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Argentine Banking System Archives Destroyed By Deadly Fire

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While we are sure it is a very sad coincidence, on the day when Argentina decrees limits on the FX positions banks can hold and the Argentine Central Bank's reserves accounting is questioned publically, a massive fire - killing 9 people - has destroyed a warehouse archiving banking system documents. As The Washington Post reports, the fire at the Iron Mountain warehouse (which purportedly had multiple protections against fire, including advanced systems that can detect and quench flames without damaging important documents) took hours to control and the sprawling building appeared to be ruined. The cause of the fire wasn’t immediately clear - though we suggest smelling Fernandez' hands...

 

 

We noted yesterday that there are major questions over Argentina's reserve honesty...

While first print is preliminary and subject to revision, the size of recent discrepancies have no precedent. This suggest that the government may be attempting to manage expectations by temporarily fudging the "estimate " of reserve numbers (first print) while not compromising "actual" final reported numbers. If this is so, it is a dangerous game to play and one likely to back-fire.

 

During a balance of payments crisis - as Argentina is undergoing - such manipulation of official statistics (and one so critical for market sentiment) is detrimental to the needed confidence building around the transition in the FX regime.

And today the government decrees limits on FX holdings for the banks...

Argentina’s central bank published resolution late yday on website limiting fx position for banks to 30% of assets.

 

Banks will have to limit fx futures contracts to 10% of assets: resolution

 

Banks must comply with resolution by April 30

And then this happens...

Via WaPo,

Nine first-responders were killed, seven others injured and two were missing as they battled a fire of unknown origin that destroyed an archive of bank documents in Argentina’s capital on Wednesday.

 

The fire at the Iron Mountain warehouse took hours to control...

 

The destroyed archives included documents stored for Argentina’s banking industry, said Buenos Aires security minister Guillermo Montenegro.

 

The cause of the fire wasn’t immediately clear.

 

Boston-based Iron Mountain manages, stores and protects information for more than 156,000 companies and organizations in 36 countries. Its Argentina subsidiary advertises that its facilities have multiple protections against fire, including advanced systems that can detect and quench flames without damaging important documents.

 

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“There are cameras in the area, and these videos will be added to the judicial investigation, to clear up the motive of the fire and collapse,” Montenegro told the Diarios y Noticias agency.

 

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:58 | 4404726 walküre
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That's how its done. That's how they roll over there.

Bankers, pay attention. Banker's residences go up in flames next.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:01 | 4404744 redpill
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Socialists are never very imaginative are they

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:03 | 4404767 THX 1178
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Was Tyler being sarcastic about that first line? I beleive so???

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:05 | 4404773 Gief Gold Plox
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Noobs! Don't they know you tweak banking systems only on Friday evenings?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:08 | 4404789 SMG
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"a very sad coincidence"

LOL

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:12 | 4404807 Temporalist
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These are clearly acts of god and he must hate those pieces of paper.

Trillions of Dollars of Securities May Have Been Destroyed by Hurricane Sandy

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-05/trillions-dollars-securi...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:12 | 4404819 FEDbuster
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Reminds me of the boating accident I had with all my guns and bullion on board.....

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:22 | 4404864 eclectic syncretist
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Are any of the nine dead bankers?  Don't count them at the trial.  They're not human.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:25 | 4404875 J S Bach
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Kinda like World Trade Center 7's controlled demolition collapse where all those trillions of dollars in un-accounted-for pentagon spending documents went "poof".

 

Very sad and - I'm sure - innocent coincidence.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:35 | 4404909 ACP
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Loca chinga Christina!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:46 | 4404989 Boris Alatovkrap
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Do not cry for me!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:56 | 4405047 palmereldritch
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Is torch song?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:01 | 4405094 TruthInSunshine
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It was either going to be fire or hijacked airliners.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:25 | 4405227 HardlyZero
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Argentine Bank Holiday over the weekend ?

New template ?

(RIP first responders, sad reason to put life on the line)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:59 | 4405405 Yes We Can. But...
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Iron Mountain is redundant.

Banking records, like all records, are now permanently stored in Utah.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:59 | 4405443 Thought Processor
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Maybe why the NSA is getting so much heat these days.   They have too much power, so much so that they could single handedly expose everything that is going on.   Hence the manufactured heat from virtually all other sides.  

ONI was invoved in a large and growing investigation on finance related corruption and more at the time of 9/11.

Now guess who's office was hit in the Pentagon (Navy ONI office).  

And then guess where the back up files were located (DOD office in WT7).

(Edit- added) In addition, the floors hit in both towers were almost exactly where the two major trading firms being investigated were housed.

 

All documented.  It was simple destruction of evidence.

And why Saudi hijackers?  The Saud's and the US (mostly thru the CIA) have been working together closely since their future's were glued together when the petro-dollar was created.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:17 | 4407011 Gankfest
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Building 9 will not be forgotten.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:04 | 4407056 old naughty
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Convenient act !

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 08:24 | 4407208 GetZeeGold
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Banker's residences go up in flames next.

 

You must mean......again.

 

RIP Edmond Safra....yes the billionaire did have bodyguards....thanks for asking.

http://money.cnn.com/1999/12/03/worldbiz/safra/

 

Please review this instuctional video before trying this on your own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG_TIgZeErw

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 07:06 | 4407200 commoncourtesy
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Hope there is no paperwork at Yellowstone National Park - http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/263-pat

A Terrorist Attack appears to have been attempted for several hours yesterday-into-today, against Yellowstone National Park.

Apologies. Reprimand understood - must always include source of info. Will remember in future.

 

 

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 08:57 | 4407305 disabledvet
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no plan survives the first point of contact.

all these "documents" exist in cyberspace.

now you're creating data points.

this "conspriracy" makes no sense.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 14:59 | 4408550 Deliverator
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no plan survives the first point of contact.

all these "documents" exist in cyberspace.

now you're creating data points.

this "conspriracy" makes no sense.

The 'documents' in cyberspace can be easily altered, timestamps included. And with no hardcopy to check them against, they must be taken at face value... or rather, they will now be used with the expectation they will be taken at face value.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:04 | 4406519 Stuck on Zero
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Maybe the IT guy goofed up and ordered "accelerant" instead of an "accelerator."

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:34 | 4406609 BLOTTO
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Someone(s) did indeed fan the fire faster...

