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"F**k The EU" - US State Department Blasts Europe; Revealed As Alleged Mastermind Behind Ukraine Unrest
A leaked recording of a telephone conversation allegedly between US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing who should be in Ukraine's next government has, according to The FT, threatened to fuel east-west tensions over the troubled nation's future. In apparent frustration with the EU – which has failed to join the US in threatening sanctions against Ukraine’s leaders if they violently crush the protests – the voice resembling Ms Nuland at one point exclaims "Fuck the EU". As the two US diplomats decide whether "Klitsch" or "Yats" should be 'in' or 'out', listeners will be reminded (uncomfortably) that the governments of Ukraine and Russia previously alleged that the protests are being funded and orchestrated by the US.
The authenticity of the recording has not been confirmed (though comparisons to Nuland's recent media appearances provide some confidence) - the FT reported that the US embassy in Kiev declined to comment, which is a tacit admission: if the clip was a fake, the US would immediately make it clear.
Needless to say, as the FT adds, "[this clip] could also bolster a propaganda campaign by the governments of Ukraine and Russia alleging that the protests that erupted against Ukraine’s President Viktor Yanukovich last November are being funded and orchestrated by the US." Its release ahead of the day the Sochi Olympics start is also somewhat disturbing.
An excerpt on the US meddling...
“I think Yats [Yatsenyuk] is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience,” Nuland says. “What he needs is Klitsch [Klitschko] and [Oleh] Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in, he’s going to be at that level, working for Yatsenyuk, it’s just not going to work.”
Pyatt agrees.
“Let me work on Klitschko,” he can be heard saying, “and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing.”
The controversial alleged Nuland "Fuck The EU" clip... (the discussion of the EU and UN involvement begins around 2:50)
And for comparison's sake - Nuland last month delivering a statement on the situation in Ukraine...
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In a clip posted on YouTube, voices resembling those of Victoria Nuland, a US assistant secretary of state, and Geoffrey Pyatt, ambassador to Ukraine, are heard talking by telephone about how to resolve the stand-off in Kiev after two months of anti-government protests.
In apparent frustration with the EU – which has failed to join the US in threatening sanctions against Ukraine’s leaders if they violently crush the protests – the voice resembling Ms Nuland at one point exclaims “F**k the EU”.
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The two voices suggest Arseny Yatseniuk, the opposition leader and a former foreign minister, should be in a new government in Kiev. But Vitali Klitschko, a former heavyweight boxer and identified as “top dog” among opposition leaders, is also described as inexperienced and needing to “do his political homework”.
The voice resembling Ms Nuland refers to the two men as “Yats” and “Klitsch”.
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It could also bolster a propaganda campaign by the governments of Ukraine and Russia alleging that the protests that erupted against Ukraine’s President Viktor Yanukovich last November are being funded and orchestrated by the US.
As we warned previously, after the Olympics, Ukraine becomes a very hot spot indeed...
The Western powers represented by the EU and the US have nothing to stand on to protect Ukraine and can only offer lip-service at best. So once again, it appears that Ukraine is doomed and the best one can hope for there, is that Russia will allow the West to leave. The countdown goes forward and the political and economic crisis is indicative of what we see with the first shot across the bow in the rising trend of the Cycle of War.
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Awsome
Boom goes the dynamite.
The authenticity of the recording has not been confirmed
That sounds like something that The Matrix would say.
Are you Treadstone? Blackbriar?
What color is the boat house at Hereford?
Code in, please.
What difference does it make?
Billary?
The origin of this fake "leaked recording of a telephone conversation" is from the audio studio of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB).
"Look at what they make you give."
Zero Hedge is full of beans again.
It is time for the US to bomb the financial times. Pearson deserves it after all their troublemaking not to mention they have poisoned education across the united states with that damn common core. Fuck the FT!
UKRAINE... Just Another BARBAROUS RELIC To Be usaMANipulated...
I am getting sick of the 'Russia/USA starting trouble during the Olympics' meme going on here.
