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Martin Armstrong Exclaims "The Entire Social Contract Is Collapsing"

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics,

The German high court has ruled that children MUST take care of their parents even if they have not spoken to them in 27 years.

The entire social contract is collapsing.

The historical norm of children taking care of their parents was displaced with the New Deal where government stepped in to provide the safety-net.

Now the high court has ruled that it is the child’s responsibility. So what are all these taxes for?

German politicians earn more than 4 times the average politician. Government costs money – it is not an entitlement to extract taxes from the people.


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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:38 | 4434120 kaiserhoff
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No consent of the governed.  No free press.

What would you expect.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:45 | 4434138 Pee Wee
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Record bonuses/rewarding failure is the only expectation.  Ask anyone in finance.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:48 | 4434173 Skateboarder
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It had always been that children take care of their parents in old age. Only in the last hundred and fifty years did that start to change.

Another rung on the loony ladder - being indirectly forced back into the family unit. Hopefully the kids can pick up a thing or two from grandpa and grandma being around more often.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:02 | 4434220 Occident Mortal
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Where I come from, people take care of themselves.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:18 | 4434267 zaphod
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I actually agree that children should take care of their parents. I keep telling mine to come more often than they do. Multi-generational families work well, grandparents help their children raise the young ones while parents can focus on work. It's still done in a lot of places in the world and keeps people close. 

Now the state legistlating with a gun that you have to, even if your parents were horrible to you, is a completely different matter, and represents how the EU is an abomination.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:24 | 4434282 lakecity55
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What assholio would not take care of mom or pop?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:28 | 4434293 Whalley World
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then you change their dirty diapers mate.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:06 | 4434444 lakecity55
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It is sure not easy. Dad had Alzheimer's and took a pistol once after Mom. We also had to change his clothes until we got him into assisted care, but then you have to still help out, but assisted care gives you some breathing room.

It's called "life."

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:12 | 4434470 Supernova Born
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"We are spending our childrens' inheritance! (while they are taxed for our healthcare)"

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:22 | 4434504 fightthepower
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If you were abused by your parents you don't owe it to them to care for them in their old age. You actually owe it to them to neglect them, let them sit in their own shit and starve...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:58 | 4434619 ImReady
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+100 I left home at 17 and never looked back. Broke the chain of alcohol, abuse, and gambling. My children are better off not knowing any of the deadbeats. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:28 | 4434733 Wahooo
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Kudos. You've got to know yourself.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:24 | 4434995 derek_vineyard
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i thought O and Michelle were going to take care of me

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:00 | 4435257 flacon
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"Our parents" were irresponsible as a generation because everything was FREE and easy back then (M*A*S*H* & "I DREAM OF JEANNIE" Scooby Doo), so now their "children" (who are now probably raising young adults) need to tend to the irresponsible generation. I get it. FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF. Go fucking die in a grave dug by yourself you selfish pigs! 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 08:51 | 4435980 johnQpublic
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i would care for my inlaws, but i'd go to jail before i took care of MY parents

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:49 | 4435398 Max Cynical
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Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:56 | 4435892 GetZeeGold
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As usual....send the bill to John Boehner.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:01 | 4435277 ImReady
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Stronger, wiser, and self reliant because of it. A gift of sorts I guess.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:45 | 4435220 401K of Dooom
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Good for you!  That is the way to break the cycle of abuse in families.  That or an AR-15!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 09:56 | 4436131 Duude
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Far too often the next generation raises their children in the same way as they were raised, even if they hated their parents. Good for you and yours for breaking that cycle. All of society need more people brave enough to break this type of cycle of abuse and raise an honest, decent generation.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:23 | 4436214 annabelleballow
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That's fine.  But Why should I (the taxpayer) take care of them? 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 09:57 | 4436135 Duude
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Yes, and they largely voted for it.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:01 | 4436146 Duude
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Tough choices. I've been blessed thus far, not having to deal with this. Both my parents are into their early eighties and aside of increasing forgetfulness, they're still on top of their lives.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 04:22 | 4435689 salman
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I am doing it and will happily do that till I can, then my kids will do then their kids.....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:30 | 4434301 onewayticket2
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missing the point.  you could easily say, "what assholio doesnt want people to have healthcare" or "what assholio is against giving the destitute a meal"?

government mandated actions are the issue.



Woody Allen

(anxiously awaiting the spongebath from my daughter)

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:02 | 4434427 lakecity55
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Well, I think it is primarily the families' responsibility to take care of the older members, not the .gov.

I saw great-grandparents down to my parents taken care of by the family.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:47 | 4435081 toady
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While I'm not against caring for elderly parents, the whole concept is foriegn to me. I knew my great grandparents and grandparents and none of them, not even the down-and-out ones, would let anyone 'take care' of them.

