embodied by being paranoid of all technology, but it is fairly simple for a person to realize that technology also has to keep up with just how fucking stupid people are. I would estimate at least 50% of drivers on the highway drive closer to my bumber than their reaction times can possibly allow them to brake before hitting me. So if I see a deer, stopped car, or debris and slam on my brakes, they absolutely will hit me - going 60 - 70 mph.

So clearly, car-car communications can prevent accidents, as the car behind me could immediately detect my braking and respond far faster than than human reaction time.

It is simple logic. However, yes, more automation does introduce more non-operator risk. Statistically, anything realeased to the public will be less dangerous than the public themselves. As for myself, I assume I am the best driver in the world and therefore would only be at greater risk using technology such as this. But overall, the technology would improve safety, because people are fucking stupid.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:52 | 4402747 Dr. Engali
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I say we petition president Screw to issue an executive order banning stupid people. Problem solved.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:41 | 4402869 Race Car Driver
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Laugh now.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 11:21 | 4403934 post turtle saver
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the bill will pass but the scale will slide over time... that's how they roll

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 10:43 | 4403774 PT
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You cannot eliminate stupidity.  You cannot bargain with stupidity.  You cannot wrap stupidity in cotton wool (it'll suffocate).
You can't make a fool-proof system because fools are so ingenious. 

And as I told someone else a minute ago, Smeed's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smeed's_law

Learn it.  Deal with it.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:16 | 4402941 JuliaS
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No embarassing alarm noise, no need to trouble the police... I know where this is headed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w39o6eSI06Y

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 05:35 | 4403154 cossack55
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Good grab.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:45 | 4402981 Larry Dallas
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When will the next 9/11 happen for the final grab for our remaining civil liberties? FTMFW.

Its coming. Right after the next Presidential Election. So the new president won't take the blame. Like Bush in 2001.

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:29 | 4402647 666
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How about a mandatory IQ test before being issued a driver's license?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:32 | 4402669 Pumpkin
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How about a mandatory IQ test for politicians?  I think this could solve a lot of problems.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:37 | 4402683 ziggy59
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How about politicians taking an exam to complete their election win? Test should be on the Constitution!

Everyone has to take exams to be licensed to be in a career or business, EXCEPT politicians.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:25 | 4402954 Da...Bears
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They would have to study it off of BO's butt cheeks since he's wiped his ass with it so many times that it's practically written on them.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:31 | 4402833 Tall Tom
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So you are proposing another Government Regulation? A MANDATORY IQ TEST?

 

Are you another advocate of Government solutions?

 

What do you think the Lowest Score needs to be?

 

Do you think that people with elevated IQs are not prone to impulsivity? That is a root cause behind most accidents. The Driver impulsively moves before he sees if it is clear.

 

Did you know that people with Average IQs and above amount to roughly 83% of the Population.

 

Normal IQs range from 85 to 115. That is roughly 67%...First Deviation on the Standard Bell Curve.

 

So what percentage of the Drivers need to be removed?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:02 | 4402908 Real Estate Geek
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All of 'em, especially the morons who drive slower than me and the maniacs who drive faster than me. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:37 | 4403107 OldPhart
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103% of those that don't understand your point or statistics.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:14 | 4403196 Socratic Dog
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Ehh?  83% above average?  Might want to rethink that one. Wanker.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:37 | 4403035 Jam
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How about just removing the towel from their heads.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:29 | 4402648 proLiberty
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This would also mean the total destruction of privacy of travel.   Bureaucrats may promise that "strong laws" will protect our privacy.  Tell that to the NSA.  Yet one more reason to drive and older car.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:07 | 4402923 Homeland Security
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Older cars contribute excessive amounts of the poison carbon dioxide which kills our kids, warms the globe, and causes eye cancer. You will be required to scrap the old steel cars so they can be sent to China as scrap metal, uh I mean protect your country from harm.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:38 | 4403110 OldPhart
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I think we have the reincarnation of million dollar bonus proclaiming new territory.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:30 | 4402650 Wahooo
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Good. Now I can text and drive in safety.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:30 | 4402653 NoDebt
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I'm buying an 87 Chevy Caprice tomorrow.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:04 | 4402912 Homeland Security
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Do you know how many illegals you can hide in the trunk of a 70 Caprice?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 03:32 | 4403070 Ms. Erable
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No, but it's probably a bigger number if you place them there in pieces.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 07:07 | 4403190 ratpack1968
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Not sure, but (living in Texas) I've seen two adults and their 11 kids fit inside the car.  

