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It Begins: Ukraine Army Given Power To Use Weapons On Civilians - Live Feed

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Just as we warned earlier, the stealing of the weapons cache and labeling of the break-away region as having undertaken "terrorist acts" has led to the military getting involved:


Under the "anti-terrorist" operation, Ukraine is a close to civil war as it has been so far. As Martin Armstrong concludes: "there is no peaceful resolution" no matter how many sanctions and condemnations the West makes.


Live Feed:


Below is the Google-translated Government Statement which was posted on the Ministry of Defense website moments ago:

In connection with the decision to commence in Ukraine antiterrorist operation Ministry of Defense of Ukraine official statement:


According to Article 5 of the Law of Ukraine "On combating terrorism" Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, bodies of military management, formations and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to protect against terrorist attacks facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, firearms, ammunition, explosives and poisonous substances that are in the army or stored in designated areas.


Under section 15 of the Act, in the area of ??counter-terrorist operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the right to:


- use in accordance with the laws of Ukraine weapons and special means;

- apprehend and deliver to the internal affairs of persons who commit or committing an offense or other action;

- check of the citizens and officials of documents , identification, and in the absence of documents - to detain them for identification;

- to carry out in the area of counter-terrorism operation personal care nationals review things that are in them, vehicles and things that they carried;

- Provisionally restrict or prohibit the movement of vehicles and pedestrians on streets and roads.


Measures provided for in this Article shall comply with the applicable law and terminate immediately after the anti-terrorist operation.


Coordination of activities of entities involved in the fight against terrorism has antiterrorist center of the Security Service of Ukraine.Those involved in the fight against terrorism, are under state protection.


Disobedience or resistance to lawful demands of military officials who take part in anti-terrorist operations, incur liability as provided by law.


The main purpose of the anti-terrorist operation - stop extremism and illegal actions of radical groups that threaten the lives of millions of Ukrainian, to protect civilians, prevent civil war in Ukraine.

And as a reminder from Martin Armstrong - There Is No Peaceful Resolution

Russia wants to portray this as a coup organized by the USA, Europe wants to portray this as Ukraine wanted them, and the USA media spins this as US against RUSSIA.

This began as a movement against CORRUPTION and not a Europe v Russia confrontation. The more it has played out, then this has also developed into a fight for freedom. The Russian side of Ukraine is the East and south and they speak Russian. The West speak Ukrainian so there are even two languages spoken.

The Russian side has very strong RIGHT WING elements and they are anti-gay and want 7 years in prison for a girl who gets an abortion. So there is now a religious fever being thrown into the fire.

BY ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS did this begin merely over the refusal to join Europe. The corruption in Ukraine is massive. Much of the bureaucracy is buried still in communism with no rational explanation. Under communism, the state-owned everything. Therefore, your “papers” were a form of domestic passport not good for international travel. Inside that passport you had to have your PERMANENT address assigned to you by government since you were not allowed to move. To this day, although communism collapsed and you can move, your passport must still have your “official” address. If you want to move, it will take months to get a new passport and you have to pay a bribe to get it expedited that may still be 2 months. The law forced you to return to change any document. You cannot do anything on-line.

The bureaucracy has never been reformed. There is no law saying you need an address anymore, yet nobody can change anything because it is as if there is nobody really in charge. It is a chaotic mess. The police were extorting people like the Mafia, so this began as all other protests – against corruption. Simple as that. The mainstream media is playing to the propaganda on both sides.

It appears that civil war will erupt for the younger generation want their freedom. Russia will not allow that to happen for this is a strategic former possession that was once part of Russia and Kiev was the former capital of Russia  before Moscow. This is likely to fester and grow. There is no peaceful resolution.


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Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:17 | 4452730 Shizzmoney
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Reasons to defend the right to bear arms #1456748999999

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:23 | 4452754 Headbanger
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Ugggghhh...  This is going to get really ugly fast. 

God help those people now!

And how many think this is Obama's doing as retaliation for Putin stopping him from attacking Syria?

Yep...  Sure looks that way.

But what's Putin going to do to us in return?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:26 | 4452803 icanhasbailout
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now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:29 | 4452834 Chuck Norris
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Hmm.  Which side do I cheer for?   The Obama/Soros funded protesters, or the Putin backed thugs?


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:31 | 4452853 Skateboarder
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You cheer for the continuity of life of Ukranian JoeAverage who is getting fucked by both sides.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:00 | 4452986 The Juggernaut
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Does this mean the US gov't will send in Al-Qaeda to help the "rebels" now?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:23 | 4453102 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Russia and the US must be running out of places to sell arms these days. The civil war begins.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:56 | 4453131 Cult_of_Reason
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Walk of shame for Police in Lutsk, Ukraine; as Police surrenders to Ukrainian People

Ukraine Berkuters (Special Assignment Units) in Ternopil, Ukraine surrendered to Ukrainian People and pledged their allegiance to the People of Ukraine (and not to Putin or Yanukovych)

No more Kremlin puppets. No more corrupt government criminals. Ukrainians are taking their government back!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:12 | 4453356 kralizec
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The closing statement is more true than many are willing to admit.

