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Presidential Palace In Bosnia Set On Fire As Riots Break Out Protesting 40% Unemployment

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Another day, another European nation is hit by violent riots as protests over the economy and corruption spilled over violently into the street, this time Bosnia where more than 150 people were wounded on Friday in the worst civil unrest in the country since the 1992-95 war. The reason: anger over the dire state of domestic politics, the economic collapse and especially the country's 40% unemployment rate. The Telegraph reports that angry protesters set fire to part of the presidential palace in Sarajevo, as well as government buildings in the capital Sarajevo, Tuzla and Zenica. At least 80 people were injured in Sarajevo and 10 in Zenica, authorities said. There were no immediate casualty figures from Tuzla, where the worst of the fighting was.

Bosnia is a relatively new entrant to the current iteration of mass protests, however judging by the severity of public anger, the country is doing its best to catch up with the rest of Europe. More:

Demonstrators also clashed with riot police for a third consecutive day in the protests, which have remained largely contained to the Croat-Muslim Bosniak half of Bosnia.


Anti-government protests began on Wednesday in the northern city of Tuzla, before spreading as thousands took to the streets of a dozen cities to express their discontent over the almost 40 per cent unemployment rate.


Local media said police used rubber bullets and tear gas to disperse protesters in Sarajevo, where demonstrators stormed two government buildings including a presidential office, setting them ablaze and smashing furniture. The palace fires were promptly put out but almost all the windows were broken.


By 7pm local time, protesters had dispersed in the three main flashpoint towns, but police remained out in force. All shops were closed and streets were littered with glass and debris. On Saturday morning, the streets of Sarajevo were calm after firemen spent the night dousing the flames which almost gutted one regional government building, consuming cars and newsstands nearby.


However the city was bracing itself for further protests.


In Tuzla, the crowd stormed the local government building, throwing furniture, files and papers out of the windows and then setting the building on fire.

The protests in Tuzla may be calming following the resignation of Sead ?ausevi?, the Prime Minister of Tuzla Canton - one of 10 cantons in the Croat-Muslim Bosniak half of Bosnia - but other cities are only just getting beginning. In an unprecedented move, hundreds gathered in the capital of the Bosnian Serb part of the country, Banja Luka, to express support for protesters in the country's other mini-state, which is shared by Bosniaks and Croats.

"We gathered to support the protests in Tuzla where people are fighting for their rights," said Aleksandar Zolja, an activist from Banja Luka. The protests began on Wednesday with a clash between police and unpaid workers of four former state-owned companies, which left some 130 hurt, mostly from tear gas.

Said otherwise, wealth transfer, crony capitalism, corruption and an economic collapse have managed to unite the same people that just two decades ago were killing each other during the Yugoslavian civil war over such typical Eastern European lines of tension as religion and ethnicity. Congratulations.

Four companies employed most of the population of Tuzla. When they were privatised, contracts obliged the new owners to invest in them and make them profitable but they sold the assets, stopped paying workers and filed for bankruptcy.

Ironically, the very same is happening in the US and the rest of the world, as the productive assets are being confiscated, the middle class is being exterminated, and an increasingly smaller number of entities control the bulk of the wealth.

Summarizing the Bosnian situation in a nutshell:

Beside the high unemployment rate, the privatisation that followed the end of communism and the 1992-95 war produced a handful of tycoons, almost wiped out the middle class and sent the working class into poverty. Corruption is widespread and high taxes to fund a bloated public sector eat away at paychecks.

Or yet another teaser of what is coming to every other insolvent, crony capitalist, corrupt country in the world.


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Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:17 | 4415347 niccolo and donkey
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This is not a cross-ethnic affair as the protesters are overwhemingly Bosnian Muslims.  Croatians and Serbs in Bosnia want nothing to do with these demos (yet) as they rightly understand that there are ethnic concerns along with the official economic arguments for the protests.


In short, there is a fear that the Bosnian Muslims are using these demos to push for a centralization of the Croat-Muslim Federation by doing away with the dysfunctional cantonal system which would work to their advantage as they form a majority in the Federation.


The subtext here is that the EU Parliament passed a resolution this week opposing centralism (Bosnian Muslim) and secessionism (Serbian) approaches to the Bosnian state which are blocking its path towards the EU.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:32 | 4415381 TruthInSunshine
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Quick, get personnel from the U.S.S.A. Bureau of Labor Statistics over there to do some short term and long term adjustments to get the "official" Bosnian unemployment rate cut in half - STAT!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:33 | 4415396 Scarlett
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What happens in Sarajevo doesn't stay in Sarajevo.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:56 | 4415451 jbvtme
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this isn't about ethnics. it is the end of the industrial revolution. in the words of robert burns viewing the chared remains of an iron works in 1787:  We came not here to view your works
In hopes to be more wise,
But only, lest we go to Hell,
It may be no surprise.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:55 | 4415458 jbvtme
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william blake:  And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic mills?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:00 | 4415469 Jack Burton
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"England's green and pleasant land". Go to Britain in 2014 and see what neo-liberal economics has wrought in that land. Damn the EU, damn the EU all to hell! And fucking Labor and fucking Tony"cunt" Blair.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:09 | 4415502 TruthInSunshine
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Update: Many of the unemployed who set flame to the Presidential Palace were aided by some fortunate Bosnians still clinging to jobs, but who had recently been informed they would not be able to access fund in their MyRAs.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:23 | 4415539 Offthebeach
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Well, now the PesPalace can be rebuilt and everyone will have a job.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:40 | 4415574 THX 1178
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"Or yet another teaser of what is coming to every other insolvent, crony capitalist, corrupt country in the world."


U-S-A! U-S-A!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:57 | 4415731 0b1knob
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But on the other hand, fun times in the Central African Republic.

Thousands of muslims killed or forced to flee.   Only a short time ago an Al Queda backed fundy Islamic group gained control of the area and threw Christians to the crocodiles.

The worm has turned.  What goes around come around.   Barbarians kill barbarians.

As usual the French stand around with their hands in their pockets.

