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Ron Paul Rages "Will No One Challenge Obama’s Executive Orders?"

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Submitted by Ron Paul of the Ron Paul Institute,

President Obama’s state of the union pledge to “act with or without Congress” marks a milestone in presidential usurpation of Congressional authority.  Most modern presidents have used executive orders to change and even create laws without Congressional approval. However President Obama is unusually brazen, in that most Presidents do not brag about their plans to rule by executive order in state of the union speeches.

Sadly, his pledge to use his pen to implement laws and polices without the consent of Congress not only received thunderous applause from representatives of the president’s party, some representatives have even pledged to help Obama get around Congress by providing him with ideas for executive orders. The Constitution’s authors would be horrified to see legislators actively aiding and abetting a president taking power away from the legislature.

Executive orders are perfectly legitimate and even necessary if, in the words of leading Constitutional Scholar Judge Andrew Napolitano, they “….  guide the executive branch on how to enforce a law or…complement and supplement what Congress has already done.” The problem is that most modern presidents have abused this power to issue orders that, as Judge Napolitano puts it, “restates federal law, or contradicts federal law, or does the opposite of what the federal law is supposed to do.”

Political opponents of the president rightly condemned Obama for disregarding the Constitution. However, it was not that long ago that many of the same politicians were labeling as “unpatriotic” or worse anyone who dared question President Bush’s assertions the he had the “inherent” authority to launch wars, spy on Americans, and even indefinitely detain American citizens.

Partisan considerations also make some members of the opposition party hesitate to reign in the president. These members are reluctant to set a precedent of “tying the president’s hands” that could be used against a future president of their own party.

The concentration of power in the office of the president is yet one more negative consequence of our interventionist foreign policy. A foreign policy based on interventionism requires a strong and energetic executive, unfettered by Constitutional niceties such as waiting for Congress to pass laws or declare war.  So it simply was natural, as America abandoned the traditional foreign policy of non-interventionism, for presidents to act “without waiting for Congress.” After all, the president is “commander-in-chief” and he needs to protect “national security,” they argued. Once it became accepted practice for the president to disregard Congress in foreign affairs, it was only a matter of time before presidents would begin usurping Congressional authority in domestic matters.

It should not be surprising that some of the biggest promoters of an “energetic” executive are the neoconservatives. They are also enthusiastic promoters of the warfare state. Sadly, they have misled many constitutionalists into believing that one can consistently support unchecked presidential authority in foreign policy, but limit presidential authority in domestic matters. Until it is fully understood that virtually limitless presidential authority in foreign affairs cannot coexist with strict limits on Presidential authority in domestic matters, we will never limit the power of the Presidency.

The people must also insist that politicians stop viewing issues concerning the separation of powers through a partisan lens and instead be willing to act against any president who exceeds his constitutional limitations. Thankfully we have scholars such as Louis Fisher, who has just published an important new book on presidential power, to help us better understand the Founders’ intent with regard to separation of powers. The key to achieving this goal is to make sure the people understand that any president of any party who would exceed constitutional limitations is a threat to liberty, and any member of Congress who ignores or facilitates presidential usurpation is being derelict in his Constitutional duty.


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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:49 | 4421537 quasimodo
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Anyone else hear a voice in the wildnerness?

Sure wish we had more like him

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:55 | 4421557 SilverIsKing
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Do you mind if we start the revolution after tonight's episode of The Bachelor?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:55 | 4421569 johngaltfla
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Funny thing is, I remember another "President" who issued orders like this also.

The trains then ran on time.

And he was the leader of Italy form 1922-1943.

Lots of similarities, including the way Obama juts his chin out.....

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:59 | 4421590 akak
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Lots of similarities, including the way Obama juts his chin out.....

Obamao does not jut his chin out --- he is looking down his nose while inwardly laughing at the morons who elected and continue to support him.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:03 | 4421613 InjectTheVenom
Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:13 | 4421663 bigdumbnugly
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doesn't he have a libertarian son named rand???

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:14 | 4421669 knukles
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Rand Fuckyou?
Why, I knew him in college!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:30 | 4421949 Jack Napier
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Then -- We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest.

Now -- We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved with or without Congress.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:44 | 4422007 Xibalba
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Just wondering how the NSA was created.... Oh right, Executive order 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:38 | 4422180 James_Cole
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Just wondering how the NSA was created.... Oh right, Executive order 

Yeah, being an outsider I'd been under the assumption (based on past precedence) that the entire point of the executive branch was to circumvent the congress. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:50 | 4422221 Duke of Earl
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And the courts.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:04 | 4422564 Fish Gone Bad
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Complaining about people seizing power is like zebras complaining to lions that they don't like being eaten.  The  way things change is when the victims stand up and do something about it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:11 | 4422578 bunnyswanson
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No.  How it works is the manager is taken to task by the owner who receives public backlash and threat of BOYCOTT.

