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Self-Reliance And "Vive La Revolution"

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

It’s pretty ironic that I have two visitors right now in my home– one from Ukraine and the other from Thailand.

Both of their countries are in the midst of chaotic turmoil right now, characterized by riots and violent clashes between protestors and police.

It reminds me of the old quote from Louis XVI upon being informed in 1789 that the French people had stormed the Bastille. The King asked, “Is it a revolt?”

“No, sire,” the duke replied, “It is a revolution.”

People in both of these countries have reached their breaking points. In Ukraine especially, economic conditions have deteriorated in almost spectacular form.

History is packed with examples of how people rise up in the streets whenever economic conditions deteriorate.

The French Revolution in 1789 is one famous example; the French people finally reached their breaking points after nearly starving to death.

The 2011 Egyptian Revolution and entire Arab Spring movement is a similar example.

In fact, a 2011 study from the New England Complex Systems Institute showed a clear statistical correlation between social unrest and (specifically) food prices. The higher food prices get, the greater the chances of riots and revolution.

This is not a condition exclusive to the developing world; it is a fundamental human trait to provide for one’s family.

And while human beings will take a lot of crap from their governments– stupid regulations, higher taxes, erosion of freedom, and even inflation– the moment that a man is no longer able to put food on the table for his family, revolution foments.

Europe and the US are not immune to this. And with deteriorating wealth gaps, 50%+ youth unemployment, unchecked government power, and a system that disproportionately favors the elite, the conditions are ripe.

The main difference is that Westerners have been brainwashed into believing that the civilized people voice their grievances in a voting booth rather than doing battle in the streets.

It’s a false premise. Unfortunately, so is violent revolution.

As my dictionary so perfectly defines, “revolution” has two meanings.

First, it can denote an overthrow of a sitting government, whether violent or ‘bloodless’.

But in celestial terms, ‘revolution’ denotes a complete orbit around a fixed axis. In other words, after one revolution, you end up right back where you started.

So whether violent or non-violent, or whether in a voting booth or on the streets, revolutions put a country right back where it started.

In the French revolution, people traded an absolute monarch in Louis the XVI for a genocidal dictator in Robespierre for a military dictator in Napoleon.

In 1917, the Russians traded Tsarist autocracy for Communist autocracy.

In 2011, Egyptians traded Hosni Mubarak for Mohamad Hussein Tantawi (who subsequently suspended the Constitution), for Mohamed Morsi (who as President awarded himself unlimited powers), for yet another coup d’etat.

All of this is because of a knee-jerk reaction– ‘if our country is having major problems, we should throw the bums out and let the man on the white horse take over.’

This creates a never-ending cycle in which the fundamental problems perpetuate.

It’s not about any single person or group of people. It is the system itself that needs changing.

In our system we award a tiny elite with the power to kill, steal, wage war, educate our children, and conjure unlimited quantities of paper money out of thin air.

This is just plain silly. And antiquated. We’re not living in the Middle Ages anymore where we need kings to tell us what to do, knights to keep the peace, and serfs to do all the work (and enrich the nobles).

Yet this is not too far from the system we have today.

The real answer is within ourselves. As Ron Paul told our audience in Santiago last year, become less dependent on the government and more self-reliant:


This idea is beginning to resonate with more and more people who are increasingly disgusted with the system… and all parties.

With our modern technology, transportation, and access to information, we have all the tools available to do this.


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Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:20 | 4454540 fonestar
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Just buy Bitcoin and Litecoin.  The self-reliants will rely on you.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:25 | 4454561 DoChenRollingBearing
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Include gold and some CA$H!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:26 | 4454565 fonestar
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Will include some cash so my virtual grandkids can see what sheeple used to use for money.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:31 | 4454584 DoChenRollingBearing
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"...virtual grandkids..."  Real grandkids will be even more impressed.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:37 | 4454611 macholatte
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50 Trillion Zimbabwe Dollars


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:43 | 4454639 Arius
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The King asked, “Is it a revolt?”

“No, sire,” the duke replied, “It is a revolution.”


yeah right ... those revolutions ... are all the same, copy cat ... the best money can buy!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:10 | 4454937 manofthenorth
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“for those who would joyously march in rank and file, they have already earned my contempt, for they were given a large brain by accident when a spinal chord would have sufficed.”

Albert Einstein

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:14 | 4454950 Hacked Economy
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A few years ago, when the first batches of Zims were becoming available on eBay (and for super-cheap), I got one of each denominational coin and paper bill.  $1 to $25 coins, and $1, $10, $100, etc. bills...all the way up to the infamous $100 Trillion granddaddy.  Each was pristine, uncirculated, and in a nice plastic protector.

Now I have them available for viewing when I give an ocassional class or group lecture on hyperinflation.  :)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:26 | 4454799 stant
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grand kids will be true success. with generational wealth and knowledge to use it

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:28 | 4454571 zorba THE GREEK
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The comeback of the guillotine is overdue.

In the meantime please pass the cake.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:15 | 4454760 Larry Dallas
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Not here. Not today. Perhaps the students who are unemployed and burdened in debt. Not the useless fattys on their mobile scooters now and oxygen masks. I think the gov't is looking for an excuse - any excuse - to cull that herd...


