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585,000 Without Power As "Catastrophic" Winter Storm Pax Pounds Northeast

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Winter Storm 'Pax' has already crippled much of the South, snarling traffic and dumping more snow than most can remember on places that are unarguably ill-prepared to cope. But, as The Weather Channel warns, up to 18 more inches of snow is forecast for the Northeast as Pax pushes up the East Coast. With no thaw expected in the South until at least the weekend (and freezing winds causing havoc), forecasters expect more power outages. Trouble has already started though further North with DC over 13 inches of snow and NYC having over 7 inches this morning alone. It's not everyday that snow is falling in Atlanta and Boston at the same time! 585,000 households are without power in 7 states this morning. Flight cancellations have begun from DC to NYC building on the 4,000 that were cancelled yesterday.


Snowing from Atlanta to Boston


Near Blizzard conditions in Manhattan/NYC:


Chaos on the roads...


Total Freeway gridlock...


And now it is heading North... with up to 18 inches of snow forecast for the NorthEast


In the last few hours, NYC alone has received 7 inches of snow and over 13 inches of snow in DC...


Though further west is getting more...


New York City's Central Park has record 5 inches of snow in the last 2 hours...

As a reminder, here is how described Pax yesterday:

"Sometimes we want to tell them, 'Hey, listen, this warning is different. This is really extremely dangerous, and it doesn't happen very often,'" Jacks said.


The service's memo early Wednesday called the storm "an event of historical proportions."


It continues: "Catastrophic ... crippling ... paralyzing ... choose your adjective."

And power outages in the south are likely to surge...

We suspect the image of weathermen with hands on their faces will be more prevalent today...


As this is coming...


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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 10:59 | 4432086 vxpatel
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The sky is falling! I mean it's snowing.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4432107 qqqqtrader
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Yeh, and where I'm at now in Montana, this is called winter.

It happens every year, or so I'm told.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:08 | 4432127 Big Corked Boots
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I heard you have a nice Spring there. Comes on Tuesday, right?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:13 | 4432153 Occident Mortal
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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:17 | 4432163 jbvtme
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what news is behind the explosion in the futures?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:20 | 4432187 Oh regional Indian
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Pay attention to the names...

This is what PAX AMERICANA feels like...


And why are those people on the roads at all?

What about chains? I see no chains on those cars?

Whassup? I am an Upstate NY snow veteran.

Gotsta stay sensible and calm is all.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:29 | 4432230 Stackers
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2 days before the day after tomorrow


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4432261 john39
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this global warming shit is getting out of hand.  

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:49 | 4432315 Four chan
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Michigan is unimpressed.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:30 | 4432796 NotApplicable
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Why would someone make that with such a small set of blades?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:01 | 4432354 Canadian Dirtlump
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As is Alberta. I sort of feel for them in a way though. Noobs. A pail of freeze dried food meals, a water bob to use your bathtub as drinking / cooking water, a small generator, an infrared heater, makes a power outage feels like urban camping instead of the end of days.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:12 | 4432392 pods
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Or you could skip the whole burning of gas to make electricity to make heat and just use LP for heat?

That and a Big Berkey and you are good to go.

Not that we are noobs, it is that the weather is different down here.

Or we can go your route and have someone from Siberia thumb their nose at you, and so on and so forth.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:23 | 4432458 CrazyCooter
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I actually live in Alaska and we had a very unusually warm string of weeks in Jan/Feb. Everything melted off. This was when the south was getting previous cold systems. My Dad (lives in the south) would call and I would tell him, "Oh yeah, we love global warming". My best line so far though was when he was complaining about the snow and ice, I said "Yeah, I am real sorry about that. I was out drinking the other night and left the gate open when I came home. The cold weather got out. I will put out some food and I am sure it will come back when it gets hungry."



Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:34 | 4432508 Canadian Dirtlump
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I have a big berkey and if I see the storm coming it is smarter to fill my bathtub up and have 100 gallons in a plastic bladder with a pump in the event you lose water than it is to have to fill a big berkey with snow over and over. The berkey is more for emergency use in non below freezing temps, not for use in my house to ger by for a few days.


