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There It Is: Obamacare Employer Mandate Delayed For Companies With Under 100 Employees

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Just as we predicted it would happen, here it comes:


Specifically, according Bloomberg, businesses with 50-99 workers have until 2016 before being penalized for not providing health-care coverage to full-time workers, according to final regulations released by Treasury.

Additionally, businesses with 100 employees or more must offer coverage to at least 70% of full-time workers in 2015 and 95% in 2016; those that don’t will face penalty;  Exemption in place for seasonal workers, those defined as generally at jobs 6 mos. or less/yr "While about 96 percent of employers are not subject to the employer responsibility provision, for those employers that are, we will continue to make the compliance process simpler and easier to navigate,” Asst Secretary for Tax Policy Mark J. Mazur says in statement e-mailed by Treasury. Furthermore, businesses with less than 50 employees are not required to provide coverage or fill out any forms in 2015.

Sure enough, the republicans were ready at the trigger:

Why is this not surprising? Recall what we said a few short days ago:

... the only reason why Obama is suddenly willing to compromise over every aspect of his "crowning achievement" is that finally its tactical, and strategic failure has become clear for all to see. So it would be best to enact it piecemeal, and claim success for whatever legacy aspects of the system are working, while blasting everything that his unprecedentedly complicated, centrally-planned contraption has unleashed.


Finally, why three years? Because by then Obama will be gone (absent some very radical changes to presidential term rules), and Obamacare will be someone else's problem.

Then again Hillarycare sounds so much better than Christiecare.

And so Obama's crowning achievement is just a little less crowning. However, the true negative impact will be borne not by the current president but his successor... who will likely do the same and extend the full provisions indefinitely as well, as the last thing the struggling economy needs right now, as we have not tired of explaining for the past two years, is, well, Obamacare.


More color via Washington Post,

The Treasury Department rolled out Monday afternoon more tweaks to the health care law's requirement that all large employers--those with 50 or more workers--provide insurance coverage to their workers. This is the part of Obamacare was supposed to take effect at the start of 2014, but was delayed by the White House this past summer as the White House was facing significant push back from employers.

In today's final rule, the Obama administration is essentially relaxing the employer mandate for 2015--in a big way for medium-sized businesses, and a smaller way for the largest employers. Here's a rundown of the key changes.

1. Employers with between 50 to 99 employees get another year of transition.

The Obama administration will give medium-sized businesses another year's pass on providing insurance coverage to workers. Treasury estimates that about 2 percent of American businesses fall into this category, but does not have numbers on how many people work for businesses of this size. For these companies, the employer mandate does not take effect until 2016.

Employers who want to take advantage of this particular exemption will need to certify with the federal government that they are not cutting back on positions just to fall below the threshold. "It's simply so they don't game the system," one senior administration official told reporters on a phone call this afternoon. "They have to certify they're not doing that and not dropping their coverage."

2. Employers with 100 or more workers aren't required to cover everyone.

Previous regulations had required large employers to offer coverage to 95 percent of full-time employees to be considered in compliance with the employer mandate. Today, Treasury is ratcheting that requirement back: Large companies that offer coverage to 70 percent of their employees will be counted as fulfilling the employer mandate. This is a transitional measure and, by 2016, large employers will need to hit the original, 95 percent target. Treasury estimates another 2 percent of American businesses fall into this category, with more than 100 employees, but again, we don't have numbers on how many workers those companies employ.

3. Volunteers won't be counted as full-time employees.

There had been some tussling on Capitol Hill over whether certain volunteers - mostly volunteer firefighters - would count as full-time employees, for purposes of the health care law. Today's rule clarifies that they do not count as employees--which eliminates any incentives to get rid of volunteer positions.

There are other, smaller tweaks in the new Treasury rule that deal mostly with how, exactly, employers are supposed to count how many hours employees work (for seasonal workers, for example, or teachers, this can actually be a pretty difficult task.)

It's hard to to know how many people will be impacted by these changes since there isn't great data on how many people work for the different-sized employers.


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Does this mean, according to inevitable WaPo fluff piece follow up to its ode to unemployment, that millions of workers will no longer get the privilege of being untethered from their jobs?


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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:25 | 4421140 Lagging Indicator
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So, the president can legislate as long as his name is on the bill?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:30 | 4421150 remain calm
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My company has 103 eployees i guess we will fire 3 to get relief. I am sorry but thank the dickhead we elected president. He knows best

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:33 | 4421169 HyBrasilian
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BECAUSE: < than 100 'OBAMACare'

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:36 | 4421184 max2205
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Super, now stawxks can rally till Barry goes to Hawaii permanently

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:39 | 4421197 El Oregonian
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Die! you piece of crap law, DIE!!!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:40 | 4421205 Shocker
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So temporary relief to some of the Small businesses. But in the end its the same game

Layoff List:


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:41 | 4421213 nuclearsquid
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I try not to be cynical, but this reeks of careful orchestration.  or utter stupidity.  Its like they responded to the 29.5 hour part time critizism with the most narrowly defined actioin possible, extending the excruciation out one bit at a time.  There is no longer a shred of me that thinks this is about the election.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:52 | 4421245 wee-weed up
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Yep, Democrat congresscritters are dyin' out there...