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:01 | 4406817 0b1knob
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Ever read the book  "Report from Iron Mountain"?   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_from_Iron_Mountain

Hoax or real government plan?  Read it online here:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_ironmountain0.htm

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:05 | 4406946 prains
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funny how an analog fire can ruin a digital world or did i miss something?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:11 | 4407009 Zero Point
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Don't tell fonestar that.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:44 | 4406257 ebworthen
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Where's Madonna when you need her?

Evita?  Donde esta?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:17 | 4406964 jeff montanye
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while one is crying for argentina, spare a tear for london and new jersey:

"If the cause is found to be arson, it wouldn’t be the first time for Boston-based Iron Mountain Inc., which manages, stores and protects information for more than 156,000 companies and organizations in 36 countries. Fire investigators blamed arson for blazes that destroyed its warehouses in New Jersey in 1997 and London in 2006, prompting rounds of legal claims over lost records."

(from the washington post c/o jesse)


Thu, 02/06/2014 - 09:13 | 4407339 TrumpXVI
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"No llora para me, Argentina, la, la,la,la, la, la, la, la, la...."

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:07 | 4405039 Pegasus Muse
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Poor Christina and her besieged government. Surely, they'd never consider doing anything like burning down a building in order to destroy official documents. Where would she ever get an idea like that? Sounds like one of those conspiracy theory tin-foil hat wearers forget to take his meds ... /sarc

"The only time I commit to conspiracy theories is when something way retarded happens. Like Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone." –Joe Rogan

"Or like 19 radical muslims armed with box cutters and zero ability to fly a commercial airliner managed to bring down three buildings with two planes in New York City"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDig3Fu8WU

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:17 | 4406165 Xibalba
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Looks like it's their 9/11

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:10 | 4406351 disabledvet
Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:08 | 4406539 wee-weed up
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How does one say Reichstag in Argentinian Spanish?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:38 | 4406978 Tall Tom
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I believe that the proper translation is, "Argentina Banco Central". Yes. That must be it.

 

Yes. Typing it into Google Translate and it returns this. Boy those guys are just on top of their game over at Google.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 04:17 | 4407118 sadmamapatriot
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Christina is a naughty, naughty girl!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:03 | 4406521 Raging Debate
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Brilliant Bach - I was about to comment the same but add something about Sandy Burger getting caught literally with classified documents in his pants.
Whether this .gov did 911 as an inside job or not I always felt this way:
Why the fuck are you taxing me up the ass for a massive intelligence and defense department when a bunch of ragheads with boxcutters can bring our entire country to its knees? I think we will eventually know the truth but those responsible by either direct treason or malfeasance will be dead by then. Similar to our government funding Hitler or JFK assassination.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:48 | 4406657 Tall Tom
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Kinda like World Trade Center 7's controlled demolition collapse where all those trillions of dollars in un-accounted-for pentagon spending documents went "poof".

 

Not exactly. The Pentagon is where those documents were burned up. Right where the missile...ooops...er...plane hit.

 

The Enron Price Fixing papers, the Gold AntiTrust papers, the Citigroup/WorldCom fraud papers, and a whole lot of other sordid scandals and fraud were stored at WTC #7.

 

Yes. This is the methodology of Socialist Governments. We just torch ours with Aircraft and Human Sacrifices to Baal and Baphomet.

 

Hope that clarifies it.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:26 | 4404881 I Am Not a Copp...
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No - all Firefighters.  Damn shame.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:35 | 4404921 walküre
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They died and risked their lives in an attempt to save fucking documents that sealed the nation's fate as an eternal debt slave to the IMF, World Bank, Rothschilds, Goldmans, JPMs, Douche Bank and so on?

How fucked up is that?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:41 | 4404956 Occident Mortal
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Indeed,

Nine guys not going home tonight.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:17 | 4405175 TruthInSunshine
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"They died and risked their lives in an attempt to save fucking documents that sealed the nation's fate as an eternal debt slave to the IMF, World Bank, Rothschilds, Goldmans, JPMs, Douche Bank and so on?

How fucked up is that?"

-- As was told to Jason Bourne in the Bourne Identity, and repeated by Jason Bourne in sequel that was The Bourne Supremacy, "[L]ook at what they make you give."

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:34 | 4405287 LawsofPhysics
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Fucked up?  More like completely predictable. The evidence is now destroyed.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:48 | 4405356 HardlyZero
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What evidence ?   What Gold ?  There was a reason many banksters move to Argentina...they have a pro-Mafia or pro-Crime culture (many are ex-European too).

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:03 | 4405425 walküre
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Essentially all recent wars have been fought over some sort of paper that sealed the nation's fate. It was typically debt paper and well coordinated international treaties and pacts to ensure all nations would be drawn into conflict. Millions upon millions died

Bankers are richer than ever. Rothschild is bigger than ever.

The House of Rothschild needs to die and be eliminated. Nobody will fill that void again, ever. Case of fractional reserve lending plague almost closed.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:09 | 4405698 CH1
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Too bad there isn't some new way to work entirely aorund them.

Oh wait.. THERE IS!

Too bad that the fake free marketers want to kill it!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:33 | 4406598 Raging Debate
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Walkure - I have always enjoyed your commentary. Justice will be served, I know there fate. What happens to them will be a complete surprise and is science based. I do pray for them to fund beneficial ventures but the odds are against it. They view themselves as gods. Where are the Pharaohs who had advanced mathematical knowledge now? Or the Caesars?

The good news is as a species we will endure and indeed understand our original form - energy - to the point of evolving into something far more interesting. Conquest of natural resources will become completely irrelevant.

However, the struggle for balance will continue a bit even after the Rothchild's. Peace to all of you! Those who live by the sword will die by it in the next decade. Show leadership and look after others. Above all hedge as best you can against multiplying danger and risk. Keep your eye simple, try and get outside more often, read scientific publications to see we are likely less then a century or two from immortality rather then succumb to fear. Mankind's long term future is bright despite this new cycle of temporary darkness.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:50 | 4406916 walküre
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True words and peace to you. We see things in the same light. Among the like minded spirits here, we can speak plain truth and verbally clear our hearts. Unmitigated anger and rage are a threat to sane judgement and reason! The line of argument is becomng more and more refined. The facts are what they are and we do have a case against them! Mankind's progression as a species and cilivization are impossible under the joke of this parasitic cabal.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 09:42 | 4407448 Raging Debate
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Thank you for the compliment Walkure. Evolution just IS and if one wishes to have satisfaction in this world it requires looking the the mirror daily to develop maturity.

