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Spot The Average Federal Employee Salary

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Moments ago Barack Obama announced the hike of the minimum wage of workers under federal contracts from $7.25 to $10.10. Which got us thinking: just how disenfranchised really are Federal workers in the US?

On the chart below, try to guess, without peeking, which is the average salary of a Federal worker in the US and which is the average per capita income for all Americans.

 

What about on a median basis? Well, to answer that we go back to our chart of the day from December 3 "Chart Of The Day: What's Bad For America Is Good For... Washington, D.C." which while not providing Federal Worker data, has the median income for a resident of DC versus that of the average American.

Source: Office of Personnel Management, Bureau of Business and Economic Research, UNM

 

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Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:16 | 4429266 GoldSilverDoc
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We have a saying in medicine.... when the parasitic burden on the host gets too high, the host either dies, or the parasites starve to death.

About now, the parasitic load is reaching its maximum..................

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:18 | 4429278 Say What Again
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I'm glad that the people in DC are well paid.  After all, they take care of us, right?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:22 | 4429293 TruthInSunshine
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Leeches bleeding the host:

Federal "Workers" (unionized, of course) are less educated than yet make twice their private sector counterparts* (mainly living in D.C., Maryland & Virginia), with many of them making $200,000 or more.

(As it stands now, 1 out of every 6.7 Americans - or 21,000,000 - with a full time job - NOT INCLUDING MILITARY FORCES OR MILLIONS OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS (that's known as "cooking the books") - is employed by either a taxpayer-funded federal, state or local unit of government - FORWARD!)

#WinningTheFuture

#Hope&Change

#PopSomeTags

 

*Federal Workers Earn Double Their Private Counterparts

www.usatoday.com/.../2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm...?USA Today

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:27 | 4429326 synergize
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The key is unions - private labor needs to get unionized and once that happens salaries will go up.  This isnt a Federal gov't consipracy to overpay Fed workers (bankers on the other hand are different) but its a result of unionization which is dominant in the Federal gov't.

Private labor needs to get organized and unionized and wages will go up (and corporate profits down) - lets not get distracted from the real issue.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4429335 Atlas_shrugging
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Hey with the exec order raising the min wage now in the books, and the Senate just blew out the debt ceiling worry, now we can raise everyone's taxpayer funded pay to a million per year.  What a country I love it!!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:36 | 4429365 James_Cole
Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4429386 zaphod
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Obama's illegal order today should have been that all federal employees "only" recieve $10/hr

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:43 | 4429409 Divided States ...
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Those consumer confidence numbers must be using surveys taken strictly from the District of Columbia...no wonder they are so fuckin happy for getting paid a lot for doing little.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:36 | 4429696 TruthInSunshine
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ZH had a chart of "economic confidence" by regions and D.C. was either the sole or one of two geographic areas in the U.S. with a positive reading.

#Winning

#GiveEveryoneGovernmentJobs (These Are Called Banana Republics)

I'm starting a new political party (the "Basic Common Sense Party") whose only platform is to cut 50% of Federal employees and 35% of state and local employees, while barring unionization of any government employees.

I promise that by introducing the efficiencies used in the private sector, not only will taxpayers not be worse off in terms of "levels of services," but they'll see a 5 fold improvement in "levels of satisfactory services," while saving 1.7 trillion USD per year.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:54 | 4429808 max2205
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Fuck the DC

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:57 | 4429821 max2205
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Who needs race wars when you got this and the FSA going on. ..

 

 

Wait till the FSA sees this chart

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:27 | 4430416 Gankfest
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lol @ that chart... Taxes well spent! :D

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 04:10 | 4431492 MisterMousePotato
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The chart understates the disparity, and by so significant an amount that I believe it to be intentionally deceptive:

That $42kA? That includes all these .gov fucks. Cops, teachers, administrators, inspectors, and on and on and on and on and fucking on. And they are all, to a one, grotesquely overpaid, underworked, officious, and useless.

Take those salaries out of the mix and tell me what the average is. Oh, wait. You don't have to. Turns out (I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass based on something posted here a month or three ago) that the bottom 65% of workers make $25k or so.

Hm.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:55 | 4429811 Arius
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it reminds me of a recent article, the author was trying to demonstrate how Greeks are richer than Germans, because they dont pay taxes etc ... it ommited to ever mention in the article what the salaries were in each country ... dahhh the most obvious correct?

 

same here, if it was this obvious why the best and the brightest go to the private sector???

