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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The American Dream blog,

Becoming more like Europe is not a good thing.  But that is the path that we are currently on.  For the most part, Europeans live in a socialist “Big Brother” system in which the government completely dominates your life from the cradle to the grave.  Of course there are differences from country to country, but generally speaking the lives of most Europeans are very tightly regulated.  You see, the truth is that high levels of individual liberty and freedom are considered to be “dangerous” by the European elite.  They believe that if we are all allowed to just do whatever we want that it would result in utter chaos.  They are convinced that life is better when those that are smarter (them) control the lives of everyone else. 

In essence, Europe is like a giant religious cult in many ways (minus the religion).  With each passing year, the number of rules and regulations governing the daily lives of Europeans steadily grows, as does the level of control.  If you try to live outside of that control, you could very well find yourself in a direct confrontation with the authorities very rapidly.

Just consider what is happening in Germany.  Authorities there have stated repeatedly that they do not believe in having any “parallel societies”, and therefore everyone must participate in the system that the government has established.

That includes all children.  In Germany today, almost all forms of homeschooling are illegal.  In fact, one judge shockingly ruled that one set of parents could not have custody of their children because they might move them to another country and homeschool them there

A judge has issued a stunning verdict in a homeschooling case in Germany, ordering that the parents cannot have custody of their children because the family might move to another country and homeschool, posing a “concrete endangerment” to the children.


Dirk and Petra Wunderlich’s case made international headlines in August when 20 armed police arrived with a battering ram and forcibly took their four children from their home in Darmstadt, Germany, and enrolled them in public school.


As WND reported at the time, the children, ages 7 to 14, were taken into police custody. They were allowed to return home three weeks later when their father and mother, given no choice by the federal bureaucracy in Germany, agreed to allow their kids to attend public schools despite their objection to the social and religious instruction there.

Are you starting to see what I meant when I compared Europe to a cult?

In Europe, government is god, and everyone and everything belongs to the government.

Apparently, that even includes the life savings of their own citizens.  The following is from a Reuters article that was just posted this week…

The savings of the European Union’s 500 million citizens could be used to fund long-term investments to boost the economy and help plug the gap left by banks since the financial crisis, an EU document says.

Did you catch that?  The EU apparently believes that they could use the private savings of their own citizens “to fund long-term investments” any time that they want.

But what if you don’t want your life savings to be invested in that way?

Too bad for you.

In fact, according to that Reuters article the EU wants to find ways to “mobilize more personal pension savings” so that there will be a larger pool with which to potentially fund long-term projects…

The Commission will ask the bloc’s insurance watchdog in the second half of this year for advice on a possible draft law “to mobilize more personal pension savings for long-term financing”, the document said.

In Europe, they also tend to love any “Big Brother” technologies that will allow them to watch, track, monitor and record the activities of their citizens.

For example, it has been reported that in the UK there are 1.85 million video cameras watching the population, and London has been called “the most watched city in the world“.

The control freaks in the UK are so paranoid that it is even illegal to carry a knife in public, but despite all of their crazy laws the rate of violent crime in the UK is still far higher than it is in the United States.

Now, the UK has decided that all of the medical records for the entire population will be gathered into a single database.  The following is from a recent TechDirt article

The UK government is currently building a database called that will contain all of England’s medical records. It’s being promoted as providing valuable information for healthcare management and medical researchers that will lead to improved treatment.

But this database will not be private.  In fact, it is being reported that information from this database will be sold to drug companies and insurance companies

Drug and insurance companies will from later this year be able to buy information on patients – including mental health conditions and diseases such as cancer, as well as smoking and drinking habits – once a single English database of medical data has been created.


Harvested from GP and hospital records, medical data covering the entire population will be uploaded to the repository controlled by a new arms-length NHS information centre, starting in March. Never before has the entire medical history of the nation been digitised and stored in one place.

How would you feel if that was being done to your private medical information?

Not that the U.S. is a bastion of freedom and liberty these days either.

For example, Infowars is reporting that the Department of Homeland Security plans to launch a “national license plate tracking system”…

The Department of Homeland Security is set to activate a national license plate tracking system that will be shared with law enforcement, allowing DHS officers to take photos of any license plate using their smartphone and upload it to a database which will include a “hot list” of “target vehicles”.


The details are included in a PDF attachment uploaded yesterday to the Federal Business Opportunities website under a solicitation entitled “National License Plate Recognition Database.”


The system will “track vehicle license plate numbers that pass through cameras or are voluntarily entered into the system from a variety of sources (access control systems, asset recovery specialists, etc.) and uploaded to share with law enforcement” in order to help locate “criminal aliens and absconders.”

And for many more ways that the U.S. is becoming a “Big Brother society”, please see my previous article entitled “32 Privacy Destroying Technologies That Are Systematically Transforming America Into A Giant Prison“.

Another way that America is becoming more like Europe is in the area of religious behavior.

At one time, Europe was a hotbed for religious faith.  Of course those days are long gone.  And the United States is now heading down the exact same path, although Europe is still way ahead of us.  The following is from a Pew Research survey conducted a few years ago…

Half of Americans deem religion very important in their lives; fewer than a quarter in Spain (22%), Germany (21%), Britain (17%) and France (13%) share this view.

So why has religion become so unimportant?

Well, it is because that is what the government system tells them to believe from the time that they are little children.

As I mentioned earlier, the government dominates your life from the beginning to the end in Europe.  This even includes decisions about ending your life.

In fact, in Belgium they actually want to extend the euthanasia law to children

Making the argument that everybody has the right to die, Karine Lalieux, a Socialist member of the Belgian House, is pushing legislation that would extend the country’s 2002 euthanasia law to minors under 18.


“Our responsibility is to allow everybody to live, but also to die, in dignity,’’ said Lalieux.

And in the Netherlands they actually have mobile euthanasia teams that go door to door helping elderly people end their lives in the comfort of their own homes.

Europe is not a model for the rest of us to follow.

Instead, Europe should serve as a stark warning to the rest of the world about what can happen when you let the control freaks get too much control.

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Sun, 02/16/2014 - 13:57 | 4442314 jubber
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What utter bollox, Europe at least rioted against the Iraq war, we also just stopped the crazy US go into Syria, with regards to Cameras in London perhaps if the US hadn't sponsered the IRA for decades as they bombed hundreds of innocent people there wouldn't have been a to all medical records in one database we have a National health system for Christs sake.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:02 | 4442325 TBT or not TBT
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Don't forget to blame Bush. You left that out.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:11 | 4442331 BaBaBouy
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The Fecking EU Is Gone Tax Insane...