Taking a big step back I can say I am proud of the restraint shown by the people to evolve past bad systems in monetary matters in an attempt to compete (such a Bitcoin) fairly rather then use violence.

I may not win a popularity contest for saying this here but reaching out to leadership to help them communicate with the people in a neutral setting is important. I will report a couple retired CB's contacted me when they saw this attempt online. When I launched this social network concept aimilar to ZH but far more robust and inclusive in feature and intent, they called me. I am stating I guess that we tend to paint too broad a brush at times. Note how banking is investing in a Bitcoin.

They are doing it belatedly and certainly they have the power of entire empire to crush the competition rather than fund it. That is vision and a more positive reaction then in days past. Sure their intent is to control it and eventually some group will corrupt it but the current evolvement is a positive going forward the next few decades. To improve capitalism, banking must become far more utilitarian.

I look at economic models and believe they should change with the times. Laissez Faire has run its course over 40 years. The main arguments come into play with those that do not recognize its time for Austrian economics the next twenty years and returning to a virtuous cycle of save and invest. The term short term pain for long term gain seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the line. "Perpetual Growth" can never be sustained but we ALL want it to and hence irrationality and disconnect in behavior by leadership that is more insulated from change the you or I.

Mankind can exchange information on the Internet to create endless solutions rapidly. I condemn Alan Greenspan not merely because of hubris but because of the symptom of closed mindedness it creates. He stated clearly in 2004 that monetary matters were not open for debate by CB. That attitude is what "we" both leader and non must get beyond, the rest of cleaning up this disaster is semantics.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:53 | 4405654 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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"There are cameras in the area, and these videos will be added to the judicial investigation, to clear up the motive of the fire and collapse"

Wanna bet there's another fire in the bldg holding the video?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:04 | 4406524 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Yeh, but there will be cameras watching that building . . . . . . . . . 

 

Holy shit, the entire world is about to be burnt down.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:56 | 4406672 Tall Tom
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Well if you set out to do something you might as well do it large....

 

It is only the Planet after all. No big deal.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:34 | 4406766 Unknown User
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Hopefully something more imaginative, like sewer gas explosion.

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 08:18 | 4407237 ZeroPoint
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The DOD edited the footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon on 9/11. Do you honestly think the Argentinian public will get to see the raw footage from the fire?

 

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:57 | 4405062 quasimodo
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The elite don't give a flying fuck, simply the cost of doing "business".......it's time "they" stared getting blue collar jobs and respond to a deadly fire or similiar.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:11 | 4405148 DollarMenu
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The quoted report states "nine first responders were killed".

I wonder, just how did they die?

What did they see before they died?

My God have mercy on the faithful doing their jobs.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:11 | 4405471 icanhasbailout
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What term of honor is most appropriate for a first responder at a concentration camp?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:46 | 4406464 Head_Shots_Work
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They probably saw a team of elite troops representing the 'powers that be' holding rifles - that's what they saw. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:10 | 4406541 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Hahahaha, why does god always have to provide mercy after the fact, why can't this entity of yours prevent the suffering in the first place. Just words spewed forth over and over and over and over and over again until the idea is well and truly entrenched in the neural structure of the brain and no longer possible to distinguish from reality. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:39 | 4406623 Yes_Questions
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Blaspheme!

 

There's no propaganda intended to steer people to dogma of organized religion..

 

Blasphemer!!!!

 

;

 

On another note, may the dead be in peace and the weight of karmic debt fall appropriately on the souls responsible.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:19 | 4406741 Tall Tom
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That is a question that tests many people's faith. Why would a All Powerful God allow suffering and misery on such a vast scale and not do something to prevent it?

 

Well I am pleased that you do not BLAME the events upon God. But that is expected as you do not believe in God in the first place.

 

I do not know if you have children, yet. But I have allowed mine, ones whom I was responsible for, the experience, the extremely painful experience, of failure. At any point I could have intervened and have stopped the circumstances. I chose not to as they needed to learn from the mistakes. Now this did not mean that I let them die of suffer terrible injury. But it was done so they do not die and suffer terrible injury.

 

Allowing them the freedom to fail is an act of Love.

 

So what I am asking is that you suspend your disbelief for a moment. Maybe this might make sense. Maybe not. But I am going to give it my best effort.

 

In God's eyes you are like a child. He gives you the Freedom to make choices in Life. He gives everyone that choice. (Other than Babies whom have a Free Ticket into Heaven.)

 

But to God this Life is a TEMPORAL experience. It is very limited when compared to an ETERNITY. If someone dies a Physical Death it is not a big deal to God as He has provided the way to have an Eternal Life.

 

He allows everyone Free Will. Some will abuse that Freedom and harm others. The Father knows this. So He let's it happen because the scope of Eternity is just so much greater than the scope of the Temporal.

 

While everything has already been pre determined it is only because he transcends time and already knows the outcome. However to you who are in the Temporal Realm of Space Time, since you do not have the prescient knowledge and cannot discern all that will happen, you have Free Will.

 

Now you can return to your disbelief if YOU CHOOSE. But it is YOUR CHOICE, whatsoever it is that you may choose.

 

I can program a robot to sing to me terms of endearment. But having the woman of your dreams do that...there is nothing which surpassses that.

Free will. Choose it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOyQhgM1FU

 

I like the Rock Group Rush.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:32 | 4406872 Yes_Questions
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me too and to wit:

I don't believe in destiny
Or the guiding hand of fate
I don't believe in forever
Or love as a mystical state
I don't believe in the stars or the planets
Or angels watching from above
But I believe there's a ghost of a chance we can find someone to love
And make it last...

