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What Would Chinese Hegemony Look Like?

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Submitted by Robet E Kelly via The Diplomat,

East Asia is becoming, in the language of international relations theory, “bipolar.” That metaphor, from magnetism, suggests two large states with overlapping spheres of influence competing for regional leadership. The Cold War was a famous global example of bipolarity. Most states in the world tilted toward the United States or the Soviet Union in a worldwide, zero-sum competition. Although analysts have hesitated for many years in applying such strong language to East Asia, this is now increasingly accepted. A lengthy twilight struggle between China and Japan, with U.S. backing, seems in the offing.

Until recently, Asia was arguably “multipolar”—there was no one state large enough to dominate and many roughly equal states competed for influence. China’s dramatic rise has unbalanced that rough equity. China is now the world’s second largest GDP. Although its growth is slowing, it is still expanding at triple the rate of the U.S. economy and six times the rate of Japan’s. By 2020 China is predicted to be the world’s largest economy. Its population, 1.35 billion, is enormous. One in seven persons on the planet is Chinese. Were China’s GDP per capita to ever reach Japanese or American levels, its total GDP would match that of entire planet today. These heady numbers almost certainly inspire images of national glory or a return to the “middle kingdom,” in Beijing. They help account for China’s increasingly tough claims in the East and South China Seas.

Until recently, China pursued a “peaceful rise” strategy, one of accommodation and mutual adjustment. This approach sought to forestall an anti-Chinese encircling coalition. China’s rapid growth unnerves many states on its perimeter, from India, east to Vietnam, Indonesia and Australia, north to Taiwan, Japan, and Russia. Were these states to align, they might contain China in the same way the Japan, China, and NATO all worked to contain the U.S.SR. The peaceful rise seemed to work, especially in southeast Asia, where Chinese generosity has successfully blocked a united ASEAN position on South China Sea issues.

Since 2009 however, China has increasingly resorted to bullying and threats. The 2008 Olympics appears to have been read in Beijing as a sign of China’s newfound might and sway. In the South China Sea it has pushed a very expansive definition of its maritime zone of control, and it recently faced down the Philippines in a dispute over the Scarborough Shoal in that sea. Indeed, one possible explanation for China’s expansion of its air defense identification zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea is that a hard line seems to be working in the South China Sea. But China’s northeast Asian neighbors are far stronger and more capable than its southeast Asian ones. Most observers expect Japan, South Korea and the U.S. to push back, as indeed they have. The U.S. flew bombers through the new ADIZ without warning, and both Japanese and South Korean civilian airlines have been instructed by their respective governments not to comply.

All this then sets up a bipolar contest between China and Japan, in the context of China’s rapid rise toward regional dominance.

Chinese Hegemony?

A common theme in the literature on China’s rise is its apparent inevitability. Westerners particularly tend to get carried away with book-titles such as Eclipse (of the U.S. by China), When China Rules the World, or China’s New Empire. History is indeed filled with the rise to dominance of powerful states. China and Japan both sought in the past to dominate Asia. Various European states including the U.S.SR, Germany, and France did the same. But frequently these would-be hegemons collided with a counter-hegemonic coalition of states unwilling to be manipulated or conquered. Occasionally the hegemonic aspirant may win; Europe under Rome was “unipolar,” as was feudal Asia now-and-again under the strongest Chinese dynasties. But there is nothing inevitable about this. Hegemonic contenders as various as Napoleon or Imperial Japan have been defeated.

To be fair, it is not clear yet if indeed China seeks regional hegemony. But there is a growing consensus among American and Japanese analysts that this is indeed the case. By Chinese hegemony in Asia we broadly mean something akin to the United States’ position in Latin America. We do not mean actual conquest. Almost no one believes China intends to annex even its weakest neighbors like Cambodia or North Korea. Rather, analysts expect a zone of super-ordinate influence over neighbors.

For example, in 1823, U.S. president James Monroe proclaimed the Monroe Doctrine, which warned all non-American powers to stay out of the Western Hemisphere on pain of U.S. retaliation. This has worked reasonably well for almost 200 years. The U.S. has variously used force, aid, covert CIA assistance, trade, and so on to eject foreign powers from what Washington (condescendingly) came to call “America’s backyard.” Today, of course, such language seems disturbingly neocolonial, but many assume that the fundamental illiberalism of such spheres of influence do not worry non-democracies like China. A Sinic Monroe Doctrine would likely include some mix of the following:

-       the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Japan and Korea,

-       U.S. naval retrenchment from east Asia, perhaps as far back as Hawaii,

-       a division of the Pacific into east/U.S. and west/China zones with a Chinese blue-water navy operating beyond the so-called second island chain running from Japan southeast to New Guinea,

-       an RMB currency bloc in southeast Asia and possibly Korea,

-       a regional trading zone,

-       foreign policies from China’s neighbors broadly in sync with its own.

This is not going to happen soon of course. This is a project for the next several decades, just as U.S. power over Latin America came slowly through the nineteenth century. But such goals would broadly fit with what we have seen in the behavior of previous hegemons, including Imperial Japan and China, Rome, the British Empire, the U.S. in Latin America, and various German plans for Eastern Europe in the first half of the twentieth century. The era of U.S. preponderance in Asia is coming to an end.


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Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:56 | 4422699 hamstercheese
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How big is a can of Chinese alphabet soup?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:16 | 4422749 DoChenRollingBearing
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My guess (FWIW, which is not much) is that China will ultimately fail to become the Hegemon of Asia.  They have a lot of problems (demographics, debt, pollution) that do not get discussed much by the mainstream media.

But, China is aggressive about acquiring hard assets with all that money they get from us!


So, what do poor Americans do about that?  Well, one response is to get hard assets of your own.  I review the latest the latest edition of American Hard Assets at the below link.  Read the predictions about gold & silver.  A nice article on platinum and one on palladium.  "Alternative investments" like investing in films, modern art and even fountain pens each have their own articles.  Real Estate.  Mining News (lots of mines failing to get approvals...).  Bitcoin!  

And will Janet Yellen grow a beard in homage to the previous Fed Chair?  And what of Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus?

Perhaps the best issue yet...

"Review of American Hard Assets -- Jan/Feb 2014"

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:53 | 4422855 Exponere Mendaces
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China will wipe the floor with the USA.

I love how the "shadow banking" articles on China and the mysterious deadlines that now don't matter haven't made much of an impact on their multilateral agreements with other countries. Wasn't the crisis supposed to hit after the Chinese New Year? Still Nothing? Oh well, I guess articles need to be written, and so they shall.

Its quite evident that China is capable of thinking more than 10 years ahead, and most certainly farther than the myopic timeframes common in the United States. They're going through the industrial revolution phase just like the UK did, complete with pollution, and they'll work past that problem as well.

In the US, it will be more bread and circuses until either you're on a government program, or you're the one supplying the green paper tokens to make it operate. What a wonderful existence that will be for those still stuck there.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:23 | 4422985 Fish Gone Bad
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China is a poor country full of peasants.