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:34 | 4454595 Sheikhspeare
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"A fool thinks himself to be wise..." - William Shakespeare



Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:40 | 4455043 Hacked Economy
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"Professing to be wise, they became fools..."

- Romans 1:22 (NKJV)

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:40 | 4454626 tip e. canoe
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give me a holler when i can buy spelt seed for bitchits.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:44 | 4454645 fonestar
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Sure fonestar will sell you some speed for Bitcoins right now.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:53 | 4454673 tip e. canoe
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sorry, don't do that synthetic shit.

only gmo-free for me, thanks tho.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:54 | 4454678 fonestar
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Oh sorry, spelt seed!  fonestar sees now, was trying to read too fast.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:26 | 4454800 tip e. canoe
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no worries, the clock is ticking, i know.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:12 | 4454749 JLee2027
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Westerners have been brainwashed into believing that the civilized people voice their grievances in a voting booth

??? First I've heard of this. Really?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:21 | 4454979 dow jones 20000
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this is far and away the most idiotic thing you've ever written on this site.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:20 | 4454543 LawsofPhysics
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Fuck off Simon.  Remember when a reverse repo of more than 50 billion meant the sky was falling?  83 billion repo today, not a word...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:30 | 4454577 negative rates
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I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if I were you.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:32 | 4454585 LawsofPhysics
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Dollars coming home, Fed soaking them up as fast as they can, got popcorn?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:45 | 4454649 negative rates
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No, but I have a big mac and a strawberry Mcshake.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:51 | 4454657 LawsofPhysics
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I wonder what the capacity for soaking up these dollars really is?  Probably as infinite as the creation of them in the first place (they are only fiat after all).  Hyperinflation?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:02 | 4454708 Rafferty
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Seems to be infinite.  I've been expecting this baby to blow for the last three years yet it's still going as strong as ever.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:06 | 4454724 Winston Churchill
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They have to give good collateral for those r/r',not
toxic RMBS.So it has to be UST's.
So no, this game is definitely finite not another
shell game.
Hoist on their own petard ,is apt I think if this
gets out of hand.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:44 | 4454641 fuu
Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:10 | 4454739 kito
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History is packed with examples of how people rise up in the streets whenever economic conditions deteriorate.


and then there is simon, the little bitch who runs away from the bully, straight upstairs to the window of his parents house, talking shit to the bully in the street. 


simon black, you are a pussy. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 21:34 | 4455256 linniepar
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Tell him how you REALLY feel!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:20 | 4454544 scrappy
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If we build a “Common Law” Grand Jury, the people will come.


It is a non partisan group seeking to restore common law as a way to address our political crisis. Please consider joining us.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:03 | 4454674 john39
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maybe, maybe not...  in times of chaos, the truly sick hidden among us can run rampant...   common law jury could quickly descend into something like a maoist struggle session.  It all depends on the quality of the people involved.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:32 | 4454834 123dobryden
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, but he saved Exactly that is the point, ...talking about Ukraine, durring the previous civil war, there was Nestor Makhno, anarchist, charizmatic, peasant military strategist with extraordinary leadership skills, he was able to kept big part of ukraine under his influence just with his insurgent army and stolen weapons, as he sign pact with bolshewicks, he was doomed, ended up in paris as a factory worker in renault....


If he would succeedand comunists which he fought would get beaten russian revolution could really become a great liberating force and everything could be different...


but he saved comunist ass and to say thank you comunist stabbed him in the back

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:22 | 4454552 Smegley Wanxalot
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Can't these fuckers just let us eat cake?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:27 | 4454563 Overfed
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While Simon's article may be crap, I will say this: Paul/Farage 2016!     Wishful thinking......I would pay good $ to hear/see Farage berating Shitlery, Kohn, McStain, Swinestein, et. al., to their faces. Gawd, that would be beautiful.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:35 | 4454600 Overfed
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I guess we have a Swinestein or McStain voter in the crowd.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:04 | 4454717 Rafferty
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What?? Where?  Get him quick!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:28 | 4454572 Spastica Rex
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Count De Monet: Sire - it is said that the peasants are revolting!

King: You said it; they stink on ice!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 22:19 | 4455441 janus
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that was flat-out funny.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:34 | 4454592 GooseShtepping Moron
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The French Revolution in 1789 is one famous example; the French people finally reached their breaking points after nearly starving to death.

I understand the point being made, but this the same old WASPish line of crap. The condition of the French peasantry in 1789 was superior to that of anywhere else in Europe. The Godless revolt against Throne and Altar of 1789 was fomented by the disaffected sons of the bourgeoisie.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:36 | 4454606 johny2
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funny how after french revolution came to be central bank of france. what a coincidence!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:05 | 4454722 Rafferty
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And the leaders were all Freemasons.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:21 | 4454777 johny2
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Viva la Revolution! 