People there are obviously noobs to the snow and driving in it. Just like I'd be a noob to a hurricane. No offense, but the thought of hundreds of abandoned cars here is unthinkable Things are different down there and they are different up here. In residential areas the standard for home heating is natual gas. If I was more detached ( which will be the plan ) I'll just have a wood pellet stove.


Either way I hope everyone gets through OK, but sadly for every guy like you or I who plans for this shit, there are 90 who don't.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:44 | 4432570 Angus McHugepenis
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Dirtlump - I recently paid a visit to my local propane wholesaler here in AB. Got quite the shock when I found out the price had gone up a whopping 25% since the end of January.

The reason?... Seems the USA sold off much of their reserves to Japan prior to all this bad weather happening down there. Apparently all the "experts" were predicting a mild winter for the USA before all this shit happened. So now they have no propane reserves with houses literally being unheated for many weeks. The gov minions were told to buy as much as they could from Canada at any price and "just get it here" without any of the usual cross border paperwork, etc.

This is what my wholesaler told me. I haven't bothered looking into it further.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:17 | 4432721 Canadian Dirtlump
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Stacks up about right. I'm in Calgary, work in Red Deer. I work for a pipeline outfit and we use propane for tiger torches and indeed it has gone ballistic. I can't get over the diesel fuel prices as well. Either way this winter has been one for the books here already, and obviously all over the place too.


Meanwhile some pro global warming rump ranger waxes poetic that this is absolutely in line with their projection.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4432561 Urban Redneck
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About 20 years ago I did an 8 week trek (January & February) through Waterton Lakes, a generator and heater would been damn luxurious, but I would have needed much bigger snow shoes and a stronger back. Right now I just feel embarrassed by iIncompetent generation.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:23 | 4432743 Canadian Dirtlump
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Certainly the gen set and heater is for the house not the outdoors. I grew up in Lethbridge so by good fortune am no stranger to Waterton. As a scout we hiked through there with our stand by small assortment of freeze dried fare. One trip the camp was evacuated because the leader found what he though was bear shit. Turns out is was just a couple pairs of wet, frozen rolled up lumberjack socks AHAHAHAHAHA! I recall as a young lad petting a deer there that was being fed by some people. He kicked me so hard I get short of breath thinking about it 30 years later.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:25 | 4433067 Panafrican Funk...
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Call me crazy, but I would guess that artificially fucking with clouds in order to produce precipitation might have unintended consequences, like dumping shit-tons of snow further east.

Thanks, California!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:15 | 4433019 TheFourthStooge-ing
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2 days before the day after tomorrow

"Tom, we're reporting that the death toll is already over six hundred billion people"

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:59 | 4432649 InflammatoryResponse
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nobody down there would have snow chains, and aren't they banned in most states anyway?


I remember my grandparents in PA having studded tires for winter, but they couldn't have them on all the time no snow they had to remove them.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:44 | 4432858 Occams_Chainsaw
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Isn't the Pax the disease that made the Reevers on Firefly?  That's some bad stuff.....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:22 | 4432188 Headbanger
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Obama resigned??

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:23 | 4432206 GetZeeGold
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He cares about us......he really really cares!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4432211 derek_vineyard
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when is the globe going to warm up?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:15 | 4432159 jbvtme
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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:18 | 4432175 pods
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~4 inches of snow, inch of sleet, then 1/4 inch of ice at the Casa de pods.  Power lost for about 6 hours. Still toasty by the fireplace.

As for everyone minimizing these storms, I grew up in upstate NY and know about snow. Gimme 2 feet of snow over a half inch of ice anyday.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:29 | 4432228 Flakmeister
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I'll see you and raise you this

Imagine it being 25F, the ground frozen and it raining for 4 days....

The photo showing 2 inches of ice on a twig says it all....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4432278 pods
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Yikes. I remember seeing pics of the power transmission towers crumbling in one Ontario storm.

Even with this quarter inch we got, trees are sagging and small branches are breaking.  A bit of dry air got into this one and saved us though. They said up to a half inch here, and 3/4 in SC. That would be lights out for days.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:14 | 4432398 Talleyrand
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Above-ground power lines are fragile and ugly. Why is it that they are so prevalent in the "busy northeast corridor" - center of financial and political power in the good ol' USA? Must be a Yankee thing.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:50 | 4432447 Flakmeister
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Old infrastructure done on the cheap...

