This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden

Tyler Durden's picture




 

Former Congressman Ron Paul has launched a petition to attempt to garner clemency for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The "Demand Clemency for Edward Snowden" petition includes the clip below, Paul calls on supporters to sign the petition in an attempt to bring Snowden home to the US safely before his temporary visa in Russia expires in July.

On the heels of his son Rand Paul's lawsuit against the Obama nd the NSA seeking to stop its collection of phone metadata, Ron Paul states "Edward Snowden shocked the world when he exposed the NSA’s illegal and abusive spying program. Instead of applauding him for his bravery and patriotism, the U.S. government labels Snowden a traitor."

By signing this petition, Paul notes on his Channel's website, "you are telling the US government that Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment."

 

Ron Paul's petition plea...

 

Click image below to link to Petition:

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:04 | 4437788 HyBrasilian
HyBrasilian's picture

By signing this petition, Paul notes on his Channel's website, "you are telling the US government that Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment."

 

Translation:  "you are telling the US government that want to be FIRST IN LINE at the FEMA camp"

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:10 | 4437818 kito
kito's picture

you are on zh, you are already moved to the front of the line.

 

for what its worth (probably not much) i just signed it. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:17 | 4437827 Jack Napier
Jack Napier's picture

Signing a petition gets things done, eh? Funny, I thought people signed one to End the Fed.

For those who don't know, Dr. Paul is the only person in his family who isn't in the Masonic Order. That's how he maintains plausible deniability for being a gatekeeper. He's been at this for 3 decades. If people "in the know" are still relying on him we really are screwed.

Does nobody remember HR 1207 being gutted after all those money bawms? Dude is exploiting your hopes and dreams America. Grow a pair and do something for yourselves.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:17 | 4437833 ZerOhead
ZerOhead's picture

Paul/Snowden 2016

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:19 | 4437836 Jack Napier
Jack Napier's picture

3 downvotes for my post, yet zero replies. Quantify it if you can trolls.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:26 | 4437856 Jack Napier
Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:50 | 4437926 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

I don't know, Jack. I didn't down vote you and I did sign the petition. On the other hand, I really don't believe in anything anymore, least of which being heroes or saviours. Epistemological crises everywhere.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:03 | 4437968 TeamDepends
TeamDepends's picture

Dr. Paul has delivered 4,000 babies.  He has also seen a lot of pussies who were afraid to take action.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:38 | 4438071 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Ron Paul is most close as USSA has for hero. Surprise Mr. Ron Paul is still live.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:59 | 4438135 lostintheflood
lostintheflood's picture

Ron Paul is most close as USSA has for hero.

i think i'd vote for edward snowden...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:15 | 4438174 Thought Processor
Thought Processor's picture

Careful with that one.  

I think Snowden is CIA.  He was an officer in the CIA and then went to Booze Allen which might as well be an offshoot of the CIA itself.  Once you go CIA you are there for life.  And you certainly don't turn against them.  It would be suicide, with no where to hide.

He began attacking the NSA right after the whole Bengazi thing exploded.  

He's a limited hang out that is attacking the one agency (NSA) that most likely could have outed the whole illegal Arab Spring Fiction.  His purpose is to put pressure on the NSA and put them on the defensive as a big warning.  And it worked.  

Also the CIA and the FSB (formerly the KGB) work together all the time now.  After Russia collapsed a special covert CIA related fund was set up to buy up the assets (on the cheap) from corrupt state officials.

They own the joint.  Bought and paid for.

If Snowden were a real national security threat he would have been neutralized by now.

Simple as that.

 

 

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:15 | 4438353 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

TP

You've done your homework.  Much of what you said carries some weight, but I'll part company on the ever so cozy relationship idea between CIA and FSB.

To some extent they are always engaged to one another for information, but I don't buy for one minute that they are "on the same team".

Having said that, what I wouldn't give to have Vlad make a very public statement about who did 9/11 (which he certainly could) given his knowledge on the subject.  Something tells me many things will be "on the table", if the U.S. keeps screwing with Russia on it's 50 year old business partner in Syria and it's centuries old neighbor that the likes of Pyatt and Nuland seem hell bent to fuck with.

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:34 | 4438409 Thought Processor
Thought Processor's picture

 

That's fair.  This is after all, pure speculation in my part.  Though only after having learned a thing or two about how the world really works.

For further info. on the above for anyone who is interested, feel free to read the following:

Link:  http://911scholars.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=3488444%3ABlogPost%3A37385

My advice would be to print both out and save them to your drive.   It's heavy reading but well worth it.

Peace.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:03 | 4438466 tip e. canoe
tip e. canoe's picture

Erle Cocke Jr. was an interesting man for sure.    someone should make a movie out of his life.

be careful w/ downloading anything from scribd though, ghostery picks up 45 trackers on that site, fyi.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:11 | 4438485 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Ya, snowden is a fucking hero, and the paulbots are on the trail, sign that doc dudes!!! LOL, fucking morons.  That idiot gave away more national secrets than all the traitors combinded - worship him zero heads, you idiots!

