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Guest Post: Does The Trail Of Dead Bankers Lead Somewhere?
Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,
What are we to make of this sudden rash of banker suicides? Does this trail of dead bankers lead somewhere? Or could it be just a coincidence that so many bankers have died in such close proximity? I will be perfectly honest and admit that I do not know what is going on. But there are some common themes that seem to link at least some of these deaths together.
First of all, most of these men were in good health and in their prime working years.
Secondly, most of these "suicides" seem to have come out of nowhere and were a total surprise to their families.
Thirdly, three of the dead bankers worked for JP Morgan.
Fourthly, several of these individuals were either involved in foreign exchange trading or the trading of derivatives in some way. So when "a foreign exchange trader" jumped to his death from the top of JP Morgan's Hong Kong headquarters this morning, that definitely raised my eyebrows.
These dead bankers are starting to pile up, and something definitely stinks about this whole thing.
What would cause a young man that is making really good money to jump off of a 30 story building? The following is how the South China Morning Post described the dramatic suicide of 33-year-old Li Jie...
An investment banker at JP Morgan jumped to his death from the roof of the bank's headquarters in Central yesterday.
Witnesses said the man went to the roof of the 30-storey Chater House in the heart of Hong Kong's central business district and, despite attempts to talk him down, jumped to his death.
If this was just an isolated incident, nobody would really take notice.
But this is now the 7th suspicious banker death that we have witnessed in just the past few weeks...
- On January 26, former Deutsche Bank executive Broeksmit was found dead at his South Kensington home after police responded to reports of a man found hanging at a house. According to reports, Broeksmit had “close ties to co-chief executive Anshu Jain.”
- Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old senior manager at JP Morgan’s European headquarters, jumped 500ft from the top of the bank’s headquarters in central London on January 27, landing on an adjacent 9 story roof.
- Mike Dueker, the chief economist at Russell Investments, fell down a 50 foot embankment in what police are describing as a suicide. He was reported missing on January 29 by friends, who said he had been “having problems at work.”
- Richard Talley, 57, founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was also found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
- 37-year-old JP Morgan executive director Ryan Henry Crane died last week.
- Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, although the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
So did all of those men actually kill themselves?
Well, there is reason to believe that at least some of those deaths may not have been suicides after all.
For example, before throwing himself off of JP Morgan's headquarters in London, Gabriel Magee had actually made plans for later that evening...
There was no indication Magee was going to kill himself at all. In fact, Magee’s girlfriend had received an email from him the night before saying he was finishing up work and would be home soon.
And 57-year-old Richard Talley was found "with eight nail gun wounds to his torso and head" in his own garage.
How in the world was he able to accomplish that?
Like I said, something really stinks about all of this.
Meanwhile, things continue to deteriorate financially around the globe. Just consider some of the things that have happened in the last 48 hours...
-According to the Bangkok Post, people are "stampeding to yank their deposits out of banks" in Thailand right now.
-Venezuela is coming apart at the seams. Just check out the photos in this article.
-The unemployment rate in South Africa is above 24 percent.
-Ukraine is on the verge of total collapse...
Three weeks of uneasy truce between the Ukrainian government and Western-oriented protesters ended Tuesday with an outburst of violence in which at least three people were killed, prompting a warning from authorities of a crackdown to restore order. Protesters outside the Ukrainian parliament hurled broken bricks and Molotov cocktails at police, who responded with stun grenades and rubber bullets.
-This week we learned that the level of bad loans in Spain has risen to a new all-time high of 13.6 percent.
-China is starting to quietly sell off U.S. debt. Already, Chinese U.S. Treasury holdings are down to their lowest level in almost a year.
-During the 4th quarter of 2013, U.S. consumer debt rose at the fastest pace since 2007.
-U.S. homebuilder confidence just experienced the largest one month decline ever recorded.
-George Soros has doubled his bet that the S&P 500 is going to crash. His total bet is now up to about $1,300,000,000.
For many more signs of financial trouble all over the planet, please see my previous article entitled "20 Signs That The Global Economic Crisis Is Starting To Catch Fire".
Could some of these deaths have something to do with this emerging financial crisis?
That is a very good question.
Once again, I will be the first one to admit that I simply do not know why so many bankers are dying.
But one thing is for certain - dead bankers don't talk.
Everyone knows that there is a massive amount of corruption in our banking system. If the truth about all of this corruption was to ever actually come out and justice was actually served, we would see a huge wave of very important people go to prison.
In addition, it is an open secret that Wall Street has been transformed into the largest casino in the history of the world over the past several decades. Our big banks have become more reckless than ever, and trillions of dollars are riding on the decisions that are being made every day. In such an environment, it is expected that you will be loyal to the firm that you work for and that you will keep your mouth shut about the secrets that you know.
In the final analysis, there is really not that much difference between how mobsters operate and how Wall Street operates.
If you cross the line, you may end up paying a very great price.
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Someone else mentioned sanctioned hit squads working from the bottom up.
Jump you fuckers.
The JP Dad will make ya Jump Jump
The JP Mac will make ya Jump Jump
Know much will make ya Jump Jump
For fuck´s sake! There are no bank runs in Thailand. People are protesting against one bank for aiding the gov´t rice scheme. Where do these amateurs get their material from? Armstrong?
From the BkkPost link
Deposit flight hits state-run bank
You´ll notice the singular form of the object. bank not banks
The deposit flight from the Government Savings Bank (GSB) is not out of fear for its financial stability but rather is a response to speculation the state-run bank is involved in lending to the troubled...
Fucking hack Kreiger. Keep posting this worthless shit Tyler, does wonders for your credibiilty.
I would look into the dead peasant insurance policies that their firms may have taken out on them.
Husband files 'dead peasant' suit against Wal-Mart for collecting insurance in spouse's death
"But Armatrout claims that, unbeknownst to him, Wal-Mart also collected on a life insurance policy, one the company took out on Karen Armatrout years before without her knowledge."
"Armatrout's 'dead peasant' suit, filed Wednesday in Tampa, Fla.'s U.S. District Court, accuses Wal-Mart of making money off her death without having a valid claim to her estate."
