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U.S. Plunges To 46th In World Press Freedom Index... Below Romania

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

One of my most popular posts of 2013 highlighted the decline of America’s once large and enviable middle class. It was titled: How Does America’s Middle Class Rank Globally? #27, and it helped to dispel many myths Americans (particularly the mainstream propaganda media) continue to tell to themselves.

As you might expect, the economic decline of a nation into rule by a handful of corrupt oligarchs will have many other negative repercussions. One of these is a loss of civil rights and freedoms that many of us have taken for granted. Reporters Without Borders puts out their Press Freedom Index every year, and the 2014 ranking came out today. It was not a good showing for the USSA. Specifically, the U.S. registered one of the steepest falls of all nations, down 13 slots to the #46 position. As the screen shot shows, just above Haiti and just below Romania.



More coverage from the AFP:

Paris (AFP) – Conflicts continued to weigh heavily on the media last year but press freedom was also under increasing threat from abuses by democracies like the United States, Reporters Without Borders said Wednesday.


In its annual World Press Freedom Index, the Paris-based media rights watchdog warned of the “growing threat worldwide” from the “tendency to interpret national security needs in an overly broad and abusive manner”.


The United States was singled out for its pursuit of intelligence leaker Edward Snowden, the conviction of WikiLeaks informer Bradley Manning and the secret seizure of phone records from the Associated Press.


The group, known by its French acronym RSF, said the United States had suffered “one of the most significant declines” in press freedom last year, dropping 13 places to 46th in the 180-country index, wedged between Romania and Haiti.


“Countries that pride themselves on being democracies and respecting the rule of law have not set an example, far from it,” RSF said.

Repeat after me: USA! USA!

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Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:42 | 4443053 ebworthen
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Well let's see; a General from the Military is violating our Constitution spying on us, and the Executive Branch is using law enforcement to intimidate reporters while using the IRS to attack political opposition.

Nah...everything is in STASI East Germany.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:52 | 4443095 Millivanilli
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As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase.

Aldous Huxley


You know, I think he was right.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:57 | 4443113 maskone909
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The final step at concurring a society is to destroy its values and ethics. We are force fed homosexuality from the MSM.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:01 | 4443127 Freddie
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I don't watch TV or Hollywood's shit but it seems like the gay-a-fying the Olympics really helped the USSA team and also the viewership.   

Supposedly Putin went around to say hello to the USSA and Candian teams plus others.  He is no saint but that is a pretty nice gesture as the NWO media has tried to demonize him and Russia.

Maybe the public will wake up and unplug TV and Hollywood.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:07 | 4443144 maskone909
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Conventional tv will become obsolete with the rise of smart tv's. Has alot to do with te push for control of the net. The dissemination of information is a threat

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:15 | 4443156 LMAOLORI
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Which is why the Zero is pushing this so hard


Obama Pushes TPP Negotiations Despite Mounting Opposition at Home and Abroad
Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:17 | 4443166 maskone909
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The tpp is scary as shit. It gives corps the power to influence lawmaking. Will no doubt lead to disarming the populace. This on par with the secrecy of the creation of the fed

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:24 | 4443185 Abi Normal
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I know many of you hate me, but that is AOK, that is your right.  There is a way to effect change:

I feel this is going to be a dicey situation, but it is an action that needs to happen.  So instead of banging keyborads, and your head against the wall, look into becoming a part of the restoration!

5/16/2014 in DC...

another link:

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:27 | 4443200 LMAOLORI
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I don't hate you (Let them eat Rand maybe lol) thanks!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:31 | 4443208 macholatte
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MUST WATCH: Woman's Congressional Testimony

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:01 | 4443295 LMAOLORI
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Thanks macholatte   -    NSA - NSA


I am pretty convinced it's being used for more than just spying on terrorists unless you consider people fighting with the IRS terrorists :)


Maryland bill would cut water, electricity to NSA headquarters


Delegate Michael Smigiel, who introduced the proposal, said in a news release that while the NSA has deep roots in Maryland, the state should no longer support an agency that "ignores constitutional constraints and tramples on the privacy rights" of its residents.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:45 | 4443418 philipat
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They hate us for our freedoms...........

Given that there are none left, does that mean there will be nothing left to hate us for and therefore an end to the war........just a thought.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 04:50 | 4444450 AldousHuxley
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USSR has freedom of press in their constitution too once they figured, as long as shit looks good on paper, they will maintain control over populace.


Everyone shall be guaranteed the right to freedom of conscience, to freedom of religious worship, including the right to profess, individually or jointly with others, any religion, or to profess no religion, to freely choose, possess and disseminate religious or other beliefs, and to act in conformity with them.


Article 29.
  1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought and speech.
  2. Propaganda or campaigning inciting social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife is impermissible. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or language superiority is forbidden.
  3. No one may be coerced into expressing one's views and convictions or into renouncing them.
  4. Everyone shall have the right to seek, get, transfer, produce and disseminate information by any lawful means. The list of information constituting the state secret shall be established by the federal law.
  5. The freedom of the mass media shall be guaranteed. Censorship shall be prohibited.
Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:29 | 4443541 LetThemEatRand
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"I don't hate you (Let them eat Rand maybe lol) thanks!"

Not your downvoter.  I like the attention.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 14:18 | 4445198 Truthseeker2
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The real reason why the USA is anything but a bastion of freedom!

The USA: Military Arm Of The New World Order

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 20:24 | 4446248 LMAOLORI
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I don't really hate you thus the lol and though I may disagree with political viewpoints I think everyone is entitled to believe as they choose it was just the hypocrisy that really got to me - otherwise I probably would have paid you little attention :).

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:00 | 4443294 kaiserhoff
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Hang in there, Abi. We have to start somewhere.

