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China Demands Japanese Explanation About "That Other Plutonium"

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The world has grown tired of the inexorable rise in radiation levels and propaganda-talk sourrounding nuclear issues in Japan from the government in the last few years since Fukushima changed the nation's future. However, there is another source of nuclear materials that is increasingly angering the Chinese. The tensions and rhetoric, from WWI analogs to Nazi comparisons, have risen recently; but this time, the Chinese are asking a legitimate question... "If a country claims that it sticks by the three non-nuclear principles but at same time hoards far more nuclear materials than it needs, including a massive amount of weapon-grade plutonium, the world has good reason to ask why.... After all, Abe and his cabinet have already caused too much trouble to regional peace and stability."

Via Xinhua (Tian Dongdong),

Tokyo owes world explanation over weapon-grade

If a country claims that it sticks by the three non-nuclear principles but at same time hoards far more nuclear materials than it needs, including a massive amount of weapon-grade plutonium, the world has good reason to ask why.



As a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, Japan should adhere to its international obligations. As the world's only victim of nuclear attacks in the final stage of WWII, it should clearly understand the horrible consequences of nuclear proliferation.


However, five decades are not long enough for the island country, where some politicians wish, openly or privately, for nuclear arms, to return the 331 kilogram of weapon-grade plutonium -- enough for 40 to 50 nuclear bombs -- it received from the United States during the Cold War.


Some Japanese experts have said that, with necessary amounts of weapon-grade nuclear materials, their country is capable of developing nuclear bombs within a year.


Adding to the world's concern, Japan is also reportedly hoarding more than 1.2 tons of enriched uranium and another 44 tons of plutonium, which overwhelmingly dwarf its civilian demands.


The ecological and environmental catastrophe of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in 2011 had clearly showed that the superabundant nuclear materials are actually time bombs for a seismically active country like Japan.


What's more, storing more than necessary nuclear materials is also against the regulations of the nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, which require countries to keep a balance between the demand and supply of nuclear materials.


The somewhat obsessive possession of nuclear materials is not the behavior of a responsible and reliable country, as Japan portrays itself in the international community.


It brings nothing but doubt and suspicion to the already volatile East Asia.


If the Japanese government truly wants to play a constructive role for regional stability, it should honestly explain its reluctance to the world and return the stored nuclear materials as soon as possible. After all, Abe and his cabinet have already caused too much trouble to regional peace and stability.

As The Diplomat's Shannon Tiezzi adds,



Currently, even though Japan has shut down its nuclear reactors (and is not using plutonium), there are plans to open a new reprocessing plant at Rokkasho. According to a report by the International Panel of Fissile Materials, this new plant would separate out about 8 tons of plutonium each year—enough “to make one thousand Nagasaki-type bombs.”




There is clear concern in China that Japan’s plutonium reserves could eventually wind up being used to develop nuclear weapons. There’s historical precedent for this—India became a nuclear-armed state after using reprocessing to gain nuclear materials. For China, Japan’s plutonium stockpile is one more piece of evidence that Shinzo Abe is seeking return to Japan’s militaristic glory days.


This accumulation of plutonium also threatens global non-proliferation efforts, and thus runs directly counter to U.S. President Barack Obama’s emphasis on nuclear security. “We simply can’t go on accumulating huge amounts of the very material, like separated plutonium, that we’re trying to keep away from terrorists,” he said in a 2012 speech at Hankuk University in Seoul. The White House has apparently been quietly pressuring Japan to drop the reprocessing plan, and to begin simply storing spent nuclear fuel rather than separating out plutonium.


There are complicated domestic reasons for Japan to continue with the opening of the Rokkasho reprocessing plant, including vested interest groups that insist on the economic benefits of continuing with construction. But Tokyo should not overlook the regional and global concern caused by opening a new reprocessing plant when Japan has no concrete plan for using or disposing of its current plutonium stockpiles.

But apart from that - everything is great in the world... it must be, US stocks are at all-time highs...

