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"Slaughter House": First Person Accounts Of How IBM Just Fired Thousands Of Workers Across India

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A week ago, the Dell dude warned that it's going to be a layoff "bloodbath" as the recently LBO-ed firm began firing 15,000. Now it's IBM's turn.

According to WRAL Tech Wire, the company which has underperformed Wall Street's expectations for many quarters, has begun "cost-rationalizing" terminations in India - the country that hosts some 100,000 of IBM's employees and where IBM reportedly employs the greatest number of workers. The unit targeted is the Systems Technology Group which is the troubled hardware group selling its low-end x86 server business to Lenovo for $2.3 billion and where Big Blue's executives have launched "Resource Action", also known as "rebalancing" but best known as mass, across the board terminations where by some estimates up to 13,000 of IBM's 434,000 workers are set to be let go.

As WRAL reports, Lee Conrad, head of union efforts to unionize IBMers, has received emails from workers as well as a reporter in India. The "RA" is expected to hit IBMers in North America as early as Feb. 19, based on internal speculation. In other words, look for a notice that IBM is laying off thousands in the US in the coming days.

"Still waiting here in the U.S." Conrad wrote.

But for now, quietly and under the radar, India is getting the pink slip Friendo treatment. And if the handling of IBM's Indian workers is any indication of what the company's US-based employees can expect, it ain't much:

Below are various scribbled or detailed notes sent out by IBM's workers upon learning they have just been made redundant. All reflect sudden notices - and quick departures, with many reportedly being quite emotional.

"Slaughter House"

"Job cuts in India STG. Announced today including managers.Asked to return laptops with in 2 hrs and leave premises."

"STG Bangalore literally turned into a slaughter house today.

"Several employees were called to a meeting and RA'd.

"Their TPs were confiscated and they were asked to vacate premises immediately.

"Severance package was on an average 3 months basic component of salary, which is like 6 weeks full pay.

"RA per department as on today

  •     SRDC 40%
  •     Processors 15%
  •     SRAM 80%
  •     SSE Just began, final numbers not available

"RAs expected to last till friday.

"The fear is that HCM might be wiped off totally in a day or two. EDA and methodology numbers not yet available"

"People broke down after seeing the inhuman treatment.

"Laptops along with the cases were confiscated, so several employees were seen crying and exiting building carrying and balancing their personal belongings
with their two hands"

Two posts at the Alliance website also referenced layoffs at Bangalore, which is known as India's "Silicon Valley."

"RAs Started in Bangalore"

Three other posts give insight into what's happening in Bangalore:

"IBM today had a massive layoff in STG bangalore more than 40% staff was let go off in a single day. Be it PBC 1 or 2 doesnot matter you are just asked to leave IBM premises by immediate effect. I fail to understand how joB cut will help management to achieve 20 EPS. The upper executives lack vision and clarity to restructure business process. Good bye to ibm hopefully will be in better place than ibm."

"RAs started in STG Bangalore, hearing that large numbers impacted. Will keep you posted on the details as i get them. the job market is reasonably good outside and the average experience here is about 6-7 years.people are not too worried. most were anyway sick of the company and its junk policies. -Bangalore RAs started-"

"People were reacting to the sale of semiconductor business news rather harshly, well wishers were asking me when was I planning to leave IBM, and the others sarcastically asked me what am I still doing here in STG. Felt very embarrassed walking in the corridor today. The general perception here is that if you are still with IBM, it is because you did not find a job elsewhere. Phew !! that just means to say IBM STG is being considered the worst place to be at this time. We all at STG India would like to express solidarity with the IBM USA work force preparing for yet another RA in the coming weeks. Rest assured we do not feel any better being employed with IBM either. The flood gates are opening and I anticipate that we will lose all our above average work force in the next 3 months. Good luck to you all, I am sure there is life outside of IBM. bye for now, time to update my resume, keep in touch. -STG INDIA-"

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The good news, if only for shareholders: IBM will spend billions on stock buybacks and dividends in 2014... because paying wages is so not New Normal.


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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:42 | 4430273 Muddy1
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BANZAILook out below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:42 | 4430278 Pure Evil
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Couldn't happen to a nicer group of monkeys.

Outsourced my ass.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:50 | 4430296 Obchelli
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That means IBM beats numbers next report - Market rallies on this - IBM one of major Dow components and bla bla bla...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:55 | 4430323 Zero_Sum
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Their TP was confiscated? Harsh...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:00 | 4430335 HelluvaEngineer
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Yeah, after years of observation, we've determined you guys can't code for shit.  CTRL-C, CTRL-V this bitch!

EDIT: apparently this is the hardware division.  I stand by my comment.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:05 | 4430366 TruthInSunshine
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MyRA'd -AND- their TP (toilet paper or ThinkPad?) was taken away.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:11 | 4430392 James_Cole
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Don't worry, GS is going to help save IBM:

"IBM is exploring a sale of its semiconductor business in what would be its most significant strategic move since it faced a financial crisis in the early 1990s.

The US technology giant has appointed Goldman Sachs to sound out possible buyers..."

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:44 | 4430450 zaphod
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IBM hires more employees in India that the US because US companies do not care about their home country at all and neither does their government.

But that is NOT the case with China. 

Now that IBM is selling more and more of its parts to Chinese companies, do not expect the Chinese buyers to continue to employ so many Indians in India. Lenovo will quickly cut the India workforce and move employment to China, that is smart government and corporate policy. The US used to understand this but then got fat off of the FED and free money. By the time the US wakes up, all decent employment based off of US inventions will be overseas and not come back. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:52 | 4430493 Leaf of Tree
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As planned a long time ago.

The East is a couple of chess moves ahead of the West.