Anyone who can should join a local service club, Jaycees, Kiwanis, whatever.  In my neck of the woods, pretty much all of the State and local politicians and contenders come around a couple of times each year.  You can ask them questions, abuse them, humiliate them in front of a local audience with no place to hide.  The most fun you can have with your clothes on, and you can actually derail a candidate now and then.  Everyone should try it.  You'll like it.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:24 | 4443186 DaveyJones
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I'll second that

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:26 | 4443198 knukles
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This is irresponsible reporting, highly damaging to American exceptionalism's appearance overseas.  Any reporters trumpeting tripe such as this should be sent to Labor Camps.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:30 | 4443204 HyBrasilian
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A good way to ensure free press & freedom of speech is to ban comments [& commentators] from ZH

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:26 | 4443197 Occident Mortal
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This is old news.

The real eye opener to how far the US has detoured was actually the Anders Brevik episode in Norway.

Here you had a deeply motivated and prepared individual who tried to drag the country (Norway) into a new political dimension, rather like 9/11 did with the US.

But how did Norway respond to the unprecedented attack on their society?

They changed nothing. No new laws, no new measures. No changes in government spending. Nothing. They tried him under their existing rules and now he is rotting in jail.

How did USA respond to 9/11? Admittedly a much larger attack.

The country is unrecognisable. Americans are boiled frogs.

As an outsider who visits fairly frequently over the years, the country and US society has been transformed over the past 10 years.

US politicians now openly talk about a US default. WTAF?!

There are guys in Gitmo who still haven't had a trial after 12 years!! WTAF?!

The government spies on EVERYONE literally ALL DAY LONG. WTAF?!

IRS harassing political groups? WTAF?!

The US is not the country it was 15 years ago. Freedom and Liberty? What happened to American values? They are long gone.

The US well and truly threw the baby out with the bath water with the knee jerk national security agenda that followed 9/11. And it's still getting worse.

Then look at how Norway reacted. They changed nothing. Nothing.

Who were the winners and losers here?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:44 | 4443233 macholatte
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Your comparison of Breivik to 9/11 is way out of the ball park.  Nevertheless, the tin foil hat crowd believes that such actions (Red Flags) are planned to enable change such as the TSA and so on.


  • Breivik is serving 21 years in prison for murdering 77 people in 2011
  • Killer complains the prison is treating him 'worse than an animal'
  • He sent a list of 12 demands to improve conditions to jail authorities
  • Details of requirements sent to officials in November emerged today
  • 35-year-old wants access to more adult games for his computer console
  • Breivik wants his weekly allowance of 300 kroner ($49, €36) to be doubled
Mass murderer Anders Breivik vows to go on hunger strike because he wants his PlayStation 2 to be upgraded to a PlayStation 3 in his prison cell

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:55 | 4443276 nmewn
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ROTFL! (Wiping tears from my eyes)

Clearly, only an inhumane, fascist state would not acquiesce to the demands of an upgrade to PlayStation 3, for a mass murderer, to while away the hours among the living. His next demand will be for hookers to be brought to his cell, to play with.

What could possibly go wrong with that? ;-)

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:06 | 4443680 chemystical
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"Clearly, only an inhumane, fascist state would not acquiesce to the demands of an upgrade to PlayStation 3, for a mass murderer, to while away the hours among the living. His next demand will be for hookers to be brought to his cell, to play with."

"A federal court judge on Tuesday ordered Massachusetts officials to provide sex-reassignment surgery for a transsexual prison inmate, after determining that it was the only adequate treatment for the inmate's mental illness."

I'd reather foot the bill for the Playstation;)

If that headline doesn't tell the reader that the country is run by sociopaths hellbent on destroying Amrica and replacing it with Amerika, then the reader is part of the problem: not part of the solution.  Surprised that Big Pharma didnt wade in; they have apill to cure (or cause) anything.  Surley this prisoner's condition was subject to their panaceas

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:57 | 4443882 nmewn
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lol...only from the federal bench, overseeing the fine state of Massachusetts, could a judge get away with calling "a transsexual" (who is serving life without parole for murdering his wife) a mental basket case...and order his penis cut off (at the expense of taxpayers in Massachusetts by the way, if any are as a form of "medication" and be applauded for his decision.

Now see, if an Alabama judge ordered a welfare mom sterilized because she had fifteen kids, with fourteen different men, before she murdered her deadbeat husband for giving her the fifteenth, all hell would break loose on the poor ole Alabama judge.

Its the world we live in ;-)

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 14:59 | 4445304 Rafferty
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Here's another genius on the Federal Bench - this one can't tell the difference between the  Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.   Just as well we don't have AA airline pilots.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:01 | 4443292 Occident Mortal
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It's not the attacks that I am comparing. It's the response.

Or rather the philosophy behind the two responses.

I mean look at how Norway refuses to treat Brevik differently to any other criminal...

He has applied to study politics at the same University where dozens of his victims (of his politically motivated crime) were studying politics. And his application will be processed under the normal rules (although I imagine through grit teeth). He is likely to be accepted on the course.

I can't even imagine the kind of hatred that must stir up in Norway. He is goading them in the most disgusting way possible, but they're still not going to treat him as a special case. He is just another scumbag, and as such he is powerless.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:13 | 4443312 LetThemEatRand
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Norway has universal, socialized health care, a universal socialized pension system, and universal socialized education.  It also has very high taxes compared to the U.S.  It is a good example of how some socialism can work well with capitalism, and how socialism does not equate to fascism and authoritarianism.   It is also a good example of how rational non-barbaric human beings handle violent criminals.   A lot of posters here could learn something about what's really wrong with the U.S. (hint, it's not the social safety net) by studying Norway.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:19 | 4443320 akak
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Or rather, misleading and irrelevant.