And Napoleon did like Russia too. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:48 | 4454658 Spastica Rex
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Wow - you were able to distill all the complexities of the French Revolution into a three sentence paragraph. You should be a public school teacher.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:04 | 4454715 GooseShtepping Moron
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Spending three sentences to refute a one-sentence canard is not quite a dereliction of intellectual rigor. I don't have time to write an essay in every combox. The distinguished readership of Zero Hedge can certainly be counted on to fill in some of the details for themselves, can they not?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:09 | 4454738 Spastica Rex
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Oh, sure. It was a silly little revolution, anyway.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 22:49 | 4455595 janus
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crazy thing, i had it briefly in mind that Hugo (no wasp) had written a 'tale of two cities'...and was about to reply to that effect; and then i suddenly remembered, nope, twas Dickens (the WASP of all waspish writers) who'd penned that weepy (though splendidly written) bit of sentimentality.  and thinking back on the arc of thought what bent the minds of the gallic upper-middle class, i reckon you may have a point.  i believe voltaire was very much en vogue...and other, more provocative, pens were also scratching away.

all that being said, the revolution did seem to have wide-spread public support; and there must be a root to this other than a bunch of foppish enlightenment-era neer-do-wells rebel-rousing in beer halls...there had to be material privation of some meaningful sort.  otherwise, the devout french peasant would never have tolerated the viscous purging of their royals.

as with all things, i imagine it's a blending of both privation and propaganda.

seeds are sown and they sit silent awaiting the perfect conditions.

it was very similar with the russian revolution; not that there's any relevant connection...just sayin.



Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:34 | 4454593 Westcoastliberal
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Can we puleaze stop using the word "elite" to describe those beyond rich motherfuckers who've stolen our money and run our once great country into the fucking ground?  They're not "elite", call them by their real name "maggots"!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:51 | 4454669 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  They're not "elite"

Well,  they are pretty elite at screwing people.   The survival of the fittest are generally the elite of society.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:55 | 4454685 logicalman
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I hope all those maggots you just insulted don't crawl up your pants legs!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:20 | 4454772 JLee2027
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How dare you refer to the Honorable John Corzine as a maggot. That is an insult to maggots everywhere, they are God's ultimate picker uppers.


Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:34 | 4454597 Stinko da Munk
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"Ukraine and Thailand are in the midst of chaotic turmoil right now..."

I didn't know they were fighting each other. When did that start? Does John Kerry know about this?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:24 | 4454789 JLee2027
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Kerry claims global warming is causing all the problems, but is willing to compromise and settle things if everyone will turn their backs so they can be plowed down with a machine gun. He claims to want to do this before the weekend, as he has a Botox injection scheduled before his date on Saturday.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:35 | 4454603 leekyuranus
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People do NOT WANT to take self-responsibility! Hence we elect an 'elite' to 'look after us'. There are so many self-destructive forms of behaviour we indulge in; over-eating, too much alcohol, abuse of others in a myriad of forms, lack of exercise, self-delusion, etc, etc. 'We' elect others so we can avoid looking after ourselves, blame the government, and feel smug about doing nothing.


You want change? Then change yourself first.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:46 | 4454654 lordylord
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The problem is in the "interpretation" of the Constitution.  The Constitution states that government can only do what is explicitly stated in the document.  Governments turned it around and said that they can do anything except for what it explicitly says it can not do.  What a bunch of lying fuckers.  

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:50 | 4454663 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Governments turned it around and said that they can do anything except for what it explicitly says it can not do. 

Worked out for the smart-n-savvy people.    The problem with "rules" is that smart-n-savvy never follow them and the dumbasses have no idea how to control the smart-n-savvy people.

How many people drive the speed limit?   Only the dumbasses.   It all follows from that.

(Lesson:  shoot the speeders).

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:53 | 4454675 lordylord
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It worked out for government and that is all.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:58 | 4454691 NOTaREALmerican
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And everybody that got rich looting the government.     Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Energy, Big-Ed, Big-Fin, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState exist to loot the government.    Lots of us have done pretty well on these scams.

People seem to forget that government exists because it SPENDS 1.5 trillion bucks on stuff.   It pays well to sell crap to the government.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:00 | 4454700 lordylord
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Nobody loots government.  Only tax-payers are looted. You sound misguided and also a bit like a piece of offense.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:26 | 4454803 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: You sound misguided

You should like someone who thinks their own socialist scam isn't actually socialism.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:40 | 4454853 JLee2027
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You aren't American so why are you telling Americans about our own Government? It's none of your business.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:04 | 4454920 NOTaREALmerican
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I'm an American citizen.   Sarah Palin said I wasn't a REAL merican tho.   Who am I to argue with that intellect.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 21:20 | 4455204 JLee2027
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Sarah Palin never said that.

You lie like a rug.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:20 | 4457025 gallistic
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"People seem to forget that government exists because it SPENDS 1.5 trillion bucks on stuff. It pays well to sell crap to the government."

Unfortunately it is way worse, and that figure is small potatoes. The government is scheduled to spend more than that on a flying turkey called the F-35. The cost projections under an unrealistically optimistic best case scenario are at 1.5 trillion right now and climbing at a dizzying pace.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:38 | 4454613 Irene
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"This is just plain silly."  Silly is not exactly the word we're looking for here.  Suicidal, pathological, something along those lines.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:40 | 4454627 lordylord
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President Paul!

