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Martin Armstrong On The (Imminent) Economics Of War

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"What jumps out at you from the data concerning war is very simplistic – war does not unfold when everyone is fat and happy.


Turn the economy down and war rises just as we are seeing wide-scale civil unrest.


These trends go hand in hand.


Government often NEEDS war because when the people get angry, they go after government.


In self-defense, government ALWAYS needs to blame some other country or group."


-Martin Armstrong


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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:59 | 4421839 Zadok
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But of course they do...Otherwise, they get strung up for their crimes. Ultimate irony.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:03 | 4421855 Arius
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this guy is just an anti -goldman kind of guy ... light weight

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:27 | 4421930 So Close
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Given the simple truth of this... what does it say about society?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:32 | 4421960 Arius
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what society?

you mean serfs?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:37 | 4421975 Dick Buttkiss
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Why, of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. … But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country.

Nazi Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering; see WikiQuote here:öring; additional background here:


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:59 | 4422048 Keyser
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More people are waking up and calling bullshit on the establishment. Case in point, the backlash from constituents sent the message loud and clear that Americans did not want a war with Syria. The people are less likely to follow the war drums, especially if it's Obama sounding the call to war. TPTB will have to find another boogieman to rally the people against. My guess it will be an alien false-flag to scare the shit out of the sheeple and start a stampede to the government's tit. 


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:04 | 4422067 KnightTakesKing
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Agree except the aliens (in truth, demonic fallen angels) aren't a false flag. US Government's been collaborating with them for a long time now.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:20 | 4422116 Mister Kitty
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What a bunch of bullshit.  What?  Are we souless chimps.  Bastards.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:27 | 4422132 Anusocracy
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Gotta take advantage of that ingroup-outgroup moral divide when the domestic government is on the verge of becoming an outgroup itself.

People have to realize that government is always the outgroup that is the most dangerous.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:53 | 4422232 f16hoser
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Not this time. We're on to the little buggers!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:11 | 4422316 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Where's Dick Cheney when you need to start another senseless war.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:23 | 4422369 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Anyone else notice that Cheney seems to have permanent snarl on his face. This must be normal for psychopaths I guess.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:08 | 4422568 Jack Burton
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For many soldiers the Vietnam war was an on the ground blood soaked hell hole, Mr. "war monger" Cheney sought and got deferment after deferement to avoid any service in the US military at that time, all the while a firm advocate of the war. Like Bush, well known for his pro-Vietnam war stance, Cheney found a way out, at a time when many young kids enlisted willingly and millions were drafted and served as orderd.

Now these two, Bush and Cheney both,are super patriots. And many Americans, to this day, believe Bush and Cheney to be patriots of the highest order. Both are fuckers, one is a coward, the other is still AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.

Cheney is an evil fuck. Bush was a clown and a puppet, much like Obama. Both simply follow orders from the elite rulers behind the scenes. The thing is with Cheney is he IS one of those elite rulers behind the scenes. HE is a string puller, and Obama dances, just like Bush, to the Cheney tune. Cheney is up to his lips with the corporate military industrial complex. He chose not to fight for America, but he dose choose to gain profits from America's wars instead.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:12 | 4422729 Dick Buttkiss
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Whoever down-voted you no doubt thinks Snowden is a traitor. Poor slob. Enough like him and there's no hope.

But there is, as the deciding factor need not be anywhere near a majority:

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:22 | 4422894 Canoe Driver
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Exactly. Why do you think the Congress will not protest Executive Orders? It's not because they are scared of Obama.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:28 | 4423242 Moe Howard
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Obama didn't even register for the draft.


What's your war record, btw? Just wondering.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:06 | 4422070 johny2
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the sheep will be sheep.


try and tell someone that the reason for the state of the human society as it, is design of the financial system. In most of the cases they will tell you it is too complex and they prefer to talk about less complex issues. Just as intended.


“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

- banned commentator

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:30 | 4422146 Professorlocknload
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Voltaire was banned?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:36 | 4422171 johny2
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:52 | 4422236 jimmytorpedo
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Wasn't Voltaire on CNN just last Tuesday?

That guy is worse than Marc Faber.

Doom porn and hogging the limelight.

Don't worry, happy.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:19 | 4422348 johny2
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Is there anything to watch on CNN?

Anyway, Voltaire was a great writter. Some things he got right and at the same time he was completely deluded about other things. The quote above was one of the things he got right. Taylor had to ban some of the most enlightening commentators, and Voltaire for sure would last short time as a commentator here.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:58 | 4422508 Dick Buttkiss
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"Voltaire for sure would last short time as a commentator here."

Why would that be?

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

"The art of government is to make two-thirds of a nation pay all it possibly can pay for the benefit of the other third."

"It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong."

