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Guest Post: Underneath Their Autocratic Rulers, Russia And U.S. On Diverging Societal Paths

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Submitted by L. Todd Wood, a former special operations helicopter pilot and bond trader.  

Underneath Their Autocratic Rulers, Russia and U.S. on Diverging Societal Paths

As the State of the Union address highlighted, both the Russia Federation and the United States have leaders that lean toward various degrees of autocratic government to achieve their agendas.  President Putin rules with an iron fist and treats the legislative branch as an afterthought to use as needed but otherwise ignores.  President Obama declares he will use executive action to get what he wants and quietly uses government agencies to intimidate and stifle his opposition in flagrant abuses of power.  Putin has dismantled the Russian free press and imprisoned vocal opponents.  The majority of the American press does Obama’s bidding for him while the administration puts movie makers in jail. 

Underneath the tyrannical policies of the two Presidents, American and Russian society are diverging.  First let’s look at welfare – it really doesn’t exist in Russia.  If you’re a single mother raising your child alone, the state will pay you less than $50 a month.  Unemployment insurance is also miniscule.  The minimum wage is around $200 a month.  I recently asked a Russian friend what they would receive if they lost their job.  Her answer was, “It’s my problem, why should the government pay?”  Health care is free but of very low quality.  Russians with money typically choose private care and buy their own private health insurance. 

In the United States, we are seeing an obscene explosion of the nanny-state.  Obamacare has been exposed as a huge wealth redistribution scheme.  The CBO states that the ACA is a disincentive to work.  Disability payments are skyrocketing.  The number of Americans receiving food stamps has doubled and is spiraling out of control.  Welfare work requirements have been weakened.  The left continuously pushes to add more immigrants to the government dole and refuses to enforce current immigration law.

The difference in the tax code between the two countries is also striking.  If you live in New York, the combined government tax bite is above sixty percent.  It is a safe bet that any Democratic state government will continue to try and raise taxes.  Obama raised rates on the top earners in America and would boost them across the board if he could.  In Russia, the individual tax rate is a flat thirteen percent.  There is an eighteen percent VAT and the corporate rate is twenty-four percent.  If Russia could remove her corrupt barriers to entry, her economy would explode higher.

The difference between the two nations when approaching geopolitical challenges cannot be more extreme.  The United States has shown a willingness to abandon long standing allies time and time again on the global chessboard.  Whether it be Israel, Poland, or Saudi Arabia, the Obama administration has shrank from global leadership and left a gigantic vacuum for President Putin to happily fill.  Russia has shown a willingness to ignore Western political correctness and stand up for Russian long-term interests.  One only has to look to the Iranian nuclear issue, the Syrian situation, or the Snowden embarrassment to see evidence of Putin schooling the American government.  The American position seems to consist of avoiding conflict and appeasing adversaries rather than standing up for historical American values, our allies, and our way of life.

One of the most interesting differences that has been inconveniently obvious in the international press is the Russian refusal to embrace the religion of global warming.  While the American government strives to shut down energy economic engines of power, Russia uses energy to achieve its national goals.  Putin has been quoted as describing the climate change alarmist agenda as a marketing scheme.  Putin has not bought into the madness of crowds to the benefit of Russia.

Perhaps the most curious cavern between the United States and Russia is their approach to religion.  The church was effectively shut down during the Soviet experiment.  However, in the last few decades, the Russian Orthodox Church has roared back to favor in Russian government opinion.  President Putin has even felt emboldened enough to accuse the West of being morally decadent.  The Democratic Party in the United States has largely morphed into an atheistic, anything goes, hedonist entity.  One only has to look at the refusal of the Obama administration to enforce marijuana laws in America to find evidence of this fact. 

I recently had a conversation with a young urban professional in Moscow.  Their comment to me was that most young Russians were embarrassed of the communist revolution in Russia.  “They killed our best people,” this person commented.  I find it curious that the Rolling Stone recently published an article extolling the benefits of the teachings of Karl Marx and echoing the mindset of many of the current millennial generation in America.  When the youth of American are yearning for communism, I fear America must relearn the very harsh lessons of the past.  If Russia can ever deal with the specter of corruption, her society may leap to the future.


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Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:06 | 4415744 The Gooch
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Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:16 | 4415770 flacon
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Just leave me alone! I don't need to be GOVERNed by some pompous asshole. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:36 | 4415824 logicalman
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I don't need to be (and don't want to be) governed - by an asshole, or anyone else for that matter.

How does one human being get the right to tell another human being what to do?

Putin and Obama are just different faces on the same parasitic and criminal activity known as 'government'

Just mobsters really, using violence, or the threat thereof, to further the same thing - more for them and their cronies at the expense of everyone else.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:18 | 4415921 disabledvet
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rumor is the shad are in in Florida.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:59 | 4416007 InjectTheVenom
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as long as we got THIS guy , i ain't worried one bit . . . .

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:33 | 4416077 negative rates
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Who WANTS to butt heads?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4416124 adeptish
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Here's a gem...

"The United States has shown a willingness to abandon long standing allies time and time again on the global chessboard.  Whether it be Israel, Poland, or Saudi Arabia,"

The mandatory weekend clown car piece, albeit with a sprinkle of good analysis.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:23 | 4416317 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The mandatory weekend clown car piece

Yep. This guy is the Robert Brusca of foreign policy.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 11:33 | 4417085 TahoeBilly2012
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"The Democratic Party in the United States has largely morphed into an atheistic, anything goes, hedonist entity (Jewish) ." 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:16 | 4415753 yogibear
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The baboon, Obama vs a stateman-like Putin. No contest here.

Putin thinks before he takes action whereas Obama just does before he thinks.

Nice going Obama and your reckeless admin....

FUxK the EU’: US diplomat Victoria Nuland


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:33 | 4415955 angel_of_joy
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Obama would love to think before doing things too, but he can't !

Apart from a very modest natural intellect, he never learned the HOW part...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 12:42 | 4417218 TBT or not TBT
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But, but, he graduated from Harvard Law!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:16 | 4416048 NidStyles
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The real difference is that Putin doesn't try to cover up that he's reall a gangster. He's also not scared of the banks.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:12 | 4415755 Seize Mars
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The idea was and is to "westernize" the Soviets, and to "Sovietize" America. So they engineered the "collapse" of the Soviets. Nothing could be further from the truth. They didn't collapse. They are still in business, full force.

Meanwhile, they have turned the US into a shitty police state.

This was all done on purpose, by design.

Furthermore, this plan was all made public - nobody believed it because it was too fantastic to be believed. But believe it. they are going for broke here - 100% world domination with a world government.

Think about the asshole known as "Obama." We don't even know his real name. He has fired top miltary men in charge of America's nuclear arsenal and replaced them with dual citizens.

Wake the fuck up.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:19 | 4415779 Son of Captain Nemo
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Thank you for reminding us and of this cue from the past... 30 years ago to be exact.

If you haven't seen it before enjoy!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:27 | 4415799 lakecity55
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Right on.

But he did not reveal the name of the Agent they would place in the White House.