"Typically, such a stake, known as an 'insurable interest,' is reserved for individuals so closely connected to the person insured that he or she would suffer significant financial damage if the person died."
"The complaint also charges that the Arkansas-based corporation misappropriated Karen Armatrout's name and personal information for the purposes of taking out the policy."
"Only six states [2007], Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Vermont, allow companies to take out life insurance policies on their employees without notifying them."
It's the ILLUMINATI, right Mike? Perhaps Mike will explain teh banker deaths in the sequel to his Doomsday/Rapture novel (The Beginning of the End).
That book is a hodgepodge of Libertarian concepts (borrowed from ZH bloggers) and Apocalypse/Rapture stuff, all rolled into some creative writing. Clearly the book is designed to appeal to a specific demographic group: Christian Doomsdayers with limited grammar skills and a preference for a simple writing style. One Amazon reviewer (not me) thought it was written by a 6th grader. If so, I'm guessing that one of his family members wrote it under his pen name, for better brand recognition. Good concept, decent overall layout, but very poor execution (writing skills). Sorry.
p.s. Mikey, I'm predicting that your hero and his lady friend will be the 'Two Witnesses' from the Book of Revelations.
I'm glad that you're still around here. If not for you and some others I would be thinking that it's about time to get on to something else (and, well, I'm getting more of a sense of needing to step up work; and, well, spring is around the corner and it'll be time to be outside even more)
Killing bankers is something a loving God would do, and we know Goldman Sachs does God's work, therefore Goldman Sachs is responsible for these deaths. Good job fellas. If only your market predictions were as dead on as your murders.
Does make sense when you realize that no one from the Squid has given up the ghost (yet).
"... there is really not that much difference between how mobsters operate and how Wall Street operates ..."
We should stop regarding politics through the language of false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals. Governments are NECESSARILY the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Citizens are members of an organized crime gang, who have been too successfully brainwashed to believe in bullshit to be able to operate as effectively citizens, because they are taught to think using false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals, because that is the language developed as the biggest bullies' bullshit, intended to do what it does. That language is the same one that the controlled opposition uses when it pretends to oppose the established systems.
We should be going through an intellectual scientific revolution in the basic way that we think about politics. We should be understanding that the biggest bullies' bullshit world view has corrupted the philosophy of science, the same as it has corrupted everything else. We should comprehend the general way that there has been a war on consciousness, so that most people would not understand the elementary principles of philosophy, and not have any genuine spirituality, and therefore not be competent citizens.
THE PARADOX OF DEATH BANKERS IS LIKE LOOKING AT THE BLACK DOT IN THE WHITE CIRCLE OF THE MANDALA IN THE STYLE OF THE I CHING, WHICH IS A SPINNING INFINITE TUNNEL OF DECEITS IN THE CASE OF THE BANKERS, BECAUSE MONEY IS NECESSARILY MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER.
The lies are different at every level, and therefore, of course, another paradox is that the only better resolutions to the problems that the banksters are the biggest gangsters are to operate better death controls, by making a greater use of information, using a higher consciousness. Paradoxically, militarism is the supreme ideology because it should be. Paradoxically, while the controlled opposition tells everyone that the "solutions" are for everyone to become better Sheeple, the genuinely better solutions are for everyone to become better Wolves.
The paradox that governments are the biggest form of organized crime, because the "rule of law" can only be enforced by those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, has resulted in the best organized gangs of criminals, the banks, being able to take over control of the public money supply, and privatize that. The problem is that the vast majority of "We the People" were deliberately taught to not understand sovereignty, but rather taught to understand it backwards, because they were pretty well taught to understand everything in deeply backward ways, which backwardness runs deep into the philosophy of science.
In the early morning of November 12, 1941, Abe Reles fell to his death from a window at the Half-Moon Hotel on Coney Island.[5] It is not known whether he was thrown or pushed out the window, or if he was trying to escape.[6] The 1951 grand jury concluded that it was an accidental death, but suspicion remains about whether or not he was actually murdered.[7]
Because of his mob status as a "stool pigeon" and the circumstances surrounding his death, Reles gained another moniker after his death. Reles became known in a newspaper article as, "The Canary Who Could Sing, But Couldn't Fly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Reles
You are always passing around the premium stuff RM. Appreciate the post.
Ya, too much ditch weed around here.
"We should be going through an intellectual scientific revolution in the basic way that we think about politics."
That was done in 1776, and 1787. Sociopaths have been chipping away at it every since until now the rule of law for ALL is gone, replaced by law only for the masses by the ruling elites.
"That was done in 1776, and 1787"
Yeah, limited rights for ALL PEOPLE, what a very noble start it was for "intellectuals."
NO FUCKING GOVT. Got it?
Governemts ARE sanctioned violence. And, contrary to what all the "small govt" people wish, you cannot have a "small govt" for but a brief time, just like you can't have a slighly pregnant woman for anything other than a short period of time. It's POWER, on collects and intensifies until it manages to burn itself from all that it's attached to.
Governments are NECESSARILY the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
It is not called the Criminal Justice system by accident. The Criminals are the ones whom are in charge.
It might be called a "Government Justice System" but the affect is the same as the Government are criminals.
"...the general way that there has been a war on consciousness, so that most people would not understand the elementary principles of philosophy, and not have any genuine spirituality, and therefore not be competent citizens."
The war on conciousness is a war which uses words and phrases as the weapons of destruction and control. When the phrases and words are not comprehended by the people then the Criminals have acheived their goal.
Your own words will either condemn you or justify you. It is something to keep in mind.
Stefan Molyneux
He's on Youtube
When an IT pro dissects philosophy with the logic of a Vulcan, peeling away the layers of lies built up over six millenia of "civilization."
