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Americans Are Renouncing Their Citizenship In Record Numbers

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Three times more Americans gave up on America in 2013 than in 2012. As The WSJ reports, last year saw a record number of US taxpayer expatriations. While "exceptionalism" and living the American Dream remain cornerstones of maintaining the US citizenry's view of the world, it seems everything from tax-code changes to spying drove 2,999 people to hand in their passports last year, "above all, fear seems to be driving this increase."



Via WSJ,



According to the Treasury Department, 630 individuals renounced their U.S. citizenship or ended their long-term U.S. residency by turning in their green cards during the fourth quarter.


The fourth-quarter figure brought to 2,999 the total number of expatriations for 2013. The previous record was 1,781 in 2011, said Andrew Mitchel, a tax lawyer in Centerbrook, Conn., who tracks the data.




attributed the surge to increased awareness of the obligation to file U.S. tax returns, the increasing burden of compliance and the fear of large penalties for failure to file U.S. returns.


"Above all, fear seems to be driving this increase in expatriations,"




The U.S. is unique among developed nations in requiring citizens and green-card holders to file tax returns, regardless of where they live, he noted. People who expatriate also can be subject to exit tax.



However, we suspect this spike in 2013 is only the beginning...

This week, Internal Revenue Service Commissioner John Koskinen told a congressional committee that since 2009 more than 43,000 U.S. taxpayers have entered a special program for taxpayers with undeclared offshore accounts and paid more than $6 billion in back taxes, interest and penalties.


Experts representing such taxpayers estimate that the IRS still is due several billion dollars more.


The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act may also be encouraging some taxpayers to expatriate, experts said. Set to take effect this year, it requires foreign financial institutions to report account information to the U.S., both for U.S. citizens and green-card holders living in the U.S. and abroad.


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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:37 | 4417904 So Close
Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:41 | 4417915 The Juggernaut
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Abandon fucking ship, huh?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:41 | 4417916 Zero_Sum
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Belize is looking better by the day.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:44 | 4417919 The Juggernaut
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Totes.  Where are they going?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:49 | 4417927 flacon
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 I'm considering it. I'm living further North now (wink, wink). Haven't paid taxes to EyeAreEss since 2009. "Fuck the USA". 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:51 | 4417940 The Juggernaut
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Everyone should hand in their passports and tell the US gov't to fuck off but continue to live in the USA.  Revolt.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:57 | 4417961 TeamDepends
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We heartily encourage the candy-assed maggots who are not willing to fight for freedom to seek the nearest exit at once.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:10 | 4417996 Duke of Earl
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Everyone is waiting to see the American steely eyed, lantern jawed freedom fighters begin the struggle.

And waiting....

Seems the freeloaders are winning the battle.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:13 | 4418012 0b1knob
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US renounced its citizens long ago.  We are all subjects (ie slaves) now.

The (rational) rats are leaving a sinking ship.   More power to them.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:45 | 4418110 TeamDepends
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"Everyone is waiting...", "The (rational) rats are leaving the sinking ship."  All of the ships are sinking.  There is no safe harbor.  If you are not willing to stand your ground, then you will spend your life running.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:56 | 4418142 Occident Mortal
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I wonder what the average net worth of those 2,999 individuals is?

I'm guessing it's above average.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:35 | 4418562 asdasmos
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Some people here are defending their current choice to stay or disparage people who renounce, as this list is making them fear they were wrong.

"The problem with bubbles is that they force one to decide whether to look like an idiot before the peak, or an idiot after the peak." - John Hussman

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:54 | 4418143 Occident Mortal
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I wonder what the average net worth of those 2,999 individuals is?

I'm guessing it's above average.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:02 | 4418348 remain calm
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Where do you sign up? Living in the America I have become to feel like a milk cow.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:56 | 4418473 mt paul
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:21 | 4418535 Unpopular Truth
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I have heard that they can stay here illegally, and as such get free benefits without paying taxes.

Can someone please confirm right or wrong



Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:34 | 4418546 asdasmos
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Depends on your origin

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:53 | 4418604 DoChenRollingBearing
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Expatriating is a difficult thing.  I would not recommend to it to most.  You must learn the language, like the food and be prepared to live differently.  Unless you are very rich.

Peru would be our first choice.

Costa Rica is an option, but just that, not my favorite, although a fair number of Americans are there.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:29 | 4418823 Money 4 Nothing
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It's easy as shit. 8 was filed on November 12 2013. I got interviewed 3 months later and granted. Done. I'm an American citizen now. Exit tax pending for mid March. And enjoy your State of Emergency when this . gov turns brutal with mil to mil contacts with foreign allies allowed to mow you and your family down in tbe street.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:38 | 4418841 CheapBastard
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Since 2 million immigrants flood into the country every year....these handful of departing people are insignificant.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 09:43 | 4419513 ignl
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Yeah but those leaving probably are with at least 1M in bank account or with really good income...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4418586 scrappy
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You are "stock" cattle according to some...