Because of ObozoCare.

They desperately need any shred of help they can get in the 2014 elections!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:54 | 4421265 ElvisDog
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This will have the opposite effect - it will make people even more disgusted with Obamacare.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:11 | 4421370 f16hoser
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Seriously, all kidding aside, why do we have a Congress??? Anyone??? (crickets, crickets)

Laws passed but not adheared too. Don't you just love our Communist Government that picks and choses which laws to enforce? We are truely a "Banana Republic" / Thanx to both the Democrat and Republican Leaders. You truely are pieces of SHIT!!!!!!

Call me when the Revolution starts. Unavoidable now.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:20 | 4421405 gmrpeabody
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Uhhh..., fuck if I know.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:57 | 4421577 Beam Me Up Scotty
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It's another JobZ program. 535 more people on the job paying their taxes (well maybe not).

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:23 | 4421419 knukles
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Pure unadulterated lawlessness.
Congress passes a law crafted by the sponsoring companies under the guise of fairness, inclusiveness, diversity and whatever other crap they claim, none of which is true in the least, is signed into law by the president who then modifies said law at whim essentially making Congress moot and unnecessary, neither with any of the powers bestowed or emboldened, making a complete mockery out of the entire fucking originally pretty damned good system.

And they expect us to abide by the laws which they ignore.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:48 | 4421524 NoDebt
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And I thought they called Reagan the "teflon president."  This guy's got Reagan absolutely SMOKED in that comparison.  To borrow a comment from another ZH'er a while back "he could shoot a 10 year old blind girl dead in the Rose Garden and nothing would happen to him."

He is our elected dictator for the next 3 years.  Get used to it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:20 | 4421695 Van Halen
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You think it's bad now, wait till Hillary ascends the throne.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:33 | 4421727 mofreedom
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ChrispyCare sounds better to me, cause I love everything fried.

Anywho, if the president's name sounds like it may bleed it can't lead, which Chris Christie can't (and he must bleed X two)...he's only a follower of some pond scum.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:25 | 4421925 nmewn
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Ahhh, I see King Selfie has issued another decree...well lets see now, what else happened today for this to distract everyones attention, as lawless as it is.

Why, here it is, the other shiny ball in the air:

TUCSON, Ariz. -- A man convicted in the shooting death of a federal Border Patrol agent during a firefight that revealed the government's botched gun-smuggling investigation known as Operation Fast and Furious was sentenced Monday to 30 years in prison.

Manuel Osorio-Arellanes, who is from El Fuerte in the Mexican state of Sinaloa, is the only person to be convicted in the Dec. 14, 2010, shooting death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry near the Arizona-Mexico border.

U.S. District Court judge David C. Bury handed down the sentence, 360 months with credit for time served."

Well, this is very odd indeed, I'm not seeing anyone under Holder being indicted for facillitating strawman gun purchases (a felony, depending whether done at a federally liscensed dealer, a federal offense) or international gun smuggling (another felony and most definitely federal).

Bow deeply to your masters you patriotic slaves bearing arms in service to your King & his Court and know that if you are killed, they'll only get 30yrs, with credit for time served.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:08 | 4422883 StychoKiller
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360 Months = 10 years

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:20 | 4423237 nmewn
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360 divided by 12 (one year) = 30...but you're probably right, he'll do ten or less when someone drops his guts out on the prison floor with a shiv.

Thats generally how they try to kill truth these days, lock it away, snuff it out and hope it stays buried forever.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:31 | 4421454 Jugdish
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"Call me when the Revolution starts. Unavoidable now"


Why don't you start the revolution Joe Stack ? You get the call everyday but you don't answer.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:20 | 4421697 InjectTheVenom
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screw Joe Stack !  I'LL start it !!   (after the American Idol finale)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:28 | 4422135 SDShack
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I predicted this month's ago. The fact that 0zer0 did it shows how desperate the dumbcrats have become. The bottom line is, NO delay is going to stop the trainwreck that is coming this fall. The die has been cast. 0zer0care has obliterated the risk pools and that is begining the Insurance Death Spiral. Insurance Execs everyday are saying they have to raise rates because they are mandated to offer Cover Everything plans, but only the sick are signing up, not the young invincables. It doesn't matter that the Employee Mandate is delayed. Double digit increases for EVERYONE is already being planned because the risk pools have been obliterated. By this summer the Insurance Companies will re-calculate the new rates based on these new risk pools. The will ask for a bailout from 0zer0 for losses ALREADY incured in 2014 as mandated by 0zer0care, and 0zer0 will have to bail them out. If he doesn't the Insurance Companies will sue, and win and that will completely destroy 0zer0care. Then in October open enrollment, everyone is going to see their premiums rise double digits in anticipation of 2015, which will have even worse risk pools because of the employer mandate delay extension. This is the death spiral. It will continue to get worse every year, and there is nothing 0zer0 can do to stop it because this is all being driven by the Insurance Companies now and the risk pools. Eventually, the Insurance Companies will throw the dumbcrats under the bus to protect themselves. The wipe out of the dumbcrats in 2014 is going to be epic unless the repukes save them with something equally stupid like amnesty.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:29 | 4422622 wee-weed up
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I agree, but never underestimate Boner's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! He's done it so many times before!