French culture.   Don't you just love it.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:12 | 4415760 giggler321
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It's funny that it's the Telegraph as of the London Riots they were all pretty much mute.  Camron even suggested using live rounds because the perpetrators were intentionally putting lives a risk by knowingly lighting fires where people lived.  The moment it's on home soil - it's a different thing...  They're all just opportunist thugs; funny that as it's not unlike the bankers who got us all into this mess.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:44 | 4415842 Supernova Born
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Time for a Coke.

Coke brings ethnic harmony and diabeetus can make one too sluggish to riot.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 16:00 | 4417671 TruthInSunshine
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Coke, caramel colored, sugar water of the NWO, and Warren "Fuck You, Suck It Up, Taxpayers" Buffett's favorite refreshment:

On a hilltop in Italy
We assembled young people
From all over the world
To bring you this message
From Coca-Cola Bottlers
All over the world
It's the real thing - Coke.
And they sang...

I'd like to buy the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow white turtle doves.

I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a Coke
And keep it company
That's the real thing.

(Repeat chorus)
I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a Coke
And keep it company
That's the real thing

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:46 | 4418280 Joseff Stalin
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They use water from supplies that have fluoride added. This increases the toxicity of coke.  Fluoride is absolutely tocix and destroys the body at a molecular level.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 16:47 | 4417784 Joseff Stalin
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"...“There are some who don’t want Muslims in this country,” Prime Minister Andre Nzapayeke said on local radio Saturday.

Read more: Central African Republic Muslims Hit by Mob Violence |"

They got tired of the muslims raping their women and slitting their throats.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:37 | 4418232 Joseff Stalin
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The French are a funny race.

They fight with their feet,

and fuck with their face.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:54 | 4415608 Crash Overide
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Don't you mean "Fuck the EU" Jack?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:43 | 4415411 ZerOhead
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Presidential Palace In Bosnia Set On Fire As Riots Break Out Protesting 40% Unemployment

They just need to do some minor retrofitting to the Presidential Palace to make it out of fire-proof solid gold. And they could use the unemployed citizens to perform the work for free.

See? Problem solved!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:02 | 4415475 SWRichmond
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They should print money and pay people to stay home and do nothing.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:39 | 4415692 max2205
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Corruption is widespread and high taxes to fund a bloated public sector eat away at paychecks.


Sounds familiar



Sun, 02/09/2014 - 00:46 | 4416679 EscapingProgress
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Bosnia's Ministry of Plenty must be AWOL. What kind of oligarchs let their livestock know what the actual unemployment numbers are? That is just bad business. Shame on them.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:30 | 4415386 Arius
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the subtext amigo, is that the balkans are not settled yet ... and the next turmoil has started!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:41 | 4415697 max2205
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Wait...don't we need someone to set themselves on fire first?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:47 | 4415711 ThirdWorldDude
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This is a direct result of Bosnia & Herzegovina (or what's left of it) being The Empire's protectorate for the last 20 years.

(Guess which other "political entity" on the penninsula is in exactly the same position with sky-high unemployment and corruption as a general lifestyle).

I highly recommend "The Weight of Chains" as a good start in understanding the current Balkan clusterfuck.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:29 | 4416515 Son of Captain Nemo
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Much obliged.  This is the first time I've seen "The Weight of Chains". 

I already knew how bad it was but this documentary like everything else the EU and U.S. have done only made it many times worse.  Everyone needs to see this.

Needless to say our Karma moment is well on it's way and it's going to be one hell of an ugly "Bitch"!


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:41 | 4415422 Jack Burton
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Great post, I must rethink my views on this, as I did not know this protest movement was mainly Bosnian Muslim centered!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:33 | 4415554 Mister Ponzi
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No surprise here. As the majority of Bosnian exports are agricultural and forestry products that mainly went to Croatia (look at a map of Bosnia and you know why), Croatia's membership to the EU was a big blow to Bosnia. Croatia's trade is now governed by EU rules which is detrimental to Bosnia. Moreover, the Croat-Muslim federation is France squared in terms of regulation and taxes, so many companies left this part of the country to settle in the Serbian part which is not great but much better than the Croat-Mulim federation. So, what happened is not really a surprise...

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 20:15 | 4416043 Graph
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Before the Civil War Sarajevo was multiethnic with almost "perfect" 1/3 of each  (Serbs, Croats and muslims that is). They lived in apsolute harminy, in this City at least, during the "Dictator's" time how it is now popular to call one of the greatest Statesman in 20th Century. Even the documentary "Weight of Chains",as recomended by other poster, depics former Yugoslavia as a happy and prosperous country while in the same time makes a claim tha it was under a brutal dictatorship...Like...make a pick!

Afer the war it became almost entire muslim dominated with heavy  influx of muslim from provincial towns while Serbs and Croats are slowly drfifting away under "silent presure".


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:44 | 4416535 Leaf of Tree
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Life in Yugoslavia was way better than all the other communist countries in EE during the cold war.

Too bad Croats felt for the German money,  Serbs fell for stupid nationalistic ideas and Bosnian muslims fell for Saudi money and ideology.

It's sad what happened to Yugoslavia.

The same shit was attempted in Romania, when foreign intelligence services tried to create an ethnic conflict between Romanians and Hungarians in Transilvania in the spring of 1990.

Unfortunately for the occult forces that  attempted to balkanize Romania, they failed.

Sad truth for these fuckers is that Hungarians are outnumbered in Transilvania 4 to 1.


The same shit is now tested in Ukraine, with probably the same perpetrators. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:57 | 4415460 Droel
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The rioters don't look typical Muslims.  They look like typical Bosnians.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:08 | 4415494 niccolo and donkey
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Well, they're both Bosnian and Muslim, hence the term "Bosnian Muslim".

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:18 | 4415516 Leaf of Tree
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The muslims of Bosnia are a special kind.

They are white Europeans.

Bosnia and Albania were the lamest regions of that area and they kneeled down in front of the Ottomans and converted to Islam. Unlike Serbs, Croats, Romanians, Russians, Hungarians, Slovenes, Greeks.