Russia invades Georgia August 2008. Didn't Hilter pull some shit just after the Olympics?
You wanna compare US and Russia on invasions, Rigby? I think the US has a higher score.
The EU knows who controls the switch to their heat.
the bottom line^
So when does the US get labelled a rogue state?
Gee. Someone has egg on her face.
criminal vipers. if they set foot in Ukraine, the government should hang them for fomenting violence and unrest.
collectivist fratboys
The real question is who released this clip?
Klitsch and his friends do not control the whole world - yet:
http://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/kliczko-lubawicz-kaczynski-and/
Figures.
Stay classy, State Department.
Putin's girlfriend comes to mind for some reason.
Why do all te women surrounding Nuland at the hearings look like ball busting split lickers?
Just another legacy of Hillary administration, or the fact that Kerry is a balless homo wanabe?
@V in PA. Russia did NOT invade. stick to the facts please.
Ms. Nuland's mother must be SO proud!
That stuff looked to white to be egg.
Right after they (or their agents) interfere with Vlad's big party... Unless the US has changed its policy so Foreign Service officers are now free to discuss implementation of US strategic policy on UNSECURED communication channels...
But someone must really think the denizens of Foggy Bottom are getting dense, if they are stooping so low as to blatantly dropping raw intercepts into the media's lap.
But she used the "F" word.
Naughty woman.
Ukraine, with Russia's help, has the same capacity to intercept and decrypt a phone call to the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine (stationed in Ukraine) as the NSA has.
The recording is real, it would be nearly impossible for Ukraine or Russia to produce such an accent free and flowing conversation full of the Beltway idiom and with the voices so matching those of the U.S. personnel implicated. The burden is on the U.S. to prove it is a fake at this point.
BTW, good to see the government trolls active and at their stations using our tax dollars to spread their .gov disinformation. /sarc
Has been since April 12, 1861. Article 3, Section 3 says so.
Even clearer on November 22, 1963.
Then September 11, 2001.
"Guillotine? Guillotine? Anyone? Guillotine..?"
Sidenote: Much has been made of the 9/11 "attack" at the Pentagon. New video evidence that the Gestopo, FBI, didn't manage to confiscate has surfaced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypc4ieJO0pg
Here's some nice footage...
RENTagonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW80RrjxBa4
TY Rusty and wow
Yes indeed mate
In whose copybook ? IN my world; they have been for years; completely off the hook foreign invasions; bullshit "explanations"; not acceptable. Un-civilized.
It's not just underwear.
Beware of toothpaste.
Yeah, and who has killed more Ukrainians, Russia or the USA? I'm thinking that the country that murdered nearly 10 million Ukrainians via planned famine, has a long climb to reach the moral high ground.
Ignorant post.
From 1917 thru Stalin, Russians were never in control.
Soviet was not a Russian construct.
Stalin was not a Russian.
Russians suffered same famine, and more.
Russians suffered more than anyone.
Read "The Harvest of Sorrow" by Robert Conquest
Stalin was Georgian, and Kaganovich was Jewish, but Molotov was Russian {although his wife was Jewish - not uncommon amongst the non-Jewish Old Bolsheviks, including Stalin}
Stalin's "anti-Semitic" purges of course, weren't so much him going after Jews because they were Jewish {he married one after all} but going after political rivals.
The reason so many were Jewish is so many of the Old Bolsheviks were Jewish, despite being a tiny minority. Sometimes this is overstated, no doubt, but what wikipediahas to say on the subject of 'Jewish Bolshevism' which naturally trots out the "anti-Semitism" canard, is pure bullshit.
The Holdomor was certainly a genocide, and whatever legitimate debates there might be about cause and extent, it is shameful that the likes of Abe Foxman is lecturing Ukrainians not to call it a genocide, might it compete with the Nazi Holocaust and expose the prominent role of Jews in that deliberately engineered famine.
http://www.ukrcdn.com/2010/02/18/yushchenko-the-only-ukrainian-president...
http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2010/08/08/thoughts-on-abe-foxman...
http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/hdocu-intro.htm
How could it be overstated if sometimes over 90% of the Soviet leadership was Jewish?
