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4th Financial Services Executive Found Dead; "From Self-Inflicted Nail-Gun Wounds"
The ugly rash of financial services executive suicides appears to have spread once again. Following the jumping deaths of 2 London bankers and a former-Fed economist in the US, The Denver Post reports Richard Talley, founder and CEO of American Title, was found dead in his home from self-inflicted wounds - from a nail-gun. Talley's company was under investigation from insurance regulators.
Richard Talley, 57, and the company he founded in 2001 were under investigation by state insurance regulators at the time of his death late Tuesday, an agency spokesman confirmed Thursday.
It was unclear how long the investigation had been ongoing or its primary focus.
A coroner's spokeswoman Thursday said Talley was found in his garage by a family member who called authorities. They said Talley died from seven or eight self-inflicted wounds from a nail gun fired into his torso and head.
Also unclear is whether Talley's suicide was related to the investigation by the Colorado Division of Insurance, which regulates title companies.
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A checkered past?
Before coming to Colorado, Talley was a former regional financial officer at Drexel Burnham Lambert in Chicago, where he met his wife, Cheryl, a vice president at the company. The two married in 1989.
Talley had formed a number of companies, some now defunct, according to the Colorado secretary of state's office. Among them: American Escrow, Clear Title, Clear Creek Financial Holdings, Swift Basin, Sumar, American Real Estate Services, and the American Alliance of Real Estate Professionals.
It would appear, unfortunately, that Mr. Talley was not an entirely honest man...
Talley's 1989 wedding announcement in the Chicago Tribune noted he was "a member of the 1980 U.S. Olympic swimming team."
A spokeswoman for USA Swimming on Thursday said Talley was not on the team.
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Chuck Norris could do it.
Chuck Norris did it twice; it was no accident.
Depends on the nail gun.
If it was the compressed air type, it's plausible to empty the clip into your head. The safety release would be held by the mass of your head, and you just have to jam 2 fingers in the trigger slot. Some of them can fire so fast that 50 nails can be gone in a few seconds.
The gas explosion type on the other hand... not so much. The combustion chamber takes a while to fill before it fires. They're typically only 1 nail every couple of seconds.
Nope. They don't work like that. Mine (Hitachi, one of the most popular on the market), either needs a trigger pull for every shot, or it can go into a mode where if you hold the trigger it will fire every time the bump plate is fully depressed. It has to reset for every shot in either mode. No full auto is possible.
I agree dryam... it's starting to get a bit of an aroma... and suddenly become a regular occurance as well. Does the manner in which these people are alledgely taking their pwn lives seem just a little macabre, when put in context of taking your own life, seem odd to anyone else here?
Why choose such complicated and 'risky' methods (ie: could easily not be successful) in which to dispose of yourself... especially if there's a chance a family may have to endure the scares and horror of actually finding you post the deed. Why would you do that?
A nail gun... to the abdomin... and the head... 7 or 8 times... seriously?? You're already in the garage according to the report... close the doors into the garage, turn the car, take a seat, choose a suitable sound track on the stereo... and then relax.
Odd
"Does the manner...seem just a little macabre...?"
Yes. And the next bankster suicide will be a self-immolation by thermite.
since when is title insurance banking?
Since the Fed and USTres. bought back all the lame MBS from the TBTF banks. Resting now on the solid shoulders of your everyday taxpayer Joe the Plumber..........or Fred the Framer
Artie Lange stabbed himself 9 times with a 13 inch knife... he was hesitant on the first stab, the rest were full plunges.
Addicted to heroin and gambling and hookers, Lange hit bottom in 2010 with a truly gruesome suicide attempt. Reaching for his fifth slice of pizza, Lange casually notes it happened in this very room. He chugged from a bottle of bleach, stabbed himself in the stomach nine times and slit his wrists.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/artie-lange-on-his-suicide-attempt-and-life-after-howard-stern-20131010#ixzz2shf7wMoaFollow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
No way a suicide. He had at least one enemy.
Gee...I dunno !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRqyy-OQLHU
suicide by bolt action rifle.
LMFAO Boris. My sentiments exactly.
Let me guess: "Suicide"
It was a MERSy killing.