Of course, this places "ally" President Obama in an awkward position given his anti-proliferation stance... though we suspect he will have an angle: "if you like your plutonium stockpile, you can keep it."


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Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:35 | 4451072 edotabin
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Japan already has a nuclear weapon: FUKUSHIMA

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:38 | 4451083 max2205
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The red line glows

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:54 | 4451146 johnQpublic
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glows with the oriental L sound for an R?

grows glows

i'm totally confused

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:22 | 4451205 Dr. Engali
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How do we know that Japan's future was changed by Fukushima? Can you change the future or is it preordained? Maybe there are multiple realities playing out at the same time across multiple universes, each possible future changed by one small choice spawning a new reality. I better have another glass and contemplate this..... Fuck I think I just changed the future.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:31 | 4451270 erg
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In some infinite multiverse scenario you get to live out your life as Janet Yellen. Now I'm getting a drink.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:05 | 4451383 JohnnyBriefcase
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I'm calling it now: Japan nukes China.


The black swan to beat all black swans.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:21 | 4451427 Boris Alatovkrap
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If you like your unstable isotope, you are can keep your unstable isotope, just do not keep in old refrigerator on balcony.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:36 | 4451451 Boris Alatovkrap
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Historical Note - Japan WWII nuclear research, heavy water separation and difussion, is conduct on Korea Peninsula. North Korea is not have Nuclear weapon because of brilliant North Korea Nuclear Physicist, but because Japan is leave technology behind. Ghost of Nishina is live on.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:59 | 4451497 zaphod
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If you were a tiny island next to a billion plus chinese who hate you and openly talk about retribution for WWII rape, while at the same time had a crappy little army because the US hosted a massive military garrison in your boarders, I am pretty sure you would stock pile a nuclear deterent as well.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 03:39 | 4451657 ThirdWorldDude
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Sure man, after you tear apart and shit on your Constitution. Being an Obamabot, I guess that notion doesn't sound strange to you...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 05:06 | 4451714 Occident Mortal
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Would that be the Japanese constitution that was imposed on them by US General Douglas MacArthur?


I'm amazed they haven't torn it up earlier.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 06:14 | 4451749 ThirdWorldDude
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Yes and yes.

Because waging wars for the sake of pleasing central bankers is always #doubleplusgood.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 07:28 | 4451797 negative rates
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They were going to reuse it as a power source, they failed at it, (Prolly another A student), now they have too much of it and are playing the never let a good crisis go to waste card.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 09:34 | 4452032 toady
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I'd grown tired of the 'if you like your (blank), you can keep your (blank) meme. Hell, even my third grade son is tired of that one, but I like this one;

"if you like your plutonium stockpile, you can keep it."

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 17:45 | 4454405 Boris Alatovkrap
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Yes, but just do not to keep on apartment balcony, even in old refrigerator with pad lock.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 04:24 | 4451692 Martel
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Abebombics, how kawaii! I bet their first nuke will be painted pink, with a Hell-o Kitty cartoon. A cute thing like that can do no harm.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 07:18 | 4456549 UserLong
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I guess your retarded brain never heard this term: nuclear binding strategy.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:34 | 4451280 merizobeach
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A propaganda piece out of hypocrite China followed by a propaganda piece from war-hawk publication The Diplomat.  Who's the new Tyler that ok's this shit?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:27 | 4451849 Urban Redneck
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It is pure Chinese balderdash oozing from Diplomat monkeybutt.

Last time I checked really "nasty" plutonium was a natural byproduct of reprocessing nuclear waste to be recycled for re-use- there are 3 products of reprocessing 1) reactor fuel 2) war-monger fuel, and 3) heavily reinforced landfill fuel.

The supply of reprocessing facilities is rather limited (the options being Japan or some EU/Areva affiliate, since there is no "open for business" sign at Yucca Mountain). Japan is finishing up a huge build-out of its reprocessing capacity, and radioactive waste is a "hot" issue the EU right now. Simply doing the paperwork logistics for exporting from Japan to the EU would be a multi-billion EUR shovel-ready boondoggle to benefit the MIC and E&C firms.