One of my grandfathers lived in a shitty trailer that leaked all winter for the last ten years of his life . My parents kept trying to help him, but the most he would take from anyone was an occasional bottle of whiskey.

My grandmother wouldn't talk to half the family after they tried to put her in a nursing home, and simply started telling anyone who brouched the subject that she had a gun and knew how to use it.

Every one of them lived in their own home & paid their own bills until they died.

I just don't get this 'take care of' thing, unless it's like putting down a dog type of 'take care of'.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:03 | 4435434 TheReplacement
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That sounds like about the right balance.  The kids wanted to help (however misguided) and the parents/grandparents didn't want or need help.  Everyone did their parts almost.  Somehow the kids did not understand their elders.  Who's to say where the fault really lies there.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:10 | 4435463 Braverdave
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"Take care of" sounds like putting down Old Yeller to me too.

I like whiskey as well.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 04:26 | 4435693 salman
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That is what East makes East and West makes West.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 05:41 | 4435762 Confused
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Fuck the deadbeat parent. And fuck the state. On the flip side, if the state couldn't force him to pay child support/care during your formative years, how could their force you to take care of him? 



Fri, 02/14/2014 - 08:41 | 4435968 onewayticket2
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it's merely another wealth redistribution scheme....afterall, who could be against caring for "family"....


but then it'll be means tested and the "wealthy" will have to pay their own freight......and....that of the bottom 70%.  guaranteed votes for another generation.


Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:46 | 4436284 Kayman
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"another wealth redistribution scheme...." Nail on the head my friend, nail on the head.  Judges get a government check-money extorted, not freely given to them. 

Now that the government parasites have squandered the money purportedly taken to support the aged, they are telling you that you must pay again. WTF !

I guess that IOU chit Congress put into the cash box when they stripped the Social Security trust fund might not be worth so much after all...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 08:44 | 4435970 Acet
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+1 This

I've seen exactly how my maternal grandmother withered and died in a couple of years, after her daughters took her away from her home in the countryside - were she was an independent woman and had all her friends - to stay with them in the city - were she didn't fit and was entirelly dependent on her daughters - so that they could take care of her.

It was really all about getting the old lady's pension money and in uprooting her and taking away her dignity, they effectivelly killed her.

Had I been older back then I would've stopped the whole thing.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:32 | 4434306 Prisoners_dilemna
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Many people are pieces of shit. This includes parents.

This decision, like most, should be decided by the individual and the free market.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:45 | 4434368 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Sadly, you're right. Can you imagine being forced to take care of some abusive bastard? Go long on legal parent/child divorces, emancipations, etc.

Even if they're good people, some are in such bad shape, they need to go to care homes. Even not-critical care for someone long term is a big mental and physical drain, let alone the financial challenges of drugs, beds, etc. You'll end up with scenarios of "overdose" when either the parent or the caregiver can't take it anymore. This is almost as stupid as the French town that created a law that UFOs can't land there. "That'll fix it!"

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:38 | 4434334 Race Car Driver
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I agree - but having done it, I can tell you it's harder than most anything one will ever do in their lives. I took care of my g-mother (I had to step in for a parent who couldn't manage their own life) who had dementia/Alzheimer's - and it was grueling. And, one has no idea when it's gonna be over. Not that anyone wishes for that - but taking care of old folks will suck the life right out of you.

I have no kids, so I often wonder who's gonna help me when I need it?

Even if I had kids, I wouldn't rely on them - not in this day and age.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:59 | 4434420 lakecity55
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Mom took care of Pop, then after he went to his reward, my sister and I took care of Mom until she joined Pop in the next atomic structure arrangement of a different frequency (heaven).

I am lucky I have a wifey with big tits and two daughters, plus now 3 young lakettes from #1 daughter.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:09 | 4434462 nightshiftsucks
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Lucky ? You know how fucked up this world is,why would you want to bring in another life ? Maybe you're selfish.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:16 | 4434670 Ness.
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I 'd bet you're pretty happy that your grandparents didn't think like you.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:41 | 4434804 in4mayshun
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The world wasn't this messed up when our grandparents were screwing. If I had a choice, I would not want to be born into the current state of affairs. A child's chances at this point are rather bleak.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:00 | 4434868 ncdirtdigger
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You can buy a nail gun and fix that having been born thing. Just saying, either shit, or get off the pot their partner. Either way, we don't want to hear you complain about a life you are not forced to live.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:35 | 4435026 BLOTTO
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I sorta thought the same thing...but you know what Nightshift - the world needs good people. If anything, having a child is the least selfish thing you can give your heart and life for them.