I wonder how many people have been exposed overseas due to his recklessness, we already knew about NSA, what has he really given us, proof?  ROFLMAO, the NSA has been spying on us for DECADES! Morons!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:48 | 4438592 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

Looks like Abi has gone off his meds again.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:49 | 4438597 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Puleeze, spare me the moronic witt you moron!  You idiots have no idea the damage he could have done to our country, and yet you priase him...ugh!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:51 | 4438612 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Yep, you experts are sooooo savvy! Just junk, is all it is, worthless, unadulterated junk.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:55 | 4438623 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

.

Puleeze, spare me the moronic witt you moron!

Heh, Abi does seem to have quite a surplus of it already.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:37 | 4438717 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

still in your mama's basement, cant find a job?  let me repeat so you get it:

Hey pudgy stooge, following me around like some lost puppy, you idiots talk about red pill blue pill and you take niether...lemme give you a heads up fluffy, you better pick a side and soon, cocksmoker!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:58 | 4438744 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

That is free entertainment.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:09 | 4439125 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

LOL, no again you are wrong, you pay for ISP service, so it ain't free, you even pay taxes to be on the net.  See how easy it is to show how wrong you cobbleheads are?

Got any more gems for me fluffy?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:09 | 4438491 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Yes, it is pure speculation on your part and laying aside the illegal, unjust and the outright Fourth Amendment unconstitutionality of it all...

For one thing, Snowden didn't recieve money (or in kind renumeration) from any foreign power for his actions. He's in Russia because the US revoked his passport to fuck with him, he had to stay in a Russian airport for how long because of US intrigue?

Hardly CIA.

For another thing (for my "right wing" friends out there, what does it say about about your comfort level that EVERYONES personal data being "secure" in a .gov database that can be breached so easily, copied and released by a high school dropout under their very noses?

Think ObamaCare now...and Snowden.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:25 | 4438532 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Everyone is speculating, yet everyone is an expert, LOL!  I guess you all were there to see and hear everything. How do you know he got no money, cause he said so?  ROFLMAO...all you experts are so far in left field it is not even funny, wankers!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:39 | 4438818 nmewn
nmewn's picture

I don't often fuck around with weirdos but when I do...I prefer abinormal ones.

Stay retarded my friend.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:04 | 4439121 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Awww, struck a nerve did I, you and your anarchist, liberal-tarian friends can't stand to be corrected or told something new...and that is your problem...you all think you're so right about everything.  Well, you aren't right about everything, matter of fact you idiots are wrong about most of the BS you post.

Jam it, peanutbutter!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:49 | 4438907 TheMeatTrapper
TheMeatTrapper's picture

Snowden was never a CIA officer. He was a contractor. Big fucking difference.

Oh, and by the way, as far as the "CIA for life" thing - you have NO idea what you are talking about. None whatsoever. 

The CIA has Officers, it has security guards, it has secretaries, it has recruiters, it has cafeteria cooks and it has janitors that work for it. 

Grow the fuck up. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:56 | 4439374 Thought Processor
Thought Processor's picture

 

ORLY?

Google Harder.

 

"A Reuters report stated that from 2005 to mid-2006 he worked for a classified intelligence agency in Washington, DC.[58] He joined the CIA in 2006.[59] In May 2006 Snowden wrote in Ars Technica that he had no trouble getting work because he was a "computer wizard". In August he wrote about a possible path in government service, perhaps involving China, but said it "just doesn't seem like as much 'fun' as some of the other places".[53]

In 2007, the CIA stationed Snowden with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland, where he was responsible for maintaining computer network security.[60]Snowden described his CIA experience in Geneva as "formative"."

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:13 | 4438173 ebear
ebear's picture

"Surprise Mr. Ron Paul is still live."

Fact begs question why.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:37 | 4438561 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Because maybe he was a useless politician?  Brilliant man, a quite bit nieve about the world, but smart as hell, finances are his thing, doctoring is his thing, but not politics and spying...nice try though!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:45 | 4438088 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

Crises Crises; you can't get away.

Crises Crises; you can't get away.

Crises Crises; I need you on my side 'cause there's a crisis...

And you can't get away.

M.Oldfield

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:33 | 4437870 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

Trolls don't have anything other than an emotional fat finger.

I lean your way over his performance. I'm no expert on the Mr. Paul's long term history other than he being the guy dubbed Dr. No.