So what is China suggesting, they have run out of overcapacity in all other industries and now want to get into the nuclear waste reprocessing business? What is China's plan for the byproducts which are extremely desirable to their own war-mongers who already have an excess capacity of delivery vehicles?

A better and more transparent national plan out of Japan for waste management would be a nice-to-have, but right now a better and more transparent plan to deal the FukuFuckup should be a higher priority.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 07:20 | 4456552 UserLong
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I think they are suggesting: If you like your radioactive drinking water, then keep driking it. And if we don't stop Japs, you are going to drink it forever, though you may not live that long with that water.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 07:55 | 4451820 thestarl
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Another glass Doc? Think that might be some seriously good weed you got there tonight Doc wish i had some lol. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:04 | 4451828 thestarl
Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:11 | 4451835 thestarl
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But if i feel a little blue

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:20 | 4451841 thestarl
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But if i just want to see the best R&B band at their very best this one

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:38 | 4451085 mayhem_korner
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I hear you can get adequate quantities of weapons-grade plutonium combing for Japan's shellfish.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:25 | 4451253 balolalo
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Forward to WW3.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:35 | 4451074 Ignatius
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High Noon

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:36 | 4451078 American34
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If Japan doesn't already have the bomb they have the tech to have many in months not years.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:37 | 4451292 zorba THE GREEK
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34...It's probably more like weeks.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:55 | 4451360 SilverRhino
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More like hours.   

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 04:31 | 4451696 Martel
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Abe is the bomb! He will blast the yen and yield curves like a shogun.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 04:56 | 4451710 StychoKiller
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"Join me or die!  You can do no less!" -- Mr Sparkera, "The Simpsons"

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 10:21 | 4451886 Urban Redneck
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How long does it take it slap a new payload on a high-reliability Mitsubishi H2 rocket and have JAXA launch it from Tanegashima (which could accurately hit any major city on Earth, or create a regional EMP from hell).

The nuclear waste issue is missing the forest for a shrub.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:41 | 4451092 AmericasCicero
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If you have weapons grade plutonium, you are 90% there

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:02 | 4451168 logicalman
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U235 is easier.

Little Boy was basically a gun with a barrel plugged with a sub-critical mass of uranium, the 'bullet' being another sub-critical mass.

The combined mass being critical.

Really easy tech.

Made a real mess of Hiroshima, though.

Plutonium is much more complicated.


Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:36 | 4451285 Leraconteur
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Not a bullet. A Cup fired onto a lump.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:24 | 4451437 pitz
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Not significantly more difficult.  Certainly the Japanese could master pit manufacturing in short order.  From there, its not much more difficult than fabricating the explosive lenses, and a few other components relating to neutron generation and, of course, the tritium boosting systems.  Trivial for the Japanese with their precision machining capability.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:42 | 4451094 chump666
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This is why ZH kicks ass! Japan's nuclear weapon program, which most likely has amassed hundreds of tactical nukes.  The best kept secret this side of doomsday.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 07:54 | 4451746 Supernova Born
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If you were a Japanese leader would you let your people get nuked a THIRD time with no "meaningful" response immediately available?


Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:43 | 4451096 skank
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Aliens - I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:17 | 4451220 Shrapnel
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One of few movies that never gets old.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:27 | 4451097 lewietheparrot
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no one has seen it

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:10 | 4451401 Ness.
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Are you talking about Ft. Knaux?  If so, lewietheparrotingfool, I give you a "like".

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:44 | 4451105 HellFish
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If China has the bomb then Japan should have the right as well.

No Representative government facing an overwhelming local adversary is bound by a treaty that threaten's its existence.

Suck on it China.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:05 | 4451180 logicalman
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No sane human can justify nukes.

If China has the bomb, why can't I have one?

Think, you fucking dickhead,

Nukes threaten EVERYONE.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:15 | 4451213 HellFish
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Put the genie back in the bottle then Commie. Until then deal with it.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:18 | 4451230 logicalman
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Do you have something worth saying, or just childish insults?