"It is lamentable that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind."

Just getting warmed up.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:37 | 4422920 StychoKiller
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Candide: "Tend to your garden(s)."

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:11 | 4422078 ACP
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Obama's inability to start a foreign war is exactly why he is trying to start a civil war in the US, starting with internal strife here and there and ending up with an actual war war.

Buying weapons to kill your own citizens can work well also, as well as letting in tons of killers and others who want to destroy it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:26 | 4422617 analyzer_66
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War on white and dark man. Machiavelli singing in the background.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:28 | 4422143 Mr Lucky
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No, the war with Syria was stopped not by Americans objecting, but by the skillful diplomacy of Putin.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:49 | 4422218 LMAOLORI
Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:11 | 4422585 Jack Burton
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Latest figures show Syrian rebels come from dozens of different nations. As many as 1,400 +  Europeans are fighting as Al-Qaeda troops in the Syrian democratic revolution. Video threats have already been made by some of these Europeans against their home countries, calling for terror attacks and Jihad in Belgium, Britain, France, Germany and Scandinavia after their return to Europe. In response to these threats, David Cameron of Britain has called for more arms, money and intelligence support for these rebels. Cameron is a dupe of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA. The triple alliance of Al-Qaeda funders.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:59 | 4422262 yogibear
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That pissed-off the Saudis and Israel. Obama and Lurch thought the Syrian war was in the bag. Guess Putin figured out the dumb and dumber game.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:50 | 4422947 WTFUD
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'piss on the saudis'
Lurch, i like that!
Lurch-a-lot, me thinks; most apt.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:20 | 4423557 gruden
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How about starvation?  Hunger focuses the mind better than anything.  If the military is the only outfit that guarantees 3 square meals for the masses, enlistment will jump, which becomes fodder for the next big war.  We've had drought for many years, and these engineered snowstorms aren't going to help the situation.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:29 | 4421934 NoDebt
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Fine, you pass him by.  I'll take him on my team.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:42 | 4421991 Son of Captain Nemo
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And those that created this mess and are ready to take us to the next biggest war know they will never have to worry.

Not with the crowd in this Nation of ours that is more concerned with who will win the Superbowl, NBA finals or the catching last episode of "Downton Abbey" as their real worth continues to plummet to the center of the earth like the meltdown in Fukushima -thanks to those bankers!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:27 | 4422140 midtowng
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Very true, but the wrong picture. That isn't a Nazi flag. You'd think the guy would know that.

It's the Soviet flag over Kiev when they took back the city from the Nazis.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:30 | 4422797 Jack Burton
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It is the Soviet Flag, but it is the Soviet flag put up over the Riksdag in Berlin in May 1945. This photo was not the  red flag that was raised by the first soldiers to reach the Riksdag roof, but was a little later that day when a big proper Red Flag was brought up by different soldiers and photographed by others. The original soldiers never were recognized for their flag raising until recently when Russian TV found one of them and carried the real story. Kiev was taken much earlier at the very end of 1943 I think.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:00 | 4421843 101 years and c...
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its true.  9/11.  US been in a "war on terror" since.  problem is, we've been fighting the wrong people. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:09 | 4421878 SilverRhino
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If we'd just gone ahead and nuked Mecca and Medina, exterminated the muslims and occupied Saudi Arabia that whole area would already be pacified. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:21 | 4421912 Supernova Born
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They hate our freedom from employment.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:57 | 4422256 CaptainObvious
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+6.6% (or should I use the non-BLS numbers?  +24.9%)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:15 | 4422589 Jack Burton
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We could all find work, if we just were willing to work for less. Market forces set wages, in 2014, we must match a Chinese workers wage, or go without a job. Unless we work for government, then we have no problems, get big pay, cost of living raises, health care, vacation and early retirement. It's only fair, no?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:31 | 4421948 seek
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If that actually happened we'd likely be experiencing either daily suicide bombings within the US, or a full-blown papers-please on every corner police state.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:16 | 4422107 john39
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Muslims=red herring

Satanic central banking system is the issue.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:16 | 4422111 Stoploss
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It's only Monday...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:28 | 4422145 midtowng
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That statement is so monumentally stupid

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:38 | 4422176 Professorlocknload
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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 06:26 | 4431580 Frankie Carbone
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God bless you son. Jesus is smiling upon you.

No really, you're just as wicked as the bankers and there's a special door for you and them to go through once you step in front of the Pearly Gates.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4421913 seabiscuit
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Let's not forget the war on poverty and then the war on drugs.


The war ON drugs. Perhaps the only way to conceive of a war.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:59 | 4422259 jimmytorpedo
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War on drugs?

What, did your ounce of weed go to jail?

More blacks are incarcerated than were enslaved.

