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Jim Grant: "Gold Is Nature's Bitcoin"

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Having previously explained how "the Fed has its thumb and fingers on the scales of finance," and why it will end badly; Jim Grant takes today's testimony from Janet Yellen to task in this brief (but fun-filled) clip.

While the new Fed chair spoke at length, Grant notes she did not explain how "the Fed continues in this unprecedented exercise in price control," and in less than 30-seconds, the always eloquent founder of the Interest Rate Observer 'translates' her Fed speak into reality -

"What we mean to do is continue to nationalize the yield curve... and we would like to enlist the stock market in a program of wealth creation for the security holders of America."

The Fed has manipulated interest rates for 100 years but Grant adds, "never - until now - has it manipulated the stock market as if it were a lever of public policy."

His discussion ranges from the bubble in Biotech to holding Gold (which he describes as "nature's bitcoin") because it is "the reciprocal of faith in Central Banks."

 

Spend 135 seconds of your life to listen to this... way more informative than watching Bode Miller flop again (or Shaun White)...

 

And it seems CNBC saw fit to remove the reference to Bitcoin, gold, and faith in central banks - ironic really...

 


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Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:15 | Link to Comment wallstreetapost...
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Jim Grant: "Gold Is Nature's Bitcoin"... thats not what foneystar says
Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:16 | Link to Comment BlackChicken
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True, but Grant nailed it though.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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GOld is money and paper is nothing more than the ink that lines it.  A promise to pay means nothing when the creditor is broke, and all nations are broke.

Even China is broke considering that what backs them is UST debt.  And though they have bought gold hand over fist - and mined the shit out of their topography looking for it - it won't make a difference.  Unless gold revalues to over $50,000 an ounce.

Then they will have gold and be paid back their debt with the paper gold that sits on the Fed's balance sheet.  By then paper gold will be a way to keep the system going, but imagine when not even paper gold is traded, for lack of propietry.

Gold in the hand is all that matters when it comes to maintaining a store of wealth decade over decade.  

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:26 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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And Jim Grant is ZH's gold.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:42 | Link to Comment max2205
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MyStawks would at least give joe and Jane a chance to bank some coin if old Yellen keeps this from left to top right

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:07 | Link to Comment philipat
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"And it seems CNBC saw fit to remove the reference to Bitcoin, gold, and faith in central banks"

What a surprise!!

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:29 | Link to Comment fonestar
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Bitcoin is fonestar's true love.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:40 | Link to Comment BlackChicken
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Bitcoin love you long time...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:31 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Would you take a ckeck for that?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:40 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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You have turned thousands of people off of Bitcoin because of your immature, deliberately annoying persona. 

Perhaps that is by design. 

What is sad is that regardless of your true intentions, you seem to have so little in the way of a real life. I really hope things turn around for you. I honestly do. Life is too short to spend it playing games on the internet. Step outside, roll up your sleeves and do something useful and productive. It will do you good. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment whatthecurtains
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Be nice to Fonestar  He is worth his weight in Bitcoins.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:54 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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naw, hes an attention whore who only comments at the begining of threads. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:33 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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He is worth his weight in Bitcoins.

 

What is the atomic weight of bitcoins again?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:04 | Link to Comment TheCanadianAustrian
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I'm a Bitcoin proponent, and I agree that fonestar's behavior has likely turned a lot of intelligent ZeroHedgers away from Bitcoin.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:31 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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Bitcoin is fonestar's true love and death by a thousand cuts

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:06 | Link to Comment funthea
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I'm worried about you fonestar. I'm really worried.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:46 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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Jim Grant and Rick Santelli for......something !

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:49 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Don't kid yourselves - 'they' love gold too. 

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I believe their is something more special about it outside of what we know. They've been getting us commoners to mine it for them since...

 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:35 | Link to Comment XitSam
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When gold reaches $50,000/oz, the dollar will be irrelevant.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:40 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Gold is the banker's spanker when he grows to be a wanker

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 09:27 | Link to Comment ATM
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You got it backwards. When 50k dollars only buys 1oz of gold, it will be irrelevant. Maybe not backwards but....

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Thomas
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Jim is the best.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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The man who would be Fed Chair.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:56 | Link to Comment wintermute
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YES!

