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Guest Post: How To Dismantle The American Empire

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Submitted by Laurence M. Vance via the Ludwig von Mises Institute,

This selection is from chapter 7 of Laurence Vance’s War, Empire, and the Military: Essays on the Follies of War and U.S. Foreign Policy, now available in the Mises Store.

The WikiLeaks revelations have shined a light on the dark nature of U.S. foreign policy, including, as Eric Margolis recently described it: “Washington’s heavy-handed treatment of friends and foes alike, its bullying, use of diplomats as junior-grade spies, narrow-minded views, and snide remarks about world leaders.”

As much as I, an American, hate to say it, U.S. foreign policy is actually much worse. It is aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling. It sanctions the destabilization and overthrow of governments, the assassination of leaders, the destruction of industry and infrastructure, the backing of military coups, death squads, and drug traffickers, and imperialism under the guise of humanitarianism. It supports corrupt and tyrannical governments and brutal sanctions and embargoes. It results in discord, strife, hatred, and terrorism toward the United States.

The question, then, is simply this: Can U.S. foreign policy be fixed? Although I am not very optimistic that it will be, I am more than confident that it can be.

I propose a four-pronged solution from the following perspectives: Founding Fathers, military, congressional, libertarian. In brief, to fix its foreign policy the United States should implement a Jeffersonian foreign policy, adopt Major General Smedley Butler’s Amendment for Peace, follow the advice of Congressman Ron Paul, and do it all within the libertarian framework of philosopher Murray Rothbard.

Thomas Jefferson, our first secretary of state and third president, favored a foreign policy of “peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.” This policy was basically followed until the Spanish-American War of 1898. Here is the simple but profound wisdom of Jefferson:

“No one nation has a right to sit in judgment over another.”


“We wish not to meddle with the internal affairs of any country, nor with the general affairs of Europe.”


“I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment.”


“We have produced proofs, from the most enlightened and approved writers on the subject, that a neutral nation must, in all things relating to the war, observe an exact impartiality towards the parties.”

No judgment, no meddling, no political connection, and no partiality: this is a Jeffersonian foreign policy.

U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler was the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. After leaving the military, he authored the classic work War Is a Racket. Butler proposed an Amendment for Peace to provide an “absolute guarantee to the women of America that their loved ones never would be sent overseas to be needlessly shot down in European or Asiatic or African wars that are no concern of our people.” Here are its three planks:

1. The removal of members of the land armed forces from within the continental limits of the United States and the Panama Canal Zone for any cause whatsoever is hereby prohibited.

2. The vessels of the United States Navy, or of the other branches of the armed services, are hereby prohibited from steaming, for any reason whatsoever except on an errand of mercy, more than five hundred miles from our coast.

3. Aircraft of the Army, Navy and Marine Corps is hereby prohibited from flying, for any reason whatsoever, more than seven hundred and fifty miles beyond the coast of the United States.

Butler also reasoned that because of “our geographical position, it is all but impossible for any foreign power to muster, transport and land sufficient troops on our shores for a successful invasion.” In this he was echoing Jefferson, who recognized that geography was one of the great advantages of the United States: “At such a distance from Europe and with such an ocean between us, we hope to meddle little in its quarrels or combinations. Its peace and its commerce are what we shall court.”

And then there is our modern Jeffersonian in Congress, Rep. Ron Paul, the only consistent voice in Congress from either party for a foreign policy of peace and nonintervention. In a speech on the House floor several months before the invasion of Iraq, Ron Paul made the case for a foreign policy of peace through commerce and nonintervention:

A proper foreign policy of non-intervention is built on friendship with other nations, free trade, and open travel, maximizing the exchanges of goods and services and ideas.


We should avoid entangling alliances and stop meddling in the internal affairs of other nations — no matter how many special interests demand otherwise. The entangling alliances that we should avoid include the complex alliances in the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, and the WTO.


The basic moral principle underpinning a non-interventionist foreign policy is that of rejecting the initiation of force against others. It is based on non-violence and friendship unless attacked, self-determination, and self-defense while avoiding confrontation, even when we disagree with the way other countries run their affairs. It simply means that we should mind our own business and not be influenced by special interests that have an ax to grind or benefits to gain by controlling our foreign policy. Manipulating our country into conflicts that are none of our business and unrelated to national security provides no benefits to us, while exposing us to great risks financially and militarily.

For the libertarian framework necessary to ensure a foreign policy of peace and nonintervention, we can turn to libertarian political philosopher and theoretician Murray Rothbard:

The primary plank of a libertarian foreign policy program for America must be to call upon the United States to abandon its policy of global interventionism: to withdraw immediately and completely, militarily and politically, from Asia, Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, from everywhere. The cry among American libertarians should be for the United States to withdraw now, in every way that involves the U.S. government. The United States should dismantle its bases, withdraw its troops, stop its incessant political meddling, and abolish the CIA. It should also end all foreign aid — which is simply a device to coerce the American taxpayer into subsidizing American exports and favored foreign States, all in the name of “helping the starving peoples of the world.” In short, the United States government should withdraw totally to within its own boundaries and maintain a policy of strict political “isolation” or neutrality everywhere.

The U.S. global empire with its 1,000 foreign military bases and half a million troops and mercenary contractors in three-fourths of the world’s countries must be dismantled. This along with the empire’s spies, covert operations, foreign aid, gargantuan military budgets, abuse and misuse of the military, prison camps, torture, extraordinary renditions, assassinations, nation building, spreading democracy at the point of a gun, jingoism, regime changes, military alliances, security guarantees, and meddling in the affairs of other countries.

U.S. foreign policy can be fixed. The United States would never tolerate another country building a string of bases around North America, stationing thousands of its troops on our soil, enforcing a no-fly zone over American territory, or sending their fleets to patrol off our coasts. How much longer will other countries tolerate these actions by the United States? We have already experienced blowback from the Muslim world for our foreign policy. And how much longer can the United States afford to maintain its empire?

It is time for the world’s policeman, fireman, security guard, social worker, and busybody to announce its retirement.


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Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:58 | 4426739 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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How to dismantle the american empire? Keep the demonrats and republicons around you at all times. Both work for the same boss, just ask pussy ass boehner.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:04 | 4426760 22winmag
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Significant and genuine change cannot and will not come from within the hoplessly corrupt system.


That's why I don't believe for a minute that the Tea Party [political bowel] movement is gonna make much difference.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:04 | 4426769 Mister Kitty
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The capitalists destroyed America when they sent the jobs overseas, and demonized the poor and the unions.  This problem is existential.  Bitches.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:12 | 4426781 TahoeBilly2012
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"U.S. foreign policy is aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling"...and Jewish...but they don't actually fight, or farm...they mostly complain about toilets at Olympics...since they can't really ski either.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:35 | 4426861 Oh regional Indian
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C'mon, just frigging say it already.

There is no United States of America. There is THE UNITED STATES  Corportionand then the State Subsidiaries of said corp.



Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:49 | 4427025 Jadr
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You should do some more research.  I did when I read about the idea of what you speak and it has been thoroughly debunked.  Type Act of 1871 hoax into google and do some reading.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:10 | 4427064 Oh regional Indian
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Jadr, the debunkers (just like Popular Mechanics de-bunked 9/11 truth) have been at it a long time.

The story is convoluted beyond both from a chinese whisper effect AND wilful mis-direction.

All you really need to understand is Oaths, Offices and Contracts.

Ruled by Bulls (Papal). 

And the trap door that springs will fuck with your mind.

Are you aware of Maritime Law and how it was "brought" to land?

Have fun...


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:17 | 4427075 Jadr
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Read up more.  Do your own real research rather than parroting others' information.  The Trafficant quote is incorrect.  A lot of the references to laws being passed are incorrect.  Stop taking things at face value and look deeper.  But then again, wasn't one of your blog posts about how you think you are the 2nd coming?

I spent a good amount of time reading the information regarding all of the topics you address regarding maritime law, and the US corp etc.  9/11 I think there was definitely things beyond the full story (anyone that paid attention and saw WTC 7 go down should have some questions whether they think its a full conspiracy or not).  I don't claim to have knowledge of things I don't fully have the answers for.  But I do my own research and try to reach the best conclusions I can.  It is much easier to debunk something then to prove a mysterious fact and the whole US corp thing is a farce, it is a bunch of people all parroting the same information all based on the same sources which are spreading false information.  I approach every thing I come across with an open mind and do deeper research rather than simply taking someone's word at face value.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:29 | 4427084 Oh regional Indian
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Jadr, let us agree to disagree. Like I said, everything is not verifiable, but there is enough factual evidence to justify the dive.

It's too deep to get into the discussion here.

Good luck...