 

mass media is a game on its own ... we need another Raagan back to fix this thing!!!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:45 | 4429415 jbvtme
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what about the executive order by-passing congress. no latex, no lube...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:38 | 4429395 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Is that just salary? Or total compensation? I'm sure they have the mother load of golden fringe benefits too.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:44 | 4429427 KidHorn
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They do. For example they'll all probably get a free vacation day tomorrow because of snow.

I think the data is base salary only. Not benefits. With benefits, it would be a 6 figure number.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:46 | 4429441 kaiserhoff
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It has to be salary only.

The number with benefits is well over $100,000, but the pensions are so massive it's not easy to calculate.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:04 | 4429571 Shad_ow
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Some ecen get exhorbitant bonuses.  IRS comrades did.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:33 | 4430818 Raging Debate
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I am realling digging your commentary of late Shad_ow. The comrades of government in Russia got fucked in end the too just like ours will. It will be the USSA politibureau that walk away with the loot, at least 70% of them if we continue following the Soviet model and history rythmes for us. Those Fed employees probably feel so bright and superior for putting in that true workweek of 20 hours of focus. Chuckles knowing most families kids will piss it all away the next generation but its a short laugh and little comfort in the real world right now. I tell you as an analyst that has been correct since 2007 and can prove it about economics and geopolitics that if WW3 ignites and 1/3 die EVERY one of the politicians in the last decade at the federal level die too. A shame these folk dont really get it.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:40 | 4429396 kaiserhoff
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Thank you Tylers.  Everyone with a real job should know this.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:58 | 4429404 HyBrasilian
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Perfect! Can we now break down aggregate FEDERAL EMPLOYEE rolls [by tribe]?... You know ~ so as to get an idea as to 'WHO' demographically, is a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE [vs. 'their own' representative base aggregates]?... Put a FACE on it [so to speak]...

~~~

It would just be an exercise in FACTUAL math & statistics, [so NOBODY should be upset by this simple request]... Unless ~ of course...

~~~

Edit: I guess the answer to that, [in 'present day' ZH terms ~ whereby fonestar is KING &, irreverantly, pisses on 'Cheeky Bastard's' grave at will]... is 'NO'...

 

No ~ No we CAN'T endeavor to break down FEDERAL EMPLOYEE rolls [by tribe]...

Evidently ~ this is not something one needs to know, [NOR ~ be interested in]... Move along... Nothing to see here...

BTW ~ where has hedgeless_horseman been lately?

~~~

Hey sheep... Over HERE [on the other thread], I made a 'funny']... FIGHT CLUB 102: = 'Cheers with a Bloomberg Terminal where you get tickled to DEATH'...

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:48 | 4430013 Apostate2
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Francis? Francis_Sawyer?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:56 | 4430059 fuu
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Or slewie. Although with all the ~'s it is most likely francis.

Then again I always thought they were the same person.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:48 | 4430303 HyBrasilian
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Stick to the facts...

~~~

What's the 'harm' in looking in to the demographics of my comment?

It couldn't POSSIBLY be harmful [to ANYONE]?... Could it?... It could only point towards TRUTH... Last time I checked, TRUTH wasn't bad [or, am I wrong]?...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 22:47 | 4430465 fuu
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We should get together for a fondue, Anal By Irish

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:26 | 4430196 Pseudo Anonym
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you're new here, so you shall be forgiven for confusing and being confused wrt demographics as in the federal gov't (i.e. obummer's relatives) as opposed to the federal reserve (i.e. relatives of  rothschild and other foreign or dual citizenship nationals).

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:48 | 4429444 Buckaroo Banzai
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Statistics 101: correlation is not causation.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:59 | 4429532 James_Cole
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Statistics 101: correlation is not causation

You couldn't even get the wording correct. Correlation does not imply causation - a big difference. 

Here's some more chart porn for you:

http://sayanythingblog.com/files/2013/10/o-CEPRUNIONIZATIONRATE19482012-...

http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2010/09/gr-union-membership-300.gif

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4429356 TBT or not TBT
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Fuck that. Let's demolish the treasonous public sector unions and outsource most of these permanent job time serving shitheads. We could always start by banning them from giving money to political candidates, right out of th gate. Disenfranchising the permajob people left over would make sense.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:32 | 4429360 NOTW777
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where do you think salaries come from?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:22 | 4429654 IdeasRbulletproof
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Trees?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:42 | 4429393 Pseudo Anonym
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not even fucking /sarc off flag would fix this clueless comment

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:48 | 4429446 tip e. canoe
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My Gang Is Better Than Your Gang

GO GANGS!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:54 | 4429501 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: lets not get distracted from the real issue.