Boycott lazy pussy men.  Everywhere I go, I see women standing up and taking podium.  Rarely do I see a man do it.  Are ya scaredy cats?  Pussies I mean? 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:31 | 4422800 Creepy Lurker
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Pussies? No, if they had pussies they'd actually DO something.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:56 | 4423073 fuu
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Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:00 | 4423143 Supernova Born
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Can't/or and Boner will do nothing. They are two plastic fake testicles in a neutered dog's nutsack.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:40 | 4423306 kralizec
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If Ron wants to lead an armed march on Washington, I think he'd find more support than he ever had as a professional politician.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:33 | 4423605 Joe Sixpack
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Ron Paul 2012!


Oh, ummm..., ....

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:07 | 4422566 HobbyFarmer
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Ron Paul is my President. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:49 | 4423067 Carpenter1
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NSA = Dirt on every person needed

There will be no opposition because everyone has skeletons in their closet. That's the power of a clean life, which nobody has anymore, therefore evil wins.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:48 | 4423118 cynicalskeptic
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Why do you think the warrantless wiretapping was full on BEFORE 9/11.  Collecting dirt on Congress to make sure the Patriot Act and all else would go through Congress without any opposition.

Funny how all those Bill of Rights supporting Republicans who were such vocal critics of this illegal power grab - and all the so called liberal defenders of individual rights - all caved and voted FOR what was so clearly IUNCONSTITUTIONAL - and how judges upheld it all.

Congress is increasingly irrelevant - a distraction of 'us vs. them' to give the masses the illusion of choice - while TPTB pull strings from behind the scenes.  No Presidential Candidate since Carter has run witout vetting by the CIA.  They didn't want any other President trying to rein them in.  The Bush ties are obvious - trhe Clintons - google Mena Arkansas.  Reagan (figurehead) the Bushes and Clintons are all neck deep in Iran CONTRA drug running and dirty money.  Obama's maternal family is Company as well.... grandmother worked for a CIA front firm in the Pacific - grandfather was likely a field op and mother was with USAID when they were being used in Indonesia as a cover   Lots of questions about 'where was Obama and when?' as well.  Was he working for them too?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 14:57 | 4424534 Ident 7777 economy
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-1 and w/o comment

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:36 | 4423615 Joe Sixpack
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Evil does not always win:

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:10 | 4422746 KickIce
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Supreme Court is about worthless as it has long been just another arm of the executive branch.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:40 | 4423001 A Nanny Moose
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SCOTUS is government. A bunch of unproductive high priests, to the laws of men.

What is the logic behind expecting a group of 9 people, who are appointed, and approved by the other 437, to remain dispassionate?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:07 | 4422289 Soul Glow
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Here's my personal favorite Executive Order -

The President's Working Group on Financial Markets:

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:38 | 4422438 Spumoni
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Anybody read this lately?

"IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

The Declaration of Independence, first two paragraphs.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:02 | 4422721 DaveyJones
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"it is their right, it is their duty"

if you don't hold up the second, you quickly lose the first

(and that rule also relates to the numbered amendments)

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:48 | 4422835 OC Sure
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Yes, I know it verbatum but with these corrections:

1. and of Nature's God entitle them  ...This is redundant, remove it.

2. We hold these truths to be self evident and therefore sacred  ...There, Ben and Tom are both reunited.

3. by their Creator   ...This is irrelevant and a hat tip in the wrong direction that was required then but not now.

4. ...that they are endowed with certain inalieanble rights which are derived from the fact of man's existence and the requirements of     his survival.

5. that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of PROPERTY ...Happiness is an inside job and not a right. Your rights concern freedom of your action; whether or not you can be happy with that is your business.

6.  Such has been the patient sufferance of mankind throughout all of history and such is now the necessity which contrains us to return to our former system of governemt; THE REPUBLIC WHICH WAS NOT KEPT. The repeated injuries and usurpations of our current despotism collectively controlled by an unharnessed political elite all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, we list the following petition for a redress of grievances:

[insert violations of the US Constitution here]

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:12 | 4423275 Secede Or Die
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"it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I have thrown them off in my life as much as is possible. If a few million of you will join me in personal secession, the revolution would be over soon and liberty would be restored.

Starve the beast....

Seceded or die...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:02 | 4422540 sylviasays
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Ah...good try but, the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (Public law 85-568) is the United States federal statute passed by CONGRESS that created the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:00 | 4422718 DOT
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NSA.........secret charter by executive order. Still classified. (Secret Law)

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:58 | 4423670 MontgomeryScott
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Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:33 | 4422802 Creepy Lurker
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National Security Agency - NSA

Now go back to your playstation.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:59 | 4423667 MontgomeryScott
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I direct you to the following link: The origins of the National Security Agengy -1940 - 1952 (U)

Truman issued a DIRECTIVE, as seen on page 97 of the document. This document was written by the Agency in question, and is now declassified.

Sylvia: Next time you want to play 'Fight Club', I suggest you come somewhat better-armed than you appear to be. (Classic Misdirection by Sylvia, perhaps? HMMM?)

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:59 | 4422859 Leveraged Algorithm
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You could not be a college grad - maybe Berkeley?  