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:43 | 4454637 Spanky
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Cries in the fucking wilderness. That's what the early 90s were like. Anybody that warned you about no such agency's plans was mocked as paranoid and delusional. And look at what happened -- exactly what we paranoid and delusional types predicted.

Where were ya'll before 9-11 and the housing crash?

Nothing like an economic downturn to send firebrands shooting off the dying embers...

This shit has been going on for a well over one hundred years. Eyes and ears in ubiquitous places and faces. Predictable, if you know for whom and where to look... If you expect to survive, much less prevail over, what is coming our way, we had better agree on something political... soon.

Rugged individualism is great. Been there and done that. Went to Alaska to escape... and did so for many years. First thing I learned? It takes cooperation to survive. No man is an island.

Occupy was interesting, esp. considering the protests were organized by anarchists. Council governance through consensus in the camps... smelled like a super majority democracy to me, which enabled control by a small minority. And it became tyranny when many protestors attempted to clarify their political voice and the anarchists blocked...

Thus Occupy was rendered toothless and wasted its potential energy -- its remnants being funneled into astroturf blue team causes and O's race...

And what can be said about corporate Tea Party, Inc.? A case study in co-option?

I am not a terrorist. But I am a patriot.

I do not wish for violence and war in our home. But neither can I tolerate the injustices visited upon us (and the world) daily by our government.

I would vote. But I have no political voice in my own land...

Many posters here believe (or profess believing) that dissenters ought simply withdraw, and cede electoral supremacy to whomever is willing to vote for the red team or blue team. That all voting does is legitimate rule by bought and paid for twin party politicians. I agree, that voting for candidates legitimates our governance under the Constitution.

But we cannot cede electoral supremacy to whomever buys the politicians. That strategy led us to where we now stand... on a slippery slope.

We have no other direct political voice except the vote. But the red & blue team dominate our political choices.

I've been hinting, arguing, and shouting that during the next election you ought walk into the ballot box, mark your ballot No Consent in big bold letters, tender it and walk out... That maybe, if enough people do it, it will mean something.


Consider what is arrayed against future protestors (terrorists)... Extra-ordinary rendition, indefinite detention, torture, extra-judicial execution. What .gov practiced overseas is blowing back, like radiation from a GE nuc plant...

Even so, according to our myth of democracy, elections must be held to legitimate our governance by twin party politicians. The illusion of choice must be maintained, or the myth will be exposed...

Moreover, voters cannot be defined as terrorists, since the myth rests upon their consent to be governed (as evidenced by their votes).

So what happens when people vote, but not for candidates? Something unstated on the ballot, but clearly and politically defined by the electorate itself? It's a simple question.

Do you consent to what the U.S. Government is doing?

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:00 | 4454699 tip e. canoe
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smelled like a super majority democracy to me, which enabled control by a small minority. 

actually a super majority might have worked to delay the implosions a little while longer.   but nope, it was straight-up "tyranny of the minority of one" consenus clown show.  at least everyone got some free bread & circuses for awhile.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:15 | 4454753 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  This shit has been going on for a well over one hundred years.

Good post.

You probably won't agree, but we've got the only society possible.   The smart-n-savvy people win.   Unless there's something to keep the smart-n-savvy people from feasting off the dumbasses they'll eat the dumbasses alive (which is what is happening now in the USA).

IF the smart-n-savvy people need the dumbasses for protection (or some other use to keep them alive) then the dumbasses won't be eaten alive but the US smart-n-savvy people don't fear outsiders; they don't need the US dumbasses for anything.  The dumbasses are expendable.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:26 | 4454804 Debt Slave
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But the red & blue team dominate our political choices.

Yes history does have a rhythmic course, doesn't it...

"Perhaps some of you here are unable to forgive me for eradicating the Marxist party. But my friends: I also eradicated all the other parties." - Adolf Hitler, Speech at Siemen's plant, November 10, 1933, to thunderous applause.

Not hard to see the direction we are going in here.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:32 | 4454827 spqrusa
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hear, hear - good post - been going on for thousands of years...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:47 | 4454873 JLee2027
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Software changes your vote to red or blue team, so it's meaningless. 

The only real choice I see is withdraw, stand aside, oppose whever possible by civil disobiedance, educate/spread the word, and refuse to support the evil that governs us without our consent and let it collapse on its own. Which is what I see happening now. We are still in the early stages, attitudes have changed a lot, people are waking up. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:55 | 4454897 Debt Slave
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Interesting how close the polls were leading up to the second election of our black messiah, is it not? Nearly balanced from the start until the very end when Obama kicked Romney's ass and yet some among us still acted shocked and surprised.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 21:21 | 4455210 tip e. canoe
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pssst, mittens took the fall willingly.

a setup from the getgo.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:50 | 4455076 Meat Hammer
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The only real choice I see is withdraw, stand aside, oppose whever possible by civil disobiedance, educate/spread the word, and refuse to support the evil that governs us without our consent and let it collapse on its own. 

JLee, spot-on!! Instead of wasting your time to go into a voting booth to write No Consent and thus put yourself on someone's radar as a terrrrrist, just practice non-consent.  They can't fund their evil doings if they don't have tax donkeys paying for it.  