Upgrading it would be "socialist central planning"....

Edit: And very expensive given the level of development, right of ways etc...

It all has to do with application of a discount rate that in essence assumes the world is infinite...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:55 | 4432624 Meat Hammer
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Cute.  I think you have it backward, though.

Socialist central planning brings old infrastructure done on the cheap.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:06 | 4432656 Flakmeister
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Nope... Would you like to contact Con-Ed for further elucidation?

To zeroth order, any infrastructure that takes more than the time allowed to fully realize depreciation to pay for itself is a no go...

Capitalism 101...

We are still hung up on the short game, when the long game is the one really matters (unless you are trying to loot things as fast as possible with no regard to the future)...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:48 | 4432879 SoNH80
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The reason most power lines are above ground here in the North is because the ground freezes, hard, every year.  Frozen ground shifts, thaws at times, water comes into the cable vaults, ice builds up, animals make their homes there, cables get damaged over time.  A number of subdivisions in my area (outer fringes of metro Boston, quasi-suburban, quasi-rural) had below-ground cables installed in the 1970s and 80s as a trendy "upscale" idea, maintenance is labor-intensive, expensive.  One subdivision's replacement of underground cable is costing $3 million. Also, when something goes wrong in an above-ground cable, you can see it right away, underground, not so much, especially when you have to dig through feet of snow, ice, and frozen earth to just diagnose a fault.

The one thing that we need more of is trimming of tree limbs around the wires, but that's still cheaper and quicker than underground cable maintenance.  Underground cables make good sense in the NYC's and Philly's downtown, where there are actual tunnels under the streets with full manhole access.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:59 | 4432944 Flakmeister
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Yes, there are those issues as well...

Not to mention that in places north of NYC you would be doing the equivalent of tunneling through bedrock...

That being said, there are some places where underground tranmission would probabaly work but it is not "profit-effective" in the short term...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:16 | 4433038 SoNH80
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In the utility world, the customer pays, always.  I have been told estimates by qualified engineers that burying all the lines in the Northeastern U.S. would cost around a Trillion, with a "T", dollars.  Which customers would pay.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:49 | 4434164 StychoKiller
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Yet here I am in SW Minnesota, using buried power/phone/internet cables like a sucker!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:54 | 4433160 akak
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Above-ground power lines are fragile and ugly. Why is it that they are so prevalent in the "busy northeast corridor" - center of financial and political power in the good ol' USA? Must be a Yankee thing.

Talleyrand, you obviously live in a tropical or semi-tropical climate.  If you did not, you would realize that the ground is frozen for a good chunk of the year in the northern USA (here in southcentral Alaska, for fully half of the year), and to try to localize, much less repair, broken underground electrical lines in the winter is not only exceedingly difficult but also incredibly time- and labor-intensive, as frozen soil is far harder than just ice (which would be bad enough by itself) --- it is essentially concrete.  In fact, in this part of the world, underground electrical lines are expressly forbidden, as the risk (inevitability) of large earthquakes would make the repair of such an underground electrical line network literally a multi-year if not a multi-decade task.

That still leaves the problem of all our underground natural gas lines and water mains that will be broken in the next large earthquake ...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:33 | 4435361 Talleyrand
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Obviously? Not exactly. Talleyrand lives on a boat that sails splish-splash over the deep blue sea - at times into so called temperate climes.

Enjoy your winter and your utility poles!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:17 | 4432719 Clever Name
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19" here in the northeatern DC burbs. Currently drizzle/sleet and supposed to get another 2-3" of snow as it gets colder again tonight then a freeze up. Should be a total mess tonight/tomorrow.

We have below ground power lines and never lose power, thankfully. Also have a pellet stove which honestly I hate even though it will heat the whole house (grew up with a wood stove), because if we did lose power we'd be SOL.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:29 | 4433088 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This is why February is the longest month of the year. It may have only 28 days, but it's six weeks long.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 16:07 | 4433485 Angus McHugepenis
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Stooge: February actually starts in November and ends in May for those of us in northern climes.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:47 | 4432306 swmnguy
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As a Minnesotan, I second your sentiments most heartily.  Snow you can dig out of.  Ice, you're just hose-ola.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4432143 rehypothecator
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It's g-g-g-gl-global w-w-w-warming!  