And the Illuminati types are OK with it.


Start learning chinese. Ni gau sum dak saw nakid gurl in da ppol.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:30 | 4430619 0b1knob
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"That which goes around also comes around."   The Enlightened Budha

The outsourers are themselves outsourced.   Eventually IBM will have all their code written by monkeys or something. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 00:54 | 4431234 Oh regional Indian
Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:14 | 4431273 Crawdaddy
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From that link - Culture is the cliff against which the ships of globalization are crashing.

Yes and it all working as planned. Crush cultures by creating pain until the pains of separation look greater than the pains of unity. Unity under one world govt.

The people of the world must unite to stop the NWO.

Ironic is it not?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:16 | 4431286 Oh regional Indian
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Hah, ironic it is indeed Crawdaddy...

Stay apart to come together, or come together to stay apart....or some such!

The age of iron, Kali Yuga, drenched in Irony...


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 05:13 | 4431531 StychoKiller
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Why can't you hindoos pin down the end of the age of kali yuga better?  The range is huge!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 08:50 | 4431730 Ranger4564
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Culture is just a crutch, a set of beliefs that have no bearing on reality, a set of practices which are entirely meaningless, an association with history which has no relevance, and mostly, a conditioning device to brainwash the masses. To many people, they have no personal depth, so they need culture to fill that void. I call such people cultural caricatures.

Once you look past the various cultures which divide us, you can see we're mostly all the same, and we could work together without losing our identity, but most will not bother, requires too much work and too much reflection.

But I agree, fuck the NWO, because it's being imposed from above and not being built from the foundation..

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:49 | 4430669 FredFlintstone
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Chinese planning = oxymoron.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:07 | 4430729 The Dunce
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Perhaps Indians are much too expensive.  Maybe Cambodia will be the next destination.  Bitches.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:44 | 4430650 Jack Burton
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It's obvious that corporate America uses the US government when it needs it, and it uses foreign workers when they need them. The idea that either the US government or US corporations have any loyalty to the people of America is long since proven to be a joke. Congress right now is working hard with Obama's help to push through the TPP, a so called trade pact, which is instead a legal formulation for extra national corporate dictatorship, or quasi fascism, with corporate power expanded to a level never seen in history. The AMeican people have no roll in this, other than what corporations seek to make of us. If TPP passes, you will witness things you did not believe possible, national laws will be subject to corporate approval, and they can be brought before an international pannel of corporate lawyers who will determine what lawas are valid and which are not. Any national law that effects a corporations potential for profits will be judged void. This includes matters of pay, pensions, unemployment insurance, tax laws, health care mandates.

For thos ehaters of Obama Care, and corporation under TPP could demand that a three judge pannel of international corporate lawyers rule on it's validity. If it might negatively effect a potential for profit, then it will, by TPP lawm be voided. Along with any private law suit brought by a citizen, if a corporation pollutes your farm land for example. States and individuals rights under national and state laws are all voided by TPP, and the TPP courts of corporate hacks will settle what is a legal act and what is not.

Obama is allied with the entire republican and democrat party to jam TPP down our throats. The media is silent, because the media hopes to profit from many extra legal rights under TPP. Obama is evil of the Hitler level. Not since Hitler has such evil existed, or perhaps not since Bush was president, either way, Bush and Obama are 99% the same, the 1% difference is on social issues that are non of governments business in the first place.

My thoughts are, fuck you Obama you snake, you liar, war criminal and corporate cock sucker.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:45 | 4430880 Jumbotron
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**** DING DING DING ****


Absolutely SPOT ON Jack.  Of course this started in earnest globally around the turn of the 20th century and with us in particular in 1913.

Global Corporations do not care a wit for the Consitution.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:43 | 4432847 Rafferty
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The pity is that IBM, when it was an 'American' as distinct from an international company was a very good and considerate employer and created great technology.  But globalism has made them like all the rest, no loyalty or consideration for any person, country or thing, just impress Wall St.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 08:34 | 4431708 Ranger4564
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Unless the people of the world unite and oppose this corporate transition, we're all fucked for a very long time. This is corporations eliminating governments. Some people don't realize we have 2 governments, one we wanted to protect us, one foisted on us to control us. The government being eliminated is the one we wanted, the oppressive one will not be removed, it will be the enforcement arm of the corporate dictatorship.

For those who keep saying they can't act because they have too much to lose... how about trying to prevent the inhumane world in which your children and your grandchildren will have to live in? Grow some fucking balls and have a little bit of consideration / compassion. I know, not possible on a site where self-interest is the mantra.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:12 | 4430394 TheFourthStooge-ing
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IBM: I've Been Marginalized

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:18 | 4430566 PT
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You know shit is bad when they can't even afford to pay Indian workers.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 08:50 | 4431729 Lumberjack
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For those youngsters that didn't get the video...

H=I   A=B   L=M 



Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:43 | 4430654 Jack Burton
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Great one PT! +100  You are right, how bad is it when they are firing the fucking Indians?!?!?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:41 | 4430804 Indian_Goldsmith
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Such racist hatred is well deserved. You americans should send those indian workers at silicon valley back to this shithole where i live. I can foresee the resulting demographic disaster when all these indians become unemployed violent assholes. But I WILL NOT KILL MYSELF folks. I WILL SURVIVE!. even if it means surviving on soylent green and living in an apocalyptic Munbai

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:40 | 4430874 The_Dude
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I'll drive!!!.....let me know what airport or boat dock to drop them at.....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 23:12 | 4430984 e_goldstein
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You could always eat that shirt.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 00:47 | 4431220 Crawdaddy
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apocalyptic Mumbai would be an upgrade

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:02 | 4432100 Getafix
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That's pretty hilarious, and totally true for most of India, not just Mumbai. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 09:11 | 4431717 Ranger4564
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You fucking hypocrite. Why should anyone love Indians when Indians hate and abuse their own? First build a humane society, then come back and we can talk about how you're offended because Indians are being mistreated by outsiders.