The muslims from Bosnia and Albania are hated in the region. The day will come when we will clear the Balkans  of these sharia-loving fucks.

Kosovo is Serbia you fuckers!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:33 | 4415556 kreso
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Dear Sir,


Territorial pretensions towards another independent country are a sign of aggression.

Can you explain us again why would Kosovo be Serbia in 2014.?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:36 | 4415567 Leaf of Tree
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Because Kosovo was stolen from Serbia by The Demonic Pentagon and set up as a base of human trafficking and a major entry point of heroine into Europe from Afganistan.

Kosovo was a region of Serbia before the CIA and the Pentagoons started their shit.

Would you like it if Russia and China ripped Texas from the US and gave it to Mexico??

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:38 | 4415573 Arius
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Bosnian are white europeans all right ... here are a couple of links to Hitler's myfti, the Grand Myfti of Jerusalem the palestinian Al Husseini who raised several brigades of Muslims bosnians to fight along the nazis against the allies

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:03 | 4416274 bluemaster
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and your Draza Michalovic was chetnic and fight together with Germans

and what all that have to do with >50%Unemployment revolt in Bosnia ?


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:53 | 4415607 kreso
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Dear Sir,


Texas annually votes and confirms the association with United States.

Kosovo's statehood has been difficult to achieve, but is now firmly established. Any wish from Serbia to return the territory is an act of aggression and serves no good purpose at all. (Kosovars live there longer than Serbs, have more than 90% majority and are now organised as a state.)

I would also encourage you, in the case you have any proof of CIA supported trafficking or drug smuggling to submit it to the court and come back to us.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:59 | 4415620 Leaf of Tree
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Cut the legalese newspeak you fuck.


Everyone in the Balkans knows that the American forces use Kosovo as the heroine distribution center to Europe, heroine that is brought up from Afganistan.

Many countries do not recognize Kosovo, Russia among them.

So you and your politically correct shit newspeak can go fuck a tree!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:59 | 4415732 ThirdWorldDude
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Don't forget that besides exporting death, Kosovo is also a major exporter of life to W. Europe.

google "Yellow house case".

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:47 | 4416393 DogOfSinope
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Kosovo doesn't have a statehood. It's mere Pentagon protectorate. It is not an UN member. It is not recognized as a state by 84 counties, including China, Russia, India, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Israel... It is even not recognized by 4 EU member states and 4 NATO member states.
Firmly established? Yeah. In Narnia.
"Kosovars" is the CIA spin doctors invented term that didn't even exist before 90's. There is no such thing as "Kosovars" in Kosovo. There are Albanians, Serbs, Roma and small number of other minorities.
And, Albanians didn't live there longer nor were even majority (as can be seen even in Otoman census data) in Kosovo before Cristian population was exterminated, first during the Otoman occupation and then during the WWI and WWII. Guess on which side were Albanians in both WWs?
Even the term Kosovo (and practically all other toponyms) is Serbian. It is short form of the term "Kosovo Polje", which literary means "Field of a blackbird" in Serbian. It means nothing in Albanian. Actually, full name of the Region is "Kosovo and Metohija". Metohija means "monastery's land" in Serbian. That was so politically incorrect for the new "statesmen" so they banned its use. They went further - since 2000 they burned more than 70 centuries old (several older than millennia) churches, some even Unesco World Heritage sites.
Re-engineering history might work in some Central-America banana states. But, Balkans is the cradle of Western Civilization. There is 5000 years worth of evidence. Truth stubbornly surfaces again and again.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:50 | 4418301 Joseff Stalin
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Some people were faced with the choice of convert or be beheaded.  Some muslims would rather not be muslims.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:41 | 4415701 max2205
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Note to all countries.....if you have something called a Presidential Palace. ....I would remane it pronto

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:38 | 4415829 Leaf of Tree
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White House is also a presidential palace.

Or do you think the accommodations in the White House are bed&breakfast type of quality?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:02 | 4415468 JLee2027
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When the mob gets going, there's little the authorities can do.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:19 | 4415525 greatbeard
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>> there's little the authorities can do.

Tell that to the OWS folks.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:06 | 4415632 blabam
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I wouldn't call OWS a mob. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:05 | 4415485 Herodotus
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Perhaps they could petition to be annexed by Austria?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:16 | 4415519 walküre
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Well done, Frau Nuland, well done...

The subtext here is that the EU Parliament passed a resolution this week

Dare I ask what the protester's banners are saying?

Where the hell is Hillary and does this in any way give her an opportunity to get rid of evidence in the US Embassy in Belgrade?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:50 | 4416241 bluemaster
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not all bosnians are muslim . Orthodox Christians living in bosnia are Bosnians to

and same for catolic population . What you are talking about ?

three major religions exist in bosnia orthodox,catolics and muslims 

2 of this you call by name of state ( croatian and Serbs) which have thay own independent state next to bosnia 

and all rest of bosnians you call muslim ?  



Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:27 | 4416325 Leaf of Tree
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45% of Bosnians are muslims.

36% are Serbian Orthodox.

15% are Croatian Catholics.

The rest are other religious minorities.


Since the Serbs and the Croats are too blinded by fake nationalism and cannot unite, the de facto power in Bosnia are the muslims.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:16 | 4415349 Arius
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With all your complaints, and there are many, people should be thankful they live in this oasis of peace called the usa.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:30 | 4415377 El Vaquero
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When that kind of discontent comes here, and it will come here, it will be very, very ugly.  You think the cops here would respond to all those rocks being thrown the same way the cops in that video did?  The rot started at the core, but the collapse is starting from the outside. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:33 | 4415395 Arius
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there are no basis for that kind of discontent over here .... the South North division was settled 150 years ago !


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:40 | 4415416 El Vaquero
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I'm thinking that there is some sarcasim in both of your posts.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:58 | 4415459 MarsInScorpio
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Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that the old division is still relevant today?


Today's division is between the Takers and the Makers; those who take everything they can get for free versus those who make the things they take and see themswelves increasingly pushed out of the rewards working should bring.


