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Don’t Be Fooled: North Korea Is Getting Ready To Provoke

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Submitted by Zachary Zeck via The Diplomat,

North Korea appears to be laying the groundwork to begin a new round of provocations, which could very well take the form of a missile and/or nuclear test.

Despite its deliberate (and successful, in the U.S. at least) attempts to portray itself as an irrational actor, North Korea’s provocations usually follow a well-worn playbook. This begins with North Korea mounting a charm offensive that is aimed primarily at South Korean audiences. The purpose of this charm offensive is to create hope that Pyongyang could be turning over a new leaf. Amid this charm offensive, North Korea quietly demands that South Korea and/or the United States do something that Pyongyang knows full well they won’t do. When they predictably fail to meet the demand, Pyongyang insists that it is being provoked, and uses this supposed provocation to justify its brazen actions. This allows North Korea to blame its own actions on South Korea and the U.S., which can be convincing to some audiences in China, South Korea, and even the West.

North Korea has carefully put all these pieces into place over the past few weeks.

First, it has launched a huge charm offensive containing more carrots than usual. For example, it has agreed to hold the first family reunions in years between Koreans living on opposite sides of the 38th Parallel. The reunions are scheduled to occur for five days starting on February 20. Important constituent groups in South Korea place a great deal of importance on these reunions, and would be extremely disappointed if they were called off.

Secondly, earlier this month an inter-Korean committee discussing the Kaesong Industrial Complex (KIC) reached an agreement to allow some internet connectivity in the business park in North Korea. It will be the first time any internet has been allowed at KIC in a decade. In announcing the agreement, a Ministry of Unification spokesperson said, “Officials and employees in the North’s border city will be able to use most of the online services now available in South Korea.” The prospect of having the internet at KIC is attractive to the many South Korean businesses that operate there, as well as to those hoping that North Korea will gradually open up to the outside world.

Thirdly, as my colleague Ankit reported, North and South Korean officials held two rounds of talks at the border town of Panmunjom on Wednesday. The talks were held at North Korea’s request. South Korean officials said they were “pleasantly surprised” (in the words of the BBC) to receive the North’s invitation. South Korea’s delegation was led by Deputy National Security Adviser Kim Kyou-hyun, making these the most senior-level talks the two Koreas have held since 2007. Before the meeting began, NSA Kim declared, “This is an opportunity to open a new era of the Korean peninsula. I would like to attend the meeting with ‘open attitude and mind’ to study the opportunity.”

There have also been some less noticed overtures made to Japan and the United States. For example, Kyodo News Agency has reported that Japan and North Korea held talks last month in Vietnam. Tokyo immediately denied the reports, with a Shinzo Abe spokesperson saying that Japan cut off official talks with North Korea after it launched a missile over Japan in 2012. That being said, last May North Korea’s state media announced what was supposed to be a secret trip to Pyongyang by a close Shinzo Abe aide. There have also been reports that the same aide met with North Korean officials last October in northwest China. Thus, the Abe administration’s denial of the meeting in Vietnam last month cannot be taken at face value.

North Korea has been stingier toward the U.S. during this current charm offensive. That being said, it did raise expectations that it might be amenable to releasing the American-Korean prisoner Kenneth Bae, before once again shooting down that possibility. Moreover, Donald Gregg, the former U.S. ambassador to South Korea, is currently leading a delegation to North Korea for talks with government officials. Gregg’s trip came at the invitation of North Korea’s Foreign Ministry.

If all this seems too good to be true, that’s because it almost certainly is. Since at least as far back as the middle of January, North Korea has been quietly demanding that South Korea and the U.S. cancel their annual military exercise, Foal Eagle, which will begin on February 24 and run through April. This demand has grown progressively louder as the exercise’s start date nears, and North Korea has threatened to withdraw from the planned family reunions if the military exercise takes place.

As North Korea well knows, there is virtually no possibility that the U.S. and the ROK will agree to call off the exercise, which is precisely the reason it has made the demand. At most, the allies might agree to forgo some parts of the drill that the North sees as most provocative. Even then, they would only do so quietly with no formal announcement.

Pyongyang and Seoul plan to continue discussions ostensibly aimed at finding a compromise that allows for the family reunions to move forward. These are likely to be futile as North Korea almost certainly doesn’t want to find common ground, but rather wants to use the Foal Eagle exercise to blame Seoul for a breakdown in relations.

It’s possible that it may be content with stopping there. However, given how much effort it has put into the charm offensive in recent weeks, North Korea likely has a larger goal in mind. The best case scenario is that the charm offensive has been a ruse to woo China. Chinese-North Korean relations have continued to deteriorate in recent months, with some of the discord playing itself out in public. Beijing consistently urges all parties on the Peninsula to take measures that improve peace and stability, and North Korea may hope its charm offensive — along with blaming the breakdown on South Korea and the U.S. — will put it back in China’s good graces.

The more troubling scenario is that the charm offensive has been laying the groundwork for another round of provocations. If so, there have been a number of signs that suggest that it will take the form of a missile test, likely to be followed closely by the country’s fourth nuclear test. Last week Johns Hopkins University’s 38 North said satellite imagery showed that upgrades to a launching pad were nearing completion, and when finished would enable the site to launch larger rockets.