...without you even knowing.  MOO

Check out why.

If we convene "Common Law" Grand Juries in every county in these united states, the people will come.

Join us.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:19 | 4418650 Help Is Not Coming
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Well, if you're going to do that then why don't you convene a Common Law Grand Jury and see if you can get an indictment of "consipracy to commit murder" for our dear leader's extra judicial killing of American citizens without due process?

I bet that would prove to be interesting..... Heck, it might even make the news.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:35 | 4418432 Real Estate Geek
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Stand your ground, eh?  OK--lead on, Team D.  I surmise that there are a whole lot of indians out there just waiting for a chief.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:47 | 4418109 nodhannum
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You forgot to mention that these "candy-assed maggots" are generally folks who pay lots of taxes.  I have no fear there places will be taken by folks you approve of who are takers and not makers.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:00 | 4418159 TeamDepends
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"I have no fear there (sic) places will be taken by folks you approve of who are takers and not makers."  Wrong!  Why would you assume this?  The FSA and the socialist/progressive agenda which has enabled them is the root of the disease which is killing this country.  Also, if someone who has "paid lots of taxes" is willing to simply pull up the stakes and run like a pansy, then see ya! 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:40 | 4418438 Real Estate Geek
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Pansy, huh?  So what do you call someone who just lays there on their stomach and keeps taking it up the ass?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:43 | 4418450 TeamDepends
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Um, a gay pansy?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:47 | 4418453 Clever Name
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Your mother?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:53 | 4418607 balanced
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You asked for that one bro.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:53 | 4418993 Real Estate Geek
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I did indeed.  (I'm surprised he didn't reply "Real Estate Geek.")

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:50 | 4418464 BigJim
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Shlomo: "I don't like the way things are going, man. Shit's getting heavy. I think it may be time to move on."

Heimey: "The fuck? Don't be a candy-assed maggot, bro. Running away never solved anything. Stand your ground and fight for your rights!"

Shlomo: I dunno, man. I think a major pogrom is on its way, a real shitstorm of truly epic proportions."

Heimey (guffaws): "What are you talking about??? Pogroms??? Here? Today??? This isn't 1830s Russia! This is 1932 Munich! Relax. Have another bagel."

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:18 | 4418181 Money 4 Nothing
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Enjoy an asemetrical war with the Crown, China and Russia. Just have your Constitution in your left hand and your Jolly Roger American flag in your right. Oh... Don't forget your guns.

I'm certain they will respect your soverign rights on their land as a US Citizen,  dumb squater. You don't even know when the music stopped do you?


Everythings sold and their about to cash your wealth, body and children once they reach your address.  Can't fight for what we never owned. Crown was here setting the stage in the 1600's.


Good luck with your Revolution, I'll be cheering for you sippin a Martini watching CNN Lookin at tits on a white sands beach While your wife is blowing the PLA Chinese for a happy meal.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:24 | 4418209 TeamDepends
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Congratulations!  You are one of the 274 spineless, brain-dead zombies who watch CNN.







Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:33 | 4418240 TeamDepends
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WOW!  So those of you who junked us are not willing to fight for your freedom?????

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:43 | 4418276 TeamDepends
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Tyler, we would like to thank you for what was a great website.  It is not your fault, but what was once Fight Club has become When Big Brother Says Bend Over I Say How Low Club.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:57 | 4418476 BigJim
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'Big Brother' isn't going to bend you over. You will be bent over by one of the multitude of minions of a body politic comprising your fellow citizens who will cheerfully see you raped so they can keep getting free shit.

You think you can 'fight' an entire polity that thinks it owns you? Good luck with that; you can't win a war that's already been lost. America is dead, long live the the USSA.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:15 | 4418788 TeamDepends
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francis, you're not missing anything.  Yeah, let's hit Las Fuentes...........

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:55 | 4418321 Money 4 Nothing
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Check your Blacks Law Dictionary to understand what the bracketed words mean, or call a Lawyer friend to explain contract motion and verbage.

Means that [ ] phrase in the Constitution never existed.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:35 | 4418434 TeamDepends
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Freedom does not come from the pages of a book written by lawyers, boy.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:42 | 4418575 kchrisc
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However, the 9th. Amendment says, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

This also impinges on guns as well. The Constitution did not take away the right to guns, so you have it. That is why they always frame "gun-control" debates around the 2nd. They don't want you to know and think about the idea that you have all rights unless expressly banned in the Constitution . So people should be demanding their 9th. Amendment protections, and not their 2nd.

