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WaPo Praises The Joy Of Being "Untethered" And "Unleashed" From A Job, The "Freedom" Of Unemployment

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Now that the full court press to refute the findings of the CBO report which, as we reported, confirmed what was largely known - that as a result of Obamacare, the strapped US economy will have even fewer workers as millions will fall back on welfare state entitlements which make hard work obsolete - has failed, it is time for the propaganda to take a different track: one where not having a job, and in fact losing it due to Obamacare, is hailed as an act of nobility. Sure enough, here comes one of the administration's favorites, the Bezos Times, with "They quit their jobs, thanks to health-care law" which does largely as its name suggests: highlights just how "enabling" and "liberating" Obamacare is for one's life, once a person is no longer burdened by something as trivial as a job.

No, we aren't kidding:

Count Polly Lower among those who quit their jobs because of the health-care law.


It happened in September, when her boss abruptly changed her job description. She went from doing payroll, which she liked, to working on her boss’s schedule, which she loathed. At another time, she might have had to grit her teeth and accept the new position because she needed the health benefits.


But with the health-care law soon to take effect, she simply resigned — and hasn’t looked back.


It was wonderful. It was very freeing,” said Lower, 56, of Bourbon, Ind., who is now babysitting her 5-year-old granddaughter full time. With the help of federal subsidies that kicked in Jan. 1, she is paying less than $500 a month for health coverage for herself and her husband.

One really can't make this up - it appears that in America's creeping transition to a socialist paradise, the new American dream is living on "Federal subsidies" (paid for by taxpayers) and government welfare. It gets better:

The White House and its allies argue that the government has a role in addressing a failure of the health-insurance market: the high prices and coverage restrictions that have kept health coverage out of reach for so many people. Like Social Security, which provides a safety net so people can retire, the health law may have the effect of leading some Americans to stop working, they say. But they called the impact positive, arguing that people have for too long been stuck in jobs that are a poor fit or that they dislike, simply for the benefits. While some people may make the calculation to just work less to keep more generous benefits, many will use their time to do something more productive, such as start their own business or take care of family members, advocates of the new law say.


“What the White House wants you to think is, if a person chooses to make less income, they must be doing something that makes them better off,” said former Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, now president of the American Action Forum, a conservative policy group. “What conservatives would have you ask is, is it an appropriate use of someone else’s money to put you in that position to choose?”


The CBO acknowledged that there could be some positive economic impacts from unleashing people from their jobs but concluded that there was no good way to quantify that, and therefore left the number out.

Incidentally, "unleashing people from their jobs" may be the punchline of 2014. And why not, everything else is rapidly going to bizarro socialist hell. Actually, here is another punchline candidate: "tethered to a job":

Lower acknowledged that it has been harder to make ends meet without a steady paycheck. But she said there is no way to quantify the peace of mind she feels, now that she isn’t tethered to a job she hates and can help her daughter, a single mother who works full time, with child care.


Lower expected to miss her job. “It was definitely a scary move to make,” she said. “I’m a person who likes routine, and there definitely was an adjustment period.” 


But upon reflection, she said, “I’ve adjusted well.”

We hate to break it to you, but "adjusting" to living on the welfare of others, while being untethered, and unleashed from the tyranny of working (hard) and paying taxes is not exactly training for the Ironman Triathlon. Also, the final outcome when the entire population becomes untethered and unleashed is rather unpleasant - just see every socialist paradise in history.

However, what is becoming clear is that slowly but surely, the entire process of labor and being employed is increasingly cast in a negative light: something which is not exactly surprising. At least not to our readers, because, sadly, we were once again just over a year ahead of the prevailing sentiment when, in November of 2012, we wrote "When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America's Welfare State" when we said that "for increasingly more it is now more lucrative - in the form of actual disposable income - to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work. This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantified, and explained by Alexander, "the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045." That was then. Now we can add Obamacare... which will further help America's now almost extinct middle class get even more untethered and unleashed.

Of course, it is up to the likes of the Bezos Washington Post to make it appear that this is all not only perfectly normal, but noble and dignified.

Alas, as smarter people than us have pointed out, being untethered and unleashed only works as long as the system has other people's money to distribute to those who chose not to work and pay taxes. Once said money runs out , complete social collapse and revolution usually follows.


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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:38 | 4418075 rtalcott
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'effing a@@holes...worthless unproductive suckers of resources...

so there is no confusion I am referring to the a@@holes @ the WaPo

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:40 | 4418092 BlackChicken
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I don't know what's worse, the complete lack of leadership or the people that put up with it. This is becoming a sick joke.

When the sell-off resumes perhaps wapo will enlighten us as to how liberating being broke is. Whores...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:44 | 4418107 Fedaykinx
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now i can finally get the degree in women's studies that i never wanted or learn some useless craft that nobody would ever pay real money for.  maybe both, if i'm really super duper double plus lucky.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:12 | 4418182 Shocker
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We know the Job Situation is not great -


But really, just taking handouts and doing nothing is sad.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:13 | 4418184 Carl Popper
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Sad for those of us who are still trying to do the right thing

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:16 | 4418192 knukles
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Problem is not that some people write this tripe.

Problem is some people believe it.
And some even conclude they're entitled to it.

Dumbfounding and depressing.



I know a chap who lives off of disability, 100%.
federal and state of CA
Fucker just got a second car.
Now has a Mini and a Jag
And lives in a Very Nice Complex subsidized (almost free) by state and federal subsidies, in a 3 BR condo.

On our dime.

'Nuff is E-Nuff

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:28 | 4418217 Looney
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Bezos should be on the List to be Robespierred for his .GOV activities.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:29 | 4418231 Clint Liquor
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The central planners have just handed you a turd and said 'it's chocolate, enjoy"

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:37 | 4418241 Supernova Born
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The corporatist devils are trying to out evil each other.

Microsoft's "anti-trust" problems disappear with NSA cooperation.

Amazon goes full retard propaganda from the Wash Post.

Coke sells globalism, diabeetus and left wing propaganda to calm political pressure on their products.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:38 | 4418258 kaiserhoff
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Seems like Bezos has been untethered for a while now.

Maybe his losses on the WaPo will off set his losses on Amazon. 

The new math in the New Normal.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:42 | 4418269 Looney
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... Maybe his losses on the WaPo will off set his losses on Amazon.

ATTABOY, Kaserhoff! +978!!!


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:02 | 4418339 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"now i can finally get the degree in women's studies that i never wanted"

Hey, when I quit my job, I am going to use my Womens Studies degree to its fullest potential!! 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:07 | 4418362 kaiserhoff
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Black History and Women's Studies...,

  Making Phys Ed and Leisure Studies almost respectable.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:29 | 4418392 Indian_Goldsmith
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Reading the comments on that WaPo page is the most fun i've had today!

Seriously the extent to which Fat Ass Lazy Americans feel themselves entitled to every luxury in the world! LOL

An example:


I just love this. I have to continue to work to pay my taxes to subsidize people who aren't happy in their jobs. 
Thanks Obama...