Then, on Monday, ROK Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin told the National Assembly that North Korea had finished preparations for a fourth nuclear test, while adding that there were no signs that one was imminent. Still, North Korea’s nuclear tests are almost always preceded by a missile test, which North Korea disingenuously portrays as part of a peaceful space program. It then uses the international community’s “hostile” response to its space exploration to justify a nuclear test.


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Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:42 | 4438581 william114085
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why would this guy instigate anything? He has 2 options: live like a god or die within 5 minutes of starting any shit?  I'm expected to believe that he would choose option 2 ??  Smells like bullshit to me.   

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:48 | 4438598 kliguy38
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Knock it off with the logic..........the bankers and the MIC need some MOAR

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:57 | 4438631 Abi Normal
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Paging Denis Rodman to the red courtesy phone!  I guess they are queer for each other...who the FUCK cares about NK?  Do you?  He may just start WWIII, but who really cares, the ayatolla of rock en rolla, could do the same, but the liberal-tarians, think their JUST guys were blowing Putin a few months back too, weren't ya?  LOL...


At least we can all hate Obamao, and the congress and the fed...but that is where were divert...sad really!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:06 | 4438645 A Nanny Moose
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KJU reminds me of the chubby kid we use to make fun of  in 5th grade.

Note to  bullying the son of the despot because he went to fat camp. You might become dog food

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:59 | 4438864 Skateboarder
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He is obsessed with Disney characters.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:19 | 4438937 willwork4food
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How can an American travel freely to NK? Can I travel freely to IRAN-the current boogyman of the current admin? I think not.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:48 | 4438990 Harlequin001
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Fuck it. Drone him...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:48 | 4439164 GetZeeGold
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Please no......I can't take another crying attack.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:15 | 4439190 Arius
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WORLD WAR I ... remember how it started?  it did not made sense to anybody except the newspapers ...many events follow the same script as Mr. Armstrong would explain it to you is directly related to 1+1 = 2, so everything according to the rules etc.


well, if i may ask why would you expect smt different?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:02 | 4439261 weburke
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bingo, why maintain a maniacal sparta unless you plan to use them. I bet they get used to become a real problem for china as they roll across the border and move into those empty cities.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:48 | 4438991 Seb
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You think that anyone can travel freely to USA?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:16 | 4439073 Keyser
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Not sure where you've been, but the borders in the US are like an open sieve. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:53 | 4439107 unrulian
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by sieve you imply a slight restriction, i'd compare the ease of access of entry to a strippers vagina in Billy Ray Cyrus' remake of achy breaky heart

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:59 | 4438995 Lore
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How about lifting a finger to find out?

Iran wants American tourists, and a boomlet has begun (LA Times, 30-Dec-2013)

"The U.S. and Iran may have miles to go in their negotiations over curtailing Iran’s nuclear ambitions, but the ease in hostility has already produced a boomlet in American travel to Iran.  Three U.S.-based tour operators say they’ve seen a surge of bookings and questions about Iran in recent months. They’ve also heard encouragement from Iranian government officials, who met in New York with several U.S. tour operators during Iranian President Hassan Rouhani’s visit to the city in September..."

The tone of US-Iran relations shifted notably in January, coinciding with a similar change in the pulse and direction of world markets.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:18 | 4439076 Keyser
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Contrary to popular belief, traveling to Iran is not restricted for Americans. It may not be the brightest idea, but no one will stop you... 


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:19 | 4439135 Abi Normal
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Ya, go travel to Iran, they just LOVE Americans...especially when they have blindfolds over their eyes and hoods over their heads...

The Persian people, some like us, some don't....just like EVERYONE else!  Hell there are Americans on ZH who hate keep up the generalizations dolts, everything is black and white for you, in a world the shade of gray.

I shake my head in disbelief that so many on this board see no problems with Iran, or Putin for that matter, party on meds do ya?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:06 | 4439272 dontknowcrapabo...
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"Ya, go travel to Iran, they just LOVE Americans"

They actually do. Anything western is very popular, especially among the young. You are confusing government rhetoric with what Iranian people really want. One of the best examples is how profusely young Iranian men apologize to you if you catch them unshaven. The last thing they want to be mistaken for are the bearded religious lunatics, they despise them.

Oh, and if you ever want to go to a great rave party first choice would be Beirut, second would be Teheran.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:17 | 4439292 Abi Normal
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LOL, see there ya go, black and white, that is all you guys know...but the world is a shade of gray!  Why don't you just move to either of those two places and see the real deal, instead of spouting what you read off the internet fella?

damn, you folks are nieve as hell...

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:02 | 4444086 Lore
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Fascinating, that you keep repeating a mantra that appears to fit yourself better than anyone. You completely missed the point of the other poster.  "YOU KNOW IT ALL."

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 14:59 | 4439885 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Like Br'er Rabbit, sometimes  you just can't help but kick a tard baby.