'They' dont want us to have families and kids -thats part of the agenda, therefore, we should have more...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:05 | 4435445 TheReplacement
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7 Billion.  Isn't that enough?  Isn't traffic bad enough?  Isn't it enough to already have morons everywhere? Isn't it enough that nature has disappeared over so much of the planet?  'They' are right.  There are enough of us.  More than enough. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:29 | 4435508 Advoc8tr
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Unfortunately fractional reserve, forced inflation, 'growth' economic structures require an ever increasing base of peasants to keep taking on new debt. Without that system in place there never would have been 7 billion and when it fails there won't be for much longer.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 12:02 | 4436515 N2OJoe
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So your solution to too many morons is for the intelligent, responsible people to stop breeding?

IMO, the only way to change all of this is to do what you can to fight for what's right and raise children with the same values to carry on the fight long after you're gone.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 03:42 | 4435644 Lore
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Re: "There are enough of us.  More than enough."

It's important to cut through Agenda 21 myths if we're to have productive discussion. It will come as a rude awakening to the composers of technocratic bullshit that even THEY are considered part of the herd, expendable useful idiots, hardly a product of special wombs such as those that purportedly distinguish the Top.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:52 | 4436302 Kayman
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"""Re: "There are enough of us.  More than enough."""

Naturally none of the proponents want to volunter to start the trend.  Yeah, I thought not.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:12 | 4435465 SilverFish
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In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter either way.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:32 | 4435011 Ness.
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I call bullshit.  I won't pretend to know your age but I can tell you that every generation will have their crosses to bare.  Your generation will be no different.  When I visited my grandparents I pissed in an outhouse and we didn't have a TV until I was 10.   

Affluenza is not actually a disease. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:21 | 4435490 SmackDaddy
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wasnt this messed up?  get a grip, man.  my grandaddy was getting shot at by fucking nazis....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:25 | 4435178 nightshiftsucks
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Who gives a fuck if you're not born,you wouldn't know it,get it dumb fuck.This country is about to go 3rd world at best,lets see how much you like your life  when that happens.


Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:34 | 4435283 BoNeSxxx
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Losing 'stuff' only matters if you let it define you.

I am prepared to lose any and all 'stuff'... no matter to me.  I have my family who I adore and whom am adored by. We will be happy and laughing whether living in the 'burbs or growing rice in Cambodia.

And each and every one of us will sling lead if we have to before going to any 'camps'.

Life is beautiful if you open your eyes and take the time to really see it for what it is.  The rest is just so much bullshit.

And, for what it's worth, most 3rd world countries are full of happy, committed families who care not one shit about America and what is going on t/here.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:28 | 4434730 chubbar
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tell us more about the big tits?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:58 | 4434869 bearwinkle
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Picutures would be even better! 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:14 | 4434468 dogbreath
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what about the asshole whose parent(s) were complete selfish cunts.   what asshole would want to put up with that shit till the parents are 95 and the favorite sibling (not them) gets everything.  besides nobody from ZH will escape the NKVD

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:00 | 4434623 Miffed Microbio...
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Took the words out of my mouth! I'm so glad I'm an orphan now. It gives me no pleasure to say this but when you have been beaten to unconsciousness numerous times and psychologically tortured all other times, you become thankful they are dead.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:18 | 4434971 Boy
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Miffed, I understand.  I chose not to have children because I knew I was completely ill-equippedn in every way.  I am also very lucky to have a husband like yours.  P.S.  I enjoy reading your comments.  Laughter IS the best medicine after all.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:52 | 4435095 Miffed Microbio...
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I understand your decision. It may have been better if I hadn't. I was fortunate to have a wonderful husband that saved our family. When I got help and made reparations it was the saddest thing a mother could do. I am thankful my children have forgiven me for being a bad mother for so many years. My brother and I are so thankful we stopped the chain of abuse and our children will not suffer like we did. My biggest goal now is finding forgiveness. I have had a few glimmers of it so I am hopeful.

Give your husband a hug and a kiss for me. They are worth their weight in gold and that is not just a trite statement in my case. Live,Love and Laugh!


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:27 | 4435190 DanDaley
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Miffed, your honesty and openness are astounding, seriously.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:49 | 4435237 Grande Tetons
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One of the elite posters on ZH. Miffed is a class act, IMO. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:08 | 4434906 tmosley
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The ones who were beaten, raped, left out in the cold, disowned for being gay or some other stupid reason, etc.

If people are required to take care of their parents, then they should be entitled to everything their parents owned after they die.  No taxes.  Wills ignored, etc.