What, after 30 years tramping the halls of that shop of horrors he hadn't formed any meaningful alliances? If that is true then there are only two explanations for it; There aren't "A Few Good Men" in that shit bowl or he wasn't really trying. Yeah, yeah, the press and his own son happened to him but why didn't he rally us at Tampa when he had the chance? "Oh, no. Let's all be nice, now. We don't want to create any waves for the GOP at the national convention, which might embarrass the party, do we?". 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:45 | 4437894 Overfed
Overfed's picture

I'll go with the lack of good men in the shitbowl known as Congress. I know I sure can't name any.  Dr. Paul was probably the last good man to ever grace the halls of Congress. In other words; we're fucked.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:47 | 4437915 Mercuryquicksilver
Mercuryquicksilver's picture

I ASSumed that Sr. Paul played nice at convention to earn points for Jr. Paul.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:49 | 4437930 Overfed
Overfed's picture

If that were the case, one would think that Sr. Paul would have gone ahead and endorsed Ro-money. Which is something he flatly he refused to do. I will agree that  it would be nice if the good Dr. would slap a little sense into his kid.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:57 | 4437959 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

He had his chance. There was a disposals bucket in the delivery room.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:51 | 4437929 whatthecurtains
whatthecurtains's picture

Anyone that starts with the Masonic order drivel doesn't really deserve a reply do they?    Perhaps you'd like to amend your post and name the good Dr. Paul a leader if the Illuminati or better yet he is one of the Foucault's Pendulum gang of three?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:24 | 4438195 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

No secret society clubby conspiracies here. Move along, now. Wink, wink; nudge, nudge. Let's shake on our new relationship.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:29 | 4438398 john39
john39's picture

Kennedy warned about secret societies for a very good reason.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:59 | 4439173 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

National security?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:51 | 4437937 kito
kito's picture

i know some masons, they certainly arent free. they charge a small fortune these days. its hard to find a qualified one, especially to build a masonry heating system. why do you dislike masons, especially ones that dont charge you?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:53 | 4437944 Mercuryquicksilver
Mercuryquicksilver's picture

I agree with you philosphically. Until people leave the comfort of their keyboard and hit the streets to bitch about things, nothing will change. Signing an online petition gets as much done as attacking the petitioner.... Nothing. Signing a petition is catharsis, complaining about it is hypocritical.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:08 | 4438158 Race Car Driver
Race Car Driver's picture

> ... yet zero replies.

Anonymous downraters are pussies. No balls.

I bumped ya. Ron Paul and Ed Snowjob are cartoon characters and Ron Paul - who is out of government yet still gets a microphone to do useless shit with - speaking out for Snowjob is a sideshow.

I know why ZH still posts dumb shit from Ron Paul - but it's getting old.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:33 | 4438537 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

The Liberal-tarians tear me up man, ZH is a fucking joke, when it comes to this kind of mess!  Finances, etc, yes, ZH is top notch, but with the politics and intreague, not so much!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:27 | 4439307 Woodhippie
Woodhippie's picture

"Anonymous downraters are pussies. No balls."

+1 for that comment as I couldn't agree more.

Everything else not so much.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:12 | 4438931 acetinker
acetinker's picture

I don't use the arrows, especially the red one.  However, your assertion that RP is a gatekeeper is most likely correct.

Don't get me wrong, RP helped me greatly along my path.  I donated to his campaigns and money bombs.  Just when "victory" seemed so close at hand, he quits.  Twice.

Like I said, he started me down a path that I may have never otherwise found, but left me short.  The path has gotten narrow and dark where I am now.  RP is somewhere, back there, behind me.  Every now and then I bump into someone else, just as lost as me, but still looking for some light.  May God bless you all.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:17 | 4437840 jbvtme
jbvtme's picture

why isn't he better off where he is?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:00 | 4437948 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

What's this shit about "clemency" Dr, Paul? Doesn't "clemency" imply guilt? Clemency is forgiveness for wrong doing. Has a trial been held where Snowden was found guilty? You know the meaning of this word and have used it deliberately. Politicians chose their words carefully and both you and your miserable offspring have been at this game long enough to know what youare doing.

That's twice I've heard this "Clemency" proposal, for a person who hasn't even had a trial and was just doing his job under oath and has paid the price for heroic behaviour, which all of us should be supporting. Your lower than snake shit son proposed the same thing a few weeks ago, using the same word, big-noting himself on the airwaves, inserting into the debate that word and trampling on the face of a hero, using the situation to promote himself, which I can understand, but now you? 

If he wasn't guilty before, he is now. Good on you Pauls!

Have you already condemned him or are you just being disingenuous with your selection of words, thereby promoting yourselves as the good guys.

clem·en·cy

  1.
the quality of being clementdisposition to show forbearance, compassion, or forgiveness in judgingor punishing; leniency; mercy. 2.
an act or deed showing mercy or leniency.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:16 | 4438180 SilverDOG
SilverDOG's picture

Clemency is being requested from those who have declared Snowden, gulity.

Please show and define alternative beyond 1776 in 2014.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:36 | 4438229 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

"Clemency is being requested from those who have declared Snowden, gulity."

