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US Unveils "Climate Hubs" In War Against Climate Change

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Just when you thought the "creativity" of this country's central planners couldn't get any greater, here comes the US Department of Agriculture with a brilliant plan to "mitigate the impact of a changing climate" - Climate Hubs. No really: Ag Sec Tom Vilsack announced today the creation of the first ever Regional Hubs for Risk Adaptation and Mitigation to Climate Change at seven locations around the country. "Climate Hubs" will address increasing risks such as fires, invasive pests, devastating floods, and crippling droughts on a regional basis, aiming to translate science and research into information to farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners on ways to adapt and adjust their resource management. Why is this being announced? "Today's announcement is part of the President's Climate Action Plan to responsibly cut carbon pollution, slow the effects of climate change and put America on track to a cleaner environment."

From the USDA

Secretary Vilsack Announces Regional Hubs to Help Agriculture, Forestry Mitigate the Impacts of a Changing Climate

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced today the creation of the first ever Regional Hubs for Risk Adaptation and Mitigation to Climate Change at seven locations around the country. "Climate Hubs" will address increasing risks such as fires, invasive pests, devastating floods, and crippling droughts on a regional basis, aiming to translate science and research into information to farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners on ways to adapt and adjust their resource management. In his State of the Union Address, President Obama pledged that his Administration will continue to do everything in its power to act on climate change. Today's announcement is part of the President's Climate Action Plan to responsibly cut carbon pollution, slow the effects of climate change and put America on track to a cleaner environment.

"For generations, America's farmers, ranchers and forest landowners have innovated and adapted to challenges. Today, they face a new and more complex threat in the form of a changing and shifting climate, which impacts both our nation's forests and our farmers' bottom lines," said Vilsack. "USDA's Climate Hubs are part of our broad commitment to developing the next generation of climate solutions, so that our agricultural leaders have the modern technologies and tools they need to adapt and succeed in the face of a changing climate."

The Secretary first announced his intention to create the Hubs last summer. The Hubs will provide outreach and information to producers on ways to mitigate risks; public education about the risks climate change poses to agriculture, ranchlands and forests; regional climate risk and vulnerability assessments; and centers of climate forecast data and information. They will also link a broad network of partners participating in climate risk adaptation and mitigation, including universities; non-governmental organizations; federal agencies such as the Department of Interior and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; Native Nations and organizations; state departments of environment and agriculture; research centers; farm groups and more.

Across the country, farmers, ranchers and forest landowners are seeing an increase in risks to their operations due to fires, increases in invasive pests, droughts, and floods. For example, in the Midwest, growing seasons have lengthened by almost two weeks since 1950. The fire season is now 60 days longer than it was 30 years ago, and forests will become increasingly threatened by insect outbreaks, fire, drought and storms over the next 50 years. These events threaten our food supply and are costly for producers and rural economies. Drought alone was estimated to cost the U.S. $50 billion from 2011 to 2013. Such risks have implications not only for agricultural producers, but for all Americans.

The Hubs were chosen through a competitive process among USDA facilities. In addition to the seven Hubs, USDA is designating three Subsidiary Hubs ("Sub Hubs") that will function within the Southeast, Midwest, and Southwest. The Sub Hubs will support the Hub within their region and focus on a narrow and unique set of issues relative to what will be going on in the rest of the Hub. The Southwest Sub Hub, located in Davis, California, will focus on specialty crops and Southwest forests, the Southeast Sub Hub will address issues important to the Caribbean, and the Midwest Sub Hub will address climate change and Lake State forests.

The following locations have been selected to serve as their region's center of climate change information and outreach to mitigate risks to the agricultural sector:

  • Midwest: National Laboratory for Agriculture and the Environment, Agricultural Research Service, Ames, Iowa
    • Sub-Hub in Houghton, Mich.
  • Northeast: Northern Research Station, Forest Service, Durham, N.H.
  • Southeast: Southern Research Station, Forest Service, Raleigh, N.C.
    • Sub-Hub in Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico
  • Northern Plains: National Resources Center, Agricultural Research Service, Fort Collins, Colo.
  • Southern Plains: Grazinglands Research Lab, Agricultural Research Service, El Reno, Okla.
  • Pacific Northwest: Pacific Northwest Research Station, Forest Service, Corvallis, Ore.
  • Southwest: Rangeland Management Unit/Jornada Experimental Range, Agricultural Research Service, Las Cruces, N.M.
    • Sub-hub in Davis, Calif.

"This is the next step in USDA's decades of work alongside farmers, ranchers and forest landowners to keep up production in the face of challenges," Vilsack said. "If we are to be effective in managing the risks from a shifting climate, we'll need to ensure that our managers in the field and our stakeholders have the information they need to succeed. That's why we're bringing all of that information together on a regionally-appropriate basis."

The Climate Hubs will build on the capacity within USDA to deliver science-based knowledge and practical information to farmers, ranchers and forest landowners to support decision-making related to climate change across the country.

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Once again, one is left speechless.

 

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:43 | 4404653 TruthInSunshine
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Whisper rumor that the USSA (aka Idiocracy) is seeding clouds with Brawndo*.

*The Thirst Mutilator!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:44 | 4404666 El Vaquero
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It's got what clouds like!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:46 | 4404676 TruthInSunshine
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Someone suggested using toilet water instead, but they were fired after government officials tried and failed to develop a flying toilet (after much tax-serf $$$ was spent on R&D).

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:49 | 4404689 redpill
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*wind-powered flying toilet

Would have worked but the smell was brutal.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:51 | 4404699 john39
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interesting interview... the coming ice age:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/02/RIR-140203.php

meanwhile the marxists are strangling energy supplies to save us from "global warming".

fail.