Well, actually, the government should just mind its own fucking business, but good luck with that.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:14 | 4436193 cynicalskeptic
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No taxes?!?!    I counter with the Walton family (Walmart heirs - 7 people worth more than 40% of all Americans combined by sheer luck of their birth.... and raise with the Koch Brothers)


Unlimited inherited wealth leads to a rentier class that starves the populace

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 08:59 | 4435990 TeddyBear
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An orphan (from the Greek ??????? orfanos) a child whose parents have abandoned them permanently from birth.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:17 | 4436206 effendi
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The "pop" was a German born in 1923. Probably served in Hitlers army, might have been a card carrying Nazi. For all we know the son married a Jewess or a Slav and the father despised his son for "polluting" the family genes and would have nothing to do with the grandkids. It happens, I've overheard my own father make nasty remarks about my sons ethnicity (from my mixed race marriage).

Might have been divorced because he was a wife beater/drunk/philanderer/kiddie fiddler. Lots of reasons why the son may be justified in having nothing to do with the guy.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:31 | 4434302 PhilB
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This article really peaked my interest cause forcing debt to heirs seeems grossly out of place. Sure enough after researching german laws and the case a bit, I discovered that it isnt quite what it seems. It was even coverd in the FT : . Upon further research i found out that the son was left the "legal minimum". So it wasnt as if he was left only a bill. He inherited money from his Dad. Further research reveals that the legal minium is 50% of what the Son would have gotten if he wasnt reduced to the legal minimum. It seems the son was challenging the bill cause other personsm received moneys and he was reduced to the legal minimum. He is not owing money out of his pocket! The articles left out a lot of important information. In fact, the laws in Germany work to protect children from being entirely disinherited (unlike the US which can totally disinherit a child). And i guess to compensate for that undeniable right of a child, the child that elects to have the inheritance (the child can deny it) is also subject to the estates debts direcly (versus the other inheritors who apparently arent first in line for the parents debts). 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:46 | 4434364 noless
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The whole thing seems to be that the father bailed right after the kid turned 18, otherwise, if he'd left sooner, from what i can gather the child very well could have had no responsibility.. Something like that, my German is terrible.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:46 | 4435544 Advoc8tr
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He stole my plan dammit !   18 years of being taken for granted (by the hand of your own committment to see it through) is enough.  Best thing for them is to HAVE to fend for themselves for a while IMO ... the brainwashing they get at school these days is difficult to counter.

My 15 yr old busted me smoking a joint out in the shed last week and was distraught that his father was a "druggo" ... I pointed out I had been doing it since before he was born  and he'd never noticed. I added the fact that most his mates Dads down a 6 pack every night while we don't drink at all ....didn't seem to sink in.  I'm doubly bad because I don't drink like all the other parents AND I'm a loser druggo cause the teachers said so :(

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:32 | 4434316 Keyser
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Go to South / Central America or anywhere in Asia and you will find that family is number one, over and above all else. Why? Because they have no social safety net provided by the gubbamint. Just another unexpected consequence from the nanny state is the destruction of very social fabric that built the country...

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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:44 | 4434809 yogibear
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"Even if I had kids, I wouldn't rely on them - not in this day and age."

Many are chasing money rather than taking care of their good parent. Maybe they visit once a month or less.

Wait until their time comes. One can  hope their kids treat them the same way they treated their parent. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:32 | 4435197 Creepy Lurker
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I see your point, but it's hard to blame the kids entirely when the govt. doesn't let the parents raise them anymore. They are raised by the schools and the TV. If the parent interferes, the thugs show up with a court order. Ironically, it seems the only parents that have real influence are the abusers.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:56 | 4435427 Keyser
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If you want to know the true reason for the destruction of American culture and western society in general, then research who organized and funded such organizations as Planned Parenthood, NAACP and the Feminist movement. It is all a long-running social experiment with the usual suspects at the helm. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:35 | 4435516 Braverdave
Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:07 | 4435444 PhilofOz
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..... and that is why families there spit out one kid after another year after year..... in the hope of some security in old age. Lets ignore the elephant in the room, overpopulation that is going to collapse societies like the Philippines.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:31 | 4434747 jbvtme
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zman...the state should not coerce demands on its citizens who react out of fear of penalty.  rather it should inspire and guide the desired behavior so that positive actions are voluntary. but they're bureacrats and we are sheep. and so it goes.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:55 | 4434853 EconomicGenocide
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I think we should be more concerned in this country with 20% UE, about the need for 70 year old parents taking care of their 40 and 50 year old children.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:01 | 4434878 rwe2late
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Did you know you could be responsible for your parents' unpaid bills? Thirty states currently have laws making adult children responsible for their parents if their parents can't afford to take care of themselves. While these laws are rarely enforced, there has been speculation that states may begin dusting them off as a way to save on Medicaid expenses. These laws, called filial responsibility laws, obligate adult children to provide necessities like food, clothing, housing, and medical attention for their indigent parents. 21 states allow a civil court action to obtain financial support or cost recovery, 12 states impose criminal penalties on children who do not support their parents, and three states allow both civil and criminal actions.