Now we know the Agent's name, but it's too late.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:32 | 4415817 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Think about the asshole known as "Obama." We don't even know his real name. He has fired top miltary men in charge of America's nuclear arsenal and replaced them with dual citizens."...

Knock, Knock!... Who's there?

Major General Jack!...  Major General Jack Who?

Major General Jack Weinstein  -The one you've never heard of before that doesn't qualify given his rank and "citizenship status" as the replacement for the prior Air Force General who was fired along with several others but you'll get him anyway!!!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:54 | 4415845 LMAOLORI
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Could there be a little more behind Russia's Tribute to Stalin at the Olympic's?  Maybe a deliberate slap back to Obama and others to inform them they still will not play along.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:19 | 4415928 disabledvet
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they did cry when Stalin died.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:35 | 4416083 logicalman
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More people cried when he was alive.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:46 | 4415971 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Could there be a little more behind Russia's Tribute to Stalin at the Olympic's?  Maybe a deliberate slap back to Obama and others to inform them they still will not play along."...

Got to admit it's not sitting very well with me either,and it's surreal with the timing.  Perhaps Putin is summoning that memory to serve as a veiled warning -who knows? Don't think it's appropriate given the legacy, but we need to be mindful of what he grew up in.

Having said that, as Americans with representatives like Nuland & Friends that half fucked with everyone else on the planet and will probably not be thrown out of their stations or be put in jail for life for violating their international treaty obligations -I'm in no position to judge. 

Sure looks like Yuri Bezmenov as messenger when Reagan was in the White House nailed it!


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:47 | 4415923 Leaf of Tree
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There are quite a few 'conspiracy theories'.

Here is one that you might find intriguing.


Glasnost & Perestroika were orchestrated by the Russian masterminds to deceive the West that Communism died. Shocker right?

A high profile KGB officer, Anatoliy Golitsyn, defected to the Americans in 1961 in Finland.

He wrote 2 books about soviet deception and multi decade strategic planning.

New Lies For Old


In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old, wherein he warned about a long-term deception strategy of seeming retreat from hard-line Communism designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States.

Among other things, Golitsyn stated:

- "The 'liberalization' in the Soviet Union would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party's role; its monopoly would be apparently curtailed."

- "If liberalization should be extended to East Germany, demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated."

- "The European Parliament might become an all-European socialist parliament with representation from the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. 'Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals' would turn out to be a neutral, socialist Europe."


The Perestroika Deception


In 1995 he published a book containing purported memoranda attributed to Golitsyn entitled The Perestroika Deception which claimed:

- "The Soviet strategists are concealing the secret coordination that exists and will continue between Moscow and the 'nationalist' leaders of the 'independent' republics."

- "The power of the KGB remains as great as ever... Talk of cosmetic changes in the KGB and its supervision is deliberately publicized to support the myth of 'democratization' of the Soviet political system."

- "Scratch these new, instant Soviet 'democrats,' 'anti-Communists,' and 'nationalists' who have sprouted out of nowhere, and underneath will be found secret Party members or KGB agents."


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:28 | 4416067 logicalman
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The real power - using divide and conquer methods.

Governement is the problem, not the solution.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:45 | 4416550 Parisnights
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Common mistake throughout the article-- The Democrat party, whether in New York or Chicago- is not Democratic.  Too many ppl  make this mistake.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 12:49 | 4417237 TBT or not TBT
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It is not libertarian, I'll give you that, but it is very big on Democracy. Mob rule and demagoguery is their path to power. They are taking down the USA the way Ben Franklin and others warned it could be, by voting themselves ever more goodies from the public treasury. Currently the permanent employees and dependents of the government are so numerous the only way to back out of this is collapse.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:14 | 4416161 Rafferty
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Sometimes things are so outlandish you just can't get your head around them.  But there's a lot to support what Mars says, including the Captain's link which i first saw many years ago.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 15:32 | 4417598 Raging Debate
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Seize Mars - Considered this a bit myself but i concluded it wasnt a grand conspiracy. Look at what Bill Clinton did in the late 90's with deregulation and putting a mass of new cops on the beat. Note, these were't regulatory agencies, but cops for the little guy. They knew what was going to happen after looting the place. The regulatory agencies budgets were decreased during the Bush presidency.

Communism is what happens after a place is looted to force the people to pay for one another in the absense of a healthy economy.

Backing up a couple decades, the solution to stagnatimg growth of the 70's was free trade policies to bring down the costs of labor. That is government supporting big business, probably where the ideas of public/private partnerships really took root.

I think we' ve about bottomed out now. Doesnt mean it's rosy it sucks but the new trade raping deal TPP was put ice by Harry Reid. Slight shifts to correct massive imbalances happen not out of goodness of heart by politicians but by growing pressure from the public which despite some opinions here do matter. The banking theft and now Obamacare have woken up the public. It seems too little to late for this government to survive in current form.

Remember Geithner and Bernanke being asked at Congressional hearing in 2008 (or maybe it was 2009) if they supported a new currency to replace the dollar? Both said yes.

I do not anticipate a civil war, I see more and more people checking out of this system of call it a relearning of life's priorities.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:12 | 4415756 Yen Cross
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   Putin, definitely wins the distended cranial/temporal vein competition.    "Hands down."

  The movie 'Scanners', keeps coming to mind.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:26 | 4415794 sylviasays
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 Obozo, definitely wins the stickin out big jug ears competition.    "Hands down."



The movie 'Scanners', keeps coming to mind.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:28 | 4415803 Yen Cross
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  Obozo is in an class of his own!   {Choom Master General}

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:23 | 4415758 lakecity55
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I would rather have Putin as my Dictator. You could hunt and fish with him, plus he loves his country.

Our dictator only hunts in Gay Bars, and is an illegal alien who hates Amerika.

Forward, Nazobamunism!!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:14 | 4415762 Iocosus
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The United States has shown a willingness to abandon long standing allies time and time again on the global chessboard.  Whether it be Israel, Poland, or Saudi Arabia, the Obama administration has shrank from global leadership and left a gigantic vacuum for President Putin to happily fill.

The American position seems to consist of avoiding conflict and appeasing adversaries rather than standing up for historical American values, our allies, and our way of life.

This guy should have remained in his gunship murdering brown people who hate us for our freedoms. USA! USA! USA!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:30 | 4415815 El Vaquero
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I was going to post something about that, but you beat me to it.  Perhaps he missed Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Gulf War II and excessive droning.  We avoid conflict with somebody who might stand a chance of actually hitting back.  Then there's this little gem:


The Democratic Party in the United States has largely morphed into an atheistic, anything goes, hedonist entity.  One only has to look at the refusal of the Obama administration to enforce marijuana laws in America to find evidence of this fact. 

Because smoking weed is soooooo immoral, right?  It's so immoral that we must send 'roided out adrenaline junkies out to bust down people's doors, shoot their dogs, and sometimes shoot the people themselves.  It's definitely worth taking people's lives over a little marijuana. /sarc  What a cocksucker. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:53 | 4415858 Iocosus
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He's trolling the government narrative.