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on people.

ps I don't have time to drug myself, but if I did have the time, I think I would dedicate it to sex!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:07 | 4422294 yogibear
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But we have Lyndon Baines Johnson's Great Society. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:03 | 4421846 stant
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brother can you spare another war

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:03 | 4421847 Tinky
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Martin "2015.75" Armstrong?


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:08 | 4421864 Arius
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because someone fell down on his way to WC exactly 2000.75 years ago ... right on!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:03 | 4421850 HyBrasilian
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Nice to see that to 'GET OUT OF JAIL FREE'... Martin Armstrong decided to be a spokesperson for the DARK SIDE...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:19 | 4422342 Buckaroo Banzai
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Um, yeah. WTF are you talking about??

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:03 | 4421851 ShrNfr
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"Problems at home? Then start a war abroad." as told to me by my Dad who would have been 118 this year. Some things never, ever, change.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:10 | 4421871 Ignatius
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One of the main purposes of war is to control the domestic agenda.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:32 | 4421951 Professorlocknload
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Not to mention breaking all those global windows is profitable for a few, if we win, that is.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:01 | 4422274 CaptainObvious
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Broken windows would only be profitable for the US if it still manufactured things like windows.  The only things we manufacture any more are gubmint statistics, FSA dependency upon said gubmint, and hefty lardasses in spandex put-putting along on mobility scooters that are sparking in tortured agony.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:43 | 4422930 StychoKiller
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BS, we also make tanks, fighter jets, etc...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:23 | 4422357 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Problems at home? Then start a war abroad."

That's the fascist solution. The communist solution is to just start slaughtering your own people, wholesale.

"No man, no problem." -- J. Stalin

Obama is a communist, so that should give you an idea of what is in store.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:08 | 4421856 Ignatius
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The 1% of the 1% run the show for their benefit.

This has never changed since the rise of ther oligarchs (private interests) over 2000 years ago.

The history of the USA is no different than this fact, but is rather typical.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:42 | 4422001 graneros
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No, this has not changed since we crawled out of the ocean, or swamp, or wherever we came from.  From day one someone (usually the largest) decided they would just take what ever they needed from those who had it.  That's it.  Oh to be sure humankind has expanded on and refined the ability to "take what they want" exponentially but the premise remains the same.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:54 | 4422034 Arius
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that is a pessimistic way of looking at things.  feel sorry for you!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:14 | 4422096 johny2
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I am optimist and think the same. It is the way the world of animals is, and that is what humans are, in a nutshell. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:12 | 4422324 TheReplacement
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Have to completely disagree.  Animals do take what they need.  Humans take what they want.  Need and want are two different things.  We behave worse than animals.

"Throw me to the wolves because there's order in the pack."

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:38 | 4422419 johny2
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We certainly are one kind of the animals, although most of the other animals often appear more evolved.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:15 | 4422098 graneros
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No need to feel sorry for me.  I live in reality. Pessimissm or optimisim do not come into play when discussing facts.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:44 | 4422192 Professorlocknload
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Maybe that's why some Founding Visionaries suggested Rule of Law might produce a better outcome than Rule By Man had offered through the ages?

But, now we are tending back into that swamp, with the abandonment of that suggestion, so what would we expect?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:41 | 4422182 RaceToTheBottom
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The creatures that went back into the swamp are now called Banksters

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:54 | 4422239 Anusocracy
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"Oh to be sure humankind has expanded on and refined the ability to "take what they want" exponentially but the premise remains the same."

The application of job specialization to a top-down chain of command power structure did the trick.

Nature gives, man embellishes.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:53 | 4422241 Anusocracy
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:07 | 4421865 FieldingMellish
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Saudi Arabia takes yuan for oil, US "finds" terrorists in KSA, bombs same.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:11 | 4421875 RaiZH
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This reality is truly heart-breaking... I hope humanity moves forward after we face all the inevitable turmoil in the next few decade and they will probably look back at us as a huge blunder in human history. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:11 | 4421884 GeorgeHayduke
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Solid logic. Unfortunatly the government also works at creating  a herd of people who cannot think in logical terms. So, here we are.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:16 | 4421898 Seasmoke
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I think this time the Internet is the fly in the ointment...... see Syria 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:34 | 4421965 seek
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Yep. Syria was the first time in a long, long time TPTB and their client states didn't get what they wanted.

All the more reason to expect that they will pull the plug on the internet when the time comes. They'll pretend it's still operating because you can access with comments diabled, and if they're generous maybe even online banking, but anything that allows real news or discussion will be nuked as they are "vectors for command and control of the virus threat to the US economy" or some other nonsense.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:53 | 4422038 spinone
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look into shortwave IP.  Only 1200 baud, but better than nothing.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:13 | 4422093 TheMeatTrapper
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They don't have to pull the plug on the internet or disable comments. There are two companies that control the vast majority of "reccomended stories" (where news stories are suggested to you based on your click history) and comment provider engines that display comments at the botttom of news stories. 