Klitschko & Friends:
http://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/kliczko-lubawicz-kaczynski-and/
Dude, you're wack. The Russians have been doing Ukraine in the ass for the past 600 years. Not to mention Poland and the Caucus. Russians are a rung above barbarians. On a good day.
Yeah but Russia isn't run by Jewish Communists who starve them by the millions on purpose anymore.
If I had to choose whether or not to be controlled by the West or Russia in the year 2014, I would choose Russia in zero seconds flat.
Your a fucking idiot. I will personally pay for your ticket if you promise to never come back. Borris can pick you up at the airport.....
im getting sick of the Olympics in general. billions of dollars to watch a bunch of freaks skate around in tights. fuck curling
Fuck these crybaby spoiled atheletes who bitch because they cant drink water from the tap or get a mani/pedi/massage at their beck and call. They participate not for the medal or glory. They participate for the hope of a corporate sponsorship. Fuck Shaun White too.
I guess these assclowns never went to Mexico and drank from the tap.
Where's my down-free pillow, comrade?
Our "ath-uh-leets" are a national embarassment. We send them, all expenses paid, with milk on their chin from years of sucking taxpayer booby, to facilities specially constructed for their edification, and all we hear back from the little narcissists is complaints about a 2x4 in their path, a manhole cover slightly out of place, or the stink of fresh paint, or locals not kissing their ass with sufficient gusto. It was the same in Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Lake Placid: there was a mad scramble at the last minute to get everything ready, and when the ath-uh-leets finally arrived, the little pricks did nothing but complain. To hell with them.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, FUCK THE ENTIRE OLYMPIC INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
Why do they have to be held in a different place every time? Set ONE location for the summer games, ONE location for the winter games, save BILLIONS$, and anybody who wants to participate can do so by RAISING THEIR OWN FUNDS. ...AND NOBODY GETS TO PARTICIPATE MORE THAN ONCE. ...And anybody on the OIC who demands to be addressed with a formal title like "Excellency" can go fuck himself with extreme prejudice.
Word.
Mogadishu, Somalia for the summer
Prirazlomnaya oil platform in the winter.
Another Stephan Molyneux golden gem: "Rich Dicks on Ice"
LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR3xKmFPjOQ
Amen brother. I say F..k the whole SPORTS / ENTERTAINMENT / INFOTAINMENT / MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA Bread 'n Circuses bullshit Complex. Let them all f..king eat cake. In a culture where wacked out kids like Miley and Justin are worshipped and where f..ing fred flintstone iq'ed neandertahls get 100's of millions for swinging a piece of wood deserves the same fate as Rome, and will get it. The dumb f..ks are not the leaders, it is the brain dead joe / jane 6 pack who hasn't had an original thought all his / her life. Anyone with half a brain can see that Ukraine is in a tug of war between the West and Russia, either way the Ukrainians get f...ked. Went for a haircut the other day, the hairdresser was Lithuanian, and said that since joining the EU, the people have been screwed....everything has doubled and tripled in price and no one has jobs, everyone's running off to Germany or Finland to try and find work. The promised utopia never materialized and neither will it with Ukraine. Hey Ukrainians tell both the USSA and USSR to go F..K themselves!!!
lots of booze and drugs in curling. what I hate about it is the love of one's competitor.
and...F the UN X 23.
Sir; I'll have you know that's my ancestral sport. All proper Scots love curling.
don't forget, " If it's not Scottish, IT'S CRRRAP!!!"
I might be a woman beater but Im not a pussy eater
When the shit hits the fan its outta my mouth
You might want to do more research on the 2008 "Russia invades Georgia" event. Like the preceding event.
Russia went in to autonomous enclave that is almost 100% populated by ethnic Russians, and only after Georgians, ill-advised by US "consultants" (retired generals) rolled in with tanks and artillery and started indiscriminately murdering civilians. "Consultants" immediately packed their loot and run away with brown underpants.
Get your facts right.