When you juxtapose

Ya, go travel to Iran, they just LOVE Americans...especially when they have blindfolds over their eyes and hoods over their heads...


so keep up the generalizations dolts, everything is black and white for you, in a world the shade of gray

you're left with something more ironic than a ferrous wheel.

But hey, I guess I'm just being nieve [sic].

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 18:40 | 4440490 Abi Normal
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U stooge, taking me out of context is your way of funny or are you just a dumb ass, dont answer I know...I remember 444 days of capture, and they all cheered, wanted fuck you!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:48 | 4439232 DutchR
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Just do, don't think.


I'ts funny how polite they are at the Iraian customs.


You will be followed, sometimes, but hey its like nsa 1.0, lol.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:14 | 4438654 FMR Bankster
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Another way of saying "instigating things" is I want some more free sh*t from you guys. Why not stir the pot when every time you do it somebody gives you a bribe?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:51 | 4438842 wee-weed up
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Yep, the Norks learned well from pulling the wool...

Over the eyes of the Clintons and their bitch, Madeline HalfBright.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:39 | 4439469 SilverDOG
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Who cares....?

The IMF you dolt.

North Korea is the one of the TWO (2) countries in the world 


Iran is the other.

The previous ten were invaded, by UAssA over the last 13 yrs and banks moved right in.

Wake The F%$K UP.

Indentured worldwide slavery coming to the planet you are on.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:23 | 4441072 Iam_Silverman
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"Indentured worldwide slavery coming to the planet you are on."

Yes, because the North Koreans certainly do enjoy their current "freedom".


The IMF couldn't care less about NK.  In order for that country to be useful to them they must first be "liberated".  Then, once they have been conditioned to perform for rewards, they can later to be coaxed to perform for the benefit of the bankers.  That is still a long ways down the timeline.  If they marched in and took over now they would still have a starved workforce that is used to making half-assed attempts at production using decades old tools and methods.  It would end up being a money pit for them.  better to let the MIC surgically remove the main impediment to their goals and then the caring and loving western nations will rush in and modernize them, and make NK just like their country - indebted.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 07:53 | 4441743 SilverDOG
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IMF does not hesitate to utilize fear and ignorance through media misinformation, to utilize NK for WAR preparing insentives.

The Military Industrial Complex.

USA's #1 export.... WAR GEAR.

Assuming otherwise is crazy.

USS Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Chemical Attacks on Citizens... North Korea ohhhh NOOOO! 

We all are gonna DIE !

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:47 | 4443432 Iam_Silverman
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"IMF does not hesitate to utilize fear and ignorance through media misinformation, to utilize NK for WAR preparing insentives."

That is what I was alluding to in my statement.  In their present state though, they are useless to the IMF.  They need to be converted to a country striving to become middle class citizens - and thusly addicted to debt.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:04 | 4438643 tickhound
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Don't Be Fooled: The Article is Bullshit.. as per more and more lately

LOL "tyler durden"

More like ed norton

OMG wit should we do? Weez so skurrd!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:10 | 4438651 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Just another weekend KlownKar article from The Diplomat.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:17 | 4438655 socalbeach
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I could tell from the headline, without even clicking on the link, that it was another article from The "Diplomat".

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:29 | 4438700 Wait What
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if I saw Kim Jong Un on the street i would slap the s--t out of him just for looking like an fat-little-daddy-s-boy. his provocations are the kinds of things real men laugh at, like that little guy at the bar trying to get attention from the big guys by throwing his weight around when it's crowded. ironically enough, they are the easiest to co-opt.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 04:01 | 4439002 Lore
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"Talking Smack?"

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:30 | 4439443 Dr. Destructo
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No you wouldn't.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:23 | 4439140 Race Car Driver
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> Don't Be Fooled: The Article is Bullshit.. as per more and more lately


The best propaganda is 99% truth - and 1% agenda. ZH is pushing the limits.

Who is Tyler Durden?

Who is John Deere?

Same ol' shit.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:26 | 4438694 random shots
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ZH also needs more page views. This place has really gone downhill.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 07:12 | 4439034 Winston Churchill
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Know thy enemy.
Tyler is doing us a favor , the collective groupthink here would stop anyone here from visiting the Diplomat website,
where they at least openly give out their bullshit justifications prior to general release.
I despise Bolton ,but always listen closely to all his appearances.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:47 | 4441492 Yenbot
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A diplomat is failed militarism.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 15:35 | 4440001 DutchR
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Don’t Be Fooled: North Korea Is Getting Ready To Provoke"


so what







small blue marble




Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:28 | 4438698 runningman18
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North Korea is always on the verge of internal conflict due to ever present famine caused by trade embargo.  They've tried to hide this fact, but in the end, the NK government will have to expand, grab up resources, distract the population with war, or end up with a rebellion on their hands.  The frustrations in diplomacy between China and NK are likely all staged.  China has been pulling the strings in that country since the Korean War, and of course, the Banksters control China.  NK would be a pretty good option as a catalyst for a Pacific regional conflict.  China would never allow the U.S. to occupy NK soil.  It's all just dominos, folks.  The Banksters set them up - sometimes they knock them down, and sometimes they don't. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:40 | 4438903 Rukeysers Ghost
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I'm supposed to give a shit about a backward country that uses 70's Lincoln Town Cars as Presidential limos and think Dennis Rodman is still relevant to the US culture? These never ending conflicts with NK are always a distraction from real issue.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:11 | 4438930 willwork4food
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THAT'S THE POINT. Until they tire of their play toy.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:42 | 4439478 SilverDOG
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State your pov on "real issue".