Its quite evident that China is capable of thinking more than 10 years ahead

That is simply not true.  It wasn't until fairly recent times that China figured out that they had to give people iodine to prevent goiters.   That was really thinking ahead.  As far as being any competition to the USA, please remember what happened to every treaty the US signed with the native Americans.  The US spends more on its military than the next 10 countries COMBINED.  China is so busy trying to cheat each other that they poison their own milk with melamine, and killed off countless US pets, and use lead in anything they can.  China is in a race to the bottom... with itself.  There is one thing to remember, and that is NO ONE wins a race to the bottom.

Google: cursing fish cafepress

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:19 | 4423033 buttmint
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The Chinese fake eveything! I live in Asia the Chinese have stolen the engine dies from the Phillipines to copy for their 125cc motorscooter engine. And they still cannot produce something original. They cut corners. They copy, cheat and steal and possess garrulous manners. They'll be a bastard landlord. Have folks crying for a can-do Yank. Or Japanese quality control algos.

I have several buds as TEFL instructors in China. THEY have to take the tests for privileged students in Math and Sciences. If the teachers squawk, they don't get paid. No such thing as a Rule of Law in China.

Keep up the fine takes....

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:09 | 4423138 Leraconteur
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It's easy to win every deal and negotiation if you lie, cheat, steal, copy and rig the legal process.

China will come out on top, but it will look like the corrupt race to the bottom you describe.

It's easy to win when you break all the rules and lie. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:36 | 4423246 Cheduba
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"China will wipe the floor with the USA."

The only reason China rose to dominance is because it fired up the printing presses for the past several decades.  What happens when inflationary pressures cause 1.5 billion pissed off Chinese to rise up against their rulers?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:44 | 4423307 Offthebeach
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How many thousands, yearly, of riots in the provences? Good thing Party leadership in Beijing is honest. Queer they cant straighten up local, municipal and provincial . They will "address" it. They're busy. The boys at UCLA, the house in Vancouver for Auntie, lawyer meets in Miami. Next year. For sure. You'll see. Honest. Trust the party.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:12 | 4422886 UselessEater
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all cheer because, fortunately, 'war is a racket' doesn't apply to the grand Chinese nation... as an Aussie I am totally confident China will choose sound economic policies and prosperous partnerships vs military industrial enomic growth and pressure.....meanwhile I look forward to how they address the TPP.... and applaud our local professionals learning Mandarin (my future technocratic lords?) and I eagerly await the IMF's SDR reset apparently due this year....

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:51 | 4422950 sylviasays
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"as an Aussie I am totally confident China will choose sound economic policies and prosperous partnerships vs military industrial enomic growth and pressure"

Gawd, anotha delusional de-balled Aussie with his head up his kangaroo pouch

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:45 | 4423166 UselessEater
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sarcasm darling- Oz is on the knife edge given its geography and preference for 'globalising' and 'socialising' private property rights and regulating small business into oblivion so only big sharks can swim freely while trimming jobs and chomping up the little competitors with the endorsement of left and right wing governments who trip over themselves trying to be important on the world stage....we've been leaders in socialising capitalism for a good while now on a smooth-ish ocean so there is little rebellion in the main populace and they're a tough crowd to wake up....

by the way I would be categorised as a 'sheila' i.e. female..... never had to be 'de-balled' and its is physically impossible to go 'up' a kangaroo pouch but I get your point



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:17 | 4423720 blueRidgeBoy
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thanks for confirming my sarc-meter doesn't need recalibration - refreshing that someone can write without the </sarc> tags

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:11 | 4423086 Leraconteur
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It is more likely you are going to deeply regret moth-balling your only carrier many years ago.

The best solution is for Australia to do what Canada is doing: reposition itself from being America's lapdog and lackey to being China's lapdog and lackey. Both are resource-rich nations that are selling themselves out to the Chinese. If you don't own a house in Vancouver, you never will because corrupt party official's chilldren are bidding them all up to 1Mn CAD. Great if you own and sell to retire to Pattaya, not so great if you are young and starting out.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:49 | 4423169 UselessEater
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we're actually unsure how many laps we are lap dog to..... suspect Xi and Rothschild type interests are the final masters but either way we're all getting versions of bail-ins, FATCA, global currency etc we're just super lucky the G20 announces this wonderfulness in Brisbane, Aust this year (by the way that was SARCASM)....

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:21 | 4422777 akak
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With or without the dog meat?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:23 | 4422779 Jim in MN
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I've noticed a really galling myopia in the 'big bully China' articles for a couple of years now.

Japan....East China Sea....BORING....

There is one and only one indicator of Big Bully China:


Put that in your opium pipe, faux-Realpolitik know nothings.

Play that scenario out if you want to understand the geopolitics.  When does the USA cut Taiwan loose?


Japan isn't very high on China's list.  Bunch of resourceless, irradiated rocks in the middle of nowhere.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:01 | 4423321 kralizec
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There has been a weird don't-look-there attitidue by both the US and China over Taiwan essentially since the end of the Reagan Administration...Reagan was the last to really promote strong US-Taiwan ties, especially military ties.  It's the fat elephant in the room that both can only pretend isn't there.

Chinese hegemony only has two unanswered questions to resolve:

1) Will dicey Chinese economic issues be resolved and outlast the rapidly imploding US economic issues?

2) Will there be blood spilled between the US and China?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:46 | 4423063 Mister Kitty
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China in charge?  That's scary.  Bitches.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:37 | 4423793 Flakmeister
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And people here think BHO is a tyrant...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:04 | 4423131 Leraconteur
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You ignorant tool, there is no such thing as the Chinese Alphabet. It does not exist, the language has no alphabet.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:14 | 4423136 akak
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I believe he was making a joke, and speaking only in jest, knowing that written Chinese uses thousands of ideogrammatic characters instead of letters.

Which in and of itself is astounding in this day and age, as the alphabetic system is so demonstrably superior to primitive quasi-hieroglyphic picture-writing (even in English, with its atrociously non-phonetic and wildly inconsistent spelling system).

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:25 | 4423566 snodgrass
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The US has always created its own enemies in order to keep the military-industrial complex dominant. Enriching China and giving it it's own sphere of influence is already spelled out in Orwell's 1984 where the three parts of the globe are always at war with each other: 

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:59 | 4422713 sgorem
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DEMOCKRACY's takin a real bitch of a beatin these days. forward comrades..............

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 23:58 | 4422717 Johnny Cocknballs
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What I wonder is what the people who own the Fed and BIS, the Redshields, the Loebs, the Rockefellers, the Morgans, the  Lazars - what their approach to the Chinese is and will be.  Can't hide among them as easily, and the Chinese have more geniuses than there are...  you know...  white foreign devil banksters and their cronies.

Supposedly the Chinese have been studying Jewish culture, including the Talmud, because they believe it is part of what fosters "good business."