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:02 | 4406924 Tall Tom
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So many things I think about
When I look far away
Things I know -- things I wonder
Things I'd like to say
The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown
We suspend our disbelief
And we are not alone

Mystic rhythms -- capture my thoughts
And carry them away
Mysteries of night escape the light of day
Mystic rhythms -- under northern lights

Or the African Sun
Primitive things stir
The hearts of everyone

We sometimes catch a window
A glimpse of what's beyond
Was it just imagination
Stringing us along?
More things than are dreamed about
Unseen and unexplained
We suspend our disbelief
And we are entertained

Mystic rhythms -- capture my thoughts
And carry them away
Nature seems to spin
A supernatural way
Mystic rhythms -- under city lights
Or a canopy of stars
We feel the powers
And we wonder what they are
We feel the push and pull
Of restless rhythms from afar.

 

Mystic Rhythms...Rush

 

People change as they grow and learn.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:49 | 4406990 Yes_Questions
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Mystic Rythms: Power Windows album 1985

 

Ghost of a Chance: Roll The Bones album 1991

 

yes, people do grow and I'll leave you with this from 2002, with nothing more than appreciation for this exchange..

 

Peaceable Kingdom:  Vapor Trails:

 

Dream of a peaceable kingdom
Dream of a time without war
The ones we wish would hear us
Have heard it all before

 

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:05 | 4406981 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Just not good enough Tall Tom.

It is very easy to gloss over the suffering that occurs in this world with a sentence that pays lip service only to it.

The majority of theists are willfully ignorant of the scale and true horror or what occurs on a daily basis. Torture, famine, disease, rape, slavery, where does one stop. 

You manage to bend, dare I say contort this into evidence of a gods love. No, no, no, you're not getting away with it. It'd be an interesting test of your own faith if any of this suffering befell your own children. For a second I would not wish this on you or anyone on the face of this earth but I find your dismissal of suffering as incredibly disengenuous when you happen to be born white, I assume in the States and with all the food and clean water and luxuries in life to boot.

Very easy, when in your position, to be philosophical about all the suffering, oh shit, who cares anyway, it happens to others.

Tell me though, as a child is being penetrated by a catholic priest, either vaginally or anally, either hole, what do you think god has in mind for this child. What lessons do you think god is instilling in the child. Is it love. When a Ugandan baby is torn in half from the legs, ripped ascunder until their intestines spill out onto the ground, what all encompassing lesson does god have for that child.

You see, it's too horrible for us to process so theists either ignore it or use incredibly twisted logic to bend reality to their god made the universe, god loves me, reality. The problem is we are most;y educated now and we have the capability to recognise this as confirmation bias, arguably a mental disorder. We all display it, I do as well, it's inherent in our pyschology.

All the horror, the gut wrenching brutal horror that we see on an unimaginable scale, perpetrated against good and descent human beings, against innocent and virtuous children - this is not a world watched over by a god, this is a godless world. How does an atheist like myself cope with this. How can I rationalise it. Ironically I find it alot easier to rationalise than someone who believes in god. It just is. This is just life at this present point in time. It may change, it may not. 

I'd be curious to know how you have been, dare I say, indoctrinated with the god concept. You've gone to alot of effort to make the irrational seem rational.  Can you imagine for example a universe in which there is a god an an earth where the people don't suffer, where people still have free will but the all powerful god intervenes as soon as there is about to be a horrible injustice, horrible suffering. And in this world, because god appears and actually intervenes, people learn very quickly they'd better not be fucking brutal sadistiic assholes because god is there and they will be sent to hell for eternity so he doesn't need to intervene very often. Can you imagine that this world would be a darn side better to live in because we'd know, plainly and simply that there is accountability.

Finally if we lived in a godless world what would it be like? Would there be horrible suffering, horrible brutality, horrible disease. Mmmmm, this has striking similarities to the world we occupy.

 

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:08 | 4407060 effendi
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BringOnThe Asteroid

The amount of suffering in this world is far less because of Thiests. Plenty of people don't do evil because of their belief (either because they fear Gods wrath or because they want to uphold Gods commandments to love thy neighbour). So we don't live in a Godless world and that world would be far worse than this one.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 07:20 | 4407168 Tall Tom
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Testing my Faith? LMAO.

Do you really think that I haven't had evil befall me or those whom I love?

I was severely abused as a child. If you think that I lack empathy then you are so far out there. It is far easier to have empathy when you have suffered the experience yourself.

It is funny that you even suggest that. NOW I AM NOT ASKING FOR A PITY PARTY.

First off I was born with Brain Damage.

I had Cerebral Palsy as a child. The fortunate aspect is that the Brain is pretty plastic and it regenerates...especially throughout the formative years

My adoptive mother had a lesbian partner. Her lesbian partner, while being the best educator which I have ever known, was rather abusive. She had me reading books by the time that I was Two Years Old. But she was a mean bitch. When caught smoking Cigarettes at the age of Three she took me and my adoptive brother over to the Electric Stove and placed our hand on the Red Hot Grill saying, "This is what happens to little boys who play with fire." Do you think for a moment that did not burn into my memory?

Obviously she had some extremely good points. She was the best educator that I ever met.

Do you think this gets any better? Not really.

My adoptive mother dies when I was 4 Years old.

Well she was extremely wealthy. So she left a will that split her entire estate between my adoptive brother and myself.

But the court threw that will out...along with 71 other wills that were produced at Probate.

Now my adoptive mother had Two Biological Children (a man and woman, who were in their Thirties), myself (age Four), and my adoptive Brother (age Six), at the time this happened.

The judge spilt the Estate into Four Equal divisions and exacted a large Estate Tax Bill in the process. (Of course he ruled to make sure that the Government could get as large of a cut as possible.)

So custody of my adoptive brother and myself was awarded to her Biological Son. He was a married man and a Divorce Lawyer.

Now you might think that life would be good. There is a lot of MONEY after all.

Well at first they attempted to get rid of us. I remember being taken to a home filled with Thalidomide victim children. I was not disabled enough.  Thank God I was not placed there. Then they took us to a Militray Academy to attempt to dump us on them. But they did not want to deal with a Disabled Child.

So they were stuck with the BURDEN. After all they wanted the MONEY.

My LATE Adoptive Mother's Biological son was a drunk, envious that the "UNDESERVING BASTARDS" received any money at all. After all, technically my adoptive brother and myself were both "Bastards" as we were born out of wedlock. He was very literal. I remember the fights between him and his wife. I also remember the beatings that we received when he was drunk as he was envious, angry, and spiteful.