It appears that civil war will erupt for the younger generation want their freedom. Russia will not allow that to happen for this is a strategic former possession that was once part of Russia and Kiev was the former capital of Russia before Moscow. This is likely to fester and grow. There is no peaceful resolution.

Why is Russia allowed a vote in Ukraine?  Why does ANY foreign power have any damned say whatsoever?!

Likely all of the mistakes made here will be replicated the world over.  First, the Ukrainians will pay for the sins of others, soon we will all be forced to pay!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:46 | 4453490 skifff
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Who said that Russia is making any moves??? Every one else IS, Russia is NOT. Putin, keeps asking every one to stay the f... k away!!!

If any one has right to interfear, it's Russia but they don't, from the looks of it at least untill it's escalates to larger problem...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:49 | 4453502 Volkodav
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Agree...but you are stating the obvious that so many will not accept...


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 22:55 | 4455627 mjcOH1
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"And how many think this is Obama's doing as retaliation for Putin stopping him from attacking Syria?

Yep...  Sure looks that way."


You're assuming the Kenyan plays chess, when he's turning tricks for jello-shots for the idle-entitled and anything that staggers across the Rio Grande and can be EBT'd into voting for the Party.

We have no foreign policy.   We have canned answers to be thrown at anyone who complains about that, while we carry on with delivering the best government that EBT votes can buy.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:51 | 4453513 kralizec
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I was willing to along with this until I got to the "If anyone has a right to interfere (correct spelling!), it's Russia".

I cannot disagree more. 

How can you say Putin wants everyone to stay the frick away and then say they have a right to intervene?  You just blew your own BS right out the window!

Stay the frick out applies to ALL, not some!  And the closing part of your...statement, seems to indicate Putin may be waiting for a justification to your exception.

But continue the Ruissia worship, I think it will break just the way you want.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:20 | 4453686 skifff
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You missing the point, Russia does not interfere right now at all... US, EU -does.

Question is for how long they will allow this to continue...

As far as right of Russia to do anything in Ukraine, don't forget that you're talking about permanent member of UN security council, nuclear superpower...

I'll give you few scenarios:

-Ukrane is member of CIS (peace keeping)

-Large Russian population (protecting Russian people = Soth Osetia in 080808)

-Largest business partner (protecting it's vital economic interests)

-Military concerns, base of Russia's Black Sea Fleet (direct military intervention)

-raise of fascism on it's borders (rings a bell?)

Elections of parliament and president don't tell you anything? How will MAJORITY of the population of Ukraine will take it if Russia does any thing? Why do you think all of this "euromaidans" are so afraid of one simple thing -referendum.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 16:56 | 4454182 kralizec
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So the current regime just happens to be pro-Russia and there are no Russian agents in country?  Fascinating.

So, nuclear power and perm sec council member = you on my border, you my bitch.  Awesome, when does the US invade Mexico and Canada?

EU has nukes and a couple of those clowns are on perm sec council too and close enough to spit to Ukraine, so...they got a right too, eh?

Yes elections and your data indicates to me you are unaware of the pro-Russia support among Eastern Ukraine people and the pro-Europe Western Ukraine people.

If you were aware of this but neglected to mention it for fear of destroying your own bias, shame on you, if I let you get away with that...shame on me.

Now, if you want to discuss everybody actually staying the hell out or agreeing to a partition of Ukraine, fine, all other discussions are invalid and tainted with bias one way or the other.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 21:21 | 4455028 skifff
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Sir, I don't know where you get your information but I can feel depth of coverage by NBC CNN etc in your brainwashed comments;-))) Sorry, just stating the obvious...

Some reality check for you: President of Ukraine, V Yanukovich is not pro-Russian and never been that. He and members of government constantly stated that he is PRO euro association.

Russia deals only with him (guess why?;-)) because he is DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE! He's party is majority party in the parliament of Ukraine. Yes, Russians respect their neighbors and works with them through legitimate sources, imaging that! Russia DOES NOT interacts, finances, trains, conducts diplomatic support or arms  opposition of any kind no matter who they are Ukrainian fascists or Al-Qaeda in Syria;-) Yeah, I know it's hard, so hard to believe, they are such idiots!

Your "bitch" comment is pathetic! should I remind you Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc??? or you choose to be from the moon? If Russia will need to come and help nation (where more than half of population considers themselves Russian) been overrun by fascists, to stop bloodshed it will and opinion of the bla-bla-bla won't matter.

I'm well aware of differences between West and East, I actually lived in West Ukraine (long ago though), I'm simply stating the fact, majority of Ukraine citizens will vote for union with Russia, that's why no one wants referendum in Ukraine not Yanukovich not opposition, because they know the outcome of such vote...

But I could give you some run down... West of Ukraine as actually the rest of it is Ukraine only thanks to mostly Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev without those persons this would be Russia as it was for 1000 years before... There were never people who called themselves Ukrainians even 100 years ago (as Ukraine means "land on the side" in Russian) more then half of the population doesn't even speak Ukrainian language... Atomic physics or Rocket building documents in Ukrainian is wide area of jokes in Ukraine;-)))

The "stay the f..k away" part is not happening... this means we'll see more...