It should have happened this month. But no chance for sanity in the fiat Hall of Mirrors.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:45 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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He may have nailed it but until the fed stops printing, It's all Bullshit!!!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:29 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Google translator, translates this as: "Biktoin - nature is gold"!

Jim Grant did not say: "Biktoin - nature is gold"!

He said: "Gold is nature's bitcoin".

Google translator - like a charlatan, who tries to make invisible the substitution of notions like Schuller trying to replace deuce to the joker.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:15 | Link to Comment stant
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saw that at lunch, good interview

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:20 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Perhaps, one thing is for sure however, the laws of Nature and physics are what they are and always seem to do what they do regardless of the current dominant species...

 

I thnk about PMs differently I guess.  In order to actually do or create anything real, you need energy.

because refined gold is rather inert and will hang out indefinitely and it takes energy to refine and produce refined gold, gold is also a store of energy/work, it's inert nature makes it a safe store of value.  No surprise people have been willing to exchange their labor for gold for so long. Some people say that gold can be stolen.  I know four generations in my family who have never had their monetary gold stolen.

I guess common sense just isn't taught anymore.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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Humanity will be tricked by banksters over and over again.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:00 | Link to Comment ForTheWorld
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However, if the energy invested into producing an ounce of refined Gold is more than the Gold is valued in a particular currency, doesn't it become a poor investment of said energy at some point?

Yes, I've held Gold, because people have faith in it as a store of wealth, and accept it in transactions.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Once the price of gold goes high enough (and it will), governments will sieze the miners thereof and keep it in the ground as their private "vault."

Gold will all the more belong to them not us, in other words, which is why cryptocurrencies are our only hope (with whatever PMs you might have serving as a backup).

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Prisoners_dilemna
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Gold is not natures bitcoin. I love them both but they are similar and complementary but inherently different.

They have overlapping monetary functions but they are also unique in their own monetary way.

With an incredible amount of respect I gotta say...

"Gold is natures bitcoin" is the worst comment I hope to ever hear the illuminous Mr. Grant utter.

 

 

Gold is natures gold.

Bitcoin is natures bitcoin.

They both exist within the laws of our universe. Both are of nature. But different in nature.

 

And because they are different in the roles they play and their inherent properties, you are correct in saying that gold has failed to End the Fed or measure inflation, Bitcoin will succeed.

"Internet Reformation" Bitchez

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:27 | Link to Comment centipede
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Cryptocurrencies do not make any sense unless government makes them a legal tender and force you to pay taxes and debt in them. I can create my own cryptocurrency using available technology as everybody else can. And I can create as many as I wish. Some that will have one virtual coin only and nobody will be able to counterfeit any of them. What will be the dollar value of such a coin? Billions of dollars? And if everybody else creates their own coins and many types of them what will be their values. Billions of dollars as well?

Gold can be stolen or confiscated but it will always have a value related at least to the energy needed to produce it and it will be independent of governments.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:57 | Link to Comment Advoc8tr
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Well that is just a ridiculous analogy. Gold is not inter-changeable with silver, brass, iron and Bitcoin is not inter-changeable with your non-distributed basement coin.  Bitcoin is the one with critical mass and widest distribution and trust base.  The other cryptos have other uses as do the other metals but Gold and Bitcoin are the monetary versions.

 

I am Gold first myself ... but the value stored in Gold can evaporate too if trust is destroyed. Discovery of a method to manufacture it industrially from other materials could undermine trust as easily as cracking the SHA256 would Bitcoin ?  The cost of input energy would be irrelevant.  Unlikely but not categorically impossible.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:52 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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dick, I guess you havent heard of the mining mortaratum in california and oregon. no dredging. " beacuse of the fish" already begining.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:52 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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dick, I guess you havent heard of the mining mortaratum in california and oregon. no dredging. " beacuse of the fish" already begining.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:29 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Dry cells and Excel spreadsheets for the FED!!!!

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:56 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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Very valid point about energy being the prime mover for production and creativity. 

As far as PM's being stolen, after the Civil War most Southern homes of value were looted and burned. Wealth consisted of land, buildings, crops, investments and silver - in the form of household furnishings. 

The buildings were burned to the ground. Investments in Confederate bonds evaporated. Crops were destroyed and the means of production (slaves, machinery, etc) removed. 