I wonder what they think of it. Their bamboo networks operate in somewhat similar of a fashion as Jews do internationally.  I think they'll find that exploiting labor, hyperethnocentrism, avoiding physical work, skirting the law, excluding people outside the cabal, and getting control of media and politicians is really most of it.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:00 | 4422722 john39
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Read up on the opium wars, that is how china was brought to its knees last time, by the same cabal. See Sassoon family. History repeats.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:23 | 4422781 john39
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Here is the PC version :

The wiki version is bad enough, but just imagine how much worse the truth is.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:22 | 4422782 RaceToTheBottom
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The rhyme part of history might be that the US is brought to her drug knees.....

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:54 | 4423316 Offthebeach
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China has always been on its knees or at each others throats. Which has been a while, so they are due for a little 10 mil tussel.
Obamacare and continued US/Jn/EU slowdown and currency printing aught to continue to cut trust amongst various Chinese factions. Money is getting tight.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:09 | 4422730 Seize Mars
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Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:30 | 4422775 Johnny Cocknballs
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Oh, I entirely agree with you.  The Salafists and other jihadis are just following what the Koran itself actually says.

And you can even go on the tee-vee and say as much.

This is a good list, although I think the guy treats the OT's violence with kid gloves and/or misunderstands some of it as being specific when it is in fact really metaphyiscal and ongoing.. Palestinians 'as' Amalek and so forth. "Love your neighbor" unquestionably was originally understood to mean only fellow Jews, although for the Egyptians, from whom they pilfered the 10 commandments, it may have been in-group as well.  Jesus of Nazareth and the Good Samaritan was precisely to say that 'your neighbor' is everyone... a radical concept at the time, whether or not it was actually Caesar and Josephus that crafted most of the NT, the religious Jews that happened by didn't help him because he wasn't Jewish.

But disallowing usury, at least, was a good thing [although there were clever ways around it] and people now forget that for many hundreds of years, Muslim kingdoms were actually the most advanced and civilized in the western world - largely because they got away from fundamentalism.

I'm casually interested in Jewish, Muslim, and Evangelical/Christian Zio eschatology.  I think it's an undercurrent in the world of international politics and so forth that is leading the rest of us into a WW3 we don't want.  I don't see people discussing it, but, for example, some of the Evangelicals explicitly feel that the Muslim "messiah" is the devil or antichrist, while the muslims feel the same way. 

It's like they've been set up to view a significant portion of the world as inherently evil.  Coincidentally enough, ultra-ortho Jews, apparently with the IDF, have taken to attacking muslims on the temple mount of late.  I guess they're getting impatient for their messiah to arrive and help them rule over the rest of us.


I think Propagandhi had it right:


You speak of Rastafari, but how can you justify a God
that's left you behind?

You've simply filled the gap, between the upper and
lower class
and your faith merely keeps you line. In line....yea.

An amalgamation of jewish
scripture and christian thought.
What will that get you? Not a fuck of a lot.

Take a look at your promised land. Your deed is that gun in your hand.
Zion's a minefield.

(4x) The West Bank. The Gaza strip
soon to be parking lots, for American tourists and fascist cops.

Fuck zionism. Fuck militarism. Fuck americanism. Fuck nationalism.



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:34 | 4422807 john39
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Sheikh Imran (see you tube channel) has been working with Russian orthodox Christians on eschatology. So not all Christians and not all Muslims have fallen for the divide and conquer tactics. Some of the sheikh's videos are solid and well worth watching.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:46 | 4422832 Johnny Cocknballs
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I'm familiar with him - yeah his vids are well worth a watch.  Brainwashed by religion or not, he seems like a decent man.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:10 | 4422739 The_Prisoner
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The tribe has been trying to cosy up with the chinese for a while now.

Read this, if you can keep from throwing up:

Common traits bind Jews and Chinese -

A few gems from the link:

"It may seem odd to compare the largest of peoples with one of the world's smallest, but Chinese and Jews have something in common that helps explain their success and longevity. That is the ability to rise above ethnic conflicts."

"Founded just 65 years ago, the modern Jewish state has become a pocket superpower in technology, business and the arts, as well as the strongest and most stable state in the Middle East. It is also the only industrial country with a fertility rate far above replacement. Not just in the abstract, but in its concrete manifestation in the modern State of Israel, Jewish nationhood remains "a paragon and exemplar of a nation.""


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:38 | 4422813 TruthInSunshine
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I say this as an (hopefully) objective observation: Israel is fucked if the U.S. loses its military hegemony.

In such a case, Israel will essentially be incredibly vulnerable to invasion/missile strike in a matter of years, their as of now cutting edge military technology (funded by U.S. taxpayers to the tune of an official 188 billion USD since the 1960s but closer to 1.5 trillion USD if looking at the uncooked books) notwithstanding.

Israel is not a defensible piece of earth from a tactical standpoint within the context of a full scale hot war with even a remotely advanced adversary - it is 7 miles wide at its narrowest point, and a few hundred miles long; it's smaller than nearly any individual U.S. State.

Without the financial & military assistance of the U.S., Israel has no other reliable ally to offset such a loss, and not for a lack of effort in trying to foster such an alliance as a back-up plan.

The Jewish elite in Israel and the U.S. realize this, and they understand full well that any ability to rely in China + a cobbled-together coalition of other nations should the U.S. lose its military dominance is simply not in the cards.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:49 | 4422840 Johnny Cocknballs
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"“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”

   - Bibi "nuclear smuggling ring**" Netanyahu.


** oddly, not a peep about this in the MSM. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:16 | 4422975 TruthInSunshine
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There was much internal debate & friction within the ranks of top American Military Brass during much of the Cold War, since the forthright & tactically verse brass scoffed at the much heralded notion (by pro-Zionists) that Israel was in any way, shape or form a truly significant military asset for the U.S., in either a defensive or offensive capability, given its incredibly small size (Vermont is 1.2 times the size of Israel), which made it particularly vulnerable to even one strike by the USSR, with even a low payload nuclear tipped missile.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:04 | 4423129 Leraconteur
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China destroys the whole banker/Jews/bullshit/Rothschild/Conspiracy.

There are no Jews in China running the banks.

This is all Chinese Greed, pure and simple.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:35 | 4423209 The.Harmless.Who
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Ahhh, yes, the Talmud...


This book led to Zionism and AIPAC and the rest......


I mean how can any god fearing person forsake the Torah / Old Testament for this horrible book?  Simple - it was written by horrible people to undermine anyone who had faith in humanity or the old testament, or the new testament, or the Quaran or any Buddhist teachings, etc.... 


It is one hell of club, and unless you wish to serve the Zionist cabal  - You're NOT invited! 


Here's a couple of quotes (of of MANY) from the talmud that are apt for the Greenspans, Yellens, Bernankes, Fischers, Blankfeins, Goldsteins, Dimons, Cohens and Icahns (all confirmed zionists / AIPAC supporters): 


"It is permissible to cheat a gentile in court."


"If a gentile robs a [Zionist] Jew, he must pay him back.  But whatever a [Zionist] Jew robs from a gentile, the [Zionist] Jew may keep.  Some robbery of gentiles is disguised as “confiscation of an unpaid debt”"


"If a gentile loses something, a [Zionist] Jew may keep it, even if he knows the owner."