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:32 | 4423292 kralizec
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You mean like on illegals, the debt ceiling and the budget?

Yes, the Great Weeping Carrot bends over easier than a streewalker.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:41 | 4421492 Leveraged Algorithm
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Just the law?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:55 | 4422036 Chupacabra-322
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Laws do not exist. Get it through your think skulls. Only UCC Universal Commercial Codes, Acts, Ordinances & Statutes.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:01 | 4422047 BraveSirRobin
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I the Obama, of the People's Democratic Republic of Obama, in order to create a more perfect Obama, establish injustice, domestic intraquility, provide for my defense, promote my general welfare, and secure money you have for myself and my cronies, because you didn't build that, do ordain this constitution for the People's Democratic Republic of Obama.

Article I:

There shall be a congress whose members shall be selected by me. The congress shall be in session when I declare it to be in session, and not in session when I say so. It shall pass all laws as I instruct it. Should congress pass a law and I sign it, I may change that law or enforce or not enforce that law as I desire. Should congress fail to act, I may pass a law by executive order and change, enforce, or not enforce such orders as I desire.

Article II:

There shall be a president, and I shall be him. The president shall have such powers and privileges as he so desires.

Article III:

There shall be a Supreme Court, whose members shall be appointed by me. They can pronounce anything they like, as I shall ignore everything they do if it pleases me.

Bill of My Rights:

1. I shall respect no religion, and prohibit the free exercise thereof as I desire. I may abridge the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2. A well regulated Militia, being a threat to my security and power, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be tolerated.

3. No Soldier, in time of peace or war, shall be quartered in any house if he should criticize or think ill of me.

4. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall be violated as I desire, and no Warrants shall need be issued.

5. Any person may be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; and shall have private property taken for my use, without just compensation, as I deem, because you didn't build that.

6. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall not enjoy the right to a speedy or public trial, and may be detained indefinitely without trial if I deem them to be a terrorist or other malcontent.

7. In suits at common law, I may deem my agencies and representatives, and I myself, immune from all actions and rulings, nor do we need to respond to subpoena or court order of any kind.

8. Excessive bail shall be required if I deem it so, as well as excessive fines imposed, and cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, as I desire.

9. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to apply to any person other than myself.


10. The powers not delegated to me, nor prohibited by me, are reserved to me

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 08:32 | 4431701 Kobe Beef
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excellent work.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:20 | 4421699 unrulian
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A different version of the state of the union, the truth:



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:28 | 4421933 nwowatcher911
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Don't forget to count these too:


Fukushima Radiation causing U.S. Insurance Companies to EXCLUDE all Coverage for Radiation Claims




Worldwide cancer cases expected to soar by 70% over next 20 years:


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:43 | 4421224 Seasmoke
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actually you guys need to fire 4 can thank me later

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:57 | 4421268 SilverIsKing
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Just create a second corporation and move the 4 over.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:07 | 4421341 Seasmoke
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Actually then they can have 49 in company A and 49 in company B and cover nobody !!!!!......but of course then they will have to fire 5 employees. 



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:31 | 4421438 knukles
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Then make a third company within each they have 34.333 employees none of which need be fired, but just for shits and grins, put 'em all on part time and tell them they now enjoy the Privilege Bestowed Upon Them of Not Having to Work too Much as Envisioned by Dear Boy Leader & Co.

Forward Marxism

And since each company employs a .3333 person, it can be designated as a potential Javits Wagner O'Day Act organization (rings the heart bells of the Progressives) and apply for significant government subsidies, preferential contracts and unremitting foolish aggrandizement by management without terribly efficient oversight.  (Like collecting salary, bennies, etc, from 3 companies, separately)

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:29 | 4421744 Colonel Walter ...
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If you have similar ownership the ACA law makes you count the workers as one company. And if you are really the same company and just trying to get around the law, you are asking for a mess in bookkeeping plus risk the IRS noticing and coming after you. 

The work around, is for the company offer insurance so they are not subject to the penalties, but then make sure workers are give incentives to not sign up for it. I think there are creative people out there that can come up with way to make this happen.




Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:00 | 4421301 remain calm
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Thank you. If you are one of the 103 then consider yourself excluded from the dickheads decree.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:49 | 4422003 Raging Debate
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Or Seasmoke - All my employees are now volunteers. The corporation expenses pays all necessary housing, utilities and transportation like volunteer firefighters. Might decrease my taxes from 17% down to 5%.