The real issue is that "conservative" (in quotes) like the top 10% (the winners who deserve to win) much more than the bottom 70% (the worthless losers who lost because they are lazy bastards - and "those people", of course).

It's about everybody knowning their place as defined by the top 10%. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:42 | 4429724 Pseudo Anonym
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you mean like banksters with the "law"  on their side raping you, your daughter and wife up the ass to show you where your place is?  as defined by them?  i.e. the likes of bernanke, yellen, greenspan, fisher, rothschild, konheim, blankfein, etc?  you know;  them?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:35 | 4429372 artless
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members of the mob tend/tended to be less educated than the rest of the working class too. many gangbangers are drop outs.

No Difference. Just because the people are "unionized", have a bunch of "laws" that supposedly make there jobs exist and therefore legitimate, and get their compensation in formal payroll checks rather than brown paper bags of cash or suitcases full of benjamins, it does not make their toli anything more or less than what it is. And that is criminal behavior and acts in the service of a criminal entity The United States Federal Government.

Each and every one of them should be fired, in some cases prosecuted for their actions and stripped of any and all benefits, pensions, and the like. No exceptions.

Perhaps onec deposited in the real world of the producer class they might actually do something of merit or GASP! productive. I look around and see loads of things that need doin'.

As someone onec said: country'll grow.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4429311 macholatte
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Buying Votes  101

Instructor: G Soros

Location: Center for American Progress

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:31 | 4429331 sixsigma cygnus...
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In an economy governed under a socialist doctrine, government jobs are always where you will find most of the higher paying jobs.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:45 | 4429434 Number 156
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"I'm glad that the people in DC are well paid.  After all, they take care of us, right?"

No, they are just more equal than the rest of us.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:20 | 4429279 Atlas_shrugging
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Well if we'd just raise the minimum wage all would be equal.  (yes I am being sarcastic)

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:21 | 4429282 seek
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Well past maximum, actually. The host is already dead, the vital signs are coming from a simulator hidden behind the patient.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:50 | 4429464 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yep. Now it's just about looting the body.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:25 | 4435842 Kobe Beef
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Probably a wedding ring and some fillings in there. And hey, we can sell the organs to the Chinese...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:20 | 4429289 NotApplicable
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While I'd like to believe that, I'm guessing we've still got a long ways to go before these parasites succumb.

How long were the Dark Ages again?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:33 | 4429350 Dick Buttkiss
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The host dies.

The parasite dies.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:03 | 4429567 NOTaREALmerican
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I think the parasites in the top 10% keep living.

Who is worse, the Federal workers or the top 10% who own 90% of the nation?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:12 | 4430389 Jadr
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A lot of federal workers are in the top 10% of wages....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 23:18 | 4430993 Dick Buttkiss
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I mean, by the way, that one or the other does in fact die, in which case either the host alone lives or both die.

And yes, I believe that the host will prevail and that the parasite — the state — will become extinct.

Beginning with the American state, which I firmly believe will not survive the decade intact, if at all.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:09 | 4429590 doctor10
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its about time the peasantry respected their masters  /s

 

Its amazing the states have allowed this to go on as long as it has. Presumably thats what "Homeland Security" is all about-institutionalizng DC's "rule"

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:58 | 4430063 Cattender
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the Fucking TSA people make me sick. i've worked a bunch of security jobs and i can tell you the job they are performing should be done by private secrity for MUCH MUCH LESS..

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:47 | 4430285 TORNasunder
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GoldSilverDoc said: "We have a saying in medicine.... when the parasitic burden on the host gets too high, the host either dies, or the parasites starve to death."