Suicide by 2 shots to the head? happens in the US too.
Gary Webb is a prime example
http://www.firebrandcentral.com/2013/01/23/cia-drug-trafficking-exposed-...
Decorated OKC police officer Terrance Yeakey is another example. After Terry tortured himself, he dragged himself into a field, shot himself in the back of the head, and then chucked the gun. There is no disputing that he was very distressed over finding unexploded bombs in the federal building when he arrived as first responder; his record of public statements makes that clear (as well as much more).
This is how Putin would do it. With a vodka shooter in-between rounds.
flexible, very flexible
Ruled lead poisoning, I presume.
Oh for Christ's sake, who in the hell kills themselves by shooting mutiple nails into their body? Maybe a deranged psycho, and I am will bet Boris's money that this Fuckwad was not.
"The medium is the message"
Marshall McLuhan
In FL we use gator teeth and the booze cruise to the glades
Torso? Ouch'
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Twenty four nails, including twelve arranged around the skull and several through each hand and wrist (which were suspending him from the garage wall when he was found).
I sure hope he was wearing his safety glasses.
and hearing protection, steel toed shoes and was properly tied off.
So is the nail gun manufacturer going to be sued, for sellng a dangerous product. Who could have known.
Maybe busy-body congress is legislate "Assault Nailgun Ban". If can save even one banker, is right thing to do, no!?
to bring down the establishment, use revolution, and later get the Napoleon installed, and central bank...history of one of the Central banks: In 1800 financial power in France was in the hands of about ten to fifteen banking houses whose founders, in most cases, came from Switzerland in the second half of the eighteenth century. These bankers, all Protestant, were deeply involved in the agitations leading up to the French Revolution. When the revolutionary violence got out of hand, they orchestrated the rise of Napoleon, whom they regarded as the restorer of order. As a reward for their support, Napoleon, in 1800, gave these bankers a monopoly over French finance by giving them control of the new Bank of France.[1]
You do have a (unique) way with words!
The bill stalled in committee when members tried to attach a heavy duty stapler rider
+100
Funny, I figured he would have shot himself while relaxing in the hot tub.
Jesus, that's gotta hurt!
I don't get mad, i get stabby
Ban nail gunz!
Wonder how many nails?
Doesn't matter he's just saved Sears. Now all we need is everyone of them to cross dress and we've saved JCPenny to
to paraphrase an old joke "...when the investigating officers discovered 47 bullet holes in the riddled corpse, they exclaimed "..it's the worst case of suicide we've seen in years!"
This crap is just beginning. How much you wanna bet the very figures that these clowns are "singing to" are the one's with the Uzi's, Glocks and ever-handy Senco SN nail guns? One stop shopping: you squeal, you get off'd.
Illumanti must publicly annouce/display their intent actions before they carry them out, as the illumanit feel fate might step in and stop the act from occurring.
If he or they did it right they'd use rusty nails so the infection would do the job.
I don't believe this was a one man job....
And the good news just keep coming !
Unfortunately, not for everyone... Two hits in one day for poor fonestar. Such cruelty in this world...
http://mashable.com/2014/02/07/russia-outlaws-bitcoin/
Wrong and wrong.
Bitcoin did not crash 25% and Bitcoin will do just fine in Russia.
Oh Belvadeeyah, BELvahdeeyah, come HEEYah, boy!
Got a nice juicy bone for ya, dripping with BBQ sauce and bitcoinz....
Candyman CANDYMAN CANDYMAN
"Bitcoin did not crash 25%"
Technically, since the recent 1050 high 12 days ago Bitcoin has crashed 38%.
Chosing data points (and dates) is fun. Bitcoin is going as planned. The hyperdeflation continues as fonestar predicted over a year ago.
Of course BitCoin is not crash, but is come in for soft landing like Thelma & Louise.
622/1050 = 0.5924
so -41% from the recent high
and 622/1200 = 0.5183
so -48% from the all-time high
poor bag-holders :)
You called? How can I help you?
Sure, Dude, whatever floats your boat! It did not "crash", however it experienced a "negative growth" (i.e. with a minus sign) of 25% ...
LOL !