The problem for Democrats will be winching the subsidized off their couches to get them to the polls to sustain the subsidies in the face of outrage from those providing the subsidies


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:02 | 4418487 philipat
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Even Goebels wouldn't have had the chutzpah to try this one!!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:16 | 4419148 Indian_Goldsmith
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the new "black" goebels? Americans-Work-Too-Much-Anyway

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:32 | 4419305 clooney_art
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Hey, if CEOs and select officers of a corporation can make 440% of an average worker's pay and somehow that can be justified, this too can be justified and become part of our society.

All of this boils down to ones acceptance threshold.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:40 | 4419311 Acet
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It's not 440%, its 440 TIMES or 44000%

This fish is rotting both from the head down and from the tail up.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:53 | 4419318 GetZeeGold
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Arbeit macht frei - 1940



Obamacare will set you free - 2014

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:04 | 4418354 Anusocracy
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It's time to be untethered and unleashed from government and its minions.

There isn't a form of government that is a benefit to society.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:28 | 4418409 logicalman
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Government is the problem.

Not much point looking to government to solve said problem.

Society is a difficult concept to get a handle on, so it's hard to define 'what benefits society' and then there's the question of individuality and how individuals form society.

For me, the only reasonable solution is anarchism. Everyone can do whatever they want, as long as the are not damaging anyone else deliberately or negligently.

Elites will only ever look after their own - no solutions there.



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:27 | 4419081 Canoe Driver
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+1000. Government is, unfortunately, the essence of these problems. And this is always the last realization for the masses. (Cf. the French Revolution)

Governments, and the people that constitute governments, purport to be able to do something of which they are fundamentally incapable: to act altruistically.  They are always acting grossly in their own interests, for which we can also blame the near-universal cultural defect under which any theft or fraud is justified, in the individual mind, if he/she "did it for my children." Government officials are rarely without this justification. When they are, the greed is often worse.

No form of government, democratic, capitalist, socialist, communist, etc., has ever succeeded over these defects in human nature.

Read Noam Chomsky.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 09:19 | 4419439 Sean7k
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We need to form social structures that eliminate the concept of law. It is law that empowers the state and enslaves the people. It is law that enforces fiat currency usuage. It is law that allows for the distribution of "justice" to the .01%. It is law that defends the corporation. 

People can make their own agreements without someone else telling them how or else. Law is the tool of the Levites and their descendants, it was their gift from lucifer. See how it destroys and enslaves.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:20 | 4422771 Anusocracy
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Very true, we are getting ever closer to becoming dead-enders.

A favorite read:

Gateway to an Altered Landscape: Law in a Free Nation by Richard O. Hammer

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:35 | 4418242 fonestar
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WaPo journalists need to be untethered from their heads.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:40 | 4418270 Indian_Goldsmith
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I just had an idea.. All these liberals should resign from their "benefits providing" government jobs, including the TopMan, and live off the socialist utopian "welfare" benefits.

Seriously! Why work, eh libtards?


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:11 | 4418368 Anusocracy
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Why would liberals want to work? How many hours a day do their cultural ancestors, the hunter-gatherers, work?

One maybe?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:34 | 4418687 wee-weed up
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WaPo needs to wipe the Obama brown stuff off it's nose!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:14 | 4418925 fockewulf190
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They all need to quit their jobs and go over to Blogspot where they can all be free, writing for free, living off the 17 cents per day from accidental ad clicks, and only pay $500 per month for Obamacare.

Happy happy joy joy!!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:29 | 4418220 Indian_Goldsmith
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Bloody Hell! I sometimes thank our good fortune that a vast population of india is illiterate and without access to electricity. This way they dont get exposed to this toxic dribble.

Wonder what gigantic shithole our country will become if all the farmers stopped working hard.... Holy fuck!!!!!!

It seems the only kind of hard work these asshole libtards believe in is indiscriminate sex.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:34 | 4418247 knukles
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That's the whole reason that the Federalies feel the need to provide High Speed Internet Access to every last man, woman, child and slacker in the world.



Sit up straight and eat your peas, peasant!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:50 | 4418291 Looney
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Zacktly! Ding-Ding-Ding! Yatsi!  ;-)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:45 | 4418720 chunga
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And how, all of a sudden, is having "health insurance" for only 500/month some awesome panacea?

We've had this through employers (Blue Cross/Blue Shield/Delta Denta) for decades and every single time we need some type of medical care there seems to be a fairly substantial out of pocket cost. Just one more thing I don't understand.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:03 | 4418898 Meat Hammer
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When I hear this nonsense I can't help but think back to the 2008 Obama campaign and wonder what the response to "I'm going to make hard work a ridiculous notion" would be.  Now people are cheering it.  

My, how far we have fallen in 60 short months.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 01:03 | 4419011 HurricaneSeason
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I'd rather see her be able to get healthcare than see a $100k a year self employed janitor sweeping the courthouse through affirmative action. We haven't even scratched the surface yet.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:17 | 4418523 Shad_ow
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Obama says I am now free of the job that keeps me from being home to tuck my child into bed.

My questions is "who is going to pay for the ****ing bed and the place to put it?"

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:31 | 4419096 Canoe Driver
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There are people who can make it on a spouse's income, without government assistance, and would like to be home with their kids, but choose not to, because they need the health coverage which comes with their job. People should consider whether, overall, our society was not in error to promote two-income households in the first instance.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 01:45 | 4419047 EscapingProgress
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We have entered a new era. We no longer need to produce. We only need more FRNs.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:14 | 4418195 Xibalba
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Perhaps there is veiled truth in this.  The predatory capitalists greatest enemy is the self educated man walking around with his eyes wide open.  

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:42 | 4418268 economics9698
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"Perhaps there is veiled truth in this.  The predatory central bankers greatest enemy is the self educated man walking around with his eyes wide open."

Fixed it. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:21 | 4419344 GetZeeGold
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ALL wars are bankers wars.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:54 | 4419320 barroter
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Sure. There's nothing better than having an employee who is desperate if you're a "producer." The last thing they want is any employee with choices. I know of several people who finally quit or changed jobs with the advent of ACA.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:03 | 4418625 samsara
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Playing by the rules in a crooked game is Insane.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:53 | 4419116 Johnny Cocknballs
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Krugman's dispatch last week towed this line.  His acolytes praised The One and blamed all of humanity's woes on the eee-vil Tea Party.  Par for the course, I suppose.

I'm amazed I still experience amazement.  Sure, the GOP's sound bites were misleading re the report, but Krugman fully backed up the idea that people would merely be "choosing" to work less, throwing in a line or two about how a reduction in overall hours isnt all good.

Nothing about full time workers essentially having to further subsidize yet more people.


Hoping to see more "cash grab for the insurers" articles here at ZH, as it seems obvious this would be the intent.  I initially looked at it mostly as a power grab by the fedgov, the Roberts' decision, which was the logical equivalent of a mugging, really has expanded federal power far more than, I think, most people really understand.