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:17 | 4432165 Flakmeister
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You should lay off the stupid sauce, it's gotten to the point where it is affecting you at your day job...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:29 | 4432216 GetZeeGold
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It's OK to insult the non-cult members.


It's Al Gore rule #5.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:38 | 4432253 Flakmeister
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They way I figure it, I am still running current account insult deficit here...

Besides, it's a lame stupid comment that ain't even funny..

And as you can see here, Eastern NA was one of the few places a little below average for January

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4432281 CvlDobd
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No snow out west, that's normal.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:10 | 4432379 Herd Redirectio...
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Oh Flak, back on the ad hominems again?   Haven't we been through this?  Like 100 times?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:42 | 4432565 Flakmeister
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Oh, the made up bull shit by ideologically driven denialati  that has more in common with a defense of the Book of Genesis than anything based on empirical reality...

Haven't we gone through this 100 times already?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:35 | 4432807 Yes We Can. But...
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The Book of Warming.

You'll never lay your hand on a copy.

But it is real, and Warmer Cultists hold it dear.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:51 | 4432888 Flakmeister
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Wow, anything fact based in your repetoire?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:27 | 4432410 Creepy Lurker
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Read your comment then looked out my window at the 18 inches of snow sitting on Colorado. Yep, still there.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:17 | 4432414 A Nanny Moose
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it's a lame stupid comment that ain't even funny..

Perhaps you need to buy a sense of humor Flak

Eastern NA was one of the few places a little below average for January

A) So one month of data = change?

B) Relative to what? Using what data collection methods?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:25 | 4432471 forwardho
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Do not waste your time.

Those who choose to "believe" do so with no facts.

Its faith, and therefore not rational.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:54 | 4432606 Flakmeister
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What facts would you like to provide? I don't see anything in the above but projection of an opinion pulled out of your ass...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:28 | 4432537 Flakmeister
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Spending 5 seconds to look at the figure would reveal that it uses the 1951-1980 average as the baseline and that he uses over 4000 weather stations across the globe...

Are you that fucking lazy?

Admittedly TempLS is not an "official" data set, the blogger, an Aussie scientist, (not climatologist) who does his own analysis and gets out a global data report 1 week before the official sites do... His numbers track all the major  temperature records very well...

He is also the guy that showed that taking just 60 rural weather stations can replicate the global temperature record very nicely. Here is his latest version:

This effectively puts the UHI effect claims to sleep...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 16:19 | 4433543 Flakmeister
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Well I'm back from shovelling 11" of snow exacerbated by avalanches of the a steeply pitched slate roof that more than triples the amount to be shoveled...

I still don't see a single fact based post disputing my claims.... Just a bunch of projected bull shit...

Why am I not surprised....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:50 | 4432322 IronShield
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Oh yeah, that's right, it's climate change now.  Brilliant idiots and their minions. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 17:11 | 4433791 Flakmeister
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The epic logic fails continue apace...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:08 | 4432116 jbvtme
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"pax"...brought to you by your friendly geo engineer.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:10 | 4432133 duo
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Please, Tyler, stop using the TWC/NBC storm "names".

In the future this will be remembered as the "big snowstorm of February 2014", not some stupid name a corporation gave it.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:17 | 4432164 Blythes Master
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Right on Duo! TWC and their thuggish tactics trying to bludgeon Direct TV into picking up their schtick for more money. The Weather Commies can shove it right up their asses.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:23 | 4432204 oleander garch
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They made a desert and called it peace.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 15:23 | 4433341 RafterManFMJ
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They made a dessert and called it parfait.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:02 | 4432361 oleander garch
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They made a desert and called it pax.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:14 | 4432155 Pseudo Anonym
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i hope this terrible snowing does not spoil a kosher valentine's in n.y.  i for one will enjoy my kosher valentine's:

my favorite is herb alpert:

... and Hal David, and sung by fellow tribe member Alpert.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:16 | 4432166 dtwn
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It's the Devil's Dandruff.  That Yankee Cocaine.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:20 | 4432186 Bokkenrijder
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Hurricanes, tropical storms, ice, rain, snow! When oh when will they ever learn in the US to pay a few bucks more and put all those cables underground?!?!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:07 | 4432672 ZombieHuntclub
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I'm long on salt and snow shovels