Long share-cropping, rain-barrels and/or wells, solar panels, trade-and-barter, real money, ammo and delivery-devices, and small close-knit communities. We could literally destroy "them" tomorrow if the serfs realized that instead of working and commuting 12 hours per day to be given half of what their labor is worth as payment in a toilet paper currency that loses its value over time, they could work 8 or 9 hours per day and get 100% of the fruits (and vegetables) of their labor.  

It really is that...fucking...simple.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:58 | 4457772 Spanky
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By not voting you contribute to our tyranny of the minority. How much worse must circumstances become before satisfying yourself this "strategy" has failed? Or do you simply desire war, horror and chaos (for whatever reason, personal, business or ideological)?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 17:43 | 4459345 JLee2027
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Votes are changed by software. There are plenty of YouTube videos of how they do it. If paper ballots were used, and counted in public, then I would vote.


Thu, 02/20/2014 - 18:06 | 4459431 Spanky
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Thus many people know about the problem (YouTube). Organize against it... Throw it in their face... This is a local (county and state) issue in particular. Make your county officials prove the vote count is accurate. Most registars of elections want an accurate count -- make political life hell for the ones who don't...

The trick is to turn them against themselves. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:44 | 4454646 NOTaREALmerican
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7 billion self reliant people.

The entire point of modern civilization is to reduce self-reliance. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 18:55 | 4454682 q99x2
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I'm self reliant. I go to college to earn my FAFSA.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:22 | 4454783 smacker
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Some good points in this but whether you become self-reliant or choose some other model of survival, you cannot persue it unless and until the current system of corrupt slimeball elites are removed from office. Else they will continue to run your life.

Seems to me what is really needed is a strong written constitution that is the supreme law of the land and is actively supervised by people who are not a part of the current system. In this case government can get on with important stuff like keeping the streets clean and the sewage system running etc whilst citizens can get on with more important things.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:43 | 4454867 Debt Slave
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The biggest mistake the founders made was not providing for effective, active enforcement of the Constitution, ("We the People") prompting a vile scumbag like GW Bush to utter: 'It's just a goddamn piece of paper'.

Very early on, in Marbury Vs Madison, the government decided that it alone had the final word on what is constitutional and what is not. Mmm yes.

There the problem began. In Nature, the Created is forbidden to determine the intentions of the Creator.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 21:10 | 4455119 Radical Marijuana
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True enough, Debt Slave, but nobody has ever provided any good solution to the paradoxical problem that Plato stated as "who will guard the guardians?"

In my view, in principle, there are no possible solutions, other than perhaps the longer term correction of natural selection. Otherwise the paradox of enforcement of the rule of law always necessarily drives itself to self-destruction. The ONLY people who can enforce their "rule of law" must be the people who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. The "rule of law" necessarily rises and falls as governments MUST be the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. The only connections between the laws of men, and the laws of nature, are the abilities to back up lies with violence.

THE ONLY TENTATIVE SOLUTIONS TO THE PARADOXES OF ENFORCEMENT ARE SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES, AND DIVISIONS OF POWERS, BUT THOSE EVENTUALLY END UP BEING ERODED AND UNDERMINED. The American constitution attempted to provide some systems of checks and balances, and divisions of powers, however, the monetary system was eventually corrupted, and then everything else fell like dominoes after that, since the funding of the political processes became the runaway feedback of triumphant frauds, some of whose profit was reinvested in more frauds.


Thu, 02/20/2014 - 05:05 | 4456463 smacker
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You and I are the only two people I have ever known that realise and understand that shortcoming.

But I believe the founding fathers never envisaged that successive governments would eventually seek to trivialise and trample over the constitution. Or in any case, allowing the people to bear arms was thought to be a strong counter to that possibility. As we have seen, it isn't; the nanny state and endless dollops of largesse from the treasury have neutralised that. Several other tactics like anti-terrorism laws have done the rest.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:22 | 4454785 Crash Overide
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"In our system we award a tiny elite with the power to kill, steal, wage war, educate our children, and conjure unlimited quantities of paper money out of thin air."


Yup, and they will continue until we stop it...

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:27 | 4454808 DOGGONE
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You mention "educate our children". Look at omitted monstrosities:
The Public Be Suckered

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:29 | 4454821 The Joker
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Nope.  The "entire Arab Spring" was not another example.  The "peaceful protesters" to begin with in Tunesia and Egypt were brought to DC and trained by non other than Hillary's staff as to how to start a revolution using social media.  The people of Lybia and Syria were well taken care of by their "evil" dictators and were far from starving.  Housing, free health care, the works.  The "freedom fighters" weren't starving either, they were paid plenty o' clams by the real perps to inflate the protests to "humanitarian crisis". 

In trying to compare the starving masses of past revolutions to what is going on in the M.E. is comparing apples to oranges.