PS: No, second coming was Spiritoftruth. I'm the first coming of myself, thank you very much! ;-)

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:12 | 4427141 Jadr
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Fair enough and sorry for getting you mixed up with that person.  I do encourage you to look into the topic some more from the other side and evaluate their citations and claims of misleading information being included in the source text of what many people use as their proof for the argument you have made.  Like I said in my other post, I approached the topic with an open mind and after considerable research I found the claims that the information provided by those making the argument you have are based on incorrect information.  The most damning evidence for me was learning that the bills they claimed laid the foundation for US Corp actually were different laws entirely and relied on the reader not actually looking into their citations.  However, believe what you like, I will lose no sleep over it, and with that, good night.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:56 | 4427185 AldousHuxley
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You call America an "empire" and criticize her foreign policy????


An empire's foreign policy has always been to conquer foreign lands and divy up the winnings, eliminate sitting elites, enslave the population, and steal the resources.


America just does a better cover up job with hollywood propaganda. neo-colonialism is using corporations to legitimately transfer wealth over. 


British had her East India Company

Dutch had her Royal Dutch Petroleum Company (aka. "Shell") in Dutch East Indies


"Crown Corporations" are alive and well.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 04:03 | 4427192 Oh regional Indian
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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:04 | 4427319 new game
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all power structure managed by humans evolve to empires.

never fucking enough, like squirrels... 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:06 | 4427380 GetZeeGold
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How To Dismantle The American Empire


The unofficial name for it is Obamacare.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:13 | 4427390 insanelysane
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....U.S. foreign policy is actually much worse. It is aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling.


....U.S. DOMESTIC policy is actually much worse. It is aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling.


Fixed it!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:31 | 4427421 new game
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edit to fix; every fucking where!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:41 | 4427436 new game
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last squirrel i shot didn't have enough-hehe. tasty bugger. if only it could have enjoyed the fruits of its labor.  that's my story of the day...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 09:33 | 4427533 HardAssets
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'America'  "British'   'Dutch'

Just who do you exactly mean by such words ?

Is it the average person living within certain geographic areas - - - the ones who actually end up paying & dying for 'empire' and the other silly words used by socio-path/psycho-paths to manipulate the people ?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:49 | 4427786 Son of Captain Nemo
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All so very true AH

But you fail to mention the glaring contradiction between those Western European Nations that didn't have a "All men are created equal... with inalienable rights... to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness"...  Tell that to the native Americans and 200 years of slavery when these “gentlemen” wrote the Constitution, especially Mr. Jefferson as profoundly dignified as his contributions were to the laws of the land.  T

Trust me I have no illusions whatsoever that America has gotten it wrong from it’s inception and that those words have been a lie to promote nothing more or less than a façade as Thomas Malthus stated “The histories of mankind are histories only of the higher classes” and as eloquent as Smedley Butler, Rothbard and Paul have been on how to remedy the situation we are now in, there is no solution for putting the "genie back in the bottle", only disgruntled masses with guns that are by the hour being betrayed by the very politicians that represent them habitually breaking the law in contradiction to the oaths they took to protect and defend them!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 04:17 | 4427197 zhandax
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And now that is settled, back to the article at hand.  I love this part, "In brief, to fix its foreign policy the United States should implement a Jeffersonian foreign policy".  I have a problem understanding just which dimwit 'of influence' is tasked with this.  Pelosi?  The horse thief?  The immigrant?  One of the fat old blondes?  The crybaby?  Ted Teaparty?  Rand Paul?  The Vicksburg KKK will surround the beltway with 12 gauges?  I love a good fairy tale as much as the next guy, but this is just an Austrian wet-dream.  Tell me to go vote and I will delete your bookmark.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:01 | 4427221 jeff montanye
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not to worry, obama has found his calling.  he's "really good at killing people."

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:44 | 4427353 JoBob
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Both Oh regional Indian and Jadr should get extra points in demonstrating an intelligent exchange of ideas, for disagreeing in a civilized manner, and for remaining positive.


Thanks to both of you!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:34 | 4427424 new game
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the fight club has ropes around the ring and end of round dingger. not to mention peers that will not tolerate BULLSHIT, AND STUPIDITY...

now if we could put the ropes to better use...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:24 | 4428129 Dr. Destructo
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Indeed. A round of intellectual fisticuffs that ends in a civil 'handshake' is definitely worth points at the very least.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 09:25 | 4427507 Sean7k
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Start here. Then move on to "The Rape of Justice" by Mullins. Additional material can be found at: 

Hopefully, you will read and do "real" research. There is a lot of tenuous information out there, but you are just as blind if you assume the status quo to be correct. It is difficult to challenge all we have been taught to believe, but in my research, I have found the ruling paradigm to be the greatest lie ever told. Therefore, I assume the State is lying and proceed from there.

"The Creature of Jekyll Island"

"The Curse of Canaan"

"The Controversy of Zion"

"Bloodlines of the Illumnati"

"Hitler's War"

Good Luck!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:18 | 4426811 boogerbently
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"How To Dismantle The American Empire"

Bankrupt (moral and financial), Lie, Vaginify.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:10 | 4427232 jeff montanye
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i would think bankrupt, truth and vaginify, relatively speaking.  more brooksley born, sheila bair, elizabeth warren, colleen rowley, ruth ginsberg, sonia sotomayor.  less hilary clinton, dianne feinstein, elena kagan. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:29 | 4427414 dougngen
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Maybe you should move the land of Union Nirvana there comrade?? Wait, is this Barrack???

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:19 | 4426803 Doubleguns
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The tea party already made one hell of a difference. They stopped the out of control govt from doing a lot worse things if the house, senate and prez all were one party still,  just think of the problems. Tea party changed that in 2010. Nothing getting done is much better than all the things that would have been done "TO" you had that not have been stopped. Thankfully they showed up at the last minute, like the cavalry playing the bugle they came charging in and stopped the downward spirl by flipping the house. Yep stopped their tracks. 4 years later and still hanging on by a thread but.....still hanging on. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:22 | 4426824 i_call_you_my_base
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What has not gotten done? What are all these things the tea party prevented?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:35 | 4426860 Doubleguns
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Ask Obama, he complains about it all the time. Your not paying attention. He now insists he will have to do it himself with a pen and executive orders. How is is possible you have missed this?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:47 | 4426891 TheReplacement
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He did not miss this.  He is, how you say, disinformation agent provocateur.  Just try to imagine that with a nice eastern European accent and you'll know what I'm going for.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:17 | 4426964 Doubleguns
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Should have added the /s. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:42 | 4426887 TheReplacement
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Gun control.  Disarmarment.  Resistance.  Civil war.  Mass slaughter.  Invasion.  Mass slaughter.  Tax.  Cheat.  Rinse.  Repeat.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:43 | 4426880 notadouche
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Then why does Obama, Reid, Boehner and the like point the finger at them as standing in the way of all of this squads brilliant ideas.  Why is the press shitting all over them and they continue to be insulted in the press.  You don't waste your time, money and resources in order to discredit this particular group?

I have no infliain but find it interesring;

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:03 | 4427052 Doubleguns
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And why sic the IRS on them? 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:12 | 4426785 TruthInSunshine
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PNAC = The Project for immersing the United States into counter-productive wars & disastrously expensive military conflict, destabilizing the American Economy & inverting its socioeconomic order, and firmly bootstrapping the skis of Empire Decline on the USA, all to enrich an infinitesimally small fraction of a percentage of dual/non-loyal "citizens," off vast amounts of the actual remaining taxpayer lifeblood, before lighting a match and "torching the joint."

Hey look! The link references Donald Kagan! He gets around (as does his wife):

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:53 | 4427113 JohnG
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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:50 | 4427264 Disenchanted
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TIS...Ron Paul forgot to mention one entangling alliance here in this quote of him from above:

"The entangling alliances that we should avoid include the complex alliances in the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, and the WTO."


Do you know which one I mean...and why is it he wouldn't mention that one?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:17 | 4426960 Sinnedi
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I will one up you one and say get rid of the illuminati-secret societies that have plagued the world with bloodlines that have existed for 1000s of years.

this jabs at masons but I like masons. Though there is way worse groups. 

And they have existed for one reason to rule.

If a 12 year old can find out this what else could you find out if you research. 

And then distribute all of the knowledge so everyone can be "enlightened". And that secret knowledge could be taught in all of schools. All suppressed technology would also be allowed if we do this. 

AKA this. and other taboo subjects.

Then raise the world through individualism on a singular level and shape society through giving each person a different way of being brought up just for them.

Then make all governments liable to the problems that they cause to their citizens via harassment and propaganda/Make the govts transperant so the normal on the ground person could see what is going on.


Oh wait maybe I am just dreaming. 


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:34 | 4426989 bankrun
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How to dismantle the American empire?


This entire post is useless. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. The US has 50 million dissidents primed and ready. Disable EBT for 12 weeks and the shit show is on.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:48 | 4427360 JoBob
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bankrun:  Disable EBT for 12 weeks and the shit show is on.