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:56 | 4404718 James_Cole
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We should be technically entering an 'ice age', yet temps have been skyrocketing. HMMMMM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:04 | 4404759 Stackers
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notice how it is no longer carbon "emissions" but carbon "pollution" now ?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:06 | 4404780 macholatte
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Is this another “wolf in sheep’s clothing” agency that starts out with promoting itself with noble propaganda, we’re from the government and we’re here to help, and ends up being just another police force used to hammer citizens?

 

Do not ever say that the desire to 'do good' by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives.

Ayn Rand

 

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:18 | 4404843 max2205
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Great another thing to protect against terroists.....

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:30 | 4404892 Boris Alatovkrap
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In cave in rural France is painting circa 5000 BC, and is tell story. One day is rain much and lightening is loud and scary. Leader of cave community is explain danger of lightening and is predict end of world if citizenry is not work hard for stopping of lightening. Every citizenry of community must bring it portion of berries and meat for sacrificial god and make incantation. Leader of cave community is so very smart, is not help hunt and gather, but is must make strategy and "guide" community for self-preservation technique. One day, citizen is look up and see is still lightening, but is look around and is still alive. Other is still alive. Lightening is come and go, and community is survive. Citizen is make comment at cave meeting and next day is fall in tar pit.

Leader of cave community is explain danger of tar pit and is predict end of world if citizenry is not work hard for prevention of tar pit...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:40 | 4404949 bluskyes
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Oy Vey!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:53 | 4405017 WarriorClass
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CT Collectivist Gun Grabber Ruthlessly Exposed By Sipsey Street Irregulars:

http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2014/02/mike-vanderboeghs-2nd-lett...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:00 | 4405076 Yes We Can. But...
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Even as a sharp cynic, I find myself surprised at how assinine things have become in my country, the US of A.  It is something to behold

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:33 | 4406013 RafterManFMJ
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Your country? Best flush out your headgear.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:55 | 4405006 trader1
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+1 hilarious!

 

but, we're talking about more than lightning here...

although i try not to be so gloom and doom, because i'm an optimist at heart...BUT,

a big issue is how to handle the future migration of people from rising sea levels coupled with the loss of aquamarine food chains necessary for human life sustenance in coastal + island areas...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:06 | 4405103 Lore
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You appear to miss Boris's point. There is natural climate change and then there is the AGW swindle. "Man-Made Global Warming" is the latest in a long line of environmental false flags.  From comets to eclipses, storms to pandemics, salvation always lies with anointed subject matter "experts."  Government strives constantly to find new ways to justify and expand government. As its reach grows, new enemies are invented.

"'The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - V.I. Lenin

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:47 | 4406468 MeelionDollerBogus
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There is no AGW swindle. We can prove our activity produceses excess CO2, methane & we can prove that change is lethal.
We can measure it now in the acidic oceans, we can measure it now in the excess heat pockets over the excess CO2-expelling factories.
It's clear as day.
It's not a theory, it's proven.
To deny this is to pretend the moon is made of cotton-candy or that bitcoin is a real currency.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:04 | 4405111 Boris Alatovkrap
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Political leader is have solution, is call "Soylent Green". Is perfect for making "green" economy.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:24 | 4405131 Lore
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Yes. Exactly.

"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention [WHOSE intervention?], and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior [WHOSE changes? WHOSE attitudes and behavior?] that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is [construed as] humanity itself." - Club of Rome

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:19 | 4405745 TimmyB
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The consensus here is for everyone to stick their heads in the sand and ignore man-made climate change.  Good luck changing that.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:34 | 4406873 Ident 7777 economy
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Yo! Azzhat! Your recommendation is to give govt all OUR money and starve our business and industrial system?

 

What are you - fully retarded or something? 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:47 | 4406905 TimmyB
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Hey fucktard, where, other than in the hallucinations your fucked up head creates for itself, did I write anything like that? Or are you just a liar.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 13:43 | 4415178 Lumberjack
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Boris, that is the funniest god damn thing I have ever seen and thank you as I do WB-7 for the great work here. I would love to see WB do some art regarding your comment and wonder if you would be able to write occasional articles here, (attention tylers), at ZH? Your word smithing is priceless.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:22 | 4404863 AlamoJack
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When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by Compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed.  - Ayn Rand

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.  - George Orwell

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:32 | 4404899 Boris Alatovkrap
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Very good is quote!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:43 | 4405333 El Diablo Rojo
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Boris (A lot of Crap) Alatovkrap - you are one of my favorites!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:00 | 4405071 Lost My Shorts
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Sadly, what neither Rand nor Orwell understood was that their work would be taken as how-to guides rather than warnings.  Many of those who deal in favors rather than goods, who produce nothing (but poisoned financial derivatives), who get rich by graft and insider trading, are vocal libertarian Ayn Rand fans who fully believe that their amoral dealings constitute "earning" their vast wealth.  They are Larry Kudlow's "successful earners".

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:08 | 4405451 AlamoJack
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Oh yeah, I'm sure Osama Ben Doodlin' and the Pope also say their Libertarians.  You obviously don't even know what a Libertarian is or is supposed to be.

3 of the 60 men that signed the Texas Declaration of Independence were Mexican.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:51 | 4406911 TimmyB
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Do you purchase necessities, such as food, water and shelter, by consent or by compulsion?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:56 | 4406932 InjectTheVenom
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+1776  !!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:44 | 4404977 Lost My Shorts
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To begin with, it's probably just enviro-pork -- patronage jobs for climate activists to placate them, so they will support the Democrats and overlook the fact that the Dems will never actually do anything impolitic about climate change.  All talk and new bureaucracy, no real action.