Communism can be fun! All those volunteers dont pay any taxes either.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:47 | 4421236 kchrisc
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Who is "we?" It doesn't include me. Like George Carlin, I did something more rewarding with my time at home.


"They chose, you voted, they won."

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:19 | 4421685 Rafferty
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Am I missing something or is Obama simply making up and applying legislation as he goes along, like a latter-day Caligula?  Have these amendments been debated in Congress?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:51 | 4422021 Jumbotron
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Debated in Congress?   What's a Congress?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:17 | 4422769 kchrisc
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He's applying Article 3, Section 3 principles to his administration.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:53 | 4421251 spiral galaxy
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Uh Oh!!! Obama sez no layoffs because of his bullshit.  So if you bullshit about laying off workers so you don't have to deal with Obamacare bullshit, he will unleash his perjury law bullshit so you wind up in legal bullshit!!  Just watch where you step! :-)

"Officials on Monday said that any business claiming they were eligible for the new one-year delay because they have fewer than 100 workers must certify, under penalty of perjury, that it had not reduced its workforce merely to qualify for that exemption."

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:58 | 4421573 Urban Redneck
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The little guys just have to learn how to play like the big boys, hundreds of thousands of pages of non healthcare regulations provide millions of justifications for firing useless eaters...

And when all else fails, just blame the weather, the administration not going to admit under oath that that BLS is nothing more than BS.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:12 | 4421641 Beam Me Up Scotty
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So if your business falters a bit or you become more efficient and don't need 4 or 5 employees you have to keep them or face the wrath? Fuck that. It amazes me that anyone thinks this clown is a good president.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:43 | 4421779 Nick Jihad
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No, if you want to lay off employees, you need to make sure that you make a sizeable campaign contribution via a well-connected Democratic bundler, like John Corzine, for instance. And if you happen to have Republican or Tea Party political activity in your past, you can just forget about layoffs, unless you want Eric Holder's Just-Us department to give you a proctological experience to remember.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:15 | 4421672 Meat Hammer
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Did you fire those people so you wouldn't have to provide health insurance?

No, I fired them because they voted for Obama.  No perjury here!  Are we done?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:12 | 4421355 WillyGroper
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:22 | 4421411 Froman
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4 - 50 to 99 is the sweet spot.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:29 | 4422912 BraveSirRobin
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Fire 3? No, you will be liberating 3! Forward!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:28 | 4421151 Atlas_shrugging
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So glad my frickin monthlies have gone up $2000 this year anyway

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:52 | 4421248 pods
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Yeah, but you can at least tuck the kids into bed, which is nice.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:13 | 4421658 Shad_ow
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I pity all those who work for companies with less than 100 employees?  This dooms them to a job they are trapped in, sentenced to another 2 years of self reliance.  Oh the humanity!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:41 | 4421214 y3maxx
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...NSA must have amazing dirt on Congress to allow total control by MIC.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 08:37 | 4431711 Kobe Beef
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You think this is MIC? Try mossad.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:45 | 4421232 Jumbotron
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The multi-100 BEEELIONnnnn dollar bailout of Big Insurance commences in 3.....2.....1.....

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:12 | 4421668 Beam Me Up Scotty
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In a few years they can make the next Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil gets laughed at when he holds the world ransom for One TRIILLLLION dollars!!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:14 | 4421372 proLiberty
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If you like your limit, you can keep your limit.  Period!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:09 | 4421627 Meat Hammer
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Why would you delay utopia?  I'm so confused.  

I guess they don't really care about all of the next Picassos, Lennons, and Whitmans whom are mere inches from greatness if not for having to pay for their own shit.  

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:15 | 4421677 Shad_ow
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Why not use that magic pen he has to create a million jobs too.  What's he waiting for?  Why not just wrtie us all a check for $100 million and allow everyone to sit home with our kids, no need for education when the gov'ment can provide.  Free tv, unicorns and healthcare for all!  No more hunger or pain.  C'mon Obama, get to scribbling with your lefty hand.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:53 | 4422039 Raging Debate
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The bank puppet already did that Shad_ow, you, me and about 301 M other citizens just didnt get any.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:10 | 4421628 Carbon Beach
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Obama employed a similar deferral strategy when asked, as editor of the Harvard Law Review, to submit a piece of his writing for publication. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's present penchant for delayed actions is a carry over from his early days; choom gang aside. Whether engaging in trivial academic rigors such as testing, writing papers, attending classes, or anything remotely resembling being present.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:28 | 4421732 Loucleve
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“It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow.” – Alexander Hamilton and Alexander

Hamilton, Federalist No. 62, 1788






Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:58 | 4422049 sschu
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But he said:

we will continue to make the compliance process simpler and easier to navigate,” Asst Secretary for Tax Policy Mark J. Mazur says in statement e-mailed by Treasury. 