But the cash grab part...  I mean, since insurers are large corporations, and the Left thinks corporations are evil [to the point of supporting laws fining and jailing people organized into LLCs to make shitty documentaries] - perhaps the corporate cash grab angle will wake even some of those state-worshipping fuckers up a bit.


You can always hope.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 07:51 | 4419319 SAT 800
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Lowering the voting age to 18; was sooo helpful. Raise it to 45 and see how many Obamas you get.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:44 | 4418445 scrappy
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Why don't the rest of us unteather from their bs system?

If we build a Grand Jury, the people will come.

Join us.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:53 | 4418732 Pure Evil
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People don't want a Grand Jury.

They want to see bloody heads rolling in the streets!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:43 | 4418855 Paveway IV
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Hmmm.... suddenly remembered that weird head-chopper machine in Caligula. Thanks for the nightmarish image, Pure Evil. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:24 | 4418944 El Vaquero
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Only some of the people, my evil friend.  Only some of the people.  The rest want to feel safe and think that it's OK to have cops busting into their houses with M16s pointed in their faces because it makes them safer, or they want to eat TV dinners and watch dancing with the stars, or they want their motherfucking EBT. 


Me?  I want March to come around so I can get to planting some spring crops.  I want April to come around so that I can get to planting a bunch of other stuff.  I want June to come around so that I can plant various cucurbits.  But barring that, I may have to build a guillotine.  I'll put a hitch and an axle on it, and it'll roll. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:39 | 4418261 Raging Debate
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Ya - Being broke is going to be sooooo awsome! Think of the things we can all do! An old song comes to mind:

"Counting flowers on the wall that don't bother me at all. Playing solitaire till dawn with a deck of 51. Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo now dont tell me... I got nothing to do!"

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:54 | 4418319 BraveSirRobin
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If you like your job, you can keep your job. No one will ever tak ethat away from you... period!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:59 | 4418330 kaiserhoff
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I've been thinking about that fool on the hill, watching the world spinning around.

Seems like my life history and job description, all rolled up into a shit sandwich.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:03 | 4418398 James
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Cheer up, Kaiserhoff. That song you referenced, "Fool on the hill" is actually about the percieved "Fool" who was mocked by society for his beliefs and was proven right by the passing of time, leaving those that mocked him the true "Fool".

That is the message sent through lyrics.

For instance, the "Thousand voices" were that mans thousand statements.

The eyes in his head sees the world spinning 'round means the "Fool" could'nt believe that others could'nt see what was plainly in front of them.


Day after day

alone on a hill

the man with a thousand voices keeping perfectly still

nobody listens to him

they can tell that he's just a fool

they don't like him

but the fool on the hill

sees the sun going down

and the eyes in his head see the world spinning 'round.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:54 | 4418733 Pool Shark
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"It's an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was the most intelligent species occupying the planet, instead of the third most intelligent. The second most intelligent creatures were, of course, Dolphins, who, curiously enough, had long known of the impending destruction of Earth. You see, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons." -Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:20 | 4419153 OldPhart
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:14 | 4418373 Groundhog Day
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all you really need is weed, munchies food and family guy....keep you entertained for hours

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:42 | 4418440 RafterManFMJ
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I hail this woman as a visionary, a rebel and a patriot.

If everyone of us did same tomorrow, this shit show would end overnight.

You think you're some Hero because you 'do what's right?' Nope, you're a fool giving your time, your life to corrupt overseers in a rigged game...while they leech off you to import more tax leeches and socialist voters...

Can't tell the hero from the chump, can you?

Keep pullin' that wagon, telling yourselves how Nobel you are...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:56 | 4418742 Pool Shark
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Who is John Galt



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:45 | 4419366 Drifter
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Chumps is right.  Justifying their slavery thinking they're "doing what's right".

1776 revolution was triggered by 2% tax.    Now you slaves give 50% - 70% of your earnings to the govt, watch your wives and daughters get felt up by govt goons at airports, and all you do is bitch about it.

Guilliotines?   Forget it.   Revolution?   Forget it.  Just talk, never gonna happen.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:43 | 4418095 ncdirtdigger
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yeah, what he said ^^^^

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:07 | 4418172 El Oregonian
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Boy, my solution is to untether their safety harnesses and let them have the freedom to freefall to the bottom of the ravine.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:26 | 4418218 ebworthen
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"'effing a@@holes...worthless unproductive suckers of resources..."

I was sure you were referring to Wall Street and .gov; not the little people following their example.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4418616 samsara
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Exactly, I'd like to see more condemnation of .Gov getting free health care for life while being a millionaire and the multi-million dollar bonus wallstreet pukes living in the hamptons than the poor workings smucks trying to struggle with their family's Dr bills.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 01:10 | 4419014 ebworthen
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Who was bailed out for rigging Libor rates, taking mortgage payments and gambling with them using deriviatives and swaps at 30X leverage, bribing CONgress, raping the 4th Amendment, stealing homes and the rights of Bond holders, then passing onerous mandated legislation that increases the costs and reduces the quality of healthcare while enriching insurance companies, etc., etc., etc.???


Why should I work to support this Ponzi?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:02 | 4419329 barroter
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True. NEVER point a finger at the "producers" for being scumbags. One thing these bastards NEED is gov't., since it's bailed them out time and again with TARP, various QEs and god knows what else. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:28 | 4418225 williambanzai7
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Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:30 | 4418233 knukles
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William, you misspelled "Dorktor"



Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:52 | 4418308 kaiserhoff
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Barry makes that poon-hound Clinton seem almost normal.

As they said in Arkansas, he was a hard dog to keep on the porch.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:09 | 4418915 the grateful un...
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i suppose there is an honorary Oscar to go with the pre-emptive Nobel

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:25 | 4418942 Son of Captain Nemo
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For some reason "somewhere my love there will be songs to sing"... doesn't come to mind at all when I see this poster!

At least we got a good belly laugh out of it!

Thanks again

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:46 | 4418287 NYPoke
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Was going to go with douchebags, but I can go with this as well.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:08 | 4418332 myne
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Look... I know this is going to be hated hardcore on here, but here's the truth - there are always stories of people doing silly thing for silly reasons. Obamacare may not be the universal healthcare that the rest of the world has, but after a few evolutions, it should be close.

We manage quite well in Australia - as do your northern neighbours. We spend about half the amount you do and still have a higher life expectancy. America is doing it wrong. That much is clear. Obamacare may not be right, but it's a step in the right direction.

Hang in there, America. In 10 years you'll have medicare for all with any political guts. Imagine not feeling the boot of your jobs healthcare expiry on your neck. You'll actually be a bit more free - and yes, some people will do silly things for silly reasons, but you're not going to see your average middle worker chosing whether to reattach a sliced thumb. You won't see medical bankruptcies.

You'll just go to the doctor, and it will be sorted out.

I firmly believe that socialism and capitalism are like Yin and Yang.