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:12 | 4432695 Flakmeister
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Is that paper salt or physical salt?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:00 | 4432087 Gunga
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 I made it in to work but no one else did. So I have a chance to comment on ZH.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4432090 ShrNfr
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The snowfall in the Boston area depends heavily on how far off the coast the storm goes. If it tracks a bit more eastwards, the Boston area could easily get over a foot instead of the half foot that the are calling for. Oh well, it's winter. You get snow in winter. Deal with it.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:01 | 4432092 Sudden Debt
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The good part about snow is that you don't need to wash your car because nobody would see how clean it is.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:07 | 4432122 MsCreant
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About the contents of that cookie jar...

errm, yeah...


We are going to need to invest that for you, for the sake of your country, you know, to grow the economy.

It's for the kids!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4432141 Sudden Debt
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who's kids?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 15:03 | 4433245 Kobe Beef
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Obama's sons.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:23 | 4432190 ShrNfr
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The bad part about snow is that they add sulphuric acid to the sand and salt that they put down in the Boston area. After a bunch of winters, you do not have any fenders or floorboards.


You save your toilet paper in cookie jars?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:30 | 4432220 Sudden Debt
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It's not because of the sulphuric acid. It's because of the American steel and craftmanship.

You should have bought a german car... those don't melt in the snow...


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:38 | 4432269 quasimodo
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It's called a simple rinse after driving thru that stuff. My '01 Yukon has not one spec of rust on her at 147,000 miles. gets rinsed off every time I get home if driving thru that shit. Washing under the fender wells a must as well.

Once a week is not enough if you live with salted roads.

It has very little to do with the steel. And my replacement parts are typically much cheaper than say an Audi or Beemer.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:29 | 4432494 Uncle Remus
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."And my replacement parts are typically much cheaper than say an Audi or Beemer."

I assume you meant "less expensive", otherwise it comes across as agreeing with SD.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:25 | 4432758 cbxer55
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Of the three vehicles I own (all paid for), my 98 Ford Ranger has seen the worst winter here in Oklahoma can throw at a vehicle. And still it survives, fenders and floorboards intact. And I do not bother to rinse it off at all until winter is completely over. It's sitting in the garage now with salt and sand all splattered up the sides of the fenders, been that way since sometime in December. I'll probably wash it this weekend since it appears we have more than a week of 60+ weather headed this way, with no precipitation period.

My 2004 Ford Lightning hibernates during the winter, as does ny 2006 Suzuki M109R.

At the onset of winter, I load the bed of the Ranger with almost 500 pounds of water in sealed containers. Helps maintain traction, since pickemuptrucks lack weight on the rear wheels. At the end of February, if the weather looks like winter is gone, out comes the water for the remainder of the year. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:01 | 4432093 LawsofPhysics
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The best part will be when the sun comes out and that 14 inches of snow becomes 4 inches of rain, in an instant.

Got popcorn?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:08 | 4432114 superflex
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Most people agree that 10" of snow = 1" of rain.

Therefore, 14" of snow = 1.4" of rain.

Roll the motherfucking guillotines

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4432146 LawsofPhysics
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Unless it was sleet and freezing rain to begin with.  North Georgia is not Utah my friend (where they have that light fluffy goodness)  Just wait and watch, should be very entertaining.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:22 | 4432195 pods
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Yep, and those fast growing Southern pines do not like ice buildup.  I remember 2002 here in NC and you could watch them just explode about 15 feet up the main trunk.  Sounded like gunshots.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:32 | 4432235 ncdirtdigger
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It ruins a perfectly good 2x4

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:35 | 4432830 Angus McHugepenis
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Pods: I used to be in the lumber biz. We used to buy southern yellow pine plywood that was rated for roofiing. That shit grows like a weed and does some simply amazing contortions when it gets wet.

How do you know when your roof was done with syp plywood? When you wake up one morning after a rainfall and there's 10,000 nails on your lawn and your roof looks like a bag of potato chips.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4432246 superflex
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Nobody got 14" of freezing rain and sleet accumulation.

Last Wednesday, Cincinnati got 2.5" of sleet and freezing rain.  We're still alive and nobody made a big deal out of it.