States with filial responsibility laws are: Alaska, Arkansas,
 California, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa,
 Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Montana,
 Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota,
 Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota,
 Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, and West Virginia

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:31 | 4435200 toady
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Whew! Not my states!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 09:40 | 4436099 _SILENCER
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Here in the People's Republic of Kalifornia we luckily didn't have to deal with that financial responsibility law when  my mother died in 2001. There was over 700 grand in ICU bills that were overwhelming.


Filed the death certificate...pow...they went away.

Tht was some gnarly shit, watching your mother whither in some heinous hospital environment, then getting her back to her house, then all of the back and forth to the hospital (a goddamn death factory if you ask me) as conditions changed flip flopped from bad to worse. I was the only one nearby, my sibilings would come and go as life allowed, but I dealt with it every day. It was gruelling, but it was my job and I did it. I was sad to see her go, there was hope for awhile, but in the end it was best. Pop is an independent bad ass in WV, playing golf and smoking cigars, and currently freezing his ass off I might add, but he has a plan in I most likely won't have to go through that again. It was some shit.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:53 | 4435254 Leveraged Algorithm
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Well - if my mother in law lived with us there would have already been a homicide. She survives everything so even God doesn't want her... Must learn how to make Ricin.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 09:54 | 4436128 _SILENCER
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And on the flipside of my story, Mrs. Silencer has zero relationship with her whack-job, self absorbed broom riding mother. She'll let the old bat squeal in flames before she raises a hand to help her ass.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:39 | 4435372 msamour
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So if one of my parents used to beat me as a kid, then all of the sudden I have to take care of him or her I would be absolutely pissed! I would take care of him all right. Beat the living shit out of him...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:11 | 4435820 eurogold
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The details of this case are unique and not the norm. In this case, the court ruling is just plain wrong.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 08:47 | 4435976 kralizec
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Zaphod nails it.  When people think they have to start enforcing behavior it is a clear sign that your society has reached a point of irreversible decrepitude.  And it doesn't matter if the object of the order ir morally or intrinsically right or wrong, anytime the state tries to veer outside its purview it makes things worse.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:19 | 4434276 greatbeard
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>> people take care of themselves.

You changed your own diapers?  You da man!!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:11 | 4434469 nightshiftsucks
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If I got like that I would do the honorable thing and OD on pills or a lead injection to the brain.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:30 | 4434737 lynnybee
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Where I come from, people take care of themselves.  ...that would be nice, wouldn't it.   what about the infirm?  the elderly?  the truly needy thru no fault of their own.   there, but, for the grace of god, go i.    

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:14 | 4434946 ncdirtdigger
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If each of us would live our lives as if we depended on others to care for us some day, would we all be welfare queens? Or would we all be paying it forward?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:42 | 4434812 Johnny Cocknballs
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I doubt it, but I bet that where you come from, people say "where I come from..." followed by some ridiculous hyperbole a lot.


Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:50 | 4435408 Radical Marijuana
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When I come from, everything I need comes from hundreds or thousands of kilometers away, and was produced by millions of people that would be impossible for me to know.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 08:15 | 4435919 Lebensphilosoph
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Where you come from is a decadent modern sham of human scoeity which is of its own nature verging on the total collapse of civilisation. Take your Liberal ideals, Libertarian, and shove them.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 09:22 | 4436048 scrappy
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Since our social contract is collapsing, anyone game for starting over? Forge your destiny and ours.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:19 | 4434274 cynicalskeptic
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and if Grandma and Grandpa are impossible pains in the ass?   I recall a court case from the turn of the last century - circa 1900 - where the brothers of a woman were fighting in court for a share of their father's meager estate which had been left to their sister.  The sister had taken in their father - who they ALL hated and despised - ONLY on the condition that she be paid for doing so , that SHE be the one and only beneficiary of his estate.    If he'd had nothing he'd have ended up in the County poor house.   

Part of that 'social contract' required that people in a family treat each other somewhat decently so someone would WANT to 'take them in' when they got too old to live on their own - but often that was not the case.  Still happens.  My grandmother (living into her 90's) was stuck dealing with HER mother (who also lived into her 90's).   Really tense situation as the 'flapper' daughter had run off and married a n'er do well in the late 1920's - against her parent's advice and wishes.   Wanted to move back home after the first kid but Mom and Dad wouldn't take her back..... 40 years later - she's stuck with     Twenty years later, her daughter is stuck dealing with her........ (cursing out HER siblings for leaving her 'stuck' with Mom).