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 13:30 | 4439640 Rukeysers Ghost
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State your pov on "real issue".


The lack of pillows in Sochi and Justin Bieber being deported. You know, the important stuff.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 19:20 | 4440601 DFCtomm
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You should know about bullshit, because what you said is complete bullshit. What do you call 28 thousand soldiers on the border of an insane nuclear dictatorship? Hostages. As long as NK demands are "reasonable" we'll pay the tribute because we just don't want to deal with the problem.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 20:32 | 4440789 unbeing
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Dear Mr Durden,

    Please stop posting this shit.  You are better than that. And so are your readers.

Best Regards,


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 15:06 | 4445330 rotagen
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Puffer-Faced Homogenized Clowns.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:46 | 4438587 shutdown
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North Korea is an absolute Godsend for the military industrial complex. The occasional lobbed shells and harmless rants sprayed out by that poverty stricken little nation provides sufficient hype to justify trillions in additional projects. It's almost like the US military wants them, no, NEEDS them, to stay just the way they are.  

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:55 | 4438621 NoDebt
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"It's almost like the US military wants them, no, NEEDS them, to stay just the way they are."

More to the point, so does China.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:14 | 4438933 willwork4food
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Umm. Why would China want them except to have the industrial complex make millions to spread out to the workers who buy Chinese goods?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:49 | 4439354 merizobeach
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China likes the status quo because North Korea is their ill-tempered bulldog on a leash.  It barks and barks, and while the neighbors complain, China can just shrug and say "dogs will be dogs!".  Everyone knows that if China let the bulldog off the leash, it would attack, and the neighbors would put it down.  Then they wouldn't have an "unaccountable, uncontrollable" menace with which to indirectly threaten their neighbors and the world.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:32 | 4439448 imapopulistnow
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Insightful, thanks.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 19:31 | 4440642 DFCtomm
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What he said had a complete lack of insight. NK is not going to go attacking it's neighbors like a rabid dog. NK barks when it wants a treat, and since nobody, not even China, wants to deal with the little shit hole they toss it a treat, as long as it doesn't demand too much.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 00:44 | 4441383 merizobeach
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"a complete lack of insight."

Complete, huh?  You're a shithead.  Perhaps using your thesis, you can explain North Korea's shelling of one of the South's military installations and the sinking of one its submarines, both in the past few years.  History, bitch--learn some.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 05:24 | 4441670 DFCtomm
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Has there been a counter attack? No, and that is my point. The government may not be able to feed it's people but they could write text books about how to leverage a limited nuclear power to extort the world, even China. It's an insight you don't grasp. NK isn't a dog, but an itch that the world can't reach, so it's tolerated.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 08:23 | 4444580 merizobeach
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I disagree.  North Korea is a stooge of China's greater interests.  Would you argue that they developed nuclear weaponry and so much other military hardware without China's assistance?  Without China enforcing the status quo, North Korea would have already folded and been assimilated by the South.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:58 | 4438636 El Oregonian
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JPM is caught with co-opting/co-mingling information with NYPD-CIA-FED's-

Hagmann and Hagmann Report.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:01 | 4438638 Abi Normal
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Give it a break on the MIC okay, without it, we would be speaking German, or Russian, or whatever...what is it about you liberal-tarians, that a strong defense can be a good thing...yeah, the problem is the masters...we can agree on that much.  No solving this riddle till the pot boils over, hope you all are stacking as much lead as i am...ROFLMAO!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:19 | 4438663 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Give it a break on the MIC okay, without it, we would be speaking German, or Russian, or whatever...

...said Abi in his native dialect of whatever.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:34 | 4438706 Abi Normal
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Hey pudgy stooge, following me around like some lost puppy, you idiots talk about red pill blue pill and you take niether...lemme give you a heads up fluffy, you better pick a side and soon, cocksmoker!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:42 | 4438722 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Save the ad hominems, do you have something else to offer, something that could save your pitiful attempt at propaganda?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:16 | 4438779 Oh regional Indian
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I think his handlers told him to go be "real ornery" at ZeroHedge.


From the dipooplomat perspective, very strange to see ZH breaking down, slowly but surely. The decline.


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:39 | 4438817 NickVegas
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Come on dorks, fair and balanced, that is the hedge in nutshell.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:39 | 4438898 Skateboarder
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It's getting real old. I'm starting to not give a fuck as the insightless themes repeat themselves ad nauseum. Better to go read some books.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:41 | 4438949 zhandax
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Look at what Tyler has to work with.  It's not like the clown-suits trying to keep the status quo from collapsing ever come up with anything original.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:25 | 4439083 Keyser
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Perhaps, but why beat the dead horse that is NK? They are harmless and are only allowed to exist until the MIC can get the US people maneuvered into position to accept an attack on KJU... That and gauging backlash from the PRC... Same as it always was, rinse and repeat...



Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:50 | 4439100 zhandax
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Same as it always was, rinse and repeat...

Exactly my point... it's not like the clowns perpetrating this ponzi ever come up with anything new...why should the reporting be expected to be more original?   Let's face it, this what the 'news' is gonna look like until the wheels fall off, bitch! (Quote from Motley Crue {if ya really want, I can post the video})

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:13 | 4439187 Abi Normal
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I merley speak the truth fellas, you speak yours, and we'll see who is right in the end.  I have been attacked here since day one for speaking my mind, so I go on the offensive, like me or not, I am no govt shill...I have the same disdain for it as you.  But since we are a shade of gray apart, you call me a lunatic, or whatever; I just wish I could cut through all this BS for you, so you can see the light, but you refuse!  Good luck with your neive thought process.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 13:45 | 4439673 shovelhead
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at least we can spell naive.

You sound like you argue with squirrels in the park.

No doubt they find you tiresome as well.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 15:05 | 4439905 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You sound like you argue with squirrels in the park.

No doubt they find you tiresome as well.

Neighborhood cats are always trying to cover him with sand.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:15 | 4439132 tip e. canoe
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yes, seems the bots picked up too many triggers and the call was put out.   if nothing else, this place has been a fascinating open experiment on herding cats and other assorted wild animals.    when it could get real interesting is when a critical mass of the cats figure out that they are being herded and precisely how.

like now, for instance.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:01 | 4438862 ThroxxOfVron
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"Give it a break on the MIC okay, without it, we would be speaking German, or Russian, or whatever..."

Oh, yeah; the punks that dropped the bomb on Japan but stood back and let Russia carve up most of Eastern Europe and the Caucuses for decades instead of dropping one or two more and pushing the evil iron curtain right back to the pre-WW2 borders or further?

Why did the US 'fight' a long semi-global Cold War in Asia, let the fuckers nest in Cuba and Central America, etc. IF one or two payloads over St. Petersburg would have precluded wasting decades in American interventions -trillions in 'policing' and 'nation building' and 'supporting our allies' ????

The MIC is the biggest leech on this pig and has been since the Nazi rear-guard was quietly put on the payroll and waltzed past the security check-points at Langley.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:31 | 4439088 Keyser
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One of the saddest days in history for the MIC was the fall of the USSR as they no longer had a boggieman to vilify, plot and plan against, build up billions in weapons of war and removed the primary purpose for our military deterrent... Since then they have been stoking the "global terrorism" mantra which they created themselves... All to keep the public in fear of yet another boogieman,.. It's all bullshit and time for it to stop...


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:05 | 4439122 tip e. canoe
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oh methinks they front-ran the fall just fine to set them up for many years to come unforutnately.

the Boogeyman may change, but the Game remains the same.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:33 | 4439153 Abi Normal
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Oh, yeah; the punks that dropped the bomb on Japan but stood back...

LOL, I see history is not your strong suit...I do wonder this, do you know why we dropped the abomb fella?

Let me give you a invade Japan the conventional way, would have cost over a million American/allied soldiers lives.  We killed a bunch of innocents, sure we did, it was not pretty, matter of fact very ugly.  In the end it saved lives, net net, but you all would never see it that way.

I never said the MIC was great and good, but a necessary evil...because the inherent nature of man is evil in this world.   There are a lot of folks out there that would love to see us fry.

As to the CCCP, yeah to start another world war, just after defeating the axis, would have been the thing to do eh?  Wasn't there enough death for you all, that is the flipping hypocricy that I talk about here.

Ever microwaved popcorn?  Ever spoken on a cell phone?  Maybe you should read up on that, just two little things developed by the MIC, that we use every day.  There can be some good to come out of war, in that regard.  But I will be misconstrued as some govt shill here in anarchy land for pointing this out...oh well...downvote me bros, it doesn't mean a hill of beans to me.  

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:17 | 4439195 SilverIsKing
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Did they also create buttered popcorn? If so, then I totally understand and agree.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:38 | 4439223 Abi Normal
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LOL, you got me on that one...good on ya!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 15:36 | 4440005 TheFourthStooge-ing
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LOL, I see history is not your strong suit...

...said the obedient consumer of US Government-approved narratives.

I do wonder this, do you know why we dropped the abomb fella?

Yes, do you?

"The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing ... I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower

"It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."
-- Admiral William D. Leahy, presidential Chief of Staff to FDR and Truman

"My staff was unanimous in believing that Japan was on the point of collapse and surrender."
-- General Douglas MacArthur, Commander of US Army forces in the Pacific, on why he thought the dropping of the atom bombs was unnecessary

"The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs did not defeat Japan ... It seems clear that air supremacy and its later exploitation over Japan proper was the major factor which determined the timing of Japan's surrender and obviated any need for invasion."
-- United States Strategic Bombing Survey, 1946 report

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:08 | 4439182 cherokeepilot
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Are you the replacement for "fonestar"?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:12 | 4439282 Abi Normal
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who the fuck is fonestar?  who the fuck cares what you think anyway?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:35 | 4439322 Dr. Destructo
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I don't think we can replace Fonestar; the void would be too great.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:47 | 4438591 ApollyonDestroy
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One day it'll be the real EMP's and it won't be cities being destroyed but rather our way of life

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:40 | 4439097 Keyser
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Do you really think that anyone can generate an EMP pulse strong enough to take out the entire power grid nation wide in the US? If so, time to stop reading infowars...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:14 | 4439288 Abi Normal
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In a word, you are "neive", sad little creature.  One EMP detonated in the right place takes the grid completely down.  Several manual attacks on certain substations and the same...