Who the fuck are "they" to pre-empt due process? Who the fuck are "they" to ignore his responsibilities pertaining to his constitutional oat? Who the fuck are these people? Traitors to the constitution at the top and useful idiots below.

"Please show and define alternative beyond 1776 in 2014."

I can't see one. When the time comes, will you stand up?

Even if Snowden is a CIA operative with another agenda, his hidden agenda' message wasn't the message that patriots to the constitution recieved. I received the message that here was one good man deliveriing on his oath. Whatever the other message was supposed to be, it was lost on me.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 13:14 | 4439586 SilverDOG
SilverDOG's picture

"They" are the multifaceted TPTB in the US govt.& elsewhere, mired in sustainment of self presevation.

The pursuit of such endlessly narrows POV of, removes foresight, and curses with ultimate demise.

One can not differentiate USA from any historical empire collapse, beyond numeral smoke screens.

Constitutional violations are as common as streetlights in Jersey.

To assume otherwise is foolhardy.

Snowden may have his place in history etched into stone, coined, and revered by future generations.

TPTB "they" have just begun to openly wield their sword within the USA above the LAW.

Within the Colonies, only 2% of the population "stood up" against foreign tyranny and succeeded.

I wholly doubt we would be so lucky today, as timing is perfect for total domination.

View avg age of, comformity, and complete inabilities listing from writing to working, from willingness to walking.

Doomed I dare say.

I will not fight for the majority which has chosen to fail.

I will and do honor The Constitution, not suicidally thank you.

 

I have not voted upon your posts, comments only.

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 22:20 | 4441060 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

I wasn't suggesting a stand up in the field fight, in ranks, to take on these swine. I agree, no suicidal mission for the cause of Liberty necessary.I will not fight for the majority either. The fight for Liberty is a perennial battle, that much we were warned about but carrying the flag for the indolent masses will pay few dividends. The reasons for that insight are 1) they want to be ruled, 2) they need to be supported by government (in their own minds) as they have a greater fear of the reponsibility of independence.

At the end of this fall out they will still need their government to help them and so will have plenty of rulers offering them plenty of bribes to satisify their lazineess. The history of America shows they will have their way and the fight will have to be waged again. It is coming but it will be years from now. My istratedy of fighting the good fight is to stand up now and inform as many young people as I can about the differences between the two camps. This is part of the battle and I cop plenty of flak from the sheeple for raising these ideals. I have been ostracised from friends and family members but that is the price I will pay for my beliefs.  Preaching to the choir here in most cases. This place is just a sounding board for ideas. I learn a lot here and spread the word to those who don't frequent libertarian web sites. 

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:16 | 4437828 HyBrasilian
HyBrasilian's picture

@kito ^^^ You're not *really* on the front line until you get kicked OFF ZH

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:12 | 4437819 fuu
fuu's picture

Time to stop living in fear.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:57 | 4437945 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Hy

Agreed.  But I will tell you that the damage is already done and probably insurmountable for the likes of Clapper and his team.

What people fail to realize on the Snowden situation is that he had lots of help both from within and without. This wasn't a "one-man_show" even though it's being advertized that way by Greenwald and the rest of the media establishment. You can believe this or not believe this, but the NSA, CIA and FBI have much more to worry about with the minions currently under their control, because Ed represents many, many, more disaffected within the U.S. IC.

Another way of putting it is the electronic (eyes and ears) caught the flu but the HUMINT has double pneumonia and it started spreading with the DoD when the issue of torture became front and center in the war on terror when the lies to invade Afghanistan and Iraq got rolling, and the likes of the Bush Administration "un-moored" itself from the treatys they were obligated to but discarded as impediments including that one hanging up on the wall in the National Archives that's just about faded completely away into the ether.

How prophetic.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:24 | 4438197 fonzannoon
fonzannoon's picture

Hy

cheers

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:07 | 4438335 steelhead23
steelhead23's picture

Pussy

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 06:55 | 4439025 TeMpTeK
TeMpTeK's picture

Precisely,.. which is why everyone should sign it with "anonymous followed by their home state"... 

 

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:16 | 4437789 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

More circuses? Where's the fucking bread Ron?

This should be a good show.  Stay away from nail guns old man, TPTB are ruthless corrupt bastards...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:09 | 4437982 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Ol' Ron has nothing to worry about.

He had his chance to risk his own life like Senator Wellstone of Minnesota did but he "chose wisely", or should I say, "carefully"!