Finally his wife had enough of his abuse toward HER. So she devised a plan to Divorce him and obtain custody of my adoptive brother and myself and immediate control of the estates which she ultimately bled dry anyway.

Half of her plan worked out. She did divorce him. In the very first time in the state of California custody of Minor Children unrelated to the plantiff was awarded. The ruling wrote Case Law.  But Arizona would not yield the control of the estate in one lump sum. So she bled it dry slowly.

So I suffered neglect for the next Eleven Years while growing up. Beatings to few beatings and neglect was an improvement I guess. I left out some of the sordid details. I can be much more descriptive.

But the woman stole most of the estate. She had bled the funds dry.

Of course the Government did not protect my interests after paying them that Probate Tax Money. And just because something is gifted to you does NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS YOURS.

It wasn't the best childhood. I am certain that many others have been mistreated much worse. The Gift just ended up being a curse.

Of course the Cerebral Palsy symptoms abated throughout this period. That is a GOOD THING.

So I hooked up with a Girlfriend, chased her pregnant butt out to Pennslyvania (my child which she miscarried), and became infected with Lyme Disease as a result.

So I ridded myself of one affliction just to acquire another.

YEAH. WHERE IS GOD IN ALL OF THIS??? WHERE IS GOD WITH ALL OF THE CRAP AND ABUSE THAT THERE WAS TO FOLLOW??? WHERE IS GOD WHEN I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CHRONIC PAIN OF LYME DISEASE???

I broke my ankle on May 13, 2011, Friday the 13th, on the weight bearing bone. I walked out of the Hospital without a cast on a Broken Bone. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT PAIN AND ANY OTHER PAIN THAT IS AFFLICTING MY BODY 24/7/365 WITHOUT RELIEF.

WHERE IS GOD IN ALL OF THIS???

Personally, first, I only HAVE EIGHT HUNGRED THOUSAND REASONS TO NUKE YOUR SOCIETY. ($800,000 Estate, a Quarter Share of a $3.2 Million Estate) 

 

TO ADD TO THAT LYME DISEASE is a GENETICALLY ENGINEERED DISEASE FROM THE PLUM ISLAND FACILITY. IT WAS MODIFIED FOR BACTERIOLOGICAL WARFARE.

I CANNOT QUANTIFY THE REASONS FOR NUKING YOUR SOCIETY FOR HAVING YOUR GOVERNMENT WHICH CREATED THIS MONSTROUSITY.

I think that is the reason why God revealed the proof of His Existence to me...SO I DO NOT ACT.

With me it is not a question of Faith.

I am doing the best that I can to forgive. I am doing the best that I can to forget.

I am still working through the anger issues, through the rage issues.

I was recollecting something crazy that I did as a Two Year Old to my Foster Mother. She was astonished, at first, when I told her of that recollection. Then I told my Foster Mother, "I remember EVERYTHING". You ought to have seen the look of Horror that came over her face. That was the last time that I spoke to her. She has passed on now.

I cannot forget.

AND I STILL BELIEVE AND PLACE MY FAITH AND HOPE IN GOD.

WITH ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME AND ALL OF THE HORRIFIC EVENTS WHICH YOU HAVE DESCRIBED I CANNOT PLACE MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS THAT IS ABSOLUTELY IRRATIONAL.

HUMANS ARE FUCKED UP AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE FOR THE WORLD.

Now shall I tell you about how my Three Year Old Nephew was being Buttfucked by his Step Brother?

 

 

 

So now that I dumped a little bit of my story, my testimony, it seems that you have also suffered abuse.

Will you care to share it? 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 07:53 | 4407227 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Ball tearer of a story Tall Tom, ball tearer.

As far as abuse goes, no, I have been fated an unbelievbale existence, one I ponder daily, almost without fail.

As far as suffering, what human hasn't to some extent but I've fought severe depression since I was late teens that has taken me to the brink many, many times. I have, however, learnt a marvellous word throughout this experience, my favourite word in the English language: endure. I reflect on this word with many people I speak to who have been through or are going through hardship. It is a marvellous word and is all you need to know many a time. I've thought many times I'd much rather have to deal with a physical problem, in place of a severely malfunctioning brain, but through it all, it has been a phenomenally positive experience. If anything in this world helps you learn compassion for others, it's depression. No dount Cerebral Palsy wreaks it's own type of hell, there are many, too many afflictions that test the human condition. Depression is a special brand of hell, one of those things that is utterly subjective and can only be understood through direct experience I imagine. I've contemplated the effects at length and the obsession with suicide it invokes, deeply interesting in a purely physiological sense. Being introspective the introspection doesn't stop during massive boughts of depression, almost as if I can seperate a tiny piece of my brain as a note taker, ring fenced from the fucking nightmarish hell. What I have discovered is that the brains sense of time is severaly impaired so the concepts of past and future are compressed into nothingness. In this state you'd be surprised how the very sense of self you take for granted is decimated. Without a sense of past or future you become nothing, a point in time, no bearing, and to cap it off that point in time really blows. So to commit suicide is to only destroy an insignificant nothingness, so who cares. This I think is the reality many people going theorugh depression face without recognising what they are actually experiencing.

So abuse at the hands of another human, I have never been so unlucky. I ponder it though to degrees few people could imagine. I ponder alot though. I don't kill ants or spiders, I pick up hapless bees from the sea shore and release them back to a flower. I look at a snail on the side walk and ferry it to the safey of a nearby bush because I appreciate the billions of predecessors that have led to this organism at this point in time. What a tradegy for this snail to be squashed under the boot of a person who couldn't care less, who couldn't appreciate the magnificent depth of time, the trillions upon trillions of chemical reactions that have taken place to lead to such a strange and alien organism, the incredible chain of uninterupted reactions to get here, now. Thus I am deeply mystified by the opposite end of the scale, the horror perpetrated only by higher organisms, chimps, killer whales, humans. I try not judge it, just observe it, absorb it - but I struggle. I've scoured history to understand what it is humans are truly capable of and I can't even begin to, nor would I want to share what I know. It is too indescribably horrible to even begin. A book I read early on in my life called Tears of Blood, by Mary Craig was one such text that triggered a personal quest to know, know what huamsn are capable of and it is just to bad to contemplate. Just too bad.