Till you bring up his de-FOO movement that destroys families, then he censors you.
to operate better death controls, by making a greater use of information, using a higher consciousness.
in the absence of the constant repitition of this statement without the esteemed author providing any further details, let me humbly offer a potential positive first step:
that all meat eaters become more intimately aware of how their meat is raised and how those animals are killed with the understanding that that animal is about to become a part of them. same goes for plant food on a less "tragic" level.
tip e. canoe, "death controls" are the production of destruction, that includes everything from weeding a garden, to cold-blooded, calculated murder on a battle field. Overall, true birth control is to encourage a process to develop, by saying "yes" to it, and backing that affirmation up. Real death controls are to discourage a process to develop, by saying "no" to it, and backing that negation up.
For the sake of "better death controls," better perceptions and language about that would be a first step. For instance, most of what we call "birth controls" are actually forms of death control, because those stop something happening. That is, what we call "birth control" is mostly a deliberate production of destruction, that stops processes that otherwise would happen. Birth controls are the most efficient and effective forms of death controls. However, since our language tends to talk about everything backwards, we talk about those backwards. EVERYTHING SHOULD BE PERCEIVED IN THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF THE SUPREME IDEOLOGY OF MILITARISM. That includes "family planning" which is now discussed through the bullshit language of "human rights," rather than through more realistic human ecology.
I agree with the points about people becoming more aware of what they kill to live, to provide their food, would be good ideas. An approximate ideal is that one should kill the minimum necessary to stay alive. However, as with all ideals, when one examines that more closely, there opens up infinite tunnels of self-referential problems through itself, which make that quite complex to consider.
Clearly, financial investing is an expression through political economy of both true birth controls, and real death controls. However, the language about that has tended to be deliberately divorced from the reproduction of human beings. In general, the bigger problem is that our current political economy is dominated by frauds, which get away with their political economy ignoring the overall environmental ecology as much as possible. For instance, the air in the atmosphere is still mostly treated as a free resource, and water was too, for a long time, until that is not so much the case now. We are backing up into a collision with the limits of the environment in crazy ways, because we operate a fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system, in which context the banksters are the masters of that Bizarro Mirror World way of thinking.
Since, in our currently crazy kind of Neolithic Civilization, the air we breathe is treated as a free resource to consume and to pollute, our civilization places almost no value on the ecologies of the oceans, despite the fact that more than half the air we breathe is produced by the phytoplankton in the seas. Therefore, we are collectively destroying the oceanic ecologies, and thereby seriously diminishing the ability of the phytoplankton to live. However, as is typically the case, since there is more than a Century of abundance of air stored up in our atmosphere, we act with evil deliberate ignorance towards the eventual destruction of the ability to renew our air supplies, as well as act with evil deliberate ignorance towards the longer term consequences of polluting the atmosphere. Since the air we breathe, and the water we drink, are even more important than the food we eat, the same concepts as apply to the ethics of food production, and killing to live, apply to the air and water supplies, and so too, the general ways that our current civilization acts with evil deliberate ignorance towards all those facts is typical of our times. After all, the banksters are the best organized gangs of criminals, who most get away with separating the murders that the money system causes from the profits and bonuses those processes distribute.
Since the air we breathe, and the water we drink, are even more important than the food we eat,
absolutely agreed, one could make a good case that AIR & WATER ARE THE FOOD that we eat (along with the sun's rays). yet since the efforts to improve them have also been hijacked by up on high (through lovely pieces of legislation like the wetlands laws and the "mythical" Agenda 21), where can one who sees the destructiveness of both sides place their feet? it's quicksand all the way around, chap.
the only answer that my simple mind can surmise that doesn't rattle my brain into schizophrenic levels of biochemistry is to place those feet beyond a level in which language can reach, like for instance in a garden, weeding. and sometimes letting the weeds take over in certain spots, after perceiving when they also might serve a purpose during certain periods of time, this particular time perhaps included. the cool thing about plants is that they care much more about the vibrations than the words themselves and their feedback is damn close to instananeous.
p.s. thanks for finally expanding on your thesis. glad to have finally weeded it out of ya :)
tec, cute pun: "glad to have finally weeded it out of ya" given the name I post comments under.
Actually, I have been writing essays on "artificial selection" in which death controls were the central issue, since back in the 1970s. As I also recently replied to a criticism from Amagonx: "What I try to do is apply the concepts of general energy systems, and evolutionary ecologies, to human politics. That process is full of definitions, and examples, for which there is too little room in a Zero Hedge comment. However, that kind of language is profoundly different than the normal language, especially since I provide radical critiques of the basic concepts of thermodynamics and information theory, within my overall endeavours. Rather, that explain everything I am saying in detail, with definitions, in a Zero Hedge comment I merely type out my impressions to various articles that I read."
After several decades of political experiments, and several court cases based upon those political experiments, as well as face to face discussions about monetary and taxation issues with tens of thousands of different people from all walks of life, including literally a couple hundred lawyers and a couple dozen judges, I am pretty confident in my view that nothing I say or do is really relevant to changing anything significant. I merely try to understand things the best I can, in which context thinking out loud in Zero Hedge comments is one tool to perhaps assist with that process.
Meanwhile, I continue to have irrational hopes for another minor political miracle, that "this time it will be different," and for a change the taxation authorities of the Canadian government will admit that what I have been doing through the Canadian political contribution tax credit was legal, in a way that ordinary tax payers could understand, rather than continue to give me the bureaucratic run around, like those taxation authorities have for a few decades. After all, it WAS a minor political miracle that I managed to finally win my first court case against them, to prove that they had been lying about the political tax credit. However, given that my ideas have been treated like a ping pong ball, or a hot potato, by Revenue Canada and Elections Canada and Canadian courts for a few decades, I actually expect the theme in this article to continue:
http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/article.php3?id_article=413
Mercs. Vigilantes. New hires. Could be anyone. Could be everyone. Any disgruntled investor, pensioner, college student, parent of a 30 somethiing living in the basement, all have solid motives. With so many suspects sure would be hard proving motive; or staging a jury.
Anyone working for these organizations could be next.
Sure looks like they lead to JPM FOREX trading to me.
The question is what did JPM do that's so bad that they had to get rid of the guys that did it? JPM skates on most lawbreaking.
Damn, sorry guys, it's me. I am the one jetting around and killing them off, it's just kinda for shits and giggles at this point. Working on my form, training my team etc. etc. Nothing beats real world experience afterall. Once we're ready, the real fun begins. Keep your eyes on the skies!
and don't stand close to any tall bank buildings.