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:10 | 4423085 SilverFish
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Rand Paul is no Libertarian. He's about 75% of the way there, but that other 25% is a big deal breaker.



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:34 | 4423102 dogmete
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doesn't he have a libertarian son named rand???



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:31 | 4421745 pndr4495
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GIC is also an acronym for G uaranteed I nvestment C ontract , which guarantees a return to the buyer , of principal and interest. GICs are probably Congressional scrip to keep score of who's winning and who's just bangin' 7 gram rocks. Do any elected representatives represent the interests of the average citizen in their respective states, municipalities, or districts/parishes?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:07 | 4422076 NoDebt
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It's dicey at best even at the municipal level.  Above that, forget about it.  Pure rot.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:27 | 4422130 Mister Kitty
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Listening to Ron Paul would lead to starvation.  We need sensible government.  We need anit-trust laws.  We need laws to break up the banks.  Bitches.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:03 | 4422560 sylviasays
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Starvation for the free shit army that would have to get off the bankrupt government entitlement plantation? Bring it on Ron Paul!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:18 | 4422599 CH1
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Listening to Ron Paul would lead to...

Widespread wealth.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:41 | 4422668 Johnny Cocknballs
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I took a quick look at your blog there, sport.


You're a fat, sad, lonely man in a loveless marriage, aren't you, sport?


No need to take it out on former politicians, though.  Get to a gym, stop wanking to porn and save it up for the wife, and read "End the Fed."


And stop touching children.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:26 | 4423740 Balanced Integer
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Admit it: Your blog is really based on MadLibs™.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:03 | 4427049 FreedomGuy
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So you want to give the government more power to disempower the banks which it empowers? What do you suppose the odds are that the government will favor you over wealthy bankers which it needs like a junkie needs a dealer?

I have a different suggestion. Disempower the government which actually enables the very things you seem to hate.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:13 | 4421647 knukles
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During his first campaign there was a slip by one of his idolators in the MSM, that he had been studying FDR.
And mistakenly mentioned in response to a followup question, his policies, philosophy, etc?  That no, he had been studying is public persona, the presentation, the gestures, the imagery

FDR jutted his chin out... look at some of his most famous photos...

Which fits perfectly with the proven premise of the empty suit.

Give another speech....

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:04 | 4422292 jon dough
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Nice touch, ZH, using the word if.


Gimme a fucking break, RP never RAGES.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:10 | 4422573 acetinker
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Nope, Ron never rages.  The only people, no matter their political persuasion, who get shit done are the obstreperous who have the wherewithal to go "instant asshole".

Andrew Jackson comes to mind.

Ron almost went there with Chris Wallace, but bless his heart, he just don't have it in him.  He looked like an old man in an ill-fitting suit, which he was.

The thing that makes me go hmm, though is that because I financially supported his campaign(s), I now get appeals from wannabes from all over the place.  What part of "this economy sucks" do they not understand?

We had one last chance in 2008.  It's too late now.

Well then, I reckon that we either have WWIII, or US civil war II.  US civil war II is my personal preference.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:44 | 4422675 Johnny Cocknballs
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Paul's problem was Perot's problem - he was smarter than all the reporters who were trying to discredit him at every turn, and after a while, I imagine they just wear you down.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:53 | 4422850 acetinker
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Mr. Perot, imho was most certainly capable of "instant asshole", but the country was not ready for him.  When the country was ready, Mr. Paul played "nice".

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:01 | 4421603 knukles
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"and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic....
Pure unadulterated terroristic, lawless behavior.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:27 | 4421684 Chupacabra-322
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They're a Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC, posing as a "Federal" Government of the people & by the people.

Look. It's their parchment! There's 2 Constitutions, one from 1776, one from the Act of 1871. One says for the united states. The other says OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.

They removed the organic language from the 13th Amendment of 1776 which Gaurenteed our individual rights and replaced the whole amendment in the forgery look alike.

Please tell me your aware of this? Search Trading with the Enemy Act also. That proves we lost the Constitution a long time ago, we practice commerce, that's it.

All crimes are UCC Commercial, they operate du jure under public policy, policy is NOT LAW so wipe your ass with your Constitution [Bill of Rights] and your Declaration of Independence because its just that, they don't recognise the 1776 Constitution, they replaced it with The Act of 1871, so their both toilet paper at this point. Ones in the dust bin and ones re written to become a Corporate charter which has nothing to do with your freedom. It's the exact opposite.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:18 | 4422597 MiltonFriedmans...
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Last time I checked, the entire planet and all of it's inhabitants (chattel) were wholly owned by the Vatican Inc.
So it's a mute point really. Sovereign nations my ass.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:59 | 4422716 Leaf of Tree
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Putin too?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:28 | 4422796 MiltonFriedmans...
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Russia has been Jesuit owned since they overthrew the Czar.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:42 | 4422822 Johnny Cocknballs
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You have any evidence for this, or just running interference for the folks who obviously owned Russia.

You've been brainwashed, son.  A willing, if not especially credible disinfo agent for people who actually hate you.