I'm sure Rand has his fathers back when he makes those frequent trips to Tel Aviv.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:02 | 4437795 ncdirtdigger
ncdirtdigger's picture

If I were younger, I'd name my next kid after him.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:04 | 4437796 PacOps
PacOps's picture

YaHoo! I'm on board.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:04 | 4437798 Smiley
Smiley's picture

He'd be dead before the plane ever landed.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:32 | 4437874 Its Only Rock N Roll
Its Only Rock N Roll's picture

The plane would not land with its wheels down. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:03 | 4437801 Gamma735
Gamma735's picture

Done, Honorable Dr. Paul.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:06 | 4437807 williambanzai7
williambanzai7's picture

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:17 | 4437809 JustObserving
JustObserving's picture

If he did something illegal then he may deserve clemency.  He put his life on the line to expose the illegal, infinite NSA spying.  He deserves a prize or two or three, not clemency.

95% in this world would agree that he deserves the Nobel Prize more than Obama.

The spineless, ungrateful, corrupt European parliament rejected moves to protect Snowden:

European Parliament kills call to protect Edward Snowden


By Bill Van Auken 
13 February 2014

 

Under intense pressure from both the Obama administration and national governments in Europe, a committee of the European Parliament has killed a measure calling for asylum and protection for National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden should he leave his temporary haven in Russia for anywhere within the European Union.

Not only did the panel reject an amendment Wednesday that would have called on EU members to offer to protect Snowden from persecution at the hands of US authorities, it excised any mention of his name from a 60-page report that is based entirely on the secret documents that he made public. These documents have exposed a massive spying operation against hundreds of millions of people in Europe, the United States and internationally. The report is slated to be submitted to the full Parliament next month.

Also rejected was an amendment calling on US authorities to drop attempts to prosecute Snowden under the 1917 Espionage Act.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/13/snow-f13.html

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:38 | 4437887 ZerOhead
ZerOhead's picture

"The spineless, ungrateful, corrupt European parliament rejected moves to protect Snowden:

                       European Parliament kills call to protect Edward Snowden"

 

There has been an widespread epidemic of 'spinelessness' amongst "The Free World's" politicians these days.

Since the citizens of these same nations overwhelmingly approve of Mr. Snowdens actions we can only be left to deduce that these same politicians and their respective governments are owned by entities other than the citizens they have sworn to serve.

It's called TREASON...

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:04 | 4437972 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

Spinelessnes runs deep in our nation and the nations of the "free" world. Perhaps it's just cluelessness. What are they putting in the water? 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:10 | 4437815 Peter Pan
Peter Pan's picture

How about an impeachment petition for Obama ?

Snowden will not come back until the hubris of the American nation has been humbled and men like Snowden are seen as true patriots.

With over 1000 bases, the world's reserve currency and the most powerful military, there is unfortunately much hubris left.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:18 | 4437835 Clycntct
Clycntct's picture

Dismantle that Mountain one grain of sand at a time.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:00 | 4437979 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

Should clemency be extended to Obama, Holder, Corzine, IRS heads, NSA heads, HSBC, JPM, and the BIS as well?  Oh wait. There hasn't been a trial......... yet.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:12 | 4437817 FearLess_FLY
FearLess_FLY's picture

I am going to read the petition very carefully. Then I am going to sign it. To paraphrase a great quote, "We must all hang together or we will all surely hang separately."

Thanks to Mr. Paul their is a place where I can take one step forward, and place my neck into the collective noose.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:11 | 4437981 Al Gorerhythm
Al Gorerhythm's picture

There, there.

Let there be a trial first.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:12 | 4437825 Omen IV
Omen IV's picture

Snowden deserves to come back to the USA a free man so he can become a US Senator from  California and replace the traitor to the 4th amendment known as .......... Feinstein

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:15 | 4437826 Tucson Tom
Tucson Tom's picture

The end does not justify the means.I detest the illegitimate spying of both the NSA and Snowden.He has done a great deal of harm to other programs and legitimate info gathering.We may have found out the extent of the NSA issues without Snowden doing doing what he has done.Clemency for him will encoureage more of the same amateur expose` of legitimate secrets.I admire Ron Paul,but not on this one!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:23 | 4437850 JohnG
JohnG's picture

So much fail in those statements.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:09 | 4438131 X-defiler
X-defiler's picture

So, if ten cops rape your mom, wife or daughter, and no one in the police department decides to hear your complaint, you are just going to let the thing slide and buy your victim a diaper because you don't want to break the law? Nice, where do you live?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:28 | 4438213 ThroxxOfVron
ThroxxOfVron's picture

Some men live on their knees, or even on their bellies; never raising their eyes or learning to stand up, shoulder a burden or advance a cause. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:04 | 4438150 SilverIsKing
SilverIsKing's picture

You must have two login IDs, huh?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:15 | 4437830 mrdenis
mrdenis's picture

Lets wait till he gets his Nobel peace prize first .............

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:17 | 4437837 williambanzai7
williambanzai7's picture

Land of the Free…

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:33 | 4438225 ThroxxOfVron
ThroxxOfVron's picture

WilliamBanzai7,

May I humbly suggest an alternate wherein the upraised hands of the assailed be filled with the Constitution -or better The Bill Of Rights- so that the Flag, the Dollar and the Rights Of Man each are duly represented and shown in context to their place in the present order.