And the Takers are not just the welfare-class - it includes the oligarchs who are kleptos stealing all they can from the Makers as well. The mediums by which the oligarchs and .01 percenters operate are the financial establishment, and the government.


The cops, so in love with their psycho sociopathic lust for power, and their equally loved desire to inflct pain and death on others, are the dummies who don't realize that in old age, their psychosis isn't going to pay the bills, and eventually they too will be broke beggars getting their own asses kicked by their psycho replacements in the militarized police state.


One post commented that US psycho cops wouldn't respond as did the Bosnian riot police. That is absolutely correct. All you have to do is think back to Kent State, and that was before they really got juiced with all the military gear they have now.


The Boston bombing should have taught everyone that the days of Constitutional constraints are over. They are dead. We are a police state run at the end of their barrels.


They move in using armored vehicles mounted with .50 caliber machine guns. They wear body armor and carry assualt rifles. They cover their faces as they break down your door. They kill your pets just to communicate their blood-thirsty, psychotic nature.


The are accountable to no one but themselves. Why do you think cops are terrorized by the thought of civillian review boards? When was the last time you heard of the cops getting charged for their crimes against the population?


They have impunity from arrest, and they know it.


So when the revolt comes, it will have to be bloody. When you know someone is going to kill you, you have no choice but to kill that someone first.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:08 | 4415491 Arius
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you might be right on your points ... have no idea really, and i think a lot will have to do with what has been already decided.

however, i have seen enough, to know that although the old division might not be relevant today, things do happen it might be another division; but keep in mind you will see 100 tries until the objective is achieved.  what is the objective?  i dont really care to know, it is above my pay rate and something that although it might and will affect me, i know there is nothing i can do to affeect its outcome.  there you have it!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:23 | 4415535 El Vaquero
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That is a defeatest attitude.  When SHTF, the people who fight won't fight because they think they can win.  They will fight because they believe that they have no other choice but to win.  The odds, or perceived odds will be irrelevant. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:29 | 4415548 Arius
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i like to think of it as an objective and realistic attitude.

however, you might be right though ... 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:05 | 4415635 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Depresive Realists do indeed have a better conecpt of reality,

as opposed to Optimists and Pessimists.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:29 | 4415671 SDShack
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But no one follows a depressive realist. They will follow an optimist or a pessimist. Depressive realists make good sheep. Just like TPTB want.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:43 | 4415699 ThroxxOfVron
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"They will fight because they believe that they have no other choice but to win.  The odds, or perceived odds will be irrelevant. "

Those that do not believe that they can win may in fact fight in the most unrepentantly violent dirty and uncivilized fashion that they can possibly imagine precisely because there will be no hope of leniency or clemency or negotiation in failure.

Suicide Bombers are not concerned with whatever the opinions of juries in courtrooms or the sphere of public opinion might be.

-They are going to heaven or hell and bringing as many as they can carry with them because the only/any sort of future has already been determined to be intolerable and/or unobtainable.

When all hope for peace and liberty is lost mutual exterminiation becomes a viable if not preferable alternative.

No future = no preclusion from undertaking morally indefencible acts of aggression and destruction...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 10:54 | 4417047 The Chief
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If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:28 | 4418411 Joseff Stalin
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Rmember the Alamo.

Battle of Kosovo


Battle of Thermopylae


The Siege of Vienna in 1529

Battle of Vienna Sept 11 1683



Some people fight to the death rather than become slaves.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:08 | 4415492 Jack Burton
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I enjoyed your take on America's modern cops. I am getting well into middle age, I have seen cops go from people I could approach and ask for help if I needed it, from guys I liked to see around when I was in big cities, I have seen them turn into evil mother fuckers I hate with a passion. They are just as you describe them, it is like making my nut case Drill Instructor into a cop and giving him power to shoot civilians, a frightening mother fucker he was, and now guys like him are in every cop force in the land.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:10 | 4415504 El Vaquero
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Well, I see that we are in agreement on cops.  There are a dwindling few departments across the country that don't allow this behavior.  There is a reason that, short of a body on my living room floor, they aren't getting called.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:40 | 4415694 R_Soles
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+2 Jack and El vac!

I live in Toronto and let me assure you the motto here has gone from "to serve and protect" to "hassle and collect"

Rather than be out in full force protecting society like 30 years ago, they are more concerned with "new Revenue tools" more speeding tickets, parking tickets etc to feed the fat fucks.

To boot, in the last year Toronto cops have shot and killed 3 UNARmed regular folks, including one where I live where a Naked man was shot dead because he was acting "strangely". Yeah a naked man possessed a lethal threat my ass. Since it was not videographed, it is being swept under the rug, along with one of the other 2. However the third incident in which 9 cops cordened off a TTC streetcar because an 18 yeard old kid had a knife and was acting weird resulted in the kid being shot 9 times but it was captured on video by someone at the scene. A fat fuck cop has now been charged with murder for the first time in 50 years or, it too, would be under the rug with their little code of silence. Yes we hve afucked up mayor but he has called the police chief an ASS and he is right. The wife and I used to have respect for them, but now I don't even say hello to these cocksuckers anymore. They also, in their COLLLECT mode, pull my son over regulary and charge him with neat shit like "too much tint" This actually happened at midnite when they could find nothing else to hassle him with. Cost $110 bucks. They know he can't miss a day' pay for this BS or hire a lawyer which costs even more. The whole fuckin legal area is one big GD con. Just wanted to let you know it ain't just a US phenomenon. The government here in Ontario is broke and they intend to steal as much as they can with the legally appointed thugs known as cops as enforcers. I'd rather just deal with the Mexican cartels. At least everyone knows they are corrupt and just stays away

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:16 | 4415771 El Vaquero
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I'm not in Albuquerque, but I am there a lot.  Here are the type that I have to deal with.

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Bernalillo County authorities say they won't seek charges against an Albuquerque police officer who fatally shot a man holding a black plastic spoon.

The Second Judicial District Attorney's Office announced Wednesday that an internal review found that officer Sean Wallace was justified in shooting 22-year-old Alan Gomez in May 2011.