Please note - Anti-Zionism isn't Anti-Semetism.




Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:44 | 4423310 Random
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The international banksters do not have to live and leech the chinese from amongst them, they do it from the comfort of tens of million palaces via fractional reserve banking. Leeching the local population whilst living amongst them is so middle ages.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:36 | 4422806 suteibu
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"many assume that the fundamental illiberalism of such spheres of influence do not worry non-democracies like China."

It hasn't seemed to worry supposedly democratic nations like the US (First in Freedom, spreading democracy all over the world with its military in 175 quasi-sovereign nations) either.  Who knew "evil" nations like China would adopt America's "soft power" approach to hegemony?   The hypocrisy is stunning to everyone but the patriots in the US, an increasing number of whom hate the government but rally round it at the thought of a bi-polar world.

Because World War II...or something.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:49 | 4422944 philip88
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I understand your point but when China will control the world per instance blogs like this one will not exist anymore..

I work with Chineses ( in china ) since 1998. I have learnt several things :

1/ only very few chinese citizens criticize their government. Per instance, for them its normal that china control Asia..all those peoples with black skins are probably under humans and certainly under ..hans !

2/ chinese thinking is like herd thinking ( Japanese by the way are very close..) ; they all think the same thing at the same time. Often the root of their thinking is transmitted from the old to the young : ie. to get married, to have a son, then the son must buy a NEW flat before to get married ( the old flat can have some bad luck attached to it because of the former owner..)

3/ the chineses OBEY their government. Ie. when the government told them to buy gold you can see the lines forming before the shops or recently the government told them that they can get a second child..quickly my assistant managed to get pregnant !

In the conversation about real estate in china only few peoples know that the chinese are not really buying the real estate itself but ONLY the right to use it for around 90 years...After that ? nobody knows. May be thats the reason why they normal real estate ( not the one under international standards ) is usually a shit. In a town were I am going peoples die on a regular basis because windows were dropping on the peatons ...

Recently, I have noticed also that many suppliers become more..arrogant.

So, hyper nationalists, racists, very close mind at the middle class level...


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:42 | 4422994 suteibu
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I don't necessarily disagree with you about China (or Japan).  However...

1)  Criticism of the US government comes from so many directions that it is largely ignored.  The left/right divide has destroyed the effectiveness of criticism and protest.  (The same is true in Japan where even large street protests are closely organized and tightly controlled.  PM Noda noted that a very large anti-nuclear protest which surrounded his residence was simply a lot of "noise.")  Pretty much the same in the US.  There are sites like this all over the internet for both sides and even on the extreme margins.  They have effectively accomplished nothing except as a sounding board, a place to vent frustrations.  In that regard, they serve the purpose of those in power who would rather turn deaf ears to criticism found on the internet than see people take violently to the streets.

2)  Have you noticed the herd thinking in America?   Americans are herded to the left and to the right.  And yet the nation's decline has continued unabated regardless which side holds the leadership. 

3)  Americans OBEY their government, too.  Have you noticed how most of the population continues to use worthless paper in exchange for goods and services simply because the government TOLD them to (At least the Chinese will have something of value when the SHTF.  Perhaps the Chinese government just gives better advice, huh)? 

Americans are equally afraid of their government and follow the countless reams of laws, rules, regulations, and just made up shit every day.  Well...except for those who make and are responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws.

As for temporary ownership of real estate, I own my house and yet I continue to rent it from the county every year and will lose the property if I fail to pay the rent.  I'd pretty much settle for a rent-free 90 year lease on the property right now.

As for China controlling the world...will never happen, as much because they are not foolish like Americans and see the long term futility of it.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:01 | 4423018 Joenobody12
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Dont know what kind of Chinese you have met. Very few criticize their government ? Have you been to Hong Kong ? Do you know there are more than 20000 incidences of large scale protest in China per year ? 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:37 | 4423106 Leraconteur
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He is right. You are wrong. I live here. They are feudal peon slaves and they like it that way. They are willfully ignorant. They do as they are told because anyone who did not was killed during scores of episodes over the past 5000 years. This is spoken, out loud, explicitly, verbatim: "When they police tell you to do something, you must. We must follow the rules. We must do what the boss/director/manager says."

China has nothing to offer the planet or any other country except greed and cheap consumer goods.

China has nothing of value to offer, AT ALL.

I pity you who scorn the USA. Reality is gonna hit you hard.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:39 | 4423108 akak
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Plus there's all that public nose-picking and spitting and sidewalk/roadside defecation.

AnAnonymous can tell you all about it.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:48 | 4423115 Leraconteur
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Those will be minor annoyances compared to the larger issues. It is going to be horrible, it really is. Intolerant, racist, uncivilised, swaggering assholes who don't even have the few redeeming qualities that the Americans have. 

Do you know that the definition of 'Racist' in Chinese/Hanyu/Putonghua does not even mean the same thing as what other humans know it to be?


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:06 | 4423132 akak
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Do the Chinese still disparagingly and routinely refer to non-Chinese  as "ghosts" and "foreign devils"?

It makes "chink" sound positively complimentary in comparison.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:23 | 4423147 Leraconteur
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Yes. South China, Gwei-lo. White Ghost. North China LaoWai, Old Foreigner (equivalent to 'Nigger' - and ignore the bullshit from sino-apologists, the word is racist and derogatory and anti-locutionary. period.)

When one walks down the street, a foreigner will hear this every few FEET. You hear it more when one walks alone. When you are walking with a Chinese spouse or friend, the Chinese have the common sense to shut up most of the time. Then, it's just treatment. Your wife bargains for something, you show up, and the xenophobic, racist, asshole merchant then triples the price and screams 'Laowai'!.

This is something you hear every few minutes.

It is not a WEEKLY occurrence, nor HOURLY. This happens every 5 minutes when you are in public.

People utter it as though it's ripped from their mouths. They are walking down the street, not talking to their friend, see a foreigner and shout/mutter/mumble 'LAOWAI' and point, and stare and gawk. Infants to toddlers to children to teens to adults of all ages to the elderly. College educated, multilingual - THEY ALL STARE.

The Chinese are intolerant, racist, xenophobic assholes with no manners.

Is this ALL CHINESE for the logically crippled? No. 
However will you encounter this on a constant, minute-by-minute basis when in China?
Yes, yes you will. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:34 | 4423205 Zwelgje
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You say it, so it must be true.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:01 | 4427316 Leraconteur
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When ZH readers downvote reality, you know that the future is going to suck.

The Chinese behave as I described. I warned you. Ignore this warning and despair.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:39 | 4423423 BruntFCA
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I made many Chinese friends in University. Very friendly and intelligent people, helpful and interested in culture. A lot of them did however seem "ultra nationalistic" - like Europeans of the 19C.