You Can't Even Pick Your Nose OR Fart One without A Tax Being Perceived...

PS... The Uber Rich Escape All This With Their Trusts & Offshoring.

OK Everyone Now... Bow To Brussels, Bow To Brussels...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:18 | 4442376 Sudden Debt
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this article it the most stupid article on zerohedge ever.
It's written by a hillbilly who has no clue what and how europe works.

If Europe's freedoms is a 10 than America is a 5.

Almost all europeans are chocked at how militaristic America has turned to whenever they go on vacation to America.

Europeans take themselves the right to riot and protest. Americans do shit.

Don't look to much into conspiracy theories about Europe. All we are is to generous to everybody and that made us brike.

But don't forget that we're still 10 times richer than the average American.
Sure we have poor people but as humans we never let anybody sleep ont he streets without a option to have a house and they all get fed.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:28 | 4442408 max2205
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Maybe this isn't a bad idea since fucking over 60 MILLION US MORONS don't know that the earth orbits the sun....Un fucking believable!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:56 | 4442478 SovietCong
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@Zerohedge: Please mark sponsored content on the main page. This stuff is not only unreasonable, it is intellectually very weak, pure and simple. You can argue about whether the EU is the path to follow or not. But regardless of your position, you should be able to spell out a clear, coherent argument. Instead, we got a loose compilation of last-week tid-bits that your average monkey could pull down from the Internet. It reads like a junior-high home assignment of a C+ student. This is getting embarassing. If you, ZH, have to sell its posting slots on weekends to "guest contributors," then at least spare us those who really don't have anything interesting, new, or valuable to say.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:13 | 4442529 RaceToTheBottom
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It is definitely to the point that it is weakening the branding of ZH

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:22 | 4442552 Headbanger
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Not to the conspiracy theory nut cases here!

Oh wait... the Fluoride in my brain made me say that!

And all the subliminal messages from my toaster!!

Oh nooo!!  They're everywhere!   THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:25 | 4442560 macholatte
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MUST WATCH: Woman's Congressional Testimony

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:47 | 4442595 Fortunate Fool
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Tyler, did you just published "that"? really? this is embarassing...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:47 | 4442598 BellyBrain
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Weak article.  Very weak.  A couple decent points, but the article would have been far, FAR better if it wasn't actually about "god and country" b.s.  Government worship is just as bad as any religion.  It is RELIGION in all of its forms, including statism AND "free market" capitalism / corporatism that is holding humanity back.


And yes, free market capitalism / corporatism IS a religion, with money as its god.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:47 | 4442583 Wile-E-Coyote
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Does this story have anything to do with the  ZH servers going down over the weekend? Have they hard wired NSA bots into the system?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 17:07 | 4442798 MayIMommaDogFac...
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It is definitely to the point that it is weakening the branding of ZH

Trust me -- EVERYONE was just dying to know WTF you think. </sarc>

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 17:32 | 4442853 Flakmeister
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The same could be said of you...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:19 | 4442544 toady
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Thank you. I'm no rocket scientist, and I do enjoy a few fluffy hack jobs every now and then, but it's getting to the point where it's all fluff. I haven't seen an item of substance for three or four days now...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 17:32 | 4442852 Drifter
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I've commented about this before, my speculation is there's not much substantial financial news to report these days.  All the stuff that was new back in '08 - '09 when we entered the final looting of America isn't new anymore, we're 5 yrs into it, the looting paradigm is well known by all here. 700 billion TARP was earthshaking news back then, now 85 billion a month QE is ho hum.  How many ways can you analyze a looting spree and its effects?  How do you make a slow boring slide to 2nd world status newsworthy?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:32 | 4443031 toady
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I suppose these horrors do develope into a normalcy bias over years. Still, I find myself reading survivalblog more and ZH less these days. At least there's some useful skills being discussed.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 09:20 | 4444646 RaceToTheBottom
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Wow, I did not think my statements were that incendiary.  I guess the macho-ness of fight-club cannot survive a comment against the mothership ZH.


I can see my time here is dwindling fast.

Thanks for your comment.  Remember, the sun goes around the earth

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:14 | 4442532 Urban Roman
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How can it go around the Sun when it's flat?

Of course it's flat. I mean, just drive out west of Fort Worth and look at it! Just look at it.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:44 | 4442710 Blazed
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This could be part of the reason for that, along with dysgenic breeding and exploding third world demographics.

Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children.

"The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15.*  Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain."

Margarine consumption linked to lower IQ for children

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:10 | 4442968 lakecity55
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That flipped me out.

If it is true, I want to find somewhere else to live. If 25% of Americans actually don't know the earth orbits the sun, it is time to Head 'em up and move'em out!

In less than 50 years, the US has gone from moon launches to utter retardism! No wonder a gay commie fake negro could get elected and destroy what's left of the US while people stand by and watch like moo cows.

"Get me OUT! I am a Free Man!"

"You cannot leave, Number 6."

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:55 | 4443109 Sean7k
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Read the survey. Even less europeans answered correctly. Compared to China, Russia and Malaysia, Americans are Einsteins.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:51 | 4443086 Trucker Glock
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"over 60 MILLION US MORONS don't know that the earth orbits the sun"

They don't teach that in Global Warming class?



Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:41 | 4444029 TBT or not TBT
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Some percentage of people give joke answers on surveys. Also, there's a goddamned bell curve, everywhere on the planet, and that explains the rest of it.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:30 | 4442416 Rafferty
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True  up to a point but as Europe continues to get overrun by Africans and Muslims our material comfort zone will collapse.   Also in several European countries you can be jailed for having a contrary opinion about an historical event.  In this case the Holocau$t.  How free is that?


Europeans and Americans of Euopean descent face exactly the same problems and the same people are trying to do us down.  Concentrate on what  unites rather than divides us.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:53 | 4442767 blindchicken
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ZH should ignore articles like this one which present anectotical evidence as knowledge. I can well do without the latest "15 facts you must know before the world ends" and similar rants.