What you and I have been through is not what I am talking about when I talk about suffering. What you have been through is vastly worse that what I have as suffering at the hands of others is hard to comprehend and more difficult to deal with, I imagine, but on the grand scale this doesn't even scratch the surface. I do not mean to down play your personal experience because if it happens, and it's horrible nothing can detract from this. What I have learnt though dispells any notion, any possibilty of a caring personal god, categorically. I still don't mind if the universe was created by a god and there is testable evidence but I have learnt alot about the human mind and this is really the only game in town. The human mind. The inner universe. The second universe. The internal model. We struggle to seperate the internal model, the thoughts, from the external reality. In the end it doesn't really matter what the hell anyone believes, the word itself is silly and doesn't really mean anything. I believe, I think, meaningless. As far as god, I've heard it all, read more bibles than I care to admit. Read more history than I care to admit. One thing I have learnt is that our minds are incredibly fallible because thoughts are not subject to the laws of physics. There can be faires, ghosts, spirits, phantasms, aliens even reptilian infiltrators to the US government. In the grand scheme of things our minds are still very, very immature.

Again, Tall Tom, hell of a story. I hope the remainder of your life brings nothing but hapiness because in the end, of all the reading, intropspection, debating, pondering that I have done, this is all that matters.

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 08:59 | 4407274 Tall Tom
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I understand Depression also. I have had experience there. I am more Dysthymic with bouts of Major Depression. But I contemplate Suicide daily. Pain does that to you. It warps your thinking.

 

I was told that Depression is anger turned inwards. Obviously it is much more than that.

 

In this sense I am happy that ZH exists because I can unload, verbally vent...well not so much verbally but through writing.

 

Do you like David Gilmour of Pink Floyd?  His first solo Album had a song, "There's No Way Out of Here"

One of the lyrics was, "When you look out you don't see in."

I think that you will appreciate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xUD6MWmSAc

I listen to that album, his first album, when I get really down into Depression. It will uplift you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lwOCfWKBI

I also will inject megadoses of Niacin, B-Complex, as it seems to alleviate some of it.

 

I wish you peace as well.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 09:09 | 4407331 bobert
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Tom & Asteroid:

Thanks for sharing!

Love.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 10:58 | 4407576 Raging Debate
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Actually Bring the Asteroid - He doest. Evolution is a process that decreases suffering over time. Ever hear the expression "no pain no gain"? Mankind lives better then 100 years ago and vastly better than 10,000 years ago. It is man that attempts to defy the evolutionary model that growth must slow at times, overexapand face sharp, painful corrections and order reorganize.

Such transitions are painful but these periods are where we learn the most. To me whether you believe in deity or not, is immaterial. You and I are going to play whether we like it or not. The individual solution to paradoxes of evolution is always attempt to extend value to our species and always attempt self improvement. Then you suffer less painful learning lessons.

That behavior happens or not in cycles at a collective level. Belief in God is a matter of faith and My favorite scripture is from Paul in regard to religion to "above all use reason" meaning test your belief with facts. I still read the bible for good concepts and value systems, but in testing many bible writers with facts, they do seem to have been inspired to know where our collective destiny was going (possibility of immortality) and using concepts to lesson the pain of the process. Hope this reasoning makes sense to some.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:07 | 4406529 J S Bach
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Those naive and heroic firefighters - along with the "Fellowship of the Dupes" that suffered through all of the nefarious 9/11 bullshit propaganda - shall be avenged.  Rest assured.  How this latent justice plays itself out is anyone's guess.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:16 | 4406562 akak
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Again, fuck this "hero" meme for minions of the state.

Why and how is somebody automatically a "hero" merely for DOING THEIR FUCKING JOB?? 

(and a very well-paid job at that)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:45 | 4406653 Yes_Questions
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c'mon now.  There are "jobs" with "hero" as a basic function.

 

not sarc.

 

I've seen enough of it in action and if I were king of the world, first responders would spend their off duty time in opulent comfort.

 

This includes retirement.

 

Anyone who signs up to save my stupid ass and work tirelessly to bring ME out of an emergency is a hero.

 

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:52 | 4406663 akak
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Funny how nobody considered the average cop or fireman a "hero" 15 or 30 or 50 years ago --- only lately.

(The same for the average member of the US armed forces, for that matter.)

Why is that?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:08 | 4406709 Yes_Questions
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No question. Less than honest people have misdirected attention (away from themselves) to an indisputably "honorable" portion of society starting in late Q3 2001. That dishonest, lo EVIL FUCKING PEOPLE have done this does not diminish the quality of service demonstrated by plenty in various  uniforms.  
Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:26 | 4406857 Tall Tom
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Since as far back as I can remember, 53 Years (when I was Two), i have always considered the Firefighter to be a hero, worthy of the highest respect and honor.

 

As for Police and Military??? No I do not consider them Heroic.

 

THis will shock you but I actually PITY THEM. Before Downvoting me please hear me out...BECAUSE THIS EXPOSES A VERY BAD PROBLEM.

 

The Police are JADED with the public. It is understandable. Every single call that they get is to a Crime Scene or a Dispute. Then when they are not doing that they are working Traffic. People are not too pleasant after getting a Ticket. They face disrespect everywhere they go. Much of it is justifiable as they, or their colleagues have abused the Uniform.

 

Humans tend to stereotype others, akak. I do. (I am wrong in doing that. I am doing the best that I can from doing it... )

 

This is where it gets really DANGEROUS for MOST PEOPLE.

 

I know a man who found some money in a Sidewalk on the Street while Driving down the Road. His eye just caught the edge of some FRNs sticking outside of the Envelope...while Driving.  He had his nephew with him so he stopped his car and retrieved the envelope.

 

This man is a decent man. He doesn't appear great as he dresses poorly. But he noticed that the Envelope was stuffed with Six $20 FRNs ($120) and it was a Payment to Capital One.

 

The first thing that the man did was drive to the return address on the envelope to hand the rightful owner back the Cash,  torn envelope, and deliever a lecture that one never mails cash. He decided not to go to his destination.

 

He wanted to teach his nephew that this was the proper thing to do. He wanted to teach his nephew that if you can identify the owner of the cash then it does not belong to you. However the owner's property was gated and the owner refused to answer the Bell.

 

After that failed this guy calls up the Credit Card Company, tells them what transpired, made arrangements with the Credit Card Company not to charge a Late Fee, and asked that the Credit Card Company arrange a meeting so that the Cash could be returned.