India was and has always been an apocalyptic nation... the caste system, the heavy reliance on slave labor, the immoral beiief that everyone else is there to serve you... all that crap is so ingrained into your mindsets, you can't see how evil the ideology is.

That's also why so many of them can be the CEO's of so many corporations... heartlessness is a common thread between the caste system (pyramid scheme) and the capitalist system (pyramid scheme).

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4431053 TheMeatTrapper
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IBM is a fucked up, shit for brains company. 

I'm an IT consultant and the largest contract my firm ever got was from a large bank to "fix" what IBM fucked up. As a result, we learned to follow IBM around and make a good living unfucking their messes. 

It's insane. 

Typical scenario:

A potential client issues a Request for Proposals. We submit an accurate, honest bid. The corporate types who don't know shit about IT but make the IT purchasing decisions (first fucking mistake by the corporate structure) rolls their eyes at us for being 'the little guys'.  IBM rolls in with their fancy ass sales pitch and bullshit marketing and shmoozes the decision makers. They win the contract. They fuck it all up and waste millions of the clients dollars. 

We then get called back and have to bust our ass to fix everything and get the system back on schedule.

Anybody who works for, or does business with IBM in any respect what so ever deserves what they get. 

The problem is that the corporate types don't give a fuck. They don't want to pay Americans to do an honest job. They don't want to hear the truth. I recently had a client terminate their relationship with me because I wouldn't tell them what they wanted to hear. They'll keep shopping until they find somebody that will. They want to cut corners, crunch numbers and get their up front, short term bonus for 'cost savings' which means cutting corners and hiring Indians who can't speak English or use common sense when designing a system. 

The coporate purchasing agents aren't the end users of the systems they purchase. It's like buying groceries for someone else to eat - who gives a shit what it tastes like as long as it's cheap, after all they don't have to eat their own dogfood - somebody else does. All they care about is collecting their bonus and going to the football game. 

I cannot stand cowardice. The corporate world is second only to government in that regard. 

I'm thinking about becoming a machinist. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 00:42 | 4431211 Welder
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Machinist ? Give welding a try.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:11 | 4431267 TheMeatTrapper
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I have close friend who has an engineering degree from Clemson. He does very sell and lives in the wealthiest community in the State. 

He recently went back to night school to learn to weld. It was supposed to be his 'fallback plan'. 

He started picking up scrap and now welds it into "art" that he sells to his yuppie friends. Makes damn good money off his fallback plan. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:01 | 4431246 Crawdaddy
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Looking for courage in corp US is a fools errand these days. Although rare, it can happen. I once saw an exec VP stand up in front of the whole company (telecomm and video links to 25k people) and explain why outsourcing was a shameful failure. He gave hard numbers proving that outsourcing not only failed to meet the financial goals but actually cost the company 2.3x more money than if we had never outsourced. The entire (usa born) crowd applauded. Said exec mysteriously left to "spend more time with his family" soon thereafter.

The people running most Fortune 500 companies are not simply cowards, they are in on the deal. They sold their soul for 20 pieces of bitcoin in exchange for temporary control and illusionary power. They are the foot soldiers that are crushing our culture. Remember that when the time comes.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:10 | 4431264 ReactionToClose...
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sad truth largely .... we push our parents down the stairs for a bigger house .... except it is your 'neighbor's ' parents not our own.....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 08:26 | 4431687 Pumpkin
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All these outsourcing horror stories should give everyone a big hint here.  Outsourcing IS NOT A BUSINESS DECISION!  It is a social engineering dicision!  Now all those 'foolish mysteries' make a lot more sense, don't they?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:53 | 4431342 RafterManFMJ
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Insightful posts like this one about International Bowel Movement are one of the main reasons I attend the Hedge.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:52 | 4432894 Rafferty
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Trapper, very true.  Seen the same thing myself for years. As you say corporate purchasing make the decision but from a different perspective the supplier (e.g. IBM) SALES  people determine price and scope of work.  Usually a mismatch to get the deal.  The implementation people then don't have enough budget to do it properly.  Enter the supplier Contracts people who know every trick of the trade and they get out of ithe project with a handy profit while you go in and fix it at a fraction of the cost.


The amazing thing is that time and time again the big 'consultancies' get repeat work, no matter how often or how big they fuck up.  Accidenture are the worst by far but it seems to make no difference to the fuckers in terms of winning business.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:44 | 4430456 HeavydutyMexica...
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I concur

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:02 | 4430510 Robinhood
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They can code like shit and they never test it, so expect nothing better than shit.

I'm sure hardware is no different. Wait? I just had to send brand new hardware back because the memory battery wasn't backing up the memory. Sucks to be the RTC. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:54 | 4432924 Rafferty
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Short-term profit focus frowns on testing, especially regression testing which is seen as a complete waste.  And the problems often don't surface until well after implementation, at which point IBM (or whoever) hold the whip hand.