Maybe you meet too many "plebs", as is you could go to some European backwater and find simillar sentiments?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:42 | 4422824 Flakmeister
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Based on what you see posted of late, we can count on Vlad Putin to set shit straight...


China hits the wall before they start projecting power too far afield. In geopolitical terms, there are at the equivalent of Great Britain controlling the North Sea...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 00:55 | 4422854 gwar5
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I think Chinese hegemony would look like the other red team we have in congress operating in the USA. Passive agressive with rapid encroachment of all human rights until they are all gone.  Molon Labe!



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:25 | 4422903 KickIce
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Exactly, everybody's just copying the US fascist state.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:33 | 4423100 Leraconteur
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The worst part is that this is not due to Communism or Mao. The Chinese are like this because they are CHINESE. They have been like this since 2200 BC. Democracy wouldn't change their intolerance, arrogance or closed-mindedness.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:40 | 4423302 KickIce
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True that but I don't think we've seen the worst of the US regime because of technology and advance weapons.  Obama has already admitted that he likes to kill people.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:27 | 4422907 philip88
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Many things that I do not share..

1/ Till few years ago the Asian world was UNIPOLAR, not multipolar. Ie. the US was the only power. During the Taiwan crisis ( Clinton ) China back away... Its normal, Mr Deng told at the time of agreement with the US that China should adopt a low long as china will be weak.

2/ Now China is stronger ( through economic and military growing power ) so, What CHINA want its ( at least ) to go back to the time before the white peoples come to china. At this time Asia was a vassal of China ( Per instance. the Kings of Thailand, Cambodia were used to pay tribute to CHina..)

Then the author wrotes : The era of U.S. preponderance in Asia is coming to an end.

Nothing is sure about it ! It all depend of the choice that the US and the western world will make in next 2/3 years...will the US will seize the opportunity to confront china or not ? Right now, the US would be able to destroy the chinese fleet very quickly, of course in few years it wont be possible anymore...

My view is that we have to start to learn chinese and adopt the chinese way of life !

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:55 | 4423009 TheCosmicTaco
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Not so fast, buddy. That chop suey future hasn't happened yet. Let's let our Oriental friends sort their $25 trillion credit bubble out first... I'm betting once that pops, China won't be looking so almighty any more...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:05 | 4423080 Tall Tom
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Of course that will pop our $700 Trillion Derivatives Bubble...after which NOBODY will be looking so almighty anymore.


Then there will be a Power Vaccuum of epic proportion.


Let me remind you that Nature abhors a vaccuum???


We will all be Chop Suey at that point. So it is rather meaningless...Don't you think?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:30 | 4422913 Rukeysers Ghost
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This article bases China's dominance on the fact that they are showing GDP numbers that are remarkably strong. The only problem with that is that China's numbers are a total fraud. Part of these big GDP numbers are all these ghost cities they are constantly constructing. China's economy is a house of cards and no amount of fake numbers these Communists throw out to impress will change that.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:44 | 4422932 Flakmeister
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Oil imports do not lie...

While it is true that the Chinese have serious issues, they ain;t at the point where joyrides and commutes are requiring all those extra oil imports...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:58 | 4423014 Rukeysers Ghost
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They don;t lie, but I don't know what they tell you about China's economic and social stability. GDP numbers are getting soft and everyone is in agreement that they are in economic trouble. So where is all that oil going? My bet it is going to gas up all the new Buicks the city dwellers are binge buying.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:40 | 4422928 Global Observer
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I doubt China plans to become a hegemon, regional or otherwise. However, China would feel compelled to liberate the region from US hegemony. Since the language of force is the only language the US understands, China has to project it to make the US get out of their neighbourhood. But it is unrealistic for China to expect to force the US out while the US is still economically standing. If the US collapses economically (which China can help bring about), it will simply not have the resources to project power so far from home especially when the countries where their presence is such an irritant to China have no significant ties to US interests.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:49 | 4422945 Anusocracy
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Let's see, China doesn't want the US in its backyard, neither does Russia or South America.

Hopefully the rest of the world will wise up too.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:23 | 4423285 Global Observer
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It is not a matter of what they wise up to or want, it is a matter of what they can force, for force is the only language the USA understands.

If the USA collapses economically most of the world is going to be free of US military influence, since the US will not be able to afford it The US will maintain its presence in the Middle East, but I doubt it can afford to deploy troops in much of the rest of the world. In fact, an economic collapse may force US to deploy most of its forces within US to maintain order (I know about posse comitatus. It will be modified or suspended when the need arises).

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:42 | 4422929 Never One Roach
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Kornifornia is already half owned by China [other half, Mexico].

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:00 | 4422963 TNTARG
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It would look like shit, as any other hegemony.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:10 | 4422974 TNTARG
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You mean... No evolution on the Horizon?


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 02:55 | 4423011 kurt
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Were Korea and Vietnam were both wars with China?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:02 | 4423019 TheCosmicTaco
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Chinese financial system is set to implode soon. Charles Ponzi was not a good template to use when designing a banking model... too bad, China. You blew it... trillions of yuan are set to vaporize when it hits the fan... without fail every real estate and over construction boom anywhere has ended in a massive bust and an insolvent banking system as its legacy...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:10 | 4423023 Joenobody12
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China this China that. China is not the problem, our disfunctional government-banker complex is. We have a shit load of problems at home to deal with and no one is doing a damn thing about it.  

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 03:59 | 4423074 Dre4dwolf
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The only way out is for everyone to stop using dollars and cut the corruption out like the cancer it is.

Dollars are the needle in the necks of Americans that suck them dry and make them weak, its the primary tool of enslavement.... without it the vampires are helpless , their power would wither away before their eyes in days.


If you are using dollars, you have no one to blame for the size of government and banks than yourself.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:47 | 4423103 Tall Tom
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What may surprise you is that there is more DEMAND for US Dollars in Foreign Countries than there is a DEMAND for US Dollars DOMESTICALLY.


Hear me out. Most US Dollars that were created by QE LEFT THE UNITED STATES and served to fuel the expansion of Foreign Economies, the Foreign Bubble Markets, as we EXPORT OUR INFLATION. (That is the reason why we do not experience Price Hyperinflation Domestically.) That is the reason that the Taper of QE Infinity hurt them more than it hurt us. There is no liquidity to keep their Bubble Markets growing by the utility of Inflation.


As the World's Reserve Currency we can Print and create New Currency almost at will. They cannot print...


Both you and I can act and diminish both Domestic and Foreign Demand for US Dollars. I have outlined steps for opting out in previous posts. This is not a justification to continue using US Dollars.  But as long as the Foreign Central Banks demand US Dollars then the Pyramid grows and DEMAND continues unabated as a self feeding inflationary spiral.


But Foreign Banks are getting wise to the Ponzi. They slowly are coming to the understanding that the USA cannot produce enough Goods and Services EVER in order to repay Debt. The Foreign Banks are LOSING CONFIDENCE that the US Dollars which they hold will be able to be traded for something of VALUE and Utility.


To add to that their Economies are Melting Down due to the inflating of their own Bubble Economies.