On the other hand concise comments like the one from Rafferty can save your day: 

"Europeans and Americans of European descent face exactly the same problems and the same people are trying to do us down.  Concentrate on what  unites rather than divides us."


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:44 | 4443062 The Wisp
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Concentrate on what  unites rather than divides us." ?

  ( We're white and we Like Pussey ) sorry had to write that it's a slow day..

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:28 | 4443360 StychoKiller
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Can't argue with pussy (unless you caught the ghey!)

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:38 | 4442436 dondonsurvelo
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You obviously walk around with blinders or work for the government.  In the 80's when I lived in France, the CRS walked around with automatic weapons and sat in busses throughout Paris just waiting for some agitation that they could stop.  I would be stopped often and asked for papers.  I didn't look like someone that should have been in France.  When travelling by train in 1ere class, I would be singled out because I didn't look like I could afford that class.  As for the poor and homeless, I would leave bread and other leftover food for the dozens of clochards that lived on the quais of the Seine in my neighborhood. 

Nothing has changed since the eighties except more have become homeless and poor and the police have become more intrusive.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:56 | 4442475 James_Cole
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Nothing has changed since the eighties except more have become homeless and poor and the police have become more intrusive.

Yeah but how many places is this not the case? Certainly true of the US. 

This Europe vs. US debate is really annoying, see it cropping up constantly now - 'which is the most greatest bestest most perfect freest place EVA?? Instead of the more sensible - there are some things done well in Europe & some things done well in the US. Look at what works and go with that.

Instead it's always EU (a rather large and diverse place) does everything wrong!!! And.. US (also a rather large and diverse place) does everything wrong!!! Same level of braindead debates which are a hallmark of CNN etc.. 

Meanwhile the ruling class keeps gettin' richer laughing at the peons. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:27 | 4442690 Sean7k
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It is so cute when all the slaves argue over who has the best masters and best plantation to live on. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:41 | 4442727 Confused
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Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:39 | 4442723 Confused
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Well, I guess its a good thing its not the 80's anymore, huh? 

Nothing has changed since the eighties except more have become homeless and poor and the police have become more intrusive.

I'm not sure this is solely a European problem. Sounds like every place I've lived in the US.

Funny how no one scans my retina when I arrive in Europe. Now the US......well, thats another story. I guess they are just checking to make sure I'm not a terrorist, by searching the global iris database. </S>

This article is pure shit. Those same points could be made about America. Right now. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:21 | 4442994 Andre
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"Those same points could be made about America. Right now. "

Which is, in some measure, the point. You get a lot of "Europe good, US bad". The fact is, the current US gov is trying to make the US exactly like Europe, because it's "So Good".

It isn't. You can find articles (primarily from the UK) about murderous policemen, plus some other things (like not allowing property owners to evict squatters on their property, then holding the property owners responsible for health hazards (human waste).

Then there was the man who found his wife and child tied up and went after the thugs with a cricket bat - the defender got 3 years in jail for unjustifiable use of deadly force, despite the fact the thugs lived. Canadian law (which is very Euro like) specifically states you cannot use deadly force in self defense. Guess who decides what level of force constitutes "deadly"?

How about the one somebody found a couple of weeks ago where a Paris bar was fined ~2000 euros for "undocumented labor" - because a patron returned some drink glasses to the bar?

Europe is Europe. Nice place to visit, would not want to live there.

You want the links to the incidents, look them up - you might surprise yourself.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:15 | 4442514 highly debtful
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Yep, I totally concur. This article is pure and utter bullshit, written by someone I suspect has never even visited our continent. What shocked me in particular were the few lines about the new euthanasia law in Belgium. Judging by this article, you'd think our French speaking socialist party (not exactly my friends by a long shot) suddenly turned all Nazi, succeeding in passing a law that gives the establishment absolute power over the lives of innocent children. For god's sake, dig a little deeper on the internet before you make such inane references in your article? And then the remark about those door to door "death squads" in the Netherlands (that's how I interpret the author's meaning behind the phrase).

Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

Far too often, I'm really not proud of my own country, but if there's one thing every Belgian should agree on, it's the unparalleled quality and affordability (for the patients, that is, not so much for the state) of our health care system and its medical staff, and that includes their moral conduct. We are most certainly not going to start finishing off sick children. 

I'm certainly not saying everything is hunky-dory our end, but I still don't have the feeling I'm currently living in a police state, and I think most of my neighbours in other European countries feel the same way. Last time I heard, the rule of law still applies.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:39 | 4442547 Mister Ponzi
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"Last time I heard, the rule of law still applies."


Exactly. When the events at MF Global were repeated by a Lithuanian bank two years ago, the judge issued arrest warrants the same day. To my knowledge, Jon Corzine is still a free man. A few days ago, a German minister stepped down because police investigates him for possibly leaking information to the head of the opposition party regarding investigations of possible crimes by a politician of the opposition party. In the US, the GA can lie under oath to Congress and nobody cares. He even is still in office! That's unthinkable in most European countries.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:47 | 4444324 Canoe Driver
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The rule of law always dominates in a police state.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:14 | 4442531 Mister Ponzi
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I agree that the article just focuses on single aspects and does not consider the big picture. The good thing about Europe is that there are many different countries with their own rules and regulatory arbitrage is therefore easy. It is, e.g., true that home schooling is not allowed in Germany and the overwhelming majority of Germans considers you an extremist if you mention this. But in most other European countries including "socialist" Scandinavia (those countries ranking first in international comparisons regarding the quality of school systems) this practice is perfectly legal. The UK may be heavily monitored - but the UK is more like the US than like continental Europe. Data protection laws in Germany e.g. are among the strictest in the world. And the use of drones by governments is illegal within the European Union. Personal taxes are higher in Europe compared to the US - but corporate taxes are higher in the US. You are not hassled and treated like a prisoner on airports in Europe like in the US and the regulation of selling and consuming alcohol is very lax in Europe. The big picture is that in some aspects of life there is more freedom in the US, in others there is more in Europe. It really depends on your preferences. In the US you get longer prison terms for non-crimes than for serious crimes in Europe. In Europe, you have to pay more in taxes (yet) than in the US while the propbability to be harrassed by your government, police or bureaucrats is lower in Europe.

Last October, I met a couple from California in Florence, Italy. They told me that they are surprised how much more relaxed people are in Europe. The woman summed it up perfectly: if people behaved in California the way people do in Italy they would be arrested. Doesn't sound like less freedom in Europe to me.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:19 | 4442591 malek
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You are a brainwashed moron.