That left silver. Candlesticks, forks and magnificent tea sets made in England. I have seen some truly stunning examples. 

This last line of wealth had to be hidden from the Union Army as they burned homes to the ground, threatened women with having their husbands shot, and bribing slaves to give up the hiding places. 

They never found most of them. 

A sack tied in the top of a tree is a damn hard thing to find. Lots of trees in my neck of the woods.

Preppers that are obsessed with burying shit in PVC pipes in the ground simply haven't read history.

We've been through this before.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:07 | Link to Comment Doña K
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Are these trees evergreens? 'Cause in the winter you will be able to see the sacks

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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Disregarding the bow tie, by God, the man might be on to something !

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:36 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The madman has been rendered speechless.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:12 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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...the 'other Jim' sports a bow, too....maybe its some sort of secret society thing?Never saw Greespam or his acolyte in one....

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:19 | Link to Comment blindman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4qUXcXuMSE
Jim Croce - Greatest Hits - You Don't Mess Around With Jim
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slim jim !

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:25 | Link to Comment Moe Hamhead
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Did anybody recognize the idiot who was lost on the set ?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:42 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Looked like Barney Frank to me.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Pronouced Bwarny Fwank, which is a mouthful that this cocksucking sociopath knows all too well about.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Remington IV
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He was looking for his post 5 bj

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Remington IV
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He was looking for his post 5 bj

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:26 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Back when I was brand new on ZH somebody posted up the following (paraphrasing as best I can remember):

"Guys, they control the money supply.  They can keep this game going for a LONG damned time."

For some reason, that comment has stuck with me to this day.  Every time I hear about these type of cautions I remember that phrase and, if I had the chance, I would ask Jim Grant the following question:  "Ok, so the Fed has it's finger on the monetary scales.  I agree.  What would ever make them voluntarily take their finger off again?"

 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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Nooses and guillotines.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:12 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Stop it.  I'm getting all misty.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:40 | Link to Comment The 22nd Prime
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Let's get modern. Air compressors and nail guns.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 06:38 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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A nail gun behind every blade of grass.....no wonder the Post Office is ordering mass quantities of ammo.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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They can keep it going a long time, but not forever.  All central banks have inflated the currency supply and now all that needs to hppen is an invrease in volacity.  It could come any day and in any form - China declares their actual tonnege to the IMF, or China doesn't show up for US Treasury auctions causing the Fed to prime the pumps harder.  In either case price would increase for variable goods.  This would increase volacity.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:46 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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True, when it comes, it WILL come from a direction few are looking.

But remember that all the big players involved know the stakes.  Potential monetary "troublemakers" are beeing weeded out with haste and extreme prejudice (for example, potentially disruptive politicians across southern Europe).  They're all being quickly replaced with those who will repeat the lie and keep the ponzi going.  The ponzi-aware "adults in the room" know they're fucked if it all comes crumbling down so they're circling the wagons and protecting their own.  They continue to win, everyone else is slowly pushed underwater and drowned to accomplish that goal.  It sound incredibly unstable, but it's more stable than the numbers indicate because of the small number of people running things, with the same understand and the same goal in all their heads.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:36 | Link to Comment blindman
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perhaps ....?
http://www.silverdoctors.com/gold-and-silver-china-russia-call-the-money...
GOLD AND SILVER – CHINA & RUSSIA CALL THE MONEYCHANGERS’ BLUFF!
FEBRUARY 11, 2014 BY THE DOC

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:51 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Thanks, Blindman.  I liked that article a lot.  I posted up a similar thought months ago on ZH where I argued that those who clearly have extensive control across Western (developed) countries get a much chillier reception in places like China, the Middle East, etc. because it's just not a compatible culture to where they gained their power.  The same playbook doesn't work.  I was bombed out of the thread with red arrows.  