Norway also happens to have, and to HAVE had for several decades, a massive influx of funds due to the exploitation of their North Sea oil reserves, out of all proportion to their tiny (~5 million) population when compared to other resource-rich nations.

It is easy to be a free-spending socialist (for a while) with other people's money --- or when you happen to win the natural resources lottery.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:21 | 4443341 LetThemEatRand
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I call bullshit on your bullshit.  The U.S. has a huge diverse economy and we could easily afford everything Norway is doing if we didn't have a massively overblown MIC and monthly $85B banker giveaways.  Plus, you completely missed the point that socialism does not equate to fascism and authoritarianism.  

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:24 | 4443351 akak
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And I call bullshit on your calling of bullshit on my calling of your bullshit.

So you would like to see we United Statesians even MORE dependent on an even more free-spending federal government? Is that your 'solution'?

I agree that the MIC and bankster bailouts are socially and financially ruinous and wasteful beyond almost all measure, but the LAST thing the USA needs is even more government funding and spending!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:28 | 4443355 LetThemEatRand
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Don't strawman me, bro.  I consistently preach for smaller government.  My point is that a real social safety net does not require larger government if you cut out the waste on our world police/home police state/crony capitalism ways.  Make all the excuses you want for Norway's success.  It's right there for the world to see, unlike the free market paradise that exists in practice nowhere on earth.  When oligarchs run free as in the U.S., you always end up with a police state because they don't like to share.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:30 | 4443366 akak
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True enough, hypothetically, but you neglect the fact that your government-provided "social safety net" invariably and inevitably grows to ensnare the entire (productive) economy and population.

Government is institutionalized coercion, nothing more.  Why do you feel that a human society REQUIRES a foundation of coercion to exist?  It is the same specious argument that could have been, and was, raised by the pro-slavery forces until a couple of centuries ago: "Slavery has ALWAYS existed, and will always be with us".  Until it wasn't.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:44 | 4443422 LetThemEatRand
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I'll save a deeper debate for another day, but you and I have gone around on this before -- I think without collective action by the average guy we'll all be slaves to oligarchs.   Government at its root is nothing more than average people getting together and trying to achieve a common objective.  Our government has been usurped, but I don't believe it is inevitable that any collectivism = fascism.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:52 | 4443443 akak
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And I agree with you, in a sense, yet you are still wrong, and wrongheaded, for refusing to acknowledge and/or grasp the difference between voluntary collective action and involuntary collective action.  The latter is simply coercion, which is simply slavery by another name.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:01 | 4443466 LetThemEatRand
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Collective action is always involuntary for someone.  Even a simple law like "you can't murder" must be enforced by force and coercion, and a murderer who is arrested cannot be let go simply because he doesn't consent to the law.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:31 | 4443548 philipat
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"The problem with socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other peoples' money"

: Margaret Thatcher

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:35 | 4443558 LetThemEatRand
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The problem with fascism is that, eventually you run out of the middle class' money, and then you need to start using hollowpoints to keep them from taking it back.    


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:51 | 4443631 philipat
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Middle Class?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:10 | 4443927 Flakmeister
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The only problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of North Sea oil...

Flakmeister 2008 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:58 | 4444203 GoinFawr
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and then you have nothing to show for it except more debt.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:20 | 4443506 OC Sure
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"Government at its root is nothing more than average people getting together and trying to achieve a common objective."

Which government? And toward which objective? The American Republic's government of the founding was the greatest anamoly in 10,000 years of governments and its objective is the opposite of the objective that you seek.

"Our government has been usurped, but I don't believe it is inevitable that any collectivism = fascism."

It has been usurped by the those having the means of working toward collectivism. In what other direction could the Republic possibly have been usurped?

Just because any collectivism may or may not fulfill your belief that it equals fascism is not to say that it is acceptable nonetheless.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:33 | 4443547 LetThemEatRand
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Quite wrong.  The whole "socialism" meme is a lie.  We have EBT cards to keep the sheep from revolting.  All of the social safety nets for the middle class are eroding to nothingness.  Obamacare is a great example.  It is called socialist by pundits far and wide, but it is really a huge give away to insurers and healthcare providers and another slap to the middle class.  The middle class won't revolt because most of us have been convinced that it's our fault if we make less this year.  We need to work harder and keep our head down.  

What we have is a bunch of oligarchs using our society's productivity to enrich themselves, while they build a police state to protect what they've taken.  Eventually the middle class will wake up, but by then it will be too late.  We have fascism, not socialism.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:42 | 4443812 OC Sure
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The only -ism that should concern us is Noah Webster's and Adam's Smith's Capitalism which was then attempted to be secured by the US Constitution.

Stay on target. The fact is we do not have capitalism anymore and that's what will stave off the 2nd Dark Ages; American Republic Capitalism, not Norwegian "miracle-synthesis." 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:36 | 4444201 GoinFawr
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Yeah heaven forbid we consider something actually proven to work. Best keep flogging dead horses forever and ever until they reincarnate as skittle shitting unicorns.

PS This isn't the beginning of the nineteenth century.

You don't have the Louisiana Purchase to overrun anymore. If the US were to try to manifest destiny itself into prosperity any farther west nowadays it would have to annex Japan. And it's almost getting so you can't just Monroe doctrine the riches out of SA anymore.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:43 | 4444320 akak
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Fuck you, GoinNowhere.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:59 | 4444403 GoinFawr
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why do you hate the truth so very much? What is your interest in keeping others in the darK?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:31 | 4443374 nmewn
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Smaller government IS NOT universal everything purchased with high taxation.