Indeed. The same applies to any system and fraud. All systems can handle some % of fraud, but when the fraud becomes to large and onerous the system collapses. Which is where imho we are at with the world financial system. I believe this is the primary reason why we'll have a financial meltdown. Unprecedented fraud on a global level at unimaginable levels.
The poster child for this fraud is the derivatives market.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:18 | 4436210 zanez
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RH bar is titled wrong. Should read "Average employee wages / salaries" not per capita.  See here:  http://www.socialsecurity.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2012

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:18 | 4429269 Ignatius
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I can't read this.  Hurts too much.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:24 | 4429301 Hulk
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If you think their salary hurts, you ought to see their actual number of hours worked per week. If you are thinking 40, you are thinking way too high...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:31 | 4429351 Frank N. Beans
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hell they even get paid when the government shuts down!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:38 | 4429385 Grande Tetons
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Good point, FnB...probably more outrageous than the fucking pay raise. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:20 | 4429270 Hippocratic Oaf
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Look at the spread in the Clinton years. Ironic, no?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:21 | 4429287 viahj
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hookers and blow were cheaper back then so there was a wealth suppression in DC during that time.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:23 | 4429291 Grande Tetons
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Ahhh...the good ole days when our leader was getting a hummer in the oral office. 

Maybe, Oprah can bring back the tradition. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4429306 youngman
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Its only going to get worse...we can never cut a government employees salary...never...but a politician makes donations if they give out a raise...so guess what happens...wage and salalry creep.....at some point it all breaks...when the rest of the world does not want out dollars anymore...when we just print to keep the sheeple from the streets...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:32 | 4429357 the not so migh...
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we can never cut a government employees salary...never

 

It will happen one day, the Chinese will demand it and it will be done

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:38 | 4429380 bart12
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The Chinese can't do shit with the US military.. They will be smart to write off the debt!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:43 | 4429425 the not so migh...
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the threat to dump t-bills might nullify the military and the crooks in us goverment power.  They allready beat our president in Syria without a shot, the trend is going to continue

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:58 | 4429519 Crisismode
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What threat to dump T-Bills?

If the Chinese ever started dumping T-Bills on the market,

the Fed would just vacuum them right up.

cntl-P

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:24 | 4429665 the not so migh...
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yes, but the fed does not have slave labour to produce our products

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:46 | 4430005 SilverRhino
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You're right.  They'll just print $$$ and enter contracts with all of the private for-profit prison systems in the US to provide labor. 

Bring those factories back home .... and install them in the prisons.

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:23 | 4429307 DaveyJones
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out damned spot, out I say

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:30 | 4429321 walküre
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Porsche needs to build mega sized vehicles for all the fat ass US federal workers. Yes, Latisha I'm looking at you and your fat keester.

How many federal employees and especially federal employees in DC are black? Fuck you if you don't like the question. I am going there!

We have long surpassed South Africa with our labor laws and post Apartheid Affirmative Action crap.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:34 | 4429366 Rafferty
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Put it this way, WHITES MAKE UP A LOT LESS THAN 50%.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:47 | 4429410 NOTaREALmerican
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Why are racists such morons?   It must be genetic.

OPM has released its annual report on federal workforce demographics, once again showing that Hispanics are the only minority group under-represented in federal employment in comparison with their share of the overall workforce, 8 percent vs. 13.6 percent. Women are also slightly under-represented, 43.6 to 46 percent. Following are highlights of the report.

The Federal workforce is 17.8 percent Black, 8.1 percent Hispanic, 5.6 percent Asian/Pacific Islander, 1.7 percent Native American, 0.8 percent non-Hispanic/Multi-racial, and 66.0 percent White. Minorities as a whole constituted 34.1 percent of the Federal workforce. Men comprised 56.1 percent of all Federal permanent employees and women 43.9 percent.

Now, what percentage of the patrotic leaches running scams on Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Energy, Big-Ed, Big-House, Big-Fin, Big-OldFart, Big-OldFartHealthcare, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState are white?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:41 | 4429988 saints51
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Nobody said they were racist. You're making shit up out of thin air. Please tell how far left you claim.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:04 | 4430097 Real Estate Geek
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Please don't feed the troll.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:13 | 4430135 saints51
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I usually don't. No way I was going to sit idle while he was trying to make it seem like the 2 posters above were racist. They made a comment which is the truth. There is nothing racist about their statements. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 06:21 | 4431576 acrabbe
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You guys really are idiots. He posted statistics that clearly show your heads are waaaay up your asses. And you call him a troll. YOU guys are the fucking trolls. Can you read? Or are you THAT blinded by hate? Pathetic...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:05 | 4429566 eucalyptus
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Depends on agency. I barely saw an blacks in Langley. They fill the support staff in other facilities.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:32 | 4435850 Kobe Beef
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Just don't ask about the Post Office or TSA.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4429327 Dollarmedes
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Very Obama-esque: appear to do something, when you're really doing nothing.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:43 | 4429424 TBT or not TBT
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Is ending rule of law in the USA forever "nothing"?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4429334 Dr. Engali
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Federal 'worker'...... Lol... Finding a federal worker is like finding a person who is almost pregnant.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:33 | 4429362 Kirk2NCC1701
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Fed's true Dual Role:  1.  Get entire world to use the fiat-Dollar (debt-obligations-out-of-thin air).  Then distribute said fiat Dollars unevenly, to allow for max wealth transfer from 99% to 1% and from 1% to 0.01%.