Sometimes the only thing you can learn from Grandma and Grandpa is what NOT to do with your life.

Age does not guarantee wisdom and often brings with it an oversized sense of entitlement.

'If I lived this long I DESERVE what I want .....  If I lived this long I can DO what I want... If I lived this long I don't HAVE to listen to ANYONE....

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:39 | 4434342 Skateboarder
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You are quite right that age does not bring wisdom. More data points, certainly, but wisdom is earned through analysis. No analysis, no wisdom.

The case you were describing is one where generational care is seen as a burden. Lots of families live more lovingly and take care of each other with a little more long-term interest than being 'stuck' with someone.

Also right that sometimes the best lessons learned from old folks is what not to do.

The case of the Boomers will be an interesting story.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:51 | 4434379 Rentier88
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This is because 'adult' children these days put materialist goals and greed over that of the family unit.  The break down the the family in the US is what has led us to moral decay we have running rampant now.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:15 | 4434473 nightshiftsucks
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It's called making a living.Back in the day you could live off of a retail job,try that now.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:56 | 4434841 Tall Tom
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The Social Contract COLLAPSED LONG AGO. Is this news? There is a woman that I was acquainted with that took her Alzheimer afflicted mother and rolled her off in a truck down a 70 foot embankment and into the neighbor's swimming pool. Her mother died of Massive Blunt Force Trauma.


The woman was more interested in the $3.2 Million Estate than paying for her mother's care. She subsequently stole the estate from her brothers.


San Diego County did not prosecute and it was ruled an "accidental death". Her lawyer coached her quite well and was paid handsomely. So were the judges involved in dissolving an irrevocable trust.


You can "take care" of your parents and get away with it. (It was that incident which taught me that you can get away with Murder.)




But your Government supports that.


Keep on stackin' and hope you do not get too sick because your children will delight in affecting your death...while profitting from it.


SPEND THE INHERITANCE WHILE YOU ARE HEALTHY...ALL OF IT. All that poor woman did was work herself to death, got a fucked up illness, and had her loving daughter off her.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 04:48 | 4435714 New World Chaos
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The social engineering puppetmasters have a new mandate for the legal system:   The honest are to be parasitized or worse.  Greedy sociopaths are to be rewarded.  You get more of what you subsidize, and only greedy sociopaths can be trusted to implement the puppetmasters' vision of the New America.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:14 | 4434844 yogibear
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"This is because 'adult' children these days put materialist goals and greed over that of the family unit"

Unfortunately true, I know baby-boomer children that strive to have that top end BMW, Rolex watch, the latest igadget, belong to expensive golf courses so they brag to others. They treat their parents like strangers. The parents were too good to them. The parents spent a great deal of time with them.


Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:15 | 4435832 eurogold
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It goes both ways, parents abuse children and children abuse parents

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:55 | 4434609 WillyGroper
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With the destruction of he family I cannot imagine, especially if there was major dysfunction of being forced to do that. Legislating behavior never has & never will work.

The sandwich hamster cage of caring for a parent & children is harrowing. I did it for 10 yrs & would not have had it any other way. 

All one has to do is to look inside these nursing homes to make a swift decision against it even on a rehab basis after hospitalization. 

Oh whata world, whata world. Governments run amok.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:12 | 4434256 Groundhog Day
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Another deflationary event.  Children Must take care of their parents so their will be a percentage of the population that consolidates households saving (or spending less) on food, electricity, property taxes etc

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:48 | 4434160 Tasty Sandwich
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Unrelated and unsurprising

Silk Road 2.0 BTC Heist ~ $2.7 million gone

Reddit calls it an inside job

From r/SilkRoad: SR 2.0 hacked; ALL BTC gone.

From r/DarkNetMarkets: SR has been HACKED!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:47 | 4434166 rubiconsolutions
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I was looking through my filing cabinet and couldn't find a copy of the so called social contract. Doesn't a contract have to be executed by both parties in order to be enforceable? Screw you Thomas Hobbes.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:14 | 4434255 Citxmech
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The Fascists-in-Charge would argue that you manifested constructive assent by taking advantage of society's benefits.  If you want to revoke the social contract to which you are a party, you'll have to find a place that offers no societal bennies.  What does that leave you - the middle of the Ocean, Antarctica, and the Moon maybe?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:26 | 4434714 rubiconsolutions
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Yeah, I know. Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau and their ilk all said pretty much the same thing. Implied consent. Thing is, it's virtually impossible to not take at least some "advantage of society's benefits." The moment your parents drive you home from the hospital..."Well pal, you took advantage from day one of at least some of society's benefits because they drove you home on publicly funded roads. Therefore, you are on the hook. You signed on to the American version of the social contract." Well fuck 'em. I never took advantage of "society's benefits", I had them shoved down my throat. I stopped offering my consent in 1992, the last time I voted and I've taken other measures to distance myself from "society's benefits." The whole notion of the social contract is garbage. 