You're fucking amazing.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:49 | 4443441 LetThemEatRand
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It's all about balance.  Humans are imperfect and the idea that we can all get along with a free market paradise is sophomoric in my view.  Government is a necessary evil, as is taxation to fund it coupled with laws that protect workers from being used as slaves.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:28 | 4443540 nmewn
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Balance for whom?

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:36 | 4443566 LetThemEatRand
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There are no simple answers, which is why Rand was such a douche for convincing millions otherwise.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:54 | 4443644 nmewn
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So universal everything, paid for by simply printing moar, that only enriches the few (at the expense of the many who labor) who gladly pay in "progressive taxation" some small fraction of their "winnings", for setting up this rigged system of taxation with "public servants", is a big ass no then?

Well, go figger.

And what will we do with the leeches inside countless bureaucracies who allowed & benefited from this system (their salaries, pensions, health benefits etc.)?

Yes, its not simple anymore, because government (and its laws) made it that way.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:06 | 4443480 OC Sure
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"My point is that a real social safety net does not require larger government if you cut out the waste on our world police/home police state/crony capitalism ways."

If you have crony-capitalism, then what you have is not capitalism. 

A "'real'" social safety net" means you would advocate that the government steal from some to provide for others. No matter under what  cover, theft is still theft.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:58 | 4443884 GoinFawr
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Sorry but I must have missed something in that screed:

who exactly is Norway supposedly stealing the oil from again?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:01 | 4443898 OC Sure
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Yep, you missed something alright.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:26 | 4443933 GoinFawr
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So who are they stealing from then? Just answer the question, claire.

HEY! You put the quote up as if it actually means something, so

WHO are these 'OTHER PEOPLE'  whose MONEY you claim IS being stolen by Norwegians?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:33 | 4444003 OC Sure
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Yep, you missed something alright.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:21 | 4444124 GoinFawr
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Yea, just keep repeating your inanity, it'll mean something eventually. Though not what you might hope.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:26 | 4444136 akak
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Yea, just keep repeating your inanity

Yeah, just like the Keynesian central bankers whom you love and their statist political handmaidens (or vice versa --- the converse is equally valid) keep attempting the same market-distorting, central-planning boondoggles, always with the same inevitable failures.  But that never stops them from doing it again and again and again, because in the land of the blind, "this time is different!".

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:26 | 4444191 GoinFawr
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So you and wonderboy are claiming that Norwegians are stealing the oil from, themselves?

How is 818 billion in the black a failure again? I could do with such failings.

As for the rest of the wholly unrelated bullcrap about love of this and support of that you're trying to stuff in my mouth:


GFY, with a pineapple

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:34 | 4444316 akak
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God you are such a fucking smug yet stupid prick.

Why do you continue to endlessly showcase Norway, with its massive oil-boom wealth, as the supposed example of the total welfare state that works, instead of ANY other country?  The fact that they fall ass-backwards into a highly anomalous natural resource honeypot has NOTHING to do with their (temporary) ability to fund said welfare state, is that your claim?

Fuck you.  You are nothing but a disingenuous liar and piece of shit statist apologist.  Go play checkers with Krugman, if either one of you can figure out the rules.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:51 | 4444327 Yen Cross
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 Akak "Goin Fawr" is a Gnat on the ass of society. It hatches every [6] months, then forms a 'chrysalis' and flies away.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:53 | 4444329 akak
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No, Yen, I think GoinNowhere is actually a dung beetle, because he is always rolling out, and feeding on, the same tired ball of shit.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:58 | 4444335 Yen Cross
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 Elephant Shit? I like it!  :-D

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:58 | 4444336 GoinFawr
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"Why do you continue to endlessly showcase Norway <screed> instead of any other country

As if I brought this up.

Also, on this thread alone I've mentioned an example in NA

The world had/still has plenty of MASSIVE (if not so) highly anomalous 'natural resource honeypots'; last time I looked. Where are you getting your resource information? Sure there are those who don't have much, or squandered to plutocrats  for pennies on the dollar what they had long ago (ahem), but them notwithstanding..and of course there are other asset classes.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:07 | 4444347 Yen Cross
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   Here come the cross threaded "rigamaroo" from Goin No'Where <>

  I'm about to be juxtaposted into the eye of some chasm full of molten lava/ to be judged by the "All Seeing Eye"...


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:08 | 4444343 GoinFawr
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You heard me the first time

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 07:22 | 4444518 Acet
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Crony Capitalism is the natural state towards which a Capitalist system degrades: in simple terms there is a much better ROI in buying lawmakers and law-enforcers than in competing, especially in a system that promotes a "greed is good" vision, so those with capital buy the law to rig the playing field and hence make more capital, which they then use to do even more buying of the law and so on.

The whole theory of Capitalism is as much a pie in the sky, magical unicorn land, humans are perfect shit as Communism:

- Communism depends on everybody not being greedy, selfish and corruptible.

- Capitalism depends on lawmakers and law enforcers not being greedy, selfish and corruptible.


If somebody was to magically create a pure and unadulterated Free Market system, in a couple of decades it would end up as the same corrupt Crony Capitalism shit we have today.

I think that's the point that LTER is making: whatever is the best system, it's somewhere in the middle, not some kind of "pure" Capitalism or Socialism.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 09:48 | 4444665 OC Sure
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Sorry, Acet, I still don't buy it. When standing in the Middle-of-the-Road you will get run over.

The problem with so many Capitalism vs. Socialism debates anywhere and not just on internet threads is that the argumentation either for or against either position is too often from an economic viewpoint.

The fundamental determination of either system is ethics and not politics. It is a moral issue, not economic.

Capitalism champions an individual's right to live for their own sake; Socialism champions that individual's are their brother's keeper.

Ben Franklin, and Founders et. al., knew that morality is the cornerstone of a successful republic:

"there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other." -Ben Franklin, Speech prior to signing the Constitution, 1787.