I grew up mostly in Europe and moved back to the US some years ago.
It took me a while to realize -at first in utter disbelief- that the US had turned European a long time ago already.

In many areas there is virtually no difference anymore:
- mushrooming bureaucracy, as seen for example by pages of tax regulations: check
- strangling of small and starting businesses (at least in all more populous states): check
- constant increase in almost unlimited government handouts, with the main effect to keep the receivers dependent (Don't get fooled by any "limits": they are either not enforced or get circumvented by using the next program such as Disability)
- the US judicial system -I believe mostly due to permanant overload- is close to becoming a farce same as in the most backwater European countries
- factually unlimited and more important unselected immigration: check
- "Do-gooderism" on the loose steadfastly ignoring all unintended consequences: check!

There are only small pockets left where the US is a little better off:
- the major difference that in the US "everything that is not explicitly forbidden is allowed" while in Europe "everything that is not explicitly allowed is forbidden" - but this seems to be getting lost in the US
- gun rights (about the same as in non-EU Switzerland)
- home schooling (in most US states)
- freedom of speech is still a bit more broadly enforced

So this is not a comparison result to be proud of in any way anymore from a US point of view...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:33 | 4443032 TheReplacement
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Europeans are disarmed.  Riot and protest all you want and you get whatever the powers that be decide you will get.  It's kind of like a sparkler that has instant fizzle but nothing that would actually hurt someone.

Americans are armed.  They don't riot like a child having a tantrum.  They protest and then revolt in the attempt to take back what is theirs when the line is crossed too far.  It's a slow fuse on a bomb that changes things and people. 

The powers that be will take whatever they want from you whenever they want it.  You are just unlucky that so far what they have taken hasn't been, apparently, that important to you.  When it happens you will suddenly understand but it is already too late.  You are disarmed.  It may happen in America too but at least Americans have the choice of not accepting their dictates.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:51 | 4443081 zaphod
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I am so tired of hearing this "US is armed" argument. The fact is having arms is only useful if the arms are used at some point. If there hasn't been a revolution yet, there never will.

I think the US having arms has been detrimental to the cause of freedom because it instilled complacency. People say "well things are going in the wrong direction, but as long as we have our arms we can revolt sometime in the future if needed", the problem with that is if things are going in the wrong direction you have to stop it then, because if you don't you never will and worse the next generation will not be aware of the freedoms lost. 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 13:59 | 4445149 TBT or not TBT
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Posession of effective weaponry has an effect on your opponent, even when you don't point it at them, and of course even more so if you do. Both criminals and police break into private residences with some trepidation in the USA. In the UK and much of Europe, the rate of break ins to occupied residences is much higher than most anywhere in the USA, because we are armed.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:08 | 4442327 BaBaBouy
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Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:11 | 4442354 nmewn
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"...we also just stopped the crazy US go into Syria..."

Actually, no, we built that.

By mocking President Redline, we stopped him right here, old bean.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:21 | 4442385 French Frog
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This is, by far, the most ignorant article that has ever appeared on ZH, and I'm not a fan of the EU either, but quite frankly it would take too long to completely deconstruct Michael Snyder's garbage.

The picking of little bits of pseudo-news/facts from various EU countries to make an article reeks of the worse kind of tabloid journalism that used to be the preserve of the gutter-press. Tyler, you might need to oversee some of the more overtly sensationalist 'journalism' (for lack of a better/worse word) that is creeping more and more unto ZH's pages.

This is not what ZH was about when it reared its formidable head a few years back, and I hope that it is not the shape of things to come.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:36 | 4442425 Rafferty
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That is Michael Snyder's SOP.  "20 Facts That Prove.....whatever".  It's simple to write a response on the lines of "20 Facts That Disprove.....whatever".   I like his PoV but it's a cheap and easily discredited form of journalism.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:19 | 4442991 lakecity55
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I am getting sick and tired of Synder and his "64 Facts that show ___________ (insert subject).

Things are bad, but there needs to be more in-depth. Also I think he has several Fear Porn sites. Things are bad enough w/o hyping the worst-case scenario, IMHO.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:41 | 4442402 Emergency Ward
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Why is that fucking French warmongering progressive-socialist Hollande invading Africa?  The fucking Euros are only one step below the US in aggression.  Nothing to brag about.

About Syria, some credit to the Brits, some to Putin, some to a small handful of hated (non-neo-con) Republicans (who broke their Party Line) in the US (the fucking progressive Democrats were practicing the worst type of warmongering, the "Party Line" type, by lining up behind Obama), and a lot of credit to the usually somnambulant, war-weary American Public that raised some hell -- the sum total of which embarrassed the bloodthirsty Obama out of attacking -- for the time being.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:56 | 4442476 nmewn
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I'm still trying to grind through Jubbars other statement about the British Empire invading & subjugating Ireland to their king was somehow a good thing for present day Londoners.

Stephen: Stephen is my name. I'm the most wanted man on my island, except I'm not on my island, of course. More's the pity.

Hamish: "Your island"? You mean Ireland?

Stephen: Yeah. It's mine.

Hamish: You're a madman.

Stephen: [nods and starts laughing, then Hamish does as well] I've come to the right place, then.

Still wondering what the Irish could possibly have in common with the Scot ;-)

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:57 | 4442483 graneros
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The proletariat were most likely encouraged by the EU leaders to protest the Iraq war.  The EU wanted no part of that war. More to the point they didn't want to have to put out any do re mi for that war.  That's what they keep the Americans around for.  We're kinda like their personal guard dog.  "Go get 'em boy.  That's right. Sic em now go on sic 'em. Good dog, now heel. Oh and while your at it put a few billion more in the IMF would ya? Yea Greece is at it again...and Spain, and Italy..."

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:46 | 4442740 Confused
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The proletariat were most likely encouraged by the EU leaders to protest the Iraq war. 


That, or the fact that, generations of people in Europe were completely wiped out. And they are tired of war. As are many in Russia. 


The Europeans don't need America as a body guard. You might recall the last two scuffles they got themselves into. They know how to party. 