You think our grid is protected?  You think it cant go down?  bwahaahahaahahaha, moron!  Time to pull your head out of your ass junker!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:44 | 4439488 Abi Normal
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Sad little mystery downvoters, you use the red arrow pretty well, back it up sometime will ya?  You all haven't got a clue as to what is really going on in the world, yet you are the experts...petty little tin-pot junkers is all you are.

You have no arguement to superior logic, so therefore you junk anon....good for you!  ROFLMAO

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:46 | 4438593 El Tuco
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Does anyone even take them seriously anymore? They talk the talk but will never walk the walk.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:01 | 4438596 Dr. Engali
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Meh..... Who cares? He will stomp and scream, then old Yeller will print him some funny money Bernanke bucks, and he'll slither away for a few more months. Probably pound his pud to his life sized Dennis Rodman poster. More MIC propaganda.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:57 | 4438747 disabledvet
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yep. perrty much. "there's only room in this world for one irrational actor...and that's the USA."

And if we go according to the script presented in this article we'll launch a pre-emptive strike "just because no one saw it coming"...least of all "the people in charge" making sure that doesn't happen.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:50 | 4438600 I am a Man I am...
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just to keep their peeps in check, it's all bullshit, all bark and no bite

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:48 | 4438604 GFKjunior
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Who cares about NK, what’s going in Venezuela?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:00 | 4438605 fockewulf190
Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:49 | 4438606 Hulk
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his picure just makes me want to punch him in the face...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:53 | 4438608 NoDebt
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North Korea is China's bitch.  They'll let him do as much as they allow him to do and not the slightest bit more.  It's China's "instability on command" card.  North Korea is a puppet state.  Pay more attention to who's pulling the strings.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:22 | 4438672 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's China's "instability on command" card.

It's China's "despot on demand" channel.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:38 | 4438719 are we there yet
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To counter your argument that north Korea is a full puppet of China..... Well, if it is a puppet, they aren't getting paid much. The country is starving, literally. That would mean that China is a cheapscape. OOps, I lost my own argument, China is never generous to others (except their own politicians).

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:47 | 4438836 Overfed
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Kim Jong Un and his inner party and military commanders live very well. That's all that matters in NK.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:49 | 4438609 walküre
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Kim Jong-Un ate all the Twinkies he could buy before they stopped production.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:53 | 4438615 Randoom Thought
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This moron should be banned from posting anywhere. Low quality fear porn.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:21 | 4438677 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's from The Diplomat, the short bus of foreign policy.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:56 | 4438617 HyperinflatmyNutts
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RED DAWN..  Bitches 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:23 | 4438676 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Loved the original.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:31 | 4438701 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Loved the original.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:59 | 4438637 laomei
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North Korea: primitive missile and small nuclear tests - provocation

US: live fire drills, hypersonic missile tests, sanctions, seizure of ships, violations of airspace - not provocation


Got it.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:04 | 4438640 Abi Normal
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Damn, for a communist, you finally got something right, bitch!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:58 | 4439380 merizobeach
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For a cocksucker, you talk an awful lot. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:47 | 4439497 Abi Normal
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for a dumbass you sure spout off a lot, with nothing to back it up...go back to reading comic books cocksmoker, that is where you get your info anyway.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:49 | 4439237 kurt
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HOW ABOUT ultra powdered Uranium 238 wafting around our troops every where we go. The Romans salted the Cathaginian's wheat fields which settled a pesky rival for good. The U.S. is salting the earth (every where the troops fire weapons) with "depleated uranium" highly radioactive. I never voted for this or any of the multiple actions our SICK government has engaged in.

When vengence comes upon us please remember I never voted for nor supported poisoning your children. Please remember.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:11 | 4438647 tickhound
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LMAO you can tell even the hardcore pugs on here don't know what to make of this "pretext for war" bullshit zh is posting.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:02 | 4438752 NoDebt
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Because the war has already started.  It's by proxy this time.  