I guess when the media elites are affected by weather, the national media coverage and doom and gloom forecasts explode.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4432297 Flakmeister
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That is not what he said...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:13 | 4432390 LawsofPhysics
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Looking at 10 inches of the stuff in North Carolina right now dipshit.  Must be my "lying eyes".  Yes, my eneighbors and I are prepared, those EBT folks in the city, not so much...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:03 | 4432095 Handful of Dust
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I burnt my toast this moring.

See, everybody has their own problems.

"All problems are local," my realtor tells me.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:08 | 4432130 Sudden Debt
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isn't it oatmeal day?


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4432147 greatbeard
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>> I burnt my toast this moring.

You think that's bad?  My dog ate my grits.



Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4432207 RSloane
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My pit bulls love cheese-flavored instant grits. Much doggy farting ensues.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:53 | 4432327 pods
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My pup has got to have some pitbull in him then. Cause he can clear a room.  


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:32 | 4432795 cbxer55
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LOL   You people are hilarious. The only thing worse than people farts is dog farts. Why, oh why, do dog farts smell so rank?/ Phew! 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:01 | 4432098 Sudden Debt
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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:05 | 4432103 Tsar Pointless
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Just another light snowfall in Pittsburgh. Less than an inch forecast.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:19 | 4432183 MeMongo
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Yup! Sitting just north of Pittsburgh, I couldn't be happier! Been looking at this damn snow for months now. Kind of funny watching people duke it out in Atlanta though. All over some bread and milk.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:03 | 4432104 Spastica Rex
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End of the world.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:19 | 4432170 Flakmeister
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Anyone know how heavy it is snowing in Montauk?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:23 | 4432205 Spastica Rex
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No, Johnny, how heavy is it snowing in Montauk?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4432300 Spastica Rex
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I see now. Thanks.

As a life-long Pacific NorthWesterner, nothing real exists for me east of the Rockies or south of San Francisco.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:55 | 4432338 Flakmeister
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I hear you...

Spent 9 years in the Pac NW...  I honeymooned at Cape Scott (look that one up), seeing Orca's from the beach was awesome..

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:04 | 4432366 Spastica Rex
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I honeymooned at Cape Scott

Now that is weird.

So did I.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:54 | 4432605 Ignatius
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At the same time?

Now that would be really  weird.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

P.S.  Pac NW native also  :)

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:58 | 4432630 Flakmeister
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I doubt it....

We had the main 1.5 mile beach to ourselves, a 15 mile hike with gear through the rainforest tends to keep people away...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:06 | 4432667 Spastica Rex
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We spent a week on Vancouver Island in 1993. My wife lived in Port Angeles at the time. We had great weather, which is odd for Cape Scott, so the hike and the one night we spent there was very pleasant. Woke up with an elk herd bugling around our tent. We spent an interesting night at a logging campground mid-island. There were two other couples there who looked shocked as we drove in. Later that evening, they told us that they had been coming to that campground for 20 years, and had never seen anyone else. They had Scottish accents, but were BC natives from the Sunshine Coast.

Great trip.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:20 | 4432738 Flakmeister
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Yep, getting over 12 feet of rain a year (working out to ~ 0.4 inch a day) doesn't leave many openings for sunshine...

The Island is awesome, roughly the size of Ireland with maybe 400.000 people...

Did you make it to Tofino? i.e. Pacific Rim National Park? 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:28 | 4432778 Spastica Rex
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Not on that trip, although many years later we went and watched the gray whales from near Ucluelet. I love Vancouver Island. Someday, I want to go to the Queen Charlotte Islands. That would be a good place to die. The bald eagles could pick at my entrails.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:45 | 4432864 Flakmeister
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By all means, head to the Charlottes. Spent 10 days there back in Sept. '94, words are not able to convey what I experienced...

Rented a truck (the only one to be had on the Island!) and camped from Rennell Sound to Tlell to Cape Fife and Tow Hill...