Take a look at this and answer the question - Who Owns You?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:53 | 4434851 Johnny Cocknballs
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I dunno about "their ilk" - Locke was pretty different from Rousseau. 

As for being a slave, ol' Johnny isn't into kink, but I think I'd like to put the chick in the link in a cage and make her bark for treats.

Is that wrong?

Look, man, this is all great in theory, it just breaks down in practice, and you either recognize that and take what you can get, or you refuse to do so, and never get anything politically at all.  In any political philosophy or movement there are the purists and idealists, and they are the ones who always make sure nothing gets done because they demand everything get done their way - even though many or most of the rest of the country just plain disagrees.

Idealism without pragmatism is extremism.


Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:27 | 4434892 rubiconsolutions
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Idealism without pragmatism is extremism.

Then count me as an extremist. There's nothing pragmatic about being stolen from by way of direct taxation. There's nothing pragmatic about supporting a military industrial complex that has killed millions of innocent people in sovereign countries. There's nothing pragmatic about a government that professes to protect property, liberty and life but must threaten all three in order to exist.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:48 | 4435234 Creepy Lurker
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Now that's a damn good rant! +100!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:57 | 4436323 Citxmech
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I think the biggest downside of the whole idea of the social contract is that the peons can never really get away with claiming "material breach."  When I have to pay gas and road taxes but what I get in return are bridges on the verge of collapse, and pot holes that will break your axles - there comes a point where we should have some kind of legal standing to cease payment. 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:58 | 4434861 tip e. canoe
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that young woman is a budding her video on jury nullification.

here's another:  Questions for Statists

(nmewn if you're reading, this is right down your alley)

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 03:34 | 4435640 Real Estate Geek
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I wanna get that pregnant.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 23:36 | 4435204 Semi-employed W...
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They always talk about Social Security being a contract.  Excuse me, but I never signed anything saying that I wanted 15.2% of my paycheck stolen!

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:53 | 4434185 Wolferl
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Probably the most stupid post i´ve seen so far on ZeroHedge. Are the Tylers down now to just "copypaste" every BS on other blogs without checking the stuff just for a few minutes?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:12 | 4434249 X_mloclaM
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the point is breaking news on German tax (holdng the EZ up) is far more meanless to the average Germ as they now have to do what their state supposedly collects taxes to do, whether on their soil or to the south

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:12 | 4434253 NOTaREALmerican
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It rattles the cages of the political, ISM, and diety OCD sufferers.   That generates lots of heated bullshit that is ignored by people who have opposite bullshit receptors.   That allows long threads of pointless posts read only by those who agree.   

The cash register rings,  the Tylers understand bullshit as much as the sociopaths do.   They exhibit their skills every day.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 09:34 | 4436077 scrappy
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His cycle theory is interesting.

His basic predictions.

Choppy 2014, Oct 1, or so 2015 big downturn,  Oct 30 2016 Bigger downturn, election, false euphoria upturn, a yr later, "the final crash" so to speak until 2022 or so.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:36 | 4434260 Uber Vandal
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It appears that someone missed that court case in Pennsylvania from 2009:

Or how about 29 states have filial responsibility laws on the books already:



Thu, 02/13/2014 - 21:15 | 4434678 WhackoWarner
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Armstrong, smart guy, but leaned down to pick up the soap too many times...made him accustomed to bending over for money.  After all he has to plan his retirement pack does he not?  Grain if salt.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 01:28 | 4435506 RafterManFMJ
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Sweet!! Is there any problem anywhere that the cold, hard bayonet of the state, applied to the citizen's throat, cannot solve?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:40 | 4434125 666
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But don't socialism taxes force me to take care of everyone else's parents and children?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:50 | 4434179 Doubleguns
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Yes and I will be sending them over to you just as soon as I finish milking ummmm  getting the last bit of inheritance out of them. /s

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:06 | 4434235 ebworthen
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Yes, and just watch, they passed this ruling primarily to extract more money.

If you don't take care of your Parent(s), they will charge you for the cost of caring for them - even though they've taxed you for it already since you started working.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:08 | 4434240 Citxmech
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Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:25 | 4434383 Supernova Born
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Grandma got run over by a reindeer.