Well, unless you're on the list. We've got some twofers planned.
You forgot to say Hail Eris!
"Michael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years, before quitting to pursue his life-long dream of being a frothing conspiracy theorist and full-time retard."
Is there any chart porn relating to suicide(d)s(') from the 29, 00, 07, and upcoming 14 crash????
WOW, Something just took a poop.
The secrets of the dead bankers make little difference. The banking system is out of control and will collapse and judging by these deaths I would say soon. Prepare accordingly.
I smell a rat. A bunch of them. Big, fat, stinky, corrupt, rich rats protecting their gigantic nests. The unraveling has begun and they are going to do unimaginable things to protect it all. God save the "little" people who are in their paths.
Q: Does The Trail Of Dead Bankers Lead Somewhere?
Do you mean somewhere other than hell?
'cause hell would be my guess.
The Ninth Gate, Mammon, King of Babylon (Yellen ?).
BTW the movie The Ninth Gate (1999, Roman Polanski with Johnny Depp) has some parallels with the quest for ultimate power.
"Now you's can't leave" ~ Bronx Tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFqMU0_RY4E
I guess we're not quite yet to the stage where pigs actually have wings.
I remember the Cheers episode where they all died a slow and painful death. This might have been a dream.
Right before he pulled the trigger, and ended her life
He thought about the cocaine with the platinum and ice
And he felt strong standing along with his new brothers
Cocked the gat to her head, and pulled back the shirt cover
But what he saw made him start to cringe and stutter
'Cause he was staring into the eyes of his own mother
She looked back at him and cried, 'cause he had forsaken her
She cried more painfully, than when they were raping her
His whole world stopped, he couldn't even contemplate
His corruption had successfully changed his fate
And he remembered how his mom used to come home late
Working hard for nothing, 'cause now what was he worth
He turned away from the woman that had once given him birth
And crying out to the sky 'cause he was lonely and scared
But only the devil responded, 'cause god wasn't there
And right then he knew what it was to be empty and cold
And so he jumped off the roof and died with no soul
They say death takes you to a better place but I doubt it
After that they killed his mother, and never spoke about it
And listen 'cause the story that I'm telling is true
'Cause I was there with Billy Jacobs and I raped his mom too...
Bet you'd sell your mother
you can buy another...
10cc - "Wall Street Hustle"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gZX3Qk9Zpk
It is amazing that we seem to be reliving the 1970s...
Look at everything that is happening either in sequence or simultaneously and you will see that the world and its systems can take a lot of crap and still not collapse.
They (whoever they are) are grinding us into submission and places like ZH might be a great exchange of information but inevitably are just places for many of us to let off steam.
Every uprising is under control or soon will be and every uprising serves its greater purpose. That purpose coincidentally does not coincide with the will or interests of the people.
1.) Idenitfy potential trouble makers, aka lone wolves
2.) Misinformation, feed the public shit and keep them in the dark.
There are many reasons for sites like ZH, but the above 2 are the most common.
Here's the deal, if your at the top of the google ranking, its because the NSA/CIA/MOSSAD(AIPAC) like what your saying.
Just for fun I dare any of you to publish and blog that doesn't suck AIPAC cock, and then try to get GOOGLE to rank your blog,... it will be invisible.
Trav, is that you?
Hi, I'm AIPAC. Suck my cock.
Dead men do not talk about FOREX.
When Jamie, Llloyd and Ben jump from the top of tall buildings, or meet a noose or a nailgun they can't refuse, we will know retribution is coming to the diabolically guilty.
In the meantime it just looks like those who can finger the ultimate villans are being put out with the trash.
No Bankers Harmed
What I'm seeing is 'brokers' taking their own life, but as always ZH must distort the truth to bring some satisfaction to the masses demanding blood.
Show me a 'billionaire' who has offed himself? A real fucking banker?
What I see is in ASIA, I see men 'saving face' by taking their own life, because they have destroyed the fortunes of family & friends.
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Who has died? Brokers
In USA it is common for a broker to call family and friend and ROB them, and then just a MEA-CULPA.
But in ASIA, goldman-sacks and JPM went there and convince young brokers to FUCK FAMILY and FRIENDS, now all that SHIT-PAPER is worthless, and BROKER has no choice but to kill himself.
Don't worry, cuz in ASIA its not done there, the family who lost their money will still go after that family that FUCKED and RAISED and created that BROKER-CHILD.
See using the AIPAC model of business where you CAN fuck people financially it works well in the west, cuz hair-lips like to be fucked, but you fuck an ASIAN, and then you better be READY for the TRIAD to take you out.
Me thinks that the biggest investment today for GS&JPM is TRIAD insurance, aka US-MIL.
Probably black-water or MOSSAD, somebody that for a nickel will protect AIPAC bankers from angry Chinese Mobs.
I am now going to permanently troll every single one of your posts.
Seriously where do you get your information from? You sound more whacked out than Alex Jones.
Show you a billionaire that has offed himself? Read the news Robert W. Wilson. Dec. 23rd, 2013. Jumped from a building at 87yrs of age in New York City.
Satoshi makes a couple of good points here. Your argument is weak as Robert W. Wilson was not a "real fucking banker". This whole rash of bankers killing themselves thing is trumped up and pretty silly. He makes a good point as to how the US "wolf of wall street" style may not be as sucessful in other cultures.
Thanks Fred, the real title should be ...
"Low level Goldman-Sacks and JPM employees take their own lives in shame for destroying people that they love".
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WRT to our TROLL above, ... there is a good story yesterday about troll's being sociopaths, I suggest our troll go read that articles.
How to eat an Internet troll San Francisco Chronicle (blog) - 21 hours ago Sociopathic, sadistic, narcissistic, cruel by nature, highly unpleasant to be around. They love to cause pain. They delight in ruining the beautiful.A scientific analysis of internet trolls finds that yes, they're actually ... Discover Magazine (blog)
I am here to learn from everybody and anybody. I can't believe that anybody would waste their time harassing and threatening just because they have a dislike for what somebody posted or their style. Unless they are a true troll as you refer to.