And what will the dissidents be doing for the 11 weeks following the first week? The show will be over by then!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:34 | 4427348 SAT 800
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Doesn't tell you how to dismantle it. misleading title. But at least we can understand it. MIC likes to spend taxpayer dollars. So the problem is MIC MIC MIC MIC MIC; and so on.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:06 | 4426743 Doubleguns
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How US citizens are treated by our own govt should be a clue to the problem. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:02 | 4426757 LetThemEatRand
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Where do you stand on Snowden, Mises Institute?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:15 | 4426795 Ignatius
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LTER, what's your take?

At first I cheered, but lately things don't smell right.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:25 | 4426828 LetThemEatRand
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My take is that the guys spinning Snowden in a negative light are extremely expert at making his revelations smell funny.  He changed the world.  If he's a fraud and they trotted him out to get us used to the idea that they are spying on us, we're so fucked I don't want to think about it.  But ultimately, I don't give them that much credit.   They are good at misinformation.  Snowden gave us information.   They hate us for our freedoms.

EDIT:  not your downvote.  Good and legitimate question.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:27 | 4426839 i_call_you_my_base
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Agree with you. It's way too elaborate. If it's a scheme it's one of the best of all time.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:38 | 4426862 Ignatius
Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:41 | 4426878 i_call_you_my_base
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I said one of the best.

If they just wanted to leak the info, that's easy. There are already channels for that. Why manufacture a Snowden? A subversive hero? It's not what you would want if you were them.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:49 | 4426897 Ignatius
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Fair points.  I take nothing at face anymore.  Used to, but not anymore.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:58 | 4426925 weburke
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well sure it is ! now, most americans think that a guy standing on a streetcorner of china can reveal something and the media is right there ready to trumpet new truth !  our delusional belief in media as  watchdogs has been strengthened, and the endlessly false show can continue with most folks still watching and believing. those naughty overlords, they play with the puppet media with complete control. watch the show, dont dream of changing it, but believe like you do any tv movie.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:08 | 4426947 i_call_you_my_base
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"our delusional belief in media as  watchdogs has been strengthened"

Not really. There is little association with the media or investigative journalism. It was Snowden who leaked the information. That's what people know.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:31 | 4426981 weburke
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yes, "that's what the people know" Let the squawkers emerge......reminds me of............

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:41 | 4426874 Ignatius
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Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has raised valid questions which I'm too tired to reiterate.

Questions for me.  No definitive conclusions as yet.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:07 | 4427062 UselessEater
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Exactly. The valid questions keep rolling in and the answers fade into the back ground of mainstream media pick-up, book deals, trickle data and useful-idiot-elite foundation funding and ties for future mainstream media and book deals that are destined to become "free-independant-alternate-media".... check out the Daily Bell; they have their own views but the media 'meme' concept is interesting and conforms to Tavistocks work.... not sure I agree with Skousen but Snowden fits the meme he describes to generate hate/distrust of the US to a new level that precipates MIC profiteering wars for questions of Snowden are reluctantly painting me into a this-is-a-set-up-for-govt-bad-private-sector-harmless STFU corner; but I am grateful to know how monitored I am and that my tax went to the 5-Eyes... so grateful....errmmm that was sarcasm for the ZH'r that gets befuddled in a quick read

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:55 | 4426911 Radical Marijuana
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"we're so fucked I don't want to think about it ..."

We are so many trillions of times more fucked that it is impossible to comprehend how fucked that is!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:00 | 4427273 Disenchanted
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re: "Snowden gave us information."

Actually he and his handlers* promised a lot more than they've actually given...much the same as Assange/Wikileaks.


* Greenwald and cohorts

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 09:07 | 4427456 johny2
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Regarding Snowden.


It is possible that Snowden is 100% genuine ( as I believe ) and at the same time he is being used (also my belief ). The fact that MSM published his revelation is the reason I do believe so.

As to reason, I think NSA is more dangerous than it can be allowed to be.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 09:54 | 4427606 HardAssets
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LetThemEatRand - that's too broad a brush to paint those who have doubts about Snowden.

The most effective & credible guy questioning the whole Snowden matter, IMO, is investigative reporter Jon Rappoport. He speculates that Snowden could represent interagency rivalry between NSA and CIA over funding. He doesn't think some young guy was just able to walk out with all those secrets on a thumb drive.

Just websearch Rappoport and Snowden to read his arguments for yourself. There are many aspects to the Snowden story that are suspicious.

Information about how peoples rights are being violated is good to have out in the open. No argument there.

But, people seem too anxious to uncritically jump on the hero worship band waggon.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:07 | 4426772 denverdolomte
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How To Dismantle The American Empire? 

1. Completely internet, no phones, stop driving, stop buying shit, stop paying taxes. 

2. The military saying enough is enough and stop fighting and come home on their own.

3. Stop voting, contributing.

4. Self education, build communities around you and promote peace / prosperity on a local level.

5. Teach children about the truth of what is really around them their entire lives.

**This in essences would leave those elite bunch with their junk in their hands ass up in their own shit.


Reality :: Not going to happen before it's to late. Unless balls of steel were handed out at every street corner. Who knows, one can hope. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:34 | 4426789 Dick Buttkiss
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Since 1 though 5 aren't going to happen, I recommend you duck and cover — —  while otherwise going about your business.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:10 | 4426786 Gringo Viejo
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Is it just me, or would anyone else like to butt-fuck Flo, the progressive insuarance lady?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:20 | 4426813 Doubleguns
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It's just you!!! 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:49 | 4427180 kurt
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It's the hair and you guys are between 43 and 59. You want to do it in the butt because you are frustrated and dissappointed but remember a girl that looked like her, with a big hairy bush. Those were the days, my friend.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:18 | 4426804 Ignatius
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Author Douglas Valentine sure provides some excellent clues and historical analysis.

A must listen:

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:21 | 4426818 Flakmeister
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If someone is going to have to meddle, it might as well be the US....

Can you imagine Russia or China as top dog? Shudder...


Please no naive comments, there has always been a top dog, maybe not globally until recently, but certainly locally....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:07 | 4426938 Anusocracy
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"there has always been a top dog"

Top doggy-style is a gift from the animal world.

It only continues because the humanimals want it to.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 09:08 | 4427460 johny2
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you have been trained well.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:29 | 4427713 Flakmeister
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Yep, all I have is 5000 years of recorded history telling me that someone always gets an itch to be #1....

Go back to your sweet innocent dreams my child...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:34 | 4427933 johny2
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I agree that it is the way it has been and is. And probably will be for as long as we are. The difference between our opinions is that I believe that change of the top dog is natural and necessary phenomena, while you think the top dog should be left in the charge. I am sure vast majority who recieve less scrapovers from top dogs feast then you and me do, they would agree with me.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:57 | 4428008 Flakmeister
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Yes, the top dog will change, lets just say that the alternatives don't look too appealing at the moment...

Now, if the Danes or Canadians were in line to the throne, I might play a different tune...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:14 | 4428067 johny2
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it is the frequency of the change that makes top dog more aware of the need to share. Danes and Canadians could surprise too, to me they seem quite ordinary humans, with all that means.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:20 | 4426822 nowhereman
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Most Americans can't even see the problem.

Just watch any sporting event.

You can't view any event without the preamble of god and country. The big flag. The fly over. The troops. My country right or wrong.

Shit you people are one fucked up bunch of hegemonic terrorists as there ever was. 

Go to any airport, that's all you need to know about what your country thinks of you.

Go to any airport, and it speaks volumes about how little Americans think about, and exercise their freedom.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:31 | 4427160 bunnyswanson
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Tunnel vision seems to be epidemic.  If you look at the big picture, you'll see more people came out to vote in 2008 since the beginning of man.  Sure, they were fooled by a smooth-taking grifter but when the media tells you he is A-OK and you see this man in Germany in front of a crowd of 100,000 people cheering like he was JC himself, you figure you can't go wrong and after 8 years of a spoiled brat catering to his "base" and the neverending list of HIS failures, after 2 terms, you vote for the man that is in front and center.  And the young people did.  Then, they went to OWS to correct their mistake.  Did you miss that too?


Americans, at this point in time, are doing the best they can under the circumstances, and those circumstances are joblessness, indebtedness, ruined credit, no prospects, a police state, a national debt that could send them onto ships sailing to China's Shoe Town if history repeats itself, and worse.  By now, everyone knows sinister events are unfolding but WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO THAT THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY?


And tell me, what have you done besides disparaging words in comment sections.  These boys crossed the ts and dotted every fucking.  They are good and they are winning.  This war is on the middle class.  Corporations find us too much trouble to deal with and now, after stealing the wealth we have acquired, they have no use for us.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:55 | 4427267 Disenchanted
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+1 bunny...but this thing went off the rails long before Bush and Obama.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:21 | 4426823 stant
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we dont want to be a empire. we just want to be free. we can tend to our own needs if left alone

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:47 | 4426898 Tasty Sandwich
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Tell that to the people on the grain dole.


In 58 BC, the patrician-turned-plebeian Clodius Pulcher advanced a popularist political agenda in his bid for the tribunate by offering free grain for the poor. The expense was considerable, and Julius Caesar later reformed the dole. Augustus considered abolishing it altogether, but instead reduced the number of the recipients to 200,000, and perhaps later 150,000.