It ain't the Jesuits, cowboy.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:07 | 4422874 acetinker
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Any invocation of Jesus is bound to bring out the absolute worst behavior.  Why do you suppose that is?

It absolutely is the jesuits, cowboy- and their struggle with the zionists.  Both are part and parcel of the vatican, which is what makes these arguments a divine comedy.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:55 | 4423126 Johnny Cocknballs
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Let's see some of your evidence. 


I'd hate to think you'd come to a wonderful conspiracy worldview based on nothing... but disinfo to keep you chasing ghosts...


So, where's your evidence?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:47 | 4427107 acetinker
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If I gave you evidence, would you read it?  If I told you how I have come to believe what I believe, would you be swayed?

If I asked you for proof of those things you believe, could you give me evidence?

If I claimed that the relationship of Microsoft and Google is very similar to the relationship of the Jesuit and the Zionist, could you refute it?

The evidence is, well, self-evident.  That is all.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:51 | 4422844 weburke
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Jesuits dont rule. and the czar, was after all, part of a dynasty which included all the elements of dy-NASTY. serfs, oh yes, and for centuries. Look, they are quite proud of their centuries long effort to take over the planet, and yes, they are really ok with murder. You are not going to be able to type them out of existence or out of power.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:58 | 4422861 weburke
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cherabim and seraphim me boy. Thats who they liken themselves to be. old families that like to think they are in the old egypt and persian lineages. Just watch the show, and make yourself safe from the depopulation efforts. (move to boston)

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:32 | 4422916 vie
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I keep seeing Boston and Colorado as areas that seem to be "illuminati" strongholds.  Why do you say Boston, just curious?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:45 | 4422936 weburke
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Colorado eh? Well, although the airport is very unusual, to say the least, and colorado springs is the most fortified location perhaps anywhere, and the queen moved her treasures to the mountain caves in the early nineties, does not make me feel it is safe. The two locations reccomended by ............, was new england, and southern switzerland and the land to the south of it.  That said, upon looking, there are evidences that support. Not now, but when you think it is time.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:14 | 4423141 Johnny Cocknballs
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First of all, the jewish/zionist efforts on the web to keep the eyes off them and on the "jesuits" is obvious to those of us who actually have a background.  The Jesuits are about 3,000 mostly old men, they have no power.

Who does have power are Knights of Malta, who aren't truly Catholic, and the Knights Sub Rosa, basically meaning hidden knights, which just refers to the Knights Templar, who ceased being military long ago, but do have people in high places.  

The Vatican does have treasures taken from the Temple - and they were made mosly of copper, not gold. 

But who really has power is Opus Dei.  They are secular, and they do jot have to be poor or pacifist.


But they do have to be batshit crazy.  Not especially dangerous or into world power though, more like Old Catholic in outlook, and super into novenas and vespers and such.   Probably a drag to talk to at parties, but not ruling the world behind the scenes.


You three clowns think conspiracies are these dark hidden things and you get a thrill from special knowledge.  For the most part, the best lace to hide is out in the open....


PNAC, Rahm Emannuel, Richard Perle, the heads of the irs, treasury, cbo, cftc, fdic, national economic council, recent past heads of imf and world bank...  recent chiefs of staff...

ot jesuit, not even catholic, and not behaving in ways that comport with catholic dogma.  No the people in those positions, who arehalf the millionaires, who donate half or more the money to campaigns , who are under-represented in the military but over-represented in think tanks and lobby groups...  those people, and that ideology is the unhidden hand.  It's not hidden, but you can't talk about it.... to learn who rules over you , determine who you can't criticize

But you know all this, And I know you know all this.


I'm just asking you to up your game.  At least be interesting, by gum!








Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:33 | 4423042 silvermail
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Russia did not depose the king. Tsar in Russia was overthrown by Western powers, via hands his protege - Ulyanov Lenin. Revolution in Russia prepares in the Geneva, Bern, Berlin, London and Zurich. This favorite places of Lenin, where he has received all the money, help and support.

The propaganda of faux news can not replace the knowledge of history.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:33 | 4423156 Random
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True dat, and the one before. The real power lies with the Papacy, not with the "all powerful redshields". When you have an institution that was the de-facto inheritor of the Roman Empire that was the richest empire of all time - at that time ofc (by looting all of the Mediterranean basin and parts of Asia - Armenia, Georgia, parts of the Persian empire for hundred and in some parts for over a thousand years) how can you compare that to a 17th century hustler like Redshield? Don't forget also that the Papacy (in addition to 90%+ of the monarchs of Europe) fully owns England, Scotland and Ireland (see John Lackland treaty with the Papacy) and through England (and later via the British Empire) it also owned and still owns (FROM THE START) the North American colonies and via Spain and Portugal the rest of the Americas + vast areas in Africa and Asia. Since 1917 the papacy also controls the Russian empire (including all the afiliated STANS) and since 1940s also Central and Eastern Europe.


This is where all the power (temporal) and money lies.