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 00:37 | 4455989 Flakmeister
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The Ukranian Fascists are out shilling tonight I see...

Yanukovych is demonstrably a crook.. Bought and paid for by Putin a long time ago...

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 01:12 | 4456091 skifff
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He is not a crook just a regular billionaire;-))), Putin paid him off??? you got the receipts, I assume, or it's your "educated opinion"

But to be exact Ukraine was "sucking on" reselling Russian gas sold to Ukraine at "brothers price" for years so he paid all of them off and yes Yanukovich is one of the suckers... no doubt! At this point it's him or paid by the Washington fascists...- or as they are known in US/EU peaceful protesters...;-)

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 08:41 | 4456668 kralizec
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By leading with a false accusation you reveal yourself to be unabashed druh matinky Rosiyi.  All those so-called news outlets you list (and hundreds more) have not contaminated my eyes for over 3 decades.  I seriously doubt you spent one kryvavyy khvylynu in Western Ukraine, or you would know the majority of people there want nothing to do with the rosiyskyy vedmid!  I guess in your biased mind the history of Russia in Ukraine has been nothing but one of myri khlib!  My source is a pilot and his wife who have lived in Western Ukraine their whole lives.  I trust them and their opinion sir, so please, pontificate upon chol Rosiyi elsewhere!

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:02 | 4458203 skifff
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Difference between truth and lies is very easy to prove in this case... Care to do that?;-)

I was fortunate enough not to visit, but live in places we discussing and close to 2 decades I watch lies from the sources you mentioned, but I'm not interested to change your views on it, existence of zerohedge and it participants will explain it far better.

Funny thing that, chances are that military pilot from western Ukraine you mentioned I most likely know personally and he knows me if he is from airbase in town of Kolomyya, Ivano-Frankivsk region...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 17:35 | 4454365 123dobryden
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you so so so fucking computer pussy, my country has been ocupied by comunists 50 years, you want to tell me, they have the right to intervene, they have killed more people here, than now has been killed in kijev..


no one has right to intervene, fucktard, you are fucktard  and gay obviously, as your love for putin clearly shows,just cause he sheltered snowden, doesnt make him any better...assad putin merkel obama bush.....all criminals they deserve guantanamo till the rest of  they parasitic  pathetic and corrupt lives, why they didnt  choose  an honest job?


Nestor Machno,ukrainian  legend was the only one who brought ukrainian people freedom, although only for a short period, he deserved much much better fate then ended in paris in renault factory worker.


fuck you

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:44 | 4455105 skifff
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If you're so called "Ukr" then it's not your country fucktard, where is yours, I don't know and don't care... 

Those imbeciles teach children at schools that "protoukranians" lived 140000 years ago!;-))) and no it's not a joke! it's official view of local historians...;-)))

N Mahno was warlord of anarchist black army who was a political prostitute, fighted for, and against every one around him arrested everywhere he went and died like a dog, yeah some leader, sure...

fuck off

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:51 | 4453507 Pure Evil
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Its good to see that they're starting a civil war right on Putin's doorstep.

With a 5th column of Muslims nested within the heartland of Rus, how much longer before we see a civil war nestled in Vlad's bosom?

Maybe the Royal House of Saud gets its revenge over Syria.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:45 | 4453489 Volkodav
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Lutsk is full of poles, not Ukrainian blood so much.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:00 | 4452990 THX 1178
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After the shooting starts:

Nato Countries- "Someone must do something about this atrocity!"

Russia (Putin)- "Finally we can agree on something"

*kick the treads and light the fires, Ivan!*

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:26 | 4453111 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ a billion Skateboarder

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:00 | 4453552 Dr. Destructo
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Option C? I like the way you think.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:32 | 4452854 nightshiftsucks
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That's like choosing between having your hand or penis being cutoff.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:33 | 4452865 Sgt_SOS
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Wait, can you choose which hand??

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:39 | 4452891 Wen_Dat
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How many hands do you have?

How many Penis?


Easy choice :)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:54 | 4452966 Headbanger
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And not one teleprompter for these guys speaking there in the bitter cold

You'd never see Obama doing that!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 16:30 | 4454052 Shizzmoney
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Which side do I cheer for?   The Obama/Soros funded protesters, or the Putin backed thugs?

Clinton's involvement is actually more intertwined that the other 2 (but same shit): Ukrainian oligarch Pinchuk + Clinton Foundation cesspool = missing money

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:31 | 4452850 boogerbently
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Remember "Occupy Wall St" ?

The US dealt with their "terrorists" much more effectively.

(Better use of media)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:42 | 4452911 Cannon Fodder
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"help, I'm being repressed, I'm being repressed"

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:59 | 4452974 forwardho
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Some moistened bint, lobbing a scimitar at you is NO bacis of modern govt.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:26 | 4452805 synergize
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US involved?? No way! We dont like to get involved in other people's business ... well at least thats what we were like 100 years ago.