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 06:06 | 4451745 theliberalliberal
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Looks like u started the name calling

Your name needs a /sarc tag

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4451274 Dr. Engali
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Why does the desire for the world to rid itself of nuclear weapons make one a commie? After all the Chinese have them and they're a bunch of commies. By your definition shouldn't they be leading the world in the dismantling of said weapons?

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:37 | 4451293 merizobeach
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Perhaps he was alluding to China's hypocritical complaint.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:45 | 4451897 kralizec
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I thought we established with the Persian problem that everyone should be left alone and do whatever they want within their borders without external meddling, right?  So nukes or no nukes, it is not for anyone to say but them.  Right?  Shit, somebody straighten this out already so we are all on the same page!  Jeesh!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 05:20 | 4451720 BigJim
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 Nukes threaten EVERYONE.

Pshaw. Nukes don't kill people; people kill people.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:24 | 4451251 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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Um because it violates their own constitution. (Not that those mean much these days)  Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution: ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:45 | 4451899 Urban Redneck
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Perhaps you should ask a lawyer what that paragraph means... or, more accurately, what scope of activities could be undertaken without violating the terms of the social contract? (i.e. the politicians' personal shit wipe paper)

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:47 | 4451113 X_mloclaM
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"U.S. and Japan are expected to reveal a formal deal at next month’s nuclear security summit in the Netherlands."

Pu !

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:49 | 4451117 buzzsaw99
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japan damn well better have the bomb the way the chinese have been acting lately

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:52 | 4451132 X_mloclaM
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We give 'em new nuke tech, now they gotta leave Japan to loudly inflate itself away (to check if wrong, see gold exports from HK to Japan)

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:55 | 4451143 X_mloclaM
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thats why we come hard-astern the liaoling, appreciate SINAP, 'n make excuse to give us malacca longtime (such as not listening to JPM, and having an even worse credit-crisis)

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:52 | 4451133 BandGap
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I'm sure we'll loan them a couple in a pinch. Bet we have a few spares on Okinawa.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:52 | 4451131 Obama_4_Dictator
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Ruh Roo - China no rikey

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:52 | 4451135 Shrapnel
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"Since Fukushima changed the nation's(Japan's)future"? LOL, is that all it did?

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:55 | 4451150 Carl Popper
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Japan has jad nuclear weapons components for years. They can assemble them at any time.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:57 | 4451153 Dr. Engali
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China don't you owe the world an explanation as to why you posses nuclear weapons? Why do you need such destructive capabilities if you're such an agent of peace ? Fuck you and your long dong missile too.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:10 | 4451191 logicalman
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I'm sure the US is also an agent for peace, and therefore doesn't need its huge nuclear arsenal.

Could be on to something here......

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:17 | 4451226 HellFish
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Seeing a lot of Commie backlash from this one.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:21 | 4451235 logicalman
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Fuck off.

If brains were dynamite, I doubt you'd have enough to blow your hat off.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:44 | 4451321 Atomizer
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No, you fuck off

My Dad Is Dead - Open Wide

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:46 | 4451327 mayhem_korner
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If brains were dynamite, I doubt you'd have enough to blow your hat off.


Two words: Reinstate captcha

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:28 | 4451448 Atomizer
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Agreed. Math is not their strength. We take the same approach as we always have. Mum is the word.


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:48 | 4451905 Urban Redneck
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Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:47 | 4451329 Leraconteur
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Your 'commie' obsession reveals your weak intellect and education.

The values and attitudes and choices you think are 'commie' are actually thousands of years old in China.

Look at how Taiwan behaved. Totalitarian killing machine. Look at Singapore and their ultra-strict laws.

What you think of as 'commie' is actually The Chinese Character, and it should scare you much more than The Red Peril.

It's far worse than the ramblings of a pair of failed mid-19th C. businessmen. 