Much respect, My Brother,

The Throxx Of Vron

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:18 | 4437842 DollarMenu
DollarMenu's picture

I think Snowden's visa will be extended for as long as it takes.

Did anyone see his last interview?

He's well fed, immaculately groomed; he's getting funds from somewhere, probably

a USSA Goverment agency annoyed with the NSA.

Not to say his disclosures are valueless, far from it, the discussions provoked by his actions may yet

provide meaningful changes.

I'm just saying, things may not be all that we are allowed to see.

IMO, ALL media is a propaganda, that which we can see is allowed, disclaimers not withstanding.

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2014/01/media-blacks-out-new-snowden-inter...

 

As to the R & R Paul show, they lost me after 2008, 2012, and the kid's Romney rimjob.

Something not quite right, no matter how resonant.

Anyone donating to one of RP's "money bombs" - can you find your donation on Open Secrets?

Many can not.

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:25 | 4437849 I Write Code
I Write Code's picture

Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment.

Oh, quite.  Immediate execution, por favor.  Don't fear the reaper.

 

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:25 | 4437854 Jendrzejczyk
Jendrzejczyk's picture

Signed.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:36 | 4437858 Bioscale
Bioscale's picture

Go and read something from Sibel Edmonds, Snowden is fraud. American hero, media need heros, americans need heros even more, TPTB know that veery well. CIA, NSA, circuses and petitions... wtf

Snowden, where is information on BANKS and 9/11? Fuck you!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:07 | 4437978 samsara
samsara's picture

You have Intent, and you have Effect.

Sometime it is said that;
"For the Right Man the Wrong Means Works the Right Way.
For the Wrong Man the Right Means Works the Wrong Way."

Regardless of Intent, The Effect has been that many many "Sheeple" now realize what the Gov. is doing. And they are slightly more distrusting of the Gov.

You may say that that is the Effect that they Wanted, But I would disagree.

Yes, I have read Sibel, (as I have for 10 years from the time she first went public on her translation stint for the Gov. and her tribulations since then.)

Yes, I would like the truth come out on 911 and the Real Perps, (Fuck you Cheney, Rummy, Bush the Younger, et al)

BUT, Snowden's effect has been Large. If nothing else to those abroad.

For that I am happy.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:01 | 4438142 X-defiler
X-defiler's picture

Actually, I think they deemed Glen Greenwald to be a fraud. He clearly is a corporate whore. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:09 | 4438342 ThroxxOfVron
ThroxxOfVron's picture

"Snowden, where is information on BANKS and 9/11?"

First: I upvoted You.

Second: IF the likes of Snowden AND Assange can not or will not deliver the goods We ALL know exists in some form and amount where the Banking Frauds are concerned; the answer to questions concerning their purposes and/or loyalties is self evident.

Third: IMHO, Sibel Edmonds is more credible than both Snowden and Assange, although I still can't figure out why she is still walking around pissing off TPTB unless She too is 'compromised'.

Circles.  -Round & fucking round, baby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmnab8vQKXs 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:04 | 4438921 chindit13
chindit13's picture

And "everybody who really knows" the truth about 911 most surely knows George Washington's blog and email, Zerohedge tips line, and even DavidPierre's web address.  The fact that none of these guys has released conclusive proof about who exactly was behind 911 shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that GW, ZH and DP are all al-CIA-duh, NSA and Mossad.  Toss in Alex Jones, too.

I do just love the New Logic. 

"Those who chase their own tails eventually find something that smells really bad."

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:29 | 4437860 Mi Naem
Mi Naem's picture

Anyone whose name is not yet on .gov's list of enemy, traitor, or extremist should sign this petition. 

If you are not against them, you are with them. 

BTW, you will also be put on the list for future emails from RPaul, but they will unsubscribe you quickly and unconditionally on request. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:01 | 4438917 TheMeatTrapper
TheMeatTrapper's picture

I agree. I signed it because I support Ron Paul and I support Ed Snowden. He gave up his comfortable existence to expose the crimes of our rulers. 

I want the Powers That Be to know in no uncertain circumstances that I, and many others like me detest them, consider them traitors and will fight them in any way I can. 

For the paranoid, cowardly assholes who think Snowden is some kind of inside job, I have one very simple question:

If Snowden is CIA and on a secret squirrel undercover brother type mission, why the hell is Putin protecting him?

Let me guess - Putin is a secret Illuminati plant working in cahoots with the CIA to put the NSA on notice. 

I mean, seriously? Do these fucknut idiots ever think about the bullshit they spout? 

While we're on the subject of fucknut idiots, I'd like the Ron Paul haters to tell me exactly who in Congress he should have formed alliances with???

Exactly which other Congress critters wanted to end the Fed? 