Fortunately, I don't count down-arrows.  A little trick I learned from the BLS.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:28 | Link to Comment blindman
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the down arrow crowd is replete with assholes. imho
you can't trust them or value their sentiments, they
do not know the first thing concerning communication.
consider them all agents of ignorance, they know not what
they do...., have pity but put them in their stew for their
own sake and good!
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PETER SCHIFF TELLS CNBC: GET READY FOR A GOLD MOONSHOT!
FEBRUARY 11, 2014 BY THE DOC
http://www.silverdoctors.com/peter-schiff-tells-cnbc-get-ready-for-a-gol...
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taper is a head fake to jawbone away the revelation of
the cause of the failed design, structure and fuck-tion.
(the fake fraud, usury, money system)
phony use of mathematics, non-musical, perverted even.
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one cannot jawbone the leaning tower of
pizza back into a plumb spacial orientation.
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trusting in a designed and confirmed fraud and lie has a temporal
limitation, inherently unstable and unsustainable.
drama where none is needed, ongoing.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:24 | Link to Comment Diplodicus Rex
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On the subject of Schiff and others, I find it very curious that they talk about the "price" of gold and how its going to rise. I, like many others on this board, hold gold (albeit lost in a boating accident) as a disaster play in the belief that the value of the currency is headed towards zero. Why then, would anyone else (Schiff particularly) talk about the "price" of gold rising when the measuring stick of "price" i.e. currency is depreciating like snow on a dyke? For example, if you had been living in Zimbabwe when the currency devaluation was running at c2,000,000% you wouldn't dream about measuring the price increase of your gold coin in Zim Dollars. What would be the point?

 

When I think of gold in the context of currency I think of it as "how many fiat pounds (dollars, yen etc) does it take to buy an ounce?" If the number of fiat units increases then the value of those fiat units is dropping. I never think of the "price" of gold measured in depreciating fiat. To think of the appreciation in price suggests that there is an intention to convert your gold "investment" back into fiat units at some later date because its the fiat units you really desire. Gold is not an "investment". There is no desire to convert it (wholesale) back to fiat at a later date into an ever depreciating fiat currency. (the caveat to this is that whilst the fiat currency is still in existence then at some point, if you run into aliquidity problem, you may need to convert a small amount back into fiat to spend at the supermarket. )

 

I am surprised at Schiff. He could easily turn the narrative upside down and talk about the depreciation of the purchasing power of the dollar rather than the increase in the price of gold measured in depreciating dollars. Or would that be too subtle for the masses to understand?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:29 | Link to Comment TheHound73
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When you run into supply problems or an asset comes back in vogue (leap in demand) you can have a "moonshot" while prices for other goods and services remain somewhat constant in terms of fiat.

How do you account for the 30% increase in value of fiat compared to gold over the last 2 years yet the prices for goods in the store keep increasing?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:40 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Just like what happened to the Soviet Union, they can control the money, but they cannot control the supply chain.  When, and only when, essential commodities cannot be delivered (at any "price"), then people will start reclaiming their freedom and responsibilities.

At that time, compensation will return to people who's labor/knowledge is actually worth a shit.  Paper-pushing fucks will find themselves out of luck.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:52 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Agreed, but we're more than just a few years away from that being a problem.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:59 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Don't know about that, exponential equations are a bitch and the energy and resources required to simply maintain the status quo are truly mind boggling.

Let's see how the Southwest does this summer with all their major reservoirs (lake Mead and Glen Canyon) below half-pool and California entering a drought.

 

tick tock motherfuckers...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:08 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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I have been with you on the cost-per-BTU of energy since way back.  No argument there.  But that's something that affects ALL economies on the planet.  Those rich economies will continue to pay the price and deprive poorer economies of easy access to energy.  Water is a different story, but localized.  Las Vegas can (and probably will) revert to a lifeless desert at some point, but the economic effects of abandoning such a small fully-man-made outpost are small compared to the whole US.  California is the big boy in that respect and.... they WILL get rain.  When it comes, they'll have so much of it they won't know what to do with it.  (Trust me, I live near Philly and I know first-hand the effects of a 10 year drought and how quickly fortunes change when it comes to precipitation.)

I'm focussing on what holds the US in a position of power relative to other economies.  That's where you get into currency issues and how the assets valued in that currency are well guarded and shepherded against any predictable "extinction event."