The trolls on ZH all have a pattern, been here more than a year without being deleted, banned, or purged.
That is telling.
Care to expand?
I don't rule out anything. And for sure we KNOW there are paid trolls: problem is, even if there were just two of them we might suspect that there are way more than that, and at that point it all pretty much goes into the toilet...
Does Christen Schnor work?
"One of HSBC’s leading bankers has been found dead after apparently committing suicide in a five-star London hotel room."
Here's a bunch more::
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22292
Christen Schnor
Was he a 'billionaire' a GUY that run's things and call's the SHOTS?
Fuck NO.
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Has one fucking "RICH 'BILLIONAIRE' AIPAC BANKER" that rules the world, killed himself?
A BIG NO.
Stanley Fischer is the only banker I have found, pending minute researching, that I saw openly working in conjunction with them. If I had to make a brash assumption, I would agree and guess there are many more that are of the same decent.
I'm not down voting your posts, trolling maybe a step over the line on that comment, but I just am trying to align your significant differences between what I perceive to be high-power bankers / financial elites and the ones involved with AIPAC. I feel they all have their hands in the same pot at one point and now that that pot is shrinking it's time to start smacking hands to get out.
Stanley Fischer is the only banker I have found
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Now the TROLL has completely changed the subject, Mr. Fischer is alive and well and run's the "BANK OF ISRAEL", where AIPAC keeps all the stolen loot that they have robbed from the USA since 1911 when the created the FEDERAL-RESERVE.
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Mr. Fischer & BOI today announced that "BITCOIN IS A FRAUD", me thinks that there will be suicide everywhere once all the nerds realize they have lost all, and those who suckered their familys into BITCOIN. Thus suicide by the 1,000's.
Then our OP can post the assertions "Where does the death of all these BITCOIN customers lead us?" The answer to that question is back to the AIPAC (NSA,CIA,&MOSSAD).
Nah, They'll commit Virtual Suicide.
it's the guys who work for "RICH 'BILLIONAIRE' AIPAC BANKER" that rules the world, killed themselves, or got killed.
Those poor guys probably are "disposable white gloves."
Christen Schnor,
He was found in a wardrobe hanging by his belt.
The 49-year-old left a letter written in Danish which suggested problems in his marriage to his wife, Marianne.
Today coroner's officer Terry Lovegrove said: "Although a married man, it appears his marriage had been in difficulty for a while."
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Guy's kill themselves by the 1,000's everyday over their sucky marriage and one happens to be a low level fucking HSBC Whore, is this best to you can do to prove the assertion that "BANKERS ARE KILLING THEMSELVES", cuz of the market?
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Let's GO back to the BULLSHIT assertion "Does the trail of dead bankers lead anywhere?" NO it doesn't, and the one that did kill himself left a fucking note that his wife made him do it.
A few in '08 and '09? Weak.
Let's assume that there has been a rash of bankers killing themselves. What do you think that this all means?
"Does the trail of dead bankers lead anywhere?"
Well it apparently doesn't because we can't find any.
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The more rational question is does this stupid fucking POST have any rational purpose?
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Me thinks the AUTHOR wants to CONFUSE people to yesterdays death that BEING A 'banker', ... but it wasn't now, this shit works well on TV and the MEDIA.
Me thinks that the MSM(AIPAC PTB) would love nothing more than to make the PUBLIC believe that BANKERS are killing themselves, ... and of course they are NOT.
I was trying to humor Denver Omelet and understand his reasoning. He wants to believe that either bankers are killing themselves or he wants others to believe that.
He's a TROLL, an he's not getting the kind of attention he wants, so his response is normal for his kind.
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Best bet, because this is an interesting theoretical subject of 'banker suicide', albeit non-factual.
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Just keep the TROLL on SUBJECT.
"Does the trail of banker deaths lead any where?"
Get the troll to answer that question.
[ Of course we know there are no body's so this reminds me of Sherlock Holmes, where he has been called in to research a string of deaths, only to find they never occured, but then finds a real treasure of death in a location that was overlooked by all. ]
Again not downvoting either of you.
Let's assume? I don't think it really means anything. I think the entire things could be coincidental. I think that when wealthy people go belly up and reality sets in that they don't have the balls to trudge through it and be a real person, they kill themselves or self destruct in some manner, which in comparison to people not of financial well being we have to man up and learn from our mistakes.
I could be wrong and it all could be connected, but I don't really think there is any connection.
Focus on the OP assertion
"Does the trail of dead bankers lead anywhere?
The answer is NO, becasue there aren't any.
Case closed.
Denver, I hear ya.
Denver is missing the point the RICH ain't killing themselves or dying, its the poor that are killing themselves, dying, and being killed.
No RICH are victims in this fucking orchestrated crocodile tear festival.
"wolf of wall street" is not successful in other cultures,... you mean the entire world is NOT MUPPETS?
My god tell me it ain't so :(
Fred, that's the real problem here, is that 90% of the comments and posters on ZH are ex-gs/jpm brokers and such, and they really do think the world is full of muppets and if you tell them otherwise,they do the PAVLOVIAN shutdown, ... and have a conniption.
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In the REAL WORLD, outside of American HAIR-LIP nation's, the world KILLS YOU & YOUR FAMILY IF YOU fuck ANOTHER family.
Taking your own life in ASIAN culture or even the MAFIA is what is expected of you, if you FUCK your family.
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Biggest problem here is that ZH being a GOLDMAN-SACKS PAUL-SINGER whorehouse, is that the plantation owners here got to convince young brokers to go sell TRASH to their family, ... so OUR message here from me&you FRED, doesn't go well with TRIBE AIPAC (GS/JPM).
You're absolutely right.
Pull this in China, Italy, Brazil, Japan & you'll get executed one way or another. Russia: puh-LEAZE. Anything eastern-bloc + Russia & they'll cut your CHILDREN up in front of you before cutting your balls off.
Finance
Insurance
Real-
Estate (mortgages)
It's time for all the parasites who profit from usury to be removed, otherwise the host is going to die.