The elite control the revolutions too.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:32 | 4454832 Remnant_Army
Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:34 | 4454837 wisehiney
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Ain't counting on anyone "rising up". Going it alone. Gaming it, having fun, and enjoying the show. If you fokkers  rise up, we will have good sport, and I will be a leader, but whether you believe it or not, I have already done my part for years and paid a price for it. It's all on you now. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 19:41 | 4454859 ramacers
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the rivers of blood will arrive - for sure.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:05 | 4454862 spqrusa
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We have Babylon - we cannot accurately describe, nor is it possible anymore, to describe what kind of system we have. Capitalist or Socialist or Fascist or Democracy or Republic - we have them all. We have so many elements of the Fascist state that we are completely blind to it. Our indocrinators have been so effective at painting Fascists as Anti-semite war mongers that we safely distance ourselves from such a label. But we have a very powerful Fascist Police state - the most effective in History, and I would estimate, not the last most powerful one.

The Fascists are an effective amalgam of state and corporate power - Rome on steroids. When the modern incarnation waded through Europe in the last few centuries, it made other systems that didn't adopt basic fascist elements quite ineffective. You cannot compete against them with a quaint (largely) agrarian economy which was America pre 20th century. Il stato found America a ready and pliant state during WWI/II to fight-off the ultra-fascist Axis powers. Either way, USSA had to adopt many of the same governmental operating systems in order to compete and win against them.

In the old republic, it was often that censors found much that needed to be edited from the public dialogue. Their method of censor was brutish by modern standards and their favored method is the origin of the word Fascist. Our modern system affords us so much (the internet comes to mind) but yet we are straddled by the lameness of our language and indoctrination (err education) system which does nothing to prepare you for the onslaught of the modern polity. In fact, it does everything to make you a compliant consumer and true believer.

Today we have a polarized polity (mobocracy) that largely only sees Red or Blue - any other colors are considered a distraction.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:50 | 4455026 Radical Marijuana
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"In our system we award a tiny elite with the power to kill, steal, wage war, educate our children, and conjure unlimited quantities of paper money out of thin air. This is just plain silly. And antiquated. ..."

Simon Black is one of those I regard as "reactionary revolutionaries," which do good analysis of the problems, until they collapse back to the same old bullshit "solutions" at the end. His use of language is itself preposterous to me. Sovereignty is based upon the power to rob, which is backed by by the power to kill, as the ultimate power to rob. However, Black likes to use the word "sovereignty" in a magical way. Black typically switches gears from analysis of real history facts, to magical thinking about "solutions," without appearing to notice when he does that.

The NECESSARY revolution is an intellectual scientific revolution, to change the basic ways that we think about political problems. It is fatuous to assert that "the real answer is within ourselves," unless one has an understanding of "self" which is consistent with general energy systems. Our selves are nested toroidal vortices, made of infinite loops of energy through our transitory forms. WE ARE OUR ENVIRONMENT! There is NO "self" but SELF. That then applies to the political problems that everyone has some power to rob, and power to kill to back that up. Those who were the best at doing that during history became the War Kings, that created the sovereign states, which were covertly taken over by the Fraud Kings, the private banks that get to make the public "money" supply out of nothing, as debts.

While that is obviously the case to anyone who examines the social facts, the hidden reasons were the application of the methods of organized crime. TO EXAMINE THOSE FACTS MORE DEEPLY RESULTS IN THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE ARE NO GENUINE SOLUTIONS WHICH CAN ACTUALLY EXIST OUTSIDE OF BETTER APPLICATIONS OF THE METHODS OF ORGANIZED CRIME! Money is necessarily measurement backed by murder. The debt controls depend upon the death controls, and therefore, as we are headed towards the debt slavery generating numbers which are debt insanities, we are risking the resulting death insanities. However, the only genuinely better solutions would be better death controls, because those are always at the center of the real systems.

The only genuine solutions would be to perhaps organize better expressions of sovereignty, as organized systems of lies, operating organized robbery. Within that context "self-reliance" tends to be a silly idea, which takes for granted the history of claims, backed by coercions, which has asserted the current privatization of the world into pieces. "Self-reliance" is a goofy concept the way that Black presents that, which is consistent with his goofy conception of "sovereignty." That fits within the deeply unscientific view of society which Libertarians in general love to espouse, which is why they constantly provide relatively good analysis of the problems, followed by collapsing back to bullshit "solutions." As with most of the other Black Sheeple, controlled opposition, guys like Black and his buddies provide a kind of raw ore of recommendations that point the way towards longer term goals of evolutionary ecologies, sustaining diversity, without ever providing any better understanding of the real mechanisms that made the current systems, and therefore the actual mechanisms which are going to change those systems, in one way or another, sooner or later.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 22:33 | 4455472 tickhound
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Most, including most here, are completely reactionary. Layman terms I say the fix is never to attack the flu, only the symptoms. They don't SEE the flu... Content in achieving or having already achieved the status of house slave. Labor and luck to earn a keep... No one questions it.

There is little understanding to the level of ACTUAL FREEDOM that could be achieved, or to the state of technology if used properly to achieve it... Let alone the awareness of how technology itself is being guided and (mis)directed. It only performs the duties assigned, and it's use towards scarcity keeps it misdirected, perpetually antiquated, and often self-defeating if not outright harmful.