Over time, however, all bureaucracies follow the bureaucratic imperative to grow their power, turf, and funding, so long after Barry-O and Vilsack are retired to Hawaii or wherever, the bureaucratic juggernaut will be doing all the things you worry about on their own initiative.  It's their nature.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:14 | 4405937 AlamoJack
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Ahh.  A staunch Republican or more likely a "status quo - ho".  Can't lose all those military and chemical industry jobs and bribes, huh.  Keep on votin' and keep on gettin' what you've been gettin' Einstein.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:13 | 4404815 SAT 800
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Officially declared by the EPA; pollution. A certificate of insanity on their part. LIfe on the planet is impossible without c02; green plants live on it. Complete and perfect insanity.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:49 | 4405361 Poor Grogman
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This bullshit is just a reaction to the slowly developing worldwide hydrocarbon Shortage.

The PTB think that they can "manage" people's perceptions so that everyone will tow the line and just use less fossil fuel voluntarily.

They would like to think they can stop people hoarding, hedging, and generally ensuring their own supply continuity...

Without a "global consensus" on this "low carbon fairy dust bullshit", the whole NWO paradigm ends up in looting, hoarding and running street battles, as people refuse to accept the coming inevitable drop in living standards.

But maybe I reading it wrong...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:18 | 4405954 AlamoJack
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No worries.  The gubmint knows best what's good for us, but not them.  Please burn all the fossil fuel you can get your hands on.  I make gasoline and propane for a living - actually just on paper, but I eventually get a little insitu.  Smells like money to me.  Grow more plants.  They love CO2.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:37 | 4406024 RafterManFMJ
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Well I've done my part; I've set my thermostat to 45F and laid in a supply of wool LederHosen.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:52 | 4407042 Flakmeister
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You guys enjoying your circle jerk in make believe land?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 05:42 | 4407148 Poor Grogman
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You know I'm right.

I can see that you're gradually coming around.

Just remember, the government like a predator consumes the weak and gullible first.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 11:06 | 4407676 Flakmeister
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And the Earth doesn't care whether it is inhabitable or not and whether we shit in our own crib...

BTW, I think you meant "a corporation like...", the government was the first casualty...   

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:43 | 4406456 MeelionDollerBogus
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And life on this planet is impossible with too much CO2.
You seem to want everyone to be too stupid to notice that inconvenient truth.
Ya, I went there.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:26 | 4404876 NidStyles
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Notice how they are setting up things just like in the good red book by Marx and community organizers handbook?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:14 | 4405474 Calmyourself
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Bravo, carefully watch their language it shows how they intend to cover their "Newspeak" past and distort your future..

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:06 | 4405689 pondview28
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This is way beyond political speak: it is official. The EPA now defines CO2 as a pollutant and that has been backed up by the Supreme Court. No more exhaling!

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 07:25 | 4407213 torak
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Note the disconnect in correlation between CO2 and temperature starting in 2007.  Al Gore et. al. must have shit a brick.  Now, how to keep the con rolling until GS, Gore, and friends can cash in on carbon credit trading?  Have the growingly irrelevant MSM keep stoking the fire. 

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ii4ffd3d18.jpg

Opps!

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 11:08 | 4407685 Flakmeister
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This is new, so now GW stopped in 2007??

Make up your minds guys... 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:01 | 4405893 A Nanny Moose
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Good. Food doesn't grow so well when the ground is covered in all that white shit.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:40 | 4406450 MeelionDollerBogus
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It doesn't grow at all when all the moisture is trapped in the hot atmosphere, refusing to rain. crops die.
Like in the last 3 years of heat waves due to global warming.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:01 | 4406104 PrintemDano
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Wiki as a reference......bwahahaha

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:58 | 4404729 john39
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climate hubs... aka, Agenda 21.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:06 | 4404772 Ignatius
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Vilsack has come to help.

That special, Monsanto, kind of help.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:41 | 4406449 MeelionDollerBogus
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Agenda 21 is a hoax.
its purpose is to get you to pile into cities & to make excess babies you can't ever afford to feed, to trick you into doing the opposite of the hoax-items.
The easiest way to trick a child is to pretend the nasty stuff is really delicious.
It's too bad that's not mommy but an escaped sociopath who's doing the trickery.
You still want to take candy from that stranger?
Apparently.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:15 | 4404834 SAT 800
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Moar fucking government idiots to "help" you. Moar fucking government payrolls; moar fucking government jobs to use for political rewards; moar fucking interference in normal human business, attempting to be taken care of by the people who actually know what they're doing. Jeebus freaking Christ.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:20 | 4405184 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Please direct any questions or concerns to your County Agent, Hank Kimball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jn32OCQ7ns

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:20 | 4405960 AlamoJack
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Note to self:  Buy moar phucking ammo.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:53 | 4404702 James_Cole
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These climate hubs are not a terrible idea in theory (in practice...) but would be much better to just cut all the subsidies to big agri - one of the leading sources of climate change - and watch them collapse. The latter will never happen of course, free money to big business has always had bipartisian support. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:47 | 4404970 hapless
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They shoulda stuck with "Global Warming" - at least the last 15 years of zero warming could have been explained away as short-run volatility within a longer term trend.  But by switching their narrative to "Climate Change" and pretending that their cause was never Global Warming, the Warmists just make themselves look like sociopaths.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:54 | 4405023 Anusocracy
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The Watermelons have no clothes.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:12 | 4405712 pondview28
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Notice that although they now use "climate change", their underlying assumptions are still all geared toward global warming. These centers might be a fine idea if they truly were aimed at adapting to whatever climate change occurs. They would actually be smart and forward-looking. Since they already presuppose the problem and the solution they will inevitably be wrong and cause more harm than good down the road.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:22 | 4405975 AlamoJack
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Yeah, well there's obviously some kind of climate change.  All those high altitude "con-trails" take an hour or so to dissapate.  Oh oh.  I know that's misspelled.  Where the heck is the SpellCheck button?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:37 | 4406444 MeelionDollerBogus
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No one switched any narrative: just as "raging fire" leads to "burned out husks of buildings" no one says all the "burned out husks stories are meant to cover up the lack of any raging fires beforehand, that's why they don't talk about it anymore!!"
Global Warming has never, ever been discarded, ignored, no longer talked about, denied, or otherwise put aside.
Globaal warming is here now & for good and is stage 1. Stage 2 of global warming is climate change, which we've been warned about for the past 35 years or more, as a combined two-punch attack.
There mere suggestion people changed the narrative is a fraud.
that change did not happen, global warming happened & everyone's been 100% clear since the last 35 years GLOBAL WARMING IS CLIMATE CHANGE and will kill us all.
And so it is as we speak.