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 22:58 | 4451158 stant
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the real question is the delivery method. oh yes and the yield.silly hillbilly me

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 10:20 | 4451916 Urban Redneck
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They've had the first part down for decades... where do you think the Ministry of Truth launches its sheeple feed distribution devices (satellites) from?

The second part is one of those 64-megaton questions.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:43 | 4451172 skank
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War- Why can't We be friends?

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:06 | 4451185 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Shannon Tiezzi doesn't come off as being a batshit insane paranoiac, which strikes me as a bit odd for someone from The Diplomat.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:45 | 4451324 merizobeach
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Maybe I didn't read it carefully enough.  I thought she came across as a batshit insane paranoiac!

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:11 | 4451199 shutdown
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It takes a lot of unmitigated gall, some sheer audacity, even pure chutzpah, for China to ask Japan to remain disarmed.

As an aside, I have a very good friend who is a nuclear physicist. Not long ago I asked him how long it would take for Japan to assemble a nuclear weapon. He said, "About two months." And how about Germany? He replied, "About three weeks. And for each nation it would take about a year to have a sizeable assemblage of them."

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 02:11 | 4451579 sky wing 2010
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that's exactly why those countried must be kept a far distance from the materials.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 03:39 | 4451656 Leraconteur
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That's quaint, but it's already decades late. The Germans had nuclear power and have all that 'waste' and the Japanese have nuclear power plants now, all that waste, and a current and active satellite launch capability as well as the ability to launch TLI satellites.

The Germans invented ballistic rockets, with a small shove from Goddard, and would be able to build one in months and probably get it right on the first attempt.

Both nations already have those materials inside their nations. Too late.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:13 | 4451208 Atomizer
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Straight from the Israeli playbook by asking IRAN to remove alleged WMD. Meanwhile, Israel won’t sign the NPT or comply to the UN requirements.


Dumb and dumber is quite obvious.

Israel's National Orgasm with China’s Dick in their mouth.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:33 | 4451276 Leraconteur
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Some lesser known facts about satellites and nuclear power:

1) Any nation that has nuclear reactors, and they are almost all of the USA-GE-Westinghouse design that creates lots of Uranium and Plutonium waste, has the nuclear power plants because they want to take the 'waste' and make that into nuclear weapons. USA design was chosen to make bombs and only for that reason. Electricity was a by product.

2) Any nation that has orbited a satellite, is telegraphing to the rest of the planet that they can drop a ballistic missile payload onto any point on earth.

3) Any nation that can orbit the moon is telegraphing that they have the best in guidance and are capable of putting said weapon on a small target. That's Russia, China, the USA and Japan.

When the Soviets/Russians had many space firsts, this is why the USA freaked. Sputnik was a basketball radio beacon but it meant that the Soviets could drop a nuke anywhere on earth.

Who can do this today without any help? FSU-Russia-Ukraine-Kazakhstan (the Russian launches are actually Kazakhi launches that return to Kazakhstan) China, South Korea, North Korea, Japan, India, Israel, Iran and the ESA>>Read that as France and Germany.

It is a now not-well-kept-secret that the Japanese have, for years, stored their spent nuclear plant fuel in unassembled pit pieces. This keeps them in compliance with the NNPT, but it allows them to weaponise in a short amount of time. Germany, I suspect, also has this ability. It is German tech that enables most humans to get beyond sub-orbital hops, thanks almost entirely to one man Van Braun. German engineering tech is nearly the best. It would be trivial for the Germans to make a nuclear weapon and place it atop a working missile. 18 months or fewer.

Japan is weeks away if not days from the same capability.

Every nation that wanted a nuke, got nukes. It's getting the fissionable material that is hard to get. The tech of a bomb is easier. Ballistic tech not so easy. Missiles tend to want to explode.