Either way war should be good for the stock market! And if it isnt we can blame the next housing report miss on Ukrainian civil war which means more QE!!

Wooohooo! Cant lose!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:28 | 4452822 Winston Churchill
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Bearing in mind that Putin is a chess player ,not
some Kenyan rube , look anywhere but the Ukraine for
his next move.I'm sure his the Ukraine already covered.
Oh, and Fuck the State dept.,

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:41 | 4452904 Flakmeister
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So throwing Assad under the bus in Syria was the equivalent of playing a Ruy Lopez?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:09 | 4453025 Winston Churchill
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Assad's under the bus ?
Where is he buried exactly ?

You really are a know nothing asswipe Flak.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:11 | 4453348 Flakmeister
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Psst... Where are his chemical weapons?


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:51 | 4453512 skifff
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psst... chem weapons or friend with largest arsenal of ANY weapons including those of mass distraction and means of it's delivery ;-)

your choice? ;-)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 16:17 | 4453994 Flakmeister
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I swear the ones playing checkers are posters like you here at the Hedge...

Do you think that Putin would start lobbing nukes over Syria? He has an extremely well honed sense of self preservation. He and merry band of kleptocrats do not need Syria to continue lining their pockets with skimmed hydrocarbon revenue...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 22:04 | 4455200 skifff
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Yeah, I also play chess;-)

Do I think that Putin would lobby... what? Why would he? Dude, I want some of what you're smoking!

"Self preservation" you puzzling me.... preservation from what o from whom???

"Lining his pockets"??? Please DO tell, this will be the most sensational revelation that will easily overshadow 10 Snowden stories. I've seen loads of crap about this but no substance though...

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:17 | 4457018 Flakmeister
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The train has already left the station...

Sorry but you missed it...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:29 | 4452837 Shizzmoney
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Sadly, in the cases of both Venezuela and Ukraine, the opposition groups (who organically have pure grassroots reasons to be upset and want regime change, like students and workers) are being spearheaded by obvious CIA US involvement (who is trying to take advantage of the situation so that US corporations can scoop up the spoils after the rubble clears).


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:47 | 4452940 BandGap
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Ready made armies.

Same as it ever was.

What event started WW1 again?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:18 | 4453075 Meat Hammer
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Hey, remember when Hugo Chavez was claiming that the CIA was scheming to create civil unrest in Venezuela so as to overthrow his regime?

And then he died.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:38 | 4453177 TheReplacement
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If I'm a Ukranian protester and the CIA offers support, I take it.  The enemy is the government.  Have to beat them before any ties to the CIA become relevant.  Deal with the CIA later. 

The point?  Perhaps the protesters are genuine.  Perhaps we should support them in their struggle even if we don't like who is helping them.  Perhaps they will be united and strong enough to ditch the CIA once they win.  Perhaps not.  It is up to them. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:24 | 4453709 4r7lukm
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Lots of shills downvoting your comment, but the reality is ANY time there's major civil unrest in a country, the CIA and the banksters will try to get involved. It doesn't matter if the unrest started out of perfectly legitimate protests or if the whole thing was provoked by outsiders -- the manipulators will always try to get in on the situation. I'm not a fan of the EUSSR and I'm not a fan of putin's tyranny either. My hope is the ukrainian people will succeed in overthrowing this tyranny, and it'll be a great example to the rest of the world. Once independent, they should trade openly with everyone (including the eu), but be beholden to no one. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:39 | 4453816 skifff
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"If I'm a Ukranian protester and the CIA offers support, I take it"- in some parts of the world;-), maybe even in all of it, things like conspiracy to overthrow the government is punishable by death...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:46 | 4452933 BandGap
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After the reality show "how to Bar-B-Que a BMP" aired a few days ago I think we can do away with the phrase "this is really going to get ugly fast"

Thank you, now back to your regular programming.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:50 | 4452947 curbyourrisk
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Now that the Russian hockey team has been eliminated... Putin has more time on his hands and NOW HE IS PISSED OFF.


Mother Russia has an axe to grind...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:12 | 4453037 holgerdanske
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Could be many in the western world in a couple of years. We have many rotten to the core politicians, and just look at some of the political decissions forced through in spite of popular desire, corruption, you bet!.

The whole world is wearing off course, and parts of the population are being driven into opposition to the government.

The rest are either too stupid to realize what is going on, or busy watching some pop idiot or other.


Don't only feel sorry for the people in the Ukraine, feel sorry for your own people too.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:28 | 4453120 Meat Hammer
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OT, but to your point.  

I was hanging out having some beers with a buddy in the very liberal downtown Sacramento last night, when he struck up a conversation with a very hot libtard at the bar.  Somehow the topic turned to pets, and then she said it:

"I have a standard poodle named Barocco.  You know, it's like Rocco, but I got him in 2008 when Barack won the election so I named him Baracco!  Tee hee."  My buddy congratulated her for being the biggest fucking idiot he's ever met and we went to a different bar.

This is what we're dealing with.  