Edit: a bit of clarification about the Roman empire.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:01 | 4422725 acetinker
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I can guarantee you this-  None of those who downvoted you have ever been to court.  Yet, they feel qualified to "judge". 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:58 | 4422709 acetinker
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Chup, the other day knucks went on a crusade to revile me.  I had made reference to where I live, and he/she decided to go into attack mode.

I'm not offended, at all.  My reputation is not threatened.

This is the thing I wonder about;  Why does knucks get so many upvotes?   Should I even be here?  Pretty sure knucks would answer no.

OK, I'll just cut to the chase- Has ZH become a refuge for the LGBT community?  Funny, I don't even give a shit.

It's not good enough that I am ambivalent.  Oh no!  I must embrace and encourage this activity.  I don't.  If ambivalence is not good enough, fuck 'em.

And fuck knuks.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:28 | 4422791 acetinker
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Oh, and let me say that the trannies don't even belong in this group.  A true tranny is a creature of God.  Why?  'Cause they didn't choose.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:42 | 4422826 Johnny Cocknballs
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No, you should not be here.



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:18 | 4422891 acetinker
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Knukles's army are you?  Lemme ask you something.  How are you gonna procreate?  Scientifically?  You gonna be able to outrun the natural reproduction of your immigrant population?  This is gonna be fun to watch.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:49 | 4423170 Random
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Johny, your arguments that the jews (and by that i assume you are talking about the banksters and their ilk) are the masters of this world (via FED, Bank of England, BIS et all) are inconsistent from a histrical point of view. Please elighten me where did the old money go? By old money i mean the old Roman/Italian families (and i'm not even talking about Ancient Rome, i am talking about Borgia family, Venetian corporations, sack of Constantinople/Jerusalem).

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 00:12 | 4446878 acetinker
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Johnny, You're already extinct.  You just don't know it, yet.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:46 | 4422834 Spumoni
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Well, an upvote from Chuxknux is a pretty scary thing. That is the narrowest view on the planet, that is.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:19 | 4421691 Unknown User
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You just described Congress.  In which case, Obama should take a cue from imperial presidents like Bush Jr. and Reagan.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:22 | 4421920 Ungaro
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"ability"??? I just spit my coffee all over my keyboard. What ability? To read the telePrompter? Impeachable offenses, yes, but the next clown at 1600 Penn may be even worse, if the trend holds. Congress is a worthless bunch of windbags and anyone we elect is either immediately corrupted or marginalized. The system is broken and it cannot be fixed. We need a new system.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:02 | 4422556 Crisismode
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Hillary is coming to a White House near you.


Read it and weep.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 19:57 | 4425848 Jendrzejczyk
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It remains to be seen, but that is a reality that powerful and rich persons have decided will come true.

If you don't like the thought of that, you'd better get busy.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:46 | 4422203 ejmoosa
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Yes, POTUS is surrounded by people who also swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Yet not one has taken ANY steps to halt these clear violations of the US Constitution.

I used to wonder how Hitler was able to get so much power without anyone speaking up to halt the rise in power.

Today, I am getting a chance to witness fisrt hand just how it happens.



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:06 | 4422735 DaveyJones
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it's almost as if...people are the same everywhere...that history repeats itself.....and that most places fall because the arrogant think it could never happen to them.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:28 | 4422790 hobopants
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The scary thing is what happens next. It seems like with every revolution the only thing the partcipants can agree on is their dislike of the current system, but ask them what should happen next and you will get a million different answers. I'm afraid people will conflate the current mess of a government with the one laid out by the founders and dismiss both. Middle class revolutions work well (American rev). Working class / welfare class revolutions turn out horrible (French / Russian).

If history is any guide It seems like we would go full retard collectivist / socialist and end up deep in the shit.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:46 | 4422836 Spumoni
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Yeah, where's Joe Hill when you need 'im?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:06 | 4422815 ejmoosa
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What have we become?  A lawless nation spending trillions of dollars because we have the full faith and credit of the US behind the borrowing?  

How can anyone have faith in a nation which rerwites it's laws on the fly, based upon the winner of a popularity contest? Are you going to slave yourselves to pay these debts?  Because that is who is going to have to pay them off.  YOU.

Just how much more are you going to tolerate?





Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:10 | 4422879 zebrasquid
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Military sworn to protect the Constitution, too.
Checkmate, Presidente Wannabe..

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:09 | 4421615 ZerOhead
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With Congressional approval ratings at all-time lows he should just go for the gold and use his new Presidential powers to abolish Congress like his major financers are advising him.

I'm sure it's OK... after all he's a Constitutional expert as well as a lawyer you know...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:28 | 4421735 Chupacabra-322
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Constitution was officially suspended in 1933. We have been in a perpetual state of war since because thats how they keep their power and don't have to return back to the Constitution. That parchments a piece of shit anyway. Its a Corporation paper to enslave us by bonding us as stock, or chattel.

Weve been in soft Martial Law ever since. Go check it out. Act of 1871.