I was always of the understanding that Israeli "consultants" had a lot to do with it, either way, controlled by the same people.
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."
Yes..credible source tells a General in command in real.
advisors were on the ground, last seen running back to Tblishi.
"That Was No Small War in Georgia" Mark Ames Radar Magazine...search it
Georgians hate Saakasvilli and kicked him..now given position at a US University...Psychopath drug addict...
Ossetians are not blood Russians, more Persians...but many hold Russian citizenship. and there are Russians living there, intermarried and other reasons...
These identify with, and look to Russia for protection.
The Georgians most certainly provoked that war and got their ass handed to them. A friend of mine was there at the time and she said nearly half the government were dual Israeli citizens. Now I seem to remember some other country like that (scratching my head...).
Correct. Russians tell Saakasvilli is American not Georgian, check his trail in US..
Lots of US$, drug traffic, torture, kwhite slavery kidnapping and murder..after Saakasvilli rode in on "democratic revolution"
You're wasting your breath. This crowd would Putin to sainthood if it could. The idea of that thug getting praise on a blog dedicated to individual liberty is disgusting. I escaped Ukraine in 1980 and returned in 1995. Conditions had not changed and were EXACTLY like journalists describe - dirty, stinking, slumlike "housing". The constant rancid smell cannot be described. Plumbing, electricity, phone and mail did not work. Here we are in 2013 and nothing has changed. Sochi is the prime example of the corruption in Russia and is the norm - not the exception. No one needed to prod Ukraine to the EU - the vast majority is not itching to "join" the Russian empire.
Bullshit.
Forgot to say Ukraine had pro-western government?
Those turned out to be even bigger kleptomaniacs than communists. They just turned blind eye on western corporations raping Ukraine's resources and flooding market with imported goods. But, that's nice in EU eyes.
Get this: EU and US don't want you to have democratic government - they want to install puppet government. That makes them no different than Putin. Just, I'm afraid that in this case Putin has more to offer.
That is the correct response. Also, it's somewhat ludricrous to expect Russia to accept a NATO country with a common border. Do you suppose Washington would accept Mexico joining the Warsaw Pact? Not likely, eh?
Ukrainan Orange criminals helped enable Georgia 08/08/08..
Despite your love affair with Russia, only in the EU and US could you make such statements as yours without fear of reprisal. The censorship and rampant cronyism in Russia is so widespread that it's taken for granted when not praised by the idiots on ZH. I rarely visit the site any more since it has gained a reputation as a meeting house for conspiracy, antisemitic, pro-Arab nuts. And this is sad since some of the Tylers still offer great economic commentary.
Putin is God to most of the fuck heads here. They worship at his alter.
An alternative interpretation is that those "fuck heads" are not displeased that the one nation able to stand up to a government by, of, and for the corporations, is doing so. Maybe they're thinking of it along the lines of "the enemy of my enemy . . . "
But I can't say for sure because I, for one, welcome everything our government is doing . . . for the children, of course.
Your (and other comments) remind me of all the nutcases who admire "strong" leaders because they "keep people in their place" and "don't put up with shit" and "say something and mean it". It is ideas like this that have led to ZH devolving from an interesting place for good commentary on economics to a laughing stock filled with sympathizers for Iran, Syria and Russia, anti-semites and your basic conspiracy nut. How many times can you predict the end of the world in two months? LOL
No
"Russia invades Georgia August 2008. Didn't Hilter pull some shit just after the Olympics?"
yeah to stop ethnic cleansing when Georgia troops started shelling civilians without cause.
FT=New Bolsheviks=Rothschild=NWO.
Agreed, so why are the Rothschilds leaking intercepted diplomatic phone calls and where did they get them? Diplomats from the home of the NSA should know about phone security so I imagine it wasn't child's play to get this recording. FSB? Mossad? Maybe even NSA? The background behind this story, just the fact that it exists is more interesting than what two diplomats talked about behind the scenes (or so they thought).