Since when has bitcoin not crashed? We breathe in and out, bitcoin crashes and bounces. Sure, it may stop oscillating one day, just like we will stop breathing one day, but I wouldn't be quick to declare bitcoin's last breath.
Dude do you have a Bitcoin app that alerts you to every post on ZH which mentions it?
In your life before Bitcoin; what in the fuck did you have?
Have you thought about a girlfriend and have you heard about internet porn?
Fonestar has learned of Internet porn. He uses it like the Broncos fans at halftime every time Bitcoin corrects.
Dont get me wrong, I am a big fan of peer-to-peer systems like Bitcoin. Ironic that the BRICs put up the initial R&D but the West is adopting it while the East is distancing itself from it.
"lets see here...vital organs....vital organs....here? OW! Nope. Here? OWWW! Godamnit! Ok this has got to be it" (Thump). Seriously this is how Homer simpson would off himself.
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Nail gun suspicions already aired further down in the comments.
Add a cross and it would be an ironic method of execution.
While drinking some Crown.
Pretty thorny situation.
Rand only drank Crown. Seems like you two have more in common than you think.
C'mon... a nail gun?! Who commits suicide with a nail gun - 7 shots yet? This has to be another one of those "he knew too much" murders. The "weapon" was probably laying neatly by his side ala Vince Foster.
I think the next suicide a banker suffers will be a hit and run accident in which the dead banker was driving the car that he was hit by.
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A brilliant prediction!
"Police say he fell from his car after the door accidentally opened and was run over by the front and rear wheels. He was not wearing a seat belt."
The police now are sending drones to fatal car accidents. Probably just to make sure.
The way they died betrays their intentions. Think about it. There have even been a few reports out about this, some more credible than others of course.
Interesting idea, but still too cryptic to me. I certainly will have to think about it.
soo, the Jigsaw banker killer?
its like Seven, metts Saw, meets Wall Street 2, meets Death Wish. (its mutha-fuckin charlie bronson!)
John McCain and Lindsay Graham introduce new Financial Executive Safety Health Intelligence Test Act (FinExeSHIT Act) mandating that all cars in America be equipped with permanent interlock, anal probe and penile catheter sensitivity systems to proactively cease such accidents from occurring while engaged in financial efforts for the benefit of mankind.
Manufacture of said sensitive electronic equipment will be awarded to the Halliburton companies under a no bid contract at a price to be determined by bidder at a date said bidder sees fit to determine. Such information shall remain sealed.
In order that aid activities do not further increase the federal budget deficit in the interests of the children, taxes upon middle class workers will immediately be raised by an effective 666%, retroactive to a date predating the birth by a period of no less than 3 centuries of said citizen.
Citizens not complying will be remanded to the South Arkansas Federal Mental Hospital, Vegetable Washing and Plutonium Recycling Facility #4
You obviously know 'people'!
That's supposed to be Top Secret.
Hey, that's possible. Didn't you ever hear the story how Abraham Lincoln helped his father build the log cabin he was born in?
they give you plenty of opportunities to shut up. some people get louder when there is a gun pointed at their head telling them that they can get out of their contract but you are going to shut up!
I used to think that I wanted to be a government assassin.
Carefull. Wanting to assassinate the government will get the NSA at your door.
Wanted to be an assassin FOR the government. Besides I have worked for the NSA, used to live in Laurel, MD and Ft. Gordon, GA. Worked here too...
Well you sure as hell never worked as a comedy writer.
The lid has been nailed shut on this one ;)
The "suicides" are as blatant and in your face as the Wall St casino. They don't even care if people know. Next we'll hear about a guy who offed himself but cutting his own head off with an axe.
The whole point is that 'people in the know' know. It's sending a message.
Something wicked this way comes.
I know how this guy feels...I missed all 57 points on PCLN. damn it
I can just picture Joe Pesci sneaking up behind this guy with his nail gun in hand - and then yelling, "YA STUTTERIN' LITTLE PRICK, YA!" while the bankster quivers in fear.
Nailed it!
Banker Smith today committed suicide by feeding himself, feet first, into a wood chipper. This marks the third financier to wood chipper himself to death this week...