Glad we do not have to worry about that issue anymore.  :-)

I have spent hours trying to understand what this monstrosity is about.  The only thing I know for sure is that the costs to me are going up significantly.  It is a tax, nothing less.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:03 | 4422287 Borrow Owl
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Fuck 'the compliance process'.

Go 'off the books' and let the dimwitted herd animals duke it out amongst themselves.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:40 | 4421777 Freddie
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He can make and change laws on the fly. 

Where are the CS'ers who posted on ZH who voted for him?

F---ing TV and Hollywood still love them.  You watch their shit - you support it.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 20:57 | 4422045 lead salad
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Owebama has decreed today.....'President Obama "quipped" today during a visit to Monticello with the French president, "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want."'
He is king, after all......

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:24 | 4421144 JLee2027
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Doesn't this require an act of Congress?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:28 | 4421147 Ms. Erable
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They're too busy piling back into the clown car in preparation for the next performance.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:47 | 4421522 wintermute
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Exactly JLee, this change to 100 requires an act of Congress. Calling laws "rules" and then amending them by executive order means that the nation no longer has a fully functioning legal system.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:33 | 4421179 Oldwood
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They will keep fucking this thing around until no one will know whats in it, except hope and change. I beginning to understand now why Orwell's 1984 worked, why people just went along with bullshit like the ministry of Truth and Ministry of Love. They did it because the delusion was the only thing to offer relief. They knew it was all a big fucking lie but to have to live with it and accept it every fucking day would be torture.

Its called Obamacare because Obama really does care, he really does care, he really does ain't fuckin working

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:58 | 4421280 johnQpublic
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do it to julia


i'd rather have rats gnaw off my face than obamacare

so if business can push back against this law and get listened to, why cant we the people?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:04 | 4421322 Oldwood
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Because the only tool we really have is to stop giving them money. We can do it by simply refusing, which will likely end badly for us, or we can simply step back, stop spending and live close to the bone. Unfortunately we have been indoctrinated, I would suggest addicted, to spending. We have been marketed to for years to derive all of our self worth and satisfaction from buying shit, the more the better and the more useless and insane, even better still. We have a better chance of electing Ron Paul to the Presidency than we have of weening people off of their useless shit. Now I'm not talking about my precious useless shit, just everyone else's, got it? They have us right where they want us. NEEDY

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:00 | 4421290 kchrisc
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In Orwell's 1984 things are "working." That is, things are bleak, but people are eating. In real life collectivism, all types, ultimately fails, and people find it harder and harder just to eat--collectivism never works.

So one day people will be dragged out into the streets by their bellies and starving kids. They may not be "awake," but they will be hungry and pissed.

Being awake is being ahead of what's coming and knowing who is responsible and the only thing that can offer relief.


"My guillotine knows a lot of names."

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:56 | 4421272 swass
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Yes, it does.  But no one calls them on it.  This frustrates the heck out of me.  The republicrats don't do anything about it because their constituants that are affected by it want it delayed and would be pissed off if their representative challenged it under the equal protections clause.  No doubt it is unconstitutional, which is what the court would find, but then their constituants would then be forced to comply. 

Unfortunately, this is exactly how Obama is getting away with it.  He will also set precident for future abuses, so that whoever can just point to this to show that other presidents have done it, so what's the big deal..

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:00 | 4421289 Oldwood
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Them republicans, they don't want no trouble, you know.

With the media as the arbiter of truth, the republicans are tired of being portrayed as the mean retard. Conservatives don't give a fuck.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:19 | 4421402 andrewp111
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What are the Republicans going to do anyway? You need 67 Senators to remove a president from office, and all Democrats are unanimously behind Obama in total lockstep.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:04 | 4421609 Oldwood
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Well, they could say no. They could say no fucking way. They could use the power that the constitution has granted them and use the purse to enforce spending rules. Why is it only Obama and his ilk that can even go outside of the understood constitutional powers to "get things done" but when the opposition tries it they are trying to kill people or destroy the government? Its because anyone who does not want to surrender what they have toiled for to be given to others, who we now understand were unnecessarily burdened with a job to pay healthcare cost as well as I suppose, food and shelter are evil. If we have a job we are supposed to share that job by going part time. If we earn a living we are supposed to share that too, and dare not ask with who or if they are in anyway deserving. If we can afford healthcare we are supposed to help pick up the tab for all those others who want to pursue art or basket weaving. If we own a home we are supposed to happily fork over significant amounts of money to pay for education for the children of people to busy having kids to find time to have a job, or illegal alien kids living four families to a house. Its fucking nuts, and our PAID representatives SIT on their hands, helpless and as much if not more brow beaten than the rest of us. Cowardice is infectious and is rampant. We are the brave ones and yet fear to use our real names. All is lost. We are regressing to a third world (or worse) country by destruction of our economic engine and the direct importation of third world people. If there ever was an American exceptionalism, it is now dead, unless you count all the bad stuff.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:15 | 4421380 f16hoser
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What's a Congress? Do we have one?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:46 | 4421525 t0mmyBerg
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LOL.  That's funny.  No.  Next the Prezidente will decide that because his political supporters need a little extra tlc or whatever, they do not have to pay taxes this year, but everyone else does.  He will instruct the Treasury and hus the IRS not to audit and fry anyone who can prove they gave the maximum contribution to Democrats.  God help you otherwise.  Same thing isnt it?  If he can just decide every little thing not to enforce and for whom it will be enforceable there is no difference.