Ever watch Bald Eagles catch salmon or see Sand Hill Cranes up close?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:57 | 4432928 Spastica Rex
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I spend all my time inland now, as much as I can in the Wallowa Montains, Chief Joseph's summer grounds. We watch bald eagles (and ospreys) catch kokanee - landlocked salmon. We don't have sandhill cranes, but we do have blue herons. My wandering is confined to the high Wallowas and the desert scrub of the Columbia Basin, and I'll likely die in the big sagebrush. It smells really nice. My wife pines for the Pacific Ocean.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:06 | 4432972 Flakmeister
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Sounds nice, never made to that part of the world but if it is anything like the Cascades, I envy you.. 

Nothing like living next to the Fox River in Illinois for a few years to make appreciate the  Northwest... 

Where I live now is very nice but too many people, and I mean way too many people....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 14:16 | 4433027 Spastica Rex
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Wallowa Lake (Oregon)

Rattlesnake Mountain (where I live in Warshington)

Thanks for the conversation - you've made my day.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4432293 eclectic syncretist
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Winter olympics in Atlanta?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:05 | 4432367 Flakmeister
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It's colder there than in Sochi, it even has more snow...

50 F

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:53 | 4432182 Ignatius
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I thought I was visiting ZH, but somehow stumbled into the Weather Channel.

And stop with the fucking auto-start fucking videos, already.

"Or what?"  Well maybe I'll just come down there with a couple of my boys, 'or what?'.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4432109 fonzannoon
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This one is nasty. I have over a foot of snow already and it's not turning to rain as they said it would. This could be a bad storm. I am near the coast so if my house gets any damage or flooding you guys west of me need to let me know where to send the bill for the repairs.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:25 | 4432201 Dr. Engali
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1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington D.C. 20500 Ask them to throw in an Obamaphone while you're at it.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:28 | 4432225 krispkritter
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With any luck DC will shut down from the storm and some highly trained Gov't worker will forget how to find the Start button again...we should be so lucky.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:06 | 4432110 Global Hunter
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On the bright side its another opportunity for your president to issue another executive order

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:39 | 4432111 Whoa Dammit
Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:08 | 4432120 thismarketisrigged
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fuck, the jobs numbers r going to be so bad, fuck the weather, if only the weather fucking was not so bad, we would have such awesome data.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4432138 ebworthen
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Yeah, and just wait until Summer when heat shows up and makes people suffer sweating.

You can't work and sweat anymore than you can work or shop in cold.

You can only sweat when working out in Nike and Lululemon.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:29 | 4432217 Oh regional Indian
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Brilliant EBW....the irony is heavy in the force today....


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:07 | 4432123 ebworthen
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Can't we control this Weather stuff with some coordinated broadcasts, or some CONgressional legislation?

Has anyone consulted Janet Yellen about this?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:18 | 4432128 Dr. Engali
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Off topic:


Tyler I want to buy a Zero Hedge coffee mug, but instead of 'Gold bitches' I want it to read 'Gold Bitchez!'. With this weather I think 'Blame the Cold Bitchez!' would be pretty good too.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:10 | 4432129 Smiley
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Its called WINTER; common symptoms may include, cold, and snow.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:10 | 4432132 Blano
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Yo ZH knock off the Weather Channel drama queen storm naming promoting already.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:09 | 4432140 buzzsaw99
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prez o will spread sugar and sandy on it

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:10 | 4432142 q99x2
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I'm all for global warming and the coast of sunny California.

Headed back home to the weather of civilized human beings.

Bye bye NY. Land of the frozen Tundra.

Hello Venice CA.

That is of course dependent if the gosh darn plane gets cleared to take off.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4432145 mijev
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I have really bad diarrhea..... if anyone cares.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:18 | 4432167 Johnny Cocknballs
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I don't give a shit.



Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:48 | 4432309 Flakmeister
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Intestinal or verbal?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:14 | 4432148 Ness.
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Shhh... the markets are almost green.  We wouldn't want to disturb them with all of this wintery disaster talk.


Lullabye and goodnight...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:17 | 4432160 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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585,000 households are without power in 7 states.

Let us do some raw numbers

Census number of total population is


Let's average that out per state rounding decimal places up 1 for all calculations except percentage

316,128,839 / 50 = 6,322,577 people per state

So for 7 states that is

6,322,577 * 7 = 44,258,039 people

585,000 people are without power across 7 states so the percentage of people across those 7 states averaged out is the following

So the percentage of people without power in each state averaged out is the following

(585,000 / 44,258,039)*100 = 1.32%

So the average amount of people without power in those 7 states amounts to 1.32% of the total state population.