These two events will diminish the Foreign Demand for US Dollars as their Economies crumble.


This cannot last forever. And the Taper may be the pin that has pricked the World's Bubble Economies. And you cannot reinflate popped bubbles.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 04:30 | 4423096 Leraconteur
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Other citizens of the planet often deride the USA and criticise it and some of you wish for it's downfall.

You will, unfortunately, very soon (sooner than one decade, 2025) get your wish and see what the world will be like without the USA calling all of the power plays. The USA will be a major player as will China, but neither will be able to force the other to comport.

China will make the Americans look like a Danish member of Amnesty International in comparison.

It's gonna be horrific, and I pity you and your children. Really. It is going to be horrible.

China is seeking revenge for every slight from AD700 - present. Even Taiwanese propaganda channels on YouTube use the same victim language about 'unfair treaties' and how badly Europeans behaved. The Mainlanders are going to settle every score of the past 1500 years and that means many things - all of them bad for you. I can definitely foresee a future where Chinese in all nations cheer on as the Mainland takes everyone to task.

They started with Tibet, which is payback for Tibetan Empire looting of Xian 1300 years ago. Look for Mongolia to be acquired, parts of Russia and neighbouring nations to be made part of the empire again, and Japan to be diminished to a regional brown-noser of Chinese policies. Japan, everyone on the 8-Nation Alliance Team, even the Phillipines causes them to bloviate like irrational children.

They are going to do what they want and the only thing that will prevent this is another opposing force.

Sadly, history of empire points to a very near future where the USA is descendant as China's economy supercedes America's. The USA won't be able to control China. China will be like the USA - doing what it wants, when and where with no one to counter it.

The Chinese could be poorer than Mexcans but their aggregate GDP, and thus potential miltary posture, would be larger than the USA's. They don't even need to be as rich as Mexico, for this to come about.

The Chinese have a perpetual victim mindset. "Poor little China, always getting picked on by Phillippines, Vietnam, Japan, USA, Russia, etc." They will ALWAYS have this mindset.

Imagine the USA in 1950 with the same attitude, but having 1950 USA levels of relative strength and advantages in military and technological power.

You are going to want to be on another planet when the Chinese begin to behave as the Americans did in 1950, except the Chinese will be far, far worse and justify it the entire time as being the small helpless victim.

If you think an American-ised global culture was bad, just wait until you see what a Sino-fied global culture looks like.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:17 | 4423142 TheCosmicTaco
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Tue, 02/11/2014 - 05:26 | 4423152 Doom and Dust
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Well the Chinese have a hell of a lot of scheming, murdering, warmongering and human rights-trampling (all accompanied by self-indulgent moral grandstanding) to live up to if their hegemony is going to be anywhere near as bad as the US' has been since the 1950s. For me the choice between the Chinese 'victim mindset' and American narcissism is just a matter of (bad) taste.


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:05 | 4423521 Leraconteur
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If you knew Chinese history, you never would have posted the above. Either of you.

I won't even mention the 19th or 20th Centuries.

Until World War 2, the greatest man-made kill event IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET was the An Lu Shan Rebellion.

Up to 15% OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS ALIVE were killed.

Up to 66% of the population in China, dead. All long before Europe or the English Language existed.

China's history stretching back into the mists of pre-history is full of such events.

Then there was China beinig responsible for The Black Plague in Europe 1347-1354. Yuan mercenaries tossing tick-infested corpses over the walls of Crimean fortresses, spreading the Yunnan rat plague to the soldiers inside, who then boarded vessels and brought it to Italy.

That 'only' killed 50% to 75% of the European population.

Oh yeah, Americans much worse.../sarc

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 12:54 | 4424068 SilverRhino
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The US at least pay lip service that human life is valueable.   (Even with all the wars, abortions, etc) 

China:  Life is CHEAP.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:41 | 4423213 Zwelgje
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Agent provocateur at work.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:57 | 4423493 Leraconteur
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Incorrect. I am an American who moved to China 5 years ago, sees China for what it is, and I am trying to warn you.

The more I learn about China, the worse a future where China is the largest economy appears to be headed.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:14 | 4423276 messystateofaffairs
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Nobody with sense wants America to fail. We want you to regrow your balls, throw out your occupiers, and return to your first principles. Thats what will protect everyone from becoming Zionist or some other tyrant's serfs.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:02 | 4423325 Random
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Thank God for USA, huh?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 12:31 | 4423878 layman_please
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leraconteur, you have a point. china will unleash terror unseen on the world if the balancing power ceases to exist. to think otherwise is naiveté and wishful thinking. US is probably worst the world has ever seen, but us gov still sticks to a scintilla of remains from the constitution which force them to make an effort to at least keep the facade up.

on another note. what is quite common, especially here on zh message board, is the cheering for anybody opposing US empire. most recently it has been putin. this is way too black and white worldview. being against the US empire doesn't mean encouraging other elected dictators.

only opposing force to an empire is the people of the empire and i'm sorry to say this but you, US citizen, are doing a terrible job at it. there won't be a benevolent government, ever! especially from china or russia. 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 06:09 | 4423177 Sufiy
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Unprecedented Total Chinese Gold Demand For 2013 Was 2,181 Tons 

Yesterday WSJ, Reuters and Bloomberg have created a lot of buzz in mass media about unprecedented Chinese Gold demand of over 1,000 tons in 2013. Koos Jansen reports that actual demand was almost double that and stands at 2,181 tons of Gold, excluding PBOC purchases! Gold is trading higher today at high $1287 in Asia after breaching $1270 level. The Mother Of Short Squeeze has finally arrived in the Gold market and Janet Yellen testimony today will provide the catalyst.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:08 | 4423217 falak pema
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Sinic Monroe Doctrine ...

That sums it up well...up to a point. 

Pax Americana and its past references stay the yardstick for judging others today in Pax Americana Oil/Arms/Reserve monopoly age. 

All we now need is a Corn-cob pipe smoking Chinese General to organise the invasion of those disputed islands and we will have our General MacArthur of the Sino Philippines...

From an older prespective : The global contest in China Seas is on with the NEw Kublai Khan looking on at Japan as its next staging point. 

Its both an American Monroe-MacArthur analogy as well as the Sino Mongol invasions of 1274/1281 analogy that now becomes the scenario. 

Japan is definitely in the cross eyes of Sino-American stand off.

Who is prepared to play as Frederick II of Western Holy Empire to defy the new Mongol Horde?

The battle between East and West in those days had as frontier the Caucasian region around the Black and Caspian Seas-- (From current Sochi, East to Khazakhistan via Ferghana valley and beyond to Sino frontier--land of legendary silk-- and south to  Azerbaijan where the Baku Oil is; all territory of the Golden Horde). 

Doesn't that ring a bell? That is today the land of Putinistan in the making ! 

Teutonic knights (Euro Mutti), Slavic Empires (Putin), Holy Roman ambitions; aka Pax Americana; and Mongol expansion... we have all the ingredients for a new "bataille royale". 