Wallace shot Gomez after Gomez allegedly held his brother and his brother's girlfriend against their will at an Albuquerque house. His brother, Eric Gomez, later said he hadn't felt as though he was being held prisoner.

Authorities say he came out to talk to officers and was holding only a black plastic spoon when shot in the back while walking into the house.

Gomez was one of more than two dozen shot by police since 2010.

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating Albuquerque police over excessive force claims.

People here don't talk shit about police proficiency with firearms.  The cops here know how to use theirs.  It's something like a 75% fatality rate if you get shot by a cop here. 


Then the cocksuckers will try to play mind games with the people who they are questioning.  They'll ask all sorts of hypothetical questions that are irrelevant.  They're trying to flummox people into saying something that they can use to arrest them.  They also lie like a motherfucker.  The best responses to them if you are being questioned are "I'm evoking my right to remain silent," or "I do not answer questions, officer."  They make snap judgments about people then set into motion a series of events that ruin many lives based on those snap judgments.  Once you're in the legal system, if they don't have sufficient evidence to convict you at trial, the DA will try to slap on several extra charges and then use those charges as leverage to get you to plea. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:49 | 4418459 Joseff Stalin
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" ...I'd rather just deal with the Mexican cartels..."






Police Find Cut Off Human Heads Left At Mexico School - Exclusive Footage



The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons Full Length)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:18 | 4418387 Joseff Stalin
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I'm a Good Ole' American (Anti-Obama song)




Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:39 | 4415389 kito
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yeah an overmilitarized snooping prying police state will give you your peace. hey i hear north korea has no street crime

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:49 | 4415440 Arius
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is this what you talking Kito?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:04 | 4415390 kito
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Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:31 | 4415391 Emergency Ward
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Clinton hasn't started bombing us yet in the USA.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:38 | 4415400 sylviasays
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Ah, but an oasis of peace for how much longer with trillions of dollars in debt, millions of long term unemployed, and a neo-Marxist fascist dictator that rewards his cronies and rules by executive fiat? 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:11 | 4415505 Jack Burton
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If you think Obama is Marxist, you don't understand economics, the Washington power structure, corporate control of media, congress the president and spy agencies. This is FOX news republican talking points. Have you read Marx, do you follow American economic policy. Do you know where 95% of all income gains go? Have you seen agraph of tax rates on the wealthy and corporations? If you knew what socialism was!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:57 | 4415718 sylviasays
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Like the typical MSNBC tranny that you are, you focused only on the word Marxist. Not only is Obozo a neo-Marxist, but he is also a fascist. Obozo has been surrounded by Marxist leftists his entire life--his grandfather, his mother, his mentor Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, etc. However, the biggest donors to Obozo's presidential campaigns were the big New York banks and hedge funds. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:06 | 4415734 SDShack
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I know this is the Fight Club, but don't be too hard on each other. I think you are both right. Don't get caught up in labels. We need to focus attention on the real problems, not each other.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:06 | 4415746 sylviasays
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Unlike Jack Burton, I am not confused about my sexuality nor am I confused about the definitions of marxism, communism, socialism, capitalism, coporatism or fascism. I'm also not a him. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:39 | 4415828 TuPhat
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Get him Sylvia, Jack has his problems and I agree with you on this one.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:48 | 4416236 walküre
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You realize that without a reserve currency status America would look alot like Russia, India or maybe China.

The reserve currency status allows you to live well above and beyond your means and gives you the illusion of being the most powerful and most affluent nation on earth.

Nothing else. There's no ubersmart American ingenuity or American innovation to warrant this kind of exessive and wasteful lifestyle that many Americans are living at the expense of many other people around the world. Sure, there are benefits to others who aligned themselves with America to share the spoils and riches.

But never forget where it all comes from and how it's maintained.

Without reserve currency status you're fucked like the rest.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:16 | 4415350 So Close
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Bullish...  Waiting for Yellen to be burnt and hung in effigy.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:18 | 4415351 666
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"Beside the high unemployment rate, the privatisation that followed the end of communism and the 1992-95 war produced a handful of tycoons, almost wiped out the middle class and sent the working class into poverty. Corruption is widespread and high taxes to fund a bloated public sector eat away at paychecks."

Are they describing Bosnia or the USSA?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:31 | 4415382 El Vaquero
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There is some lag time here in the land of the fleeced and the home of the bribed.  Just wait. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:48 | 4415434 jbvtme
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i don't buy it, el.  i see nothing but flabbiness of girth, intellect and spirit in this country. we are clueless cowards, we americans,  shorn long ago. now comes the flaying...

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:49 | 4415442 El Vaquero
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You describe the average American.  Not everybody is average, and those who are will be along for the ride whether they like it or not.  At some point, the bread and circuses are going to be diminished, and that's when you'll see shit start to get real.  People worried about whether they'll have a meal in a couple of months can change their attitudes real quick. 


Watch food prices this summer, given the drought in California and the cattle in an already diminished herd who were killed by the weather recently. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:17 | 4415352 Oh regional Indian
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Eastern Europe was the toast of the world not so long ago. Their culture and architecture speak volumes.

And then they got infested by a certain travelling germ...

The rest is history. Like India. Like China...probably cyclically inevitable but sad to behold anyways...


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:14 | 4415510 TruthInSunshine
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Croatia is one of the most beautiful places I've ever traveled to, and I been fortunate enough to have traveled a lot.

The fractional reserve fiat jackals can never leave beautiful places unmolested as their avarice & lust knows no boundaries.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:28 | 4415540 Leaf of Tree
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Well..well an Indian.


In Romania 5% of the population is of one specific ethnicity. And it ain't muslims.

In Romania we only have 20,000 turks living. I might exagerate the numbers.

But we have 1 million gypsies that came from..guess where?

Yes, they came ages ago from India.


Besides cow worshiping, tantric sex (whatever that demonic shit means) and shiting in the streets , what exactly did you Indians brought to the table?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:36 | 4415569 kreso
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Dear Sir,


Indians brought to Europe zero. Which greatly enhanced Italian merchants skills in the 12th century and started Renaissance.