 

The Credit Card Company attempted the contact and the man refused to answer his phone. (He probably thought they were advertising a service.)

 

Then this guy goes to the San Diego Sheriff's Department after all other avenues had been exhausted. There he was subjected to a grilling by a Deputy as if he were a Mailbox Thief. The Deputy called this guy, after discerning that he was just doing his best to return the cash, "One in a million."...which...HE WAS NOT. There is nothing heroic about what this guy did. It just cost some time, energy, and subsequent humiliation.

 

Now there may be few who would have kept the money and not bother to go through that effort. However I bet that most will bend over backwards to do the right thing.

 

And that exposes the problem. I am certain that there are many others like this man. I am certain that the vast majority of the people are just like this guy. But the Police never see them as it is usually one hell of a lot easier to do the right thing without involving the Police.

 

So the Police are jaded as pretty much everyone that they encounter are criminals. So they believe that "everybody is a criminal" because, like me, Humans tend to stereotype others.

 

And they will have no problem killing criminals when Society completely breaks down. And everybody is a criminal and a threat when that happens.

 

So I pity them for that. They have little to no trust for other human beings. This affects every relation that they have. It must be very sad to walk around in life and having nobody to trust.  It must be sad to walk in their shoes.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:16 | 4407067 akak
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Interesting perspective on how cops see humanity, Tom, and one that has breezed through my mind in the past, but never quite to the extent to which you have outlined it.  I can certainly say that I have never for a moment considered being a cop, probably largely if subconciously for exactly the reasons you state.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 04:38 | 4407127 Oracle of Kypseli
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Police officers are hardened from the constant criminality and misery that they experience on daily basis and mistrust everyone. Highest suicide rate of any profession. Can't blame them.

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 07:31 | 4407216 Tall Tom
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There is NO BLAME. I pity them. I understand that.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:35 | 4406835 J S Bach
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Akak...

 

The word, "heroic" means what it means. 

 

No, the firefighters of 9/11 didn't rush a machine gun nest and go down trying to save their soldier brethren... but they did try to put out an unquenchable fire like those Russian firefighters (31) who died trying to contain the Chernobyl catastrophe.  Any thinking person would glean that the word "heroic" simply means an innocent who gave - even if unwittingly - his life for a cause that he thought was to save lives.

 

In this context, I believe that those firefighters who died on 9/11 are truly HEROIC!!!!!

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:16 | 4407065 Debugas
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those nine dead are most likely fire department workers and not bankers

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:47 | 4404976 Boris Alatovkrap
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This is what is mean when fiat monetary policy is back-fire. When system is verge of collapse, Central Bankster is go out back and is start fire.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:24 | 4405211 Harbanger
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Early report say money velocity is spark fire in volatile paper, tungsten recovered safe is only need fresh paint.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:30 | 4405239 HardlyZero
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Probably all their Gold Reserve records too.  Argentina has 62 tonnes of Gold Reserves.  Are these held 'safe' in Cuba by now ?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:37 | 4405302 Harbanger
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Maybe, but it's all going east.  I read an article recently where China is tempted to bailout Cuba and Venzuela.  Probably in exchange for gold and oil.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:17 | 4405496 Cacete de Ouro
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62 tonnes of LBMA gold deposit liabilities. The gold was sold and they just roll the deposits. Argentina just thinks it has gold, and the LBMA banks take turns playing musical chairs with 3 and 6 month gold deposits (gold deposits are when the central bank invests it's gold to get a tiny return. It's fictional unallocated crap because the gold has been sold by the bullion banks and is not coming back since they can't get it back without ramping the price)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:34 | 4406220 DaveyJones
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"fictional unallocated crap"

I love financial synonyms

you mean it all ultimately resides on trust and honesty?

this'll never work 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:13 | 4406364 Cacete de Ouro
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FUC... I hadn't thought of that acronym...

now there's an idea :)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:51 | 4406662 Yes_Questions
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the words you were looking for were "pregnant with"

 

as in pregnant with collapse.

 

or was that just me seeing what I wanted to?

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:28 | 4404884 astoriajoe
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Certainly Paper. Probably hates cans too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcwz8-EfFYE

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:04 | 4404777 redpill
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Tylers is NEVER sarcastic

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:14 | 4404816 Dr. Engali
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I think I detect a bit of sarcasm in your tone.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:18 | 4405179 THX 1178
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A sarcasm detector? Oh thats a REEAAAALLLL useful invention.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:37 | 4406226 DaveyJones
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SARSchasm

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:07 | 4404784 Bunker Boy
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An Inconvenient Fire (SARC)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:02 | 4405673 myshadow
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it isn't sarcasm, it's irony.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:36 | 4406768 Oh regional Indian
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A mountain of irony in this case?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:22 | 4404828 Dr. Engali
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I disagree. I have never seen a group of people who can think of so many creative ways to steal. I offer you "climate hubs" as exibit A

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:23 | 4404868 walküre
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Al Gore and Joe Corzine should be shag mates on Alcatraz.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:16 | 4406382 Big Corked Boots
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You would let them live?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:30 | 4406594 Husk-Erzulie
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Hells yeah.  Love to see Albert become the resident second chakra engineer for all de boys on de block.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:17 | 4406740 Yes_Questions
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ARCANE POST OF THE EVENING AWARD!!!

 

thats pretty good right there, second Chakra Engineer..  Better than Dennis Miller

 

When he was funny.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:55 | 4406807 Husk-Erzulie
Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:21 | 4404855 Stoploss
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Behold the fate of paper gold certs...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:26 | 4406188 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Ain't counterparties a bitch or what?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:37 | 4406241 DaveyJones
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always invite plenty of bitches to your counterparties

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:55 | 4405031 Ban KKiller
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Fascists = Big Banks. Easy enough to know where to hurt them...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:13 | 4405719 CH1
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Just walk away from their game. It'll fall apart on its own once people stop obeying thieves.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:35 | 4406879 DoChenRollingBearing
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Passive resistance, yes.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:26 | 4405543 midtowng
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What makes you think it was socialists? These are bankers doing it. None of them are socialists.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:48 | 4405632 Omen IV
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socialists?

i thought they were following the 9-11 game plan of "pull it" - in Building #7  - where all the SEC records were stored for countless pending cases

you should apologize to the socialists for the script is capitalist origin

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:43 | 4406255 DaveyJones
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it's almost as if...these political labels (and these political boundaries) are meaningless and the world is now run by larger and larger criminals

when I was twelve, I called it science fiction

now I call it the news

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:47 | 4406471 countryboy42
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"News"? Damn I have been calling "The Onion."