While I appreciate the legal argument that this "corporation" argument makes, all argument should begin and end with "The Law of the Land," the Constitution. And to be blunt, how ridiculous is the idea of arguing about capital letters, etc. when all of their power resides in one place, and one place only, your willingness to obey,


"Hang'em high, cut'em 'short."

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:48 | 4418592 Money 4 Nothing
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We haven't had a Constitution since 1933. Were  under Maritime Law, Law of Admiralty or Law of the Sea. Whatever you want ot call it, anyone says Constitutionally legal or whatever are either liars to trick you or willfully ignorant.

Proof. Majistrate courts. BAR is British Law. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:19 | 4418692 Money 4 Nothing
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Were not bickering upper or lower case, im pointng out "of" and "for" the united states.


We enforce UCC. Universal Commercial codes.






 Commerce clause is the only reason why were alllowed to buy guns.


Do your own due dilligence. We are a lawless land. They enforce code and statutes from Acts and thats it.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:18 | 4418530 RaceToTheBottom
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"We heartily encourage the candy-assed maggots who are not willing to fight for freedom to seek the nearest exit at once."

Please explain to us what you have done to carry the mantle of the "fight for freedom".  Being a fight club veteran, that should be no problem for you.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4418376 kchrisc
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Just quit paying. Just stop. Stop paying on loans, especially student loans, and taxes.

If the people just say no more and stop paying, obeying and playing along with these criminals, they'd melt away. Sure, they will take a few or our heads with them, but they are going to do that anyways which is what NDAA is all about.

Stopping is our first and best weapon against them. Just stop.


The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying , quit playing
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:28 | 4418548 uplicidlit
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@kchisc - Your comments remind me of a favorite quote:

"If the people will lead, the leaders will follow."

--- Mahatma Ghandi

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:57 | 4418477 Stuck on Zero
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Decisions, decisions.  What country to move to ...

Argentina, no

Venezuela, no

Ukraine, no

France, non

Spain, non

Syria, no

Ah heck.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:46 | 4419107 ThirdWorldDude
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6 down, 190 to go... Keep on countin'.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:44 | 4419376 Glasnost
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Norway, yes

Canada, yes

Singapore, yes


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:00 | 4418157 Money 4 Nothing
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More precisely,

Fuck THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC located on foreign soil inside the District of Columbia that's owned by the Tri star Nation, offshore bankers and Multi National Corporations. 


USA seems like it was a nice country at one time.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:14 | 4418188 Chupacabra-322
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At one time, before the Criminal 34th CONgress passed & incorporated the 10 square mile of The District of Criminals along with the 50 franchises AKA the 50 States with The Act of 1871.

Yes, one time long ago the Repubicl was free & referred to as The United States For America not the Criminal UNITED STATES.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:07 | 4418495 kchrisc
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The only articles of incorporation that I and the American people recognize is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Our corporate mission is the Declaration of Independence.

As for their tricky reincorporation, no such allowance is in the Constitution therefor it's moot.


"Tune in next week for another episode of 'Guillotine.' Will it be the pol, crat or bankster? You'll have to tune-in to find out."

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:43 | 4418531 Money 4 Nothing
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Constitution was officially suspended in 1933. We have been in a perpetual state of war since because thats how they keep their power and don't have to return back to the Constitution. That parchments a piece of shit anyway. Its a Corporation paper to enslave us by bonding us as stock, or chattel. 


Weve been in soft Martial Law ever since. Go check it out. Act of 1871.

They call them Acts post defacto because their on a stage in costume playing a roll. They aren't allowed to call them laws.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4418581 kchrisc
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What Amendment would that be?!

And regardless, their power resides only in our willingness to obey them. No obey, on pay, no play and they go away.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:03 | 4418670 Money 4 Nothing
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14th Amendment is a death trap. They used it to their advantage to bond us , then they used it as their ba 

nkruptsy filing.


Look. It's there parchment! There's 2 Constitutions,  one from 1776, one from the Act of 1871. One says for the united states. The other says OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,  INC.

They removed the organic language from the 13th Amendment of 1776 which Gaurenteed our individual rights and replaced the whole amendment in the forgery look alike.


Please tell me your aware of this? Search Trading with the Enemy Act also. That proves we lost the Constitution a long time ago, we practice commerce,  that's it.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:49 | 4417942 Quaderratic Probing
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Good old Canada, for the social medicine.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:54 | 4417954 Mr Pink
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I'm ready to leave just to get away from this damn polar vortex.

I'm freezing my ass off and I wore out my snow shovel

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:38 | 4418081 wintermute
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Blue skies forever downunder. Almost too hot to swim now.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:32 | 4418558 uplicidlit
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Ya, wintermute, me likes both AUS and NZ. I'd have no problem living in either place.