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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Central banks are just a tool of the big banks.  The big banks don't care about countries.  They are out to make the biggest profits they can, morals, rules, and consequences be damned.  They don't have any reason to hold up the US past the point of diminishing returns.  A big nature even like a devasting drought might be cause enough.  The possible effects from Fukushima another.  Got spring floods in the midwest?  How about EEE mosquitos, forest fires, tornados, hurricanes, oh, and massive winter storms in Georgia.  The prospects are looking as good as ever.  The big banks will just roll with the punches and move offshore, merge, be bought up... 

Return on investment.  They chase profits.  Stop giving it to them and they will move on to some other suckers.  That would be irresponsible of us in regards to our fellow humans who would become victims.  The smart thing would be to lock down all international transit points.  That is, if you wanted to prevent them from leaving (for the ones who are foolishly still here).  The smart ones (the real brains) are already gone. 

It may play out for a while (until one faction or another makes a power grab) but unless something happens to stop them the glide path will be turbulent.  No predictions on the actual landing.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment dtwn
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This, x100.

 

Mises articulated in 1920 in "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth" why communism/socialism/central planning couldn't and wouldn't work.  However, it obviously took 70 years before the Soviet Union collapsed. 

The same principles apply to present day.  This system can't and won't work and won't last forever.  As for when this whole thing collapses, who knows.  Sure, the central planners can keep this thing going for awhile, but I believe we are in the terminal phase of this global Keynesian monetary experiment and I give it between 5 and 10 years at most.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:26 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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I'll take the 'over' on that bet.  I think we got Japan-like legs on this thing.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Angus McHugepenis
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LoP: It's been a long curve for me but I'm almost there. Still have to transact with sheep & beasts once in a while.

Thanks for your realistic posts.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 07:10 | Link to Comment grekko
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The "paper pushing fucks" will be the next generation of carpetbaggers.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:40 | Link to Comment The_Dude
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What would ever make them voluntarily take their finger off again?

When they decide it is time to fleece the herd...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:01 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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I think about that quite a bit, too.  Near as I can tell, the only thing that survives that type of financial destruction is gold (it's value in dollars being irrelevant at that point- it only matters what it's value is in the currency that arises to take it's place as the new world reserve currency after such a conflagration).  The west has precious little gold.  They have only paper promises and shadow threats (backed, admittedly, by the possibility of real military threats to enforce the financial ones).  They would be slitting their own throats with every sheep they slaughter.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:46 | Link to Comment The_Dude
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I don't think that they intend to crater the whole system.  It is a controlled demolition.  They rachet back liquidity enough to cause the whole system to cavitate, assets are thrown off by people in desperation at firesale prices, and then liquidity is turned back on for them to swoop in and buy low again.

The only thing that thows this cycle into disarray for them is war, but even that is the gamble they take.  If it works in their favor they make untold of wealth and live to create the new paradigm.  If it works against them, they run off with bruised knees but likely to try again.  Worse case....they hang from a lamppost....but with history as it's guide, that is a pretty rare event for these types. 

And even they know they should just go for it...In the long run we are all dead”...and does it really matter if you take a few million goy with you?

 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:37 | Link to Comment FMR Bankster
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They never will. The way to think of the country now is as an emerging third world country. In most parts of the world the public completely distrusts their goverment, considers all politicians to be crooks, and maintains assets (if they are lucky enough to have them) in whatever form they can hide. If they have large amounts of property they find it necessary to pay the proper bribes or put their own people into goverment to protect their interests. Smaller investors use gold and silver, sometimes foreign currency, and that old reliable diamonds, gold necklaces, ect. (Very popular in India and recently China) What they don't do is believe that if we could only elect more (you fill in the blank)everything would be fine.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:29 | Link to Comment Squid-puppets a...
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"What would ever make them voluntarily take their finger off again?""

first they put their finger on the side of the scale that has paper currency. Then when it suits them or its too unstable to maintain, they take their finger off and put it on the other side of the scale - that has gold

its only 80 years or so since this switch was last flipped - when the fed took the gold off american citizens then reset the price higher overnight. The rise of gold is not 'despite' the oligarchy - its their time honoured playbook

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 08:24 | Link to Comment Doña K
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<<<< "What would ever make them voluntarily take their finger off again?" >>>>

Gravity.

That elusive force in the quad of (the strong, the weak, the electromagnetic and the gravity) which to date it can not be explained by the physists as it can not be stopped by any means.