Will Obammy and later Hillary incarnate the western challenge?

SOmething tells me the Obammy- Hollande discussions are about fence mending to define Western (Nato type) strategy both in ME (where Sino inroads are evident via joint Alexander Nevski-- Mongol Batu/Berke  Golden Horde alliance of old days) and further into Africa the new continent rising, now the new Ilkhanate of the old Mongol game. 

Geopolitics is difficult if the Reserve currency burns and the Jerusalem of Oil (Saud- Gulf kingdoms) become fragile in Syrian stalemate and IRan rising regional plays which make Pax Americana lose ALL its regional aces in the hole.

It must be remembered that Frederick II managed to keep Mongols out of Vienna, halting their advance into Europe, but lost the ME to the Mameluks 'cos he got sidelined in a Guelf Ghibelline civil war in Italy with the Pope. And his successor Saint Louis got thrashed in Holy land. In fact it was the Mameluk Arabs who solved the Mongol invasion problem. (Freedom is never given but taken as may be the scenario in coming years in the ME as in Africa rising.)

Where is the NEW MArco Polo to tell us what Chinese hegemony will look like in new Kublai's XANADU ?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:42 | 4423249 smacker
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"A Sinic Monroe Doctrine would likely include some mix of the following...

-       the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Japan and Korea,

-       U.S. naval retrenchment from east Asia, perhaps as far back as Hawaii,

-       a division of the Pacific into east/U.S. and west/China zones with a Chinese blue-water navy operating beyond the so-called second island chain running from Japan southeast to New Guinea,

-       an RMB currency bloc in southeast Asia and possibly Korea,

-       a regional trading zone,

-       foreign policies from China’s neighbors broadly in sync with its own."


I can't see some items on that list being carried out with USG acceptance. It has already ignored the unilateral Chinese ADIZ zone by flying bombers through it. And Japan/Sth Korea commercial flights ignore it.

There is substantial resistance to Chinese geo-political expansionism.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 07:48 | 4423252 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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1.3 Billion Chinese consuming every resource on the planet!

At that point, we could not even sell them plastic crap, because the oil to make the plastic crap would be gone.

So what are they going to buy from us with their new credit cards?


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:37 | 4423300 laomei
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Here's a Chinese hegemony in a nutshell.  China doesn't really care.  The US is running around with their little mini-base expedition, trying to establish forward operating bases all over the place.  The main reason why China is getting rather direct about the south china sea claims is due to:

These are not new claims, but backing them up prior was not realistic

The US, in a heartbeat, would love to setup bases on them to further screw with China, but as it is "disputed" at present, they don't dare try.  

All China really, honestly cares about is stability and commerce.  Domestic stability mean less shit to worry about.  Stability of trading partners means that investments and deals stay in place.  China does not care about foreign domestic policies or politics, they don't care if you are DPRK nutjobs, Iranian pariahs, Congolese baby raping warlords, Afghan taliban, Cuban commies, corrupt as all fuck Indians, Israeli genocidal regimes, or hypocritical Americans.  They literally do not care as long as the trade keeps flowing, China gets what it needs and has a market to trade with.  If you have a resource China wants and demand monthly cargo ships full of razor-tipped kiddie dildos, machetes and mobile rape-mobiles.  China will do it.  It's none of China's business why you want something.  China is an infinite walmart to the world with an agnostic checkout line.  The US on the other hand, has 2 lines.  One for buddies, and the other for everyone else, where they nitpick all purchases and make personal demands if they are to allow it.  What's that i see? A 3-ring binder? Well, what do you need it for? I see... well, here's the thing, if you want it, you'll need to let us supervise how you use it, oh and we'll be crashing some folks on your couch for the next decade... we also don't like your decorating, so that'll have to change if we allow it to happen... you'll have to use our contractors of course.  Endless bullshit.  China... no strings attached, because China does not care.  That's a Chinese hegemony, no need for military oppression when it's all economically beneficial to both sides.  Worst case, your trading partner gets overthrown, but because you don't care, you'll do business with the new guy too.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:09 | 4423339 TheFourthStooge-ing
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China... no strings attached, because China does not care.  That's a Chinese hegemony, no need for military oppression when it's all economically beneficial to both sides.  Worst case, your trading partner gets overthrown, but because you don't care, you'll do business with the new guy too.

This is the difference between wisdom and foolishness. Western leaders are afflicted with a pathological desire to control the world, which causes their flawed belief that other leaders have the same desire. They blind themselves to the repeated lesson of history  which shows every attempt to rule the world has been a waste of time, lives, and resources, ending in failure.

Hmmm, trade and commerce with all, entangling alliances with none - seems I've heard that somewhere before.

Thanks for the comment laomei.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:54 | 4423487 Leraconteur
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I honestly think that every non-Chinese person in the world needs at least a 2-year university degree in Chinese History.

Such blind ignorance in the above posts.

When the Chinese were last the global Hegemon; peaceful, and only cared about trade, no need for military oppression, they constructed the largest fleet of vessels ever known (superceded only by WW2-era navies). They then 'peacefully' sailed from Shanghai to the Red Sea, 'politely requesting tribute' in every port of call.

That's a threat, for those of you who cannot read. That it was polite and no shots were fired in anger matters not.

That's what early 15th C. China did.

Then there was Vietnam, India, I could go on. They have never been peaceful - their history consists of nearly constant warfare both internal and external.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:47 | 4423826 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Typical US citizen confusing Chineses with Chinese citizenism.

Made me laugh.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 13:22 | 4424143 laomei
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Wow, for one who makes claims of blind ignorance, you're the one displaying it clearest.

While the west was busy enslaving and genociding entire civilizations so they could burn their histories as "pagan" and melt down their precious metals to ship back home... 

Those treasure ships were not "politely requesting tribute" they were goodwill ships stashed full of gold, silver, silks and porcelain.  Which were gifts.  Received gifts in return was mostly animals and other random shit.  If anything the emperor told them to stop sending so much later on as it was excessively troubling to send it all.


Vietnam... Yep, China owned that for 1000 years or so.  If you're talking about the skirmish in 1979, murdering ethnic Chinese and occupying islands which did not belong to them... sino-soviet spit thing going on, and restoring traditional borders... oh, so scary.  India... border dispute left over thanks to the brits who apparently didn't know how to draw lines all that well.


Comparing hegemons, China's fucking tame.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:21 | 4423736 blueRidgeBoy
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did I read that right?  Western leaders are afflicted with a pathological desire to control the world?  As opposed to Eastern leaders?  Talk about being blind to history...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 12:44 | 4424037 laomei
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And of course, it's also the root of why the west is freaking out about it.  Because in China's position, they have a history of extreme violence.  The US and others are scared shitless because of their own historical actions and bullshit when in a similar position.  Nothing really more than a self-reflections of war criminals and state-sponsored terrorism.  My personal favorite was the failed US attempt to assassinate Zhou Enlai with a bomb on his plane, because he was just too good at non-violent diplomacy.  I can't really imagine China going that far to wipe out Kerry, but obviously, it's all the US can think about (cus they'd do it in a heartbeat if it meant they could funnel more government money to their war criminal buddies).