Jim Willie says there is a hit list with 43 more bankers on it. Apparently these guys were going to cooperate with the cops on some huge investigation into forex fraud, the Vatican helping the Mafia launder drug money, and some ripoff involving the Bush crime family and a secret Nazi cabal. Can only find a blurb from Willie. Hopefully he is working on one of his trademark epic rants.
Withholding judgement for now. I don't know which is more bullshit: a 7-shot suicide by nailgun, or this idea that the cops would ever give the bankers the treatment they deserve. If this investigation is a threat worthy of the bankers killing so many of their own, then why are the cops saying these murders are suicides? That only happens when the cops are bought off, as usual.
Something obviously has the puppetmasters spooked though. Maybe it is people higher up the pyramid pre-emptively whacking minions who show signs of accidentally growing a soul. Score one for the NSA.
With a nailgun, seven shots is entirely believable. Which also means, that he had six opportunities for second thoughts, to call 911.
Wake me up when one of these father rapers flays himself to death with a potato peeler.
+1 for the Alice's Restaurant reference
Please, please, please let this be the start of an Illuminati crime family war and not just a purge of potential narcs. And please keep the collateral damage to a minimum. No nukes unless it's NY, DC, City of London, or Tel Aviv.
Or a lone wolf vigilante out for justice.
Gotham needs its true hero.
But if that were true then they would be reported as murders, not suicides. Or the lone wolf would do a much better job of making it look like suicide.
Assuming that Willie actually said this, he might want to apply his PhD in Statistics, and determine that the Odds are not in his favor for longevity, if you multiply (a) the odds of him having this kind of info, by (b) the odds of certain people allowing leakers to leak.
In general, it is preferable to use clear & rational thinking, rather than relying on or propagating hearsay.
Jim Willie has gotten death threats for years. IIRC it's why he moved to Central America.
Yea, the CIA never kills anyone outside the US...
Talley died from seven or eight self-inflicted wounds from a nail gun fired into his torso and head.
Americans are fools if they do not begin to suspect every event suspicious of the growing tyranny. Perhaps Joseph Heller (“Catch-22”) meant his comment to be funny: “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you,” but the comment these days is deadly serious.
All the jokes and guffaws about conspiracy theory and CIA assassins under the rock have turned out to be mighty serious subjects for we are learning every day that not only are we watched but we are controlled.
And when a man who may have dangerous information is found dead along the highway and another with repeated wounds from a nail gun, et cetera, we’re just whistling past the graveyard if we do not raise our hackles.
You know the worst part about getting shot with a nail gun? I'd say it has to be the nails.
A guy I knew was on a ladder, 10 feet in the air, nailing sheathing over a loft wall to create rooms for a B&B in their house. The nailgun was set to repeat shots, he hit a board, the gun jumped, and he nailed the webbing between his thumb and forefinger to the wall. His wife was not home and he was standing on top of the ladder. Luckily he had a hammer on his belt, so he dropped the nailgun, pried the nail out, and climbed down. He said that if he hadn't had the hammer on his belt he didn't think he could have pulled his hand free and figured he'd pass out and fall off the ladder, solving the problem. No mention of what the wife said...
Is a nail gun that holds 7 shots legal in Colorado,
or did he have to reload?
He musta been stoned when it happened.
Gateway drug to violent suicides.
There probably was a suicide note "I'm going to kill myself with a nail gun"
Why didn't he just get hooker to sit on his face? Pervy mucas boarding.
+1 for 'pervy mucas boarding'.
The horror!!!
he knew too much
He worked for the company that invented CDOs (and was a hotbed of insider trading).
"Before coming to Colorado, Talley was a former regional financial officer at Drexel Burnham Lambert in Chicago, where he met his wife, Cheryl, a vice president at the company. The two married in 1989"
Read more: Under investigation, American Title CEO dead in grisly suicide - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25081462/under-investigation-american-title-ceo-dead-grisly-suicide#ixzz2sgQ8FgNF
Drexel Burnham Lambert:
1986: Dennis B. Levine, a Drexel banker, pleads guilty to securities fraud as a major insider trading scandal erupts. Drexel becomes Wall Street's most profitable firm, with earnings of $545 million on revenues of more than $4 billion.