Whatever is going on - it seems to be piecemeal. Sure there were 3 from JPM but so what? Are they from the same unit?
They're also mid-level guys not top of the line so why take out midlevels? What can they do? Who would believe them?
It may be more of a signal to the banks - Look, this is what will happen to more of you if you don't continue to play ball.
Otherwise I don't see it as the dead having anything really to say. Except by their deaths.
I'll pay more attention when they start spraying lead all over their bosses.
And their bosses bosses...
so why take out midlevels? --> those midlevels probably know too much about the high-levels. You know high-levels always need some mid-levels to handle the "dirty jobs", in order to shield themselves from anything that's dirty, right?
Its all a LIEbor!!
HARP?
scopolamine?
the same people who believe that these deaths are suicides are the same people who believe lee oswald murdered kennedy, that the holocaust is an historical event, that the usa landed a man on the moon, that 9/11 was done by al qaeda, that sirhan sirhan killed robert kennedy, that the communists started the vietnam war, that fort knox has anything but gold plated tungsten, and that skittle shitting unicorns are going to lay a 24 kt gold turd on their front porches tonight....
Well, if you happen to know any "skittle shitting unicorns" excreting 24 kt gold turds send them by my place and let them know I'll leave the lights on.
Just want to make sure they hit the front porch.
Mixing truth & fiction gets you no credit.
There have been many holocausts & each has been verified with bodies & murder sites, be it mass graves, ovens, gas chambers, whatever else the case may be.
There's not one holocaust/genocide you can name which hasn't been matched to hundreds to hundreds of thousands of graves, bodies & killing machines.
Its raining banksters - woohoo.
http://www.silverdoctors.com/jim-willie-on-bankster-suicides-bankers-were-taken-out-to-prevent-forex-fraud-whistle-blowing/
I love conspiracy theories as much as anyone here, but my guess is that these are low to mid level forex guys, who by definition are playing on the outside of the regular crosses just to get yield. Margin is a killer when you are wrong by 10 bps, how about 100?
Tell me how many forex guys had their ass handed to them since the beginning of the year on EM bets? Most of them would be my bet. These are the ones that culled themselves from the herd.
Doesn't explain the nail gun dude, but the rest of them probably blew their brains out in the market and then splattered them on the pavement.
Divine justice on earth? I'm waiting for Dimon and Blankfein to jump too. That'd prove God exists. Take that St. Austin.
JPM death squads, GS hitmen, Deutsche Bank cleaners, HSBC asssasins..? Take your pick.
There are so many murders. George bush senior did slip up once, he warned against messing with his son, (as jr was running for pres), and he said "dont mess with him, I know where all the bodies are buried."
no one should get the idea that snowden just standing on a street corner in china and getting world attention means that free media is just waiting for you to blow a whistle. NO. Media doesnt discuss anything unless directed. Face it, we will find ourselves like other countries where protesting, equals prison.
Interesting, according to this only about 20 bankers and 100 others offed themselves during the last depression. I woulda thought it would be more.........
"Historically, bankers have been stereotyped as the most likely to commit suicide. This has a lot to do with the famous 1929 stock market crash, which resulted in 1,616 banks failing and more than 20,000 businesses going bankrupt. The number of bankers committing suicide directly after the crash is thought to have been only around 20, with another 100 people connected to the financial industry dying at their own hand within the year."
http://www.ibtimes.com/suicide-among-bankers-appears-be-rise-again-press...
The snake is shedding its skin:
Which doesn't mean the snake will die, au contraire,
it merely means that only the skin is dead: a natural process.
"Truth always rests with the minority,
and the minority is always stronger than the majority,
because the minority is generally formed
by those who really have an opinion,
while the strength of a majority is illusory,
formed by the gangs who have no opinion --
and who, therefore, in the next instant
(when it is evident that the minority is the stronger)
assume its opinion ... while Truth again reverts to a new minority."
-- Soren Kierkegaard
Interesting. Thank you.
There's some truth there. But something is also missing. It gives the impression that truth slides around. It doesn't.
Truth is a foundation. You may view it from different perspectives and gain greater understanding - but it does not change because you looked elsewhere.
I think catch is the implication that the majority accepts truth, without understanding it. What he's saying is that a minority always understands more than the rest.
It's the majority that is sliding around.
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There are a few things that separate those who are in control from the rest of humanity.
1. They have no respect for human beings and their lives .... this is a weakness, not a strength.
2. They are afraid, very afraid of being discovered for what they are and discarded as unneeded and unwanted
3. They cannot win in a fair fight.
4. They steal from humanity because they can create nothing original themselves
... and so to avoid being discovered for what they are, they kill ... and that more than anything separates them from real human beings.
I agree with the sentiment completely. Not so sure about the philosophy.
"Those who are in control" meaning those who inluence others in a large way? A person is always in control of themselves. They may choose to follow someone else, but they are doing the choosing.
Influence can be good or bad. It is a tool like anything else.
Are people who choose power above all else not human? Or are they just people who have made a poor choice?
once I met a sheeple, then herds of sheeple, I realized they are no more than 5% in control of themselves and most of that 5% is devoted to when to get high, drunk & pee.
That's about it.
Is the real GW really Micheal Snyder?
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/more-americans-committing-suicide...
Very Disney like.... Pirates of the Carrabean.... "Dead men tell no tales"
We've had 'rogue traders' in some pretty tough spots but none has killed themselves ( that we know of) and if you are 'offing people' tossing them from skyscraper rooftops in a world of ubiquitous CCTV cameras is not very advisable. Losing your position in life is probably a bigger problem than losing a billion of more your employers money. Being exposed as a pedophile or homosexual may be a common thread.
The WEP (Witness Elimination Prgram) doing what it does best... eliminate potential witnesses.
"Does The Trail Of Dead Bankers Lead Somewhere?"
Dunno, maybe if there was more of them.
Before you can find MOAR dead bankers you have find at least one.
So far our search is not looking well.
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More telling is how many BTC sucides well occur in the next week, and 'where will that trail of dead bodies lead us?'
Just today we have ...