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:38 | 4406235 HardAssets
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 09:41 | 4407443 Shitonya Serfs
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Doubt we'll hear about this story again.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:11 | 4404811 aerojet
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Over there?  Dick Cheney's office had a fire that destroyed a bunch of important documents and this was over HERE during the Bush Administration.  Cover up city!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:15 | 4404824 Not Too Important
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Yes, and the Pentagon had a fire, too. I guess financial documents are extremely flammable.

And that damn 7 something or other . . .

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:25 | 4404874 eclectic syncretist
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Not to worry.  If it was printed off a computer the NSA will have copies of everything.  Fernandez just needs to get in contact with them and see if they'll reprint it all for her.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:30 | 4405245 natty light
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It is prudent to back up your files LOL.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:37 | 4405792 logicalman
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Not if you want to destroy the evidence.

In that case, a back-up is the last thing you want.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:35 | 4404919 Renewable Life
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Four dead, well connnected bankers, from "suicide" last week alone, now this little accident!!! LOL

We're living in the midde of a paper orgy friends, and paper burns, paper disappears, paper is used in your toilet!  I'm not sure how much longer paper will be used in Argentina to buy products and services though?  But will see, I'm sure they'll lose everything they have to this sick paper experiment and then conclude that the answer is............THE PAPER USD!!

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:32 | 4406864 SilverRhino
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God hates paper money and banksters ...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:25 | 4405540 midtowng
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I'm sure this was all just an innocent coincidence. LOL

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:36 | 4405794 zerocash
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Trust me, everything's gonna be fine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Huy-JP1xo

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:20 | 4406177 Buck Johnson
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It's called hiding something.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:25 | 4406408 frankthomaswhite59
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@ walküre

 

Jewish bonfire...

that's how they roll everywhere.

in my neck of the woods

'that's how it's done'  +1

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:06 | 4406526 kchrisc
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Right now it's tails they win, heads you lose, but soon it will be their heads they lose.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:13 | 4406550 Spumoni
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So this banker is sitting at the Waldorf-Astoria bar having a drink when his banker friend sidles up to the bar. "What are you doing here, Michaels?" the first one asks.

"Catastrophe! My document storage went up in flames - terrible embarrassment you know. I was only able to siphon off a few hundred million of the settlement. Just in New York looking for a good place to put the money. What about you?"

"Well imagine that!" says the first banker. "That's about what happened to me, except it was my Aspen vacation home. Too bad we had recently moved the art collection there. Insurance settled it properly, of course. Just here in New York looking for some new investments."

So the two are sitting, comparing notes over drinks when a third banker they know shows up - an Argentine from Buenos Aries. "Manuel!" they both cry, "What are you doing in New York?"

"Terrible calamity, gentlement, terrible! A flood destroyed half the branches of my bank!"

"Flood??!!" They both shout out. "How did you arrange THAT?"

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:32 | 4406604 chemystical
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How much did Larry Silverstein make on the deal? 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:39 | 4406627 geologyguy
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Is the national Debt Clock in NYC next?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:38 | 4406889 The Dunce
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Who set the fire?  Wouldn't corrupt bankers want to destroy their bogus records.  Word to your mother.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:59 | 4404727 max2205
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Jewish lighting? 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:59 | 4404741 SilverIsKing
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100%

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:04 | 4404769 Handful of Dust
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All Boats were unavailable?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:09 | 4404795 Bastiat
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Reminds me of the recent fire in the JPM vaults . . .

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:24 | 4404877 CrashisOptimistic
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Argentina and their history of trying to keep capital locked inside the borders is the absolute poster child for bitcoin.  THIS is why it has so much value.

THIS is coming to a TSA nazi at an airport near you.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:13 | 4405710 Bunga Bunga
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No, no, no, just a small fire in the blockchain vault and Bitcoin is done.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:26 | 4406749 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Crash

Argentina, I have been told, is BIG on Bitcoin, wonder why.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:07 | 4404783 Winston Churchill
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Hope it was fully over insured.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:11 | 4406548 kchrisc
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Is that you Larry?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:02 | 4404732 Dr. Engali
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I believe that it was an coincidence like I believe the obscene amount of boating accidents that Zero Hedgers seem to have.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:03 | 4404762 halfawake
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Agree - you'd think by now we'd stay out of boats. Oh well, maybe next time will be different.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:30 | 4405250 viahj
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i had a hot air balloon accident.  i loaded up all my pms and guns, turned my back to grab the dog and suddenly the balloon took off.  i watched it for over an hour drifting east...i have no idea where it ended up.  still have my dog though!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:02 | 4405681 halfawake
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sonofa!! sad to hear, my condolences.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:53 | 4406492 countryboy42
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Thanks for the gift. Send me an address, and I'll build you a nice rifle. Please note LOP, right or left hand and caliber desired.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:26 | 4406582 stormsailor
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aw  man,  that chit happen to me too

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:34 | 4406880 Tall Tom
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I hear that a rash of Hunting Accidents are going to happen next during Central Banker Appreciation Day.

 

Take your Central Banker hunting as part of the festivities to demonstrate just how much that you appreciate them.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:11 | 4406140 americanspirit
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Dr. E. - I agree. All those boating accidents are very suspicious. I, on the other hand, was the victim of aliens who landed their spaceship in my yard, paralyzed my dogs, rendered my alarm system inoperative, bent the firing pins on my guns with pure Yuri Geller mind-energy, and demanded all my gold or else they would abduct my wife and impregate her with alien seed. She, bless her heart, was willing to go in order to save our gold but I gave in and they took it. The gold, not my wife. My videocams and cellphones were also rendered inoperative, but immediately after they blasted off I made sketches, which I gave to the deputies who responded to my 911 call on my landline. Stupid fucking aliens don't know about landlines. The deputies assure me that if they see these guys landing anywhere in the county they will bust them and get my gold back. Meanwhile I am simply distraught. What is this world coming to?

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