Socialism lacks motivation and devolves into, usually food crisises long before the lack of technological advancement really becomes apparent. 

Capitalism will happily burn down the world's last tree and poison every inch of this planet if there was a profit involved. Just look at the Rhino's and Elephant ivory market or the first world oil producers behaviour in third world countries if you want proof.

Both are, in their extreme, incredibly unhealthy for the long term survival of people - which is why we have systems in the first place - theoretically to serve the people.

Just as we accept that all militaries are necessarily a facist dictatorship internally, socialism is in my opinion, quite acceptable in some select sectors of the economy. Healthcare is the prime example of this. I don't want the local 711 run by socialists, but I also don't want my doctors checking my bank balance before they help me. Yin and Yang.

Obviously it needs to work within the capitalist framework, and it should be designed to fit by people with great insight and preferably not rushed into service like Obamacare has been. But that's more of a reflection of the US political system right now. It's so divided that parties have to rush things - and more often than not they have to sacrifice key elements at the alter of negotiation in order to achieve a political partial victory. The victory of Obamacare is hardly a victory any more because it does not function as designed. The simplest method for implementing it would not have been to build an entirely new system, but to extend elligability to medicare at both age ends until they met in the middle.

It's sad. True universal care would have been good for America. It would have saved a fortune in money and more importantly: lifespans.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:17 | 4418386 Laughing Stock
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Well said

Here, Here!

At least someone "gets it"

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:01 | 4418484 myne
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I am somewhat encouraged by the fact there are at least a few green arrows amoungst the red :)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:13 | 4418515 scrappy
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Barf - burp.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 06:49 | 4419273 PhilofOz
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Agree fully on this. Incredible the downvotes do reveal so many blinded by their own ideology on this issue. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:32 | 4418422 nmewn
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Can you opt out in Australia or do they stick a gun in your face and force you into it like here now?

Also, you left out those well known "capitalist chinese" killing off tigers left & right (for purely medicinal purposes, of course) and Bangladesh & Haiti burning every tree in sight in your reach around against "capitalists".

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 20:55 | 4418472 myne
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Can you opt out of the Military Industrial Complex over there?

Here, it's part of your taxes. I pay around 20% of my income in tax - and that's on an income that's a little above the average (according to the ABS). Then there's a 10% sales tax (GST) and that's about it - aside from the "sin" taxes for booze and cigs.

So, shall we say about 35% once all's said and done.

For that, I can walk into a hospital on a Sunday night with an ear infection that I ignored for a week hoping it would go away, impress the ER doctor with the severity, lie down for 5 hours to sleep while they blast the infection with iv Cipro and some other multispectrum antibiotic, ear drops, and then walk out feeling much better with a packet of Cipro in pill form. Free.

Had viral pericarditis once. Symptoms are like a heart attack. Scary as fuck. After leaving the hospital the first time firmly believing I wasn't having a heart attack (once you see your heart beating on the monitor and it looks perfectly fine, it's a huge relief), the pain returned. I went back for 3 days while they cycled on and off the anti-inflamitories to identify the one pixel elongation in the third segment of the 'beat'. Free.

I also know a guy who got a liver at age 17 due to some fucked up genetics. Free.

My grandparents have had a couple of heart operations to fix old and worn out valves. Free.

If it costs me a bit more in tax so that I can delay going to people's funerals and know that when I am sick I'll be cared for with results and not profit in mind: it's so absolutely worth it.

It doesn't cover elective surgery or dental though. Big deal. I'm happy to take on responsibility for non-urgent and non-lifethreatening conditions.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:02 | 4418482 Blano
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Holy shit dude, this stuff ain't FREE!!!!  That's the problem. 

You might be have to handle it in your little (population size) penal colony, but that don't fly when you have 300+ million peeps and half or more are dependent on govvie for one thing or another.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:15 | 4418509 myne
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Oh bullshit!

That's the worst lie anyone has ever spread. Have you EVER seen ANY business - especially insurance companies - complain that their market is too big and that they can't ever hope to cope with the increase in demand?

We wouldn't have economic concepts like "economies of scale" if it was more efficient to have smaller producers serving smaller markets.

To a large extent, medicine is like Wallmart - it's a logisitcs chain with skilled workers on the end. The logistics for expensive and very skilled surgeons only gets better with larger populations. Has anyone ever travelled to rural Idaho to see the best of any doctor? Hardly! They're all in the big cities where the economies of scale make sense.

As for you current economic woes, I frankly blame free trade to a large extent. That's a policy issue that could be fixed. A current issue does not make an entire long term healthcare system impossible. It makes it difficult at the start and it highlights issues elsewhere but it does not mean that somehow economies of scale which work in every other sector suddenly couldn't work in healthcare.

It's a cop out and you know it.

And duh, I know it's not free. Hence taxes. Funny thing is, if you halved your military budget which is just plain ridiculously large, you'd be able to bring damn near everyone up to tip-top health in no time at all and still have a fortune left over. I think that's the bigger difference betwen us and you.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:31 | 4418551 nmewn
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"So, shall we say about 35% once all's said and done."

Ummm, wut?

You sayin I should give up 35% of what I make for something I may never need is a good thing? For fucking who?!?!?

And just when did Australia de-militarize?...I musta missed that one...was there an announcement or something that you now have no standing army or navy or air force?


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:39 | 4418563 myne
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What's your income tax rate?

Now what's your state's sales tax?

And what are the additional hidden taxes?

I bet you're paying more than me or earning a lot less.


As for the military, wiki states we spend about 1.7% of GDP while you spend 2.5%.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:13 | 4418643 nmewn
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You know what I love about socialists? Its that they're so gaddamned predictable and expect me to debate within their parameters.

You have absolutely no concept of what I just said do you?

You think me (or anyone else) paying a higher rate (or lower rate) has some relevance to what I just said about the STATE, coming in and pointing a gun at your head or my head and saying do X or IT will pull the trigger or throw me in jail?

You think this is the proper function of government, the aggressive use of force, on its own citizens?

You wanna argue that point?

No, of course you don't. You want to say how bad you have it personally in your "progressive tax" paradigm, of your own making. How you're contributing much more to society than you think you're doing it for unwed mothers, who made bad decisions with roving bands of horny dishwashers...cuz you're an over compensated, guilt ridden, liberal nice guy.

Bullshit. You want to spread out your "charity".

And then you turn right around (after throwing darts in ONLY ONE DIRECTION) and admit that you do indeed, have your own Australian MIC that you support, there at whatever cost to GDP, which is a bullshit number to begin wth as it double counts production via government spending, not organic production.

Again, I call bullshit.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:46 | 4418723 myne
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Haha it's funny arguing with people like you. You hate the system but you can't be fucked moving away from it.