1.) MT-GOX to declare bankruptcy, all attorneys ask clients to DEMAND CASH restitution and not BTC, as BTC will have no value
2.) Bank of Israel today declared that BITCOIN is a fraud, ... that my friends means GAME-OVER.
3.) Winkelvoss Twins announce they will create their owning pricing MECHANISM for BITCOIN to ensure they can liquidate their holdings at high price, before the muppets are left holding the bag.
lmfao what a maroon
BTC 3 big story's today
Israel
MT-GOX
Winkelfuck
ZH not touch one of them, .. da why?
Winkelvoss Twins - Fucked Again. Good thing they have such wonderful high class educations. It seems to me these guys must have been born with the biggest silver spoon in their mouths, ever, and 1/2 set of brains. They have great ideas and screw themselves pretty good on each one, then sue. Typical. Who will they sue to get their $$$ // Bitcoin?
By the way, look to the Mossad to have screwed up the BTC blocks. It's just sounds too suspicious for the Bank of Israel to have made such a statement, if, in fact, they did. All of a sudden, every Hassid in Brooklyn will be paying in Bitcoin when they pop back over $1,000. Oy, who knew?
So, here's an interesting thing to contemplate, and it's not the first time I've seen it.
I logged in to respond to some bone-headed comment, and the number of comment pages went from 4 to 2, with the aforementioned comment completely AWOL.
I don't care to make a big thing of it, as that seems to be an entirely fruitless endeavor, but it does raise some questions that are worth chewing on a little- especially when you begin to wonder how many comments here are genuine, and how many are just fluffers to rack up the view/comment count.
The ones that disappeared were the newbies- all the old-ish posters are still on the logged-in comment.
ZH staffers? It would make sense to me to do that if I were going for hits while trying not to piss off the old-timers. I can't imagine any other reason for the logged-in experience to vary 100% from the anonymous browser experience.
I think it has to do with the comments per page setting for logged in users vs the default for anon browsers. It has long been the case that if a comment is off the front clicking a direct link to said post takes you to the top of page one. Any conversation past page one is extremely hard to follow and scrape. Old timers used to get pissed when people would stack replies on the first poster not only because it compresses the page to the right but because lots of comments wind up on page 2 where it is hard to get to easily.
No, I know all that. Saw it again tonight, and then went back to check the responses to the first post (this one.) I was going to reply to a post by DoChen, and it was gone when I signed in. Saw another by him, but not the one I intended to address, and I am a very thourough individual.
It's not a comment per page issue, it's actually censored, either intentionally or through a bit of bad code- and that really could be the answer here. Sometimes a giltch is really hard to find. Definitely some bugs in this site, though- searched myself to find this thread, and only four posts came up when I've written hundreds of them.
Ah well- doesn't really matter. Just was reading tonight, and has a repeat moment. Odds are no one will ever read this anyhow, because it is not today's special.
never had this problem. Every comment has its own URL & I can load them. Once logged in every comment also has a reply URL and if you've made the comment an Edit URL, unless someone else replied to it already.
The number of pages always changes for me to log in because I set it for the maximum per page & I also set it for newest first, not oldest, so the order changes as soon as I log in.
Machiavelli was right when he advised amongst other things in Book VI of Dell'arte della Guerra , that a Captain should endeavor with every art to divide the forces of the enemy, either by making him suspicious of his men in whom he trusted, or by giving him cause that he has to separate his forces, and, because of this, become weaker.
Whilst I often enjoy reading the more intelligent and incisive often opposing comments posted here, including both RM and Satoshi411 and other regulars who I can't be arsed naming individually and appreciate this is fight club, are we not united in spirit if not common cause?
Whatever persuasion of or label we attach to ourselves, are we not here venting our frustration because we realise something is seriously wrong with the world we inhabit? Are we not all angry in our own way after swallowing the red pill and entering the rabbit hole?
I am not saying let's all get along and sit in circles singing kumbaya, far from it, however if as much effort and anger was properly directed at the real problem, which is not us individually or collectively by the way, rather than attempt to dissect how we actually got here should we not focus on how we are going to end it? Or merely continue to go round in circles playing the blame game and criticising another's perception of the madness we are surrounded by.
Are U Ready? R U really Ready?
Well Fred said yesterday and I agree only a few of us here see the primary cause of the problem.
Most only see the tertiary and make jokes.
Some see the secondary and call for war, and Prepper shit.
Those of us that see the primary problems, know that you can't fix problems, until you even admit there is a problem.
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The long battle here is NOT getting everyone to circle-jerk, or fairy-ring, or even sing the same tune, its just to get everyone focussed on the same problem. Once everyone can 'see' the primary issues, then and only then we can work solutions and battle plan.
Remember less than 5% of US civilians took part of the USA revolution, 95% were too busy sucking the plantation owners cock to think about revolution.
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RM see's the primary, and he clearly understands that the PRIMARY is "MURDER USD", and he clearly understands that so long as over 60% of the public feed at the pig-trough, where murder of his/her brothers is dependent upon the pig's eating, that all is hopeless.
60% of US, and actually I would say 90% don't give a rat's about ass about how many die (MURDER INC,USD), so long as they have pizza, TV, and porn.
But if your a student of USA revolution then you know now and then NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
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There will be an opening. For now all we can do is educate each other, and ignore the tertiary and secondary effects of the real problem(s).
The USA is new NAZI empire, and this empire will continue to trample the world so long as the world fears the USA it will accept the USD, once the USD implodes then all 200MILLION pigs at the USA trough go unfed and the system implodes, when this happens is anybodys guess.
The thing is to be informed and ready, and we will be ready to make our MOVE.
@satoshi. Thank you for your comments. They always add insight to the topic. It would be more effective without the bad language. Presentation matters. Anger is only helpful while recognizing the problem. Why not move past the anger?
@HighJanus ... Precisely
It's a pick n save situation. Sifting through a lot of irrelevancies to find a few gems.
Use your gems to spread truth to the people in your physical world.
One of my favorites is:
"The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it." - Henry David Thoreau
People working together - sharing time, talents, and treasures - is what civilization is.