Thanks Santa.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:31 | 4435353 Atomizer
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Some won't understand your humor. Shit, I forgotten about that song. Thanks for memory capsule.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:58 | 4434409 booboo
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ebworthen wins the cupie doll, every action by politicians moving forward will be to peel more skin off the backs of the producers. As things spiral out of control they will be clawing at avery root sticking out of the outcropping trying to keep from falling to their death which in their case would be falling out of positions of power.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:39 | 4434129 Pee Wee
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Earth to Armstrong - if it touches fraud fiat it is collapsing (or has already although the "music" still plays).

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:40 | 4434131 blindman
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you can't legislate morality, oh wait,
sure you can.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:49 | 4434134 Never One Roach
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"It's only Fair!"

However, Germans have one of the most generous welfare systems for retired volks even if they live in another care, etc...all free my German neighgbor tells me...well, free for them but taxed to die andere Volks.

He says, "es ist nur fair."

Of course, Kornhein of Nicole fashions would say, "the poor people just need to work harder."

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:14 | 4434252 Pure Evil
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No, I think he said the poor people, well at least poor to him, need to appreciate their pittance salaries or head to China.

Or, as someone else was quoted as saying, Let them eat cake, although its doubtful that it can be attributed to her.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:44 | 4434135 Hongcha
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Just let gold go up.  We know the shithouse is coming down, I don't care, it could take years.

Just loves me my gold.  

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:58 | 4434416 noless
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I am pinning this comment. Haven't seen one in a long while.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:34 | 4435027 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hongchajust one of MANY problems a nice pile of gold can help solve.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:42 | 4434136 Ignatius
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"So what are all these taxes for?"

I'll take a shot:  interest on bank loans.

Or imagine the biggest dildo you've ever seen... and double it.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:56 | 4434206 forwardho
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The taxes are about perception.

When was the last time you heard of a federal budget? Going on 6 years without one.

The largest govt in the world currently has no limit on what it can spend to keep the illusion going. People assume the taxes they send to washington are being used to pay for all the costs incured.

Ack... tired of beating a dead horse.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 12:37 | 4436635 Boxed Merlot
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federal budget? Going on 6 years without one...



How about voiding every t-bill purchased by the fed or one of their "members" since they began adding 2 million frn per minute to the US money supply?  As long as the US constitution is an outdated idea what makes the fed think they can be exempt from the removal of inalienable rights? 

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:59 | 4434217 tip e. canoe
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add to the shot: compounded interest on bank loans.

whatever happened to simple interest btw?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:18 | 4434263 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  whatever happened to simple interest btw?

If it's too simple, you can't screw the dumbasses.

Society exists to provide a forum where the smartest-n-savviest members screw the dumbasses.

Most of the dumbasses can't comprehend "compounded interest".  

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:21 | 4434266 Urban Redneck
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How about the vast new compound income streams for prolific sperm donors?

Someone could make serious bank if they have a long history of making deposits.

Something about the law of unintended consequences comes to mind, unless the string puller behind this legal outcum was a sperm donor who got jacked for child support.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 19:49 | 4434365 tip e. canoe
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UR, comment lit a little bulb in me head that this does inspire Germans to have more kids to spread the risk and minimize the burden on an individual child.  

wonder if Germany is trying to get their birth rate *cough* future tax slave base *cough* up?

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 20:04 | 4434430 Urban Redneck
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The original point of kids (post conception) was security in old age (and still is in a lot of places), but if one doesn't put in the effort and raise the kids right, they're likely to try and take you for all they can, and discard you like an old used whore when you can't put out MOAR MONEY anymore. Of course since it now "takes a village" it must be the village's fault.

I'm not sure I really have the patience to wait until this inter and multi generational societal dysfunction works itself out, I wonder if it's too late to take up rocket science...

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 22:03 | 4434886 tip e. canoe
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you should hook up with honestann.  

i think she's workin on one actually.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 00:14 | 4435314 logicalman
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Don't forget fractional reserve, to amlify the problem.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:46 | 4434137 RaceToTheBottom
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Nothing new here, the poor have been taking care of the rich since 2008, or is that 1971, or is that 1913?  It's so confusing

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:47 | 4434167 shovelhead
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The poor have been taking care of the rich since 1913.

They started working overtime in 2008.

They weren't productive enough.

The FSA poor are doing fine considering their input.

Thu, 02/13/2014 - 18:42 | 4434139 bigrooster
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Government exists for it's own benefit, not to benefit the people.  The federal government knows that if there was a popular vote tomorrow the majority of Americans would vote to abolish it.

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