They call them Acts post defacto because their on a stage in costume playing a roll. They aren't allowed to call them laws.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:11 | 4422317 Soul Glow
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All this bullshit beauracracy won't hold up when people get hungry.  And it won't be pitchforks on DC - people will forget about DC.  They will raise local militias and grow gardens in their front yards.  They will trade in silver.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:01 | 4422547 Chupacabra-322
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Feb. 10, 2014, 3:16 p.m. EST
U.S. to suspend pension, retirement funding: Lew

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew told Congressional leaders Monday that he is taking two extraordinary measures to avoid hitting the debt limit. In a letter, Lew said he will suspend debt issuance for the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund and not invest fully in the Government Securities Investment Fund of the Federal Employees' Retirment System. Lew said that the actions were taken "during previous debt-limit impasses," and that both funds "will be made whole once the debt limit is increased." Federal retirees and employees will be unaffected by these actions, he said.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:06 | 4423134 UselessEater
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"Story Not Found

The story you requested could not be found."

where'd it go? want a copy if possible.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:07 | 4422738 DaveyJones
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well, if he's a lawyer, then I trust him 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:55 | 4423010 vulcanraven
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Last time I checked, congress has already been abolished.

Impotent and inept as they ever were...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:11 | 4421635 shutdown
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No comparison whatsoever. In fact, such a comparison is insulting.

Mussolini was a patriot and national hero. Italy was for italians back then and that's the way it should've stayed. I was there back in '86 and there were actual live Italians living and working in Rome. No, I'm not kidding. Real Italians. It was pretty neat.

Place is a slimy Third World dump today, much like all American cities. 

This Nigerian Kenyan is a full blown clown. Even most of those who voted for him don't like him. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:30 | 4421733 Buckaroo Banzai
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Everything Obama touches turns to shit. Mussolini was awful but there are still people alive in Italy today who openly admire Mussolini because of the land reforms he initiated, which gave thousands of landless peasants an opportunity to build a future.

This is NOT an endorsement of Mussolini. Just an observation that even that shitbag couldn't help doing some actual good. Obama is remarkable in that he does absolutely nothing that can be construed as a long term benefit to ANYBODY, except of course certain foreign and financial interests.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:51 | 4421812 The Gooch
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Bundler = "Ambassador".

We're all Norwegians now.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:10 | 4422747 DaveyJones
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and with Amtrak, the trains will never run on time

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:07 | 4422083 piceridu
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Funny thing..this is what happened to the Italian:


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:30 | 4422630 EINSILVERGUY

I noticed that as well. Look at old video of Mussolini giving speeches to the masses in Rome.

I started referring to Obama as Il Duce since I started noticing he has this same pompous and arrogant jutting of his chin

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:45 | 4422828 Joenobody12
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Hope Dear Leader end up like him.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:58 | 4421572 HyBrasilian
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We tried... Now we just STACK... [bullets & nickles bitchez!]...


BTW ~ We 'THANK' you 4 the last 5 years of 'hope & change' [where you were able to double your paper nothingness whilst we STACKED]...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:59 | 4421583 kaiserhoff
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Thought experiment:

How would the lame stream media react, if a Republican president used the State of the Union Address to declare himself dictator? 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:03 | 4421617 LawsofPhysics
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Is he white or hispanic?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:09 | 4421636 kaiserhoff
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I was thinking maybe Latino lesbian, not that it matters;)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:21 | 4421700 knukles
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Oh come on, everybody knows he was born in the British Protectorate of East Africa, went to school somewhere with no trail of grades in a foreign student scholarship claiming citizenry from Indonesia or Kenya (Nobody can even keep this shit straight, FFS, at least GW was from Texas) and his mom registered him as alive (like getting a fucking ID card, I hear tell) in Hawaii, studied under Sol Alinski, Cloward and Piven, had as a close friend a designated terrorist, Bill Ayres and had innumerable affiliations with sketchy folks, politicians and entities in Chicago....
I mean come on, he was a Chicago politician and anybody lived there, like me, knows what that means and it ain't sainthood.
So he may be many things, but probably not a Lesbian, Kaiser.
In fact, many folks think him male of other persuasions and his wifie a tranny...
Which I do not completely believe.
Just don't shoot the messenger.

Just repeatin' what I heard from more than one source.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:30 | 4421737 HyBrasilian
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Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:15 | 4421895 BandGap
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He touted he was a Fulbright Scholar.

You don't attend US Universities on a Fulbright Scholarship UNLESS you are foreign born.

I applied for a Fulbright Scholarship in 1989 as a US citizen. I HAD TO STUDY ABROAD. Get it?

Anyone with shit for brains knew what was going on. No one cared, no one said dick.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:45 | 4422199 FreedomGuy
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I suspect the biggest scandal for Obama is hidden in his hidden college records. Who the hell protects their records like he does apart from a scandal? If he had straight A's, perfect attendance and a brilliant thesis do you think he would hide it or parade it?

My best guess from other readings is that he registered as a foreign student, never attended any classes, probably nearly flunked most his classes and was an (un)Equal Opportunitist.