But you are probably right. Everything is a conspiracy. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:07 | 4443140 graneros
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And I don't blame them I am sick of war myself.  Sick to death of our wealth (if borrowed money can be counted as wealth) being wasted and really sick of American blood being spilled for no reason. But yes they do seem to need or at least want us as a bodyguard, as far as their last 2 "scuffles" it seems to me it was the good ol' USA that pulled their chestnuts out of those fires. That's all water under the bridge. The bottom line is as long as Uncle Sugar is footing their defense bills they have more money. They have come to depend on it.  If we pulled out of NATO, and I certainly beleive we should at the very least scale our commitment back by at least 90%, Europe would have a fit.

That conspiracy thing is something you just put in on your own I never said a word about conspiracies. And by the way Russia is part of Europe at least as far East as the Urals.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:05 | 4442501 Creepy Lurker
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Not neccessary for him to blame Bush, TBT, the reason he lives in a socialist hellhole is entire the fault of Americans. Europeans had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Oh and btw, jubber, Putin stopped the US government from going into Syria. The EU had fuck all to do with it. I do agree that the US government is crazy, though. Stupid too.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:47 | 4442599 Flakmeister
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Given a chance, Putin threw Assad under the bus while saving face...

That is not what leaders alledgedly playing a winning hand do to their last remaining client state in the Middle East....

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:36 | 4443397 StychoKiller
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Hmm, yet Assad is STILL sleeping in the presidential palace...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:52 | 4444053 Flakmeister
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That was never the goal, the goal was to take chemical weapons off the table...

The US is not stupid, getting rid of Assad creates a vacuum which will be filled with an unknown quantity unless the US explicity backs a side...Do you not agree?

Do you think the US really wants to get involved in a no win shit-show?

Good diplomacy means that you got what you wanted at zero cost in blood and treasure... And Obama-Kerry did exactly that...  

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:26 | 4442561 holgerdanske
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The only problem I see here, is that the writer seems to think USA is better, somehow.

I think the system in Europe stinks to high heaven, but so does the one in the US.

There might be some degrees of difference, but ultimately, the systems both seriously treat you like a farm animal. Behave, don't rock the boat, pay your taxes, and we might leave you alone, provide we can educate your children the way we like, so they can become good, loyal, dumb, unthinking supporters.


Remember WACO: in the US, not EU!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:02 | 4443467 robobbob
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no one in the EU has the weapons to create a siege scenerio.

when the .gov murdered unarmed women and children with incendiaries and shape charges, that should have been the wake up call for the american people. instead it became the modern template of how to ram through police state laws under the never let a crises go to waste playbook.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:27 | 4442565 midtowng
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Becoming Europe is what the author is scared about? We should be so lucky!

We are more likely to become some fascist state ruled by a capitalist oligarchy, like Russia.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:22 | 4442998 lakecity55
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Yes, Euro People and US People have a lot in common- crooked banks and politicians.

I would rather work with what can unite people, not push them against each other.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:34 | 4442572 Wile-E-Coyote
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Did Alex Jones write this article?

He forgot to mention lizards.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:39 | 4442578 type
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>we also just stopped the crazy US go into Syria,


I thought here the credit went to Putin.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:39 | 4442579 type
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>we also just stopped the crazy US go into Syria,


I thought here the credit went to Putin.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:36 | 4442709 JR
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How can you attempt, jubber, to contrast the similarities or the differences between European and American freedom when they are both under the tyrannical supervision of the same despots – the international bankers?

It’s the Americans with the guns who are the last hurdle for the despots and if it is not stopped here, in America, it won’t be stopped.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 17:16 | 4442821 Tom_333
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Yes - this the pot calling the kettle black.

Of course Germany shies away from home-schooling. Given their history and all the nutcases with "differing" views on history. Of course not a whole lot of Europeans put a lot of faith in the (Catholic) Church given the way it has been treating it´s choirboys. If you had a young goodlooking son would you really let him try being an altarboy...? They have always been nuts in the Netherlands and Belgium with their view on freedom of personal choice.Possibly due to too much exposure to foreigners. Always been port and trade nations.The Brits will try to make a business out of everything - they don´t have anything else to sell , they had a brief spell of natural riches with Nortsea gas and oil but now when that´s dried up they have to go back to their old ways and so on.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:01 | 4442315 knukles
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Alternatively, they believe that if they are not all allowed to just do whatever they want that it would result in utter chaos. 
Fuck the Peasantry
Fuck the EU

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 13:58 | 4442317 Reaper
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The sheeple crave a shepherd. Freedom is responsibility for mistakes. The sheeple want to never grow up. The government is their ever-ruling parent substitute.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:08 | 4442347 TBT or not TBT
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Exactly. Europeans are educated to appreciate "positive liberty". Freedoms from want and difficulty and risk provided by the state. The USA has as its most basic law a..quoting Obama...a list of things the government cannot do TO you, but no list of things the government must do for you. The demagogic party has been fixing that though. Witness the outpouring of demagogic party admissions they look at people losing their jobs by the millions as a liberating end of "job lock".

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:00 | 4442319 buzzsaw99
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kansas just passed a law legalizing discrimination against gays

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:03 | 4442330 knukles
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Good thing that wasn't in Europe because nobody's sure if all the gays in Europe are gay.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:12 | 4442360 TBT or not TBT
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Well sure, in a sea of effeminate men, it is difficult to tell. K-12 educators have been working on doing that to American men, to great "success".

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:58 | 4442413 onelight
Mon, 02/17/2014 - 14:07 | 4445171 TBT or not TBT
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Zuckerberg offers 56 genders, amnesty for illegals, open borders, and a superficial chat zone that's very addictive called "Facebook", or so I gather.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:33 | 4442422 shutdown
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In the 60s and 70s men would pretend to be queer to avoid the draft. That was smart.

Now the popular thing to do is pose as one in order to get ahead on the job, enjoy faster promotions, even use it as a defense against disciplinary dismissal. This is smart, too.

It's a rock solid survival tactic for today. In fact Darwin would approve.

I strongy urge everyone here to turn queer. If you can't bring yourself to pull that off, at least tell everyone you are. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:39 | 4442441 Rafferty
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kansas just passed a law legalizing discrimination against gays


Good. I'm fucking fed up of these bastards shoving themselves in my face 24x7.  (Maybe I could have used a better metaphor!).