A nation which promotes infrastructure and crucial development projects which serve to improve markets so as to enable stronger ties.  Chinese merchants migrating to open up shop, and the locals complain "they work too hard" and "they have lower prices".  Workers are getting better wages, consumers are getting more options and better value.  And those merchants? A whole bunch of them end up staying, marrying locally and settling.  Further bonding the nations together.  That's not something new either, that's the way it's been forever.  That's why so much of Asia uses or used Chinese characters.  That was the basis for the tribute system... which basically consisted of giving gifts to keep relations close and trade flowing.  In return for those, let's call them embassies (in the old sense of the word), leaders would receive tokens of recognition to take back home effectively showing that they were backed by the Chinese Emperor, raising their status significantly, as well as the increased trade that followed.


China does not care about politics as long as those politics do not interfere with China's domestic policies.  It's something the US really cannot seem to understand at all.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:02 | 4427035 matrix2012
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@ laomei, very well said!!!  +1000

Among many other things those who are spitting the venoms ferociously today are much worrying the bad karmas they (or their predecessors) have been inflicting at present times or long in the past against the many of Asian people incl. the Chinese who fell into the terrible victims century-long, the natives in American and African continents!

Too bad that there are too many, even ZH frequent, who buy the MSM standard narratives of the "Yellow Perils"!

Frankly i don't see why this world need ANY HEGEMON to supplant the 'Merica role, and why China is willing to take up the new hegemonic role considering its costs and complexities, especially since China itself is having more than enough population to take care, and in no way China will open its country as widely as the 'Merica is doing... such policy is devastating and end up with countless free takers (FSA) eventually.

Nope! The world needs no more new hegemon to suppplant the ANGLO-SAXON and PAX-AMERICANA savage and devastating adventures. What the world really needs is to stop the current abuses, exploitations, looting, bullies, reckless and self-centered unipolar decisions and actions!!!

I do believe our world will just get better with NO single country acting as the hegemon!!!


Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:32 | 4423402 the not so migh...
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Chop Suey in every pot and a donkey in every garage

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 10:59 | 4423674 rwe2late
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 The "Yellow Peril" again (still) being used as fabricated excuse for belligerent US militarism and war crimes.

As former president LBJ claimed,  what he called the "yellow dwarfs" were trying to take over the world one "domino" after another.

Any resistance to US military or financial domination and expansion is labeled as "aggression".

Impartially examine the Japan-China island dispute, or ABE's jingoist and (US-backed) militarism, or Obama's so-called Asian pivot and his attempts to isolate China economically and militarily ...

then decide who is being belligerent.



Tue, 02/11/2014 - 11:18 | 4423726 blueRidgeBoy
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Chinese hegemony will make the world miss American hegemony.  Sort of like capitalism being the worst system except for all the others...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 14:51 | 4424511 TPTB_r_TBTF
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what? no Utopia?  But they promised me Utopia as soon as the US is History!

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 16:30 | 4424864 earleflorida
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'The China-Pivot Trammel?'... a precursor too manacling a, 'giant lotus flower', somnambulistically drowning in a blue-moon tidal'listing direction-- awoken'd and slapped by a emasculating rudderless wench(!) called, 'Hillary the Castrator'!?! Mr(s.)Clinton the 1st female president elected in 2016 willing to prove her (fee)malehood, declaring a superfluous WWIII upon the 'Other Yellow/Peril Race?'

She was nothing without Mr. Richard Holbrooke, nor was Obama's PakAf foreign policy, Period!!! Two hopeless leaders getting rich. Hillary should have been held accountable for Benghazi and fired!!! And, Obama should be impeached for a litany of crimes, starting with... not being a US Citizen-- overriding the constitution/articles, along with ObamaCare, while abandoning his fiscal responsibilities for his wars when he first took office!!!

She was a mistake that's about to become even another bigger mistake after Obama (it just keeps getting better!)! We're all fucked, unless we can change our elixer foreign`policy, and get it out of the hands of AIPAC! (I'll explain how important Iran is for our future with or without nukes-- later?, but I'll stay on subject?)

China... when threatened, will fight back? And, now with a strong military with a 'Golden Check-book', to back up the fight {(gold is the only exceptable form of equity during a war-- your country's currency means nothing if you lose... and the one with the most gold, WINS!!!)(when you fight wars... the allied country wants tangible goods or tangible gold/silver as payment, not paper... backed-up by a loser's fiat`fate!)}, period!

..., overreaching and encroaching on China's territory and meddling in its domestic institutions, or its affairs when deemed by China to be a legitimate threat... or, is facing a du(e)al manifesting and metastasizing gunboat diplomacy ( as it is today) blatant threat-- [will] surely go to war.   

Korea in 1950!

India in 1962!!

Soviet Union in 1969!!!

Vietnam in1979!!!

Note:  all the above, about a decade span on average but thirty-four years since, and a whole lot nastier if one were to test their back littoral waters?!? 


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:07 | 4426933 matrix2012
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look around the web for the news on the historic talks between China and Taiwan, most new sources quoted the lines from corporate media AFP; REUTERS and other familiar MSM names.

See some funny lines from AFP here: "...soured mood in Taiwan after Beijing refused to issue credentials to "Apple Daily" and "Radio "FREE" Asia"...

do you believe that??? what a crap, what  Radio "FREE" Asia has to do with the historic talks here??? LOL


"The mood surrounding the talks soured in Taiwan after Beijing refused to issue credentials to the Taipei-based Apple Daily and the US government-funded Radio Free Asia at the weekend. -AFP"



China and Taiwan hold historic talks (2014-02-11)

Mainland Affairs Council (MAC) Minister Wang Yu-chi embarks on his trip to mainland China to meet the Taiwan Affairs Office (TAO) Minister Zhang Zhijun today (Feb. 11). Heading to Nanjing and Shanghai for his four-day trip, Wang will meet Zhang mainly to discuss cross-strait relations.

The second item on Wang's itinerary is to visit the Sun Yat-sen Mausoleum on Feb. 12, followed by a speech at Nanjing University.

With sensitivities crucial, the room was neutrally decorated with no flags visible and nameplates on the table devoid of titles or affiliations.

The meeting was the fruit of years of slow efforts to improve political ties on the back of a burgeoning economic relationship.

"For us to simply sit at the same table, sit down to discuss issues, is already not an easy thing," Wang said in initial remarks, according to a statement.

"That we can sit here today, formally getting together, formally holding meetings, together exploring issues that people on both sides of the strait care about - this represents a new chapter for cross-strait relations, and is a day worth recording," he said, adding that he hoped Zhang could visit Taiwan "in the foreseeable future".


The mood surrounding the talks soured in Taiwan after Beijing refused to issue credentials to the Taipei-based Apple Daily and the US government-funded Radio Free Asia at the weekend. -AFP


these AFP-redacted versions appeared on many papers with slight variations

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