And as for the drugs, it's like Tom Smykowski from the movie "Office Space" being interviewed by the Bobs. Much like the CIA, his job is on the line and he is forced to explain his irrevelancies. The CIA is threatened by a diminished income stream from these marijuana legalizations. Alas, they'll always have heroin, after all, our troops are in Afghanistan acting as security guards for 'dem poppy fields.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:10 | 4415904 TuPhat
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I Agree, El Vaquero.  I don't use it but weed is not immoral.  A lot of what the gov does is immoral and many people in the usa are immoral but I would rather have the freedom to be immoral or not than to let the gov force everyone to submit to their definition of morality.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:26 | 4415939 El Vaquero
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That's the thing about morality.  Everybody has a different take on what is moral and what is not.  Even two different people who will point to the Bible will have disagreements about what is moral.  So, who gets to decide what is moral and what is not?  The people who want to use government to enforce morality might be sorry if they get what they asked for.


There was a bill before my state legislature that was going to allow using the Bible as a history text.  It was in committee, and there was rancorous debate about the merits of this bill.  One member of the committee unwittingly killed it when she said "But what version of the Bible should it be?"  Then she amended it to state that it would be the King James version.  It was Ash Wednesday, and a bunch of the people on the committee had ash crosses drawn on their foreheads.  Needless to say, the bill was tabled, because those Catholics didn't like a Protestant dictating what version of Christianity to use. 


The lesson can be applied to other areas of government intrusion as well.  Your morals may not be my morals, but if we can agree not to steal from each other or beat each other down, we can get along just fine. 


P.S. I only tried weed once, and it was a bad experience.  I still say, legalize it. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:38 | 4415959 BruntFCA
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Read "Vices are not crimes" by 19C US Author Lysander Spooner.

You can get it very cheaply from Amazon.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:11 | 4416035 JR
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In that Spooner believes that government should not prevent or punish vice, he surely must also contend that it is not the responsibility of the rest of us, then, to pay for the consequences of those vices, be they “unwanted” children, AIDS, poverty, destitution, or whatever…

Let the man who freely engages in his vices pick up the tab for the consequences of his vices.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:05 | 4417263 TBT or not TBT
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Hey now. That'd be anathema to Obamacare's "community rating" pricing and other brilliances, like not taking into consideration existing conditions.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:30 | 4416071 logicalman
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I only tried weed once too......

for forty years, so far.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:33 | 4416345 Anusocracy
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Good article on morality.

The Moral Instinct by Steven Pinker

"The Moralization Switch

The starting point for appreciating that there is a distinctive part of our psychology for morality is seeing how moral judgments differ from other kinds of opinions we have on how people ought to behave. Moralization is a psychological state that can be turned on and off like a switch, and when it is on, a distinctive mind-set commandeers our thinking. This is the mind-set that makes us deem actions immoral (“killing is wrong”), rather than merely disagreeable (“I hate brussels sprouts”), unfashionable (“bell-bottoms are out”) or imprudent (“don’t scratch mosquito bites”).

The first hallmark of moralization is that the rules it invokes are felt to be universal. Prohibitions of rape and murder, for example, are felt not to be matters of local custom but to be universally and objectively warranted. One can easily say, “I don’t like brussels sprouts, but I don’t care if you eat them,” but no one would say, “I don’t like killing, but I don’t care if you murder someone.”

The other hallmark is that people feel that those who commit immoral acts deserve to be punished. Not only is it allowable to inflict pain on a person who has broken a moral rule; it is wrong not to, to “let them get away with it.” People are thus untroubled in inviting divine retribution or the power of the state to harm other people they deem immoral. Bertrand Russell wrote, “The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists — that is why they invented hell.”

We all know what it feels like when the moralization switch flips inside us — the righteous glow, the burning dudgeon, the drive to recruit others to the cause. The psychologist Paul Rozin has studied the toggle switch by comparing two kinds of people who engage in the same behavior but with different switch settings. Health vegetarians avoid meat for practical reasons, like lowering cholesterol and avoiding toxins. Moral vegetarians avoid meat for ethical reasons: to avoid complicity in the suffering of animals. By investigating their feelings about meat-eating, Rozin showed that the moral motive sets off a cascade of opinions. Moral vegetarians are more likely to treat meat as a contaminant — they refuse, for example, to eat a bowl of soup into which a drop of beef broth has fallen. They are more likely to think that other people ought to be vegetarians, and are more likely to imbue their dietary habits with other virtues, like believing that meat avoidance makes people less aggressive and bestial."

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:24 | 4416501 Johnny Cocknballs
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I have to disagree.  I think Pinker is cognitive psychology's equivalent of Deepak Chopra.  There's a sort of "halo effect" associated with being associated with Harvard.  It sometimes protects bad science, and bad economics.

Nietzche had a good one with "there are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation of phenomena" but the universality people like Pinker see is kind of Texas sharpshooter - what is harmful to the group and this is distinguished in dogmatic terms with the concept of "sin" which often involves harm to no one.

Even "harm" can be relative.

Voltaire — 'It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.'

 Objectively, for example, cutting the foreskin off an 8 day old baby, without his consent, so that he is a member of the "tribe" chosen by God to be special and unique to Him and to also have a birthright to certain, vaguely defined lands {this is the origin of ciricumcision, membership in the tribe that has the covenant for the land based on race/ethnicity not faith} seems both absurd and immoral - but if you have other beliefs, that harm becomes a benefit.

Or, for example, forcing women to cover themselves because of fear of your own libido?  Apart from punishing others for your own supposed moral weakness, it presupposes that women's comfort, equality, and preferences simply don't matter.  If sexual thoughts are deemed such a "harm" {really, "sin" which is not harm but a violation of dogma} then repression of women is of no moral consequence, and perversely, becomes morally necessary.

"Murder" is wrong - but when do we call it "murder"?  I think that much of what we did in Iraq was murder, my dad thought it was necessary to "fight terror" and can't be convinced otherwise, because 9/11...  which he believes was done by "Al Qaeda" because, in a nutshell, anything that begins to question any part of that narrative violates his faith in a trustworthy government, media, and he will not let his faith be questioned.


Which is why moral interpretations based on religious faith or dogma are stupid and often harmful.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 00:10 | 4416611 Leaf of Tree
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 00:20 | 4416629 Anusocracy
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"there are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation of phenomena"

That's evident in the moralization switch. Like beauty, morality is in the eye of the beholder.

"Voltaire — 'It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.'"

Man doesn't apply ingroup morality to outgroups. To do that you have to become human.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. To me, moral beliefs should be treated like political and religious beliefs - kept personal.

Like the other two, they are private 'knowledge'.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:25 | 4417880 Raging Debate
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Goverment morality:

Weed is bad. We'll collect fines as taxes, make people work for .80 an hour in jail.

Weed is good. We'll legalize it and tax it. Collect fees to expunge your record from all that immoral behavior. For all other prior felons distibuting weed. Oh well....

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:55 | 4416006 JR
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Would you let Obama recommend marijuana for your child if you knew the following:

Herbert Marcuse of the infamous Frankfurt School of Western Marxist critical theory and founder of the New Left said that the youth of America would be disarmed through a combination of sex and drugs, etc., who would become happy, non-productive people who wouldn’t fight wars. And, according to a critic, Marcuse left behind the notion of tolerance that accepts “anything from the left, but silences the right.”