The people have become so corrupted.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 11:32 | 4444840 GoinFawr
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So ignore the historical and present day realities and focus on the fantasy!

"If you believe it it's not a lie" G Costanza

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:19 | 4443705 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Socialism only works when you have small largely homogenized populations. The key point is homogeneity.  We see what happens when you force socialism on non homogenous populations. It never works so what is their solution to destroy individuality and turn everyone into an ant farm collective. Liberty works best with non homogenous populations that where association is voluntary since it is the best system to produce the least amount of conflict when you have diversity something that you certainly do not have up in Norway. When everyone is looks the same and the population is small enough people treat each other like human beings and therefore the collectivism mindset is easier to make work in that regard. You know like a family.... It never works when the some humans think they are moar than other humans and wiew the less equal as human fidos. It never ends in a voluntary association once one group thinks it is more equal without a common equivalence that binds both that isn't some sort of master/slave, owner/pet etc. relationship. Socialism will never work in the larger more diverse settings.


And to answer

"My point is that a real social safety net does not require larger government if you cut out the waste on our world police/home police state/crony capitalism ways."

Wrong, it works when humans view other humans as equivalent human beings and treat each other as such not  as equals. Individuals will never be equal but they are equivalent in that they are all humans and as such some common equivalent rules should apply. Socialism likes to muddy this distinction by the some animals are moar equal than others. Equivalence doesn't but at the same time sets a common ground that in turn breeds respect instead of contempt for diversity.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:45 | 4443903 GoinFawr
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Malarkey. As if success isn't scalable.

Also, the only gov't in NA to run 17 (that's SEVENTEEN) consecutive surplus budgets while introducing 'universal' access to healthcare for their province was the CCF in Saskatchewan.

At the time they were one of the most ethnically diverse places on the planet


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 11:06 | 4444797 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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WHat does Canada and Norway have in comon. Cold weather which in turn creates sparser population densities and in turn more natural resources which in turn brings less competition. The environment plays a factor also.

Let's take a few cases here what happens with homogenized populations in small spaces closed spaces with no growth potential.

Easter Island and the Moai. Did the homogenized people stay equal no like unequal individuals homogenized by race or not they become territorial and some Moai were more equal than other Moai. So what happens when you have moar equal it always leads to conflict so how did they deal with it. Through competition by building statues. How long did that work until they strip mined the Island of resources aka trees then the whole culture collapsed from lack of resources.

How do you homogenize different peoples when they some animals are moar equal than others using equality. It is called nationalism. What happens when you suceed you have Nazi Germany first. So what happens next you get moar equal through genetics when the people all are the same color. Some white people are moar equal than others aka blond hair blue eyes so what is next create brown white people aka the joooos.

Thankfully that experiment was stopped before the resource collapse happened....

What fuels nationalism this is important Dudley Do Right since it ties into Canada and what happens when people think they are moar equal than others without equivalence. It is the school system and the Canadian school system just like the US school system is based on the Prussian model.

I highly suggest you take the time to watch the videos because it ties into that socialism and moar equal theme.

I guess you missed the part about Canada and Indian Residental Schools and the genocides that went on in them cocerning aborignal Candians in wonderful places like sasktewan after WWII by white Canadians who thought they were moar equal than other Nationalized Canadians so the could expand West. But the naive and polite types like to sweep that under the rug while selling Canada as some sort of socialist utopia.

Now we have nationalism aka some countries are moar equal than others and socialism blending together and we are quickly going the Moai route since the world is now Easter Island fast running out of trees to mediate conflict.

1 does not equal 2 and 2 does not equal 1. 1 and 2 are equivalent though in both are natural numbers and that natural number systems have rules of equivalance that define the system. Same is true from humans and all these isms they can't work long term because they violate the system in which they reside always have always will without equvilance setting the rules which is the system. The numbers and rules derive from the system not the other way around. Same with people and isms. They derive the from system not the other way around. Remove the resources and isms stagnates then collapse. Same will happen in Norway and Canada unless the inequality of people, density of people and resources can be maintained in sustainable way.               


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 12:51 | 4444914 GoinFawr
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hahaha You Godwin's Law invoking drama queen, are you actually equating present day Norway and Sask in the days of T. Douglas' and the CCF to 'Nazi Germany'? ( FYI the residential school programs were implemented  by Canada's Federal, staunchly pro capitalist Gov'ts, not the CCF -Texas had an eugenics program after the German model, in case you're interested)

"Remove the resources and isms stagnates then collapse."

So, kind of like if anyone anytime anywhere lost access to the resource of potable water they would soon die, regardless of -ism? That's deep man. Not much of a revelation though, is it? Are you seriously suggesting that neoliberalism, if it could just be pure enough, doesn't require resources to produce bread?

My examples are of functioning, relatively sustainable systems, which is why I chose them (17 consecutive surplus budgets, 818 billion in the black) And plainly they are (were) a lot more sustainable than the neoliberalism disguised in its disingenuous ethereal rhetorical cloud of 'absolute freedom' which is shoved down everyone's throats around here.

Speaking of equivocating:

socialism does not equal fascism.  'socialism' by definition seeks to empower labour (so the vast majority) whereas fascism seeks to entrench a plutocracy.

Big fucking difference there if you ask me! Not quite sure how you lot keep missing it!

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 13:08 | 4445042 akak
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Mon, 02/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4446334 GoinFawr
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And that's all you've got: a period.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 21:01 | 4446348 akak
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"I'm GoinNowhere, the little bitch who ALWAYS has to get in the last word!"