Later emperors all used free or greatly subsidized grain to keep the populace fed. The political use of the grain supply along with gladiatorial games and other entertainments gave rise to the saying "Bread and circuses". As the empire continued, the annona became more complex. During the reign of Septimius Severus, olive oil was added to the distribution. During the reign of Aurelian, however, a major reorganization of the alimenta took place. It appears that he ceased to distribute free grain; instead, he issued free bread, and added salt, pork and wine to the dole, which was provided free or at a reduced cost. These measures were continued by successive emperors.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:54 | 4427367 BeansMcGreens
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At the time of Augustus the population of the city of Rome was around one million, so 150,000 on the grain dole would have been around fifteen percent. Today in the US the number of the population receiving foodstamps is not quite fifteen percent of the population. Isn't history interesting.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:31 | 4426845 DeliciousSteak
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If you don't control trade, someone else does, and you follow their preferences. Would you like the American jewish community control it, the Russian jewish community, or the Chinese?

Of course, they might be one and the same.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:51 | 4426900 Tasty Sandwich
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The fall of Rome ushered in the Dark Ages.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, the US was able to maintain relative world stability.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:04 | 4426935 kchrisc
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"The question, then, is simply this: Can U.S. foreign policy be fixed?"

You'll have to ask the banksters if they'll allow it to be fixed.

I'm presuming the answer is a "definate no."

So that leaves us with the Four Rs:

The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying , quit playing
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:09 | 4426944 ebworthen
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Smedley Butler had it right and knew exactly what he was talking about.

There is no excuse for the lives lost since he wrote "War is a Racket", not to mention the hard earned tax dollars blown on the Military Industrial Complex (M.I.C.)

Much more important though is the waste of lives; a tragic loss of good people - most of whom volunteered.

Hangings are due for the complicit members of the kleptoligarchy, all of them.

The only way this changes is if the Military instigates restoration of The Constitution.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:29 | 4427722 Flakmeister
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Read up on the Dulles brothers and the Law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell....

Stuff that isn't taught in your history class....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:14 | 4426948 Drifter
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Article is nonsense. He says dismantle then talks about fixing it. 

It can't be fixed.  Nobody has the guts to fix it.

Dismantle is the only option, and secession is the only possible method. 

Secession is straightforward, constitutional ...and won't happen because states don't have the guts either.

America is a nation of sheep run by a pack of wolves.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:32 | 4427002 Sid James
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A pack of wolves have a pretty limited agenda; they attack to eat.  What moral imperative is the USA hiding behind to justify its insanely aggressive behaviour?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:44 | 4427019 denverdolomte
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Financial interests. That's it.


I agree though wolves, along with any other predatory animals, hunt to survive. Animals do not wage wars, unless to protect their territory, they only take what they need. US Foreign Policy is so far out of whack in every sense it's unexplainable except that its for the enrichment of a few elite. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:00 | 4427040 Drifter
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You're right, wolves don't have human greed, so let's say "pack of bankers" ...which actually is the case.

And they're not hiding behind any "moral imperative" anymore, they don't care about any moral cover story anymore, they figured out Americans are gutless sheep, they don't care what we think.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:20 | 4427078 denverdolomte
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Exactly. Newtonian relativity would state that every action has adverse reaction to a sense. I enjoy watching them fiddle around, because one day heads will roll. Just as they have done time and time again throughout history. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:18 | 4427879 HardAssets
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Do a little reading & research on socio-path/psycho-paths.  That will tell you much.

They are physically unable to feel empathy for other human beings. . . even true love for their own families. Everyone is an 'object' to them to be manipulated and used.

They get a thrill out of having power over others. They will do absolutely Anything to get what they want.

They enjoy hurting others . . . just for the hell of it.

The more they harm others . . . the more harm they will do in the future. They need to ratchet it up in order to get the same thrill they got before.  Some ask "They have vast money & power . . . why do they feel the need to have even more ?  Why the need to control every human being on the planet ?"  This is why. They are addicted, like someone on heroin.

They tend to self destruct (because of that need to constantly ratchet it up).  In time, the victims of their actions have been so harmed that they have nothing to lose, and revolt.

The dumb masses better figure it out quicker this time around.  The socio-path/psycho-paths now have thermonuclear weapons and the capacity to guide their followers into destroying all life on the planet. (Its the sheeple that push the physical buttons, not the leadership.)

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:18 | 4426961 gwar5
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American Empire was built on fraud and is being dismantled by same the fraudsters to move their operations onto a supranational global stage.  Won't be pretty.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:19 | 4426963 gwar5
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American Empire was built on fraud and is being dismantled by same the fraudsters to move their operations onto a supranational global stage.  Won't be pretty.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:31 | 4427000 Aquarius
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Obviously, the PNAC (and all that hangs off it including the Author Trotskyites) says it all really:

After having driven capitalism into the ground with instilled global communism and silent bolshevism,

the grande idea is continuous warfare until global domination is achieved (which will and can never be).

It's a pseudo-academic thing derived out of masturbation and sexual repression amongst its upper classes of neo-con-ism.

These people are so intellectually deprived and challenged that they still believe is blood sacrifices, statism, roll-your-eyes daemons under every bush, vampires and devil worship. The root of the US both domestic and foreign Policy commences, in modern terms, begins with Marx and Engels, but more importantly, with Lenin effected by Trotsky and later Schmidt, Strauss et al. and of course, the expressed success of their wet-dreams - at least this is what they think - by Joseph Stalin. During the beginning of Clinton's Administration, these people were openly referred to in the Press, but by the Pentagon, etc, as the "Fu*king Crazies (my emphasis).

Greenspan knew, and comprehended that the USA was and is a failed "State" due to bureaucratic styles of unfettered corporate America fuelled by the desires to make "money". Hence he, Greenspan, openly and publically lobbied for the Iraq invasion during Clinton's Administration (see the public forums of the Press) and continued on during the Bush the Moron Adminstration. Now what Banker's does not have as his/her default Plan B as War, when he reaches then end of competence, capability and cognisance - this is an undisputable historic fact.

Look around but past all the forensic apologist arguments and commentaries; the USA is in the final state of socio-economic collapse which is obviously and clearly being run from Tel Aviv and this collapse has been glaringly accelerating rapidly since 2001. Now we have the TPP and its cousins being secretly implemented throughout the world so that the USA can control in its intended Totalitarian apparatus for the World through forceful imposition, force, incarceration, slavery, genocide, theft assisted ably and a priori, by the Stazi Optimum Prime, the global last word in stealth and deception, the NSA; the peerless force of blackmail, coercion and data manipulation, before the collapse, and before all thos Corporate Bodies, shift to other geo-locations.

But, will this US Neocon PNAC Policy for global domination work? The simply answer is No.

Why? Because it violates the Prime Universal Principle of Duality.

But Aye, the USA and Israel can bomb us, torture us, steal from us, destroy us, murder us and incarcerate us and all those other things that American's enjoy, but in the end they will fail, and fail badly.

Why? Because since the beginning of time (our), the Aggregated Good always has defeated the Aggregated Evil and this debate has been alive in humanity since Circa 12,000BCE or thereabouts (as in the written record). Add to this, their plan is to destroy the consumer. So what comes after that; eating your own?

Ho hum

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:31 | 4427001 BeerMe
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The empire is dead.  It must be broken up like the USSR.  It is now obvious that we must break into 4 or 5 seperate countries.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:27 | 4427156 wretch
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I thought 2 or 3 were obvious.  4 takes more thought, but 5 is definitely not obvious.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:54 | 4427312 22winmag
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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:57 | 4427042 JailBanksters
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First Off....

The USA does not have a Foreign Policy.

It has Israel's Foreign Policy that Israel wants the USA to have. Unless the USA kicks Israel out of the USA, the USA will never have their own Foreign Policy.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:01 | 4427224 bunnyswanson
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A soldier explains the dilemma. (couple of minutes) - Very sad.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:00 | 4427044 kurt
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Yes to all. But we must also extend the philosophy to twisted sisters like NGO's with Foundations, and thinktanks, especially the Fabianesque Mental Case Elite (pig fuckers) who actually believe the Report from Iron Mountain and The Club of Rome; those who fixated on some crappy Malthusian 1960's episode of Twilight Zone who jiz their pants over mass murder, and give speeches in front of people WHO NEVER WORKED A DAY IN THEIR LIVES. We have to create a border that keeps them out as well or better somehow pasteurizes them, forever.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 02:10 | 4427063 acetinker
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It's not that the US empire can be fixed, it's that the US empire will be fixed.  The only question is: Whether from within or without?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:10 | 4427138 basho
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chjna and russia are doing the job lol

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:46 | 4427175 Johnny Cocknballs
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Both wikileaks and al qaeda never target Israel.  Which seems odd...