1987: Ivan F. Boesky, a leading arbitrageur and Drexel client, pleads guilty to fraud and begins cooperating with the Federal Government, further expanding the insider-trading scandal.
September 1988: In a civil complaint, the Securities and Exchange Commission accuses Drexel and Mr. Milken of insider trading, stock manipulation, and assisting in tax law violations.
December 1988: Drexel agrees to plea guilty to six criminal counts of mail and securities fraud that will be filed by the SEC. As part of the settlement, Drexel agrees to remove Mr. Milken from his position and $650 million in fines.
January 1989: SEC files six felony counts of mail and securities fraud against Drexel.
February 1989: Mr. Milken formally challenges provisions of the Drexel plea-bargaining agreement that calls for his dismissal and withholding of his pay and compensation for 1988.
March 1989: Federal grand jury indicts Mr. Milken on criminal racketeering charges and seeks $1.8 billion in forfeitures from Mr. Milken and other defendants.
April 1989: Drexel and the SEC reach a settlement of civil charges. The settlement caps a a two-and-a-half year investigation that began with Mr. Boesky's testimony. Drexel names John Shad, former head of the SEC as its chairman.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/14/business/the-collapse-of-drexel-burnha...
Thank you. It does seem there was more prosecutions in the 1980s.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/14/business/20110414-prosecut...
In any case, now justice demands Shock and Awe RICO prosecutions and mass trials of Wall Street and mortgage industry in style of the Maxiprocesso (Maxi Trial) of the Mafia in Sicily during the mid-1980s that resulted in hundreds of defendants convicted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nPEgV1oqX0
Over 1,000 convicted.
So, are you saying it was his WIFE who did him with the nail gun to protect the company? I'd like that story.
"C'mon... a nail gun?! Who commits suicide with a nail gun - 7 shots yet? This has to be another one of those "he knew too much" murders. The "weapon" was probably laying neatly by his side ala Vince Foster."
Have you checked out ammo prices lately ? (When you can find it.)
'Suicides' and hitmen gotta economize ya know.
Nail guns, guilotines, boiled rope & lamp posts. Whatever works.
This was personal.
Let me guess, he pissed off his carpenter.
He got nailed
He's an idiot. He could have had a career in roofing.
One day people might value a good roof more than a good loan and skilled trades could pay better than number crunching.
Yep . . . people will need a good roof when the sky is falling.
made me laugh
thanx
Nailed 'em both! - Detective Sgt. Roger Murtaugh
Hey, it's easier than drowning yourself in one inch of water..
Things are really getting strange in the Banking & Financial System. Interesting how the bullion banks are suddenly adding Gold to their REGISTERED INVENTORIES after declining 88% over the past year:
RED ALERT: Coming Currency Collapse & Bullion Banks Rush To Increase Registered Gold InventoriesMaybe he suffered from banker's dissonance
Nuland: US is ready to financially support Ukraine if necessary reforms are conducted
The United States is ready to financially support Ukraine if necessary reforms are conducted in the country, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland said.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/nuland-us-is-ready-to-financial...
US to hit 17.2 Trillion dollar Debt Limit Friday
On Saturday, the debt limit will reset to the current U.S. debt, which is about $17.3 trillion.
At that point, the Treasury Department will begin a series of measures designed to extend its borrowing authority. But Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew has warned those moves only will allow borrowing until the end of the month.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-debt-limit-business-roundtable-congress-20140207,0,3506488.story#ixzz2sg0hs7en
Yellenbucks for everybody!
Yeah where the heck are the headlines about the debt ceiling? Maybe they are going to balance and we don't need to borrow anymore! Yes I have been drinking already.
"Yeah where the heck are the headlines about the debt ceiling? Maybe they are going to balance and we don't need to borrow anymore! "
No, they just decided we don't need to know any more.
suicide by "7 or 8" shots from a nail gun?
Not suspicious.
The first shot must be VERY PAINFUL and I still do not understand how he have the guts to shoot the 2nd shot! WOW!
20 times in the back of his head.
Powerful statement.
Don't you hate it when that happens?