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:24 | 4443743 chemystical
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"As of 2012, an official study shows that 86.2% of the total population have at least one parent who is born in Norway and more than 660 000 individuals (13.2%) are migrants and their descendants; numbering 110 000 second generation migrants born in Norway.
Of these 660 000 immigrants and their descendants:
 335 000 (51%) have a Western background (Australia, North America, elsewhere in Europe)
 325 000 (49%) have a non-Western background (Morocco, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran)."

The people whom the government is trying to govern, and the people who elect said government, mightn't present the same, ahem, "challenges" to Norway as they do the USA. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:30 | 4443771 chemystical
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Oh, and there's this:

83.6% pf Norwegians are Christian.  13.6% are non-religious, 2.7% are non-Christian religious, and last but still probably not disproportionately least, drumroll please.....0.01% are jewish.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:29 | 4443364 nmewn
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Come on akak, you gotta get with the "programmed" it'll only be 18 trillion in debt by the next time the debt ceiling is raised and when another round of "shovel ready" bureaucracy bailouts are factored in, we're only talking 20 trillion tops.

The sky's the limit!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:57 | 4443457 OC Sure
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"socialism does not equate to fascism and authoritarianism."

This is not to say that it has anything to do with capitalism, though, or how it could supplant capitalism as the primemover of civilization.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:24 | 4443352 kaiserhoff
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True akak, and the true Scandinavian countries had, until recently extremely homogenous societies.  Socialism almost works at the level of family and extended tribe.  The trouble begins when some groups do all the work, and others sit around and expand their arses.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:24 | 4444308 drendebe10
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The latter sounds like Amerika.  Allah bless the Amerika gummint and all the nontaxpaying freeloaders and the corrupt ruling political elite they voted into office.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:17 | 4443331 FredFlintstone
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We don't have a homogeneous population. That is a major problem, but we can't say anthing. Plus we can't do anything about it anyway. Plus our war on poverty has spawned a permanent underclass.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:23 | 4443349 nmewn
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"It is also a good example of how rational non-barbaric human beings handle violent criminals.   A lot of posters here could learn something about what's really wrong with the U.S. (hint, it's not the social safety net) by studying Norway."

It sounds like Breivik has found his social safety

What is wrong with putting a rabid dog down again, because I missed that part?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:32 | 4443377 chump666
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Norway ain't no poster child.  Just goggle sex crimes, murder per capita, suicide rates, etc etc etc


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:38 | 4444161 GoinFawr
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Thank goodness that shit doesn't happen anywhere else. It simply must be a result of 'russialism' or whatever.

As far as the suicides go, they seem to be a function of temperate zones, rather than political leanings. Unless you think the low low suicide rates in South America are because they are so receptive to socialism?

Somehow I doubt that was the non point you were attempting to make.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:17 | 4444243 chump666
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Actually, South America being kinda f*cked up and they know it, hence, they kinda deal with it = low suicide rates.  Restrained bs utopian illusions like Norway, Sweden, Finland...even Holland these days get called out when crime, suicide and general mayhem breaks lose. 

You can deal with straight up mayhem in imperfect systems, see it, accept it, rather than live a fantasy world created by's true.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:27 | 4444255 GoinFawr
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Nice backpedal.

You lot seem to be the ones living for the fantasy, Norway is dealing with the reality, and doing better than most.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:36 | 4444262 chump666
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At least you thought about it, hey?

Leave you with this:

“I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.” Thomas Jefferson


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 04:24 | 4444427 GoinFawr
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Beautiful. Thank you. US Presidents sure know how to hire their speech writers.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 05:20 | 4444468 Adahy
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Reality - Expectations = Relative Happiness

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:35 | 4443390 bh2
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Norway has also an enormous supply of energy which it exports at a significant profit to the benefit of its sovereign trust fund.

"Socialism" paid for by taxes on those who are its beneficiaries differs entirely from socialism paid for by taxes on those who are not. "Socialism" funded from surplus returns (capital savings) on national wealth differs entirely from socialism paid for by ever-escalating issuance of bonds (sovereign debt) which plainly can never be repaid.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:50 | 4443442 LMAOLORI
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So true and eventually even that energy will run out...

Norway's rates to stay low, won't help economy in long run



Feb 13 (Reuters) - Norway's interest rates will stay low for years but the economy is showing cracks as the oil sector cools off, and loose monetary policies will not be enough to sustain higher growth, the central bank governor said on Thursday.

Costs have become too high, due to an offshore oil boom that appears to be running out of steam, and the currency's depreciation cannot prop up Norway's eroding competitiveness, Norges Bank Governor Oeystein Olsen said in his main annual policy address.

"We can't expect the increasing terms of trade which we have benefited so much from to continue, we should be prepared for the future ... where keeping up growth and unemployment low become more similar to what other countries face," he said.


He also warned that expansionary fiscal policies may exacerbate the problem and Norway is spending more and more of its oil money, even as spending measured as a portion of saved up oil revenues was declining.


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:58 | 4443889 chump666
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Norway is a prefect example of the myth of sovereign/future funds, all the while costs increase exponentially overtime.  What ever energy wealth surplus that socialist country thinks it has, it will always be catching up to the massive increases in taxes and inflation.  Hence they, like Germany, need to import cheap labor = immigrants.  Grand plan that is, with the current EU backlash and racists coming out of the woodwork + the lack of integration (immigrants) = Total disaster.  I would also argue that inflation and socialist based systems lead to increase crime (murder, rapes etc) and misery, rather than deflationary busts. 

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:59 | 4444077 Lumberjack
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That's one reason Norway has expanded its energy business elsewhere. One of their projects did get shot down though.



Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:54 | 4443449 OC Sure
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"It is a good example of how some socialism can work well with capitalism."

If there is some socialism then what you have is not capitalism, but socialism.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 04:54 | 4444452 GoinFawr
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It's called a 'mixed economy', and whether you like it or not the US has been one since its inception.