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:16 | 4442540 buzzsaw99
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don't worry when they put you in the death camps the gays won't be there to protest that either

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:56 | 4443277 sylviasays
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gay nazis will be the ones putting him into the death camps

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:53 | 4442471 shovelhead
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Kansans don't HAVE to bake gay wedding cakes?

The end of civilization is at hand.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:00 | 4442320 TBT or not TBT
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This will revert to nationalist socialism when living conditions get bad enough. What they have now is internationalist socialism, with an ever less European face. The europeans will revert to form. The last genocide there was what, 20 odd years ago, in the balkans.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:05 | 4442334 El Vaquero
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This will revert to mass chaos when the system trying to maintain the status quo finally breaks down.  When supply chains break, we are going to find out just how bad of an idea globalization really is.  By "we," I mean humans. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:23 | 4442556 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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And the rise of another leader, war, death...million of lives lost. Rinse and repeat. Humans know nothing otherwise.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 17:33 | 4442855 algol_dog
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The modern world will come to realize what the ancients intuitively knew and lived by. That being, the Gods demanding something in exchange for the prosperity, wealth and comfort the developed world lives and aspires for. That "something" is blood and it is more valuable than gold, or any other medium of wealth fought about on these ZH boards. It is the grease that maintains the machine and it is currently running extremely dry. The coiffures are low and the Gods are demanding payment. 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 14:08 | 4445175 TBT or not TBT
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Thus the Constitution, which was designed explicitly to prevent that.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:01 | 4442322 Occams_Chainsaw
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Soon all of us will be mandated to put our savings in MyRA.  Then the circle is complete....

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:07 | 4442338 Dagny Taggart
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There are still plenty of tangible alternatives available.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:14 | 4442364 Uncle Remus
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Dagny said tangible.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:33 | 4442418 Dagny Taggart
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Heirloom seeds, land and tools, burnt mortgages, good books and precious er...boat anchors - ok, maybe a few shares of junior miners still lurking about lol.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:06 | 4443138 zjxn06
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"Heirloom seeds, land and tools, burnt mortgages, good books and precious er...boat anchors - ok, maybe a few shares of junior miners "


Don't forget firearms and ammunition.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:03 | 4442328 carbonmutant
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If America continues down this path I suspect that an EBT card would be more appropriate logo than a Hammer and Sickle...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:06 | 4442332 Anthony Migchels
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I'm not really too sure what this is all about.

Europe and America are two sides of the same coin, run by the same maniacs with their headquarters in London.

Michael makes many fair points, but on the other hand Europe does not have 2,2 million people in jail. Per capital we have 5 to 10 times less people behind bars. We don't have cops roaming the streets, murdering thousands of people, shooting dogs all over the place. We don't have the TSA. The wealth distribution, atrocious as it is, is not quite as horrendously one sided as in the US. European nations are not waging war all over the planet (we used to, of course, and our political class is slavishly supporting US imperialism) and we don't spend more on the military than the rest of the planet combined.

The US long lost its perceived freedoms, it was already done when the Federal Government demolished State rights, that was exactly the same process that the European nations are going through now. 

Better is to understand that these are not national issues. We face a global bankster cartel heading for world government. It already owns all Governments. Neither Europe nor the US is an 'example': we're being social engineered into oblivion with mass immigration, the not-so-gay lobby and feminism.

We face a truly internationalist enemy and we must work together to put this ghoul where it belongs: in a memory hole.

Monetary reform is THE main dish, as it is through money, Usury, money scarcity, deflation, inflation that the Money Power rules.

Here's a clear cut proposal on how to get rid of the banks. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:10 | 4442352 Charles Nelson ...
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Good post. I like your blog a lot, I first read it when Drudge linked to it some months ago.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:18 | 4442543 Creepy Lurker
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Hmm, I got a 404 error when I tried the link, although Anthony's name and picture are still there. Seems someone doesn't like what he has to say.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:55 | 4442617 malek
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The page doesn't load if is doesn't have a referrer from its own blog.
When seeing the 404 error, got the URL bar in your browser, highlight it and press enter - it will then load (Note: simple click on refresh deoesn't do it.)

The owner should really re-evaluate his webpage settings...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:17 | 4442374 El Vaquero
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I agree.  While it does look as though perhaps Europe may be more regulated in many areas than the US, we've got the NSA and steroid monkeys with badges and guns roaming the streets kicking in doors and shooting dogs because somebody, somewhere might want to get high.  A different flavor of tyranny is still tyranny. 


I would also include resource scarcity in there. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:26 | 4442399 Son of Captain Nemo
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Europe and America are two sides of the same coin, run by the same maniacs with their headquarters in London.

Agreed I've read your ideas and they make sense in a rational world, run by rational people that run rational governments. That said...  You have a much better chance spearheading that effort in Europe before you will ever see it in the U.S.  Why?

Because the vast majority of Americans are so fucking lazy and stupid.  I know I will probably get down arrowed on this one, but by and large everyone that visits this site will concur silently or otherwise that by far the United States represents the most ignorant Nation "anywhere" on this planet when it comes to understanding the laws that govern them domestically and the international rule of law that this Country violates on a horrific scale, let alone their own history and that of Western Europe where they came from. Lest we forget with one of the largest militaries in existence to violate those laws and norms with when it doesn't get what it wants.

The only way AG you will have any success in Western Europe is when you throw the U.S. military completely out of the EU which of course suggests that the politicians in Brussels will either be under lock & key or dangling from the end of a rope first.  When that day happens we have a chance.

America?  Isolate it.  Once you do that.  Watch Britain and Israel start making lucrative commerce with you that you never anticipated. It's our only hope.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:43 | 4442452 Rafferty
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The US long lost its perceived freedoms, it was already done when the Federal Government demolished State rights, that was exactly the same process that the European nations are going through now. 



Sun, 02/16/2014 - 17:54 | 4442916 fedupwhiteguy
Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:28 | 4443361 Son of Captain Nemo
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Why the EU countries will need to unilaterally "disband" from the Union and hold Brussels in contempt. 