But, in any case, in the day of Last Judgement, it won'tbe nations that will be judged.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:41 | 4415581 Schmuck Raker
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Hate much?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:07 | 4415751 shovelhead
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Take-out Curry?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:55 | 4415603 linrom
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Nobility and Mongols destroyed Eastern Europe, it was always a land of oppressed peasants and lords just like dysfunctional Indian caste system of 99% and 1 percenters.


Eastern Europe was the toast of Europe. When? These countires were poor, backwaters for 2,000 years.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:05 | 4415626 Leaf of Tree
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I guess the 1000 years of Byzantine empire of peace and prosperity in EE has escaped you huh?!

During the Byzantine Empire, EE was thriving when the Western part of the Roman empire was sleeping with cows.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:40 | 4415698 linrom
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Yes a minuscule part of Eastern Europe like Bulgaria and parts of former Yugoslavia. Most of the Eastern European population lives well to the north of the Mediterranean Sea--a land that's a complete mystery to them.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:18 | 4415353 niccolo and donkey
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In this brief ten second clip, the head of Sarajevo Canton, Suad Zeljkovic, is asked by a reporter if he will resign.  His reply is a curt one: "go crawl into your mother's c*nt!".  He has since resigned.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:36 | 4415405 SteveGennisonBa...
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Thats a very casual response.  Not to be taken whole-heartedly.  My father would tell me that on a daily basis.  

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:33 | 4415524 TruthInSunshine
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"You are the afterbirth of your mother's septic womb" is a traditional wedding toast in some parts of Eastern Europe, but not in Bosnia.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:54 | 4415609 Leaf of Tree
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"Du-te in pizda matii" in Romanian means Go crawl back into your mother's cunt.

It's very common, but it's very evil curse because it implies you wished the cursed never was born. 


It's sad to hear it.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:21 | 4415355 Pig Circus
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Can the world wait two years for another Clinton to bomb the place back into submission?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:21 | 4415361 Emergency Ward
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She will soften it up for Albright and Soros to skim the war profits later.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:21 | 4415362 Haus-Targaryen
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Ok Greece, your turn.  

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:37 | 4415408 kito
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greeks? spainards? bunch of submissive pansies who will never move beyond protest banners. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4416182 Escapedgoat
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You forget that Spain (1936) AND Greece (1944-1949) had Civil wars for fucks shake.

What are you going to help???

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:24 | 4415367 wmbz
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The protestors should get together and build a few trebuckets. Start hurling buckets of boiling oil. Just to change things up a little.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:24 | 4415370 FrustratedLogician
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Coming to a country you live in.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:29 | 4415378 SteveGennisonBa...
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After driving through this part of the world last year, I only wondered when, not if, this would happen.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:32 | 4415393 niccolo and donkey
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Hi Steve, nice grb.  This is only the beginning...when the weather warms up things are going to get a lot uglier.  There is no more aid money left to be stolen and the Muslims are very, very upset as their leaders have robbed everyone blind.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:35 | 4415409 SteveGennisonBa...
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Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:04 | 4415623 Mayer Amschel R...
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That "grb" (coat of arms) signifies WWII objective of 1/3 Serbs, Jews, & Gypsys dead (slaughtered by knife), 1/3 converted to Cathoicism, and 1/3 expelled from their homeland at hands of Croat Ustashe.  It is also Masonic and therefore Luciferian.

There's nothing "nice" about that bloody shit stain of a grb.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:24 | 4415659 SteveGennisonBa...
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Luciferian.  Lmao.  Ok buddy.  I know the real history as I had family in high places during this era.  Ive heard both sides, you've apparently heard bullshit.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:25 | 4415791 bunnyswanson
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Theme of darkness during celebrations cannot be denied.  Denver airport, the olympics, the award ceremonies all have celebrated the night.

Justify madness.


 Many ask, “What does it mean to be your own god?” My reply is that to be a god is to understand that you must be able to identify your spirituality emerging from within; that you empower any gods or daemons which are brought into your temple and that you alone are responsible for your accomplishments and failures. If you are the beginning or source of your spirituality, the strength you will possess will be greater than any other, allowing you to enter the path of the truly satanic and luciferian. As you can see, this has nothing to do with Christian ideology other than the adversarial mask. The archetypes/symbols/deific masks have meaning to you in what they represent and eventually what you have achieved using them, once removing the mask or symbol, the energy which fueled your achievement is derived from your imagination and Will.

 To be a god is to know that what you do now will affect your future days ahead. To be a god is to then take actions which will make your future manifest in most reasonable ways according to your will. To be a god is to call upon the other deific masks and daemons when you seek a type of knowledge, then to use them as a part of yourself. To be the most productive with this ideology, you must search and seek the knowledge of the history of the archetypes and enemies you seek to overmaster. Learning the origins of Yahweh is an excellent place to start: you will never look at a Christian the same again. They will appear even more pathetic.

The myths and symbols of old are potential “imagination fuel” for the luciferian, those who understand their greatness lies within their grasp and is only limited by their understanding of how the world works, their will and the ability to recognize errors in thinking which restrict success."


3rd generation fraternity brats would fall right into this, as they justify their greed which will result in the misery and death of hundreds of millions of people (and this is about to take place).  They clearly have way too much time on their hands and have no qualms doing whatever it takes to win the prize, everything.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:42 | 4416228 DirkDiggler11
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Truly a lost soul destined for the pits of hell.

Repent your sins bunny and ask for Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Savior.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:29 | 4415669 kreso
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Dear Sir,


Socialist Republic of Croatia, under the same coat-of-arms, tried the responsible for the acts you mentioned above. Practically all of Ustashe available to justice were tried to death penalty.

The justice was carried under the same coat-of-arms, modified with a red star on top.

Should you know any current indecent or illegal usage of such coat-of-arms there's plenty of institutions to which you could rightfully complain.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:56 | 4415729 niccolo and donkey
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Stop visiting Serb nationalist and Holocaust Remembrance sites so that you stop looking ridiculous when commenting.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:14 | 4415766 kreso
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Dear Sir,


Does that mean you haven't visited any Holocaust (Shoah) memorial site either?