Contrary to the neoliberal dogma promulgated here, private and public property can and do coexist successfully, and have for a long long time.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:35 | 4443561 Singelguy
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"Norway has universal, socialized health care, a universal socialized pension system, and universal socialized education. It also has very high taxes compared to the U.S. It is a good example of how some socialism can work well with capitalism, "

Until the oil runs out. Then whose money will they spend?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 23:42 | 4443874 GoinFawr
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what a non sequitur. It goes:

Neoliberal: Sure, Norway's doing well today, but just you wait until the oil runs out.

Sense: But then they'll still have their SWF, which sits at 818 billion today.

Neoiliberal: Oh sure, but when that runs out too, where will they be?

Sense: Well hopefully they will have reinvested that fund and those investments  will do well

Neoliberal: well that's just impossible.

Sense: refer to my first response to your ignorance.

Look, at the very very least they got something for the oil  other than a massive national debt in the first place

PS As an example:

A decent dose of the facts:

Norwegians pay, on average, around 49% of their income to taxes, while Canadians pay ~30%. Norwegians gross around 89,000 USD/year in pay, while Canucks average around 45,000 USD/year.

Take home for Norwegians: 89,000-43,610= 45,390 USD/year (net)
Take home for Canucks   : 45,000-13,500= 31,500 USD/year (net)

So even though Norwegians pay a higher rate, they have more take home pay (14,000 USD); or roughly 44% more than Canadians, after taxes.

Hunh. I guess tax rate  isn’t everything after all.

To boot: Canadians pay taxes JUST TO COVER INTEREST ON THEIR DEBT

Norwegians collect revenue from interest so every penny of taxes goes to services for Norwegians, and not into new yachts for foreign debt holders.

Now I ask you, who is doing a better job of managing their country's books,


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:11 | 4444350 Yen Cross
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You wouldn't know a NON-SEQUITUR if it was laying on the end of your bed!

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:49 | 4444368 GoinFawr
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Then that must be one helluvan argument!

But hey, you guys don't need 'arguments' because you can 'see the future' shazaaah....

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:24 | 4444361 Freddie
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Norway - the population is about 97% white if not higher.  Non-barbaric indeed. 

Breivik did what he did because the left in Norway is flooding the country with the third world and has turned Oslo into a violent shithole of muslims, Somalis and others from the third world.  I do not agree with his methods but this is what happened.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:16 | 4443326 nmewn
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"But how did Norway respond to the unprecedented attack on their society? They changed nothing. No new laws, no new measures. No changes in government spending. Nothing."

And some of us said (and were roundly criticized for it "in certain circles") that if the same thing were to happen again (under the same circumstances) they would be grease spots in the center of the aisle, so we don't need to change anything, now that we know.

Oh yeah, one of them was me.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 05:05 | 4444462 New World Chaos
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They changed nothing because this wasn't a false flag. 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 09:40 | 4444673 RaceToTheBottom
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Very good point about not changing the rules for him.  Don't afford him any change.  Just process it through as a scumbag loser.  Trust your processes enough to recognise that he will not win.

Changing the rules affords him the power he wants

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:11 | 4443311 chump666
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 A f*cking mutated nut-cause should have old school viking justice served on him. 

Let him starve to death.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:35 | 4443389 akak
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Or give him what our politicians and banksters deserve:

The Bloody Eagle

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:57 | 4443458 chump666
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Norway extensively carries out psychological profiling of young people at school to find the mutants, somehow in that socialist wonder land they missed that nut.  He then kills 77 innocent unarmed young people, salutes the Norwegian coat of arms and cries, then sits during the hearing with no remorse as the murders are read out.  He should have been declared insane, instead he gets a jail term which includes benefits and PS games and complains of the conditions!

Norway should face it's failed social experiment. 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:19 | 4443838 GoinFawr
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Yeah one guy every fifty years goes off the rails. Better `shut 'er down'!

Take heart though, the echochambermaiden propagandists and their planted conciliatory 'foils' approve of your wishful thinking...


Mon, 02/17/2014 - 01:09 | 4444226 chump666
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I just find that Scandinavian economic/social 'they got it right' bullsh* bullsh*t.  I think Europe, like the rest of the world, has got it's head up it's a-hole.  Quite far up there actually....

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:53 | 4444330 Yen Cross
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  You were a tool[ 3] years ago, and you're still the same tool today " Goin No'where"...

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 03:39 | 4444385 GoinFawr
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A crushing tool of reason!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:07 | 4443143 kaiserhoff
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I see where you are going with that, but some of it is just thousands of gay actors coming out of the closet.  What bothers me more is all the dykes posing as "women."  Where are the straight white women in journalism?  OK, a couple of the chicks on fox, but really,  and the blatant promotion of racial intermarriage is just sickening.  How does that ever help any child, anywhere?

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 14:01 | 4445154 Lord Koos
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Oh please get a life.  The scapegoating of various minorities is a real class feature of this pathetically negative site.

What we are force fed is nationalism, in the guise of patriotism.  And that FUBAR is normal.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:45 | 4443826 garypaul
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Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with your comment. Just look at an Eastern country, such as the Middle East, to see that sexual freedom diminishes along with the others (and note the sexual freedom in the West corresponded with the postwar boom).

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:11 | 4443154 Clever Name
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The best line is this one:

democracies like the United States

How quaint!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:57 | 4443286 Offthebeach
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Journalists are the losers of their fellow Journslism majors that go on to good paying jobs as flacks in industry, finance and of course, government.

My local talk radio station and local non-newspaper are just outlets for the local govpigs. First story, Fire Dept needs a water jet, aluminum rescue boat to tie up along the Army Corps aluminum rescue boat, next to the State Police aluminum boat next to the two Coast Guard rescue boats.
Next story, school wants half million for in school STEM academy to teach crital thinking. No one asks what they are teaching, or not, presently.