If, or when, Japan nuclearises I expect China to lose its mind and go pre-emptive. There is not a chance in hell that there is a single Chinese who would not consider it a grave threat ala Israel-Iran. This is far beyond the propaganda on TV and the CCP and 'commies' - no Chinese would trust a nuclear Japan. Rank and File to the last man and woman, and for very good reason.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:05 | 4451385 X_mloclaM
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"Tepco states it is because the sensor of measurement instruments can’t detect all the radiation when the sample is too contaminated. They comment that the error of the readings become bigger when Strontium-90 density is over a few 100,000 Bq/L. It means especially the highly contaminated groundwater and seawater samples were underestimated."

but with groundwater 13m deep ~7,500-8,000 ppm Cs (or 6.5 x 10^8 bq/L), whereas only 1m and 7m down it's not as bad:

should be all good then, right EU ? lowered thresholds ~2wks on, but suggesting testing before eating anything that does come in (not that there's large exports from Japan consumed)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:08 | 4451394 laomei
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A nuclear Japan will be glassed instantly, them's just the facts.  Not precision, not strategic... just flat out saturation nuking with the dirtiest nukes available ensuring nothing survives.  Yes, flat out genocide, and that would be the end of that.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:05 | 4451826 buzzsaw99
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there's no sand in japan dumbass. you probably meant "gassed" because that's what china is currently doing to japan and the row without apology. your kung fu is weak. crawl back under that lump of sulphur laden coal from whence you slithered.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 10:36 | 4452289 Chaos_Theory
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Why?  I thought pre-emption has been completely discredited....

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 04:21 | 4456434 laomei
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China went through hell before thanks to the japs, anything and i mean *anything* will simply not be tolerated.  Imagine Germany with a leader who denied the holocaust, said hitler was a pretty good guy, started building up concentration camps and then made air strikes against israeli positions.... yea, that'd end well.  That's pretty much what we got going on here.  Insta-nuke, no delay, cus if it didn't happen, the people would rise up and empower a new government that WOULD do it.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:38 | 4451281 Smegley Wanxalot
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China tries to steal Japan's islands and commandeer airspace, and then asks why Japan may want nukes. "Why you no rike we push you alound? Be leasonabre and give up defense!"

I do respect the chutzpah, China, but dont be so fucking stupid about how you display it.

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:39 | 4451295 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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History is your friend.  Maybe things aren't quite as simple as they seem. 

Japanese war crimes
Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:51 | 4451348 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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I'm not saying I approve either side, quite frankly I could give a damn.  I would just prefer not getting fallout rained on my crops though.  BTW I didn't junk the op, I pretty much agree with him. I was just saying this bad blood runs much deeper than most Americans can fathom seeing as they've been envolved in horrible conflicts some 1000 years before we were even a country.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:45 | 4451476 TheReplacement
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So what?  China, Japan, grow up.  Almost no Chinese or Japanese alive today has hurt or been hurt by the other.  You have lived peacefully side-by-side for the better part of a century.  History is history.  Learn from it and act like adults.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 07:23 | 4451780 matrix2012
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Ever heard IRIS CHANG?  She said it very well in neat lines representing not only the Chinese people but also all the victims across the Asia Pacific.

It is NOT an artificial issue of Commie's/CPC's propagandas or not, or Chinese people are the paranoiac or revengeful or not... it's a deep wound not yet healed completely of the atrocities and destructions done by the Japs towards the Asian people in the World War 2: Asia-Pacific. That kind of living memories are buried deeply inside the minds of not only Chinese and Koreans but also shared by the many of the South East Asians.

In peace time such feeling is buried and not expressed as naturally people tend to carry on their lives and try to forget the painful past  but any obvious sign of Japanese returning to a militarized fascist state, the nightmare will revive and you will see totally different responses from the most Asian people towards the Japs!

Definitely a pacifist Japan is a helpful cause but thing will change once the Jap are remilitarizing itself and showing any aggressiveness.


Shinzo Abe simply has no idea what kind of fire he's striving to ignite...


One may forgive but not forget!


The Rape Of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust Of World War II

Author: Iris Chang


And here's the homepage of the late Iris Chang:


"I want the Rape of Nanking to penetrate into public consciousness. Unless we truly understand how these atrocities can happen, we can't be certain that it won't happen again.”