2. Play Currency Games or Wars, to squash ANY rival or threat, and to preserve the Big Game for its Beneficiaries.

Gee, the things they still don't teach you in Biz or CPA schools, but teach you at select schools, if Chosen!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:46 | 4429431 Pseudo Anonym
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kosher?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:34 | 4429364 FieldingMellish
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Miners posting an OKR today. Down, down, down.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:34 | 4429368 Smegley Wanxalot
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Mind you the "average" numbers are actually raised by the federal asshole bloodsuckers, so if you back them out you probably drop the average by about $3k per year, or so.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:35 | 4429375 NOTaREALmerican
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Nice,   but of course,  most of the "workers" in DC are consulting/management/contrator/lobbyist parasites which accounts for the disparity.

Ya see, the ObamaPhone bottom 20% loser is NOT EQUAL TO the top 10% winner, many of whom got rich looting Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Energy, Big-Ed, Big-House, Big-Fin, Big-OldFart, Big-OldFartHealthcare, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState.

Senior management screws the stockholders.
Middle management screws the customers.
Lower management screws the workers.
Unions screw management.

Which of the 4 lines (above) is part of the top 10% and which isn't?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:37 | 4429378 assistedliving
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""The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

no wonder...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:36 | 4429384 CouldBeWorse
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The Federal Government is the only place where Obama's plan to raise pay rates and maintain the same aggregate workforce numbers is possible.  Faced with a nearly 50% rise in wages most private sector employers would either be investing in automation and/or reducing head count to bring costs back in line with revenue.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4429387 Doode
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Does the average control for the skill level needed and skill concentration of federal workers? Pretty sure Federal employees are not a representative sample of all jobs out there - no retailers, no fast food, no construction, etc at the federal level. There are also no jobs that pay over whatever the prez is making so no CEO/ Wall St. level comp there either. I get it that they might be overpaid, but a simple average is very misleading when a rigourous analysis is needed.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:42 | 4429405 centerline
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It won't be pay that brings it all down.  It will be the pensions, healthcare, etc.  The promises.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:43 | 4429412 kaiserhoff
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Bull shit.

The overwhelming number of government drones are overpaid file clerks,

  or obscenely overpaid rent-a-cops.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:41 | 4429399 yogibear
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The pensions are really huge for many. Guess who pays for those?

They proclaim they deserve to make more than the private sector because their special.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:46 | 4429442 NOTaREALmerican
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Same people paying for the parasites living off of:  Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Energy, Big-Ed, Big-House, Big-Fin, Big-OldFart, Big-OldFartHealthcare, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState.

Life is about running scams on dumbasses.   Who's the dumbass here?  The Federal workers or the dumbasses bitching about them?

It's just like those bitching about the top 10% owning 90% of the nation.    There are winners and dumbasses.   That's what survival-of-the-fittests is about, finding the dumbasses and laughing at them.

Disclaimer:  happily living off my TBTF scam.   Go find your own scam if you don't like Merica so much,  love it or leave it hippy.  

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:09 | 4429866 FrankDrakman
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Let me rephrase this for you:

There's lot of thieves. No one is catching them, so they're making out like, well, bandits.

If you're not a bandit, and you're bitching about bandits, you're a dumbass.

The solution is to find your own way to steal from others, and then you too can be a bandit.

Self respect is for losers. Morality is for losers, Integrity is for losers.

Remind me not to cry if the bullets hit you first.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:42 | 4429402 KidHorn
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I know I'm going to get blasted for this, but this isn't really a fair comparison. Federal workers are much better educated than the typical US worker. It would be better to compare them to those with college degrees.

I'm not saying they're not worthless do nothing employees. Just saying the vast majoity are college grads.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:44 | 4429426 kaiserhoff
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It would be better to compare them to parking attendants, except that anyone with a real job has more responsability, no job security, and maybe five percent of the benefits.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:56 | 4429500 tip e. canoe
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Federal workers are much better educated than the typical US worker.

if this is true, then it also most likely that Federal worker drones also have a much higher student loan balance than the typical US worker drone.

if so, would it be safe to say that what the chart above is showing is an ongoing Federal bailout of higher education?