Bet it's not easy to get in though!  Concern about foreign freeloaders living off the dole and all that....


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:27 | 4418405 El Vaquero
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When I walked out to turn the compost pile, there was barely a difference between indoors and outdoors temps.  This is after it got down to 27f this morning.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:03 | 4417982 1 over Infinity
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And a business friendly Conservative government.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:26 | 4421435 Frankie Carbone
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Their middle class is much safer to reside in than ours.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:31 | 4418230 QQQBall
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So fitting that is a knock-off version of the SOM. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:37 | 4417906 Rukeysers Ghost
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We used to be a beacon of freedon to the world. Now we have become what people ran away from 20-30 years ago. Swell.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:46 | 4418281 yogibear
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Exactly. Enlisting in the military now is not fighting for freedom, your being a tool for Wall Street and the banksters. They make enormous amounts of money with wars.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:53 | 4418469 Spanky
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Always have... then or now.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:38 | 4417909 icanhasbailout
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Voluntarily turning in a green card is unheard of.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:43 | 4418277 Kirk2NCC1701
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Don't bet on it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 06:06 | 4419254 icanhasbailout
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I worked in an immigration law office for a couple of years. A green card is the holy fucking grail to anyone who isn't a US citizen but wants to be. They are more precious than diamonds to those people. Someone actually surrendering one voluntarily is a mind-blowing act of defiance.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:44 | 4417917 Oliver Jones
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Well, they're probably not going to Switzerland. :)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:44 | 4417918 fonzannoon
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those damn russians are using diversionary tactics to distract us from looking at weird toilet stalls. Those bastards and their media.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:31 | 4417974 Dr. Engali
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Well at least the Russians are offering something to make the Olympics interesting. (Don't tell my wife I followed that link). All I hear when I watch the games on teevee is western propaganda about a light in the rings that didn't work in the opening ceremony. Never mind the fact that the ceremony was pretty darn good. It's a completely different spin compared to the Beijing Olympics were the western press couldn't get their nose far enough up China's ass.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:35 | 4418067 Duke of Earl
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Don't tell mine I clicked through to the second link, too.


I endorse this nefarious russian plan.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:26 | 4418221 Meat Hammer
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Notice that none of them have store-bought plastic breasts? Maybe being fake is a purely American thing.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:38 | 4418571 Real Estate Geek
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That second link is gold, baby.  GOLD! 

(Of course, if the MSM covered that second link, it would focus on how those clueless Russians left the tags on the soles of their fuck-me pumps.)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 06:39 | 4419262 Disenchanted
Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:59 | 4418149 Renewable Life
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I totally agree!! I watched the whole thing and not only did I think it was amazing both artistically and technologically, but politically it didn't seem "sovietized" at all!!! Quit the opposite I thought!!

The worst part of the whole fucking experience was having to listen and watch our "fearless leader" drivel on for 25 minutes and flash his pearly whites, every 2 minutes, before they actually showed anything from Russia!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:32 | 4418239 Meat Hammer
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As soon as the 5th ring malfunctioned I knew we would be hearing about it after every commercial break.

"Welcome back to NBC's coverage of the Winter Olympics from Sochi, Russia. And for those of you who may have just awakened from a coma, here is yet another replay of those pinko commies' ring #5 fiasco. We should just nuke this place."

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:07 | 4418483 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It was on purpose if you understand the symbolism and the sly sense of humor the Russians tend to use.


As can be read in the Olympic Charter, the Olympic symbol represents the union of the five regions of the world and the meeting of athletes from throughout the world at the Olympic Games. However, no continent is represented by any specific ring. Prior to 1951, the official handbook stated that each color corresponded to a particular continent: blue for Europe, yellow for Asia, black for Africa, green for Australia and Oceania and red for Americas; this was removed because there was no evidence that Coubertin had intended it (the quote above was probably an afterthought).


Which one wasn't working....

And the ring that wasn't working what political ideology is commonly associated with that color...