She was talking to the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine in the Ukraine. Thus the conversation was either encrypted wireless via satellite to the U.S. embassy in Ukraine, or encrypted through a land line. It would have been trivially easy for Ukraine to intercept the conversation and not terribly difficult for Russia to decrypt it, given its probable importance. And that moderate difficulty presupposes that Ukraine govt./Russia did not crack into the embassy computers and obtain the key.
Why do we suppose that Russians and Ukrainians are simpletons who lack engineers. Ever heard of Kaspersky? Any American with half a brain uses their software. They have the best engineers in the World.
Best Physicists.
Best Programmers.
Best Educated Middle Class.
Russian Federation is only 20 plus years free....
Media controllers want Americans think it is dark ages with drunken bears dancing...btw,
Best Dancers also
Music? Singers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT8ElbZTGdg
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Some of you guys will need G translator, but it is worth to do.
http://leva-net.webnode.cz/products/lidova-tvorivost-o-euromajdanu-a-nej...
Lot of fun also...
===================FUCK COMMON CORE=======================
Seems as if ZH is merely re-reporting FT's story - how did you officially confirm that the recording as fake/bogus?
You working with state of the art kit & have an original copy of the recording?
"We all work alone, mate."
TIS, you just [re]watched the Bourne trilogy, didn't you. ;-)
Weather SUCKS lately so I watched Ronin and The Bourne Trilogy recently, and it got me all hot & bothered.
I love at least moderately decent films that mirror the fucked up, warped, morally corrupt reality of the world we live in.
I thought about watching Clockwork Orange but decided against, since that may have caused a fit of "breaking shit," and they really haven't made a decent film based on Orwell's 1984 nor Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle, yet.
...And they never will. Ahem.
Because we're already living 1984, the advanced version.
A hybrid of 1984, and of course Atlas Shrugged, with its comprehensively cronified business, disgusting populist lefty rhetoric spewing politicians, union fucks, welfare sucking whiny perms-dependents, etc. Unions and TBTF massively backed Obama and fellow traveler Dems in 08 and 12.
I recommend you watch The Veteran. It is a small british production, but the plot and acting are excellent.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1653700/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
"Ms Nuland could not be reached for comment. Phone calls to her office were not returned."
Check out Nuland's bio:
http://www.nndb.com/people/567/000120207/
And that of her husband (in particular the title of his book):
http://www.nndb.com/people/567/000120207/
usual suspects
and let me guess... dual nationals, loyal to ????
It is so obvious US government needs a giant enema.
step one, no dual national may be elected to office or hold any government position. that would probably solve about 75% of the issue.
Colon Blow!
US Official Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Dick Cheney (2003-05)
lol
btw, you posted the same link twice
US Official Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Dick Cheney (2003-05)
lol
btw, you posted the same link twice
Opps - - - sorry about that. Here's the proper link with her hubbie - a long time neo con, to say the least:
http://www.nndb.com/people/379/000048235/
Whoa! Co-founder of PNAC!! Good lord!
That is awful. what a mess. why the hell can't we get some normal educated Americans in the American government; instead of nut-job world-domination; zionist crazies?
PNAC was a key progenitor of the 9/11 false flag.
Worthless government fucks.
Very, very telling. Rich, privileged, smart, East Coast elite neo-con. Some of the most dangerous people in the world. What most of us would see as an obviously stupid thing to do, they see as an affront to their superior abilities. And they're smart and capable enough to get way, way into the tall grass before they can tell they're in trouble at all.
Elected officials come and go, but these critters stick around.
And change their stripes.
See Reilgion http://www.nndb.com/people/567/000120207/
Great find "HardAssets", I appreciate seeing who really was doing the talking. I don't think her being Jewish would matter, but were the west Ukrainians she supports to find out she is a jew, she better know how to run fast. The nazi jew killers were shocked by the murderous terror that local Ukrainians took out of Ukrainian jews the very day of liberation by the gernam army. In kiev in particular, locals grabbed jews and stripped them, raped the young women, and beat them to death with sticks and bricks. And in case someone says "Ph no, that didn't happen". The nazis filmed it all, and it is reported that many German soldier vomited and grew sick watching the killing, it was so brutal.