I beg of you, please do.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:20 | 4415776 niccolo and donkey
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Haahaha, dobro.  Kreso, ajde na moj profil i ajde na stranicu sto je tamo povezano.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:31 | 4416197 A Nanny Moose
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FFS. Get a fucking room. Go have your ethic circle jerk elsewhere.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:33 | 4415402 Rukeysers Ghost
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I wonder who in our State Dept' set this little demonstration up?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:37 | 4415413 El Vaquero
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They're going to send in the horse.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:57 | 4415452 layman_please
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somebody high up is pulling the strings as tensions are building up across the globe. state department is probably just a implementer for some think tank. something is afoot, but i can't quite put my finger on it. i guess we'll learn in 1-3 years what was the grand agenda.

i just won't buy the spontaneous uprisings. people are way too stupid and apathetic to act without a push.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:32 | 4415557 Leaf of Tree
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The Bible tells you what it is.


Nation against nation, brother against brother, son against father.


It's really simple.

For the evil one the opposite of Jesus Christ to arrive, chaos worldwide must exist. Because he will propose peace. Prosperity. And desperate people will worship him.

The powers that be in the West are all possessed by demons. They unknowingly do the devil's biding. Devils use greed and love of money and power to create the perfect storm for the son of perdition to incarnate and claim to be God.

Each month that passes things speed up. 

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:46 | 4415594 TPTB_r_TBTF
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and they will award him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:35 | 4416203 A Nanny Moose
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Like Barry? Of course, Barry is a grovelling fool. Not fit to lick the shot from the boots of Satan's lowest minion.

You are correct however.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:54 | 4416254 walküre
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You know why the bible foretells things? Because it uses events from the past to base its predictions on. In other words, we have been here many times over and we are running in circles. Maybe, just maybe we have a chance to evolve further if we just abandoned all the religious studies and accepted scientific facts and dared to look into a future without hokium from religion. It's not going to happen obviously but I dare to dream of such a time.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:37 | 4416358 Leaf of Tree
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From where I'm standing the West doesn't look good at all, despite all the prevalent atheism, rationalism, science.ism, gnosticism that dominates Western mindset.

"If only we would let science set us all free" you people claim, failing to see thay since the Renaissance in the West, you have been on the path of science and rationalism.

All you have successfully managed to do is improve your material lives, at the cost of your morals and spiritual health.

I've never met a Westerner that honestly spoke his mind. Only politically correct fake smiling zombies.

Science as an end is going to be the doom of your society.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:32 | 4415553 bookwurm
Sat, 02/08/2014 - 17:05 | 4415625 Schmuck Raker
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Thnks for the link, bookwurm.

I encourage everyone to read the linked article by F. William Engdahl.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:38 | 4415407 gwar5
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Wait... what?  Bosnia?   I'm already missing Greeces' Riot Dog big time. Is he alright?





Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:17 | 4415775 shovelhead
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Riot Dog still is my favorite Greek Hero.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:45 | 4415415 Jack Burton
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editied out, due to new information. Still it seems odd that all the liberation America brought to the Balkans should come to this!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:39 | 4415417 Bunga Bunga
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Russia will come up with a Bosnian boxer as the new prime minister.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:42 | 4415425 Jack Burton
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+100 Too funny!

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 15:43 | 4415430 autofixer
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So 40% is the tipping point?  I was just in Spain and they have 30% unemployment and all is tranquil.  40%, that's a good figure to know.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 16:41 | 4415576 Leaf of Tree
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I happen to live in Spain and things are quiet because of 2 things:

- the so called black economy, people prefer to earn 1000 euros over the counter and pay no taxes than be ripped off by the state and only earn 900 euros

- family. The young live with their parents well into their 40's


The same is valid in Italy.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:43 | 4415788 FreeMktFisherMN
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for reasons completely unrelated to the economic malaise, youth living with their parents is the way it ought to be, until the son finds work and can sustain himself, and the daughter has married. Sending youth off to the liberal environs of college where LGBT and mind altering drugs are the norm along with Keynesian doctrine and moral relativism is I  unconscionable. As is sending one's kids to the public schools, as opposed to actually homeschooling them and raising them to be God-fearing ( and they achieve far more as they're not held back, and women are taught to be actual women as opposed to this new age 'feminism' which actually de-feminizes women).





Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:45 | 4415841 Leaf of Tree
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I agree.


The statists do all they can to idolate kids from their family.

Family is the last fortress against this  zionistic homosexual "new man" they want to create.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 18:58 | 4415874 FreeMktFisherMN
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Glad to hear someone else knows what's going on. It is unbelievable to think how things have changed from the more conservative culture 60 years ago where there was modesty and reputation and dignity, not this PC bullshit, compared to today where the motto you'll hear more than anything is 'live for today.' I think it is satanic, actually, that motto, as it is saying who gives a shit about the future it's all about what 'feels good' and about the here and now. 

This whole malaise is not just economic; it is moral and financial bankruptcy. Starting with the New Deal, which was borne out of the Federal Reserve inflationary policy of the 1920s, which was borne of the Fed which was created  in 1913. 

God is just and He will have His vengeance. Look at the #s of aborted babies ever since Roe v Wade. Look at all the false theology zionists like Hagee preach about how Jews are saved even though the Bible clearly states that No one comes to the Father but through the Son. There is always a remnant, though, of God's people. Get out of the damnable Catholic Church, and trust not in institutions nor of men, but only in God and His Word. The local church is the emphasis as the Bible prescribes, with no hierarchy bureaucracy like so many of these mainstream denominations have. And look what happens when you get these bureaucracies; things like GLBT being accepted. 

The day of the Lord is coming. I have no clue when, but I do see the moral decay and the surveillance technology and so many people who vote for whoever will give them bread and circuses, which aligns with how the Bible says the Antichrist will promise peace and prosperity.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 21:51 | 4416240 DirkDiggler11
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Amen, well said FMF. I always grew up just reading the book of Revelations, I never imagined I would ever feel like it might be happening during my time on earth. Always some time in the future, the future.....