“If the Japanese government doesn’t reckon with the crimes of its wartime leaders, history is going to leave them as tainted as their ancestors. You can’t blame this generation for what happened years ago, but you can blame them for not acknowledging these crimes.”

“Denial is an integral part of atrocity, and it’s a natural part after a society has committed genocide. First you kill, and then the memory of killing is killed.

 — Iris Chang


Iris Chang - on The Rape of Nanking


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Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:08 | 4451393 SilverRhino
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Correct:  The Chinese are fucking butchers when they go to war. 

  • 60,669,200-84,589,300[citation needed] – World War II (1939–1945), (see World War II casualties)
  • 30,000,000–60,000,000 – Mongol conquests (1206–1324)
  • 27,000,000 – Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945)
  • 25,000,000 – Qing dynasty conquest of Ming Dynasty (1616–1662)
  • 20,000,000 – Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864)
  • 16,563,868-30,000,000 – World War I/Great War[citation needed] (1914–1918) (see World War I casualties)
  • 13,000,000 - An Lushan Rebellion (755–763)
  • 10,000,000 – Era of Warring States (475 BCE–221 BCE)
  • 10,000,000 - Red Eyebrows Rebellion (9–24)
  • 8,000,000–12,000,000 – Dungan revolt (1862–1877)[citation needed]
  • 7,500,000 – Chinese Civil War (1927–1949)[10]
  • 7,000,000–20,000,000 – Conquests of Tamerlane (1370–1405)[11][12]
  • 7,000,000 - Reconquista (711–1492)[citation needed]

Everything in Bold can pretty much be laid at the feet of the Chinese.   And then let's consider the Mongols (in italics)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 01:14 | 4451512 Leraconteur
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Chinese/Yuan/Mongols caused The Black Plague, and your figure for the An Lu Shan Rebellion could be low by 25 million - but that was so bad no one will ever know the true extent. Maybe 66% of everyone in China. Top of the Leader Board for ~1200 years until WW2. Yes, that bad...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 04:34 | 4451699 Ar-Pharazôn
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yeah. the commmie in china were doing childplay eh?

Tue, 02/18/2014 - 23:43 | 4451310 oak
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A bigger question, does the US trust Japan has nuclear weapan?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:22 | 4451433 chump666
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Japan has had tactical nukes since the 1960s, latest news report on the plutonium:

Nuclear plants in Japan used as nuclear weapon research:


"By the year 2000 Japan will have an inventory of about 55 tonnes of separated reactor grade plutonium. It should be noted that this is enough plutonium to manufacture ~10,000 warheads, more than the combined nominal arsenals of the U.S. and Russia combined under START II.

Although hard information about this is lacking, it is likely that Japan has undertaken advanced design work on a full range of nuclear weapon types. As noted at the beginning of this sub-section, this would be almost mandatory for national security reasons if only to create a base of expertise for conducting intelligence assessments of the nuclear programs of other nations. In contrast with Germany, Japan is in a relatively exposed position to potential threats with a long-term trend that is decidedly negative due to the rapid growth of China's strength. It may also be argued that the lack of NATO membership for Japan makes the U.S. nuclear umbrella somewhat more tenuous. These factors give Japan greater incentive to maintain a latent nuclear weapons capability. Should Japan decide to do so, it is likely that emergency capability nuclear weapons could be deployed by Japan within a few months of a decision to produce them."


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:26 | 4451444 utgolfer
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Japan needs to be nuclear capable, they certainly can't count on the US for their defense needs over the next few decades as we continue our decline and China is the dominant power in that area.   So they are in a bad spot, very susceptible to being bullied and need to import all their raw inputs.  Not a pretty picture for them.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:35 | 4451452 oak
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Agree, however, owning nuclear capability will never solve Japan's all problems. It only increases all risks from Russia, Korea and China unfortunately.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:43 | 4451469 utgolfer
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One thing about nuclear weapons, as bad as they are, they have been pretty effective at being a deterrent to large scale war between peers that have them.   Thats why I see this as Japan's only option unless they want to accept their weakened position and be in a very vulnerable position.  Japan is a basket case though, their demographics are just brutal.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:54 | 4451487 MeelionDollerBogus
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Except for leaks & Japan is the #1 world-history offender - it's maybe even an extinction-level event

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 01:11 | 4451509 chump666
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I hope we make it.