And it should be OBVIOUS to everyone now that the greatest engine of monetary exploitation and motivation in less than 100 years has manifest destined itself to every corner... and while this labor model has left a plastic water bottle on even the least exploited shore, it's own design has brought with it the technology to ultimately end it's usefulness. The labor wage consumption models of monetarism are now more harmful than good. It's all obviously FAKE.

You said:

"The NECESSARY revolution is an intellectual scientific revolution, to change the basic ways that we think about political problems. It is fatuous to assert that "the real answer is within ourselves," unless one has an understanding of "self" which is consistent with general energy systems. Our selves are nested toroidal vortices, made of infinite loops of energy through our transitory forms. WE ARE OUR ENVIRONMENT!"

I agree... "Politics" can't solve problems short of creating a LAW. With every law comes consequences, many unintended. Laws require enforcement which require...etc...

Science and technology solve problems. But much of it is not for our consumption if for no other reason than the ingenuity may hinder the economic model... Or simply not be profitable. Our economic model is not designed to care for our needs... AT ALL. It's primary function and motivator is profit. Therefore all tech is designed to fit within this framework. We know this, instinctively... So we look to "law."

So EVEN NOW... AS technology destroys the labor model, erasing the need for skilled and unskilled workers, and ASSISTS the very engine that created it in cannibalizing itself... Humans STILL look to law to FORCE themselves on the plantation. It's as if humanity is convinced without a specific labor role it would lose its identity. The need for money, that human invention to make OUR labor trade able, is never questioned. Removing OUR labor from the equation pavlovs into some kinda immediate Cog Dis.

We measure technology first by its usefulness of profit generation. Therefore by design it can NEVER be as efficient as it could be... Product sustainability is impossible... It is in direct conflict with our models. It runs inverse to economic growth.

Humanity has few real needs. And money was never one of them. It is a tool. And our religious devotion to its necessity is but a learned behavior. And all the incidental "musts" that come with money, managing it, stealing it or competing for it are but learned behaviors.

The sooner humanity realizes it doesn't need money, the sooner it can evolve. Technology would have an entirely different face... An actual leap forward that is difficult for even those researching this subject to fully grasp.

Anyway... Good stuff. Glad you have the patience.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 03:45 | 4456382 Amagnonx
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I find your use of language preposterous MR.  You introduce words and phrases that are in conflict with standard definitions or undefined, but nothing in the context allows them to be adequately interpreted - and you do not define them.


The conclusions that you form therefore always appear to be completely non-sequitir - this maybe simply because your argument is irrational and not logical, which I hold that it is, or perhaps because your language is indecipherable because you do not attempt to educate and inform.


Rather you intentionally introduce undefined terms that readers will substitute in their minds with some equivilent that is acceptable to them.  In other words I think you are presenting conclusions in whcih your terms are so vague as to allow the readers to re-interpret your language so as to apply their own arguments on a formulaic rhetorical template that you are providing which is maleable.


For myself, I have never drawn the conclusion that throwing more fire onto a fire is likely to extinguish the fire, but rather water is the appropriate substance - in the same way more lawlessness is not the answer to lawlessness, but rather the application of universal law applied with unlimited force.


You seem to believe that law is an artifical and subjective construct - and in this regard you will find people who agree - they will still however, given a range of ethical questions be able to identify both justice and injustice without reference to any external source.


The worlds problems certainly have arisen due to cultural degradation - due to individuals abdicating their responsibilities to apply and enforce the law, abdicating that responsibility and passing it to a centralized group - the govt, the police etc.  Due to the fact that involving oneself in law and its enforcement exposes the individual to personal risk, it can be seen how the people have been easily robbed of this power with a false concept - authority.


True authority is invested in law - not in men, it is the source of legitimate force - and it is not a person or group - and it is not undefined, nor does it need detailed explanation - although clarification and uniformity is always beneficial when applied to large groups due to cultural bias, and ethical rot.


The law is always there, as is the risks associated with applying it - only when the risks of not enforcing it can be seen to exceed the risks of doing the right thing will people take action.  However, there is always a chance that after taking this action that people will recognize the authority of law and their own responsibility to enforce it - so there is always a chance that an ethical and intellectual revolution will occur and people will reclaim their rightful place as arbiters and enforcers of justice - and will encode that rightful concept in stone.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:13 | 4457271 gallistic
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"The conclusions that you form therefore always appear to be completely non-sequitir - this maybe simply because your argument is irrational and not logical, which I hold that it is, or perhaps because your language is indecipherable because you do not attempt to educate and inform."

 "Rather you intentionally introduce undefined terms that readers will substitute in their minds with some equivilent that is acceptable to them.  In other words I think you are presenting conclusions in whcih your terms are so vague as to allow the readers to re-interpret your language so as to apply their own arguments on a formulaic rhetorical template that you are providing which is maleable."

Exactly right and eloquently put. I am done trying to figure out this person's rambling pointless points.

I have tried to engage him before and all one gets is more gibberish.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 15:16 | 4458563 Radical Marijuana
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Amagonx, Zero Hedge comments are not the context to provide definitions of every word or phrase. Of course, I do try to provide more scientific operational definitions of the language I use in other contexts. After all, I have been doing this since I was a teenager, and I lived on university campuses for a dozen years when I was younger.