Those two companies are Taboola and Outbrain. 

Take a guess which country they are located in. Francis Sawyer would know.

Internet traffic can be steered to desired stories and away from undesireable stories. 

Upvotes and down votes can easily be altered and comments can disappear before they post based on their content. 

The internet can remain intact, but be controlled at will in very subtle ways. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:25 | 4422124 john39
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You mean cnn isn't going to explain to the sheeple that satanic zionists are turning the planet to hell? Shocked I am. Shocked.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:07 | 4423135 fiatmasochist
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....Thanks for the link...GIGO...surfing is now for real mental masturbation....especially if the articles are manufactured to provoke my searches...and the comments too???? brain feels like a bug that hit the windshield. Not the NYT? Say it isn't so.... 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:24 | 4422127 FredFlintstone
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If POTUS failed TPTB, will they dump him to the curb?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:36 | 4421966 GeorgeHayduke
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I hope you are correct. They may have to gear up the first war toward the internet first, then go about bombing hapless people around the world. I am guessing they would have a pretty good fight on their hands trying to take the internet from us now. But I have guessed wrong about such things in the past. We will see.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:38 | 4421981 Professorlocknload
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Green on ya, smoke. The Internet Reformation lives.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:48 | 4422019 NoDebt
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The internet serves to shorten the time in which a plan has to be put in motion before the insurgency against that idea organizes and is heard in public discourse.  If Obama hadn't burned time throwing it to Congress, we would be in Syria right now.  So, yeah, it that case it worked.  But I think it only works on ideas that are on the bubble of whether those pushing them REALLY want to lay everything on the line to accomplish their goals.  Certainly the Internet did nothing to stop Obamacare, regardless of it NEVER having popular support.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4421901 Mr Lucky
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Seems that Mr. Armstrong gets little respect on Zerohedge. Is that because he called the top in gold, and it has been downhill since then. Or perpaps the peckerwoods would rather listen to buffoons like turd ferguson who screamed BTFD as the price was collapsing. The goldbuds have hurt a lot of people in this recent price collapse.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:09 | 4422082 Stanley Lord
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I agree,  but I am still trying to figure out Martin Armstrong, he tends to have "it is so obvious a nitwit can see it" attitude that grates after awhile.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:09 | 4422305 jimmytorpedo
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Who listens to a guy named Turd?

If that's the case, I get good advice twice a day.

And I don't need an internet connection to get it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:51 | 4422502 Mr Lucky
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Lots of people on this site listened to a guy named Turd. And..........their investments went South.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:19 | 4421909 cynicalskeptic
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They've been pushing for war against Iran since Bush II got in.....   the 'provocations' soemhow aren't working... the speedboat /Gulf of Tonkin redux was outright laughable thoughthey're still pushing the nuclear threat bs....

I wonder if the unusually high turnover in senior military officers over the past dozen years is a reflection of the 'push back' against this insanity.... seems like the Intelligence types (and the powers behind the scenes) WANT war while the military is fed up with being used as cannon fodder.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:35 | 4421972 NOTaREALmerican
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Might be some truth to that,  but the smart-n-savvy people running Big-MIC know there "gold" (so to speak) in building disposable "Keynesian" crap.    The revolving door between the Pentagon and the Defense Industry is spinning faster and faster.

The key to success is duplicity; and it applies to everybody.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:50 | 4422018 Professorlocknload
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Might be some hesitation on the Corporatist in Chief's part on Iran, in the form of Russian design on same, same chunk of prime pipeline Real Estate, in this ongoing ME Proxy War between a couple super powers, maybe?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:20 | 4421911 29.5 hours
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"In self-defense, government ALWAYS needs to blame some other country or group."

Damn malcontent bloggers and commenters are the problem. If they would only stop carping on the various minor sins of government, the economic perspective would surely stabilize at a permanently high plateau. Give our capitalist system a chance to perform miracles again!



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:15 | 4422333 RaceToTheBottom
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Give a Bankster a chance.  They have never failed themselves before...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:12 | 4422758 Blano
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Captain Teleprompter basically already said that.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:21 | 4421917 max2205
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But now no one wants to fight so Barry wants a fucked up internal slap fest

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:16 | 4422979 StychoKiller
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Careful what you wish for, Barry....

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:29 | 4421936 NOTaREALmerican
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Show of hands of the "conservatives" who wanted to drowned Big-MIC in the bathtub along with the Welfare Queens?

Yeah,  didn't think so.

Big-MIC,   the best Big-Gov scam going; for 6 decades now.  