I thought you were going all Rodney King on us with - "Can't we all just get along?"
I think a great way to handle this would be for every man, woman and child to go buy a nail gun, and 200,000 nails.
All of a sudden, the government would think, 'ahh, shit, we were trying to ban guns - now we're fucked."
Bankers would think, "Wow, those 8 nails that guy took to the body and brain must have hurt like shit." Imagine a roving crew of nail-gun carrying kooks? Imagine all the bankers' nightmares?
Too bad we'd all be stuck in front of our garage / pick-up truck waiting for air pressure. It could still be fun for a while, especially waiting for the gov't to ban sales of nail guns - and the new housing starts plunge!!!
Agree with most of the article, but the Thailand bank story is out of context. It was withdrawls from one bank for one day and it was politically motivated.
Being a bankster these days is becoming like being a lawyer for Bendini Lamber and Locke.
Could there be a SPIRITUAL dimension to all these suicides.. it appears several of them may have been "COMMANDED" to kill themselves, similar to the "voices" heard by most schizophrenics which simply +OFTEN tell them to D I E !!!
Therefore, could we be witnessing a series of "demonic" possession episodes? Could they have made a deal with the devil and were now "paying the price"?
Something to ponder ..something to PRAY about..
Mh
PrDtR, I hope you are not serious, but if so..........get help, soon.
One article I read about this mentioned the close ties of these banksters with the CIA. So, not only do banksters rotate into high positions within the govt (SEC, CFTC, State, Justice, etc), it appears to go the other way around as well, CIA to JPM, Citi, etc. Interesting.
This reminds me of the line Gabriel Byrne said in End of Days when speaking to the cop at the hospital: Remember who it is you truely serve.
I also like another comment posted at another article about this here after a jump: This is for you Damien (or did they mean Dimon?).
"If the truth about all of this corruption was to ever actually come out and justice was actually served, we would see a huge wave of very important people go to prison."
Yeahbut, there is already copious evidence about criminal fraud going on in the banking system and no one is being prosecuted. More investigations will simply produce a much longer list for nobody to take action.
Some of the criminal frauds in the UK alone: LIBOR rigging (allegedly still going on), the interest rate swap derivatives scam forced on to SMEs, unnecessary debit/credit card insurance, FX rigging (BoE allegedly involved in this) and most recently allegedly - since RBS became state owned - RBS/NatWest/Lloyds driving SMEs into insolvency to grab their assets at rock-bottom prices.
Allegedly ;-)
If these dead bankers had feared for their lives, they would (or should) have done what other people in similar situations have done: lodge whatever evidence they have with a secret trusted party for publicising upon their sudden/unexpected death.
That this was apparently not done implies they actually did commit suicide (shame? fear of personal prosecution?) OR they were murdered very suddenly and without warning, before they had time to prepare.
"In the final analysis, there is really not that much difference between how mobsters operate and how Wall Street operates."
HEY, NO SHIT????
If you believe it, and it's credible, and you spread the belief, and bet 1.3 billion on the belief, it is already a foregone conclusion in our world of information, image and the crowd.
Prepare.
It would be nice just to see that motherfucker lose on one of those bets, though. Wouldn't it? Too bad he isn't leverage.
If you believe it, and it's credible, and you spread the belief, and bet 1.3 billion on the belief, it is already a foregone conclusion in our world of information, image and the crowd.
Prepare.
Dimon: Gravity is my friend.
trail of dead bankers just might be the pathway to economic freedom. Perhaps the last chance to avoid total catastrophe.
the problem appears to be that fraudulent induction of
credit is required by the monetary system to sustain
its continued functioning and it only works so long as
a majority of the people remain ignorant of this fact,
obviously not a desirable or sustainable state or design.
the result is reporting or speaking intelligently
must be outlawed and criminalised. if it is tolerated
the monetary system will fail.
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that is the main point. we have an impossible design
that will destroy us through our adherence to its
demands; designed by proto-fascists in 1910-1913.
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oh well.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKtqTYSOBCg
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The Reflecting Skin 9/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa9vXXWPY7A
we would see a huge wave of very important people go to prison.
BUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLSHIT.
Where does the trail lead? As always: follow the money.
These all sound like thinly disguised mob hits. Still can't get over the guy (supposedly) killing himself with a nail gun-now that's creative!
What confuses me is how death by more than one nail-gun wound could have been called a 'suicide' by any government agency or family members. Shit, put a staple through your hand, then even try to imagine your chance of putting more than one shot of a nail gun into your own body.
Half the professional athletes in the US can't even inject themselves with steroids - they get their wife or trainer to do it (see "Douche" a/k/a Roger Clemens). These guys are used to some pain and agony. Bankers, traders, they feel pain and agony when the bar and mens' grille is closed at the country club when they finish their round of golf.
Suicide by multiple nail gun wounds BY BANKER = 0% chance of suicide.
Suicide by multiple nail gun wounds BY POLISH CONSTRUCTION WORKER = 50/50.
(Please insert national origin or state in place of POLISH in case you find that offensive (i.e. - Dominicans, use Haitian, Mainland Europeans, use Irish, Irish, use he Kerryman, South Dakotan, use North Dakotan, Danes, use Nords, Hispanics, use African Americans, African Americans, use Hispanics, etc., etc., etc. - I'll stop before I get to religions).
The nail gun event reeks of organized crime: Put a few in him to make him scream before killing him.
Suicide?
"The nail gun event reeks of organized crime"
Oh...do you mean government or the banksters?>
Have any of you guys ever actually used a NAIL GUN?? 8 shots? was this a finish nailer? because if that girl had 16's or even 8's that shit would at a minimum lodge deeply into bone and likely go clean through. geezus. 8 shots including a head shot?? by a fucking papercut type?? I can't imagine any mortal self inflicting a second shot...
Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky,
Murder inc.
Everything we are going through now is just like 1920's thru 1940's. Same bankers and media. Same lying Hollywood. Everybody thinks life is so different but humans never change. You have to look in the mirror and decide how far you are willing to go. Because the other side is willing to go all the way.
//Truth is true - ;)