You're just as dependent on a functioning system as the rest of them while steadfastly maintaining the cognitive dissonance that you're somehow "self made" and "self sufficient". Well, if you're so self sufficient, and so bitter about being "robbed" of all the money that a functioning society allows you to earn and keep, move to Africa, set up your own little kingdom and be truly independent. Live the white mans dream! An army of black slaves you can kill at a moment's notice and a harem of uneducated women to fuck till you pass out.

Or are you feeling a little too cosy in your country which has a semblence of law and order, a pile of infrastructure - gifted to you by generations past and property rights which allow you to keep most of what you have?

Go on, you pussy. Hate the system? Leave it.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:20 | 4418798 Charles Nelson ...
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Ehhhh... Shut the fuck up you wanker.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:31 | 4418824 nmewn
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"You're just as dependent on a functioning system as the rest of them while steadfastly maintaining the cognitive dissonance that you're somehow "self made" and "self sufficient"."

Well, now we're getting somewhere, the demented mind of a socialist.

"Or are you feeling a little too cosy in your country which has a semblence of law and order, a pile of infrastructure - gifted to you by generations past and property rights which allow you to keep most of what you have?"

I can't help it that you live in a city with no property rights (I presume with your "functioning infrastructure" and cops at your beck & call) but yes, I did indeed build mine. And I can do it anywhere. From the water, to the septic, to the power "infrastructure" I put it all in here. I pay my power bill (from my own pocket) to a private company. None of this was subsidized by you or anyone else, in short, yes, I did build this. And I can and will enforce my rights at the point of my gun, I won't pussy out and call the cops...may the best man win ;-)

When I leave, in my vehicles, I'm taxed for the roads I travel because thats the way "progressives" set the system up, instead of tolls.

Now, lets turn to this:

"Well, if you're so self sufficient, and so bitter about being "robbed" of all the money that a functioning society >>>allows you<<< to earn and keep..."

So, you're saying my beef is really with a society (not its government) that enables that government to predetermine what I should be allowed to earn & keep of my own labor. Interesting, in a plantation/share cropper labor mentality sort of way. And if I decide to stop earning (or reporting earnings) what becomes of your precious society and its infrastructure then?

Will you advocate for my termination?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:14 | 4418914 Meat Hammer
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nmewn, while I commend the effort, I must tell you, you're wasting your time. He lives in a different reality. He has no concept of life not lived on a government leash.  He claims his master is kinder because he uses a gentle leader while the other guy's uses a pinch collar, so his master is better, when at the end of the day, he's still just a dog on a leash.  

And if you know anything about a properly trained dog, after a while you no longer need the leash. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:20 | 4418930 myne
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There really needs to be a word for "irony to the power of irony".


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:29 | 4418945 myne
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Ah, the Atlas Shrugged defense.

You won't.

You know why you wont? For the same reason you won't move to an anarchists wet dream land.

You like the fact that the shared religion of money we all believe in buys you your lifestyle. Yes, some of it is bought indirectly through taxes and goes to support systems which you don't directly need right now, but goddamnit, even through your rage, you're happy to pay for fuck-in-the-ass prisons for people you don't want to meet, you're happy to pay for the pittance the foodstampers get if it means you don't have to buy bars for your windows and you're happy that even though you have to pay tax, you're still earning more than most of the world for exactly the same work.

And you know damn well that if you stop earning your lifestyle is fucked, and if you stop reporting, you'll go to one of those prisons so you learn at least partially who your taxes pay for you to avoid. 


That's the Faustian deal you made, Atlas. The social contract.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 05:37 | 4419241 mojine
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Spew that shit on HuffPo. You're full of it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:55 | 4421822 nmewn
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lol...what a serf.

So, at the end of all this, you reveal yourself as the control freak, Orwellian, socialist, monarchist, douchebag I had you pegged for from the very start. Say hi to your welfare queen for me. 

No, Elizabeth.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:08 | 4419135 tokengator
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Property rights are a function of capitalism you dipshit. Property rights don't exist in socialism. Your beloved "free" healthcare system is a destruction of property rights and perhaps the most important property of all - your body. 


Holy shit liberalism is a fucking disease.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:04 | 4419129 tokengator
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Well if that wasn't a slaughter. Marxist faggotry works as well :)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:31 | 4418685 FredFlintstone
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Our household makes 4 to 5 times the national average and I pay about what you do or less as a percent, I just finished my taxes and my effective Federal rate was less than 20% even though my marginal bracket is higher. Remember that Warren Buffet was paying at about 17%. State was less than 4% and local was less than 3%. Now social security and disability would be about 6%. (We only pay SS on up to about $114,000 of income. Disability is maybe 1.3% on all income) Property taxes amount to maybe 2% of my income. I guess that is about 35% so far. Sales tax is a little less than 7%, but not on food. This would be about less than 2% of our income.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:41 | 4418578 FredFlintstone
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Misery loves company. I don't want to be drug into what you have. I like what I have and want the government to start rationing Medicare and Medicaid. Healthcare should be delivered on what can be afforded. The way it is trending, just about everyone will be consuming more than they contributed to the pool. This is a tragedy of the commons scenario where everyone can't wait to consume what appears at first to be a free, limitless service.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4418590 myne
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I really don't understand your argument when it has been observed over quite long periods that countries with universal care spend half as much as the US and deliver better results.

How much do you personally spend on healthcare? I'm curious.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:21 | 4418656 FredFlintstone
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Premiums for my family have averaged about $4,000 USD/yr. Maybe $500 out of pocket. My some had a few delicate surgeries that may have cost us less than $2,000 each.

We have tens of millions of people who don't work, eat horrible food and don't exercise. Diabetes, dialysis, kidney failure, alcoholics, drug users. There are basically two worlds here. Same with crime and gun violence. If you control for a demographic or two, the violence here is minimal.

Plus much of the technologies, drugs and experimental procedures and methods are developed here. We pay more for drugs here that in Canada even for the ones made here.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:34 | 4418691 myne
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4000/year for how many people?

I can't give true figures due to not knowing the inner workings of the system, but as an above average worker, I think ~20% income tax inclusive of healthcare is fair.

As for the innovation front, other countries do their fair share too. I know it's a bit of a meme over there that the US carries the world on its innovating back, but it's not exactly true.

Where do you think penicillin was discovered? Or the pacemaker? How about plastic lenses for glasses, ultrasound, the bionic ear, forced air treatment for sleep apnea, frozen embryo births, early gene manipulation, multi-focal contact lenses, antiviral flu drugs, the HPV vaccine?

Yeah, that'd be Australia.

As for your comment on the general health of the USA, massive progress could be made by simply killing the corn subsidy. Not sure if you know this, but glucose and most natural sugars can be burned by every cell in the body. Hight Fructose Corn Syrup cannot. It must first be processed by the liver which in the quantities Americans seem to eat it at, causes fatty liver first, and diabetes second. We have a large sugar cane industry and barely a corn industry at all. Our soft drinks are the more natural glucose and sucrose.