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:39 | 4453181 El Vaquero
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This is what we're dealing with. 

If SHTF, I'm not worried about that kind of idiot.  They'll have no say in what happens. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:11 | 4453344 Meat Hammer
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True, but wouldn't it be nice to have more enlightened people on your flanks?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:21 | 4453387 El Vaquero
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The more enlightned are the only ones who would be willing to be at my flanks.  It is the idiots in the police departments, DHS, etc... that concern me.  The "HULK SMASH!" attitude that they maintain has got to go away, but they are idiots, so they cannot comprehend something better.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:24 | 4453407 Meat Hammer
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Me estas matando, Vaquero!  My point is, don't you wish there were less fucking people who name their dogs after the tyrants they adore and more fucking people who understand the game and are willing to fight?!?!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:27 | 4453418 El Vaquero
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Of course I do.  We wouldn't be where we are if more people were enlightened rather than being star struck with whatever douchebag is in the WH. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:38 | 4453465 Volkodav
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You won't find them in a bar...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:50 | 4453222 HardAssets
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Guess he didn't want to pet her Barpussy ?


Hey she probably has a cat at home too ;)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:30 | 4452759 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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"YO, Saddle up, Lock and Load"

-Barnes 87'

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:33 | 4452863 I Am Not a Copp...
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 - Lt. Commander Data, 2375

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:33 | 4453146 fuu
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The Positronic Pimp.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:22 | 4452773 XAU XAG
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This could spark WW3

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:27 | 4452816 Headbanger
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Bingo!  What I just said above as "one thing leads to another" as the old song goes.

Putin WILL retaliate against the West should Moscow suffer the same revolts.

So Obama's and European leaders had better  knock off the meddling shit in Ukraine before it blows up in our faces!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:33 | 4452866 EverythingEviL
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We are already in a war with Russia which may or may not end up in WW3...but something is gonna go down one way of the other. Don't see any stopping of this rolling wave. Both sides are are maniacs

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:46 | 4452934 Renewable Life
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It's not just Russia, I love how some people just can't get past the temptation of Cold War nestoglia!!! It's fucking China, half of Latin America, half of Africa, half the ME, AND Russia that is lining up against American interest!!!

China will continue to dump dollar assets and squeeze American business interests and Russia will provide the military hammer in the proxy game, until they eventually choke the USD out and implement a global alternative or use the Yuan in the worst case scenario!! They are positive the USD will collapse on its own over time, so they stay the course and continue to increase the pressure slowly and diversify out of USD assets!! Hence all the gold and silver and commodity buying throughout these Countries!!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:39 | 4453468 general ambivalent
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But America has Manifest Destiny Easing. Who could win a war against them?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 17:29 | 4454341 Urban Redneck
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That sort of depends on one's interpretation or understanding of Manifest Destiny (US schoolbooks aren't a particularly good source for that level of insight).

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:42 | 4452868 XAU XAG
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heres a map



It's on Euro boarder...................if this kicks off .......turn out the lights it is going to be very very ugly

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:37 | 4452883 Boomberg
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More likely Cold War II, however this one will be much more cost-efficent and smarter, mainly because both sides are broke. Look for instability in the ME with a possible Russian mutual defense alliance with Iran, driving oil prices up, coming soon to a theater near you.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:24 | 4453103 seek
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Cost efficient, LOL.

I wouldn't put it past the US to be paying Putin to put on a show so they could go all 80's Reagan military buildup on the spending side. Unlike QE, that actually would force money into the real (MIC) economy.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:01 | 4453556 Pure Evil
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Actually, that's what the "Pivot to Asia" is all about.

Not that turning up the heat on Cold War I couldn't make for a profitable rerun.

And, American's like reruns, isn't that what cable television is all about?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:31 | 4453430 Volkodav
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Please explain how both sides are broke? You can't be compare US and Russian Federation?

If you are that lame...look facts

Economist World Debt Comparison...World Debt Clock

Compare public debt per person, debt % of gdp, etc.

Russia and Russians do not spend money they do not have normally.

Russia has cash reserves and 13% flat tax only...

Also compare especially much demonized Belarus, with lowest debts, and huge success Sochi...


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 16:18 | 4454006 Flakmeister
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Not to mention the lucrative contract Putin signed to be the spokesman for Cenegenics in Russia...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:24 | 4452782 Renewable Life
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This script will continue to play out all over the world and eventually come to the heart of the Western Civilization, until "the people" realize that the solution and counter script has already been written and successfully implemented in the American colonies in 1776!!

But I know, technology and time have made all that irrelevant and outdated, right?? Ok then, fight on and die in vein, and continue to repeat failed history!!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:24 | 4452792 EverythingEviL
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Putins luck is about to run out...their hockey team already eliminated from Olympics. Must commence oppression

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:16 | 4453057 hunglow
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We’re going to need some more government men.

I hope that wasn’t a hostage.

Welcome to the party pal.