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:29 | 4421937 gwar5
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And works both ways...  EM and MENA countries are gonna get creamed and pissed when SHTF and all their missles will be pointed at New York and DC.  Europeans and Americans are too busy fighting the domestic enemies right now. Rejection of the Syrian War was a wake up call to Oligarchs. 


Oligarchs just have to make do with Civil War.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:28 | 4421939 ebworthen
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And the elephant in the room that will go to war to avoid civil unrest is China.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:29 | 4421944 xamax
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They can start any war they want, I really dont care.
What I care is new highs in s&p500 index.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:33 | 4421955 Aquarius
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The most one can say of any government today is that they are all feudalistic trending rapidly (not imperceptably) towards Totalitarianism - with a set variables as prime purposes, such as: exhorting (stealing and controlling) the productivities of the masses, centralizing global wealth in productivity and property assets, and essentially, the tribal domination through slavery and genicide (No etc.).

Bottom line: History shows that government and all that hangs off it, is racketeering with murder and barbarian impositions as its tools, albeit, adding to the toolbox of the trade, in more common times since Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin, mass propaganda (manipulated lies), hand-outs (social benefits), staged courts and trials, sharp suits, polished shoes and colourful starch neck-ties. Apart from all this however, the game remains as it has been for some ~5,000 and more; the same.

I have always been cynical of authority, as you may have come to comprehend; politicians, bureaucrats and bankers in particular. I have added economists, scientists, professionals such as doctors, lawyers (especially lawyers), accountants, etc, to the list in modern days in a sort of natural self-educational evolution by extension. I have always felt alone with the wisdom of my ways, handed down to me by my Grandfather some 60 years ago. But, I now see the general masses of the unwashed slowly coming to fusion with my philosophies of applied cynicism, skepticism and total disgust with the authoritarian classes - thanks to the Internet and some real pain; especially in the home ownership, rental, banking experience and job loss arenas. Then, is really hits me this morning as, "Eureka" he screamed, running down the streets, that it has always been this way; just invisible and imperceptible, 'til now. Yes, there are those that rip others off and those that get ripped off; 'tis just a matter of both proportions and  reality. Yes, it's a Ponzi scheme, yes, Aye, but it has always been like this, But the difference now being, is that the lights are being slowly turned on. But people are still being murdered blatantly, en masse - nations still being raped and pillaged, minority groups (tribes) being ethnically cleansed, still more over taxation (over what? - I mean theft.). etc., etc., and all while the global populace sits around and mutters, "Ho hum, so what is new?", or mutters away apologetically, that those nice men and women in governments, would not under any circumstances, steal, murder or plot totalitarian schema: Oh no. Aye, the details may be slightly different, but, be assured, the game remains exactly the same. The difference is that now you know and have the option of attaining to certainty. By the way: Politics and Wars are NOT systems: They are the result of pyschotic and socio-pathic diseases in the mentally challenged that normally and fundamentally are attracted to the ranks of government. These diseases and states of mind. are not of intellect, nor of man; they are the result of years of incestuous inbreeding and primitive tribal belief systems that have not evolved over time. Silence is complicity. Ho hum
Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:04 | 4422071 Professorlocknload
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“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”   Charles MacKay


Seems the governed in this experiment lost track of the key element in successful self governance. Sacrifice. In the sense that for one to enjoy liberty, one must be willing to grant that same right to others.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:03 | 4422558 Aquarius
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Speaking of Incestous inbreeding and primitive tribal belief systems:

From Steve Sailer -

Neocons tend to be particularly inbred. In the comments at Mondoweiss, Sean McBride lists some examples (I'll cut out redundant ones):

2. Andrew Rosenthal is the son of A.M. Rosenthal.
4. Arthur Sulzberger Jr. is the son of Arthur Sulzberger.
5. Barbara Amiel is the wife of Conrad Black.
6. Barbara Ledeen is the mother of Simone Ledeen who is the daughter of Michael Ledeen.
8. Benjamin Netanyahu is the son of Benzion Netanyahu.
11. Dalck Feith is the father of Douglas Feith.
14. Daniel Feith is the brother of David Feith.
15. Daniel Feith is the grandson of Dalck Feith.
17. Daniel Pipes is the son of Richard Pipes.
21. David Wurmser is the husband of Meyrav Wurmser.
22. Dick Cheney is the father of Liz Cheney who is the daughter of Lynne Cheney.
24. Donald Kagan is the father-in-law of Victoria Nuland and Kimberly Kagan
25. Donald Kagan is the father of Frederick and Robert Kagan.
26. Donald Kagan is the father of Robert Kagan.
31. Elliott Abrams is the son-in-law of Midge Decter and Norman Podhoretz, and brother-in-law of John Podhoretz.
38. Gertrude Himmelfarb is the wife of Irving Kristol and the mother of William Kristol.
45. Jonah Goldberg is the son of Lucianne Goldberg.