This Jewish woman has to remember that given a chance, they would rip her to bits in a heart beat.
Great find.
The Ukraine is the breadbasket for Russian and the neo-con New Bolsheviks want to rape it and get their Monsatan GMO products in there. Thankfully Putin has experience in rousting Bolskeviks as he has sent many of the oligarch New Bolsheviks who raped Russia packing and then tracked some of the worst down and terminated them.
one word, holodomor. carried out by zionists of a russian variety... the locals clearly didn't forget.
As in the pogroms in Poland, the anti-Jewish feeling did not materialize out of thin air, but given the view that Jews had had a large hand in the native population's occupation, dispossession, and persecution. It should go without saying this doesn't excuse raping {ever} or killing innocent people, but the hate certainly had a basis. A similar thing happened in Spain as the Moors were being ejected - the Jews were viewed as having helped the Moors invade centuries before, and in helping them as the Castillians advanced... one might claim that they simply felt safer under the Muslims than they would Rome, and that's pretty legit, but they were also extremely wealthy under the Moors, and were probably most of all worried about financial losses they might sustain.
In any event, the pogroms were bad in Ukraine, but significantly worse in Poland. Blaming this on "anti-Semitism" is so facile as to be disingenuous.
http://www.culturewars.com/2003/RevolutionaryJew.html
Bingo.
You're too intelligent to be here on ZH. People like yourself have left for the exits a long time ago.
That's all true Jack but between 5 and 8 million Ukrainians were starved to death in the thirties by Lazar Kaganovich (note Kagan bit) who was Jewish as were almost all his henchmen. I bought into all this stuff for decades but extensive exposure to Eastern Europeans showed me that nothing happens in a vacuum. That of course in no sense justifies such atrocities.
A tribe member to boot.
Shocker!
Correct link for Nuland's hubbie - neo-con and a founder of PNAC (Project for the New American Century):
http://www.nndb.com/people/379/000048235/
Comment removed in the interest of self-preservation.
Where are the professionals from the "grassy knoll" when you need them?
That's a cool site HardAssets, I hope I don't get a visit by a couple guys in dark suits now.
And check out the family tree... brother Frederick of AEI:
http://www.nndb.com/people/936/000159459/
And Fred's wife Kim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_the_Study_of_War
It should be called The Institute for Starting War... The O'Bagey chick worked there briefly also...
Oh and Raytheon and General Dynamics are "supporters"...
@ TruthInSunshine
Zero Hedge Bullshit: "The Western powers represented by the EU and the US have nothing to stand on to protect Ukraine and can only offer lip-service at best..."
Zero Hedge selectively forgets Budapest Memorandum of 1994 and to mention that one of the conditions of Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal in 1994 was the USA guarantees the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine and ... obliged to intervene when conflict situations of this nature arise.
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Ukraine activist 'tortured' into saying he was US spy
A Ukrainian activist who left the country after he was abducted said Thursday his Russian-speaking captors cut off part of his ear and "crucified" him to force him to say he was an American spy...
He accused his abductors, who he believes were Russian secret service agents, of cutting off part of his ear.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jVf1Wc98oiTHxjeMwW7DP...
I am not and have not rendered any opinions on the "who's right/who's wrong" legal/moral ultimate question regarding this situation.
I merely mentioned that anyone who claims they know with any degree of certainty, more alone fully, that the recording wherein "Fuck the EU" is allegedly uttered, is a fake, is either a) in a very high ranking position in an important government (with the highest level of security clearance), or b) full of shit/speculating.
or c) talked to a forensic audio authentication expert (that for some reason FT either did not do or similar to Zero Hedge selectively forgot to mention it).
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Fake Voice (just as an example, there are hundreds of similar products, and FSB has one too [more sophisticated] in their audio lab)
Fake Voice is a voice changer software which changes your voice to male, female, old, young, hard, shrill, or some one new (like Victoria Nuland's voice).
http://fake-voice.software.informer.com/
...doesn't change prosody, cadence, or dialect.