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4416541 FreeMktFisherMN
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Just trust in the Lord and be on the side of life (i.e., pro-life, against provocative wars that ruin families and propagate the Zionist agenda, and in terms of NOT being one of these people who say 'I don't want to be alive when things get hellish', because we are always to fight on the side of life).

If the Lord's return is near, even so come Lord Jesus. I am afraid of nothing this earth can throw at me; I only fear God and His wrath. I truly reached an age of accountability in my own faith about 5 years ago when I was 17 or so and realized that it really is Heaven or Hell, and started to wake up to things like the usurious banking system and the surveillance state and things like fluoridation and the moral relativism. I remember that I really had the fear of God put in me; I still make stupid mistakes and have problems, but that trust in Him is what keeps me going. 

The Revelation is exactly what is going to play out. The Bible is inerrant. God's will will be done, and things must come to pass. 



Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:40 | 4416373 Leaf of Tree
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I agree with most you said.

I only am against the use of the word vengeance in relation to God.

God doesn't have vengeance. But justice.

Not justice in the human way.

But a simple separation of the dirty from the clean.


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:50 | 4416406 FredFlintstone
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Vengeance is mine... It belongs to me...The vengeance of the Lord...

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:00 | 4416262 walküre
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Ok, you may rethink that when your kids are in their 40s and still eating out of your fridge. Kids move out because parents are usually all too happy to cut the cord when the kids are in their early 20s. That works for MOST families. The fact that Spaniards and Italian young adults can't afford to move out is awful. Where is the economy going?

"Son, you're 42 now. I think you and your wife and 2 kids should find a place of your own. Your sister, her husband and their 4 kids are expecting again ...."

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 22:49 | 4416388 Leaf of Tree
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You are describing the protestant germanic ways.

Sure the germanic and anglo young people make themselves independent earlier because the economy, or more correctly the debt printing is bigger in their countries. And so young people in those nations have access to debt that allows them to be "independent" of their parents, while at the same time they enslave themselves to banksters.


But if germanic nations are richer, why do they have serious demographic problems?

Why do the rich Germans have no babies?

Surely having more money and away from ones parents, they could afford to start families? But having babies is a problem in Germany and other nordic nations.

No wonder that muslims are making great inroads in those countries.

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:34 | 4416525 FreeMktFisherMN
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I'm not putting anything one size fits all. I am saying that when a man in his mid twenties has secured a job/means to sustain a livelihood, he moves out and eventually finds a wife. The daughter should not leave her parents home until she has been married. No exceptions. In this world of promiscuity and cheap thrills no way should a daughter not be under her parents until she is married. 

That's why initially I wrote by the way that this is not at all a conviction related to the economic malaise. I just saw the idea that staying home with parents which is becoming more and more prevalent was being looked at as the horror, the horror, and wanted to explain my belief on that. It's a miserable economy, no question. People bogged down by debt to an institution that is either God-less or even if so-called 'Christian' highly compromised as they go the secular route to receive funding and deviate from the Word, and at these places they teach keynesianism and moral relativism. I like the old school way of apprenticeships and paying a professional to sit behind them. Totally relative training, versus 4 + years where invariably a good deal of it is not relevant. 


Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4416545 FredFlintstone
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My 26 yo daughter has travelled the world, has a job and goes to law school at night. You saying I should get her on the phone and demand that she comes home until she is married?

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:56 | 4416574 FreeMktFisherMN
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I am well aware this is an old school POV I have but it is Biblical I firmly believe. The man is to be the breadwinner; the wife the homemaker and child raiser (husband disciplinarian and teach the Bible lessons).

As I said, 'feminism' actually de-feminizes women. Women are endowed by God with abilities to raise children and be subservient to their husband. This is biblical.

This is the evil of the usurious zionist banking system which has made it hard to make ends meet with just the one income, although again, a lot of this has to do with defining wants/needs, and that people need to save (save in terms of sound money, too, when saving).  

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 23:59 | 4416584 FreeMktFisherMN
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What I am describing actually used to be the way it worked; chivalry and just old fashioned values. I don't go off of what society deems as the right way to do things. The Bible clearly emphasizes that those who follow the Word wlll encounter resistance and hatred, through which they can only overcome through trust in God. In the case of young people, this would mean a young woman humbly waiting at home learning of ways to home make and going to church and meeting a young man and trusting that she will be wed eventually. 


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 00:13 | 4416614 FredFlintstone
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No. Those that follow Jesus will encounter resistance and hatred, but you know this and probaly mis-typed. My daughter went to two Christian schools from the 5th grade on even though we had access to suposedly top public schools. The last Christian school she was at was more fundamentalist than the first and turned out to be a fine instrument of Satan. She wants to make a difference and is not interested in a traditional path. She cares about others, works harder than anyone I have ever known and is using and developing her talents. She is open minded and an objective thinker and has helped me to see some of my faults.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 00:31 | 4416651 FreeMktFisherMN
FreeMktFisherMN's picture

Indeed those that follow Jesus, who is also the Word. It is the Living Word. I truly believe homeschooling one's kids is the biblical way to educate your children. I could not delegate that responsibility to anyone else, and jeopardize their not learning the ways of the Lord. 


Whether a public school is 'good' or not makes no difference, because the criteria do not prioritize or even include teaching kids to fear God.They go by secular measures. And it is not a coincidence that homeschoolers achieve far more as they are constantly challenged and not held back by the socialist system of tenure and PC. 


There are many wolves in sheep's clothing. Many fundamental Baptist preachers have been exposed for deviating from the Word of God. When you see some of these really popular preachers, be wary; as the Bible reiterates it is the remnant. The World loves the new age type rock n roll stuff but hates hearing about sin and preaching against it. 

I'm not talking about women putting off their careers for their families; I'm saying a woman's 'career' ought to BE her family and fulfilling her God-instructed and endowed duty. Period. Women should have no other occupational endeavors. Of course charity and using their talents to help others is separate from this and absolutely is commendable. But nothing job related. We need to restore the traditional household. 

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