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:04 | 4418624 tip e. canoe
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hahaha, clever, almost as clever as the Norway Spiral :)

another fun fact from the wiki:

The symbol's popularity and widespread use began during the lead-up to the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin. Carl Diem, president of the Organizing Committee of the 1936 Summer Olympics, wanted to hold a torchbearers' ceremony in the stadium at Delphi, site of the famous oracle, where the Pythian Games were also held. For this reason he ordered construction of a milestone with the Olympic rings carved in the sides, and that a torchbearer should carry the flame along with an escort of three others from there to Berlin. The ceremony was celebrated but the stone was never removed. Later, two British authors Lynn and Gray Poole when visiting Delphi in the late 1950s saw the stone and reported in their "History of the Ancient Games" that the Olympic rings design came from ancient Greece. This has become known as "Carl Diem's Stone".[6] This created a myth that the symbol had an ancient Greek origin. The rings would subsequently be featured prominently in Nazi images in 1936 as part of an effort to glorify the Third Reich.[7]


now what was that about Britain & Germany that Abe-san referred to last month?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:36 | 4418076 Ignatius
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Certainly helps in understanding the Russian point of view.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:38 | 4418083 fonzannoon
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anyone who junked me junked titties. live with that.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:43 | 4417921 statelessman
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The numbers are much higher, most of the people showing up on this list are converd expats, that is people subject to the exit tax, meaning they have a networth over $2 million or have paid over $150k in taxes for the last several years.



Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:47 | 4417934 disabledvet
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:47 | 4417926 Sudden Debt
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Mexicans going back to Mexico because they can't find a job?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:49 | 4417935 disabledvet
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:15 | 4418021 I am Jobe
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No, no one can mow thier  lawns in the USSA. Buy a big house with lawn and hire Mexicans to mow the lawn. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:24 | 4418041 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Fuck no. Mexicants are taking everything and then some. Fuck the USA let um' have it. Save up and move out of it.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:50 | 4418295 yogibear
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They can apply for government assistance. Their a general purpose number for the IRS.

So many of their kids get free breakfast, Lunch and education. Schools cannot ask any details. 

The liberals want  to flood the country with more.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:36 | 4418569 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Not the liberals. Both sides are doing it, it's all done by design by the Elites. Mexicans are the new slave class.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:47 | 4417929 Magnum
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If there is ever any question about the complete incompetence of the Obama admin just start talking about FATCA.

The relatively small number of citizenship renouncing is one thing, but FATCA forces all foreign banks to refuse having American citizens as clients. They have made it impossible for American small businesses to sell anything in a foreign country.

This one law stifles all ability for the globally-minded enttepreneur.  If you wanted to craft a law only for the purpose of destroying American competitiveness then you would be hard pressed to beat FATCA.  You might as well remove all college courses that teach international business.  If FATCA is not repealed I can not even begin to imagine the long term damage.

The author of FATCA Dick Harvey goes around the world telling people how great it is too. Everything! is upside down in the US govt.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:48 | 4417939 disabledvet
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:01 | 4417973 Dre4dwolf
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If you want to take money out of other nations and bring it into the USA it gets very expensive/almost impossible to do depending on the nation in question.


The world has increasingly become very "anti-american business", the world is trying to "cut out" the cancer that is the American economy from the world.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:50 | 4418121 DosZap
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If you want to take money out of other nations and bring it into the USA it gets very expensive/almost impossible to do depending on the nation in question.



UNLESS, your a Corporation, and a huge one.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:11 | 4418003 Babaloo
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Yeah, because we want to make it easier like rich assholes like Mitt Romney to pay no taxes. We should repeal FATCA immediately!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:20 | 4418034 Marge N Call
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You sir, are an idiot. How did the whole "Tax the rich assholes" work out for France lately?

Instead of hating him and people like him because he's richer and smarter than you, try to figure out how to create something of value and make the whole society and economy better.

Or just go back to Huffington Post.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:37 | 4418071 dogmete
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What the hell has Mitt Romney ever created?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:51 | 4418726 Marge N Call
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Return on Investment shithead.

Jobs. Wealth.

And you?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:35 | 4422649 Frankie Carbone
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Work hard, play fair, keep your nose clean and persevere, right? You too can be a bazillionaire and follow the American Dream. Is that it?

Do you really believe that shit? Honestly, do you? Cause' I'm about ready to burst out laughing. Just sayin'...

BTW. The Keating Five produced a high ROI too, So, what's the point?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:25 | 4418047 Magnum
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FATCA was written so poorly with such complete lack of understanding the outcome. You must not be so dense. Rich buggers won't be effected nearly as much as the successful honest hardworking American good guy. He is screwed. If one seeks to prevent money sheltered in overseas tax havens, you don't write a law that forces every bank around the world from banning US clients!! That would be lime walking out to the garden you just spent a lifetime growing, and burning the whole thing to the ground because a few mites were damaging a single radish.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:05 | 4418168 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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If you were trying to destroy a whole country from the inside out then it makes perfect sense.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:01 | 4418344 Kirk2NCC1701
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Imagine you're in this (not uncommon) scenario:

You live in the US lawfully, work, pay taxes, etc, but...

Your non-US parents who live abroad, have died and left you their assets/estate. Given that you are a "US Subject", the IRS will now demand that you not only declare said assets/estate, but that you will be taxed on their lifetime (or multi-generational) wealth.