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:42 | 4430158 Real Estate Geek
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I'm sure you'll be thrilled to learn about this program, which--for all practical purposes--forgives up to $60k of a Federal employee's student loans.

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/student-loan-repayment/

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:15 | 4429890 InflammatoryResponse
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get my father in law to tell  you about the retards he came in contact with at HUD.

 

FEDERAL workers are much better at doing little to nothing useful.

 

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:48 | 4430014 SilverRhino
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Have you seen the average college grad lately?   Being a college grad means jack shit these days.   

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:48 | 4429451 Tough Mudder
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I'd like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your government, and I realised that government employees are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but your government employees do not. Instead they multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for them to survive is to spread to another area.

There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... A virus. Governments are a disease, a cancer on this planet, it is a plague, and we... Are the cure.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:51 | 4429482 NOTaREALmerican
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Life is about the smart-n-savvy peopel running scams on dumbasses?

Whose kids are going to go to the best schools and actually run this great-n-glorious "democracy" in the next 30 years?

The trash population in the bottom 70%?  Or the nobility in the top 10%?

Bonus question:  Which category to Federal Workers fall into?  

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:00 | 4429554 eucalyptus
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Bonus question answer: bottom 70%.

How do I know this? Because on campus recruiting at Ivy League or peer schools in top 25 is dominated by banks, consultancies, and silicon valley...not federal gov agencies.

No undergrad is turning down a Goldman or McKinsey offer for a regular gs-7/9 job at Treasury.

I'm not counting jobs in the federal gov where there's a large chance for networking but basic civil servant jobs.

CIA and NASA are the very few exceptions due to unique mission and opportunities that make up for the relative pay discrepancy compared to private sector.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:30 | 4430419 Jadr
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More Federal workers would be in the top 10% of wages (if including benefits) than the group of federal workers in the bottom 70%.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:03 | 4429562 Crisismode
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The 20% sandwich meat in the middle?

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:47 | 4429457 BullyBearish
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Buying loyalty, transfering wealth to their "peeps", enriching others because they can...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:53 | 4429498 Tough Mudder
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I'd like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your government, and I realised that government employees are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but your government employees do not. Instead they multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for them to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... A virus. Government employees are a disease, a cancer on this planet, they are a plague, and we... Are the cure.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 16:59 | 4429525 NOTaREALmerican
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Does that include the leaches in the manly socialist scams that "conservatives" seem to regularly turn a blind eye to, like:  Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-House, Big-Fin, Big-OldFart, Big-OldFartHealthcare, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState.

Or does that just apply to girly-man socialism?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:16 | 4429638 Tod E. Tosspot
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Big MIC? Is that Rosie O'Donnell?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:00 | 4429545 imbtween
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So, my single neighbor the USPS mailman, who lives alone earns $76k. I earn $100k but have 3 young children and a wife who stays home and raises them.
By the logic of this article, my neighbor's federal worker househole income is a lavish 76k, while my household's per capita income is a trifling 25k?

Sorry - this article is crap.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:05 | 4429550 qsteak
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When I was young we used to define a third world country as one where the general population thought the best job was as a government employee. Oh how far we have fallen!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:06 | 4429564 migra
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As a federal law enforcement agent I'm calling bullshit on your article.  My pay has been cut by 7% in the past year and I'm looking at a 25% this year. Ive had my cost of living increased one time in the past three years by 1%,  total. 

 

The federal government hires a ton of medical doctors,  engineers and other scientists.  You have pay them well, even though they are still being paid less than what they would make in the private sector.  If I was a detective for the local sheriffs department here in southern California I would be paid much better than what I get from the federal government. 

 

Your article is simple minded bullshit. The devil is always in the details and that is why I read zh because you guys like to go into the details but in this case you are no better than the local news. Weak sauce ZH.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:08 | 4429581 kaiserhoff
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And what is your salary?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:08 | 4429594 eucalyptus
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make-work example 1a. why don't you become a dick for the local sheriffs dept if they pay better?

I'm guessing becuase the benefits, training, or opportunities to rise are richer by staying with the feds. Which specific agency are you with? FBI? ATF? DEA?

would your job even exist without the massive expansion of FLEO's in the past 10 years?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:08 | 4429600 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  The federal government hires a ton of medical doctors,  engineers and other scientists.