Time to impeach.

I just found out something else today when I called my new health care provider.  Literally everything is subject to our deductible.  So basically we pay the first $1500 as a family (thatnk god I got the platinum plan with $1500 deductible as I have already burned through it on a knee surgery).  Drug costs ALSO count toward deductible and they pay nothing until that deductible is filled.  If the plans for everyone else work like this I think we might be able to achieve revolution this year.  Because almost everyone else is going to have like $6000 deductible and they make $50,000.  They are literally going to shit themselves when after they might have paid $1000 they now face $6000.  Medical costs causing bankruptcy indeed.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:41 | 4421774 swmnguy
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Have you ever had health insurance before?  I've had a plan like this for 10 years.  Except mine is a $5000-individual/$10,000-family deductible.  It's always worked this way. I've been fortunate enough to never get close to the deductible, so the benefit I get is the insurance-negotiated pricing as opposed to the truly exorbitant sticker price, for drugs or services.  I'm also lucky enough to be able to have the amount of the deductible in an HSA.

The large group of Americans who never knew how much this shit cost because their employer paid for a plan that meant they never saw a bill are in for a dreadful, grim surprise.  Basically, employer-paid health insurance is a 25%-40% additional compensation they never knew they were getting.  Now they're losing it, but not getting the corresponding pay raise.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:50 | 4421811 Freddie
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F em.  Many of them voted for it.   They watch Obama TV or his Hollywood then they vote for it everytime they watch their shit.  A land of of f****ng sheep.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:48 | 4422211 t0mmyBerg
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yes of course.  but i have never had it hit before nor watched it go so fast.  nor did the pharmaceuticals count toward it in this way, where i have to basically pay nearly full price (or at least a lot more than i used to) until i reach the deductible.  the point is i think a lot of people are going to be horrified if their plans work this way because with half the country taking something, it is going to much more expensive. 

for those that voted for this clown, i agree they had it coming but lots of people who did not are going to be screwed.  dems face a bloodbath this fall, subject only to the idiot repubnicants shooting themselves in the foot again and again and again

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:05 | 4422559 swmnguy
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No quibbling from me that these plans suck.  I'm just making the point that the plans available on the individual market all suck, and they've always sucked, and the trend that they get worse in some small (but meaningful and costly) way every year has been going on since I first had to buy my own insurance 10 years ago.  People have been sheltered from how bad the affordability situation really is because they've been getting coverage heavily subsidized by their employer.  As costs escalate, coverage deteriorates to keep a price point, and the same coverage inflates 10% - 20% per year most years.

The botch of ObamaCare is indeed the Democrats' to own.  The underlying spiral of insurance costs feeding healthcare costs is at least 30 years old, though.  And what I don't see are any serious proposals to fix that.  All the Republican ideas I've seen are either pernicious nonsense or just don't address theissue.  Somebody's ox is going to have to be gored.  And you can bet that those who don't make huge campaign contributions will be first in line.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:34 | 4422804 Oleander
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HA HA - Deval Patrick is a greater fool for getting Massachusetts stuck in this quagmire.  People in Mass. still cannot get signed up!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:43 | 4421781 Freddie
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No.  There is no rule of law in Amerika anymore.  Bring on f***king anarchy.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:29 | 4421152 Cornholiovanderbilt
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He got him a pen.  Who needs congruss!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:38 | 4421195 Colonel Klink
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Who needs CONgruss!

Fixed the spellink four ewe.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:44 | 4421212 HyBrasilian
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nein Scheiß :-) [LOL]

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:04 | 4421319 Colonel Klink
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I guess eight scheisse wasn't enough for you?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:11 | 4421352 HyBrasilian
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CK ~ I'm on your team... RETHINK

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:10 | 4422582 Colonel Klink
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I was messing around.  I knew what you meant.  Welcome to the team. 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:29 | 4421153 Oldwood
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I can't wait to tell my employees they are now volunteers!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:29 | 4421154 ebworthen
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That's right "folks".

Bend over!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:30 | 4421156 Critical Path
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What about all that "free-time" everyone had their hearts set on? 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:52 | 4421257 pods
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So true, those motherfuckers better not get in the way of me being a painter.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:30 | 4421158 CrimsonAvenger
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Fuck this lawless prick.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:59 | 4421296 pods
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Next time I get pulled over I will tell the cop that the speed limit is the law that I most think needs altering and have done just that so he will not be needing to get out his pencil and can get his buzz cut, jack booted ass back into his mad max mobile and go harass the next guy.


Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:46 | 4421798 mofreedom
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And that you're an illegal alien  You could appear before congress.  Tell them about your plight.

Papers?  That racist!!!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:31 | 4421160 Johnny Cocknballs
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The NDAA already shredded the Constitution, but the contstant legislation from the Executive Branch, cheered on by the hypocritical, myopic statists like Krugman and most of the Left, is getting people used to the day Obama simply suspends habeus corpus explicitly, or regulates/controls the internet "for the children."

Are we sure he's leaving office? 

I hope he doesn't - Hillary is a far, far more dangerous creature. Because of her tits, she is going to run as a sort of "outsider" and women will vote for her on this premise.  It will be the most batshit insane campaign in the history of this country, which puts it in the running for the most batshit insane campaign in the history of the galaxy.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:37 | 4421185 ebworthen
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My Sister loves Hillary.

It doesn't matter that she stayed with her serial cheater of a lying Husband.

It doesn't matter that she is part of a murderous new age royalty that slays solely for power.

It doesn't matter that she lied about Benghazi or Whitewater or Vince Foster or anything else.

She loves her because she has tits and a vagina (an no she is not gay or bisexual).

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:35 | 4421193 krispkritter
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That's gaycisst!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:54 | 4421266 john39
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Hillary is a lesbian.  Bill is just an prop.  Americans are too stupid for their own good.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:37 | 4422812 TBT or not TBT
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What kind of sickness is it that we are talking about Hillary and sex in the same paragraph, nevermind sentence? One of these things is potentially beautiful and positive.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:49 | 4421803 mofreedom
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:37 | 4421196 Oldwood
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AS blacks love Obama. Its only racism or sexism if a white man does it, otherwise its liberation theology. Viva La Raza!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:52 | 4421244 centerline
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Just wait until a black woman is up for election.  She could be a friggin demon with horns growing out of her head - and would still get elected.


(edit:  I just had a vision of Oprah.  Damn.  Now that's some scary shit).

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:54 | 4421262 pods
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Isn't it rumored that Oprah is a dyke too?



Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:56 | 4421284 centerline
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(hair on neck standing up).

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:05 | 4421327 Oldwood
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If she only had a Hispanic surname.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:41 | 4421493 Skateboarder
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:46 | 4421508 Froman
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Or, if she were a black, lesbian, hacidic Jew from Puerto Rico that had sustained an in grown toe nail injury in the Army Reserves while serving as a file clerk she would be the Progressive Dream Candidate. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:40 | 4422820 TBT or not TBT
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Does she throw her rotten toenail over the whitehouse fence, or someone else's?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:42 | 4422821 TBT or not TBT
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:07 | 4421326 NotApplicable
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Nah, the herd's not there yet. You can divide and conquer across gender OR race, but not both, as you're not going to find enough people that will divide into the "pro" camp.

It'll take a few more election cycles before the demographic shifts enough for that possiblity.

The only possibility I can see would be the GOP putting up a "strong, self-made" Hispanic woman to go against Hitlery.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:09 | 4421350 Dixie Rect
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"friggin demon with horns growing out of her head" = Hillary. Just add suntan.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:18 | 4421389 andrewp111
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Only if she is a Democrat. Black Republicans are treated identically to White Republicans by nearly all voters.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:14 | 4421674 GeezerGeek
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40-something years ago I heard an album (vinyl!) called Radio Dinner. Apparently it had been recorded live, and it contained a line that said something like "If you're not a black, homosexual working class woman you're an oppressor." Much laughter ensued. Now reality begins to resemble that fantasy.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:07 | 4421329 corporatewhore
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I know someone who actually met them both..female...

wowed by Bill and said "you could tell he was scoping every woman he met".


frightened by Hillary.  Ruthless and would cut you to smithereens.

Now let's see who the stupid party nominates to run against her so that i have no meaninful choice once again.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 19:52 | 4421817 mofreedom
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Stupid Party Indeed.  Let's hope for Rand Paul.  Dammit..I love the non-self-loathing Jews.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:17 | 4421385 andrewp111
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Race, Sex, and Pussy is the entire Democratic playbook. It seems to work every time.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:29 | 4421446 Clowns on Acid
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Hey just like in the movies and all shows on TV..... wow isn't that a coincidence.... and one tribe controls it... wow...  

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:48 | 4423819 TBT or not TBT
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You left out "cool". They pulled off close relations with the entertaintainment industrial complex, which gets all kinds of special tax treatment from the CA dem political machine and congress.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:14 | 4422102 Raging Debate
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Ebonworth - Ya your right. She can also say in eloquent words: "I told you not to vote for that nasty black man. Remember the 90's when yiu could afford that SUV and be a soccer Mom" then que up Dont't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow by Fleetwood Mac.