That is hardly catastrophic for a storm of this size regardless of the region.

98.98% on average still have power in each of those 7 states.

If anything the percentage per state of people without power should probably be lower since the population densities are higher on coasts than inland.

But everyone here should be aware how numbers are cooked by this point.....


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:21 | 4432181 Firing Pin
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...writes the guy with power. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4432192 Flakmeister
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Just like the clowns that try to make AGW disappear you start off from a faulty premise...

For your analysis to be consistent you need to start off with the number of households in the Census...

There some other details that we could quibble about, but this was an excellent example of how deniers try to play games with numbers and why it doesn't stand up to closer scrutiny....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4432264 ncdirtdigger
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What's the matter? Won't anyone over at the HuffNPuff pay you any attention? It's hard to stand out when you all sign the same song, and do it off key.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 11:44 | 4432288 Flakmeister
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Why don't you politely go off into a corner and quietly fist yourself...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:25 | 4432472 Urban Redneck
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Without legitimate diversity of opinion and expression of conflicting viewpoints (and also people intentionally or sarcastically playing devil's advocate occasionally) it's harder to tell when someone has loaded the punch bowl with Kool-Aid.

Besides having witnessed a fair amount of the post-natal abortion worthy drivel and puss that oozes from HuffNPuff, you should count your blessings.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:10 | 4432319 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Fair enough. Unlike you I am not purposely intellectually dishonest and can admit when I make a mistake. A sign of intelligence is being able to admit you are incorrect something you certainly lack in...

So with that in mind let's recalculate.

Census number of total households is


Let's average that out per state rounding decimal places up 1 for all calculations except percentage

115,226,802 / 50 = 2,304,537 households per state

So for 7 states that is

2,304,537 * 7 =  16,131,759 households

585,000 households are without power across 7 states so the percentage of people across those 7 states averaged out is the following

(585,000/16,131,759) * 100 = 3.63%

Average persons per house hold is 2.61 according to the census so people without per 7 states is the following averaged out.

The average amount of people without power will be about the same give or take a -/+ .001. Doesn't matter since I rounded up for the percentage.

I don't know what 7 states they are sourcing so there is no way to really dial in the numbers anymore than this for the moment. Any my original point stands that it will probably be lower since the population densities are higher near the coasts. 3% or even 4% is still not catastrophic by any stretch.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:18 | 4432384 forwardho
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Stone him, Beat him, Drive a stake through his earth hating heart.

* You have elevated/lowered a foolish scam to the level of a religion.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:28 | 4432476 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The best part Flaky assumed I was against global warming. Did I even once mention it. Nooooooo. I was trying to make the point that the real effect is obfiscated by selectively publishing certain numbers without context to draw biased conclusions. I at least was trying to put it in context with some sort measuring posts to measure against.

But obviously Flaky is a global warming proponent and the fight between both sides tends to be propaganda sword crossing cockfight so with that in mind let's revisit the 25 ways to suppress truth.

So how did Flaky respond there.

2. Become incredulous and indignant.  Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus  on side issues which can be used show the topic  as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the  'How dare you!' gambit.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's   argument which you can easily knock down to make  yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges.  Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

In fairness the strawman part was the legitimate point over households vs people but it was the way he went about it trying to debunk the whole premise on that alone without rejigging the numbers himself to back it up that makes it a strawman argument

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet  and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other  attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

Flaky is infamous for this one.

While we are on global warming proponents one of the ways greenpeace uses disinformation

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses.  If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

They totally erased the existence of founding members of greenpeace on their website over time just like Stalin used to do in Soviet Union.

Why because the those members over time became skeptical of global warming so Greenpeace just erased them from the record...

Read the article they have the unrefutable proof of it.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4432554 forwardho
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Faith does not equal proof.

If a human is involved assume the inverse.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 12:44 | 4432572 dexter_morgan
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Typical Flakey. He's famous for bringing his own agenda to whatever someone else comments on. Almost sounds smart too, with references to obscure shit here and there till you actually think clearly about it.

God bless him for challenging the ZH echo chamber once in a while though.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 13:48 | 4432877 Flakmeister
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Yeah, having a world view based on defensible and verifiable facts is truly alien here...

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