The gospel according to Judge Napolitano will tell you why Western Europe must initiate and throw the U.S. military out of it's Country for good.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:05 | 4442335 Son of Captain Nemo
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I think this fella warned us about it 30 years ago, being that he saw it in his Country first.  Might have missed that train already!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:07 | 4442339 williambanzai7
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Why don't you do a version of that flag with Lady Liberty holding the Hammer and Sickle? That is where we are now.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:00 | 4442490 MsCreant
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Why don't you doll?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:07 | 4442340 Caviar Emptor
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As a successful loan shark and pimp I prefer no regulations too.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:39 | 4442442 Uncle Remus
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Jamie, is that you?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:37 | 4442711 U4 eee aaa
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He was referring to illegal loan shark pimps.....not legal ones

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:07 | 4442341 Excursionist
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Many troubling issues pointed out in this article.  But a de-emphasis of religion is not one of them.

Organized religions, in the business of sucking in and influencing / controlling people with their mythologies and institutions, have been and continue to be a pestilence on this planet.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:19 | 4442377 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah, trying to mold a moral conscience in the people, that's so fucked up! I guess that's what that nut bag founder meant when he said limited government will only work with a moral people. I'm glad the statist party has been at work tearing down the family and traditional morality so that the state can get busy with all the crisis that has created. It's peachy.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:37 | 4442434 Excursionist
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I disagree with one of your first principles, which seems to be that, on average, people are incapable of morality (whatever that means) without religion.

And just to be explicit on this point:  organized religion has benefits.  But, in my humble opinion, when the plusses and minuses are netted at the end of the day, my pestilence comment stands.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:41 | 4442447 TBT or not TBT
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Let's see, we have traditional values and longstanding moral codes derives from faith disappearing, while the state multiplies regulations and bureaucracies to deal with the consequences of it replacing the family.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:34 | 4442573 shovelhead
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Those hoards of Catholics running around secretly spraying people with holy water are a real menace to society.

Don't get me started on those snooty Episcopalians either.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:08 | 4442343 JustObserving
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high levels of individual liberty and freedom are considered to be “dangerous” by the European elite

As if there is any freedom or liberty in the fascist police state of America.  At least the Germans and the French are starting a new network to bypass NSA spying.

The most extraordinary passage in the memo requires that the Israeli spooks “destroy upon recognition” any communication provided by the NSA “that is either to or from an official of the US government.” It goes on to spell out that this includes “officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the US House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the US Federal Court System (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court).”

The stunning implication of this passage is that NSA spying targets not only ordinary American citizens, but also Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and the White House itself. One could hardly ask for a more naked exposure of a police state.

Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande will review plans to build up a trustworthy data protection network in Europe. The challenge is to avoid data passing through the US after revelations of mass NSA spying in Germany and France.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:32 | 4442702 css1971
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You don't need to prevent data travelling through the US. You can just encrypt the hell out of it before it leaves your machine.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:11 | 4442355 JDFX
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Terror attacks on the West will trigger full realtime tracking of all citizens when out in public and other designated zones.

Realtime tracking being the norm, will be desired ,so as to prevent / minimise further material attacks.

Maybe we have 10 years left of relative public freedom before we're all instructed to wear our real tracking ID when we venture out?

Security services can only do so much. And maybe real time tracking of All citizens will be the only option left when it goes to the next threat level.

So don't worry about EU, just enjoy what you have left of perecived public / private freedoms. It will have to change for the worse as the probabilities tick along.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:11 | 4442357 I am Jobe
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Welcome to AMERIKA as the transformation takes place and people will always be  ignorant and handover their right. So you think your kids belong to you? 

The Naked Communist

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:14 | 4442363 TradingFinn
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Hey, don't mock the EU! Without it our bananas could look like fricking zucchinis:

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:17 | 4442372 pcrs
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We europeans can help you cope with this shit. You need a lot of holiday to escape from the whole mess. Don't work too hard, it is pointless amd only grows your oppressors.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:19 | 4442378 I am Jobe
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Amerikans love to be slaves.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:45 | 4442455 Uncle Remus
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Reparations will do that to a society.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:18 | 4442375 gwar5
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Bilderberger sociopaths will save themselves over everybody/everything else. Bank on it.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:22 | 4442388 XitSam
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Watch Clavell's The Children's Story

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:22 | 4442392 novictim
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Who is the AUTHOR?:

Michael T. Snyder is a fundamentalist Christian crank who has started numerous blogs as a testament to his raging insane belief that the world is about to end. He started with The Economic Collapse Blog in 2007, with constant articles stating how the world is going to hell every single day since the meltdown started in 2007. It seems as though Snyder blames the government for every ill in the world, because without it everything would be great.
Like most doom-sayers, it doesn't seem to faze Snyder one bit that every one of his past predictions of economic collapse were dead wrong. This horrendous track record would cause most people to reevaluate their beliefs in the effort to one day be right. Yet, he simply refuses to even address or acknowledge that he has been wrong thousands of times, especially if you count each numbered item of his massive lists. He seems to have explosive diarrhea of the mind that no amount of logic can slow or stop.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:01 | 4442491 Oppressed In Ca...
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You must have been trained in the critical thinking classes at one of our elite universities.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:39 | 4443403 novictim
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Not even original.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:04 | 4442498 MsCreant
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That Wiki post is as sensationalistic as it is claiming Snyder to be.

I trust the euro folk posting here that he is overstating and cherry picking to make his case.

US is waaay more fucked.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:54 | 4442615 Element
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The involuntary contribution to EU bank welfare would be #1 issue for most people in eu-happy-land, I'd say.

What is curious is people above are objecting to the post on a range of peripheral issues, it seems, ignoring the biggie.

Given the US is way more fucked, there doesn't seem to be so much in it when you add that bit into the mix.

The Germanic forced participation in a monolithic state-society is quite a put-off. I would definitely not want to live in such a place, but then again I expect that's part of the point. Make it unattractive to foreigners who are not going to be 100% committed to mein frau and dr stranglove's policies, etc.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:23 | 4442682 Debt Slave
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with constant articles stating how the world is going to hell every single day since the meltdown started in 2007.

Soo, you disagree?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:26 | 4442397 earthwayexperience
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Thi is SOOOO true..

I could not have said it better myself.

I live in Sweden...expat American...since 2004. I kind of live under the radar here...a part of the system without being a part of it.

It is something AMERICA DOES NOT want to be like...

The cradel to grave reference is one of my favorite saying about Sweden...

People here are SO afraid..

dont want to stand out.

Talk out.

But if all collapeses it is a good place to be because people are so compliant...they will wait quietly in their houses for Big Brother to come rescue them...but he will never come...