Furthermore, anyone who learns of your assets (wealth?) now has Motive, Means and Opportunity to get a piece of that pie... by suing you for whatever reason. Including/especially your Ex.

How would YOU feel about having said family assets/wealth becoming part of Tax Americana? Would you just bend over and say "fuck me!", or get indignant and say "fuck you!"?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:37 | 4418252 Meat Hammer
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That'll do, Donkey.

That'll do.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:49 | 4417936 Dre4dwolf
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If you have a billion dollars off-shore, what makes more sense? to hand it over to a government that will squander it on useless shit? or to leave the country and live like a king in a country that doesn't nickle and dime you to death?

The United States does not have anything "special" in terms of living standards anymore, there are plenty of nicer nations that give you a lot more economic freedom.... a lot of countries are 10 years ahead of the U.S. in city development (IE: bullet trains, mono-rails, improved mass transport systems etc..... better quality of life for the average citizen, lower unemployment, better prospects)..


The only remaining reason to stay in the United States is nostalgia, people develop emotional ties to localities that keep them grounded preventing growth and evolution of the self.


Iceland looks good, new anti-banker constitution and more sound currency , more free market, and such, the grass does indeed look greener in a lot of places.....

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:00 | 4417968 Dre4dwolf
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I never quite understood the fascination with diamonds, they are not all that scarce, and we can make them in a lab now for pennies.

Diamonds are just of the most abundant elements in the universe.


The diamonds used for industrial application are dirt cheap, so the argument that they are needed for industry and thus are valuable is somewhat meh since diamonds of those "grades" are soo abundant.


IMO You have three investment choices.

1) Hoard Dollars and wait for hyper deflation, buy assets (land, businesses, whatever)

2) Buy bitcoins and hope that when the economy self-destructs people adopt it as a replacement.

3) Buy gold and hope the deflation doesn't devalue it too badly.

4) Move to a country where the economy isn't a complete pyramid scheme designed to bleed the 89% segment of the population.


Buying stocks is DOA, no way you are going to make money holding anything long.

Shorting stocks looks attractive, but you are essentially shorting stocks simply by hoarding dollars.

Bank deposits are essentially pointless and offer no return, and ontop of that bank instability (that hasn't gone away) might cause your deposits to vaporize at a moments notice.



Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:15 | 4418011 Rentier88
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why diamonds on traded on commodity market, they really have no value.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:44 | 4418098 NoDebt
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I could never figure out diamonds either.  I'm guessing it's a matter of $/pound.  Sure, they're not worth what the local jewelry store will charge you, but you can still carry $50K worth a lot easier than other, bulkier things.

The downside... they're made out of carbon, a VERY abundant element.  The news they can be made in a lab, which I had never heard that before, doesn't surprise me all that much.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:53 | 4418135 DosZap
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DeBeers controls the WORLD pricing on diamonds, as for this.


The downside... they're made out of carbon, a VERY abundant element.  The news they can be made in a lab, which I had never heard that before, doesn't surprise me all that much.

They can be made in a lab SO PERFECT that no real diamonds like them exist.And it takes a VERY experienced jeweler to be able to spot them.The key is make them LESS than perfect,but still rated with the top grades.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:52 | 4418310 RafterManFMJ
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Google the new diamond age wired magazine

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:51 | 4418603 Money 4 Nothing
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Buy diamonds here so you can leave the country with your concentrated asset.. Gold and Silver stay. Buy it when you get to where your going.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:05 | 4417987 Magnum
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On the other hand if you have a good mind for business and a fine American-made product to sell, just FORGET about trying to expand overseas.  FATCA makes it impossible to even open a bank account (excuse me but this is the first step in establishing your presence in a foreign market).  

Whining about the 3000 people who turned in their passport is missing the larger point.  FATCA dooms small American business.  

I tried launching a little deal in Europe about two years ago and every third word that came out of the mouth of neighborhood banking centers was FATCA FATCA FATCA.  It was new at the time so I gave my plans a rest knowing that there was no way this law would actually be implemented.  Well here we are and I hear no good news. FATCA is moving forward.  

If you are from anywhere, hell you can be from Cambodia then every country welcomes you to do business.  American? No. Only we can not do business overseas now. Only 1 country could create such a stupid and stifling law. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:49 | 4417937 August
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>>>People who expatriate also can be subject to exit tax.

More importantly, people who expatriate will lose all the constitutionally-guaranteed protections which apply to US citizens.



Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:03 | 4418349 ncdirtdigger
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More importantly, people who expatriate will lose all the constitutionally-guaranteed protections which apply to US citizens.

Does this mean I lose my right to NSA supervision?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:52 | 4417943 Chupacabra-322
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Yup, looks like finally the US CITIZEN, CORP. Slaves are beginning to get hip to the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP.