Decades from now in America 3.0 historians will be activists preaching how Flower Power finished off the USA. The Republicans dont want a winner in 2016 just like 2012. They'll offer amazing solutions in 2020 as the tail end of the Boomers retire and the economy has already finished the last of contraction. No more black or female presidents for 50 years after yuk yuk yuk chortle the club.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 22:28 | 4422385 Borrow Owl
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"...because she has tits and a vagina"

Holy shit.

Talk about stretching the definitions of words.

If these are the only qualifying criteria, them I'm pretty sure that one of my neighbors' milk goats could win hands down soley on the basis of aesthetics.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:50 | 4423837 TBT or not TBT
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A mastectomy would make her even more of a survivor-victim-overcomer strong. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin had the opposite kind of tits, oppressive tits.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:38 | 4421479 vintageyz
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She has tits??

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:31 | 4421161 Surging Chaos
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Just like with every other problem the government encounters, this is getting kicked down the road for as long as it possibly can until the road runs out.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:32 | 4421165 rlouis
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Sort of makes the EU corruption look mild in comparison

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:36 | 4421188 Oldwood
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Its not corruption when they do it in your face, Its more of a "fuck you" than anything else.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:36 | 4421180 krispkritter
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Biden "This is a big fucking disaster!", Obie "Don't worry, we'll be gone before it crashes and burns", Biden "But I wanted to run in 2016!", Obie "Sheeet, you may have bigger tits than Hillary but her balls are way bigger, you don't stand a chance!"...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 21:26 | 4422133 Raging Debate
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Krispkritter - OH SNAP :/0

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:34 | 4421186 TrustWho
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When did Congress vote on this amendment to the ACA?

FUCK Obama! And Bernake And Yellen

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:39 | 4421190 foodstampbarry
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Another unconstitutional change... Remind me again what this asshole prez taught in college?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:57 | 4421274 Oldwood
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How to fuck the constitution. I don't think there are that many people who study the constitution who actually want to preserve it. Like lawyers, they are studying the law to find it weaknesses so they can break the law without penalty. Most laws, as was the constitution, were relatively simple in meaning. Every subsequent new law and interpretation by the courts has been to change its meaning through definition of technicalities. The study of law is to defeat law,not to strengthen it. And where they cannot easily change laws or their meaning they attempt to change the meaning of words within our language. We see this in the financial industries as they have to constantly invent "new" investments to drain wealth from people's pockets, not all that different than when States change up the lottery when sales fall off because people start to realize that the odds are so incredibly against them they will never win. So they make the game more difficult so the jackpot is even larger why substantially reducing the odds even further that a person will ever win. Humans are such simple sheep, and incredibly lethal sheep.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:26 | 4421436 TrustWho
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This is so easy why did a much earlier President do this? Some day soon America will have a Putin ruler thanks to Obama. Did Hitler have any kids?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:35 | 4421191 ConManipulation
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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:46 | 4421227 Oldwood
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Luckily we have someone like Obama who will always be available to let us know when and what rights are valuable and which ones are racist and abusive. Obama learned well from his drug years. When you want power the best way is not through violence but through dependency. Make the dope good and cheap in the beginning and you will never lack for a customer again, regardless of price, as they will beg, borrow, steal and maybe even kill to get what they need. We are creating a world wide population of flesh eating zombies who will only eat, and eat more, and those that created them will charge a hefty tax indeed, to keep them at bay.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 13:54 | 4424293 TBT or not TBT
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Pusher government.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:37 | 4421199 teolawki
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Anybody get the feeling they're just making this up as they go?

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:42 | 4421218 Skateboarder
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On gubbamin letterhead, so it looks official.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:55 | 4421270 NotApplicable
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When all you've got at your disposal that works is pure PR bullshit, well...

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:39 | 4421201 pursueliberty
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It'll be kicked out further to get the heat of the backs for the 16 elections. 

Goint to be a lot of 51-80 employee companies dividing in two or simply firing all fulltime and going to a larger part time work force.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:38 | 4421202 Cornholiovanderbilt
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what is this congruss and constitution everyone is speaking of?  I am cornfused

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 18:08 | 4421336 Colonel Klink
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CONgruss, CONgruss, CONgruss, I keep telling you to spell it right.  Because you can't spell CONgress without a Capitol CON!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:40 | 4421209 Colonel Klink
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So king Obama has declared, so let it be done!!

Suck on that serfs!

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:39 | 4421210 ebworthen
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Further dissolution of the individual and empowerment of the corporation.

Welcome to the New Rome; take off your sandals so you don't sully the mosaics when you bow to the Emperor and give tribute.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:47 | 4421229 22winmag
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Think of all the small companies that either downsized or chose not to expand over this issue.


It's this kind of willy-nilly, whimsical application of laws that is bringing down the Republic.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 17:51 | 4421249 teolawki
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The Republic was brought down long ago (circa 1913). What you're now witnessing are simply the death throes of a fully despotic regime.

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