The following people are to be released from their captors: In Northern Ireland, the seven members of the New Provo Front. In Canada, the five imprisoned leaders of Liberte de Quebec. In Sri Lanka, the nine members of the Asian Dawn movement. In Socchi, the two hooded members of Pussy Riot.

You want money? What kind of terrorists are you?      Who said we were terrorists?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:56 | 4453264 midtowng
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If it was the United States, the army would have the power to shoot down civilians beforehand

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:19 | 4452742 cornflakesdisease
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Behold, the velvet glove comes off . . . . .

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:20 | 4452751 nonclaim
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To call the army to protect integrity is expected but... on whose side is the army?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:21 | 4452755 glaucon was right
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Long live the state, which kills its own citizens.


Jesus fucking christ...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:32 | 4452856 Shizzmoney
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Long Live The Corporate State

Who kills citizens at an alarming rate

They beat and club

rape and mug

Until Insolvency inflates


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:21 | 4452758 fonzannoon
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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:45 | 4452930 Creepy Lurker
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That book changes your perspective, doesn't it? Once you realize just how foul, how evil that regime was, the thought of it happening here is absolutely intolerable. Under no circumstances can we allow it to happen.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:46 | 4453494 general ambivalent
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Already happened here. The historical rhyme is that instead of waiting for them downstairs people waited for the computer programmers. And weapons for killing people don't really help a lot when the systems are the problem.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:47 | 4452936 forwardho
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I read that paragraph every time its posted.

 There will be but one chance to act.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:35 | 4453149 DoChenRollingBearing
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The paragraph you quote, fonz, is exactly why we need to keep the Second Amendment alive, even if it is just us who do so.


Molon Labe.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:21 | 4452762 Flakmeister
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But I thought everyone wanted to live under Russian dominance?  

At least based on what the apologeti here at the Hedge tell us...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:27 | 4452814 Spastica Rex
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I don't have a drop of Slav blood in me, but I sure like their literature and art. Not keen on being dominated, though.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:39 | 4452894 Boomberg
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the young Slav women can dominate me any time.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:22 | 4452767 skwid vacuous
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Yawn - What time does women's curling come on the toob...

signed: Boobus A.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:43 | 4452920 Flakmeister
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You missed it. Eve Muirhead had a nip slip....

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:55 | 4452969 Agent P
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Eve Muirhead.  She's hot enough to be the next Bond girl...and they wouldn't even have to give her a fake name. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:13 | 4453361 Flakmeister
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Damn straight...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:34 | 4453151 V in PA
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Pics or it didn't happen.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:27 | 4453417 Flakmeister
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I never realized your chain was so amenable to being pulled...

BTW, do you know how to keep porkchops from curling in your frying pan?

Take away their little brooms...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:22 | 4452768 aardwolf
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Oh dear...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:22 | 4452772 Seasmoke
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I hate the EU.....but that right wing side , doesn't sound any better....what a fucking mess. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4452802 firstdivision
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Kinda like our presidental choices here every 4 years.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:52 | 4452960 BandGap
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You don't know who to cheer for either, eh?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:24 | 4452776 Spastica Rex
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Watch and learn. Learnin' is good.

edit: WTF - am I alone in feeling like lots of Ukraine videos are getting pulled off of YouTube?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:28 | 4452824 Skateboarder
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Just like none of the Mexican protest videos never made it to StateTube when Peno Nieta bribed everyone for 500 lousy pesos of which only 100ish were redeemable.

Fuck Google.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:28 | 4452826 Dr. Engali
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No you are not alone. Anything to do with Google is the exact opposite of "do no evil".

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:35 | 4452871 nonclaim
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NSA/CSS Policy 6-6, and NSA/CSS Directive 130-1, Paragraph 21-E

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:23 | 4452778 sbenard
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This is coming to Amerika, too! Why else would the DHS need 1.6 billion rounds of ammo to use against its own people!

Peter Dreier, a member of Obama's own campaign staff, gave speeches at the Cooper's Union Socialist Scholars Conference, which, by his own admission, were attended by one Barack Obama, spelling out the GOAL of bringing fiscal collapse to the US government, following which they would instigate a Bolshevik Revolution in America.That's THEIR stated plan, not my opinion of it!

This has been in the planning stages for decades. We are closer than ever to the implementation of the final stages of these plans.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:27 | 4452818 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Their plan is going to fail miserably.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:48 | 4452941 Oldwood
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One has to wonder,

Our government supported the protestors in Egypt when less than 10% of the population of Cairo showed up to protest, many of which were considered radical Muslims.

Our government supported the protestors in Libyan uprising when most were radical Muslims that are supposed to be our enemy.

Our government supports the rebels in Syria, even though many are from outside the country and radical Muslims, again our supposed enemy.

It seems that we support the protestors in almost every civil conflict, be they friend or foe, as the assumption is the government is always corrupt.

So, if a few hundred thousand Americans show up in Washington to demand the resignation of Obama, what do we think his response will be? Will he order his military and police to step down? Or will he proclaim the protestors to be racists, un-American and a threat to peace and democracy? I wonder......