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:28 | 4442403 AMGdesignnl
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This is why we don't take America any serious whahahahahahaha <);o) ROFLOL

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:28 | 4442404 Caviar Emptor
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Don't you people see that we are heading toward utopia? People untethered from the chains of work will live in fantasy as our government(s)safeguard our world and fund it all with the printed digital currency you guys deplore!

Can't you see? Utopia is inevitable !

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:52 | 4442610 Chuck Knoblauch
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I don't want a boss, at work or in government. I want to live like an animal and take what I want until killed by a bigger animal. This is how I want to live my life. I don't believe in substituting one jailer for another. I want my FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMM!!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:10 | 4442651 MsCreant
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Go for it. You'll get your wish pretty quick I suspect, suicide boy.

We always were social. You always had to cooperate to take down big game. 

If only we could do that with banksters.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:30 | 4442698 Chuck Knoblauch
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So, you side with Obozo when he tells business owners that they did not create their businesses, but that it was a communal effort? That sounds Commie, doesn't it?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:52 | 4443447 MsCreant
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I do not side with O.

You want to run free and that is cool. But be free and alone long enough and your life span will be shortened. You know this and embrace it in your remarks. 

There is balance to be struck with independence and interdependence. Minimalist rules of cooperation are needed so that the wheel is not always being reinvented. The fewer the better. I like rules about safety and theft. We should be good if we just did that. 

You fuck with me, just because you are running free and think it is fun, there is a rule that will let me and the community around me, stop you. Otherwise, frolic as you please. It seems pretty clear to me. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:36 | 4442427 williambanzai7
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Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:51 | 4442466 Chuck Knoblauch
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I'm actually looking forward to see the next US administration fail. It will be female dominated with Hillary leading the charge. Our version of Margaret Thatcher, I guess. Unfortunately, the enemy isn't the Falkland Islands. I guess the CFR will tell Hillary who to bark at with that annoying noise box. Like Obozo, Hillary will prove that the grass isn't greener on the other side of the street.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:57 | 4442485 JustObserving
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A downvote for that image is a crime against both art and truth

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:06 | 4442506 MsCreant
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Victor/Victoria Nuland?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:37 | 4442433 Chuck Knoblauch
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CIA trash over at ZH wants us to bash Europe now instead of China? You're pathetic!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:11 | 4442522 MsCreant
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How about provoking discussion? Would you "Chuck" out everyting on the field that does not resonate with your personal echo chamber?

Do you think Tyler(s) agrees with everything he posts?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:30 | 4442696 KickIce
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Hell, if we want compare I'll take Europe and raise them by the IRS, CIA, NSA, NDAA, MIC and Homeland Security.  Think you can protest, look what happened to Occupy Wallstreet.  The elite have successfully divided us by race, political party...  and now were arguing who has the most constrictive society.  We're pretty much in the same boat here and these bastards are working in concert against us.  As long as we're good little serfs and tow the company line than everything seems peaceful but threaten the status quo and and watch the ugly head of fascism appear - and this applies to almost every country.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:39 | 4442719 Chuck Knoblauch
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I echo your comments. Apparently, expressing an original thought is frowned on around here.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:59 | 4442775 KickIce
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No, its still remains fight club in the comments section.  Post what you want but be prepared to defend if someone disagrees.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 14:41 | 4442446 manich
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Can't believe the "Big Brother" haters, Big Business lovers, think it is BO and other politicians guiding our future. Look behind the curtain Snyder. See who is calling the shots. Here is a hint. Check out who BO nominates and appoints to the important positions in his administration. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:02 | 4442453 Hongcha
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Sudden Debt, indeed plenty of bible-thumping Xtians in the USA, many in positions of considerable influence.  Full of passion and ignorance.  The US is overwhelmingly Christian, and naive, and trusting; a ripe target for all sorts of manipulation.  At least the last few generations have been.  But don't underestimate the slowly rising tide of resentment or you will be making the same mistake as the author.  

It's a house builded upon sand (fractional reserve banking and personal debt), and great will be the fall of it.  But it could take decades.  There are other elements that are quite solid I can assure you.

The Internet is kind of like a Loosh Farm and eyeballs and clicks are how it works with wild-eyed articles.  'Loosh Farm' comes from Robert Monroe, founder of the Monroe Institute.  The concept (for lack of a better term; Monroe said he brought it back from out-of-body dialogues with better-developed beings) is that Earth and organic life, which includes homo sapiens, put out a quality of energy that is cultivated and consumed by another set of beings further up the food chain.

Gurdjieff said essentially the same thing but disguised it with his Food for the Moon doctrine.  Some others have recently picked up on this.

According to the theory, any energy they can draw from you is Loosh and will do nicely, thank you.  Pain, panic, passion all serve very well, different flavors.  So, keep clicking!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:04 | 4442499 Chuck Knoblauch
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Did you take your medication today?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:10 | 4442517 Playtime's Over
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That theory is very prevalent in metaphysical thinking and has been for 100 years.  "World Mind", is the ego consciousness. We are all part of the same "energy".  Can't get around it, we all affect each other for better or worse.  My money is on worse right now.  Good part about this is that we are moving towards a better place of "mind" here with no real "effort" due on our part.  It's just the way of things.  HOWEVER, this doesn't mean we are getting better NOW.......means were getting better in the long run.  Depressing thought to think we haven't hit the bottom yet. For the greater good I guess, painful to live in these "birthing" times.  But honestlly, we haven't had any real communal pain in a several generations. Plagues, disease, famine and war used to be the norm. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:26 | 4442551 Chuck Knoblauch
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Maybe mankind was never meant to live in big cities, work in cubicles, pay taxes, enter into marriage and mortgage contracts, and die on their backs in some waste processing facility called a hospital. Maybe we were all created to run the plains of Africa, naked and free, hunting for our food and our women. Yes, those were the good old days. Civilization sucks!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 15:49 | 4442606 shovelhead
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While being typed on a laptop in a comfy chair in a centrally heated house.

Everybody wants to be Amish until it's time to shovel a snowpath to the frozen outhouse.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:04 | 4442630 Chuck Knoblauch
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I blame WOMEN for civilization. They wanted the comfort and security more than the men. We fell for the trap and we've been paying for it ever since. Mankind was free for 70,000 years, then some idiot invented BEER and we were doomed. Damn!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 16:07 | 4442643 MsCreant
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We tricked you with beer! I like it!

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