Apparently “stoned hippies make lousy soldiers and will not oppose your aggression elsewhere throughout the globe.”

So why would our government employ people like Marcuse?  Well, if the ultimate goal is control, “you can neutralize the best and brightest on the campuses (with the poisoned candy of drugs and sex packaged in an attractive musical coating) so they don’t really think about what you are doing.”

“There will still be plenty of poor and uneducated people to use as cannon fodder.”

And, they’ll vote Democrat, i.e., for tolerance. And in walks Obama to the Oval Office to tell America’s youth that marijuana is not a gateway drug… to coke, or heroin…

Teenagers who smoke cannabis damage their brains for LIFE and may be more likely to develop schizophrenia  | The Daily Mail

  • U.S. study found that mice exposed to even small doses of marijuana for 20 days suffered lasting brain damage into adulthood
  • Results highlight how teenagers who regularly smoke weed may have a greater risk of developing schizophrenia

July 25, 2013-- Teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis suffer long lasting brain damage and are in much greater danger of developing schizophrenia. 

American researchers say the drug is particularly dangerous for a group of people who have a genetic susceptibility to the mental health disorder - and it could be the trigger for it.

Asaf Keller, of the University of Maryland School of Medicine, said the results highlight the dangers of teenagers smoking cannabis during their formative years.

The study, published in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology, exposed young mice to the active ingredient in marijuana for 20 days.

It found that their brain activity was impaired, with the damage continuing into adulthood…

 Previous research has shown that children who started using marijuana before the age of 16 are at greater risk of permanent brain damage, and have a significantly higher incidence of psychiatric disorders.

‘Adolescence is the critical period during which marijuana use can be damaging,’ said the study's lead author, Sylvina Mullins Raver, a PhD candidate at the University of Maryland School of Medicine

CANNABIS DESTROYS YOUR GET-UP-AND-GO A separate study by Imperial College London last month revealed that long-term use of cannabis destroys dopamine, the feel-good chemical in the brain that inspires a spirit of get-up-and-go. 

Previous research has suggested taking marijuana can lead to individuals becoming withdrawn, lethargic and apathetic...

The cannabis users had their first experience with the drug between the ages of 12 and 18…

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Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:21 | 4416054 El Vaquero
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Let's not forget the "Think about the children" meme, which has been used as a call to curtail liberties in the past.   


Let people make their own decisions and quit fear mongering.  Alcohol and tobacco are bad for people too.  Letting people make bad decisions in life is part of liberty.  We survived with legal marijuana in this country from the beginning until its prohibition the 21st century.  I want the 4th amendment back. 


This is the kind of propaganda that was used to make marijuana illegal:


Most marijuana smokers are Negroes, Hispanics, jazz musicians, and entertainers. Their satanic music is driven by marijuana, and marijuana smoking by white women makes them want to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and others. It is a drug that causes insanity, criminality, and death — the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.


-Harry Anslinger, Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics


Marijuana prohibition is fundamentally based on a lie. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 01:27 | 4416724 hidingfromhelis
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If health were really the issue, high fructose corn syrup would be a much higher priority, wouldn't it?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:20 | 4417287 TBT or not TBT
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HFCS is about 5 to 10% higher in fructose than bad old cane sugar, which is 50% fructose. The former is a little sweeter and cheaper per unit of added sweetness, atop being a little easier to use.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:14 | 4417279 TBT or not TBT
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Sorry, I don't want to pay a dime to support former or current drug abusers, and I don't want my kid to get addicted and fucked up this way. I want the cops and schools and and the adults of my community to eschew that shit, punish it, shame it right the fuck out of town.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:33 | 4417895 Raging Debate
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Here's my take: Smoke all the dope you want, just dont ask me to buy your twinkies when your baked. Also, everything in moderation. A drink of Scotch wont't hurt you in a sitting but a bottle will

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:25 | 4416062 Iocosus
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Perhaps theses studies are true. Many will be refuted in the future, but even if not, who has the right to tell me what or what I cannot do to myself? As long as I don't hurt someone or damage their property, I should be free to do as I like.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:23 | 4417294 TBT or not TBT
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I don't want to pay for your healthcare, housing, upkeep, etc, but the democrat party does want me to. When you end up dependent on me will you vote democrat to enslave me to support you? Legalization is part if Dem efforts to get to a single party state, by making the majority dependent on the single party state.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:34 | 4416080 logicalman
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Reefer madness strikes again!

Your first exposure to canabinols (for most people) is in mother's milk.

You have canabinol receptors in EVERY part of your body.

Canabinols and Canabidiols help prevent cancer and dementia.

Big Pharma is scared of pot.

If you rely on the Daily Mail for your info, you are FUCKED.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 14:30 | 4417418 TBT or not TBT
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By that definition we are born with receptors for nerve gas too. It's considerably less addictive and zeroes out medical costs. Can smoking pot do that?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 15:18 | 4417557 logicalman
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1. Pot is not addictive.

2. It's use would reduce medical costs enormously.

3. It's more enjoyable than nerve gas.

Additionally, a question, which nerve gas in particular.

There's a difference between destroying physiological processes and modifying them.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:54 | 4416415 Johnny Cocknballs
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One Dimensional Man is genuinely interesting, if a somewhat patience-trying read.

I actually did a paper for a psychopharm grad class once on marijuana and "amotivational syndrome" - the truth is the literature, at least at that point several years ago was absolutely inconclusive. 

I'm not sure what the dosing on the mice in that one study was, but I suspect it was far more than the equivalent delivery of THC and related molecules one would get from smoking a typical amount of pot.  That said, it does seem possible, for sure that smoking a lot of pot when your brain is still developing, through your teens, could alter or limit normal development.  But it's doubtful you'd see any such affect in small amounts or in moderate amounts in adults.  In fact, from what I've read, while def not exhaustive, generally speaking any deleterious affects in adults were reversible after cessation.


Can you smoke "too much"?  Of course!  That's the meaning of "too much"  - you can have too much Vitamin B, or sugar, or water...

But all in all, alcohol is far more harmful to individuals and to the public health than pot is or ever could be - not only illness, but drunk driving and violence.  And while alcohol doesn't seem to actually kill brain cells... it can certainly damage the brain with chronic use, and presumably not just because of ancillary affects on nutrition.

All of this has little to do, of course, with the question as to whether the government has a right to tell me I can't enjoy a little weed in my home as an adult. 


However, the Frankfurt school certainly had an agenda, there was unquestionably a certain group think or mindset, and it wasn't about freeing human beings from the restrictive hierarchy of power structure, it was essentially as, I think, Kevin MacDonald has it, although I don't necessarily like to cite to him because even though I don't think he's actually racist himself, I just prefer not to think along those lines, even if many powerful people and academics do so. Basically, I can agree with him without focusing on what he focuses on.. a form of moral and philosophical hygiene on my part.  There are good and bad, universalist and tribalist in all groups, and to focus too much on one is to grow overly cynical, and let the nagative unduly infect your thinking - if that makes sense.