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:07 | 4453582 general ambivalent
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I think the Spanish Revolution/Civil War was the most important event of the 20th Century. The important lesson is that democracies will support anything when faced with the threat of revolution - for them Bolshevism or fascism was preferable to a people's organisation or transitional government. War is the response to revolution.

Syria and Ukraine are repeats of the Spanish Civil War. In properly Orwellian terms, revolution is the response to war. They produce the revolution which gives them the war, or produce them both at once. However, now they are not responding to a revolution and supporting fascism or socialism as the last choice, instead they produce the very need for socialism or fascism (or revolutionary pseudo-states composed of multiple conflicting groups, as in the radical Islam organisations which seem to be a mix of fundamentalism, romantic extremism, and reactionary revolution). Like the Vietnam War logic, liberalism must be destroyed to be saved.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:06 | 4453013 Quinvarius
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They will need more ammo.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:31 | 4453135 seek
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I did a back of the envelope calculation a while ago, and US civilian firearm holders likely have anywhere from 5-20X the amount of ammo the government has. The government is hopelessly outnumbered, so they'll have to rely on starvation, WMD, or moving slowly enough that it doesn't move even 1% of the population to take up arms.

All evidence has been they're way out of touch with reality, and somehow think their plan will survive contact with their declared enemy.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:43 | 4453198 DoChenRollingBearing
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That sounds about right seek.

My even cruder and rougher math:

(80,000,000 gun owners in the USA) * (1000 rounds each) = 80 BILLION rounds.

The above, of course, does not even count the guerrilla-style tactics that many of us would resist with if things really do get that bad.



That 1000 round for each perhaps does not even include Texas, where my friends seem to average about 5000 - 10,000 rounds each...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:56 | 4453265 El Vaquero
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Holodomor.  That is the strategy they would have to rely on, and the coasts would turn into living nightmares.  Regions that are capable of producing more food than they consume are where resistance would be most effective in this scenario.


Of course, the government might just be a paper tiger and fold real quick once lead starts flying.  Notice that when cops are outnumbered by people who might actually use force, they turn into big stinky pussies who flee.  They're only tough with peaceful people and when they show up with overwhelming force. 


Not to mention that a bunch of the ammo purchased by DHS is for pistols.  Somebody with a pistol is going to be a poor match for even somebody with a 10/22. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:00 | 4453283 Rakshas
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The problem will come down to leadership and devotion to the cause in the face of merciless attrocities - can the sheeple withstand the withering fire I wonder....  will they be able to adopt the Ho Chi Minh attitude and prevail or will it all fall to anarchy and defeat - anything less than a return to the constitutional ideals the country was founded on will be  - meat the new boss same as the old boss just with a different shirt methinks.


btw bullets and rate of fire are not the keys, well placed shots are..... 


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 16:50 | 4454144 seek
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Merciless attrocities -- nothing pisses off the average 'merican more than (perceived) gross injustice. Virtually all major riots of the past 50 years have been based on this.

I really don't think TPTB will be able to grab more than a few thousand off the streets before the wrath of populace is brought down on them. This is why I've beleived for a while the whole NWO thing fails -- they can only succeed with slow game, and it's slower than even they have patience for.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:39 | 4453178 Rakshas
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I used to think i understood the difference between facist - Nazi type vs Communist Bolshevik types but looking back over the past 100 years in the good ol US(S)A  the black and white lines i thought i could see have become grayed out and the whole mess is nothing less than a life sucking quagmire to free thinking people everywhere. 


Democratic Constitutional Society explained ...........


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 15:18 | 4453670 general ambivalent
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Yes, it's much more complicated than anyone thought. Orwell was close in his synthesis of socialism and fascism, but 1984 simply did not have enough democracy and perverse friendliness. "Brazil" was much closer it seems.

Some of the Adam Curtis documentaries have a lot of good information on the trickery and cross-pollination between governmental types.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:23 | 4452781 blabam
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The State in all its glory.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:59 | 4452984 Lebensphilosoph
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You must mean the American state who instigated this 'revolutiuon'. Unless you truly are such an idiot who believes that protesters are always in the right, and that civil order and civilisation itself do not at times need to be defended, by all means necessary, from those who are attempting to subvert them.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:19 | 4453078 blabam
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I'm talking about the institution in general. There is nothing civil about the state. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:24 | 4452785 youngman
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It will be interesting of some more of the stockpiles get raided......then we will know who has control..

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4452787 Race Car Driver
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What's with ZH quoting Martin Armstrong all o' the sudden? Used to be that the Tylers actually had a voice on ZH ... these days, not so much.

The assimilation is complete. Fuck it - I'm gonna just go give my clicks to Infowars for my propaganda and suck it straight from the AJ bottle.

And how come once a reply is started, there is no going 'Back' without having to fuckin' confirming and agreeing that you want to? 

Say 'honey pot'.

I knew you could.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:40 | 4452900 forwardho
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Thats right, you may edit or delete, but the original thought is...


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:24 | 4452790 Kaiser Sousa
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bout fucking time...

they asked for it, so now take whats comin...

western and EU stoogies...