Nail gun yourself 20 times and double kill yourself
on this ever deadly embankment roll.
Of course you don`t die, but being left to die will do the trick.
I'll bet the first one was an accident, and the rest were just him trying to fix the wound with the only tool he had at his disposal.
DO nail guns come in automatic and semi-automatic?
Both...but the fully automatics can only carry a 7 nail clip.
Ahhhh, there outghtta be a law against such things.
if he was using 1 1/4" roofing nails.... MAYBE... but still a stretch. Got to be painful on even the second pull of the trigger (and keep in mind you have to apply pressure to keep the nose of the nail gun against the surface you're nailing)
If he was using 10d framing nails...... damn, that has to be painful
Set the nailer to fire on bump, lean forehead on it...ah bullshit it would never get off 7 shots.
And there are examples all over the place where guys walk into the ER with a nail in their head. But 7?
Hey he got his MBA from Kellogg so he probably heard "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" like nine million times.
"If he was using 10d framing nails...... damn, that has to be painful"
Galvanized? Wouldn't want them rust.
Maybe he'd just loaded up on that recreational marijuana that they have in Colorado. Makes the second nail hurt less.
And the third.
And the fourth...
Completely believable, like breaking your own legs, arms, and finally your own neck with your own bare hands, life is so sad. Right? Right.
Must have been anti-gun guy.
But he found a way none the less.
I guess Chucky Schumer will be writing up Nail Gun legislation in 3.....2.....1.....
But SERIOUSLY.......what do they all SEE COMING ?
This is the wrong take. What do they know about who, is the correct question.
Tru 'dat!
I didn't realize Schumer was Chucky's last name, but in any case, I think he should write some legislation against himself:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/ChuckyDoll.jpg
http://ulisesmacabeo.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/tatoos.jpg
http://pokechild.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bride-of-chucky.jpg
Chucky will probably head down to the local construction site, across from the gun-free school zone, and check to see if those open carrying Mex would-be gang bangers with their hard hat colors, and who bought their high capacity magazine semi-automatic assault weapons at a unregulated Trade Show have a Nail Gun Permit and eVerify card.
I'm pretty sure he almost failed at suicide too, must have been agonizing last moments when you realise that you can't even get that right.
I love a good conspiracy, but initially the thought of some hit team "taking out the garbage" to protect themselves was way too far for me. When we get to a guy managing the process of putting 8 nails in himself to do the job though, then that becomes a little too wierd to pass off. You'd have to be in a straight up liar liar style fight with yourself like Jim Carrey, PLUS have beast mode firmly engaged to be able to fukking pull that off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqBitV574c
rage suicide.
I remember him from the 1980 Olympics....no wait.
Didn't he break his own knee so that he could drop out of the figure skating competition?
IF a banker dies in a gold vault, does he make a sound?
Yes, it sounds like a porn star climaxing.
Trick question. It's just a vault when there's no gold in it.
a 16 penny
vinyl sinker
well spent
Jesus Christ has a similar suicide.
'snails
Nailed it!
Are any of you Christians? Why all the glee over the death of bankers? Are the evils they have committed that much worse than the evils you have committed? Or have you never done anything wrong? Pause for a moment and think about some of the things you have done wrong. The Lord doesn't take pleasure in the death of wicked people. (Ezekiel 33:11) Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?'
It doesn't make me happy to hear that a banker has died, because it means he has no more chance to repent and make restitution. He has left this life and is in eternity (where all of us will go very soon, as per the ZH motto, top right of this page), and he's probably not in a very good place. Does that make you happy? It doesn't make me happy. I am sorrowful for him. What would make me happy would be to hear that he repented and began to demonstrate his repentance with a changed life and by trying to make some restitution.
If you are glad that bankers are dying, who else would you be glad to see die? Would you enjoy watching criminals die? And have you ever done anything like what they have done? One day very soon people will be rejoicing that Christians are being executed (it's already happening in some parts of the world), because they don't fit in with society and because they speak out against evil. Would any of you be found in the crowd of those that are rejoicing over their deaths?
I like the first half of the bible where they kid around with that eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth stuff. Probably there's a nail for nail in there that got lost in the translation.