I couldn't understand a fuckin' word of Habermas, but I had the sense he was absolutely full of shit.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 05:23 | 4416859 Adahy
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So much "reliable" information in tabloids it seems.....

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 07:22 | 4416920 HyperinflatmyNutts
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JR? What does that stand for?  Just Roll.. R U for real?  Stop all the BS about brain cells and smoking a lil weed.  Then u bring in the "child angle" Oh know our kids r going to smoke a lil pot then become hard core drug users... What a load of BS.  How about all the pills that Big Pharma pushes on our kids?  Where the fu@k do all the pain meds come from that lead to hard core HEROIN use ? They hand out pills in this country like candy.  What about Big tobacco and alcohol? Now I dont like the CEO of America aka Barry, but lets not BS. Weed has been here on this planet since day 1.. Here lets play your game.

Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson Jr., and John A.Benson, Jr., Editors

Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Health INSTITUTE OF MEDICINE.  NATIONAL ACADEMY PRESS Washington, D.C.

The Institute of Medicine agrees that the marijuana-gateway theory is misleading:

 "In the sense that marijuana use typically precedes rather than follows initiation of other illicit drug use, it is indeed a "gateway" drug. But because underage smoking and alcohol use typically precede marijuana use, marijuana is not the most common, and is rarely the first, "gateway" to illicit drug use. There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs." (from the Executive Summary of the IOM report Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base)

We can do this all day u pull out your facts I pull out mine.  All I have to say is, if smoking weed leads to certain things like hard core drug use it also leads to other things such as becoming President of the USA.. Our last 3 Presidents have all smoked it so, how do u like dem apples?  PS. u can also use the apple for a nice emergency bong. lol





Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:17 | 4416168 Rafferty
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Israel an ally?  Try telling that to the USS Liberty survivors.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:22 | 4415784 FredFlintstone
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A billionaire puppet?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:40 | 4415833 logicalman
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He just has very expensive strings.

The true power on the planet stays hidden, as much as possible.

Some of them hide behind a shield.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:45 | 4416551 FredFlintstone
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A "red" shield, I suppose?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:57 | 4415867 LMAOLORI
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Putin is not a puppet which is precisely why other global leaders despise him.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:36 | 4415953 bobert
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Communists like Jews as long as they are "intelligensia."

If they are Bourgeois they are toast with the rest of that class.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:32 | 4416346 Johnny Cocknballs
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Because he put on a yarmulke at a thing?

Are you a fuckin' retard?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4416544 Seize Mars
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Johnny Cocknballs

Thanks for reminding me.

Nice ad hominem. Should I retort "Nuh-uh, you are" or something?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 01:08 | 4416711 Sashko89
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wow thats obviously photoshopped, probably not even photoshop, just good paint skill

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:15 | 4415765 Spastica Rex
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Obamacare has been exposed as a huge wealth redistribution scheme.

Who to - the insurance companies? Will no-one think of them?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:21 | 4415786 sylviasays
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Who to - the Obozo regime and Democrats in Congress? Will no-one think of them?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:26 | 4415801 Spastica Rex
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the ACA has been a HUGE winner for BO and the Dems, huh?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:01 | 4415882 LMAOLORI
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Obama's pocketbook and the health insurance companies he made the backroom deals with are the big winners!


Obama got $20mil from healthcare industry in 2008
Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:10 | 4415898 Spastica Rex
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Quid pro quo rules the world, but it's only "poor" people who worry about wealth.

Power is the game here, friends, and I don't think the ACA is going to be a long term winner for anybody but the insurance cartel. Imagine.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:14 | 4415768 giggler321
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So vodka or bourbon, you all fucked.  Tee total gays, that's another thing.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:18 | 4415772 lakecity55
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Someone needs to hustle Backdoor Barry to the nearest Federal Prison.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:20 | 4415783 Dull Care
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Let me be clear, most folks can agree that Vladimir Putin can actually elaborate lucid thoughts sans teleprompter.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:02 | 4415793 Yen Cross
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  To the guy that junked me. I love ya man! 

    Long Gulags, and the (for profit) private prison system.  The best of both worlds!  Forgot the sarc tag/

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:27 | 4415809 Spungo
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Article author is profoundly retarded. Enforcing marijuana laws = morality? Let's completely ignore the fact that marijuana was legal for the first 138 years of America's existence. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:36 | 4415823 Spastica Rex
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It is legal, where I live. But - you can't buy it, sell it, or grow it.

If some drops out of the sky and lands at your feet, you can light up.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:05 | 4416277 W74
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Same thing with 30 round magazines where I live.

Anything larger than 10 cannot be bought, sold, transfered, exchanged or dropped on the ground in front of someone for them to "find".

But hey, we can still go to Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia or Delaware to buy normal sized magazines, states which then get the business mine prohibits.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:55 | 4415866 Critical Path
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I could agree with most of this article up until this point.  You must be kidding if you think that failure to enforce marijauna laws have thus far been the high point of immoral decadence.  Give me a break.  Largely, the premise of the author's article is to make a point about the largesse/wastefulness of the USG.  Surely using enormous sums of tax payer funds to chase down and and jail people over a plant doesn't fit into that category. Nice try

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:34 | 4415822 dudeman
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Population demography in Russia is horrible. The current fertility rate in Russia is 1.54 according to the World Bank. It's been less than that over the past 20-30 years.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:22 | 4416177 Rafferty
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And the births are way higher for the Muslim than for native Russians.  Current demographic trends would have the latter a minority in less than three generations. However, demographic trending is unpredictable.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:50 | 4417348 TBT or not TBT
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The two points above are the main ones to be made about Russia. 1.54, if true (it would represent quite a recovery from 0.8), is deathbed demographics. Perhaps, as is the case with France's near replacement rate of around 2, the composition is weighted frighteningly to Thurs world Islam infected immigrants. Both nations are dying.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:38 | 4415832 shovelhead
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At least the Soviets had some awesome symbology and iconic artwork.

All Obama has is that ghey rainbow gizmo.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:44 | 4415843 Spastica Rex
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At least the Soviets had some awesome symbology and iconic artwork.

The Slavs have never really gotten their shit together, but they have consistently produced great art - literary, visual, and musical.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:07 | 4415889 Leaf of Tree
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The slavs never got their shit together??


As in the Space Station MIR?

Or as in the best missiles systems on the planet?

Or as in the Soyuz rockets that take united stateans cosmonauts to the ISS?


Define "get their shit together". And please don't believe all the Hollywood propaganda about how you "murikans are the good guys.



Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:16 | 4415913 TuPhat
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Please don't go there.  We will find out soon enough who had the best missile systems if we're still alive.  I would rather not know and I think my children and grandchildren would rather not know. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:14 | 4415914 Spastica Rex
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Woah - I'm not hatin' on the Slavs. By "shit" I mean "imperial shit." Relax, OK? I'm an American, and I don't think we're the "good guys."