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 06:01 | 4403170 daneskold
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Make mine a brilliant red Barchetta

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 06:02 | 4403171 daneskold
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double post :/

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:29 | 4402654 knicks3005
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Road Ragers are going to have a field day with this kind of technology. 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:31 | 4402661 alien-IQ
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I guess asking people to learn how to fucking drive would be going too far?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:37 | 4402663 Dr. Engali
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Fuck that. Give me a 1970 Chevelle SS 454 convertible so I can drive fast and take chances all I want. This risk free society is no fun.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:41 | 4402702 HyBrasilian
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You didn't avoid that accident

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:37 | 4402858 Tall Tom
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If you want your risk of accident then you can keep your risk of accident.

 

My bet is that they will mandate that ALL CARS must be modified.

This will, of course, be economically unfeasible for Older Model Cars without Computerized Systems and thus create a demand for New (and less polluting...yeeech) Cars.

 

Do you think that the Auto Manufacturer's Lobby might have had something to do with this?

 

Boycott all Auto Manufacturers and do not purchase any new cars. Starve them out.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:46 | 4402722 alien-IQ
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By then, they'll declare a Chevelle SS a WMD and the driver a "terrorist"...especially a Chevelle with a 454.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:01 | 4402910 Homeland Security
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454 Chevelles are already on the watch list. No one needs that much excitement in their life.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 09:16 | 4403375 eurogold
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My first car was a 1974 Buick Elektra Custom Sedan from my parents with all the trimmings  and a 455cc V8. It was like my own rolling livingroom. I  loved that car so bad......till one day I blew the engine. RIP

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:26 | 4404577 Lost Word
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455 CI

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:34 | 4402665 One And Only
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Maybe if the government cares about us so much they can chew our food and regurgitate it into our mouths like baby birds. Ya know, to make sure we're getting equal nutrition.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:41 | 4402696 Deo vindice
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Please don't give them any more ideas.

Someone, somewhere in the government is just liable to pick that concept up and run with it.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:35 | 4402672 22winmag
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My 1976 Oldsmobile to the Prius in the next lane... "I want you in my belly!"

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:39 | 4403112 OldPhart
Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:36 | 4402678 The Gooch
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I'm resurrecting a 1957 Chevy 3100 for the occasion.

In addition to no silicon valley, the thieves can't figure out 3 on the tree.

 

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:50 | 4402957 Deo vindice
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.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 04:40 | 4403113 OldPhart
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Wait til they try granny gear.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:36 | 4402681 gbresnahan
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This is yet another step in the wrong direction.  We need to continue working to remove power from the collective and restoring it to the individual.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:42 | 4402701 blindman
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Firesign Theater - How Can You Be in Two Places at Once (1969) (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCzgdF_WjOg
.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:38 | 4402857 samsara
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....If you are not anywhere at all.....

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 02:43 | 4403039 Professorlocknload
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"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers."

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 08:21 | 4403240 blindman
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every time i go to those driver safety classes
they tell me, "remember, driving is not a right,
it is a privilege." i'm usually the only one in the
room who thinks that requires a longer discussion.
after all, the idea is to get out of that training
class as soon as possible and get that 10 percent
insurance reduction.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:43 | 4402711 El Vaquero
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even buses talking to pedestrians

How the fuck is a fucking bus going to talk to me if I am walking down the sidewalk?  Hmmm?  I'm not going to pull a smartphone out just to converse with a fucking bus when I see it driving down the road.  Fucking retard.  Take your NSA approved ideas and go fuck yourself and leave me to my OBD1 vehicle. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:45 | 4402873 Tall Tom
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Your Phone transmits location and status data continuously...even when it is turned off.

 

If you are carrying your Cell Phone that Bus Computer will know your location and become aware of the possible hazard that you may become...by attempting to earn a Darwin Award and step in front of the Bus impulsively while not looking.

 

People who do that NEED to earn the Darwin Award. That eliminates the weak and feeble minded.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:50 | 4402883 El Vaquero
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People who do that NEED to earn the Darwin Award. That eliminates the weak and feeble minded.

No argument with that.

 

I think a big problem is that a person can be walking along on the sidewalk, then all of a sudden step off the curb much, much faster than the bus can stop.  I suppose there's also knowing where the bus is if you're waiting for it, but the technology for that has been around for a while. 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 16:59 | 4409026 mkkby
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No, each pedestrian must have an embedded RFID chip/transponder so buses/cars/trains know they are there. Cell phone is unreliable -- can be turned off or battery dead.

Every person, and even pets, must be chipped so the traffic can avoid them. Otherwise you are a terrorist and the bus should actively target you for run down.

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