The true sociopath says there is no global warming, KNOWING it is true, knowing it means the death of us all.
Just like an arsonist that lights a locked building on fire & tells everyone it's a false alarm, that there is no fire.
You're the arsonist & we KNOW you're setting the fires while telling people there are none.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:53 | 4404704 fonestar
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fonestar thought he was being attacked by a climate change the other day.  Took some compressed air to his CPU fan and all was fine.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:06 | 4405122 NotAMathWhiz
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Dude, does your mom know you're playing with that stuff?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:35 | 4406436 MeelionDollerBogus
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What, that's it?
You're not going to tell us how bitcoin will stave off the melting of the glaciers?
MeelionDollerBogus is disappointed at Fonestar's lack of dedication to Satoshi.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:45 | 4407036 MEAN BUSINESS
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In return for that well needed laugh, I offer support for your criticism of the ridiculous "ya they even changed it from global warming to climate change" non-argument. In James Burke's 25 year old documentary called After The Warming, he talks about climate change less than 90 seconds into the 2hr presentation!

While I'm at it, 'Bogus The Brave' congrats on "going there" and should anyone watch ATW, one should see that AIT basically delivered the same message James Burke tried to deliver 15! years earlier. So much Gore bashing, so few tears for 15 precious years we could have made much better use of (thanks a lot MSM!)  : (

BTW, a teeny-tiny bit of life, none of it human, can survive the atmosphere that a stalled Atlantic Conveyer, caused by melted fresh water from the Arctic and Greenland ice, caused by global warming, caused by positive feedbacks kicked off by human activity, may bring (over/under anyone?). Maybe Miffed has some insights to those hydrogen sulphide burpin' micro-organisms.

MEAN BUSINESS pageth fonestar... lol, thx Bogus

 

Fri, 02/07/2014 - 16:00 | 4412885 mkhs
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And in the end, no one gets out of life alive. What is your point?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:06 | 4404776 glenlloyd
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Talk about another government sponsored lame brain idea.

I'm wondering how much this will cost (tax dollars)?

Where the money will come from?

Why we're even bothering with this since the science behind the 'global warming' turned climate change has been shown to be a fraud.

At what point do we just recognize that earth isn't static and that these changes are a natural process? With emissions at multi-decade lows here in the US I find it preposterous that we're allowing those in change to pin the blame on us when in fact we know this is hokum.

At what point do we just get rid of the USDA?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:32 | 4405268 Being Free
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It isn't about the "climate".  Ultimately it's about water rights. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:57 | 4406497 tip e. canoe
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bingo

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:02 | 4404750 American34
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The Climate is always changing, that is what climate does. I don't think we have ever had 2 years exactly the same at any point. It's a never ending changing environment. However, to say all of mankind with all our buildings, cars, over 50k Coal Power Plants alone, and all the roads, farming, and adapting the terrain to suit our needs and wants has no effect seems pretty dang ridiculous. This planet isn't that big. Take a look at Google Earth once in a while and you can easily see huge areas changed by people. I am sure we have an effect even on Global Climate. But to nail it down to exactly what is happening. Good luck, even the local weatherman has a hard time. Let alone trying to model Global Climate.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:06 | 4404785 SAT 800
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Nobody even tried to model global climate. the bottom rung enthusiast computer programmers that were hired by the UN at their little University in England to prove there was global warming, just bitch slapped their "models' until they said what they wanted them to say. Literally; they were hacked into, and that is exactly what they did. It's one hundred percent propaganda.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:31 | 4405776 hardcleareye
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Please provide your source to support you wild statements..... 

This is a link to the names of the "Expert Reviewers to the IPCC Report"  it is 26 pages long and contains over 1000 names of scientist that have been working on this issue. 

They are NOT from a "little University in England".... (rolling eyes)

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_AnnexVI_FINAL.pdf

With respect to your statement "Nobody even tried to model global climate"...... 

There is much work that has been done on Modeling, Wiki has an "acceptable for purpose" summary that refutes your statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_model

(sadly shaking head..........)

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:54 | 4405868 RaceToTheBottom
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Look, squirrel

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:24 | 4406407 Flakmeister
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Look! Ignorati!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:32 | 4406431 MeelionDollerBogus
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BILLIONS of dollars were put into modeling global climate & many models do exist, have been used & are accurate.
Timing is the only key: the models show the real damage nearly on schedule for decades & we've seen them proven true with real life events.
Just faster in real life than what the model says.
Your flagrant lies have no shame & no limits.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:09 | 4404804 SAT 800
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for every ten thousand air molecules less than four of them are c02. It's a trace gas. This is where you start; with facts. before long you can form a intelligent estimate as to the effect of human activity on climate; remembering, of course, that 77% of the planet's surface consists of Ocean; with a surprisingly small number of people living on it. The expected answer turns out to be; no effect. and the evidence, carefully measured, turns out to be; no effect. Period.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:31 | 4404866 James_Cole
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that 77% of the planet's surface consists of Ocean; with a surprisingly small number of people living on it.