Missles will all crumble to dust; art stands a chance of lasting forever.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:38 | 4416085 Leaf of Tree
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In this case I apologise.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 06:25 | 4416903 the tower
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Russians are great in shooting stuff into space, not so good in keeping the population healthy and prosperous.

China is shooting stuff into space now too. Still half a billion living without electricity or power though.

USA used to be good at shooting stuff into space, see what happened.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 14:39 | 4417452 TBT or not TBT
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Yep, they put a giant percentage of their GDP, and their best and brightest, into national chest beating pharoahnic mega projects while the people stood in lines for toilet paper and waited a decade on a list to buy a car from the state monopoly.

The USA did a lot of those same things on a much much smaller percentage of GDP, and got bored with manned space flight, for very good reasons.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:43 | 4415836 ebworthen
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"One only has to look at the refusal of the Obama administration to enforce marijuana laws in America to find evidence of this fact."

That is your example for "...atheistic, anything goes, hedonist entity."???

Instead of free birth control and abortions at my expense?

WTF?  Pot is not atheistic or hedonistic.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:49 | 4415854 Spastica Rex
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The psychological/behaviour effects of THC don't fit in with the desired profile of aggressive, loud, paranoid, over-confident Americans. Alcohol works, with the added benefit of automatic physical punishment for over-indulgence.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:27 | 4416189 Rafferty
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If foreigners think Americans are aggressive, loud, paranoid, they confuse the government with the people. Spoken as a foreigner.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:39 | 4416217 Spastica Rex
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Foreigners need to come with me on my next trip to WinCo.

But thanks; I'm personally not any of those things. Maybe a bit paranoid.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 05:51 | 4416883 Rafferty
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Agreed, things have changed.  But 30 years ago and more the average American was among the most polite and friendly anywhere. And I've been to the proverbial seven corners of the world.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:48 | 4415849 Sashko89
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The so called free press that Putin dismantled is actually western backed and financed propaganda press aimed at distabilizing Russia.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 13:56 | 4417361 TBT or not TBT
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Russia destabilizes itself just fine without any outside help

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:48 | 4415850 Sashko89
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The so called free press that Putin dismantled is actually western backed and financed propaganda press aimed at distabilizing Russia.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:49 | 4416111 mccvilb
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"western backed and financed propaganda press aimed at distabilizing Russia?"

well if thats true, the tribe's scribes did a pretty good job of disabling and disemboweling us in the process. I still see Boehner and Cantor standing elbow to elbow in probably the stupidest photo op in history in their bid to shut the govt down and wreak havoc on the system, and they chose the very moment the country needed Congress to sit down and work on fixing this clusterfuck of an economy, out of control corporate patronage, foreign lobby controlled MIC war machine and Alice in Wonderland tax system. Look at the comments in this thread. People here still think Obama's the problem. He's merely symptomatic of a multitude of terminal diseases, not the least of which is our disfunctional CFR selected leadership (foisted on us from both parties).

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:49 | 4415851 debtor of last ...
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Systems, systems. Religion, religion. Financial engineering and marketing. Mass psychology. I live in a world that doesn't have a name. Or a tag. And i watch systems. Read Zerohedge. And other websites. But i don't fit in. Kinda weird. The Matrix. We are overleveraged.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:55 | 4415859 Spungo
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Drug laws show the extreme arrogance of humanity. If you're a religious person, you would say things like marijuana and mushrooms are created by god (or some deity). Humans come along and say god is wrong, we know better, we need to destroy god's creations. We also ban nudity because god's design was ugly and needs to be covered up. These people never look at themselves in the mirror. If god's plants are terrible, maybe his people are terrible too. Kill yourself if you think his creations are so terrible.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:59 | 4415871 Spastica Rex
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I'll answer your question as a Catholic who does not smoke pot (or eat mushrooms), but has no problem with those who do, and who believes in a STRONG separation of church and state, and secular laws that protect individual liberty:

God also "created" deadly nightshade. That doesn't mean he wanted you to smoke it.

edit: Oh, and covering up my own personal nudity is a good idea; I have looked in the mirror.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:27 | 4415942 falak pema
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toadstools, fine don't eat, but mushrooms? 

You're missing out on "transubstantiation" bigtime! 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:38 | 4415962 Spastica Rex
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It's not that I haven't, but I'm old now.

If God saw fit to drop a dime bag of pot at my feet, I would smoke it. Gradually.

And actually, I fancy myself an amateur mycologist, and eat (non-psychoactive) mushrooms whenever I can get them.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:55 | 4416005 Johnny Cocknballs
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you owe it to yourself to get some weed and go to a live concert - jazz, rock, whatever floats your boat.  Truly a gift from the Cosmos.


Sex while high isn't half-bad, either.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:39 | 4416091 logicalman
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Agree with all of the above.

Get out into nature or try getting really high and riding a mountain bike down some decent trails.

Truly a gift from nature.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:37 | 4416209 logicalman
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Psilocybin is a thing of beauty.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:46 | 4416104 logicalman
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Please explain to me how any thinking person can be religious.

I'm not being facetious.

By the way, I'm good with the covering up bit.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:40 | 4416199 Spastica Rex
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I don't ever debate or try to justify faith - faith in something, or faith in nothing, mine or others'. I'm actually pretty agnostic (not possessing revealed knowledge) in my own thinking. Some "thinkers" I admire who were religious include Tolstoy and Dorothy Day/Peter Marin. Lots of religions out there, I also really like D. T. Suzuki.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 04:52 | 4416823 Amagnonx
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I'll answer you from the perspective of an agnostic (though most would instist I am an atheist).  Firstly though, I will agree with you - nobody has any right to determine what you put into your body, or what you do with your body in any way - because it is your own private property.  So long as you dont harm or infringe others, you can do what you like to your own body - maybe I might say certain things are not a good idea, and I might try to educate people - ultimately its their own choice.  In the case of pot however, not only do I think its perfectly harmless - I think it is in fact beneficial in moderate quantity.


However, just because a substance is natural, doesnt mean it is automatically good for you - plenty of naturally occuring poisons, not to mention animals like tigers or sharks - just because they are natural doesnt mean they wont tear your head off.


From a purely practical point of view, clothing is mans protection from the elements, because we are not well adapted - we need clothing.  


Why is it ethical to cover yourself up and not go naked in public?  Because nakedness can inflame the passions, and these emotional responses are irrational - and may conflict with contracts (such as marriage) and also interefere with co-operative work on longer term goals.  So, while your body belongs to you - when you are in public, you have no right to go naked because you are infringing other peoples right to walk around without being infringed emotionally, or excited sexually against their own will - sexual excitement is not under conscious control.


If you are doing something publicly which can inflame passions, making people irrational and acting against their own self interests - or inciting conflicts - then you are acting unethically.  Clothing reduces the sexual stimulus - sexual desires are always present, but we control them in order to co-operate together to achieve longer term goals.  Clothing assists in achieving long term goals by subdueing our sexuality to some degree - making sexual contracts such as marriage easier to fulful, and also by reducing the stimulus which would interfere with our rational thinking.