Come-on, this is ZH.  Everybody knows (here) that 90% of Federal Employees are "those people".   And, worse, 90% of the Federal budget is given directly to "those people".

You aren't one of "those people", are you?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:52 | 4430030 SilverRhino
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Fuck off you little cum-guzzling parasite.  

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:08 | 4430103 saints51
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No sympathy from me. I hope they reduce all fed worker incomes by 100%.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:31 | 4430223 Dave Thomas
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And by your handle I'm guessing you work for the U.S. Border patrol. Why does my neighborhood look like downtown Juarez?

 

FUCK YOU. 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:23 | 4429662 naiverealist
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"Average Fed Wage" is a not the best measure, as if you were to see the demographics of the Pay Grade Scale, it is highly skewed to the higher Pay Grades, who would not see the pay raise.  Thus this is not a "fair" comparisonl.

A median wage may be better, or simply the actual count of how many minimum wage jobs would be impacted.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:28 | 4429689 Tyler Durden
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Median Federal wage: $74,714

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:23 | 4429663 LordAarioc
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EVEN THE Janitors make 100,000 in the DC Virginia area. Its Nuts.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:27 | 4429679 Byte Me
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Yeah.

But you have to feel sorry for the federal workers cuz they're working nearly 8000 hours per year at minimum graft.

Oh, wait...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:38 | 4429726 SirTaxedAlot
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FORWARD!

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:49 | 4429775 Fix It Again Timmy
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Add to this insult, the fact that they can't be fired for incompetence.  Indeed, they could kill their mother live on nationwide TV on Friday and be back on the job on Monday....

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 20:11 | 4430391 dark pools of soros
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no one gets fired unless they tweet someting un-PC

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:51 | 4429801 eucalyptus
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you guys are forgetting also the benefit of holding a clearance. At some agencies, even the janitor will be ts/sci w/ full scope polyl cleared. Clearances are a massive federal labor force protection/ labor market distortion that helps jack up gov leech (employee or contractor) wages.

So when cunts like the fed leo that commented on this thread cry about the opening post, that's another reason why they stay. because leaving the feds for the private sector that isn't gov aligned would mean losing their clearance and the ability to automaticallly command higher wages (not based on skills but based on a protective credential bestowed upon them by the gov).

 

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 17:58 | 4429829 1stepcloser
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From Civil Servants to Civil Masters

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:00 | 4429837 modest_proposal
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Apples and oranges. Median age, experience, and education levels are dramatically different between these two salary numbers.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/cbo-offers-its-two-cents-on-federal-pay/

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 18:04 | 4429854 FrankDrakman
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er.. US per capita income is income for everyone, working or not. So it includes babies, convicts, welfare moms, and retirees. No wonder the Fed employee looks so good!

How about a real comparison between people working in the non-gov sector (not military, police, education, government, firemen, etc.) and people who do work in gov? That might be truthful and accurate and interesting, instead of this bogus comparison, which makes as much sense as comparing average age of all people born since 1900, living or dead.

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:06 | 4430100 kk1532003
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6 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country are locak DC...yeah, I guess the poor .gov employee really is underpaid

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 19:25 | 4430190 Ungaro
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We US taxpayers are a generous lot...

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 21:11 | 4430547 deerhunter
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bought my house in NW chicago suburb in 1998 for 168 k   on zillow today worth 168 k.  I have been paying property taxes and insurance for 15 years as rent.  That doesnt include new roof. New pool liner etc. Mother in law bought a home in a DC suburb in 2000 for 198 k  today on zillow worth 480k.  The DC east Virginia area of the country is gangbusters with our tax dollars.  What will it take for us to quit paying 7k a year on a 168k house?  I don't know cause I still do.  Maybe we all just rent but don't landlords pay property taxes?  Taxation without representation started a new country once,  maybe that as a battle cry could start a new country yet again.  Just thinkin out loud which in today's world can get you in trouble,,,,,,,

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 23:27 | 4431023 64 dollar question
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Aren't we comparing apples and oranges? Wouldn't the per capita income of a family of two with one federal employee be $39,233?

Wed, 02/12/2014 - 23:30 | 4431028 Decimus Lunius ...
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I'm not saying it's the best solution in the long run, but a guillotine on the National Mall would be fucking awesome.  

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