However IBM used not be like this, say up to early nineties.  They used to be a great company, who would have done anything to avoid shoddy work. Admittedly at an exorbitant cost.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:38 | 4435371 anti-republocrat
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Early '90s, yup.  That's when Gerstner took over.  IBM Rochester had a small disk unit that was years ahead of competitors.  I watched Gerstner brag on corporate tv about how another manufacturer had offered to buy the unit, but it wasn't for sale.  Next thing you know, he gives their mission to San Jose, lays off some and forces others to choose between relocating from their lifetime homes to sunny expensive California or leaving the company.  Seagate, Western Digital and a bunch of other outfits picked up all the talent.  He didn't sell the unit.  Instead, he destroyed it and got nothing for it.  IBM missed out on the .com boom, but Wall Street thought Gerstner was a wizard for turning the company around when it would have turned around anyway due to a rebounding economy after the Bush (43) recession.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:24 | 4430596 Wahooo
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Wasn't there just an article about how companies have fallen in love with Indian CEOs?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:37 | 4430634 jenniewadeguy
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I too have "observed" them for years and can come to no opinion different than what you have offered.  They can't code for shit.  Nor can they design or even understand anything in the IT world beyond the most very basic.  Indians truly SUCK in the software engineering arena!  No ifs, no ands, no buts about it.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:45 | 4430666 Jack Burton
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A friend of mine in Britain and an other in Sweden both work in high end IT for major medical systems. They both say the same, Indians were brought over to their companies by the hundreds to write code on the cheap. According to my friends, most of their work has to be reworked by the European staff for it to function. They say Indians suck at code, yet they work cheap. Bottom line and all that, eh what?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:17 | 4430767 HobbyFarmer
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SAP ABAP programmer here....worked with dozens of other programmers on dozens (hundreds) of projects over my 15 year career.  The offshore work always means tons of issues, end-user frustration, and re-work. 

Us Americans can code as well as any Indians or Germans.  We are more expensive on a per hourly basis than the Indians, but cheaper in the long run.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 23:46 | 4431074 TheMeatTrapper
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A close friend who is a senior software developer for a medical software provider used to run a team of 15 or 20 Indians in India. It was his job to "manage" them and make sure things were on schedule and up to par. 

The company has now shifted it's model and it runs a team of 4-5 senior, experience guys  - and no outsourcing. 

They are getting better quality, faster turnaround and more agile development from a small team of qualified people than a large team of unqualified people. 

Who could have imagined that? 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:08 | 4431259 Crawdaddy
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Offshore sucks for most anything other than monitoring. The only thing that sucks worse is the current project mgmt love affair known as Agile. Agile + offshore = angina.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:38 | 4431324 TheMeatTrapper
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Agile = Excuse for management to constantly change their mind as they go along and expect IT to keep re engineering the solution. 

It's the equivalent of redesigning the car as it rolls down the assembly line. 

The most hated words in corporate America "Tell me what you want, in writing, and I'll build it for you". 

Good, fast , cheap. Pick any two. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 05:21 | 4431539 StychoKiller
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An example of how a typical end-user specifies what kind of computer program they want you to design:

   Dear Mr. Architect:

please design and build me a house.  I'm not quite sure of what I need or want in a house, so you should use your discretion.

   My new house should have between 2 and 45 bedrooms.  Just make sure the plans are such that bedrooms can be easily added or eliminated.  When you bring the blueprints to me, I'll make the final decision of what I want.  Also, bring me the cost breakdown for each configuration so that I can arbtrarily pick one.

   Keep in mind that the house I ultimately choose must cost less than the one in which I currently reside.  Make sure, however, that you correct all the deficiencies that exist in my current home.  I'd allow you to view my current house to help you understand and avoid the problems that I'm referring to, but I'm afraid that it may interfere with your creative abilities.

   Also keep in mind as you design this house that I wish to keep yearly maintainance costs as low as possible.  This should mean the incorporation of the latest technological advancements in siding & insulation.  If you choose not to specify aluminum siding, be prepared to explain in detail.

   Please make sure that modern design practices and the latest materials are used in constructing the house.  The house should be very nice.  However, be alerted that the kitchen should be designed to accommodate my 1952 Gibson refrigerator and any other items with which we don't wish to part.

   To assure that you are building the correct house for my family, make sure that you contact each of my children and in-laws.  My Mother-in-law will have very strong feelings about how the house ought to be designed since she visits us at least once a year.  Make sure that you weigh carefully all suggestions made by family members and make the right decisions.  I, however, retain the right to override any decisions you make.

   Please don't bother me with details right now.  Your job is to develop the overall plans for this house.  Get the big picture.  It's not appropriate at this time to be choosing such things as the color of the carpet, although you should keep in mind that my wife likes green.

   Also, do not worry at this time about acquiring the resources needed to build this house.  Your first priority is to develop detailed plans and specifications.  However, once I accept the plans, I'll expect to have the house under roof within 48 hours.

   While you are designing this house specifically for me, keep in mind that sooner or later I'll probably sell the house.  It should appeal to the largest number of potential buyers.  Please make sure, before you finalize the plans, that there is a consensus of the population in my area as to the desirability of the features included in the house.

   You are advised to look at my neighbor's house, which he constructed last year.  We like it a great deal because it has many features that we would like to have in our new home, particularly the 75-foot swimming pool.  With careful engineering I believe that you can design this into our new house without impacting the construction cost.

   Please prepare a complete set of blueprints.  I's not necessary at this time to do the real design since these blueprints will used only for construction bids.  Please be advised, though, that any resulting increase in the cost caused by future design changes will result in your getting your hands slapped.

   You must be thrilled to be working on such an interesting project such as this.  To be able to use new kinds of construction and to be given such freedom in design is something that doesn't happen very often.  Contact me as soon as possible with your design ideas.  I'm most enthusiastic in seeing what you develop.

                                               Prospective Client

   P.S.  My wife has just told me that she disagrees with many of the instructions that I've given you in this letter.  As the architect, it is your responsibility to resolve these issues.  I've tried in the past and have been unable to accomplish this.  If you can't handle this, I'll have to look for a new architect.