If you have ever been on a crowded train, imagine doing that naked - the sexual stimulus would lead to huge social problems - lets leave sex as a private occupation, as we need to effectively co-operate publicly and that is easier if we arent walking around with a hard-on.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 05:55 | 4416887 Adahy
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This assumption is totally incorrect:

"Clothing reduces the sexual stimulus"

If nudity is the norm, nudity will not sexually excite you.  I'm guessing you've never been to an actual traditional nudist colony.  Won't see any boners there.  You see, we've simply been trained that clothing reduces sexual stimulus so that they can stimulate sales and tie your self-worth in to disposable consumer goods.  Good little pavlovian consumers.

When I look around on a 110 degree summer day and see everyone wearing shirts, pants, etc. during normal recreation, I can't help but think of how stupid we can be.  Clothing is for protection from the elements.  If you live in human-friendly climates (warm areas), you have a very limited need for clothing.  And that need has nothing to do with sex.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:59 | 4415873 JR
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Excellent comparisons. And it’s important to point out, however, that Obama and Putin cannot be contrasted or compared as leaders in that Putin is the leader of a country and Obama is a stand-in for the tyrants who control America.

But it is true that these two societies are ships passing each other in the night: the Russian vessel heading for improved freedoms and opportunity and a moral compass for its citizens, the American vessel headed for the rocks and the shoals of a Godless, lawless State and totalitarian government.

As AFP’s Michael Piper put it in January:

“A handful of billionaires—liberal and conservative alike, ranging from predatory speculator George Soros on the ‘left’ to Las Vegas gambling tycoon Sheldon Adelson and his Israeli wife Miriam on the ‘right’—bankroll American politicians, virtually unchallenged. Unaccountable money via so-called ‘super PACs’ floods our elections and media companies rake in billion in profits from advertising revenues generated by the PACs.

“This incestuous system mirrors precisely what happened in Russia. So, yes, America has gone the way of Soviets.

“But there’s now a paradigm in place in Russia: Vladimir Putin turned the tables on those rapacious oligarchs…and while the kings of kleptocracy still control 70% of the Russian media, Putin carefully plays a multi-level geo-political chess game, fighting not only his opposition at home but its allies among the intriguers of New York, London and Tel Aviv.”

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:57 | 4415952 Johnny Cocknballs
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Apart from not being very smart, Todd is little more than a shill for the neocon, i.e. Likudnik Israel Firster warmongers.

With pieces like this:

His mission is to get the US to fight a needless war against another Muslim nation that doesn't threaten it, because Italian and Irish and black American Christians should die for a tiny foreign state that has relentlessly stolen from and spied on the US while taking hundreds of billions from taxpayers.

There are at least a couple people who try to talk sense to the blithering idiots on Breitbart.


The nuclear ruse against Iran is the same playbook as the nuclear/WMD playbook against Iraq.  It wasn't oil companies lobbying to invade Iraq - it was Jewish and neoconservative groups.  Over a million people are dead.  You either care about that or you don't.


Here's Netanyhau lying about Iraqi nukes.  



Here's a brief overview of the 20+ history of Netanyahu's claim that Iran was "months away" from a nuclear weapon.

 - similar reporting from the Washington Times


Here's a short article noting significant evidence that Netanyahu was involved in a nuclear smuggling ring - stealing from the US.  Do the Israelis have a hidden nuke in the US somewhere - to blame on Iran?

Here's Netanyahu being told to help bring about the Jewish Messiah  (Israel and Jews will dominate the world in this post Temple, Talmudic, and very unspiritual rendering of what a "Savior" is  - the harbinger of a Jewish Reich.  The whole video is worth a watch.

The Israelis have been lying and fabricating evidence against Iraq and Iran for years.  Why would you need to fake evidence for a real threat, Todd, you fucking despicable cunt?


Our civilian and military intelligence agencies have reached consensus positions that Iran is not working on a nuke - although one could hardly blame them for wanting the deterrent. 

By the way, here's The Truth About Cease-fire Violations Between Israel and Gaza

The nuclear issue is a ruse.  Israel wants a free hand to invade and annex its neighbors resources at will - particularly Lebanon, and a full press ethnic cleansing of the West Bank into Jordan is conceivable.  This is all about the Jewish/Israeli 5th column and their idiot Christian-Zionist dupes paving the way for Armageddon.


You assholes have killed enough people in the name of religion and Jewish Supremacism  {and that is what, at heart, rabbinical Judaism is - funny how all the Xian Zios who pull nasty quotes out of the Koran never look to the Talmud, or for that matter the Torah.  Perhaps if they actually read the New Testament they'd at least approach something like a humanistic position, if, unlike the Church, they actually stuck to it}


You're a lying cunt, Todd, and you're the last thing from being either an American patriot or a Christian.


The question is, when faced with the sheer lies and nonsense you have peddled, do you continue to remain a cunt, and try to get more Americans killed for Netanyahu's Greater Israel?


Think long and hard about which side you're on.






Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:47 | 4416108 bilejones
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Agree. This Todd person is lying warmongering piece of Zionist shit.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 06:16 | 4416899 Rafferty
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To give some credit to Obummer, he did call out the Congressional traitors trying to provoke war with Iran - on Israel's behalf - by way of new sanctions.  He said in effect 'if you want America to go to war with Iran come straight out with it and present your case to the American people'.  This actually is quite powerful stuff. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 07:59 | 4416933 the tower
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"...the Russian vessel heading for improved freedoms and opportunity and a moral compass for its citizens"..

Blowing $51 billion on the olympics - mainly landing in the pockets of Putin's oligarch buddies - is moral?

Let's face it, most people on this site only like Putin because he's anti-Jew. So was Hitler. I also sense jealousy, for Russia has a white, racist, homophobic leader, and the US has a black homo-loving leader.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:59 | 4417971 Raging Debate
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No the Tower -

I dont LIKE Putin. I DO respect that he cares about his own country and perhaps realizes we are decades if not centuries to mature as a species to have a true global government.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:00 | 4415878 bh2
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"President Putin has even felt emboldened enough to accuse the West of being morally decadent."

He is only stating the obvious. Much of the West is steadily capitulating to cultural nihilism promoted as "democracy".

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:28 | 4416191 Manipuflation
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Bullshit.  People are putting words in Putin's mouth and trying to make it better.  Great, then get on a fucking plane and go to Russia and see what happens.  Tell us which part of Russia you are going to first.  You are dreaming that you have a friend but you do not.   Shoosh, off with you then.

To all of you:  If you have never set foot in Russia then don't even bother to reply to me wth your 25 year old-like responses.  If you do not have family in Russia then do not reply to me with your snide comment and try tell me how things are there.  If you have a Russian wife who is a mother of your two children only then do you get to say something that I might listen to.  The rest I will red arrow.

Stop being full retard stupid about a country that you have never even been to and a people you do not understand. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:39 | 4416218 Manipuflation
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Junked already?  Step up then.  What do you have to say about your Russian dreams?  I would love to hear it.  I have some real estate in Pyatigorsk you might be interested in.  So let's go.  You want to lionize Russia?  Put your money where your mouth is.   