If you think we don't have our share of little ghettos too - you're wrong. People are people. Black, white, hispanic, asian, it doesn't matter too much, we're all selfish assholes :D

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:43 | 4418705 FredFlintstone
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Here it doesn't matter (for the time being). We had a family of six, but two are grown so now we have 4. The premium would be the same with 1 child or 8. You have an employee cost then you can add a spouse or then family coverage. Thanks for the education on medical innovation.

The premium is heavily subsidized by the employer here for now. Total premium would be probably $12,000.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:55 | 4418740 myne
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You can count that 12000 as part of your income tax since it is money you have earned but are not able to spend.

Now what's your effective tax rate?

Shall we say that a few years ago on a bit lower income I paid 21k in tax in total. If we count the 12,000 you spend on healthcare, I paid 9k in actual taxes. You system is silly. It's so obsfucated that you genuinely believe you're better off when you're paying s much more!

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:03 | 4418759 FredFlintstone
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Americans are skeptical of government, Our system is silly. See my comment with time stamp 21:37. That's they wat it was and should be. Costs would be much less.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:40 | 4418848 myne
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Skepticism is very healthy. But don't let skepticism deny your people of something that works well with the right structure.

We use "Government Business Entities (GBEs)" a lot. They're structured like a corporation with industry professionals leading it. They are funded by the government but they are expected to operate like a business - our postal service is even profitable due to it operating fee-for-service operations like Bpay, and selling uncontroversial goods like stationary, usb sticks and pert mint collector coins. Most of them have public accounts - similar to the stock exchange's cashflow and balance sheet statements.

We also screw down prices on medications by having a single government entity (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) to negotiate wholesale rates, and yes, subsidise them for the people who cannot afford them. They focus on evidence based research to identify the drugs which are most effective and they negotiate pretty hard from what we hear. Obviously big Pharma doesn't like it too much, but they're still pretty damn profitable - and they're banned from advertising 'the next latest drug' for ethical reasons - and to ensure they don't try and claim massive advertising costs. I'm sure they're just as corrupt at the medical conventions though, but to a large extent, I assume doctors judge efficacy by the PBS price.

That all said, our current government would dearly love to abolish all of that. They're very republican in nature. Fuck the little people, let's look after our political donors.

Sorry about Murdoch by the way. Our bad.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 04:59 | 4419198 Midas
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That was a pretty impressive list of accomplishments so I picked one at random to research. Penicillin was discovered by Alexander Fleming, a Scotsman.  The Australian Howard Florey was part of the team that first used it to actually treat a patient.  According to wikipedia, after finishing his medical schooling in Austraila he spent some time in the United States and then settled in Britain where he did his work.  Since this was all before the NHS in Britain, I don't know what you think it proves.  I've never heard anyone claim all innovations come from the US.  I don't have the time to research the others.

Myne has complained about our military expenditures in the US.  Have you spent much time on this site myne?  Zero hedge isn't exactly a home for people calling for more wars and more fighter planes.  The government that runs the MIC is the same government you want us to put in charge of healthcare.  Do you not see the risk?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:09 | 4418474 The_Dude
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Australia is what...23M people??   How about you import 2~3 million peasants and put them on your system (health, ed, social welfare, housing, prison, naseum), hand them your jobs, and see how well your system holds together asshole!! 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:18 | 4418521 myne
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Lol our immigration rate is about 400,000/year. Which is pretty fucking high for such a "small population".

It's increased by 8 million in my lifetime. There are 50% more people here now than when I was born. The USA can't say the same.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:31 | 4418667 The_Dude
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24% of your polulation is foreign born......and half of that is from UK and New Zealand...

Hardly sounds like you are importing dependent populations....

And your immigration rate is approx.  170K/yr or 0.7%...and again, pretty selective

What do you think Australia would look like if there was a land bridge to Asia? 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:40 | 4418700 myne
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Wiki is out of date, though I admit, I fucked up and included total population change rather than purely immigration.

Try that.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:32 | 4418686 post turtle saver
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well it depends on your lifetime... in my lifetime, US population has increased by 74% and I'm not "old" by any stretch... in that time US population went from around 180 million to the current 314 million...

so what am I trying to say here? oh yeah, you're wrong and your research needs more work...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:27 | 4418813 Charles Nelson ...
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Ooooooohhhh 400k! That's how many cross the border into Texas everyday. Instead of saying get the fuck out and come back when you go thru the proper channels, the dipshit egalitarians (mostly in the Democratic Party) give them a loaded EBT cards and register them to vote.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 22:37 | 4418640 FredFlintstone
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Nope. Health insurance should be just like car insurance. List your vehicles (you and dependents), pick a deductible and some other options to insure yourself against the unforeseen/catastrophic events. Pay out of pocket for routine things like oil changes, tire rotations (check-ups, medications). If you need to see the doctor for a check up, just pay him for Christ's sake. people are so damned pathetic that they can't pay their own way for common services?

We spend most of our HC dollars on end of life stuff. We need to know when to stop. The healthcare industry sees some of these pathetic old people as ATM machines. Doing procedure after procedure. When I would go in for a physical, which I don't do anymore, I would see these old people in the waiting room. I would think "what are your doing here? You are old, just go home and read a book or turn on the tv or feed the birds." I was in there because I had 4 kids and a wife to support and thought I should be cautious. It was all basically a waste of time and money. Now my kids are grown. I am 48 yo and have lived a good life and can go anytime. Why do people want to live forever?

Go see the doc if you have something to see him about. Otherwise quit consuming healthcare. Quit popping pills. Everyone can't consume more than they contribute. Pacemakers, new knees and hips and heart valves. Reconditioned humans at age 75 ready to go and watch and to consume for another 15 to 20 years?

Put down the pills, take a walk. You might have some aches and pains, but you are old. Stop stuffing your face with food. Go to sleep. If you wake up great. Stay away from the doctor. Some of them just want to bill Medicare. They may even suggest a procedure that may end up killing you. But it keeps their lights on.

Keep your socialism. Your economy is pretty much dependent on China. Good luck my friend.





Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:05 | 4418757 myne
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"Your economy is pretty much dependent on China. Good luck my friend."


Right back at ya ;)


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:10 | 4418764 FredFlintstone
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We grow all our own food and produce half our oil. What do we need China for? We do not export to China except worthless paper in exchange for cheap products.


What about the main point of my post (and not the cheap insult, sorry)?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:20 | 4418789 Pool Shark
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BC has two PET (positron-emission tomography) machines at the BC Cancer Agency. Quebec has 12, and across Canada there are 29. But a report released Monday says BC should have at least six machines...

...PET scans visualize the body on a biological or cellular level, revealing malignant activity, sometimes before a tumour has even formed. PET also shows where cancer has spread and whether cancer has responded to treatment. But because of the need to manufacture the costly radioactive tracing agent that must be injected into patients before scans, the tests cost about $1,350 in BC. Finite funding from the provinces is why machines and scans are rationed across the country.