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 00:44 | 4451471 Frank N. Beans
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it's weird, but the image that goes with this story looks remarkably like the image used for the last story about Marc Faber.


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 01:18 | 4451516 jonjon831983
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Remember the crazy theory that Fuku was a cover for a Japanese underground nuclear test, but there'd probably be seismic evidence or what not of that.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 05:32 | 4451727 matrix2012
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"Japan has the bomb. Israel did the testing."


for the ZHers who missed the related story, here's the read...

Regarding Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, Jim Stone runs a very interesting article on it nicked as 'FUKUSHIMA REPORT' (contains lots of pictures and other data and analyses incl. links), claimed that Magna BSP's security cameras (which weighed over 1,000 pounds each) are the culprits. Basically he accused that the explosion was a CONTROLLED event!


Well, just for curious mind, go for it and read on your own the lengthy and elaborate article.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 01:18 | 4451518 boeing747
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The taste of tokyo bbq had long gone.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 02:18 | 4451589 DeliciousSteak
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China is a perfect example of why the UK has actively meddled in continental Europe for the last 300 years. Japan is in deep poop.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 04:27 | 4451693 Ar-Pharazôn
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dicatorial and propagadist communist China has a right of WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

this article is a joke.

Tell me just one logical reason for the japs to uncover military secrets. just one.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 05:02 | 4451712 Global Observer
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Whether Japan possesses nukes or not is completely inconsequential except perhaps to provide some feeling of security to the Japanese. There is really no way Japan can survive a nuclear war with any of its nuclear armed neighbours. China has little interest in engaging Japan in a war. China is merely posturing to let the US know that there is a new sheriff in that part of the world.I don't think it will take a war of any sort for the US to acknowledge that.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 05:20 | 4451722 matrix2012
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Nothing new here except this time it's China that brings it to the World View...

Joseph Trento from National Security News Service already reported that matter in April 2012!


"Japan has the bomb. Israel did the testing."


United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium

The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States’ most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.

A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japan’s modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.

How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a DUAL USE nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.

That secret effort was hidden in a nuclear power program that by March 11, 2011– the day the earthquake and tsunami overwhelmed the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant – had amassed 70 metric tons of plutonium. Like its use of civilian nuclear power to hide a secret bomb program, Japan used peaceful space exploration as a cover for developing sophisticated nuclear weapons delivery systems.

Political leaders in Japan understood that the only way the Japanese people could be convinced to allow nuclear power into their lives was if a long line of governments and industry hid any military application. For that reason, a succession of Japanese governments colluded on a bomb program disguised as innocent energy and civil space programs. The irony, of course, is that Japan had gone to war in 1941 to secure its energy future only to become the sole nation attacked with nuclear weapons.


By Joseph Trento, on April 9th, 2012

National Security News Service

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 07:16 | 4451786 22winmag
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Not this bitch again... the silly jo-whore-nalist who pisses on the honor of the Confederacy.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 08:41 | 4451891 zippy_uk
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Space race + nuclear power stations = cover for nuclear weapons programs. This is why CND opposes nuclear power stations as well as the Nukes themselves

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 09:27 | 4452009 d edwards
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No, no! I'm sure it's all for peaceful purposes, just like Iran's stash.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:33 | 4452864 novictim
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I particularly like the second article, Winston.  Nice.

Yes, japan wants a bunch of solid fuel rockets secreted all over the islands for a potential strike on CHina should China attempt to invade.

Sounds like MAD.  It's all good until it isn't.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:37 | 4453458 Winston Smith 2009
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I think that they realize, as they should, that the US wouldn't go to nuclear war for them over some petty beef between them and China.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:40 | 4452899 kurt
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It's all talk until it isn't.

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