Neoconservatism: it's a real family business.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:36 | 4421958 foodstampbarry
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Yep, it's almost time. Lots of useless eaters out there.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:37 | 4421977 seek
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Except they won't be doing the fighting, or be cannon fodder. Once you realize that -- and recognize that they're still a problem that needs a solution -- how this plays out gets hair-standing-on-end scarier.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:41 | 4421993 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Except they won't be doing the fighting, or be cannon fodder

Well,  you mean the useless eater at the top.   But, the peasant class is mostly worried about the useless-eaters at the bottom who have no real power. 

The peasants have always loved their nobility.  It's why ours is growing more powerful every day.

Fascism and feudalism are the only natural forms of society; primarily because the peasants want to get kicked in the ass by "their betters". 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:51 | 4422032 seek
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Actually, I meant the ones on the bottom. Very few are willing, able, or fit enough to participate in a war -- either back home in an industrial capacity, the front lines, or anywhere in between -- yet they're a big drain on resources that TPTB would rather use elsewhere.

If you were the government -- once you'd secured power without needing votes from the underclass you used to pay off -- you'd want something to happen that wiped out two groups in this country, the poor and the old. This would leave you with the working class and vastly reduced drain from social programs, nearly to the point where you could balance the budget, even while keeping military spending at insane levels (because there's a war on, y'know.).

A pure fascist state and the release of the right biological weapon would be TPTB/MIC's wet dream for the US.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:18 | 4422114 Professorlocknload
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seek, had to read it twice to get your point. Useless eaters are no longer needed as cannon fodder, in light of the insane capabilities of modern warfare, in addition to the dementia prevalent in those who control those means.

That given, seems to me well meaning liberators would need to win hearts and minds of those on the joysticks of said horrific logistics.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:20 | 4422118 KnightTakesKing
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Exactly. Seek, you've always been able to provide rational thought to how these sociopaths think.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:42 | 4422190 ShakaZulu
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Maybe a Superman will save us?  Or we'll just have to wait till Jesus comes...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:13 | 4422322 jimmytorpedo
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They will just re-institute the draft.

For your country of course.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:10 | 4422308 CaptainObvious
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I foresee a global pandemic in the future which will take care of that problem handily.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:23 | 4423194 Urban Redneck
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Biological weapons are very hard to predict and control outside of a laboratory environment.

For the elderly, there is healthcare rationing and declining purchasing power of their handouts, as well as proximity to other undesirable elements.

For the other (younger) useless eaters, when the "x on y" crime stories reach a certain scale in the MSM narrative, then the narrative of the inherent/structural problems with group "x" become acceptable (and problematic) public dialogue. It will not only be acceptable, but demanded by the masses that the long arm of the long arm of the law protects the rest of the society (for the low, low price of some increasingly rare civil liberty). Once the State has sanction for its new "authorities" whether they go with the ghetto model or the FEMA camp model is largely irrelevant (except perhaps to Warren Buffet who might have excess rail car capacity to profit off a FEMA/concentration camp model).

One usually has to invite the Devil in, unfortunately, we have nothing but retards answering knocks at the door.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:40 | 4423211 kurt
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$800 a month for healthcare. 

That used to be house rent.

The apocalypse is already here.

Who deserves $800 a month BEFORE doing anything at all?

$800 a month is a more than adequate food buget.

The apocalypse is already here.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:39 | 4421984 Temporalist
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Can't we all just pretend there's an alien invasion like the Nobel Prize winning PhD economist Paul "NeverEnough" Krugman suggest?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:49 | 4422024 Atomizer
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Minor Threat – Stumped | Thanks Martin..


The time has come for everyone to party

The time has come for everyone to get down




Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:50 | 4422029 samsara
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The Martin Link for the snippet of the article.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:02 | 4422059 samsara
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A couple other snippets from Martin about war and such.


The anti-government protests in Thailand are against corruption. This is the same trend we are seeing in Ukraine and will erupt in Europe, Japan, and then eventually the USA after 2016. The economy has to turn down before you get protests.

The downside of these types of protests is when the police benefit from the corruption. Then as you can see in this photograph, far too often to see the hatred in their eyes driven by self-interest – they like the corruption the way it is.


Cycles of War 2014

It is certainly arguable that civil unrest presents a greater systemic risk than international conflict.

The turning point on this Cycle of War is targeted for 2014. There is always some conflict in the world so this never trulty moves to absolute zero. We saw the Occupy Wall Street movement that turned out to be even bigger in places like Spain than it ever was in New York or the major cities within the United States. What is different here, is we enter 2014, these proests are becoming far more violent.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:01 | 4422063 Johnny Cocknballs
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War is theft. 