Susan Martinuk, the researcher who wrote the 195-page report, said she was surprised to find that awareness of PET is not only low among cancer patients and the public but also among medical professionals.
It should be a first line diagnostic tool, not one used as a last resort, which is what’s happening in Canada,” Martinuk said, noting there are over 700 PET scanners in Europe and 2,100 in the U.S.

US: 2,100 scanners.

Canada: 29 scanners.

I wouldn't want to get cancer in Canada...


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:17 | 4418795 myne
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You'll change your mind as the end nears. Everyone does. "I want to see the grandkids grow up" is a very healthy human desire. Then, as you hit your mid 80's you'll be more "I want to stay as mobile as possible". 90's if you make it, you'll probably be nearly ready to go, but in truth, no one is ready to go until they are completely immobile and totally dependent.

I saw my Great Grandfather in his last couple of years deteriorate from a mobile and reasonably active person to a lucid skeleton in a bed. The precursor to that was a broken hip. Once the muscle tone goes at that age, there's no return. He was 103 when he died. Also, the majority of his and my Great Grandmother's retirement was self-funded.

My plan at that age is to first use steroids to maintain muscle mass and secondly try out heroin until it kills me.

It may not be a great plan, but the end result is the same. Fuck waiting to die.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:25 | 4418808 FredFlintstone
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Heroin? How about a wonderful dinner, a few drinks and an awesome ride in a red convertible taking some curves at high speed? That would be the way to go. Maybe I will change my mind, but you are wrong to say that everyone does. That is not true.

My purpose on earth (if you want to believe that kind of thing) is just about complete.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:43 | 4418858 myne
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Haha! Way ahead of you on that one!

With all the high speed driving I did when I was younger, I expect to die when a branch falls on my car while I wait at a set of lights. Gum trees. They're a bugger like that.

Met your grandkids yet? There's something about that moment that makes people's eyes light up with a new sense of purpose.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:03 | 4418902 401K of Dooom
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Don't worry, Obamacare will kill you faster than that.  Ya Looser!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:17 | 4418928 myne
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How could one argue with such literacy?

1) I'm Aussie. No Obamacare. Our singlepayer Medicare shits over the rats-nest of hell you have over there.

2) "loser". Note the lack of capitalisation and the corrected spelling.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 04:50 | 4419217 Midas
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If China refused to trade with the US, we would suffer some temporary shortages and then get back to making it ourselves and we would be better off.  In my opinion the only country that would have us over a barrel(pun) would be Canada, but it is a mutually dependent relationship.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:56 | 4418882 UselessEater
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Aussie's by and large won't listen..... I'm an Aussie

Our system is awesome - I can pay several hundred a month for medical insurance I never use to avoid a 30% premium for not having an insurance payment history. My brother can work months sweating in the desert to earn decent pay and then be eligible for an extra 1.5% gross income medicare levy on top of 37% marginal tax rate

I can also watch people 'game' the system like my friend who stayed in hospital for a week for a holiday while nurses tended to her newborn baby (mum and bub healthy) meanwhile another mate coughs up $5K+ before flights etc for a leg operation not deemed essential -unless he wants to continue sweating in the bush working hard for months to pay 37%..... you get the drift

And don't talk to Aussies about Rudd's deals to prop the banks in 2008/9 nor our housing bubble nor China shadow banking bubbles or their big agri ownership in Oz with green tape exemptions my farming neighbour doesn't get which help to send 100s of decent farmers to the wall EVERY year..... nor should you talk about Abbott chasing the TPP to ship more local industry to China etc, nor his agreeance to the OECD/G20 plan for global tax reg based on FATCA, and drive to implement bank bail-in legislation for banks & other financial institutions like the CBA that no longer report their derivatives balloon, whilst Hockey cancels our debt ceiling for no apparent (forseen) reason.... there's way more but you get the drfit,

its all just peachy down here, a touch arrogant and smug, but really peachy, we're so much better than the EU and USA.... until we're not then we want everyone to step in for us like caring big brothers.... Aussies will is be the last to know what hits them when this goes pear shaped, if they're lucky they'll have an Argentinian neighbour to guide them.......

end of rant

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 04:45 | 4419207 Midas
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I just read on Yahoo that Toyota is phasing out automobile production in Australia.  That won't help and will bring domestic production to zero.  The US medical system has problems and I don't know of any US citizen that will argue that.  Myne thinks he has it all figured out, we just need the government to do it!  This is the same government that has hosed our retirement system, screwed our finances till the end of time, runs a one T(!)rillion deficit every year and claims they aren't going to secure the southern border because it is not even possible?  Yet they are capable of managing our health care?  I'm with fred, I just need insurance for catastrophes and I will pay for everything else out of pocket.  Why should it be harder than buying insurance for my house?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:38 | 4418845 bearwinkle
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Look, here is the way it is. Most people are basically lazy fuckers and won't hit a lick if they don't have have to.  Who would? Give me a bunch of free shit and I wouldn't do jack or shit. Free health care for most of the FSA is just a backup for their poor ass lifestyle. Ever been out of work for more than 6 months? I've known LOTS of people who have been in that position and sad fact is once you past a certain point of no work you don't WANT ANY WORK! Period. Cut off these lazy fucks benefits and see how capitalistic  these bitchez become! 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:15 | 4419340 barroter
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Cut off the free QE, TARP and gov't bailouts to the rich. Whip some real capitalism on them and we'll see how many can actually stand on their own two feet.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:44 | 4418863 TBT or not TBT
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Dear "myne", life expectancy of an entire country isn't caused primarily by its healthcare system, but you nevertheless read that concept in WHO propaganda and statists' arguments for nationalizing the US healthcare systems.

What you seldom read is stats on the outcome of disease and injury that healthcare professionals actually get a chance to treat. In those, outcomes in the USA are number one, across the board. It turns out that competition and the profit motive lead to innovation and dedication beyond that you see in sclerotic national systems.

Atop that, the US includes deaths of preemies in its life expectancy stats, pulling the national average down vs countries that don't like to count such, or make nearly as much effort as is always done in the USA.

Finally, the rest of the world also gets an easier ride treating disease because of the incentive for innovation driven by the possibility of making nice profits, in the US market, and not so much in all those free riding elsewheres.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:56 | 4418885 myne
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As I stated above, the meme of the US doing all the research and development is just that: a meme.

Arguably Australia contributed far more than most nations by inventing the first antibiotic - which opened up an entire new field of research and treatment.

There are others in the list - and they made a profit.

What's going to be fascinating is in about 30 years when the first of the HPV vaccine kids (Australian invention) hits the age in which cervical and other HPV caused cancers usually start to manifest.