   P.P.S.  Perhaps what I need is not a house at all, but rather, a travel trailer.  Please advise me as early as possible if this is the case.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:05 | 4432105 Crawdaddy
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Big lol re: 1952 Gibson refrigerator.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:12 | 4431270 ReactionToClose...
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that is my observation as well ... longer term is the key observation...but management is always weak

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:47 | 4431335 jerry_theking_lawler
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In the middle of SAP upgrade for my company...working with the consultants and coders...and yes, they are indians. EXACTLY as stated above...the labor is 1/2 the price, but due to errors, re-work, language and cultural barriers, the projects take 4 times the amount of time....overall MORE COSTS and budget/time overruns. dumb money chasing 'cheap' labor.....didn't say a cheaper project.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:01 | 4432943 Rafferty
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"but cheaper in the long run."


Aha!  But today's companies don't think in the long term.  Hardly even medium term.  The whole executive reward system is short-term.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 04:29 | 4431503 Freddie
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There is a name for their code - spaghetti.  My American buddy, very good programmer, used to be a contractor for the JP Morgue.  He used to get calls at home at 3 am because some fu**stick in Mubai screwed something up.

He got off the contract and told the headhunter - no more banks - ever. He can pick and choose what he wants to work on.  All the American programmers that I know are very good to fantastic. 

Russians and Ukrainians are good but they tell you they are good...often. They tell you that you are stupid.  They are actually sort of fun but stubborn.

Germans good.   Chinese good but not good at problem solving.

India, Bang, thanks.  

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:02 | 4432948 Rafferty
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Reflects my experience exactly.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:45 | 4430884 SilverRhino
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You shouldsee the shit they create when they get their hands around access control on custom IT platforms. 

Just made some SERIOUS money correcting all that for some Europeans.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 06:31 | 4431588 Davalicious
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There is actually a lot of software in hardware. Software is even written to create and optimize circuits. So you aren't too wide of the mark.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:46 | 4430459 TN Jed
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Oh well, back to using the water hose and their left hand.  This is why they always eat with the right.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:29 | 4430817 Indian_Goldsmith
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The real reason is that Indians dont use paper to wipe their asses after a dump, they use 3 fingers of the left hand and water. Sorry for the graphic, nbut the truth must come out. So its hygenically better to use the right hand to eat :D

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:54 | 4430909 akak
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So they grab the hose or water container with shit-covered hands to supposedly wash it off, meanwhile contaminating said hose or water container for the next poor unhygenic slob to use in washing (sic) his hands even while leaving HIS shit to contaminate the next guy in line, and so on. 

Yeah, great system there Ravi.  No wonder cholera and every strain of hepatitis are still endemic in India.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 02:39 | 4431409 Oh regional Indian
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Akak, sometimes you sound like you need to get your USAUSA head out of your ass and your self out of Alaska and see the world for what it really is.

For all your "cleverness", posts like this show a reactive dim-wit hiding inthere somewhere. 

+, dry wiping your ass is what makes you such an iritable asshole sometimes! ;-)


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 04:10 | 4431489 akak
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And yet, Oh Unhygenic Indian, I see that you cannot logically refute what I had to say, so must fall back to attacking me personally instead.

I could spend all day listing the faults and failures of degenerate modern-day American culture, but fortunately, our much superior hygiene is not one of them.

Sorry, ORI, but any human who willfully shits in a public setting, or on the ground, is no better than an animal.  Poverty is NO excuse whatsoever.  Even my dog knows better than to do what half your population is apparently unable to fathom.

Now, go take a shit on a sidewalk or in some corpse-laden "holy" river.  Maybe Krishna will enlighten you on the merits and wisdom of not fouling your own nest while you're doing so.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 04:51 | 4431520 Oh regional Indian
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When I speak of the US, I speak from having spent 12 formative years there. Lived up and down the chain from Rich to broke. 

Have you ever been to India? Huh? Or do you prefer your reality delivered through NatGeo and the BBC?

If you have never been here, you can comment all you want (spewing is free for all), but your words carry no meaning at all. None.


For that matter, even been in a ghetto? I have, but I think you would soil yor white ass in a heartbeat. Much worse things than shitting on sidewalks happen there.


It's like your chinese citizenism schtick, old and bedraggled now. 

At least the 4th stooging is an equal opportunity basher.

All good though, to itch his own. Too bad that yours in a place where the sun never shines ;-)

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:21 | 4433050 akak
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I have just three words for you and your one billion fellow countrymen (and for the love of God[s], PLEASE stop breeding like rabbits already!), Oh Unhygenic Indian:

toilet paper


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:57 | 4430331 Pure Evil
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Well of course, like any hot air balloon, once you discard the dead weight, to the stratosphere and beyond.

But, of course, nary a tear is shed when it happens to all those overpayed US employees and then those jobs just happen to pop up in India.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:28 | 4430611 jenniewadeguy
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Definitely monkeys.  Third World all the way.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:55 | 4430316 booboo
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I hear they are outsourcing 911 operators in Chicago to India. "911 how may I be helping you today"

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:59 | 4430334 Ness.
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That's not a bad thing honestly.  Thanks to the Simpson's (and APU), I can better understand someone at least attempting to speak English more so than anyone who answers a call at 911 or City Hall in Chicago.


Thank you - come again!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:47 | 4430458 Offthebeach
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All that means is the union 911 lardarse gets severance, 2 years unemployment, a couple of years joblock training and then the lawyer carried hack doctor disability kicks in. Then its the condo on the beach in Jupiter, F'nLA!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 04:45 | 4431515 Disenchanted
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re: "more so than anyone who answers a call at 911 or City Hall in Chicago"

foschizzle my nizzle...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 05:24 | 4431542 StychoKiller
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"Welcome, kind shopper, to my humble store, but keep your hands where I can see them or I'll dance upon your bullet-riddled carcass!" -- Apu, "Virtual Springfield' CDROM game"

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:07 | 4430378 Muddy1
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"911 how may I be helping you today"

"May I call you booboo?"