Tarpley is a Marxist shithead but he is likely right about wiki.  And about Snowden.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:56 | 4427184 Kirk2NCC1701
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It should be pretty obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than room temp, that putting on the brakes (on spending and deficits) is NOT working.

Ergo, to end this shit-show ASAP, it's time to gun it and put the pedal to the metal: Spend galore and let the house of cards, smoke and mirrors crash once and for all.

Spend, Congress, spend! Yiha!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:45 | 4427259 Johnny Cocknballs
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I suspect what Netanyahu said about the US blowing away once "they" are done with it is worth bearing in mind.  Keeping America the tip of the spear...  for remaking the Middle east...

I am fervently anti coercion and anti-violence, but if it ever does come to civil war, much would seem to depend on how awoken  {awaked?} the Marine Corp is.


Of course, Rangers lead the way.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:27 | 4427217 honestann
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I have a better idea.  Recognize the truth, that so-called "governments", "corporations", "authorities", "agencies", "law" and endless other abstract mental units do not exist.  Because, if humans "cannot handle the truth" as Jack Nicholas once said, humans are finished.  And not just finished, but on the verge of suffering on a scale beyond anything before in human history as mankind spirals towards its ultimate end... abject slavery, followed by termination.

EVIL cannot be fixed.  EVIL is EVIL.  A is A.  To even begin to imagine that the most virulent, self-conscious predators in the history of mankind will "reform themselves" is perposterous.  You might as well try to convince scorpions to willingly surrender themselves for stinger removal.  Not gonna happen.  Ever.

There is only one solution.  The good news is, the solution is utterly trivial, easy to comprehend, and in-your-face obvious (at least in retrospect).  The bad news is, at this point in history, humans are too completely and fundamentally insane to see, much less comprehend, much less act upon even the most obvious aspects of reality.

I've been through this before, to the point of harping.  But I'll lay it out one more time.  This is sooooo simple, that pretty much every honest human being can and will understand this.  However, they will eventually turn away from whatever understanding they reach, because Jack Nicholson was right, humans cannot handle the truth.

Of course the reason they cannot handle the truth is... they've been thoroughly and very effectively brainwashed and programmed to avoid any understanding that might be a crack in the "official mindset" they have lived within for their entire lives.  Some call that mindset "the matrix", which is one term for this phenomenon.

The more fundamental way to identify the fundamental point that any human must understand and not turn away from is usually what I describe first.  However, perhaps the more effective way to introduce this point is to first show how this fundamental fallacy works in practice.  So that's what I'll do first.

Think about the so-called "founding fathers".  Most of us can agree that Thomas Jefferson and a few of his collaborators were smart dudes to varying degrees, and certainly we can all related to various quotes attributed to Thomas Jefferson and friends.

However, let us clearly and simply identify what happened circa the 1770s and 1780s in the north american continent... after a brief description of the 300 years before that time.

Before 1492, the americas were already occupied by millions and millions of people (the exact number not entirely clear).  These peoples had their own defacto system of interaction, or "organization" if you prefer.  This was hundreds, and possibly thousands of small [sometimes mobile/migratory] voluntary and semi-voluntary associations, separated by open-space AKA "frontier" or "wilderness".  Any individual could live with those individuals who might be called the "association" or "tribe" he was born into... as long as he wished.  If and when an individual didn't like the modus-operandi or "rules" practiced by the "tribe" he lived with, could "take a hike", gather his personal belongings and supplies [and family and/or friends], get on his horse, and go settle anywhere in the wilderness he wished.

In other words, with all its many faults (and there seem to have been many), the fundamental structure of the americas was individualism and liberty.  Every individual could associate as long as he or she wished... but if and when he desired, forge his own existence his own way in the wilderness, or hang out with any other association or "tribe" that operated more to his liking [and would accept him].

This was the state of affairs before our [supposed] heroes decided they knew better.

Now we fast forward to the 1770s and 1780s.  First, recognize that the individual humans most people today call "the founding fathers" were... simply individual human beings.  Period.  They were not god, they were not gods, they were the same as the other billion humans on the planet --- simply individual human beings.

So, these dozen or three (I don't know how many) individuals decide to meet and discuss the general state of affairs, some 300 years after they and their fellow gringos sailed across the ocean blue for "a freer life".  At some point, these individuals form a general plan grossly influenced by their background in Europe, where "kings" and "emperor" types owned and/or ruled millions within utterly arbitrary and artificial (and often changing) geographical boundaries.  Even though these individuals lived in a place where a more literal form of individualism existed, they allowed their native brainwashing to infect their thinking processes in the most fundamental of ways.  And the rest is "history" as they say (or more correctly, the rest is so-called "official history").

These individuals absorbed the same kind of utterly insane delusions of grandeur that infected so-called "kings", "queens", "emperors" and "royalty" in Europe.  It wasn't enough for them to adopt the vastly superior example practiced in their new home continent and form their own "tribe" that applied only to "those individuals who voluntarily joined their tribe".  No.  That would be... too much like actual, literal, honest individualism, freedom, liberty.

No, they suffered the same fundamental brainwashing that virtually the entirety of mankind suffer today --- the assumption of fundamental, unavoidable, inherent slavery.  The assumption that everyone within some huge geographical region must be obligated and controlled by some utterly fictional non-existent "entity".

To those of us who understand individualism, these are not our "founding fathers".  No way, no how.  We observe the obvious.  Which is?

Well, first of all we observe what is utterly obvious.  If some small [or medium, or large] number of individual humans sits around a table, drafts a document, and signs at the bottom... nothing happens, except ink smeared on paper.  Period.  Oh, we accept that the individuals who signed may agree to accept and do certain things if that is what the document they signed deems.

However, the few of us who understand the nature of reality, and understand the utter scam and brainwashing that controls most individual humans are not morons.  We may not all be brilliant, or even smart, but we are sane.  What is sanity?  The concise (and relevant) answer is this:

Sanity is seeing what is in front of your face, and not seeing what isn't.

The first observation of a fundamentally sane human individual is the following.  That any number of human individuals can spread ink (signatures) on paper (documents), but that is all that happens... ink is spread on paper.  It is utterly obvious to us sane folks that when any pack of individuals spreads ink on paper, that:

#1:  whatever the document states does not obligate us.
#2:  nothing real pops into existence (nation, corporation).

Consider #1.  This should be UTTERLY obvious to all humans.  We can understand and verify this in any number of ways.  One way to understand is by means of even the simplest understanding of basic concepts like "symmetry" and "contradiction".  Think about it.  If some individuals could spread ink on one piece of paper and obligate others who did not sign (or even personally know these individuals), then any number of other individuals could spread ink on pieces of paper to obligate any others who also did not sign.  And the supposed content of the documents could be (and certainly would be in practice) utterly contradictory.

I mean, think about it.  Small groups of individuals (families, friends, schemers, predators) would sit around tables, write documents that deem themselves rulers of all (or many) humans, and sign the documents.  POOF.  What happened?  Only a sane human being can see what happened, which seems to mean only about 43 individuals on planet earth at this point in history.  What happened was this:

#1:  humans spread ink on paper.
#2:  that is all.

None of these individuals, and none of these pieces of paper, and none of these smears of ink obligated any individual who did not sign these documents, or could possibly have obligated any individual who did not sign these documents.  To claim otherwise is an extreme example of fundamental insanity, not to mention blatantly obvious and inherent contradiction.

Those 43 of us who somehow managed to remain sane in the face of endless attempts to brainwash us since birth observe the breathtaking absurdity of the situation we live in today.

Perhaps the most absurd part of the current situation is that even libertarians, so-called objectivists and individualists argue for keeping the insanity they abhor, but add a plea that the predators-that-be adhere to some limits on their abuses.  They do not identify the utterly total absurdity of the situation.  They, like the so-called "founding fathers" accept the obviously insane, blatantly false notion that their favored pack of predators smearing ink on a piece of paper can somehow, magically obligate all other humans on earth, throughout centuries and millennia and perpetuity to... whatever the predators-that-be deem.  They only disagree about what obligations they deems suitable to impose on everyone, willing or unwilling.

To their credit, anarchists have their heart in the right place, and their head partly in the right place.  But virtually all of them still demonstrate they are fundamentally insane when they propose "government be disbanded".  Which brings us to the second and more fundamental point that must be understood about this topic.  Which is.

When human beings smear ink on paper, nothing "pops into existence".  When early gringos smeared ink on pieces of paper that claimed to create so-called new entities like "Vermont" or "Delaware" or "Virginia" or "These United States of America"...



Except, of course, ink got smeared on paper.  But even so, the ink already existed, and the paper already existed, and the individuals who smeared the ink already existed.

In other words, so-called organizations do not exist, whether "governments" or "corporations" or "organizations" or "societies" or "clubs" or whatever you wish to call them.

They are FICTIONS.  Which means, they do not exist.

Once upon a time, before modern education and mass media infected planet earth, quite a few people seemed to understand this.  In fact, even the predators called "lawyers" assumed this was obvious to the most humans, because they openly designed all organizations (including "government" and "corporation") as "fictitious entities".