Yes, good thing nothing lives in the oceans at all. Because if anything did it might be a problem that oceans absorb the excess CO2 forming 2HC03 making the underwater envrionment increasingly hostile to the life forms which would exist within that '77%' of the planets surface. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:53 | 4405028 tarsubil
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H2CO3 - used as a buffer in your blood. What other basic building blocks of life are dangerous? H2O? O2?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:59 | 4405077 James_Cole
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H2CO3 - used as a buffer in your blood. 

Oh look, someone that doesn't know anything about chemistry. 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:24 | 4405222 SAT 800
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Your blood contains carbonic acid; which does have some buffering capacity; it also provides a "breathe now" stimulus; this why the emergency oxygen that the Ambulance crew gives you contains 3%co2; to stimulate your body to breathe; the inhaled co2 is immediately converted into carbonic acid; just in case you don't know anything about chemistry.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:29 | 4405248 James_Cole
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Congrats on coming up with an irrelevant point, even if it's only somewhat accurate. Now on the actual discussion, the key term highlighted was buffer, what is the function & composition of a buffer (in chemistry)? 

'Cause if you understood both you wouldn't state something idiotic like tar above. 

Fri, 02/07/2014 - 09:40 | 4411237 tarsubil
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicarbonate_buffering_system

People can read up about it and tell me if I'm an idiot for saying something as stupid as carbonic acid is used as a buffer in the blood.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:28 | 4406427 MeelionDollerBogus
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And if it gets too high you'll pass out. If you stop breathing & the carbonic acid in your blood remains at elevated levels you'll die of cardiac arrest.
In trace amounts, of course.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:28 | 4406422 MeelionDollerBogus
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In the wrong balance: ALL of them. In a pure O2 environment you would die.
In a pure H20 atmosphere you would die.
Life is not about having the ingredients, it's having them in the precise balance needed & in some cases being off by just a few molecules is certain death.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:29 | 4406755 Boop
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Yes, try having just a bit too much cyanide in your body.  A trace amount can really wipe a guy out.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:25 | 4407076 MeelionDollerBogus
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Also known as "CIA coffee-whitener substitute"

Fri, 02/07/2014 - 09:44 | 4411249 tarsubil
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Yes, if you were pure H2O, you wouldn't be alive. That is a far cry from precise balance. Living systems are dynamic. If they were fragile and sensitive, there wouldn't be any life.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:55 | 4405053 NidStyles
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That is what plankton and algae are for. Both of which are growing in population daily.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:29 | 4405240 SAT 800
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Of course; this is the correct answer to James Cole; not that he cares to listen; they're "whiter and righter" than everybody else, and that's that. The buk of the photosynthesis that gets done on this planet occurs in the ocean surface layers, and is done, as you point out by small green things, (not a good biologist); who I have read, are "loving it" and growing like Whee!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:27 | 4406419 MeelionDollerBogus
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Actually dying off at increasing rates due to acidification & oxygen depletion in the oceans.
It's probably going to kill us all & part of it is global warming. The rest is Fukushima.
I can only conclude you global warming deniers have an intense hatred of the truth & speak what you know are lies, repeatedly, and repeat louder & harder the more sure you are it is a lie.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 11:13 | 4407700 Flakmeister
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Ooops.... phytoplankton down 40% since 1950...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/phytoplankton-population/

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:24 | 4404878 American34
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Thats great, its a trace gas. Tell all the people 500 miles downwind of Chernoble how little effect trace amounts of a substance can have. If you were to take all the Coal Power Plants on earth and lay them in a square grid system with each plant being 1 mile apart. As in 1 on each corner of a square mile, that area would be 225 miles by 225 miles. I have been downwind of many coal power plants over a mile away and it still stinks! Yeah, no effect huh. As much as I hate the whole central planning state propaganda bull crap you might want to re-think your version of science. Want to see another great version of how your "Trace Elements" have no effect, take a look at any big city on a sunny day and tell me how great those crystal clear trace smog elements look and smell.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:56 | 4405043 adr
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It is really cool to go look at some old buildings in Pittsburgh. You can see the smog line on them. Miraculously, once you look up a few floors the smog line stops. Which is why most of the rich guys built their huge homes on the top of the hills in Pittsburgh, above the smog.

There is a big difference between a few molecules of CO2 and radioactive cesium. CO2 makes up .035% of our atmosphere. Trying to claim that an increase of CO2 has any measurable effect on the climate is bullshit. The Earth had higher concentrations of CO2 millions of years ago. Water vapor is a far more potent warming agent than CO2 and it makes up .25% of the atmosphere.

What always gets me is that most of the CO2 measurements and other data for climate change is taken from the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii near an active volcano that has been erupting continuously for thirty years.

What I really want is the war on Nitrogen. Damn nitrogen making up 78% of the air. We don't breathe it so what good is it.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:59 | 4405074 Flakmeister
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What controls the level of water vapor in the atmosphere? Any guesses?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:02 | 4405091 NidStyles
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No guesses, pure fact. Pressure controls the contents of the air. Temperature is a result of pressure and radiance.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:12 | 4405147 Flakmeister
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Really? 

I think two guys from the 19th century that are in every Thermodynamics textbook, not to mention a more than a few engineering ones might differ... 

You are truly a bald-faced bullshit artist...

Hint: google Clausius-Clapeyron 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:17 | 4405726 hardcleareye
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 LMAO

Good Post.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:49 | 4406910 NidStyles
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That's great to think that is accurate when you're an engineer, and you are only working with a particular dataset that deals with what your focus in science is... When you're actually a Physicist instead you know better what causality is, and how pressures and vacuum work when they press up against each other and what causes their variations in the first place, well.....

 

Fuck me Astrophysics was a nightmare.

Math can explain everything, but you might want to start looking at the High-Energy studies that have been around for the past 12 years...

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 02:56 | 4407047 Flakmeister
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You seem to be suffering from a severe case of verbal diarrhea... 

I doubt you have ever even seen an astrophysics textbook, let alone opened one...