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:34 | 4422115 Bastiat
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. . . don't forget the murder part.  . . .  and rape:  it's just a shot away.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:26 | 4423200 Urban Redneck
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Well that explains both the EU and the Rape of Europa (or at least the psychopath leadership in Brussels).

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:15 | 4422326 jimmytorpedo
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Taxation is theft.

--fixed it for you

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:12 | 4422094 SgtShaftoe
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This is probably one of my most favorite quotes:


Ernest Hemingway “The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war.


Martin isn't wrong, but he's certainly not original.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:49 | 4423224 Urban Redneck
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Since I'm feeling rather unoriginal myself this morning- I'll just copy and paste something below I posted a few days ago. As much as there are aspects to Armstrong's interpretation of history that I have (relatively) minor issues with, he has certainly demonstrated a capacity or for both original thought and additional contribution to long cycle theory. However, his contributions to the largely quack art of financial newsletter writing are much less desirable, but as his authorship style is rather unforgiving- it compounds the difficulty of comprehension before a reader makes their own investment decision based on the totality of their research and an actual investment thesis. If Martin cared about maximizing sales volume he'd be well advised hire someone with experience writing for the Cliff's Notes or ... for Dummies franchises.


Original thought is rather rare (and has been for quite a while) e.g. from all the contemporary American English equivalents of "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem", verbatim from Jefferson to Rousseau to the Palatine of Posen, and then figuratively to time immemorial. Philosophical debate is often parroting glib phrases, and has been for longer than any of us have been around.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:12 | 4422095 Peter Pan
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I would partially disagree with Armstrong because the US has been running wars almost continuously since WWII during good economic and bad economic times.

What we need to realise is that the military/industrial complex needs to be making full time and that war is manifesting itself not just with invasions in other countries but but also internally through Homeland Security, NSA spying and the gradual conversion of local police into military stormtroopers.

The US is one hell of a war and propaganda machine both inside and out.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:26 | 4422134 SgtShaftoe
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Exactly, with all the rhetoric about downsizing the military, officer strength being reduced, etc, remember: who exactly is the most powerful lobby in washington?  The defense contractors and intelligence complex.  Do people really believe that the military is going to downsize.  Those bombs and missles are going to be manufactured, all those useless F35s, all those combat incapable new aluminum naval ships. 


Where no enemy exists, one will be manufactured.   Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, and all the usual media will scream and shake their fist at the new enemy, eastasia, eurasia, whatever... it doesn't matter, and they will push a war upon us.  Those that push a nation into war are inhuman.  They are psychopaths.  If it takes a US city or 10 to be hit with nuclear weapons to get the populace to heel, so be it.  They will do it.  Get ready, we're about to hit nasty rapids, and there's a good chance we're going over a waterfall or 5 in the process. 

Do the best for your children, protect them, educate them and make a better future.  Humanity will always prevail eventually. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:17 | 4422343 jimmytorpedo
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Props to Sgt. Shaftoe for being succinct.

And the Crypto name reference

Who will do a gold backed crypto-currency?

I'm in.

Humanity will prevail.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 12:35 | 4424000 SgtShaftoe
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James Turk did a great job trying to create a independent gold backed currency, but it's only really legal in Jersey, UK.  The next few years should be interesting in cryptocurrencies.  We may even see a cryptocurrency converge with some sort of gold and silver organizations.  We shall see. 

It will get better, but it might get worse first. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:44 | 4422175 Yardfarmer
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as if these simplistic, self evident, and gratuitously obvious five lines qualify for anything of import or significance. in case you're interested the whole of the Middle East and North Africa has been embroiled in both low and high intensity conflict for the past several years. The active gruesome and highly sanguinary destabilization of Central Asia after the Soviet collapse in Afghanistan in 1979 across Brzezinski's "Arc of Crisis" has been underway for decades spreading depleted uranium mega fatalities. The hot wars throughout Africa have yielded over 100,000,000 dead over the past two decades alone. This is not to speak of the geoengineered cataclysms, scalar and weather warfare of which the public and this precious ivory towered contumacious nitwit have been most blithely unaware of for years, not to speak of the wholesale posoning of our atmosphere, land and water resources by chemtrail aerosol spraying,  the British Petroleum Deep Water Horizon oil blowout bringing to a halt the Gulf Stream current and of course the manifestly worst HAARP and Stuxnet engineered environmental tsunami catastrophe of all time with the Fukushima Daichi three core meltdown 120,000 year duration gamma radiological contamination pollution and wholesale destruction of the Pacific Ocean. and all of a sudden this petulant little temper tantrum in a teapot is supposed to animate my concern. wake up from your archaic and muddled dreams of psuedo historical and histrionic nonsense Armstrong to the real world holocaust of nightmarish depopulation armageddon sweeping the globe in irreversible apocalypse. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:16 | 4422332 FredFlintstone
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Yardfarmer, this is good. Keep going man, why stop now?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:50 | 4422490 Aquarius
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May I add that if one takes the time to look at, and read the history of the Adamic Race (White Man) and consider today's nauseous continuity of that which began back when, then one sees - easily and clearly - that those men attracted to government, serve the "collective" tribe and still dance the demonic and barbarian passions of the primitive fires.