The Private Corp UNITED STATES, CORP uses the cover of being a functional Government when in reality they are not. Much like the Criminal Federal Reserve uses The "Federal" in their name & use it as cover to give the illusion that they are a branch of the US Government when they are not.

Through bankruptcies, Criminal Contract Fraud & deceit the Charlatans have incrementally incorporated the US as well as your souls (birth cert) which are securitized via the Criminal Federal Reserve through to the IMF.

They're functioning off corporate version of the THE CONSTITUTION. It's the reason why The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate continues to lie, cheat, deceit, rape & pillage with impunity.

The only power the have over you is with CONSENT (Black Law's Dictionary). Pay no Taxes. Peaceful Non-Participation, Non-Compliance & being an accessory into their Criminal system/s based on Criminal Fraud, Debt Bondage & Enslavement.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:57 | 4417964 Cannon Fodder
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I don't quite understand, consent or not, if you don't pay your taxes, they have the guns and jails - you will lose...


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:38 | 4418077 Chupacabra-322
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In other words,

Do all the crying, bitching & moaning you want or need over what ever the Criminal Fraud CONgress, DOJ, CIA, DHS, NSA CEO (President)etc.. You feel violates you or feel steal always your wealth & property.

Doesn't matter. Why? Because you continue to debate them on their terms & Criminal (Contract Fraud) Grounds by Contracting with the Criminals (State) in the fist place & being an accessory to the Criminal Fraud.
So, in essence, you have absolutely NO choice, voice or whatever in the matter.

Accept it, change your mindset & peaceful Non-Compliance, Non-Participation into The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate system/s of Usary Debt Bondage & Enslavement.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:42 | 4418091 Cannon Fodder
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But non-compliance when it comes to paying taxes = jail.... that is my point... so how does one do that without giving up everything?

Again, whether you consent or not, comply or not, they make the rules and they have the guns to back it up...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:36 | 4418165 Chupacabra-322
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THE UNITED STATES, CORP are Criminally Defraudimg in mass The American people by using the cover of being a Federal Government for the people and by the people when they are not. They're a Corp. posing as a Govenment.

Federal Reserve = Not a branch of the Federal Government. A private Criminal Corp.

UNITED STATES = Not a Federal Govenment. It's a private Chartered Corp.

The criminals are deceiving & Criminally Defraudimg The American People by making it seem as though they are a functional government when they are not.


American Citizen = Freedom

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:41 | 4418263 Meat Hammer
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I wonder what the over/under was among the Founders on how long their republic would last.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:14 | 4418364 Money 4 Nothing
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135 years. Right on the money. Most govt in the past are lucky to see that.


RIP ole girl, done my family of immigrants proud. Now we have to leave in hopes of the persuit of a better life in another Crown owned Nation that you so graciously provided us. Thanks. Going to miss you.



1913-present = Defacto off shore Criminal rule.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 11:53 | 4419927 StandardDeviant
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Based on this quote, I'm guessing Benjamin Franklin would have hedged his bets.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:53 | 4417949 Winston Churchill
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Land of the Fee, and home of the (tax)Slaves.

That wall on the southern border is to keep you in.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:51 | 4417951 _ConanTheLibert...
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Still only ~1 in 1000

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:04 | 4417956 Dr. Engali
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Yeah that should tell you something.... The people leaving are the only people who can afford it. The smart money always gets out before shit hits the fan.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:24 | 4419089 resurger
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word doc

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:01 | 4422724 Leraconteur
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...or had the sense to be mobile and unencumbered and thus a small, mobile, independent, intelligent, unit on the drive to 2008 and the incline to 2023.

Many of the expats are not loaded with the 1.3million CHF/CAD/EUR/GBP required to buy residency in the locations of high repute. They are mostly middle class and lower middle class men who had enough and left. The ones with the money are in that list from Treasury.

It's the 99% that are not on that list that concerns TPTB...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:26 | 4418050 Marge N Call
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Yep, but my guess is that very few of them are unemployed people on foodstamps, or government employees, or DC critters, i.e. they are mostly productive. I'd like to see their annual IRS bill and net worth vs the avg US citizen.

Again, my guess would be that in those terms, their contribution is much greater than .1%.

Just a guess...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:01 | 4418155 nodhannum
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And your guess would be correct.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 12:46 | 4420113 Martian Moon
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add two zeroes to that, 1 per 100000

it's not the fact that three thousands Americans out of three hundred million are calling it quits

it's the fact that any should be leaving at all that shocks, when for a hundred years millions around the world struggled to come by any means possible

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:53 | 4417955 29.5 hours
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No sympathy with quitters. The most critical battles for the future of the world will be fought out in the United States. This is the place to be.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:21 | 4418035 Midas
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100% of my ancestors "quit" their homelands for more opportunity and a better life in North America.  I think they all made the right decision, except for the Swiss ancestors.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:29 | 4418419 Leaf of Tree
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I wonder what the grandsons of the native Americans think about your grandparents?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:22 | 4418806 Johnny Cocknballs
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You're purportedly Hungarian.