Jeez. You, these motherfuckers aren't worth the effort it takes to type a fucking response to. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:30 | 4437863 williambanzai7
williambanzai7's picture

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:59 | 4437958 pupdog1
pupdog1's picture

Now, for proper ying-yang and cosmic balance, you need a corresponding portrait of the disginguished general clapper.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:17 | 4438001 Clycntct
Clycntct's picture

Just the word of ---- ruins my day.

Don't even propose a view.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:29 | 4437864 new guy
new guy's picture

Clemency is something you give to someone who has done something wrong. Edward Snowden deserves an apology.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:35 | 4437876 Peter Pan
Peter Pan's picture

The real question is how can such a large cancer been growing for so long without any other person having the decency to out the evil?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:30 | 4438046 jmp esp
jmp esp's picture

While I'm not aware of any prior leaks on par with Mr. Snowden's, bits and pieces of information relating to similar and/or overlapping programs have been leaked over the years (ECHELON, CARNIVORE, Room 641A, etc). Small hints can even be found on the NSA's own website; for example, their interest in distributed computing and MapReduce. Not damning information in and of itself, but telling. Naturally, none of this stuff resonated outside of the tech industry until it was right out there in the open and easily digestable by the mass.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:02 | 4438149 X-defiler
X-defiler's picture

Now you understand how Nazi Germany became a thing. People just go about their own selfish lives until they come for you. Now its a problem for you but others are just going about their own selfish lives. Welcome to a godless world. The bible seems to make more sense every day. 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:13 | 4438235 ThroxxOfVron
ThroxxOfVron's picture

"The real question is how can such a large cancer been growing for so long without any other person having the decency to out the evil?"

Are you fucking kidding???


The money was just soooo fucking good.

The checks just kept coming.

There was never a question of money.

There was never any bullshit about a budget.

The money was just soooo fucking good.

& the bennies.

& the money.

& the prestige.

& the money.

The money was just soooo fucking good.

 

What the hell is so hard to understand???

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:40 | 4438076 logicalman
logicalman's picture

ABSOLUTELY.

99.99% of Americans owe him a beer......

and then some!

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:31 | 4437868 Peter Pan
Peter Pan's picture

By the way, Edward Snowden is an anagram for WAND NEED SWORD or WORDS NEED WAND

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:33 | 4437878 Jam Akin
Jam Akin's picture

How about "Warden D Snowed"

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:46 | 4437913 samsara
samsara's picture

Thanks Tylers. :-)

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:46 | 4437923 Seasmoke
Seasmoke's picture

If I could sign my name bigger than John Hancocks name, I would.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:51 | 4437938 jmp esp
jmp esp's picture

The pols can't even stop the NSA from spying on them. This is a joke.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:55 | 4437952 pupdog1
pupdog1's picture

I thought that Al Frankin showed some statesman-like tendencies until the porky fuck voted for Kenyacare.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 18:59 | 4437957 lordylord
lordylord's picture

President Paul!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:41 | 4438085 logicalman
logicalman's picture

He wouldn't make a 'good' president, as he would probably go against his bosses wishes.

Anyway, he isn't bullet-proof.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 19:52 | 4438123 Bastiat
Bastiat's picture

Certainly the people who'd love to kill Snowden would respect his amnesty as much as the respect the 4th Amendment.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:22 | 4438190 Pumpkin
Pumpkin's picture

Run Edward, run!

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:27 | 4438191 monad
monad's picture

Hi

My name is Ron Paul. You might remember me from such long running psyops as the communist takeover of America since 1949, the dumbing down of America since 1930, Honey I sold the kids in 1913, or Fuck Andrew Jackson we own your dumb asses since 1865. Now I'm here to sell you some more bullshit...

Will you die for me?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:45 | 4438250 ThroxxOfVron
ThroxxOfVron's picture

IF Ron Paul had dropped babies as often as he dropped the ball in congress he woulda lost his license before I was born.

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 20:51 | 4438283 Brett Merkey
Brett Merkey's picture

 

 

I signed it.

Citizen Snowden put the rights and interests of the people of this country and of the world ahead of his own comfort and situation. When we have more like him, ready to fight, we will be closer to liberty.

 

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:05 | 4438329 Brett Merkey
Brett Merkey's picture

 

 

I see some comments in this thread that say "why bother, petitions do no good." 

This is correct in that petitions are ineffective in themselves. But signing this one is an act of solidarity. Take the step.

I see some attacks against Ron Paul. Don't know the guy, never voted for him and don't care about any crimes or heroics he may have done. The issue in the petition is solidarity with Citizen Snowden.  Ron Paul is not the issue. Focus.

 

 

 

 

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:21 | 4438365 ThroxxOfVron
ThroxxOfVron's picture

"The issue in the petition is solidarity with Citizen Snowden."

Are Paul, Snowden, Assaunge, etc.; nothing more than controlled oposition?

Are they fakes, frauds, deflections and deceptions?