So why don;t you simply STFU before burying yourself alive in your own bullshit...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:01 | 4405079 NidStyles
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The real truth of the matter is that smog was caused by air born sulfur from diesel fuel that used to have a much higher sulfur content.

 

The smog didn't go away because California said you couldn't put that fancy header on your 1995 Honda Civic. It went away because they made it illegal to sell diesel that had over a certain amount of sulfur. Sure it may have helped the people but they are using the smog excuse and climate change for everything now. I'm sure if non-sulfur diesels had come out through that lobbyist heavy oil industry it would have taken over on it's own. It's not like the oil companies do not write their own rules...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:14 | 4405158 Flakmeister
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You realize that you have absolutely zero credibilty for anything...

Still telling people that compressed natural gas is propane???

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:54 | 4405386 SAT 800
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All propane is compressed natural gas; but not all natural gas is propane. you like to get excited about semantics? It's about all you have left in your dead and buried global warming hysteria.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:27 | 4405548 Calmyourself
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What temperature is the right one flak?  Maybe we should pass some laws so the suns output remains constant.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:23 | 4406409 MeelionDollerBogus
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The sun output's barely moved at all.
It's the heat trapped on the surface.
Scientists have watched both & we can measure it ourselves as well, any time, any person, anywhere on Earth.
The solar output HAS NOT INCREASED.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:34 | 4407084 Flakmeister
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Right temperature for what exactly?

BTW, the sun's output has increased by about 10% over the past 350 million years. What was your point?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:24 | 4406404 MeelionDollerBogus
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No, all compressed natural gas is compressed METHANE which is NOT PROPANE & vice versa. These are not container-categories for abstraction.
You are a flagrant liar.
That which is not compressed methane is never ever compressed natural gas CNG.

Your "semantics" are actually lies.

CNG is 100% equal & only methane. There is no larger category or semantics permitted. At all.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:29 | 4406423 Flakmeister
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Semantics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fuel#Compressed_natural_gas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane

So just a little pressure turns CH4  into C3H8?

I now understatnd, you are not denying AGW, you are just too stupid and ignorant to grasp even the most basic science...

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:52 | 4406921 NidStyles
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Actually my claim was that technically it is a compressed natural gas. Because guess what idiot. Propane comes from a natural process and it is compressed as a gas.

 

You get on with your bas self though, because you know being angry is the better method of solving your issues.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:02 | 4407051 Flakmeister
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These guys got your MO down pat....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

You are too fucking thick to realize that you simply don't get it.... 

And everytime you get into something above your paygrade it shows...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:15 | 4405162 American34
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So much for science on this forum. Simply claiming something has no effect because it is small or in a small ratio compared to other compounds in the atmosphere is ridiculous. And if you take the science that says Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago as fact then you have to accept the same science that says C02 was around 450 parts per million at that time. Arguing science on this forum is acceptable as arguing for a Liberal point of view. I love this site, but as a forum it's followers are about as Independent Minded as any average Republican or Democrat. Free thinking isn't seeing what the Main Stream Media says and just choosing the opposite bcuz you don't like the Main Stream Media. Truth is truth no matter what anyone believes or says as it is not dependent on you at all. I am simply saying to think that 7.5 Billion people on this planet building over 2 billion buildings and driving several billion cars and trucks and farming millions and millions of acres of land definately has an effect on Global Climate. Whether we can prove it or not scientifically in an accurate way, who knows. I bet we could. However, the money always comes from somewhere and that money always has an agenda. So it is very unlikely to get any large enough scientific community actually looking for the real answer. But it gets old listening to people say how stupid looking for the truth is simply because it is an unpopular view.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:39 | 4405323 SAT 800
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It's never sutpid to look for the truth; but sometimes if you have a good background in physical science and you find out some basic facts about the situation you can say; "that's not a reasonable theory"; and it would require extra-ordinary evidence to make a reasonable person go back and try to find some previously un-known way that this could make a measurable difference. When you then find out that there is no evidence, at all; it's really time to go on to something else. there's plenty of truth left to uncover, without beating on this dead horse of human caused climate change. it didn't happen; it isn't going to happen, and I'm sorry ican't explain here why that's the case. Try and read a few books on the subject there have been several published.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:21 | 4405505 American34
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I have read several books from both sides of the fence. But to say there is no proof is incredible. Lebannon is currently an arrid climate. Why because there is no longer a forest there like there used to be. Northern African was once the bread basket of Rome. Tell me how much white is currently grown there now? Or what about the dust storms in the 1930's, so those farmers had nothing to do with that either? All just coincidence I bet then huh. I could go on and on with example after historical example of people altering the terrain around them enough to cause changes. The problem with Climate Change is that linking local evidence to global evidence is nearly impossible. But to say we do not as humans affect the climate is seriously ridiculous.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:22 | 4405509 American34
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Count my spelling errors LOLOLOL

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:55 | 4406922 NidStyles
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Find a proper medium for it, and post it there. I will crush anything you bring up.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:02 | 4407053 Flakmeister
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Now that is truly rich...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:22 | 4406398 MeelionDollerBogus
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Every word you write is one to STOP people from looking for the truth: you write lies, you propose lies, you encourage lies & you stomp on the proven truth every single message.
You are shameless and 100% lying.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:19 | 4406396 MeelionDollerBogus
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It's not bullshit, it's testable.
Keep ramping up CO2 in a greenhouse & watch what happens.
Plants die of heat exposure before being able to use the CO2 to survive.
The only plants that can tolerate more heat are those evolved for it: jungle plants.
Most of what we eat isn't that, which means those crops die.