Of course, the beginnings of the scam already existed in that term.  Something that is "fictitious" does not exist, and therefore is not a real "entity".  Yet, at least it was pretty obvious to any UNEDUCATED (meaning "unbrainwashed") farmer what was the intent.  Obviously people then were closer enough to sane to understand that one was in some way thinking of fictions like "Santa Claus" as an "entity"... albeit only a mental entity.  And a mental entity without an external referent was what every uneducated farmer understood was called a "fiction".

To bad human beings today are so vastly more clueless, insane and stupid that they don't even recognize these formerly mistaken, but perhaps [in some cases] innocent formulations.  Today, almost everyone is "educated" to habituate the iron-clad assumption that utterly, blatantly, obvious fictions like "government" and "corporation" actually exist.  Which means, modern humans are utterly, totally and completely insane in the single most fundamental of possible ways --- humans are:

#1:  unable to distinguish what exists from what does not exist.
#2:  unable to distinguish what is real from what is fiction.
#3:  unable to distinguish what is from what is not.

Otherwise, anarchists would not propose that mankind end government, they would point out that government does not exist, has never existed, and indeed inherently cannot exist.  And they would understand why this is true.  Which is... nothing pops into existence when humans spread ink on paper.

Of course, the species of weak minded fools that passes for humans today are easily fooled.  The fiction-peddling predators will point at a building like the "washington monument" or "white house" and say something like "There, open your eyes, how can you say that government does not exist".

To which a sane individual will respond, "Yes, I see a building, and that building does indeed exist.  But that is a building, not a government".  And when the predators shows him a library full of "government documents", the sane individual will respond, "Yes, I see a large number of books, on which is a large quantity of ink, most likely written by human beings.  And yes, the books exist, the ink exists, the humans who wrote them exist (or once did), but that is not government".

And no matter how many tricks the predator-that-be tried, the sane individual would "see what is in front of his face, and not see what is not in front of his face", and frustrate every attempt the predator-that-be made to fake him into slavery.

Eventually the predator would say, "It is so because I say so, and I am an authority".  Most likely he meant "authority" in the currently common sense, which means he or someone else pretended to assign some arbitrary "title of power" to him.  But the sane individual responds as always, pointing out that his "authority title" is nothing but a fiction, nothing but a sound spewing from his mouth.  Or the sane individual might decide to momentarily play the predator's own game to illustrate the point (and only to illustrate the point), and reply with something like "but I am supreme commander of 'the intergalactic empire of dweebs', which places everything and everyone in this galaxy, and every other galaxy under my authority".

Which is just as valid (as in zero), and just as fictional as the so-called "authority" the predator-that-be claims to have... since they are both pure fictional assertions, and are both pure nonsense.

Anyone who might be starting to see a ray of light through any of the endless cracks in the wall that is called "the matrix" these days is free to attempt to find some way to create a "real fictitious entity"... just to make sure I'm not exaggerating and just to make sure I'm not pulling one of the diabolical mind-manipulating word tricks that the predators have mastered through the ages.

Go right ahead.  I encourage that.  Try to find some way any individuals spreading ink on paper can possibly obligate endless others who have no part in their plans.  Give it your best shot.  But be honest... and be careful.  Be careful because your mind has been programmed by diabolical predators to accept the matrix as a real reality.... indeed the only reality.

If, but only if, you are careful and ruthlessly honest, you will never find a way to make real what the predators claim is real.  There are no governments.  There are no corporations.  There are no societies.  What does exist are individuals, and oh yes, many individuals collaborate with other individuals to confuse their prey, and feed upon them, and control them, and set them upon missions the predators choose for them... and you.

If, but only if, you are careful and honest, you will discover that there is clearly no way for any individuals to obligate others who do not voluntarily agree to specific limited terms.  You will discover that claims to create "governments" and "corporations" are nothing more than noise spewing from human mouths and/or spreading of ink on paper.  Nothing is created when humans smear ink on paper.  Nothing is created by assertion and the spewing of sound from the mouths of humans who practice predatory actions to prey upon humans who produce real, physical goods that keep them, and everyone else alive [and to some degree happy].

You can't get "there" (the matrix) from "here" (reality).  No matter how sophisticated a sophist a predator-that-be might be, claims do not create reality.  If they did, the predators would not need to enslave you.  No, the predators could simply say "pot roast, potatoes and carrots" and POOF... their words would be reality.  But that does not work.  So instead they must fool producers (like you perhaps) to become their prey, to grow their food, to prepare their food, to design and build their cars, airplanes and [nuclear] bombs.  You do that for them.

And you will continue to do that for them as long as you are fooled by their diabolical fictions.

And you will continue to be fooled by their diabolical fictions until you sit back and reflect upon your intellectual life and ask yourself fundamental questions.  Like, "How on earth did I ever get the notion that Thomas Jefferson and his merry band of bandits were MY founding fathers?".  How on earth did I let myself simply accept by osmosis the endless claim that they bear any relationship to me at all, other than being similar in a few physical respects (head, neck, arms, legs, etc)?  And how in the freaking world did I ever let myself just accept without due diligence that utter arbitrary nonsense like "governments" and "nations" and "authorities" exist... when obviously they are nothing more than utterly fictional lies?



And once identified, evil can be defeated.  But defeating what we tend to call "evil" is yet another very imprecise statement.  What a sane human means by "evil" is predatory behavior.  So "beating evil" is actually a choice.  First, recognize that earth is mostly populated by creatures that are not mentally capable of production.  In other words, most creatures can only be predators in one or more ways, because they do not have the capacity for conceptual consciousness.  They cannot identify the fundamental aspects of reality as an honest human brain can, and so to survive they simply grab and consume whatever benefits them from the environment they live in.

Thus, outside of a few extraordinary examples (like beaver dams), organisms are predators, and can only be predators.  As individual humans, we have a choice.  We can remain like the "lower [less intellectually capable] species", which means "be predators".  Or, we can do what the other species cannot do, apply our intellect towards understanding the nature and behavior of the real world and universe, and apply that understanding to produce what would otherwise not have come to exist.

In other words, at the most fundamental level, individuals humans have a choice, and they make a choice --- to be predators or producers.  And because in the modern world of billions of humans there is vastly too little naturally occurring goods and goodies (caves, berries, etc) to keep humans alive, humans are forced by the state of planet earth to either be a predator or a producer (a parasite being a certain type of predator).

The choice is yours.  If you decide to be predator, you have no "ethics", because "ethics" is simply an identification of certain aspects of reality that producers recognize as important to their way of life (literally).  If you decide to be a predator, you have no "ethics", but you do have a "modus-operandi", namely, "get away with whatever you [think you] can".  And if you decide to be a producer, you have an "ethics", which is simply an identification of the nature of reality (specifically, "causality") applied to human actions.  If you are a producer, your ethics simply identifies the relationship of cause (human action) to effect (human survival, prosperity, satisfaction and happiness).  Your "ethics" recognizes that human actions are cause, and consequences of those actions are effects.  Your ethics says...

A human should suffer/bare/enjoy 100% of the consequences (effects) of his own actions (cause), and suffer/bare/enjoy 0% of the consequences of actions of other humans.

Pure ethics, absolutely no supernatural elements required.

And so, what to make of predators and their modus-operandi, and predators and their "ethics"?

To a sane, clear-headed individual, the answer is clear.  Predators choose to be predators, and producers choose to be producers.  Both recognize the existence of the other way to survive and prosper.  And now you recognize and clearly understand that predators have a modus-operandi, and producers have an ethics.  So.  What to do?

The answer is clear.  Treat predators of all species on their own terms.  They pull no punches, they do whatever [they believe] benefits them.  Defend yourself!  A sane individual requires little thought to understand the reasons for this conclusion.  A predator cannot be dealt with rationally, because they have chosen to abandon reason, and have no ethics to restrain them.  To attempt to treat any predator as if they were a producer is to give predators an astronomical (and unearned) advantage over producers.  You let predators do anything and everything they can think up, apply lying, tricks, scams, cheating, stealing, aggression and any other behavior they can dream up to prey upon you.  Their choice is fundamental, and fundamentally non-rational --- it is a modus-operandi, not an ethics, and the specific modus-operandi is "get away with whatever they can".  Thus you are irrational (if you understand predators) to make terms with them.  They spend 100% of their time, effort, attention and resources to prey upon you if you are not a danger to them, and kill you if you might be a danger to them (or if they're "just in the mood for blood").

This is one huge mistake that the "better" (producer) kind of humans make.  They attempt to treat human predators different than other predators.  And the consequences are the state of planet earth today --- utterly dominated by predators.  The solution is clear.  Treat predators of all species the same, and recognize that human predators are the most diabolical, most dangerous, most aggressive predators of all.  Which is why producers must treat human predators like predators of all other species without a second thought and with a clear conscience.