He touts ten years teaching Constitutional Law. Ten years? Can anyone name or find a single published work in those ten years? He should have had a PhD. He never really elucidates any deep thinking on the Constitution, even on this area, executive orders. Pretty lousy for ten years. I bet I could do a weekend course and know more than he does. Where are all his students singing his praises for ten years of teaching? In fact, where are the detractors? Where are any witnesses that he was there?

Obama is a fraud, beginning, middle and end. He is an empty suit who does not know how to actually do anything except get over, get by and get other peoples' stuff.

It would not be so terrible except for the large numbers of people who support such a poser.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:13 | 4422588 Wahooo
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That is the most concise enumeration of grievances against that
mutherfucker I have ever read. I hope you don't mind the flattery of further distribution.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:49 | 4422839 gafgroocK
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Whelp, he did get an "A" in Teleprompter...just sayin'...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4421906 lakecity55
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Knux, you forgot the two years at Patrice Lumumba U while he was supposedly at Columbia (where he was never seen except once or twice).

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:30 | 4422154 Buckaroo Banzai
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You forgot that he was born to a Muslim father (which makes him permanently Muslim by Islamic law), raised by a Muslim stepfather, and attended Muslim school.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:21 | 4422358 chemystical
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"In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you.  And once a Muslim, always a Muslim."

Debbie Schlussel.   Oy the fucking irony from someone whose own religion has the same restriction with regard to the mother.  (Your paternity was in question until the advent of DNA testing, but yuor maternity has never been).  Why, she could even take her right of return and goosestep straight to Haifa for automatic citizenship.…e-a-muslim-always-a-muslim

P.S. one of my co-workers is Muslim and just txtd me that Sharia Law provides for apostasy at age 14.  So, Schlussel is full of shit as far as I know.  But I'm sure that a Jewess knows more about Islam than does my Muslim co-worker.  Just turn on the boob tube and listen to jew du jour tell you that.



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:47 | 4422483 Homernomics
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Lt. Worf is a tranny?


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:14 | 4421665 akak
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Um, "Hispanic" is an ethnicity (actually, a number of different ethnicities), not a race.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:25 | 4421713 knukles
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Ain't that close enough that he's got us in a race to the bottom?
Imagine 3 more years down the road.
Jimmy Carter looks grand.
So does W, for that matter
Hillbillary will be seen a relief!
At least at first.

Marxism galore... the peasantry led to glorious starvation by the wealthy

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:30 | 4421950 The_Dude
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Someone help me....what is "Latino" again?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:48 | 4422204 FreedomGuy
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Latino, chicano, many names do we need and why are they treated as one group with one opinion?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:47 | 4422013 krispkritter
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But Zimmerman was a White Hispanic! (my Cuban neighbors still laugh at that shit)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:37 | 4422423 TheReplacement
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Call him Zimmerman, white hispanic.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:50 | 4421818 The Gooch
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Like Paulson?


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:09 | 4422744 OC Sure
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"Do you mind if we start the revolution after tonight's episode of The Bachelor?"

Unfortunately, the 2nd American Revolution requires a 2nd Enlightment first. RP knows this very well and its why he is busy doing battle in the arena of ideas and persuasion. A revolt against something is entirely different than a revolt for something. Do you know 5 people that know what the structure of the Constitution is and why it is as such? ...Let alone what an executive order is?

What can you find faster? 10 people who know 10 people that know the first 10 amendments off the top of their head or 100 people that know 100 people who have fantasy sports leagues on their mind all the time with all their favorite "heros'" statistics and probabilities on the tip of their tongues?


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:57 | 4421564 ZH Snob
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it's almost seems as if they is no REAL oppostion in politics, doesn't it?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:11 | 4421660 NotApplicable
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Silly snob, politics isn't real!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:09 | 4422084 Spanky
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Red & blue team politics aren't real, but politics is war by other means.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:47 | 4422678 Milestones
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Read agreat post today on the subject--"Politicians and politics is just show business for ugly people" I cracked up laughing. Would attribute to the poster if I could remember him.             Milestones

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:01 | 4421587 NoDebt
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I think converative voices are quickly losing critical mass.

You can pick the time it started to turn the last handfull of decades, but where the battle was originally lost was in academia.  When education was lost to conservative ideas, everything else was lost along with it.  This is just the inevitable outcome of that process.

Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.  We were not vigilant.  And you can watch freedom evaporating in far less than a single lifetime, right in front of our eyes.  I hope all those precious "government entitlements" and "government protections" were worth it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:19 | 4422606 sylviasays
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Conservative voices are being drowned out by leftist voices who are promising the free shit army ever more "free" entitlements in exchange for their votes. It doesn't help when there are millions of immigrants, both legal and illegal, who pouring into the U.S. from countries where they are used to corrupt dictators. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:43 | 4422825 KickIce
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The problem is conservatives have little to no represenation in DC.  Both parties are in a contest to see who can give away the most to buy votes.  I have heard, not sure it's true but it makes sense, that a political party runs into trouble when it's politician's views are to the left of its supporters.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:04 | 4421607 Mandel Bot
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It is very clear that most people here on ZH think that Ron Paul has got it right and has been preaching the truth for three decades (to a deaf audience). Why do we get it while the rest of the population is oblivious?