If we see a massive trend downward, the rest of the world gets a 'free ride' off the back of our research. Go socialist medicine within a capitalist framework!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 01:22 | 4419031 UselessEater
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A vaccine advocate.... mmmm .....Aust exported a very very questionable toxic product ermmm vaccine.... the only free rides are for the 0.0001% (aka 85 people)....pls switch from gloating to helping Aussies see the financial hailstorm coming our way

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 01:44 | 4419048 myne
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I think they debunked you better than I could.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:02 | 4418896 401K of Dooom
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What are you doing at this site?  Go away!  If your healthcare system is so wonderful then why do people keep coming to this country to have their operations done here.  By the way, how is your immigration policy doing these days?  I heard that  you are sending people back in rickety boats?  What a shame, you do not have any peons to do your menial work for you.  We can lend you some of our Mexicans to work for you, would you like that?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:38 | 4418966 myne
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Haha, you're funny. I like you. I think I'll let you fuck my sister.

McKinsey and Co. report from 2008 found that between 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care.[78] The same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).

I dispise our current government. I suppose you can relate to that at least. They're essentially Tea Party Republicans - and funded by the same guy - Murdoch!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 02:34 | 4419098 Deathrips
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You know that picture you have of the queen on your currency..and stamped on your gold and silver...thats your fuedal master.

Instead of spouting off what this imaginary group of merry socialist men are doing for their bretherin. Lets take a look at what most socialist fools are doing.


Lets look at a Crown Corporation.

In monarchical Commonwealth countries, particularly Australia, Canada and New Zealand, country-wide government corporations often use the style "Crown corporation." Equivalent terms include "State-owned enterprises" and "Crown entities" in New Zealand, and Government Business Enterprise (GBE) in Australia. Examples of Crown corporations include the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and Air Canada before the latter underwent privatization. Cabinet ministers (Ministers of the Crown) often control the shares in such public corporations.


Now how much money does the state have? Well none. The people have the money/value delivered and empower the government to support social contract. Problem currently is that there is no social contract with the people. The contract is with the crown under commonwealth. Commonwealth....that sounds good right? The crown owns your government owned corporations, ill post a link to a few below. You think you are helping your buddies/neighbors and community ..cause you are emotional..not logical, and play right into the trap. Being a statists milk cow. They get your labor/life and hand you paper.

Socialists avoid responsibility. They want some entity to take care of everything for them. You want to help your neighbors and communities..become a Doctor, Volunteer, help out..contribute. The solution isnt employing a 3rd party non fiduciary wealth extracting parasite ...for the children? The state doens have a job if the people are sustainable and independent.



In Australia the predominant term used for Commonwealth government-owned companies is "government business enterprise" (GBE). Various Australian states also have GBEs, especially with respect to the provision of water and sewerage, but many state-based GBEs were privatized in some states during the last decade of the twentieth century.

Commonwealth GBEs include:

Some of these corporations are overseen by the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.


When they are done milking you, you will then be a meat cow..unless you dont need the feed at that barn..but socialists want to make sure that theres equality so we all have to eat there. They use guns ...for the emotions of pussies like you that depend on the state to make sure they live in fantasy land..



Put that in your collectivist pipe and smoke on it.


Im not saying that the USA or any country is better. Im just saying that your socialist shit stinks and you dont know it. We are telling you, now you have no excuse.


I prefer learning not to be a dependent pet...according to you..i dont have that choice. See how shitty it is having a dictator around?


Rant off



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:41 | 4419170 myne
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See that "Federal Reserve Note" on your currency? Repeat same argument.

Our queen is a figurehead who's only power is to sack the government and call an election. Even then, it's not HER power, it's her representitives - the Govorner General.

What are you going to do about your feudal masters?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 04:05 | 4419179 Deathrips
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Im sure as fuck not going to suck their you are suggesting.

You need to do your homework..look further..they own your shit like the fed owns our shit. I said that above.


While youre over there braying bullshit, im over here baking bread. Someone has to do it...remember that.


You want to know what to do..learn to bake bread. If someone uses a gun to tell you, "you cant bake bread". Tell them to fuck off, preferably with a gun in your hand for defense from the statists collectivist fascist corprotocracy wealth extractors. If you cant figure it out....sorry.


Wheres G Edward Griffin on collectivists when you need him.....oh..on youtube.





Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:22 | 4419155 OldPhart
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Fuck off you Aussie Commie before I start thinking I don't like Aussies.

(And I love Aussies!).


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 04:50 | 4419216 myne
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Ever wondered why you like us, mate?

Because we're chilled out, laid back, have managed to get a governmental system that is, all things considered, mostly about serving the people (though we hate them on and off) and we don't have to worry about stupid things like "can I afford to die this week?"


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:11 | 4419335 barroter
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If Americans can't get what they need from the free market, they'll turn to gov't, which does come across for them.  If the free market wants adherents, believers, beating on the very people you're trying to persuade ain't going to work.

I'm sure many people happily SING when the free market jacks home heating, insurance, food and what not to the sky. Also, working Americans will probably sing too if they're wages are cut and their  jobs offshored. 

Too bad most Americans aren't like some battered wife, who keeps going back to the abuser, it would make easier for the "wealth creators."

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:02 | 4419128 OldPhart
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I'm so glad I grew up in the '60's when we were taught real values like self determination, patriotism, self-reliance, and, wait...

shit, I'm screwed...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 03:06 | 4419130 Mister Kitty
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If America becomes a service economy, then we're gonna need socialized medicine.  Nobody will have money.  Plain and simple.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:40 | 4418082 GOSPLAN HERO
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Fuck WaPo and their vision of a workers' paradise.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:53 | 4418129 Mr Pink
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This shit just gets weirder every day. 

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 18:59 | 4418153 nmewn
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Just think Mr.Pink, they've unleashed us to sit around a play Flappy Bird all day.

Untethered even! ;-)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:07 | 4418174 knukles
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That's the thing best done in private, no?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:19 | 4418206 nmewn
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The OTHER Flappy Bird ;-)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:32 | 4418235 Mr Pink
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War is humanitarian, vaccines and prescription drugs are killing us, insecticide inside our food, poison in our water, chemtrails in our air, nobody knows who our president is and he was elected TWICE, Hillary is leading in the polls and now Obamacare is good because who needs a job anyway?

I'm having one of those days when I feel like my head is going to explode.

Did I leave anything out?

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:45 | 4418285 nmewn
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Yes, there's a "fleet" of Iranian warships (consisting of the frigate Sabalan and a cargo ship) headed to Venezuela to drop off some toilet paper to that fine socialist model of governance. Its double ply, the good stuff.

So there's some good news.

The bad news is, its irradiated ;-)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 08:15 | 4419336 barroter
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Love the news. These Iranian boats are barely deep water sea-worthy.  I suppose we should believe the news and it's time for all of us to panic.


Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:42 | 4418849 KickIce
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Money printing keeps gold prices in check.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 00:46 | 4418980 ThroxxOfVron
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"Did I leave anything out?"

Hold the free 'health insurance' -not interested.

Send free sandwiches and whores.   Ham on rye.   Blonde on top.

-& choom Me while yer at it...

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:34 | 4418246 kaiserhoff
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Ya'll have too much time on your hands...,

  among other things;)

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 19:50 | 4418293 nmewn
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Its not what you think, its really just butter from all the popcorn I've been eating watching this whole

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