The language I use tends to represent the way that progress in postmodernizing sciences have tended to reconverge back to ancient mysticism. Theories such as the special theory of relativity and quantum mechanics have enabled awesome technologies to actually work, despite that the philosophical conclusions that follow from taking those theories seriously are an assault on common sense.

When I use the phrase "intellectual scientific revolution" I intend that in the way that Thomas Kuhn's book on the Structure of Scientific Revolutions revealed the history of valid new ideas going through a pattern where usually it took the death of the older generations before the new ideas were more widely accepted. I expect politics to be like that, except way more so.

As far as "fighting fire with fire" goes, famous oil men, such as Red Adair, specialized in blowing out oil rig fires with explosions.

Purification by water is a lot nicer, when possible. However, when the fire gets big enough, then purification by fire may be the only thing left. Metaphorically speaking, that is likely to be the real future with the 21st Century. There is probably going to be mass murders of the majority of the human population, in one way or another, due to a multitude of converging causes. Of course, I would like it if there were some series of political miracles which could prevent that, however, I see no reasonable grounds to believe that is what is going to actually happen. After all, any public forum, such as here on Zero Hedge, demonstrates how rational public debates about any important issues are practically impossible, especially since many people can not agree even on the basic facts.

I regard old-fashioned views of idealized Justice as being laughable. There are only men. There are no reified abstractions. There is no freedom without a force, and there is no right without a remedy. Both require some violence to make them real, to back up any court orders, or laws, or whatever. The paradoxical problems with enforcement then necessarily occur. It is men that administer law. Human laws are NOTHING but the ways that lies can be backed up with violence.

Idealized, reified notions about "Justice" freely float in an overall idealized world, that mostly enables the biggest bullies to bullshit about what they are really doing. There is nothing which actually exists but different systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies, in various relationships with each other. The overall ideal of Justice comes from the conservation of energy, operating through energy systems. Human being see tiny pieces of that puzzle. From the point of view of the predators and parasites, it is Just for them to feed off of their prey or hosts. Energy simply flows in its own ways. Human laws make more sense the more consistent they are with natural laws. However, idealized human laws tend to deliberately ignore natural facts as much as possible.

What I try to do is apply the concepts of general energy systems, and evolutionary ecologies to human politics. That process is full of definitions, and examples, for which there is too little room in a Zero Hedge comment. However, it remains that kind of language is profoundly different than the normal language, especially since I provide radical critiques of the basic concepts of thermodynamics and information theory, within my overall endeavours.

Rather, that explain everything I am saying in detail, with definitions, in a Zero Hedge comment I merely type out my impressions to various articles that I read, like this one above by Simon Black. I merely write to pass the time and amuse myself. Nobody has to read it. Since I believe that the real world will spin wildly out of control, despite anything I may say or do, and that the current runaway debt insanity WILL result in runaway death insanities, I believe I am merely being realistic when I try to understand what is going on ... The primary expression of "Justice" in the foreseeable future during the 21st Century will be that the collective deliberate ignorance of human civilization will cause proportionately extreme amounts of suffering.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:37 | 4455034 are we there yet
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The Ukraines president owns some really impressive new hyper mansions or castles. Google Yanukovych houses. Impressive on under $2000 a month government salry. Question: what does Kadafi, Obama, and Yanukovych have in common.... Answer: A LOT.

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:39 | 4455038 Ratscam
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zuerst das Fressen, dann die Moral

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 20:44 | 4455055 Westcoastliberal
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A Ukrainian lady speaks out:

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 04:05 | 4456417 Amagnonx
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Slick presentation by the CIA using a model.  There are two groups involved, and the 'protesters' are the same as they ever were - CIA funded and controlled.


While I dont believe any govt is legitimate, because the legal responsibility lies with the people - this is a case of global oligarchs attacking the local oligarchs - and far better to have the local oligarchs in charge, because at least they are exposed to the risks associated with being physically present in that nation - and having business that can be targted.  This restricts their activities - making wholesale slaughter of citizens quite risky - not the case with the international oligarchs. 

Wed, 02/19/2014 - 23:25 | 4455726 Mad Muppet
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Revolutions always seem to lead to something worse than what existed before...but then it may come that something worse is better than what we have.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 00:22 | 4455942 John Wilmot
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I don't know why libertarians valorize the French Revolution. It was a leftist affair from start to finish. It unleashed communism upon the world. The Jacobins were the predecessors of the Bolsheviks. It had almost nothing in common with the American Revolution, save the timing.

Too bad Louis was so humane and soft, he ought to have unleashed the army on Paris from day one.


Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:24 | 4457055 22winmag
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The revisionist history surrounding the Frech Revolution is right up there with lionizing Lincoln and pretending the Civil War was legal, necessary, or in any way a good thing.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 04:08 | 4456421 Amagnonx
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Self reliance with the support of family and community is the only answer to centralized control.  To resist the organized criminal center requires placing yourself at risk, but the risk of doing nothing and hoping for the best is the greater risk.


I believe there are a group of people who are always willing to assume the risks of action and defiance - and it does not require an entire population, just a small and determined minority.

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