Swing and a miss, asshole.
Moreover, .gov already admitted it was Nuland. You're pretty shitty at the shilling biz.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/world/europe/us-points-to-russia-as-di...
Zero Hedge Bullshit: "The Western powers represented by the EU and the US have nothing to stand on to protect Ukraine and can only offer lip-service at best..."
The EU and the US have nothing to stand on to protect Ukraine?!? Really?
Memorandum on Security Assurance
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
And NYT article confirms what I said earlier, the audio came from and was disseminated by FSB (Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation).
How often do you hear pro-Russia biased Zero Hedge criticizing FSB and not NSA? (and I'm not pro-NSA or against FSB, just pointing out Zero Hedge bullshit).
Russia’s wiretapping ‘SORM boxes’ in Sochi make the NSA look like saints
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/sochis-wiretapping-black-boxes-ma...
The Budapest Memorandum is actually irrelevant.
It's not rape if you ask them to bugger you.
A request for intervention originating FROM THE LAWFUL GOVERNMENT OF THE SOVEREIGN STATE OF UKRAINE is another matter.
They have a lawful government in Ukraine? Man, I am going!
Run the voice track through an oscilloscope and compare it to known good voice samples of the lady. If it's an imposter it will show up.
If it is fake, it's very good, but more than the voice, the sentiments expressed resonate: check the supreme arrogance and duplicity. It's the real deal.
Surveillance state works both ways, Bitchez.
As for "fucking the EU," the EU is doing a fine job of fucking itself and needs no assistance.
we're full of beans... and gold, and ammo, and other physical assets
According to who? Which source? You claim it's fake, then claim its FSB...what the fuck do you know then?
LOL.
Oh, that's Kagan's wife alright.
Everyone's got a plan, until they get punched in the face.
What evidence do you have that it is fake? Serious question. I'd like to consider your evidence and decide for myself.
+1
For...
What evidence do you have that it is fake? Serious question. I'd like to consider your evidence and decide for myself. -- TheMeatTrapper
But curiously, TMT, I can't give you a greenie. That's been happening a lot lately. Seems like it began shortly after I questioned the privacy and anonymity of bitcoin...
You can't give red or green arrows to any post that starts with italics.
Its an error in the site code that has been around for quite some time, surprised they still haven't fixed it.
@Cult...Forget about it. The folks here don't know anything about the FSB,and don't want to hear about it. This 'leak' is certainly Sovok work, but the Taliban here are uninformed and just want to stone somebody nearby.
Look at the adulation given Snowden, a traitor and tool of the FSB from the Hawaii days.
You're assuming the leak didn't come from within our own IC/diplo corps. You're just here, I reckon, to blame Ivan.
Snowden?
Limited hangout. Our very own Goldstein.
Snowden warned us.
All phone calls are recorded and stored by NSA. All are transcribed to text by speach to text software. All are searchable for words and phrases and voice prints.
She meant to say fuck the Fed
I don't have any problem with that conversation. She seemed intelligent and articulate and reasonable in her opinions. Who cares if she said "Fuck the EU", because the EU is impotent and irrelevant.
It was quite refreshing. And Mr. Nigel Farage and I agree with her. Fuck the EU!
Yes, the Ukraine is lost anyway, and apparently the EU could care less. Why should we?
You mean you couldn't care less? Or could you really?
My comment was badly worded. I really do not care what happens to the Ukraine, they voted for Yanukovitch, it is close to Russia and no business of ours.
We too, voted for Ogolfer.
"Fuck The EU"???
Well Miss, FU NU...land!!!
perhaps the EU is not comfortable with over-throwing the lawful Urkranian government.
I think the EU just realized, they don't want a Neo-Nazi state on their borders.
Internationalism Good!
Nationalism Bad!
thats Sacred Truth in the EU, and it's just about illegal to say otherwise there....., for now, until it flips back the other way around again.
I bet Nuland, the IMF and BIS are warm bubble bath with a glass of wine and candles comfortable about it.
what's it to israel?