Nothing has changed for some ~11,600 years or so, except the amount aggregated in the drooling depraved lusts for genocide of blood and gore which have become more obvious to the unwashed.

This fact alone suggests the source and or root of the problem is not new but as ancient as the White Man himself. Understand grasshopper that those Arabs, Indians and races of the Middle East, Europe or let's say, most race of the Northern Hemisphere, are *of the White Race*; and this includes both the original Sephardi and Ashkenazi Hebrews.

Yes, they are of us. Oh Aye and indeed - We enslave and Genocide our own and from birth.

Holocaust? No, just another convenient occasion for a monsterous Blood Sacrifice; And, which is called, "Wallowing in Ignorance" and "Ignoring our Humanity". Just like our claims of "excellence" in these modern times, it's just the same old shit after a bath and dressed in a suit.

Ho hum

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:22 | 4423239 Urban Redneck
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Did AnAnonymous start a blog or newsletter and not let the rest of us on it, while finding evidence of one of the lost tribes of American Citizenism in precolonial South America, while ignoring the Ramayana, Qin Wars and other events that don't conveniently jive with the timeline of Assyrian conquest?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:24 | 4423197 kurt
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Oh do go on. Tell us about flouride, medication, food additives, murder micro and macro. Tell us how media works. Particularly, why does every other TV show have somebody tied to a chair being tortured by a crazy eyed sociopathic murderer? Specifically, why is the good guy being threatened with his only hope of salvation a police authority? Over and over and over? Tell us how we actively participate in our own bondage. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:20 | 4422353 rsnoble
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Well I have news a little piss ant flare up with Syria isn't nearly large enough to get our minds off of how fucked we are.

Secondly in prior situations we didn't have the technology to blow up the earth 50k times +.

Conclusion: Fucked.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:42 | 4422453 loveyajimbo
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Armstrong is an arrogant, narcisstic meglomaniac... he HATES anyone who thinks gold is a great insurance policy... He scoffs at the possibility of rampant inflation...  if gold goes up to $2000+... he will look, even more, like a total asshole.  Chances are very good.  He spent years in the cooler for being a financial crook... getting his back door remodeled... explains much.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:44 | 4422454 BullyBearish
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They hate us for our central bank

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:04 | 4422965 akak
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Funny, so do I.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:39 | 4422921 Joe A
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Win-win for governments. They stay in power and get rid of those pesky revolting peasants.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:48 | 4422939 argennco
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For those so quick to give Mr. Armstrong the benefit of his statements that he called the high in gold - I would urge you to read the record.

Mr. Armstrong has multiple writings on gold in that period (September 2011 etc.). If you read it all, you would simply be bewildered. He said it might be a top, maybe not, maybe yes, maybe partially no, maybe partially yes. Not once was the man unequivocal until well, well after the fact. The record speaks for itself. Perform your own research before you blindly follow the pontificators. Many analysts will tell you how brilliant they are - how they predicted this, that and everything else. For the vast majority it is just a trick to take your money for their 'great' analysis.

If one should know nothing else, then know that no one, absolutely no one knows the future and that includes Martin Armstrong. Yes with a great deal of work and study, one may be correct about the future occasionally. But the vast majority of analysts are simply slick hucksters who will always tell you that they predicted this, that and so forth. (Yes you can include your wonderful Marc Faber in that category.)

Mr. Armstrong very commonly writes how he predicted so many events in the recent financial crises. I've been following his work for close to a decade now and I can tell you unequivocally - he has NOT! If you lie to your readers continuously and incesantly and in a rather derisory fashion, then a great number will succumb and actually believe you.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:35 | 4423247 Moe Howard
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Why the partial quote Tyler? The blog post wasn't much bigger, here it is:

A number of people have written with the same question – why does war come into play now? The answer is very simple. One of the benefits of establishing the most comprehensive databases that extends back thousands of years is the fact you can run studies and correlate trends. What jumps out at you from the data concerning war is very simplistic – war does not unfold when everyone is fat and happy. Turn the economy down and war rises just as we are seeing wide-scale civil unrest. These trends go hand in hand.

Government often NEEDS war because when the people get angry, they go after government. In self-defense, government ALWAYS needs to blame some other country or group. This is how Hitler went after the Jews starting with the bankers.

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