I don't buy the paper, turn off the radio and think of ways to cheat them of taxes.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 21:00 | 4443465 BraveSirRobin
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The problem is that here, the journalist are helping the supression of journalist freedom by being  monolithically partisan and not holding the dominant political and social classes to account.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:08 | 4443684 yatikto
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no one is talking how this data that is collected is used.

I am sure that its analyzed to create profiles of individuals and those profiles are categorized by a level of threat to the state.

Also high category people have their networks identified and its members closely watched.

And if time is right they can just make a massive sweep and take out the whole group.


Its also used for many other purposes, like building models during elections and gives realtime feedback on who votes and for who.


The level of power is intoxicating and its maddening to those who posess it.




Mon, 02/17/2014 - 07:15 | 4444513 FlipFlop
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US is a bastion of liberty compared to Finland. Check out this country. Here you find all elements of STASI DDR already implemented.

Voters should be banned from voting, but as a matter of fact, it does not really matter as all parties represent the same socialism. Finland is a really invasive nanny state; state knows all better, starting how to rear kids. Look at child custody stats. Pure DDR.

What comes to press, there is one dominant news source backing socialism although they claim something else. Moreover, everyone is forced to pay a special tax to support state run broadcaster, which runs a multitude of channels claiming it is its duty to produce entertainment. Well, state sponsored politically correct shit. A form of education? Or brainwash to teach marvels of socialism.

In the US you still have an alternative to meme. Be happy while it last.

And look for Finland as a warning of your future.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:43 | 4443057 indygo55
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I didnt see this on CNBC so it didn't happen! 

/sarc off

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:44 | 4443059 The Reich
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I wouldn't consider "ahead of Haiti" as nothing.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:25 | 4443194 DaveyJones
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we're beneath the Cave With Bones",

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:45 | 4443060 goldhedge
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Booh SA Booh SA !!!!!


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:44 | 4443064 css1971
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The velvet glove is starting to wear thin.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:46 | 4443072 maskone909
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46th in press freedom? I thought the federal reserve was free to print all the money they want?

That was a zinger

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:47 | 4443073 Cacete de Ouro
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"Reporters without Borders" should really think about changing their name to "Reporters without Mercedes C250"

It might save a few cars..and a few lives

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:48 | 4443077 NoDebt
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Is anyone all that surprised by this?  We don't have an independent press.  We have a ministry of propoganda with their own agenda.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:49 | 4443080 maskone909
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Wait! It gets better! Comcast just bought time warner!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:57 | 4443115 Ignatius
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You must hate Amerika.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:58 | 4443118 nmewn
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"We don't have an independent press.  We have a ministry of propoganda with their own agenda."

No kidding, you won't find this coming from the governments Ministry of Truth:

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:18 | 4443167 NoDebt
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Yeah, I caught that.  Don't even get me started on Obamacare.  Unconsitutional changes to a law Zero has no right to make, go unchallenged by Congress.  The current meme is "Congress has no legal standing" to challenge him in court.  Right.  So what the fuck do we need Congress for?  Let's just elect a new King every 4 years and be done with it.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:31 | 4443210 knukles
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"We" already do elect a "New King" every four years to "Administer" the "Appearnace of Wonder"


Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:38 | 4443224 kaiserhoff
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And some of us are so excited by that, we turn out and vote 130% of our entire registration for one ugly Dude, a Zero for the other ugly Dude.  What a coincidinck!

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:44 | 4443817 chemystical
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@ nodebt,

Most of us acknowledge the false dichotomy of (D) on one side of the "aisle" and (R) on the other.  It's about time we also admit that there is no difference between the White House and Congress and SCOTUS.  One big circlejerk, and, no, that's not rain. 

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:08 | 4444100 NoDebt
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Huge difference.  One now, apparently, has all the power.  The other, none.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:40 | 4443236 jwoop66
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The press is as free as it ever was.

It just chooses to shill for the PTB.

God bless the internet.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:46 | 4443428 sethstorm
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No, I'm not surprised that a European firm would take a pot-shot at the US in some form or another.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:49 | 4443079 ShortTheUS
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Anti-American media at it again....

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:39 | 4443235 akak
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Yeah, and it sucks when it's the (corporate-controlled) American media itself.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:50 | 4443082 praps
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To borrow someone's quote  'If you want to live the American dream go live in Denmark'.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:03 | 4443131 Freddie
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The Danes are really nice people and the women are gorgeous.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 19:40 | 4443237 petolo
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To borrow someone else's quote (George Carlin) :If you want to live the amerikan dream go to sleep.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:51 | 4443085 Ignatius
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"Americans are free to say what they think, but they do not think what they are not free to say."

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:53 | 4443101 maskone909
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If you want to know who is in control, look to who you cant criticize. Paraphrased of course

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 18:58 | 4443120 kaiserhoff
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10,000 slight variations on the theme of the Tribe's Theme.

What's not to like?

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 22:53 | 4443856 chemystical
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8 up arrows and only 1 down?  Hasbara must be busy elsewhere.  Give it time.

15 years ago on the UK Independent's blog I conducted several experiments.  Lengthy non-sequitur posts were made to assorted threads on autos, gardening, fashion, etc, etc.  Also posted were duplicates with a single exception.  The word zioinism was placed smack dab in the middle. 

Take a wild guess which one of the pair invariablky got more hits.  It's perfectly reasonable that someone might search that keyword as an area of interest, but NOT in those threads.  Now we know by their own admisssion that they employ people to shift the tenor of threads that go against the chosen grain.  FBI admits to the same thing now.  Wonder where they got the idea?  Same folks in kontrol of both.

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