No wonder you stupid fucks can't read price charts, you can't read thermometers or understand basic chemistry either.
No wonder the Bernank has such an easy time bowling you over. You all have Ph.D's in Fucktardery. The dumber you are the smarter you think you are.
The banksters haven't defeated you, they're watching you punch yourself in the face & blame someone else for the damage.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:12 | 4405154 SAT 800
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Co2 does not "smell". You are confused. It is a colorless odorless gas at normal temps. and pressures and an absolutely necessary part of the carbon based life cycle on the planet. Coal plants do sometimes smell, but the human nose is very sensitive to molecules like So2; which smells, and even meaningless levels of it; Locally, which, of course, is not globally, may be smelled. but do no harm. Smog, as encountered in cities, is not made out of Co2; it consists in un-burned, (imperfectly burned) or evaporated fossil fuel residues from Internal Combustion Engines, and from various industrial processes that release volatiles and Nitrous oxides into the air. It is a local problem. It's easy enough to make coal plants that don't smell; but the regulators and legislators end up in a circle jerk with the plant owners and nothing gets done. For 2% of gross profits for two years, any coal plant, even an old smelly one, can be made odorless. it's old technology, but even older human corruption.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:21 | 4405198 American34
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Agreed, I know you cannot smell it. The smell was just an example of how "Trace Elements" do matter. If you could see the C02 comming out of those stacks I would bet you would be extremely surprised considering the amount of tonnage that comes out of them each year. When you can measure gases in TONS it addes up very quickly.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:47 | 4405352 SAT 800
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But numbers only have meaning in context; remember after addding up all your tonnes you still have only less than 4 molecules in each ten-thousand that are co2. they have very little ability to do any green housing, which is already covered by water vapor. Because people are not familiar with the size of the Atmosphere in Tonnes, they are easily mislead by these statements about tonnes of Co2. If you have 3cents and I give you another 2 cents, you will have sixty percent increase in your financial worth. but, quite correctly, you don't care. it's meaningless. you have to have the number in its context.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:19 | 4406392 MeelionDollerBogus
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Anything more than 400 molecules per MILLION is enough to end our species 100% guaranteed inside 200 years so it matter a lot. Trace amounts are not to be ignored: they are in fact MORE important than non-trace amounts because they ABSOLUTELY CAN KILL US and it's much harder to track without specialized equipment & motivated people who aren't brainwashed fucktards such as yourself always saying "don't look, nothing to see here".

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:31 | 4405559 Calmyourself
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Commercial greenhouses use it to increase plant growth, we should outlaw plant growth and water vapor.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:20 | 4406389 MeelionDollerBogus
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We should outlaw turning the entire planet into a greenhouse: that can't support HUMAN life, that's why we put those things IN A GLASS FUCKING BOX. You can't live in the box too, biology is incompatible.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:41 | 4406634 Calmyourself
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Guess what MDB, none of us buy it anymore and without our buy-in there is not shit you can do about your little political umm I mean climate problem.  I will not go quietly into that good night you seem determined to move me toward.   So establish your little hubs and your behaviour modificatio nstrategies and know this there is a line you will not cross and when you do you and your ilk will rapidly back away from it.  Privacy, self determination and freedo m are about to make a resurgence.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 22:48 | 4406658 Calmyourself
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Guess what MDB, none of us buy it anymore and without our buy-in there is not shit you can do about your little political umm I mean climate problem.  I will not go quietly into that good night you seem determined to move me toward.   So establish your little hubs and your behaviour modificatio nstrategies and know this there is a line you will not cross and when you do you and your ilk will rapidly back away from it.  Privacy, self determination and freedo m are about to make a resurgence.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:27 | 4407080 MeelionDollerBogus
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guess what? MOST of the world is living the damage every day & can't be tricked into thinking there is no global warming.
We can feel the heat, we can read thermometers, we've been alive long enough to see the change, and we can all PERSONALLY repeat any experiment needed to verify methane & CO2 are A) PRESENT in concentrations that are too high and B) also induce the heat deflection claimed for global warming.
ANY PERSON can emit infrared using a heat source & use an IR camera to SEE the deflection.
Plain as day.
You're in the far minority because the minority is composed of A) people who are illterate and B) people who are lying

YOU have crossed the line.

OUR KIND who want to survive are arming up so that YOUR KIND can't kill us and we have EVERY reason to use ANY means necesary to stop you from getting us all killed. We are the majority and far better armed.

Your abuse of my atmosphere is removal of my self-determination and a large number of jacketed options allow me to reclaim my self-determination.

To deny glopbal warming is to demand the removal of freedom of 7 billion people and it is criminally wrong.

You're free to abuse any atmosphere you want as long as ONLY YOU are the one breathing it. Not me.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:53 | 4405020 Flakmeister
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Since you clearly a fucking expert, what temperature would the earth be if there was no C02 in the atmosphere?

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:01 | 4405090 adr
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Most likely somewhere near the same. Plants would have needed to develop a different way to photosynthesize, maybe from other trace gases. Argon makes up far more of the atmosphere than CO2.

Ozone has more of an effect on the temperature of the planet blocking some solar radiation. Along with the magnetic field. I'd argue that recent warming is related more to the weakening of the Earth's magnetic field over the last hundred years than any measurable increase in CO2. More solar radiation hitting the ice pack will melt it faster than a simple increase in temperature.

A microwave melts ice faster than a blowtorch.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:16 | 4405168 Flakmeister
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Making shit up...

It would be 35 degrees colder within 10 years... Water vapor condenses out very very quickly..

A little C02 goes a long way...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:48 | 4405357 SAT 800
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OOH ! You're a real expert ! you know something no one else knows or can possibly know. Now, that's impressive.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:19 | 4406387 MeelionDollerBogus
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You're a real fucktard, pretending knowledge is impossible that ANYONE can figure out on their own with 10 minutes of homework on infrared with Co2. Transmission, reflection, absorption. THOSE are the options, fucktard.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:12 | 4405706 hardcleareye
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Cite your source (or give me a link to understand why).... I'm curious and want to understand the mech of this.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:39 | 4406448 Flakmeister
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Start here:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/04/water-vapour-feedb...