And, of course, producers must treat producers as fellow producers.  Any sane producer understands that other producers are not a threat to them, but do in fact benefit them.  So a human producer will value other producers, befriend other producers, collaborate with other producers.  But they will also understand that human predators are the most diabolical creatures in the universe (as far as we know), and can pretend to be fellow producers until they can wiggle their way into a situation where some predatory action generates massive benefits for them (and massive losses and destruction for producers).  Which is why, producers must be on the lookout for signs and signals of predatory inclinations, even from their most trusted friends and family (especially from their most trusted friends and family).

So, there you have it.

100% of all articles about "how to reform [or end] government" are self-defeating at best, and only serve to strengthen the hand of predators-that-be and the wider predator-class.

Recognize reality as real, and fictions as unreal.

Choose your side: predator or producer.

Then act accordingly.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:00 | 4427274 Johnny Cocknballs
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I appreciate lengthy posts.  Its someone putting it out there.

But here come some slings and arrows  {hope you take them in the spirit offered  - the teleology I am on board with}....

America, pre-Columbus was certainly not as you describe it.  I don't mean to insult you, but it is clear you haven't read anything about this time period, or at least, nothing more than a glib summary by a non-historian.

Laws and states aren't "fiction" just because they aren't tangible - they're agreed-upon constructs, or rules of behavior.  The idea that rape is "wrong" isn't a fiction - it is a worldview, a mode of life, constrained by empathy, and by the livability of alternative worlds where such crimes are tolerated - they are far worse.


Let me distill a bit.  You are right to criticize Objectivists, but few take Objectivism seriously - that is, Objectivism is generaly favored by people who have not studied much, or any, other philosophical writing.  And you study philosophy not for knowledge, but to be trained how to think in ways economists, or sociologists, or chemists simply do not.  There is value in it, although it is not very marketable.  Objectivism is making the world simple thn declaring that the world, in itself, is simple.  It is arrogance, bad ontology, and a worldview of callousness repackaged as "the ethical."  Perhaps the state should not engage in charity - this does not mean that individuals should not...  of the teaching to fish kind at least.


The greatest book{s} you will ever read in English regarding the nature of existence is certainly not anything by Ayn Rand.  And I would propose in all seriousness The Lord of the Rings which, as an ontology and ethics, regards the "long defeat".  At very least, Tolkien's conception of "the long defeat" is worth a google or two...


Chaos has more power than order, hate more potency than love, and suffering more depth than ecstasy.


The only way to win is to be prepared to fight in the face of certain defeat, for freedom, for justice, and for love. 


None of this is "the truth"  - it is merely a perspective on Truth.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:28 | 4427410 janus
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i've made a habit of reading every post i find beneath the cocknballs trademark.  you continue to impress ole janus; and that is because you are dangerous -- very dangerous.  more dangerous than janus?  time will tell.

speaking of thought, truth, human consciousness and its relation to reality, i have a treat for you.  something tells me you've read kierkegaard; but if'n you haven't, i HIGHLY recommend the great dane.

stay dangerous, my friend...

anti-meridian, uncle meridian...and all the little meridians,



Wed, 02/12/2014 - 15:01 | 4428806 honestann
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I don't know much about pre-Columbus history, and I doubt anyone does.  However, I am pretty sure that no "tribe" claimed the entire americas as "theirs", with everyone on the continents obligated to obey them.  I doubt any even knew how big the continents were, or even that the world consisted of ocean and continents.  OTOH, when I visited at length with native peoples in the high Andes, they were quite consistent in claiming their ancestors came to this continent 150,000 years ago, which I simply don't understand (especially the consistency).

I didn't mean to pick on Objectivists, especially since I consider realistic, real-world philosophy to be extremely practical knowledge (while conventional philosophy is pretty much bogus nonsense, even if it is an attempt to understand fundamentals).  And I don't "study" philosophy either (or "study" any other topic either for that matter, since I only observe and "study" reality, since that's all I'm interested in).  But I do think about philosophical issues, which to me is just another way of saying I think about fundamentals of reality/nature, including consciousness.  If you can't recognize that in my writing, then you shouldn't bother reading what I write.

Don't feel bad that you can't distinguish what is real from what is not.  You would have to be quite exceptional to be "one of the 43" who do understand.  Yes, yes... I'm just guessing how many humans really understand this issue, and protected (or re-worked) their consciousness to avoid the pervasive programming.

But I will agree with one formulation.  Billions of humans believe "nations" and "laws" exist.  Perhaps more than a billion humans also believe "Santa Claus" and/or "Tooth Fairy" exist.  But the number of believers doesn't make something exist, and I can guarantee you that "nations" and "laws" do not exist (except as mental constructs, which is what a fiction is).  Nonetheless, just like SantaClaus, the ToothFairy and your favorite deity, they are fictions --- mental units without real referents.  Note that islands and oceans and continents are real, physical things, and thus do exist.

That humans behave AS IF something exists, does not mean their illusion becomes real.  And that is what you imagine happens... that a "nation" or a "law" pops into existence because a bunch of morons believes it.  Total BS, otherwise SantaClaus, ToothFairy and at least 3783 of the "one and only ultimate deity who created the entire universe" exist.  To which I say, "yeah, right, batman" and "get real".

BTW, I think there are lots of great thinking and great lessons in stories, most certainly including fictional stories.  In fact, though it must seem I rant against fiction endlessly, in fact I am not, and personally I love fiction.  As an inventor, every new product or invention or technology I dream up is fiction... until I implement it.  What is a huge problem, however, is an inability to distinguish what is real from what is not.  THAT is a huge problem.

One more to add to your list.  Destruction has vastly more power and potency than knowledge or production.  To build a home requires a large quantity of time, effort, materials, skills and resources.  To destroy a home requires a few minutes, a free book of matches, a few minutes to get it started, and very little knowledge or skill.  The predators know this, which is why they can control so much by mere threats of destruction --- most humans implicitly recognize destruction is vastly more potent.

However, just because chaos, hate, suffering and destruction are potent, doesn't make them desirable or worth advocating or practicing... unless, of course, you are a predator, in which case you love them all to death.  Like I said, make your choice and act accordingly.  Just know that if you make the predator choice, 43 of us understand you clearly, and you've painted a bullseye on your own back by identifying yourself.

Though I have no qualms against destroying predators and destroyers, fighting isn't all it is cracked up to be, and not usually the best answer (largely because destruction is so potent, including theirs).  Better to evade.  Better to build up your defenses and resources and abilities unscathed.  Sure, if you can take out a few predators now and then without risk, and you want to, go for it.  But until you have a large solution, for the entire pack of predators that now number in the billions, fighting is a waste of time unless not avoidable.

But in the end, everything I say is hopeless as long as you believe people spreading ink on pieces of paper actually creates "nations" and "laws" and "governments" and such.  As long as you believe such blatant nonsense, you have no chance, which you seem to recognize.

I say, "screw certain defeat".  We're going for a win, though only for us.  But we clearly recognize that to attempt a win on this planet is a dangerous waste of time given the terminal brain-damage 99.9999999% of humans suffer today.  Hence our plans to get our butts outta this gravity well.  Space may be dangerous, but space not malicious like a planet dominated by predators, plus the huge population of their chimp-prey who believe the same nonsense you do.

PS:  If what you say is your honest opinion, you do not offend me.  If what you say is a crafty pack of lies, you don't matter enough to offend me, as revolting as your lies may be.  A real, actual, thoughtful, honest statement may be mistaken, even grossly mistaken, but who can ask for more than honesty?  Not me.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4429296 yt75
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Nations and laws exist everywhere, through TEXTS, so you write but you think your texts do not exist ?

And for laws, it is texts with many other texts (like trial proceedings) refering to it.

How about words, they don't "exist" either ?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 09:04 | 4431748 honestann
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Of course text (ink on paper) exists.  I said that many times in my post.  Did you read it?  My whole point was that TEXT DOES EXIST, but writing text does not cause something else (like "Alice" or "Wonderland" or "Pandora") to pop into existence.

This was my main point, repeated many times, yet obviously you can't comprehend this!  Of course the text exists (ink on paper).  But when a dozen dimwits writes on paper that "we hereby create a nation", that is just ink on paper (that does exist).  No "nation" pops into existence.  If smearing ink on paper created reality, then every fictional work ever written would have created what is in those stories.  If writing text on paper created reality (beyond the process of smearing ink on paper), then where you live would be part of 100,000 "nations" created by 100,000 tiny groups of morons writing nonsense on paper.

Do you believe that is what happens?

If so, you are insane.  You and roughly 99.99999% of the population of earth.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:50 | 4427308 yt75
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Much more than "EVIL" our time is the consequence of the access to cheap energy since the industrial revolution, and the associated poupulation explosion.

This (access to cheap energy) is currently at its maximum.

Not going to be pretty, but chosing one scape goat or another doesn't change the situation.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:26 | 4427341 22winmag
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I feel vindicated calling O'bomber's EO's unenforceable toilet paper.