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:18 | 4438656 Pseudo Anonym
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did denis rodman put them up to it while shooting baskets?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:21 | 4438664 Jack Burton
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Better to keep one's eye on Ukraine, that is where the high stakes game is underway, we are talking about NATO moving to within a few hundreds of miles of Moscow, taking over a nation that is nearly half Russian and occuping the Crimea where the Russian Black Sea fleet is based. North Korea plays some bizzare games, no doubt, but NATO is launching the most amitious offensive since Hitler crossed the Soviet borders. Right now the winter olympics are in southern Russia, and the front is quiet, these games will soon be over, everybody goes home, and the USA/EU/NATO will launch the final offensive. Nothing since the Cuban missile crisis has this level of potential. But yes, I think the US military industrial complex is actually so full of it's self and so confident that no matter what games they play, they can not lose, and should they meet a set back, it will be all the more reason to increase military spending even higher, and to increase the total spy program to levels never dreamed of. I think the next 12 months are critical for the world, this is not a game with NK, this is a game with Russia, and don't think China is prepared to lose the only  cooprerative nation they have. Plus Syria and Iran are also in the mix and in play.

1939 was no more dangerous than 2014. Given nuclear weapons, 2014 could be more dangerous..

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:54 | 4438799 DoChenRollingBearing
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Jack, I have to disagree with you here.  Ukraine is already lost to Russia.  Everyone, even the dim bulbs at the State Dept. and the EU knows that.

Let Russia have its way with them.  Ukraine is THEIR neighbor, not ours.

We would not want Russia monkeying around in Mexico...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:55 | 4438855 Overfed
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I think Jack may have a point. O'bomb-a has fired most all of the senior military commanders who have any sense or loyalty to America. I really don't have to go into detail about the EU, which pretty much is NATO. There's a whole lot of stupid AND hubris "in charge" of the western world right now, and they can see the writing on the wall with regards to the funny money they have been passing off for the last 100 years. "May you live in interesting times" is the curse. We live in interesting times. 1939 interesting.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:22 | 4438885 RaceToTheBottom
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Sometimes with Russia, they cannot see what is in front on them.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 04:13 | 4439003 Lore
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Please continue.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:21 | 4438678 A Lunatic
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Don't be fooled by don't be fooled foolishness..........

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:25 | 4438688 suteibu
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More scare-porn from the Diplomat.  I'd hate to see Zachary's nightmares.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:25 | 4438691 Spungo
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We should drop tons of marijuana on North Korea. People would have the desire to eat, but nothing to eat. Take that, you cunts!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:03 | 4439058 StychoKiller
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MJ is also edible, ya idjut!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:50 | 4438735 AUD
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What is this Diplomat?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:50 | 4438736 Surging Chaos
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Why is this nonsense on here? An impoverished country that still thinks it's the 1950's is in no position to be in a real provoking mood.

I guess a poster a handful of comments of above me nailed it: ZH needs more pageviews. Gotta give incoming neo-cons from Blaze/Town Hall/Breitbart something to look at. :/

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:48 | 4439319 Emergency Ward
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Apparently Global-War-Chief Obama is also lost in the 1950s (or has found a new excuse to intervene, which is so 21st Century-ish) as he dispatches bombers, tanks and troops, and initiates "war games" in South Korea.  Raw meat for his neo-progressive base which is sure to draw cheers from the neo-cons too.  (In contrast with NK: the US is financially capable of a great degree of provocation, relying on plunder from the US taxpayer.)

From a January 2014 article:

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:03 | 4438755 Diablo
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a BOLD prediction by some no-name clown with a blog. His next post will be "There will be some tensions in the middle east involving Israel".




Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:39 | 4438814 Silver_K-9
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Sounds like the Major Ed Dames "Killshot"...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:47 | 4438834 Make_Mine_A_Double
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South Korea interaction with the NORKs is appalling. The drive train in your KIA is made by slave labour in Kaesong - along with many other 'duty free' items.

Another fun fact is that among various NK money spinners has been importing nuclear and radalogical waste from all over N & S Asia for decades. When they finally collapse the North will make Fukushima look like Cape Cod.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 01:57 | 4441511 Yenbot
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If you keep spewing that yankee war dog propaganda, KFC, er, KJU is gonna have to rename your ocean to EAST SEA and BUILD WAR MONUMENTS TO STRIPPERS YOU MADE HAPPY and so on. Better stop while you can, or we'll bribe your Senator, MMAD...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 13:17 | 4438863 Seize Mars
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NK is a permanent wildcard suitable for playing by the Great Eye. They've been working this bullshit for a long time. Whenever they need it, they have NK shoot a missile into the ocean. Oh no! It was aimed toward Japan!


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:05 | 4438871 shinobi-7
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Isn't North Korea attitude convenient for all? How could Japan and the US justify more and more advanced weapons without the North Korean "provocations". They'd need to say something about China, the real "risk", and for now that's not possible.

So a decrepit North Korea is supposed to represent a risk for Japan with their skuds on steroid and nuclear devices which leave no radioactivity behind. For god's sake, I wonder if the spies don't make sure that a modicum of parts reach the hermit kingdom so that the "menace" don't look outrageously overblown!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:55 | 4438894 Johnny Cocknballs
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Worthless article offering no insight. 

And I'm sure from NK's perspective, it's the US that has ceaselessly engaged in provocations, then labelled NK's {inane} response the provocation.

It's a bit like how Israel and it's faithful apologists in the Times and elsewhere promote and print "they hit us {back} pieces" then use the relatiation as an excuse to kill lots and lots of people.