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:55 | 4430684 tempo
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The .01% (FB owners) have spoken...Automate everything, we need no workers. People create carbon footprint, we don't need people.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:44 | 4430275 Ignatius
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Plan 'Americanize Indian Economy' on schedule, sir.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:14 | 4431277 ReactionToClose...
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funny --- you should write a comedic novel

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:46 | 4430286 1000924014093
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None of what was in that description was a literal slaughter-house. I should know, I worked in a real one.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:18 | 4430401 BandGap
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Nasty assed places.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:50 | 4430298 forwardho
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Jesus, have we got to the point where they are laying off the slave labor?


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:00 | 4430349 Freddie
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LOL!  F IBM and their spyware police state crap.   IBM and the other scum spying tech companies load up their American locations with H-1Bs and Americans are shunned enmasse.

F them.  IBM is one of the worst and nasiest around.  Dealing with them is like dealing with Uncle Sam and the Gambino family.  At least with the real Mafia - you get a nice pasta and a sauce.

I guess forign companies and govts are tired of all their data, information and secrets being stolen by American hardware and software plus internet pipes.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:03 | 4430361 The Gooch
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egg noodles and catsup.

edit: Sorry for "The Hollywood", Freddy.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:15 | 4431279 ReactionToClose...
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kind of agree with you here Sir Freddie

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:49 | 4430308 Leaf of Tree
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Chinese own IBM.

Chinese hate Indians.

Chinese fire Indians.

Chinese laugh JamesBond-evil-overlord style.

Ni hau..

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:00 | 4430344 Ness.
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Did you put pee-pee in my Coke too?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:05 | 4430368 Leaf of Tree
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Chinaman doesn't not own CocaCola.


Chinaman has extra dollah'. Maybe Chinaman buys CocaCola, put opium in it, sell to fat boy americaz to make more dollaz.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:35 | 4430433 GooseShtepping Moron
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Bite the wax tadpole?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 05:28 | 4431548 StychoKiller
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For Pepsi, their slogan got translated to:  "Pepsi, it'll bring your dead ancestors back to life!"

KFC in Mexico:  "It takes a hard man to make a chicken amorous!"

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:43 | 4430453 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah Chinese citizenism citizens and their dedication to strawsmen. You gotta love them.

That is a some good standard you have provided here...
With a few corrections, it will suit perfectly well the selling of the next Chinese citizenism blobbing up.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:47 | 4430463 Leaf of Tree
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I tried to do my Boris-like impression of a typical Sum Ting Wong bloke.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:07 | 4430374 Freddie
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The f**king high fructose corn syrup that Archer Daniels Midland puts in almost everything you eat in America is worse than his pee pee.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:49 | 4430469 zaphod
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You can now pay extra for "Natural Coke" with real sugar instead of regular Coke.

Makes you wonder what regular Coke is since it clearly is not natural.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:56 | 4430501 Freddie
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Archer Daniels Midland owns Congress.  So if they want to kill all Americans and make them sick with high fructose corn syrup in everything then Congress will say go right ahead.

They did this retro with Mtn Dew as well.  The old Mtn Dew was a Texas company and it was a citrus drink filled with orange juice, it was not loaded with sugar and jacked to the moon with caffine.  It was really good.  Pepsico bought them and made it into paint thinner.

I doubt the retro they released recently by the scum at Pepsico is identical to the old Mtn Dew formulation.

It is weird you mention this because an American lady on the elevator today was mentioning Coca Cola in Mexico has real sugar and they sell it at Costco in the USA (?).  She was telling me how shitty regular Coke is. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:15 | 4430559 zaphod
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It's actually your own government that does this HFCS thing to you, for corporate lobbyist money.

The price for sugar in the US is something crazy like 300% higher than in the rest of the world. This is becuase the US has import tarrifs designed to "protect" the sugar industry and make a few hundred CA farmers rich (don't ask why the US does not protect most other industry)

It is because of the super high cost of sugar in the US, that so many companies have switched to fake sugar. 


So in summary, the entire US population has been forced to eat HFCS for a generation, in the process completely destroying the health of the population, all in order to protect around 1000 policically connected sugar farmers in CA. 

It is fucking unbelievable. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:42 | 4430872 Yes_Questions
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Totally fucking believable and I buy the Coke with Cane sugar exclusively.


Have maybe 2-3 a month, buy it by the case.


HFCS is fucking evil, and belongs NOWHERE near a human's diet.


oh, and orange juice cannot have REDUCED SUGAR...only sugar is sugar.  Just because something is sweet does not mean it contains sugar.


Fuck you Tropicana!!  

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 03:33 | 4431459 anonnn
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The Sugar Trust...

Around 1900 Ida Tarbell tried to do a study of the great trusts. There were 3.

Sugar Trust

Steel Trust

Oil Trust

She tried the Sugar Trust and Steel trust and could not establish any communication line to the insiders. They were impregnable to any investigation.

So she tried the Oil Trust put together by John D Rockefeller and succeeded in getting enough inside scoop to publish a grand expose of R and Standard Oil's real history.

The Sugar Trust remains seemingly impregnable {so I'm told] to this day. Hint---sugar is very useful weapon to control other "sovereign" states.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:25 | 4430809 weburke
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Notice, if you will, what is being put in more and more products. If you wanted to do random poisoning, you would want be able to spike just a very few products that get added to everything. Oh who would do that? How could you think like that? Wormwood you script disdainers !

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:17 | 4431285 ReactionToClose...
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another vague agree

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:53 | 4430313 The Gooch
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The bonuses! Oh the bonuses!