Everybody has forgotten just as if not more credible inside-but-anti-establishment types that REALLY ended up taking it in the ass such as Jim Trafficant.

 

I'm a cynical bastard: I don't trust anyone who has been inside for as long as Paul or who was willfully emplyed for so long in the MIC/Police State machinery as Snowden.

Snowed never really spilled the details and named names; unless He did to Russia. WTF?

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 21:13 | 4438352 sleigher
sleigher's picture

Well at least Ron Paul is putting his time and energy to good use.  I mean, they want to ricin his ass on the way home from buying groceries.  The best way to defeat the opposition is to control it.  

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:02 | 4438749 sleigher
sleigher's picture

thanks for the down vote fanboi

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 22:01 | 4438462 Stuck on Zero
Stuck on Zero's picture

Snowden may get clemency but I'll bet he doesn't get his old job back.

 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:20 | 4438974 bunnyswanson
bunnyswanson's picture

Out of Business

Rubik's cube-shaped modern glass office building for sale. We don't need it anymore!

$5MM OBO

3 million sqft of floorspace, parking spaces for 18,000 cars. Cafeteria, drugstore, barbershop, post office, ticket counter for major airlines and bank included.

Also included: world's largest supercomputing cluster, 100 megawatt power hookup to Baltimore Gas & Electric and very very very very high-speed Internet (all the fiber optic lines).

Building is fully clad with one-way dark glass lined with copper shielding. Site also includes 10 acres of underground structures and a dedicated highway off-ramp.

Please note, Craigslist limits listings to 999,999 sqft, but this property has 3 million sqft!

 

https://baltimore.craigslist.org/off/4330071523.html

Fri, 02/14/2014 - 23:12 | 4438650 I Write Code
I Write Code's picture

The only revelation from Snowden is how weak NSA's internal security is, and even that should be no huge suprise.

All his other "revelations" were either known, suspected, or expected.  His actions are prima facie violations of every secrecy laws on the books up to and including treason.

So, the net value I get from doing the math is that he's a traitor, a self-righteous twit and too stupid to even know if what he's got is valuable or not.  I have some tiny sympathy for him even so, because 99.9% of stuff that the government classifies is garbage and it's always good to shine some light on that.  But if it's even possible to make himself look worse he did so by running off to China and Russia.  That's either knowledge of guilt or else piling treason on treason.  Neither is mitigating in the courtroom.

He bought the ticket, now he takes the ride.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:09 | 4438767 royal
royal's picture

Edward Snowden - stay in Russia!

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:37 | 4438897 WTFUD
WTFUD's picture

'Clementines' for Bush&Blair

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:58 | 4438961 monad
monad's picture

You can do better bitch

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 02:59 | 4438962 monad
monad's picture

Gee does Ron Paul suck or is it me?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:06 | 4438966 monad
monad's picture

You can't do better. I'm holding in my head the physics you stupid monkeys want, and I don't want you to have it. Die.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:58 | 4439170 Mi Naem
Mi Naem's picture

You're right Gonad.  It's definitely you. 

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 20:52 | 4440799 monad
monad's picture

Non servium

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 20:50 | 4440830 monad
monad's picture

I should have naemed myself US Tax Slave. You'd like that better, wouldn't you? Its true. No Idols. I am not your enemy. But you have virulent enemies and you need to pick up your game. Guantanamo is our Gaza. Unless we organize Gaza is our future.

They killed my father.
You want me to what you want me to what you want me to what you want me to

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:10 | 4438971 monad
monad's picture

We are done.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 03:24 | 4438977 monad
monad's picture

Helooo? Does anyone think fucking is going to be better under this screw?? Hellooo?

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:49 | 4439106 Uncle Remus
Uncle Remus's picture

Given the attitude toward the Constitution, I'd have real doubts about any "petition". Then again, this likely isn't about Edward Snowden per se anyway.

 

*******************
Constitution in breach?
You must impeach.
*******************

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 09:46 | 4439161 d edwards
d edwards's picture

Agreed! The 0bozo regime makes up it's own version of the law as it goes along. Snowden embarassed the hell out of the regime by exposing the f-ing electronic Gestapo the N$@.

The regime are vindictive bastards.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 12:16 | 4439419 pipes
pipes's picture

...besides, if Snowden were back on US soil, it would be easier to 'suicide' him...

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 20:30 | 4440768 monad
monad's picture

Ron Paul isn't going to save you. You have to catch up and save yourself. You need to study history, law and crime, so you don't get eaten. And beaten.
I like Ron Paul's schtick. But I liked Rose Perot's shit too. While RP was debating NAFTA with Armand Hammer Gore, his son was betting the farm on Mexican slave labor.
Wake up. The only way we are going to prosper is to educate each other and stay out of foriegn feuds as TJeff and GW told us to.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 21:15 | 4440883 monad
monad's picture

Walk the path

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!