I don't know much about Mr. Zeck, but while he probably knows a decent amount about the topics on which he usually writes, I suspect he doesn't know much at all about Korea.

maybe he should read this:


I also know he's associated with at least two organizations, including a magazine published by the center for the national interest, which are little more than pro-Israel hawks pretending to not be neocons.

Center for the National Interest Leadership

Maurice R. Greenberg, Chairman

Henry A. Kissinger, Honorary Chairman

James Schlesinger, Chairman, Advisory Council

Dov S. Zakheim, Vice Chairman

Dimitri K. Simes, President


They are America's realist voice?  Greenberg and Zakheim are super Zios. They just happen to all be pro-Israel Jews at the top?  And all chickenhawk warmongers?  That's America's realist voice?


Nigga, please.



They've simply hijacked the world "realist" from the guys who wrote "The Israel Lobby" {who are}.


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:35 | 4438896 oooBooo
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Article misses one thing, the show for the domestic audience.

The NK government has to blame the poor living conditions on outside actors to stay in power. The primary audience to this show are the people it rules.

It's a thing governments do. The US federal government is fond of provoking foreign governments and others.  It does it to get the domestic audience here in the USA to back its desired actions.


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 04:11 | 4439005 Lore
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Two words: Foreign Aid.  Hence the old nickname "Gimme Kimmie."

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:42 | 4438950 Thurifer
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I am quite confident that if he was ever really going to start something, the last sound he would hear would be Chinese Special Forces kicking down his bedroom door.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:22 | 4438976 A. Buttle
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A lot of shit articles and shittier comments lately. Another one of my favorite websites slowly bites the dust.

It's almost as if someone is intentionally destroying the web with a bunch of controlled blather. 

Now who could that someone be, hmmmm.....? Could it be, oh, I don't know, ....SATAN!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:18 | 4439075 Bugsquasher
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Perhaps, and his name is Henry Kissinger.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:01 | 4439259 optimator
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Henry should be sent back to North Viet Nam and kept there till he finds the POW's he left behind.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:09 | 4439275 Bugsquasher
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Henry should be exchanged for the mssing POW's, even if it's only their bones.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:16 | 4439416 merizobeach
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And in that event that only POW bones are available, then I say we only trade Henry's bones.  I would hope that we could keep him alive during the extraction process.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 13:11 | 4439575 Bugsquasher
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Actually I'd like to see his severed head on a pike on permanent display at the VN Vets Memorial Wall as a warning to all others who would perpetuate useless wars.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:47 | 4438989 Rising Sun
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ZH forgot to mention that North Korea is also hosting a dwarf tossing contest starring none other than Kim Jong Un.


Free beer and pretzels for those who can make it.


The world loves you Kim Jong Un.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:56 | 4438998 kurt
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They said John Foster Dulles had an "inherent bad faith model" of the Soviet Union. He was able to convince us that, not matter what, they would seek to do us harm by subterfuge, that all "good" behavior was a cover for something evil.

Who benefits by keeping things the same in North/South Korea? Private contractors, defense companies, encrusted military edifice. Find the stake holders: they paid for the bullshit you just read.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:02 | 4439260 Winston of Oceania
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I bet they were even behind the DPRK's revolution just to create this stalemate...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:06 | 4439060 Bugsquasher
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Anything coming out of any organization that has Henry Kissinger's name attached to it should be both distrusted and discounted.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:13 | 4439071 SystemOfaDrown
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Rodman just got out of rehab, send him back with Shaq, Scotty Pippin, and David Robinson.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:35 | 4439094 blindman
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Everywhere Chinese People

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 10:52 | 4439242 roadhazard
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paper tiger

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4439266 AdvancingTime
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Less then a year ago in the spring of 2013 the eyes of the world were on North Korea. At the time I wrote an article outlineing how important and dangerous the situation was. North Korea was banging on the drums of war and if things got out of hand it had the potential could become a major disaster. Things have not changed all that much, for more on the impact of a military blow up in that area of the world you can view that post below,

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:27 | 4439336 Dr. Destructo
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South Korea doesn't want to improve relations with North Korea, and why would they? They're one of America's proxies in the region, and America will accept peace if it is on their terms and ONLY their terms. Accept peace with America and find a shit ton on military bases in your country that won't ever shut down in order to lessen the debt of the merge; why would NK want that?

Additionally, If South Korea merges with North Korea they'd find themselves in the same position as Germany when they were merging with their other half: A massive amount of debt that needs to be paid off. Either way the merging of the two Koreas is at each other's disadvantages from these two point-of-views.


Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:50 | 4439358 swmnguy
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If we were really worried about North Korea we'd work a deal with China and South Korea to just open up the borders and hand out food--outside North Korean territory.  Then open up KFC and McDonalds outlets all across NK except not in Pyongyang.  But it works better for our strategic interests, and China's, (and certain SK factions as well) to keep NK as a perpetual bogeyman for whenever it suits our purposes.  Same for Cuba; our embargo is all that has kept Castro in power, and that's not unintentional.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:38 | 4439468 loveyajimbo
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The best way to deal with radical terrorists is to stop all funding, including humanitarian.  Works well on dictators like Obongo and fatboy jong-Il.

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