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4452797 firstdivision
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This is going to go well.

1970 Kent State * 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4452799 Wile-E-Coyote
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Watch next Russian army invited in to stabalise the situation.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4452801 replaceme
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Biden called and condemned this - why is this happening?  Besides the CIA and a ton of QE money.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:26 | 4452807 thismarketisrigged
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so should i buy stawks?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:26 | 4452808 Dr. Engali
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God I hate government.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:38 | 4452889 Rakshas
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Governments don't kill people.... People kill .... er..... Governments don't ...... I mean theres a saying out in Tennessee I know its in texas, I think it's in tennessee ... Fool me once shame on... 

Yeah fuck it I hate government now too


Zerodarkthirty...... FUK YEAH!!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:26 | 4452810 Yen Cross
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     This is an great opportunity for people to see just how .gov will spin situations when/if similar events unfold in the USSA.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:26 | 4452813 buzzsaw99
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unarmed civilians is about the only thing the ukraine army could defeat. go kill some children ukraine army, why should owebomba have all the fun?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:27 | 4452820 wallstreetapost...
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A meteor could hit the earth and the stock market will keep going up.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:29 | 4452835 buzzsaw99
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+1 - skynet has battery backup

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:31 | 4452851 Dr. Engali
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Technically a meteor can't hit the earth since they burn up in the atmosphere.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:41 | 4452902 Skateboarder
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Ahhh, the atmosphere! (90s Discovery Channel commercial)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:00 | 4452991 Agent P
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because Bruce Willis

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 13:42 | 4453202 superflex
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Because once it hits the Earth or any celestial body, it's a meteorite.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:37 | 4452848 Yousif
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I find it quite interesting that circa 5 years ago, the US administration signs a "memorandum of understanding" with Poland on "Special Operations" and now, we have an "independent" governemnt in Lviv ... which is on the border with Poland.

Title: U.S., Poland Sign Special Ops Memo of Understanding


The establishment of the so-called "independent" government is very reminiscent of Libya and Syria when the fight for "freedom" began.

"Those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it".


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:31 | 4452852 GrinandBearit
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This is all just a beta test for the US.

It's coming... get ready.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:36 | 4452876 Shizzmoney
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A bureaucracy is designed to maximize the distance between a decision-maker and the risks of the decision. - Nassim Taleb

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:36 | 4452878 forwardho
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The significance of the wording in the NDAA now becomes so clear.

You are an enemy of the state, when we say you are.

As so designated, you have no rights.

It is Law.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:39 | 4452887 Son of Captain Nemo
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Oy Vey!

The Jews in D.C. and Manhattan will be wringing there hands and compulsively washing them like Lady MacBeth.

"I am in blood

Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more

Returning were as tedious as go'er"...

Payback will certainly be "the bitch"!  And not just in Ukraine!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:43 | 4452917 JR
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Seven policemen are dead; and the police face protesters swinging bats and throwing firebombs. No amount of imagination can credit these protesters with organizing this military-type protest on their own.

Rioters and police in central Kiev - exchanging stun grenades and death - are in large part results of the subversive destabilizing schemes of the ever advancing US/EU war machine to overthrow an elected government. Events are kept inflamed by the appearances and/or under-the-table operations of the Bernard-Henri Lévys, John McCains, Madeleine Albrights, and Victoria Nuland Kagans.

Consequently, RT reports: “There may be no machine-gun fire or tanks in Kiev, but the city looks like a warzone. And soldiers of the opposition appear to be a close match to officers of the law, if not in terms of discipline, than certainly in terms of equipment….They are geared for a guerrilla action, and they are conducting one.”

In his own Times op-ed on Syria, Putin wrote recently, “It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it.”

 Two commenters on RT report the following:

Aleksandar Shah 19.02.2014 14:53


"Rioters have captured and beaten the governor of the western Volyn Oblast, Aleksandr Bashkalenko, and are demanding that he resigns. According to reports in Ukrainian media, Bashkalenko was handcuffed to a stage in front of a crowd of about 10,000 people and was doused with cold water but refused to sign his resignation. Earlier, he was beaten for refusing to kneel before the people, but a group of organized rioters averted a lynching by the angry mob by taking the governor into a police station."

marcus 19.02.2014  added this to his account:


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:43 | 4452923 SgtShaftoe
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It should be interesting to see if the Army will fracture into east-west as well. If that happens, it's over. It will be East-Ukraine and West Ukraine.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:44 | 4452925 Bioscale
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Who is this Martin Armstrong? That guy is a complete propaganda bullshit, why bother to quote him? Like "This began as a movement against CORRUPTION" What? Who said that? US media? 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:51 | 4452954 Quinvarius
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I believe Zero Hedge quotes Martin Armstrong only to annoy me.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 14:13 | 4453364 Toolshed
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"I believe Zero Hedge quotes Martin Armstrong only to annoy me."

No kidding. What's next? Investing advice and political comment from Bernie Madoff?

Actually, I think they are just covering the spectrum. I hope.


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 12:48 | 4452943 observer007
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News: Latest on Ukraine

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