Guess how that happened, fuck stick - a bunch of brutes murdering a far more civilized, settled group of people.

So far as I know, my own ancestors didn't kill any injuns and came here legally, which I reckon frees me up to invite you to go right ahead and fuck yourself, you obtuse Magyar twat.

Please n' thanks.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:57 | 4422706 Leraconteur
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Well Mr. Obtuse Cocknballs Twat - I have about a million times more cred to post what you just posted, and I wouldn't and I don't.

Why don't you leave the moral outrage to someone whose ancestors not only arrived with the first settlers in the early 1600's but also has Trail of Tears in my genes and family tree. My ancestors have both sides of your pathetic 'argument'.

How did the murderous settles (sic) and victimised Injuns (sic) resolve it?

THEY MARRIED each other and merged the two sides into the familly lineage and made both sides AMERICAN.

From my perspective you are an ignorant newcomer to North America. 

Post when your family has been in North America for at least 384 years (12,900 years is an unrealistic standard to demand you to meet on such short notice), then your ignorant rantings may lose some of their ignorance. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:45 | 4422676 Leraconteur
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I am a G-Grandson of a Native American and I think the poster's Grandparents did what my Mom's family did. Moved to North America from Asia or Europe.

If my G-Great Grandmother, 100% Cherokee, were alive I would ask her what she thought of her GGson-in-law's side of the family.

Mom's side: In North America for 12,900 years.

Dad's side: In North America since 1630. 

My appearance to idiots like you? White European American.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:23 | 4419296 Leraconteur
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Every.Single.Person.Living.In.The.USA - all residents and citizens - fled, quit, left, ran from, another place to move to the USA including the Natives who fled Eurasia 12,900 Years ago.

That's what being 'American' MEANS - to quit the lame place back home. It's a nation of quitters who quit 'the old country'.

Europe? England? Russia? It's not all that great and that's why people left there to move to the USA.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:56 | 4417958 Cannon Fodder
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What would happen if someone renounced their citizenship from within the USA? seriously, if one just renounced it without actually leaving.... They are no longer a citizen, yet they couldn't be deported to any particular country...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:05 | 4417980 statelessman
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You can't renounce your U.S. citizenship within the borders of the U.S., you must do it a U.S. consulate in a foreign country.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:27 | 4418547 Real Estate Geek
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Just swing by Mohegan Sun next weekend and do it there!


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:25 | 4418810 Johnny Cocknballs
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You can also do it by holding it in your hands, while reciting the Hail Mary backwards going down a flight of wooden stairs.


...  or summon demons, I forget which at this juncture, to be quite honest.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:00 | 4418150 nodhannum
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A great idea!  Then would become sort of an "illegal", oh I meant undocumented, and could become a moocher in the free shit army.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:06 | 4418358 ncdirtdigger
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Makes me think of the episode of The Office where the guys starts yelling "I declare bankruptcy, I declare bankruptcy" as if that is all there was to it.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 17:56 | 4417959 kurt
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God forbid they pay their fair share. See ya wouldn't want to be ya. Sure hope you don't get swept up by some petty official or military goon. Hate to see you embroiled in some local foreigner hate rage event. Wouldn't want to see you beat down and kicked savagely in the testicals. I pay over 30% of my rapidly depleating income and you mewling shits run off to some temporary spider hole. Good luck buh bye.

IRS: go after them. Get 'em for back taxes.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:17 | 4418025 TrustWho
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"Fair Share" should be eliminated from the language. I think people should go after political hacks who get wealthy through their government obligations to the people, and wealth created by private market monopolies granted by these political hacks and partisan journalist who grant cover to the cronist.

Prior to 1913, there was NO income tax and the country thrived.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:23 | 4418403 Blood Spattered...
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As long as we continue fighting internationally recognized illegal wars, income tax = blood money.  Most of Sheople Nation has no idea where their tax dollars go, and that's a very big problem. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:24 | 4418038 Mr Pink
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It's idiots like you that got us into this mess. Stupid fucking IRS dick sucker

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:23 | 4418042 Midas
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Kurt-- someone has hacked your bookmarks.  You need to change your homepage back:

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:32 | 4418829 Johnny Cocknballs
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Kos means "book burner" in Attic Greek, does it not?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:30 | 4418054 kurt
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kiss my ass!

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