Dear IBM,

We've got at least 11 million on deck for punchcards-

here on the USSA TPP barge.

p.s. Ignatius, I think you have it backwards. no. wait.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:54 | 4430317 spinone
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Whats good for the goose that laid the golden egg is good for the gander.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:54 | 4430330 Uber Vandal
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Its rather interesting how many people were bashing those stock chart overlays of the 1927 - 1929 vs recent, and in the article, it mentions this:

The "RA" is expected to hit IBMers in North America as early as Feb. 19, based on internal speculation. In other words, look for a notice that IBM is laying off thousands in the US in the coming days.

The reason for the highlight is the downtrend in the charts is around that timeline, to about March 4.

Purely coincidental, of course.

Until it isn't.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:08 | 4430382 RaceToTheBottom
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Turn out the lights, the party is over....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:18 | 4431287 ReactionToClose...
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good catch ... actually hopw you are wrong but methinks not

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:57 | 4430337 Leaf of Tree
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In Romania working for IBM consultancy arm is where all the lazy programmers go to.

Best IT companies in Romania, wages and conditions, are Intel, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Softwin (BitDefender), HP, Thales, Ubisoft.

IBM is way low. IBM just burns people up. Everyone hates working for IBM and are on the lookout for better job oportunities.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:02 | 4430348 HelluvaEngineer
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I'm sure the NSA is hirin'

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:25 | 4430408 Leaf of Tree
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Not really.


There was this era, 10 years ago when NSA would hire hackers and stuff, not just Americans but Eastern Europeans.

In Romania in the past, hacking some .gov American siht was viewed like applying a CV to get hired by the NSA.

Not anymore.

The Romanian hacker that last year I think, hacked Collin Powel's email account to expose his affair with Romanian socialist MEP Corina Cretu, got his ass arrested and thrown in jail. He was expecting the red carpet from the American consulate in Bucharest. Hahaa.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:19 | 4431288 ReactionToClose...
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without revealing too much ... you are exactly correct in all what I have seen in E Europe.... the 'glamour' phase is over.   Folks eventually everywhere start to see what reality is .....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:02 | 4430352 Superdude
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Interesting times. I have nothing to compare it to in my life, but when McDonalds is losing money, Wal-Mart has low sales and then they start laying off the cheap labour, somethings not quite right. Also, TPTB are coming out and stating they are being persecuted for being rich, true cognitive dissonance. Actually, if you consider TPTB to be a family, then it makes sense, they are protecting thier own. As society breaks down, humans save their own first. It will be interesting when members from the little club of priviledge join the big club of shit sandwhich eaters. You just know that a few will see the writing on the wall and try to rally the masses in hopes of forming the new power. I can't wait for the infighting of TPTB, which is coming, though nail gun bonanza and banker vs gravity are not creative enough for my likings.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:09 | 4430388 Freddie
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If Wal Mart did not have EBT/food stamp cards - they would be sucking wind big time.  This is what is keeping them in business now.  Starve the beast - unplug TV and Hollywood too.   They gave us this police state Obam world.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:41 | 4430451 lotsoffun
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and if macdonalds did not have a work force subsidized with food stamps, they would be losing money also, having to pay people enough to eat.  and the subsidy that ATT and VRZ get for supplying obama phones doesn't stink for the bottom line either.  and the 'rental' propertys that have been snapped up by blackstone and company are subsidized also - because a large percentage of the renters are 'section 8'.  obama is owning about everything right now - 85 billion FKING DOLLAR a month for 4 years - buys a lot of votes.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:48 | 4430479 Freddie
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+1 million

It is like healthcare.  Pre-ObamaCare you were paying about 3 times for healthcare:

1. For yourself.

2. Being overcharged by the hospital, doctor and insurance company to subsidize illegals and Obamavoters getting it all free. 

3. Being charged for your property taxes by the county to fund the local hospitals taking illegal aliens and Obama voters for free.

Now you are paying all of those plus #4

4. Overpaying ACA to subsidize people buying ACA plans.



Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:39 | 4430642 The Gooch
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Henry Ford made sure his workers could afford to eat his cars.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 02:22 | 4431392 Herodotus
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Henry Ford paid his workers nearly 1/4 oz. of gold per day in 1914.  Do you realize how much money that is?  That is $31.20 per hour based on a 10-hour workday.

Plus, they didn't have any deduction for UAW dues.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:49 | 4430464 Omen IV
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in many ways your line of thinking  would result in a better outcome much quicker - if the republicans could get control they would wipe out UI, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, SNAP, minimum wage, local and federal government employment  and approve the TPP - so no more jobs and no consumer cash flow coupled with no floor or support for perhaps 65% of the population - the combination would be a nuclear bloodbath and probably the catalyst for a new kind of government - the democrats should sit back and flip them the keys

this is a prescription that would overcome all the bible based political nonsense

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:20 | 4430572 forexskin
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your nonsense is refuted in two words:

status quo

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:35 | 4430630 The Gooch
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Ahhhhh. Statism. 

Let's create an imaginary "floor" with freshly printed debt and redundant layers of .gov drones.


Also, the TPP is a done deal, regardless.