All the ink in the world smeared on the paper of a billion trees doesn't mean what is written can or will come to pass. When the rubber meets the road and guillotine blades start falling and rifle bullets start flying, all that fancy ink and paper ain't gonna mean squat. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:38 | 4427432 no2foreclosures
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honestann: A lot of words, but you are quite correct.  Evil cannot be fixed.  These arm-chair philosophers and commentators don't know what the hell they are writing or commenting about.

Empires do not go gently away into the night.  The Soviet Empire being the one exception.

To understand how truly EVIL the United States Empire is, go read Thomas Goodrich's seminal book on what happened to the tens of millions of Germans after World War II: Hellstorm-The Death Of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 10:03 | 4431887 honestann
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I don't have time to read the book, but comments by reviewers certainly deliver the gist, and make it seem very interesting.  I have no doubt that [virtually] every "official story" of every pack of predators-DBA-government in history is 90% to 99% lies.  Unfortunately, I don't believe authors any more than anyone else.

What I do find very interesting is the number of certified and undenied quotes by so-called "leaders", sometimes even published in newspapers of the times in question.  If one simply goes back to any era (in which newspapers existed), an individual will find endless mind-blowing statements by leaders.

As someone who lived in Hawaii for a long time, the following example gives the flavor of what I'm talking about.  That is the "surprise attack" on Pearl Harbor.  The only problem is, if you bother to go back and look at Hawaii newspapers of the era, the week before the "surprise attack" is a front-page story with the headline "Japan Expected to Attack on Monday".

Just hilarious!  And no, I'm not kidding.

Frankly, every single young school-kid who learns about such in-your-face facts (the "official story" versus "undeniable evidence") has only one choice:  either willingly turn his brain over to the predators-that-be for lifetime abuse and control... or trust no one but their own eyes, and what they can reasonably infer from their own observations.

Though we are all in the unfortunate position of not being able to learn even most of the truths about history, we sure as hell can reject out of hand every "official story".

I'm sure that's an excellent book.  OTOH, I have no time to attempt to untangle the details of the mess called human history, other than to recognize the fundamental and ultimately crucial distinction (predator versus producer).

I think the bottom line for me is this.  Humans are such morons and losers, I can't waste my time being interested in their quirks.  I have a universe to explore and engineer, and no time for petty games.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:16 | 4427335 messystateofaffairs
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Instructions for taking back America. 1. A group of quiet and wealthy American Non Jewish patriots gather quietly. 2. They start identifying small loyal teams in the IRS, CIA, Judiciary, congress, the press, education, secret service, and any other areas they deem of strategic and tactical importance. 3. Pick their front man for President, feed him to the sheeple as a cool Macho James Bond type while shielding him from the wrath of the heebs. 4. Start locking out Zionist alien implants trying to occupy and poison key roles. Go on the offensive for those already there. Use the IRS and CIA death squads surgically. I.e. learn from the Zionists how to handle the Zionists. 5. As the infection begins to clear clear the way for true constitutional patriots to slowly return America to her First Principles in her various socio-economic-religeous-moral areas. It does not need a widespread awakening to begin the cleansing, just a few good men, intellectual Marine warriors if you will. Besides its been done before elsewhere. If you recognize yourself as naturally positioned to play a role you should be getting busy by now. Theres a secret war going on out there, its time to take warlike action.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:34 | 4427349 MickV
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Dismantle? It is already "dismantled" without a wimper. A foreign domestic enemy of the Republic has been installed and protected in the Oval Office. Barack Hussein Obama, born British, of a British subject father(and probably STILL British to this day), is certainly not an eligible natural born Citizen, i.e one born in the US of US Citizen parents--- where no foreign allegiance exists). He has been groomed and installed by foreign interests of the NWO specifically to Void the US Constitution and US Citizen sovereignty. When there is no legal executor of the laws then there is no law, and the "law" is only what evil men say it is. Thus the illegal executive rules by executive order. Look right in front of your face--- There is no "United States" and no "Constitution"--- it was Usurped by the installation of a foreign domestic eneny of the US as chief executive--- and it was planned that way. Now domestic enemy Obama oversees the Cloward Piven destruction from within, at the behest of the NWO Central bankers. The media and courts protect him, and Congress cowers in the corner, having committed treason to the nth degree. It is over until the guillotines roll.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:49 | 4427361 MickV
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Cruz and Rubio, born of foreign parents, are also not eligible natural born Citizens?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:52 | 4427366 Global Observer
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USA going to dismantle its empire by its own choice and we are being offered methods by which it may do it? Very funny!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:02 | 4427374 Shigure
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A film about self-empowerment and self-rule, taking responsibility for change:

Unveiled and Lifted - YouTube

(1.49.20) (contains flashing images btw)

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:34 | 4427425 no more banksters
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Reporters Without Borders: Notable conclusions for the press freedom in some Western democracies for 2014

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 09:44 | 4427539 falak pema
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Empires implode...the final lesson of history.  Thats what awaits this one.

The first imperial family of the West was the house of Atreus. Just read their timeline.

The first western entrepreneur was Ulysses. Follow his footsteps. 

The first western adventurer that went wrong was Jason, unlike Theseus, who chose a better woman; Ariane instead of Medea.

The first godlike human was Hercules and he ended badly after having done good to atone his original sin. 

From time to time we need Hercules to clean out the shit and then we conveniently send him to rot in hell. 

Human nature is a bitch and that's why the useful idiots like Sisyphus keep climbing that hill, having slid down it in nightly bliss. 

Its all greek and its time to return those marbles and those monies to them, you scoundrel scammers of Pax Americana and surrogate Shitty, titty, City capitalism-- and the EU Mutti brigade--; all gone sour in unfettered HUBRIS. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:00 | 4427614 TrustbutVerify
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I isn't an Empire. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:05 | 4427636 esum
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aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling...... like we live in a world full of choirboys.....

hey jerkoff.... tell that to n. korea, iran, russia, china and al queda/affiliates (no they are really not on the run...)

right now we have no foreign policy... other than obama banding over or licking the balls of anyone he meets... the ussa is an international aimless unrealistic clown show... backed up with yesmen like clapper, alexander, brennan and kerry... and the rest of the tyros pretending to know what they are doing... we lub you wil you lub us back.... please ... oh please... outreach and diversity are goals of the cia and fbi... unfuckingbelieveable  

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:06 | 4427639 post turtle saver
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I've come to learn that, if everything in the synopsis is basically bold type, then none of it is particularly noteworthy. When it's bold and underlined all over the place then I just shut it down.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:07 | 4427644 esum
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and tell me do ..... just who do we conced the #1 leadership spot to..... of course , islamicjihadis... right... 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:20 | 4427685 philip88
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yeahh..dismantle it..


and learn the chinese culture and language !!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:35 | 4427739 Loophole
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Technology has made the world too small to continue with Jefferson's non-intervention policy, especially when there are other nations that have no such policies. If Iran gets nukes, for example, it's just a matter of time until we see one going off in an American city, IMO. One cannot ignore the threat of a bunch of WMD-armed death-worshiping religious mystics who hate the modern world and who want to die and take us with them.

Those who think otherwise are guilty of massive evasion or worse.

Mostly worse.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:50 | 4428247 Emergency Ward
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The Bush/Clinton/Obama crusading, quasi-religious, Neo-Progressive/Neo-Conservative perpetual-war doctrine.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:02 | 4427843 kenezen
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Jefferson made remarks as well as to what a Government should not be!

“The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”  “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”   “A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”   “If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.”   “Experience has shown that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”     “The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.” (Author’s Note: The Federal Reserve falls into this category).    “I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”  “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarms only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

President Jefferson’s words written in the late 1700’s, over 200 years ago are prophetic and apply especially today! They define realities of today. President Jefferson counted them as signs of future dangers of lost democracy to all citizens. WE should heed jefferson!!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:33 | 4428169 Woodhippie
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Great post.  Thanks for taking the time.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 12:29 | 4428149 monad
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With the USA out of the way the scientific dictatorship will proceed to slaughter minimum 4 billion. And they won't kill the dummies either; they will execute the people who brought them to power first, then the competition.

So began the 3rd reich... same as it ever was

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 13:04 | 4428318 F0ster
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If a murderer s forced to stop murdering  for what ever reason and comes clean saying "I'm sorry, I've changed my ways" he doesn't get off scott free. He gets hunted down, prosectured and executed. The problem is that these tyrants (libtards, GOP and military leaders etc) that run the USA have done so in the name of the USA. When they finally leave office they leave the USA guilty of a vast amount of genociadal and financial crimes that need to be punnished. So even if we can change the system the people who replace them will need to deal generations of a violent retaliatory aftermath. Unless of course, they are systematically hunted down, brought to justice, imprisoned and/or executed, as we did with Nazi Germany and the Third Reich.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:29 | 4430413 earleflorida
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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:30 | 4430420 earleflorida
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getting really sad when ZH is monitored by NSA!!!


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