 

 /metaphor

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Drachma
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"What would ever make them voluntarily take their finger off again?"

Nailguns perhaps?

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:33 | Link to Comment coastalwn
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if the PTB didnt want him on tv to say what he said... there would be a dead body somewhere right now...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:50 | Link to Comment SilverIsMoney
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they aren't that powerful dude... the power they hold is the power you're giving them.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:01 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Exactly, take the power back motherfucker, TPTB will kill you otherwise...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkMsXcHQYg&feature=kp

 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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Why I posted the below..I don't know...just 'cause I can, and also maybe the younger folk might like:

I looked out this morning and the sun was gone
Turned on some music to start my day
I lost myself in a familiar song
I closed my eyes and I slipped away

It's more than a feeling
(More than a feeling)
When I hear that old song they used to play
(More than a feeling)
I begin dreaming
(More than a feeling)
'Til I see Marianne walk away
I see my Marianne walkin' away

So many people have come and gone
Their faces fade as the years go by
Yet I still recall as I wander on
As clear as the sun in the summer sky

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:49 | Link to Comment DOGGONE
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The simple truth is
"The Public Be Suckered (that's you)", at
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 21:55 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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The last sentence of the article is the only important stuff.  The rest was recycled stuff.  Good stuff but recycled none the less.

 

There is a full article in that last sentence...

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 22:18 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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Jim is always the gentleman: " "the reciprocal of faith in Central Banks."

 

I have wondered about bitcoin from the beginning....do you really wish to trust some nerd with algo with your life savings? To me bitcoin has that Titanic aroma to it....unsinkable or unhackable....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:57 | Link to Comment Amagnonx
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Crypto-currency (and BitCoin specifically) is a viscous, violent and direct attack on central banksters, government and the Fed - those of us who are investing and promoting it are not niave as many seem to think - it is the front lines of a war, and getting killed is a possibility - figuratively, and possibly literally.

 

I dont think anyone who invested in BTC for that reason (because it was an attack on the system) thinks this is going to be a stroll in the park - BitCoin is incredibly robust, and it needs to be - every weakness will be mercilessly attacked - as demonstarted by the latest transaction mutation attacks directed against exchanges.

This is no surprise at all to me, and Im sure many other BTC advocates know the war is just going to heat up from here - but BTC is both a razor sharp sword, and a sturdy shield, it also camoflage - we are not going to battle naked with our bare hands - and until now thats all thats been available.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:01 | Link to Comment coastalwn
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yea... thats why the guy who strolled up to the mike at the NFL mvp award running for his life now for saying something bout sum 911 conspiracy..... 

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 23:58 | Link to Comment Spankrupt
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The creators of this mischief continue to be the authors.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 00:24 | Link to Comment yogibear
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"And it seems CNBC saw fit to remove the reference to Bitcoin, gold, and faith in central banks - ironic really..."

CNBC is a mouthpiece for the  bankster cabal,  No wonder their losing viewers.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 01:40 | Link to Comment boeing747
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"What would ever make them voluntarily take their finger off again?"

That's when hyperinflation sets in, people move money around for protection against run-away inflation, wall street wolves make best killings at this stage, Fed will pull the plug when most people all-in.


 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 03:47 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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Bitcoin will get up to 900 within 7-10 days.  Then a crash.

 

 

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 05:09 | Link to Comment tradewithdave
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vector gold... "economic justice"

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:11 | Link to Comment esum
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hey momma... da net be down... cant access my shitcoin.... getting a msg from the nsa... saying come to hq if you want to redeem yo shitcoin... mt cocks is closed for maintenance... 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 10:12 | Link to Comment esum
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hey momma... our shitcoin is worth exactly $1000, oh wait $750, now $2000, now $50... back to $5000, now 50cent.... aw shit 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:11 | Link to Comment sandblaster
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I want more AU

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 11:43 | Link to Comment svayambhu108
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Gold is better than bitcoin, you can melt it, mix it and loose its track and still keep its value. Can you do that with bitcoins?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Remnant_Army
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We all know who put gold on this earth. And here's some good news:

 

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/eternal-father-will-prevent-new-wo...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Remnant_Army
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We all know who put gold on this earth. And here's some good news:

 

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/eternal-father-will-prevent-new-wo...

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