Could it be that most Americans don't give a shit so long as they can watch NFL or The Bachelor?

I fear we are doomed.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:12 | 4421633 akak
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1) Because most people are ignorant of the historical/political/financial truths that are common knowledge here;

2) Because most people are deep down looking for a free ride and a handout, and whether consciously or subconsciously they realize that the pro-freedom, anti-big government agenda would mean the end of those handouts and free rides;

3) And most of all, because most people are moral and intellectual cowards.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:03 | 4422065 seek
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4) Everyone in a position of power within the government and media works diligently at maintaining 1)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:33 | 4422157 shovelhead
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Don't blame me...

I'm just looking for a haircut and a blowjob.

Not necessarily in that order either.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:50 | 4422484 Tall Tom
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I understand your sarcasm.


But the truth is that people who seek that will get the ass pounding instead...without the obligatory reach around.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:18 | 4422220 Drifter
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4) Because Americans have become soft lazy gutless cowards not worthy of rights nor freedom because they won't defend them, deserving slavery, and getting slavery now.

Why bitch sheeple?  You're getting what you deserve.

Founders never said defend the constitution.    They said defend your rights.  

But you haven't done that since the civil war, and the confederacy was the only ones doing it then.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:14 | 4421675 NotApplicable
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All anyone has ever cared about is "I'ma gonna get mine."

Then they look to who they think will supply it for them.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:51 | 4421814 Rusty Shorts
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Ron Paul 2012

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:10 | 4421882 lakecity55
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The really really bad thing is you may be right.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:01 | 4421842 fauxhammer
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That's just his "schtick"

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:16 | 4421890 Raging Debate
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God bless the man, sometimes you cannot win and only slow the decent. The requires real dignity and sacrifice.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:34 | 4422643 Leaf of Tree
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He didn't slow shit.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:16 | 4422109 steelhead23
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To be mildly critical of Ron Paul's voice in the wilderness - y'know, the boy ain't no 18 yo virgin when it comes to legislatin.  His parting remarks are that We the People shouldn't let the Executive steal the Legislative Branch's thunder.  Huh?  The various branch's powers are enumerated in the U.S. Constitution.  Where should the U.S. Congress go to get the Constitution limits of Executive powers enforced?  The Congress could either use the power of the purse to constrain presidential prerogatives - or they could sue the bastard in court when he exceeds his Constitutional authority.  Lamenting that the president stole your lunch money is simply whining.  The truth is, and Mr. Paul knows this full well - the U.S. Congress is pathologically unwilling to take a risk.  The biggest risk is taking a stance that loses you an election.  Then there's power and prestige.  Nope, the U.S. Congress will not react aggressively to the president's kicking sand in their collective faces because they are paralyzed by fear.  Fear is a bipartisan motivator.

I happen to like Ron Paul and would happily vote for him, but he often comes off as a whiner rather than a 'git 'er dun, kinda guy.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:49 | 4422215 chemystical
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"The truth is, and Mr. Paul knows this full well - the U.S. Congress is pathologically unwilling to take a risk. The biggest risk is taking a stance that loses you an election."

You could cut to the chase and instead write that the biggest risk is taking a stance that loses their kosher-approval stamp.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:27 | 4422139 rubiconsolutions
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I agree with Ron Paul on a lot of issues but where was he on this issue when he was in congress and Bill Clinton issued 364 EO's and George W. Bush issued 291 EO's? Those issued by Bush especially post 9/11 were draconian in scope setting the stage for the present police state and nobody said a damned thing including Ron Paul.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:12 | 4422319 Buckaroo Banzai
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Go back and check. Ron Paul was a vocal non-supporter of most everything that Bush2 did. He was out of congress for half of the Clinton administration.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:01 | 4422535 Tall Tom
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You are so correct about that.


You needed to also point out that the press did not give him as much exposure (Air Time) until he made the decision to run for the Presidency in 2008.


He, like most other 435 US Representatives, did not get anything but local exposure...IF THAT.


That saved rubiconsolutions from earning the "dreaded" downarrow because I know the reason behind his ignorance.


He got his news from the TeeVee. Hopefully he knows better now.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:30 | 4422152 Occams_Chainsaw
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Reminds me of 'Man in the Wilderness' by STYX.....

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:25 | 4422381 manofthenorth
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All this lawlessness will continue untill blood spills. They have no fear that the people will retake the power that belongs to them.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:04 | 4423256 j0nx
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I love how Boner complains about Obama's changing of the mandate yesterday yet does nothing about it. I love how CONgress in general complains about it but then gives him a standing fucking ovation after his speech at the SOTU where he said that he will be bypassing CONgress from here on out. Every single R in that room should have turned their backs on him and walked out of that room and moved to another room where they started impeachment proceedings. These Republicans are gutless turds.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:51 | 4421542 Oldballplayer
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My Congressman, Neal (D) of Mass always starts off his speeches to the kids with, "I served with Presidents, not for them."

I guess not any more.

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