The genetically modified "Donkeyphants©" are pulling rickshaws down K-St in campaign funded Armani.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:00 | 4430355 new game
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nice catch, sharper than an average blade...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:04 | 4430359 highwaytoserfdom
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Hey  IBM just double duched there earnings for taxes..  Slave labor and tax free...  Welcome to the new normal.... India is about 15 years behind US... 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:04 | 4430362 pitz
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IBM has been pulling this shit for years in America.  And ignoring the resumes, by the tens of thousands, of qualified domestic tech talent.  H-1B visa abuse by IBM is rampant.  What a scummy company, to say the least!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:33 | 4430425 firestarter_916
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Don't forget the scumbags in Congress trying to get a bill signed to bring in foreign labor. What the hell will happen to salaries in America then?  If not export the jobs, import the cheap labor!  SCUM!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 02:22 | 4431390 Crawdaddy
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Saw it firsthand. Everything you said is true. Fuck the Blue

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 05:45 | 4431554 Dr. Bonzo
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Nailed it dude. Why you think Suckerberg is pushing for immigration reform? He can lay off 80% of his staff, hire a bunch of FOB Bangaloriites and cut his payroll by 80%.



Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:04 | 4430364 dark pools of soros
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They realized that the productivity vanished after outsourcing so why bother to even pretend to keep the headcount with these monkeys?


The big corps don't really care though..  value is so last whenever..


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:03 | 4430367 Aquarius
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This is just typical US Corporate "Policy" in dealing with the firing of foreign employees. I have witnessed this many times.

Most experienced people always expect this type of treatment and take appropriate action as it always comes without notice; its a bit like torture, and killing, that is, something that Americans enjoy.

Work for a US company at your own risk; "Arseholes" describes them extremely well.

Ho hum

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:49 | 4430398 Leaf of Tree
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The majority of IT companies in Romania where pay is great and conditions are good are North American. American managers are preferred to Romanian ones.

IBM is still shit though.

Problem for Americans IT workers is that Romanian IT workers earn 25k USD a year. That is a good salary in Romania.  Tax is only 16% on the profits the company makes.

Salary tax for people involved with software development, that holds Computer Science faculty degree and is working for a company that invest annualy only  10k USD, is less that 1%.


So those 25k USD gross a year become 24,000 net USD a year. After 2003 in Bucharest and Transilvania many American companies opened up shop.



Yes, the commie Eastern Europeans are stealing American jobs. Who would have thought?


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4430854 eucalyptus
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I would imagine any American IT drone would rather move to Romania, even for the wage cut. They would make it up by being surrounded by Catrinel Menghia look-a-likes in Bucharest rather than the land-whales in the US.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 01:23 | 4431296 ReactionToClose...
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Personal Opinion: Leaf of Tree... you should 'opine' more often

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 02:33 | 4431401 BlackVoid
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And I bet, the Romanian IT guy knows his job and and his degree is not fake. Unlike the Indians.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:24 | 4430403 WillyGroper
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Aquarius, me thinks you're a bit too charitable in your description.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:14 | 4430370 RaceToTheBottom
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IBM (Indians Badly Managed) Services of India deserves all being laid off.

While you are at it, you should lay off the US Services executives for building this mess

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:44 | 4430395 Freddie
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Biggest douchebags going.  Their consultants are a joke and they charge insane amounts of money.  I remember when they went from white button down shirts and ties to trying to look like hipsters.  I would bet 40% of their revenues come from Uncle Sam.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:12 | 4430393 TheFreeLance
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WRAL is garbage. Do not believe a word they report without independent verification. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:16 | 4430399 smacker
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IBM gets its own back on socialist Indian government after seriously falling out with it c1970s and left the country.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:26 | 4430407 Duc888
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Ness:  Did you put pee-pee in my Coke too"?


Well, even worse....


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:35 | 4430430 Leaf of Tree
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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:29 | 4430415 Z_End
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Too bad, so sad. Welcome to the real world...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:30 | 4430418 firestarter_916
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WHAAAAAAA!  Karma is a bitch!  I can't believe they are whining, they got much better packages than their US counterparts who had their jobs stolen and sent to India!  Tech companies shed millions of American White Collar workers for cheaper labor and it sucked for everyone.  Those big mouth hot shots from Accenture and Booz Allen don't know SHIT about how to run organizations.  They are gglorified excel jockeys.  Any monkey can write formulas in spreadsheets. 3 months of salary severance?  WTF!  It only took Corporate America 14-years to figure out they f'd up.  I recall working in software and Americans who were losing their jjobs to India had to not on train them on how to do the job but got their asses kicked out the front door without so much as a few dollars.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:33 | 4430424 graspAU
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Dean at University I attended was 20 year US based IBM employee when they 1st started offshoring. Management flew people over from India, told the US Staff they were new team mates here to train. They trained them. After they went back to India management comes in and says those are not your teammates, those are the people who now have your jobs, here are your severance packages. Feel free to apply for any internal postings. Bye.

Corporations (and most managers) have no loyalty, prepare accordingly.


Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:58 | 4430504 WillyGroper
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You're suppose to teach them how to hose things up, not your job.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:01 | 4430515 Freddie
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LOL!  That is soooo IBM. 

I said they are like dealing with The Mafia.  It is just like when you are dealing with Paulie, Tony or Big Nick.  You think you are all square with the family, the top capo and the Godfather. 

They say everying is great and then as you are walking out the door you get two in the back of the head from Rocco.   ***king low lifes.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:28 | 4430612 joego1
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Life as usual under the global corporate thumb.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:10 | 4430742 fijisailor
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There's a cute movie about that called "Outsourced".  In the end the Indians get outsourced to China.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:34 | 4430434 buzzsaw99
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bonus time again so soon? :sigh:

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:34 | 4430435 bugs_
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those responsible for the sacking have been sacked!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:57 | 4430495 Animal Cracker
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Update:  Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:40 | 4430444 smacker
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In IBM's heyday, selling its x86 server business - or any other division - would have probably meant the IBM employees were assimilated into other parts of the company. But things have changed. Today is not the heyday. That is very clear from the paltry severance packages. In the 1990 era, packages of 3x annual, grossed up for tax were on offer, plus something in the pension pot.

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