Ironically of all places you can find a graph at WUWT which hints at what is going on...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oDFMp8_K5kw/UuC7vRCn2xI/AAAAAAAAE5w/YlsvQqQ2JV...

Note the very sharp rise: I do not know the origin of the different curves...

Basically, water vapor condenses out, it is a feedback, a little more or less C02 leads to lot more (less) water vapor. So while WV is more important a GHG, it does not drive things because it condenses...

We would be utterly fucked without the C02 to keep the heat in. Too much will do us in though...

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:04 | 4405108 Lumberjack
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1. Australia's carbon tax reduced CO2 by about 5%, Yet they are having record heat.

 

Speaking of HELL,  Do you know that Bill McKibbin of 350 dot org is a sunday school teacher? Seems to like kids I suppose...

 

350.org and The Guardian’s Suzanne Goldenberg support and defend pro-pedophile anti-fracking activist, Verga Scroggins. According to this news article:

Environmentalists Defend Pedophilia Advocate
Fractivist barred from oil company’s lands said parents should engage their children sexually

http://freebeacon.com/environmentalists-defend-pedophilia-advocate/

In addition to her work combatting fracking, an innovative oil and gas technique that experts say is an economic game-changer for the United States and could help ensure energy independence, Scroggins is also an advocate of incest and pedophilia.

Scroggins expressed her desire for parents to engage their children sexually at a young age in a series of messages in 2001 posted to an online message board called Peacelist.

“Are there cultures that mothers or fathers pleasure their children and teenagers sexually or genitally and also possibly initiate them into sexual expression at some point?” she asked.

“I have had intuitive thoughts that such would be a healthy way for parents to interact with their children and introduce their children to sensual/sexual pleasure and bonding and loving practices.”

“Who better to do it, than the parents first?” she wrote.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:06 | 4406340 MeelionDollerBogus
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Dumbass, that's because Co2 output from ALL PARTS OF THE EARTH at once are input to the heat felt ANYWHERE. Australia can't do it alone, EVERYONE has to do it or we all die.
Except it's too late: 15  years ago was the tipping point. Now the arctic is melting it can't be reversed. It's over. Extinction is guaranteed within 200 years. All humans will be killed all at once.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 23:26 | 4406744 Lumberjack
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Hey retard, no shit. Too bad you didn't recognize the sarcasm for what it was (although like the arguements being made by the CULT of AGW, this could hold water too).

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/02/7b-paid-in-carbon-tax-to-reduce-co2-by-...

 

Also, we are now beginning is a multi decadal cooling period. 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:05 | 4407059 Flakmeister
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When did the temperature trend change?

Can you cite a model that shows a cooling trend is predicted? 

Or are you simply making shit up?

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 09:20 | 4407356 Flakmeister
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So why don;t you tell us when exactly the cooling trend started, what year? Demonstrate a significant change in the trend.

Here is the data:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php

From 1979 to present: Trend: 0.158 ±0.044 °C/decade (2 sigma) 

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 03:34 | 4407086 MeelionDollerBogus
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sorry, I missed the invisible /sarc.

My bad.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:19 | 4405187 SAT 800
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This is a meaningless question. it involves a non-performable experiment. Make yourself an expert; look up some facts on the internet. The temptation to fall in love with cult belief systems has to be fought against. If you have a good enough hard science education and the orientation to fealty to reality required of a good scientist you won't have any trouble finding the information you need. Richard Lindzen has published some papers you can find with google that summarize some basics of CO2 and the energy balance. And yes, I remember that you told me before Richard Lindzen couldn't be read because he was a member of the enemy camp; thereby revealing that you are a cult member, and not a sincere seeker of facts.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 09:24 | 4407386 Flakmeister
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Do even know what Lindzen published? Could you explain exactly what he was proposed? Do you think he was disputing the role of C02? 

Does any data support his theory? 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 17:38 | 4405587 FredFlintstone
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My chemistry professor told us that eventually all of the CO2 in the atmosphere will dissolve into the ocean. If that is true shouldn't we hurry up and make some more? If there is too much, maybe some of the more enthusiastic among us should hold their breath.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:04 | 4406327 MeelionDollerBogus
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Dude, that will turn the oceans to carbonic acid and kill all our sea food. Some of the fish are food for other things we eat.
Your teacher is wrong because equilibrium happens between atmosphere & ocean BUT if your teacher was right, it would probably end all life on Earth.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:01 | 4406319 MeelionDollerBogus
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And look at what a trace amount of cyanide will do: KILL YOU.
A trace amount of CO2 added will TIP THE BALANCE.
If there was as much CO2 in the air as nitrogen so it wasn't a "trace gas" there'd be possibly NO life on Earth at all.
Your assertions have no logic & are pure propaganda.
The effect is GIGANTIC and IMMEDIATELY FELT.

Anyone can repeat this experiment:
slowly add 1 ppm Co2 to a box, glass or plastic.
Shine an infrared light ON the gas from the edge of the box on the INSIDE. Use an infrared camera on the INSIDE to measure how much is deflected.
It's a rapid, rapid increase & it will kill us all when our entire sky is the experiment.
SAT 50 knocks it out of the park again.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:05 | 4404765 AmericasCicero
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We need more electrolytes!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 15:56 | 4405060 akak
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It's what we crave!

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:01 | 4405084 Flakmeister
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Hey Akak, how people in Alaska are denying that it's getter warmer?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:14 | 4405159 akak
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It's hard to deny the warming climate when we can all watch pretty much every glacier here getting thinner and receding year after year for many decades now.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:49 | 4405367 SAT 800
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It's hard unless you have some knowledge; then it becomes very easy.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!