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 01:26 | 4416719 Sashko89
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I have relatives, living in both Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia and also relatives in Kiev, Sumi, and Ivano-frankivsk Ukraine and I'm here about your post.... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  "Manipuretardation"

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:16 | 4415915 Yen Cross
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 As an American, do you feel any more free? As an American, do you feel that you're thoughts and ideas are being "marginalized" "polarized"?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:20 | 4415924 Stifmeister
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Who replaced the generals in charge of nuclear weapons? 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:38 | 4415961 Johnny Cocknballs
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The first rule of the ZOG is you do not talk about the ZOG.

The second rule of the ZOG is there is no ZOG, and talk of it is "hate".


Which would be cute, if it didn't mean the needless death and suffering of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people who never did anything wrong to me.


A lesson Mr. Todd didn't pick up because he was too busy flying real SF to and fro battle.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:30 | 4415944 q99x2
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Don't worry the machines are taking over.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 00:38 | 4416662 logicalman
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That's a reason NOT to worry?


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:35 | 4415958 Johnny Cocknballs
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I'm not religious, but I was forced to read the Bible in my youth. Including Daniel, Revelation, all that shit - I didn't take from it what the Evangelical/Christian Zios, so duped by the Scoffield Bible's annotations did.  So duped they pray for war, and embrace the active enemies and subverters of the more decent parts of their Potemkin faith in Jesus of Nazareth.

Maybe Netanyahu is the AntiChrist.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:51 | 4415984 buzzsaw99
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the author is a putz

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 19:51 | 4415991 Johnny Cocknballs
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a little off topic, but just like the US' foreign policy is largely dictated by Israel Firsters and AIPAC, who don't even represent most American Jews, let alone most Americans, Canada, the UK, Australia, France, Ukraine, and others also have extraordinarily powerful right wing Jewish lobbies that parrot the sort of Likudnik horseshit Mr. Todd peddles.


Here's Alan Soral talking about the French version.. .

limited pickings because not a lot on youtube has English subtitles, but if you do speak French, there's some great stuff from the guy on a multitude of topics.  I was a little wary of him at first, but he's basically a 'speak truth to power' sort of social philosopher, and secular humanist.

^well worth a watch.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 06:31 | 4416906 Rafferty
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Careful Johnny or you'll be sharing a cell with Francis Sawyer.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 16:06 | 4417689 Johnny Cocknballs
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Meh, I don't hate anybody.  I just resist the idea that talking about massively disproportionate power of a group that influences foreign policy in order to conflate it with the perceived interests of a small foreign country is "hate".  Indeed, the accusation of hate is designed, in large part, to hide this power.

I'm concerned with being accurate and fair - not so much with lying by omission or distortion to comport with bullshit rules that only seem to apply to one group. 


Particularly as this literally Orwellian use of language and thought policing has contributed to needless wars of aggression in Iraq, and unequivocal and ongoing war crimes in the WB.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:09 | 4416033 22winmag
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Putin resembles the Marlboro man and has a taste for manly pastimes.


Obama resembles a court jester and has a taste for man meat.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4416069 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Israel is not the USA's friend.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:30 | 4416073 smacker
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Thanks Tyler for posting that article. It's very interesting.

It's not often we see such a straight comparison between these two bossmen. Millions of people believe - due to old MSM lies and propaganda - that they are at opposite ends of the political spectrum and worlds apart.

But when one reads carefully and steps back, they can be seen as two faces of a very similar philosophy of total government and God help anyone who dissents against their all-singing, all-dancing autocratic rule.

The jury's out on Putin as far as I'm concerned. Sure, he's caused acute embarrassment for Obwana which is very welcome. But I feel there's a darker side to his style that we don't yet know about. Let's see.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 04:28 | 4416822 the tower
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Putin was head of the KGB, then moved on to become the head of state, for 15 years now. You think anyone can achieve this without having a "darker side"?

Russia has always been ruled by a power hungry elite, it has never know democracy or any form of free speech.

In Russia, you're rich beyond belief, or dirt poor, and if it's up to Putin this will soon be the world's fate.

Make no mistake, there is no New World Order where all elites work together. The elites are fighting each other and we are all collateral damage...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 05:15 | 4416854 Johnny Cocknballs
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In Russia, you're rich beyond belief, or dirt poor, and if it's up to Putin this will soon be the world's fate.


Do you have any idea who the oligarchs were, and why so many fled Putin's Russia?

Any idea at all?

I don't have to wash the guy's balls - he's a virtual tyrant, much like our own Dear Leader, and there is much to criticize, but thrusting the entire world into poverty is the endgame of the people Putin largely, if not at all wholly, expelled from his country.


The Russians would be far worse off, and a tiny minority even more fabulously wealthy and powerful, without Putin. 

You might want to look into just who the men were who murdered the Tsar and his kids.  That will tell you a great deal about the "Russian" power hungry elite the Russian people have long been burdened with.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 05:24 | 4416860 the tower
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So many oligarchs have fled Putin's Russia because they were not on his side. The ones remaining are, which made him even more powerful.

Russia is one of the world's wealthiest countries because of its resources, and a tiny fascist elite owns it all.

What exactly is your point?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 06:34 | 4416907 Rafferty
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He's identifying the ethnicity of the oligarchical elite.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 06:52 | 4416917 the tower
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Do I care about ethnicity? No matter their background, all elites are psychopaths.

I care about elites fighting each other on a global scale and rendering us collateral. I care about Putin and his buddies controlling vast resources that should belong to all, not a tiny elite. I care about Putin being able to freeze millions to death with the flip of a switch.

The man has way too much power and we all know what eventually happens when too much power is concentrated in one place. He's not a puppet, he's actually been running the show for a very long time.

Russia is a poor, diseased country and he's responsible.

My original repsonse was too @smacker's comment "I feel there's a darker side to his style that we don't yet know about".

We do know about it.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 07:23 | 4416921 the tower
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Someone here seems to love Putin. I got news for you: he's not gay.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 11:12 | 4417058 Teknopagan
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 15:59 | 4417673 Johnny Cocknballs
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foreign financed. Neither the Bolsheviks nor most of the oligarchs would have been {as} successful in stealing  massively disproportionate amounts of power and {natural} wealth without money from NY and London - and yes, often from the same "group" if not mostly so.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 14:49 | 4417477 lakecity55
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And there is NO comparison.

Putin does not need a teleprompter, and can actually speak and converse coherently without one.

Bath House is a 100% invented person. The only thing we know for sure is he likes dick and dope.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:09 | 4416153 Manipuflation
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You all did catch that ball in the opening ceremonies last night.  Do you know what ball represented?  Of course not.  What did you think they were doing there, playing volleyball?  It was a Russian woman's egg.  The red balloon was the sperm that the child let go.  Do you think I am bullshitting you?  Go back and look.  Putin pays $10K for a Russian woman to birth another Russian last I heard.  He's owe's me 20K and I should charge the guy for taking care of HIS WOMAN for more than a decade.  What kind of a dickhead?...   

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 01:25 | 4416727 Sashko89
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ur an idiot

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 01:23 | 4416728 Sashko89
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ur an idiot

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:24 | 4416178 FredFlintstone
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USA=Israel's bitch.

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