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Ukraine Government-Opposition Truce Announced
With the Hryvnia at near-record lows (9.08 to the USD) and 3-month bill yields at 42%, we get a glimmer of good news from Ukraine:
- *UKRAINE PROTEST CAMP WON'T BE STORMED TONIGHT, OPPOSITION SAYS
- *UKRAINE GOVT, OPPOSITION AGREE ON TRUCE, YANUKOVYCH SAYS
- *UKRAINE TALKS AIMED AT STOPPING BLOODSHED, YANUKOVYCH SAYS
Though sadly we have seen this before...
President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych held a meeting with Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Volodymyr Rybak and members of the Working Group on the Settlement of Political Crisis.
The meeting was attended by Head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine Andriy Kliuyev, First Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine Andriy Portnov, Acting Minister of Justice Olena Lukash and leaders of opposition parties Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Vitali Klitschko, Oleh Tiahnybok.
Following the meeting, the parties declared:
- Truce
- Beginning of negotiations aimed at cessation of bloodshed and stabilization of the situation in the country for the sake of civil peace.
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Get out the marshmallows, will be songs around the campfire, for tonight anyway. They did this across the trenchlines over Christmas during WW1 too. Let's hope cooler heads prevail, agreed.
Police and "titushki" (police officers dressed as civilians pretending to be the demonstrators) killing real demonstrators. All the violence is to preserve the corrupt regime of Yanukovytch.
This goes straight to the International Court of Justice as evidence to charge and convict Yanukovytch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7jVEF9AZOI
Someone fled to Vienna on a private Gulfstream jet, got rejected and fled back to Kiev. Was it Yanukovytch?
https://twitter.com/mintparanoiac/status/436249168445968384/photo/1
"Get out the marshmallows, will be songs around the campfire, for tonight anyway. They did this across the trenchlines over Christmas during WW1 too. Let's hope cooler heads prevail, agreed"
"Si vis pacem, para bellum." - "If you expect peace, pull my finger."
..And the generals prevented such a truce from happening again.
With that said, I wonder what the U.S./E.U./Russia will do to get the fires roaring again.
If we are going to fixate on the Ukraine today, I'm going to continue to harp on the same shit too!!
What I posted below is as relevent this minute, as it was an hour ago!
While my gut emotional reaction is to cheer the images of "the people" moltov cocktailing the Government APC and all the rest, once I come down from my rush and realize all thses people are doing is rioting for the "right" to "join" the second most corrupt currency on the planet and MOST corrupt government entity (the EU) on the planet, my excitement is over!The reason they are rioting in Thailand, Chavezland, and Argentina, is the same as why they are rioting in Ukraine and Bosnia, don't let these propaganda sociopaths in the US and EU tell you otherwise!! The people have lost all of their wealth or most and their toliet paper currency is almost worthless, they can't eat, work, or prosper, and their scared as hell about what they should do about it!
The answer is NOT the EU or the US, Russia or China, its have a revolution that demands "the people" are paid in something that is going to hold value and protect their wealth, and establish the right to bear arms for all citizens, in order for the average citizen to protect that wealth and value!
2 steps, problems solved, bankers start to commit suicide, rioting stops, people go back to work, economy explodes to the up side, because 75% of economics, is persepction and sense of well being! When you feel safe and secure, you spend and take risks, simple fucking human nature, but these ivy league fuck offs, think there is a PHD needed to explain shit! So enjoy your slavery and servitude, and continue to believe in fairy tales and toilet paper dreams, as we descend into the abyss! I'm sure Yellen and Draghi will save us all. right??
problem, reaction, solution... don't worry, the NWO will make everyone double extra happy happy.
Sorry about that currency collapse...here we have some free Miley Cyrus video's for you (the news ones) and your kids (the old Disney ones).... compliments of our Hollywood Zio-tainment industry....there there. Now how would you like an introductory bronze level credit card?
To quote Mrs Nuland, "FUCK THE EU". This is the attitude in Ukraine now. Nobody gives a shit about the EU any more, nobody wants to join this club. All the people want is to get rid of the criminal gang that call themselves the government of Ukraine, and of course of their armed, dangerous and brutal henchmen.
Here is some of the shit the criminal gang pulled in the last day....I know there are a lot of cunts on ZH that support these fucks...Fucking Judas bunch, they would probably sell their own mothers as whores for a shekel....
I'm kind of surprised no Ukrainians said anything to your post yet, RL. You grossly mis-characterize the last three months of what's been going on there.
1. Ukraine doesn't want to 'join' the EU any more than they want to 'join' Russia. This is about trade agreements, not the cold war.
2. East and West Ukraine (and Kiev and Crimea) all have their own take on what kind of arrangement would be best. The protests were originally about making their voice heard, not about bullying other parts of the country to do something. You know... democracy. That was what the last three months of peaceful protests were about.
3. Ukranians have largely forgotten about the trade issues and have (very rightfully) turned their rage on the corrupt government. Lviv didn't declare independence from Ukraine and isn't joining the EU. They just threw the current local rats out of their region's administration and said they will not follow the current corrupt national administration.
4. There's plenty of thug groups on either side that have their own adgendas and are pretty visible in the protests. They don't represent most Ukrainians - they're just looking for their little hunk of cheese in the chaos.
5. The Ukrainians first and foremost want a democratic republic. They're not stupid - none of them want to be an EU, US or Russian lapdog (or doormat). That's the exact opposite of why they're taking bullets in the head right now. They're not getting shot simply to rotate blue team/red team crony politicians.
Great native perspective and listen but, sorry, we are all a little fed up with our own politician's and economic situation and corruption over here (US) and the EU (speaking from my US view of) and this has made us all a bit jaded when we think maybe some foreign nation is all lathered up on getting in on our good tidings and way of life. It doesn't help to hear that our sociopathic State Dept. is out giving dictates on who will form what Government where, when we desparately want these people out of our own lives and aren't evil enough to wish them on you!
TB: I'm from your FEMA regions. That's my take on what is going on there now based on numerous accounts from the Ukrainians on social media.
They had almost a Morsi-type problem with Yanukovych. People disagreed with him on a lot of things, but what really got them pissed is when he took his narrow election win as a wholesale license to stuff every last political office with his cronies (kind of like a certain red team/blue team tactic you and I may be familiar with).
I admire both the Ukrainian's class and will. Generally civilized and polite for three months as they protested against Yanukovych's 'Exectutive Order' style of heavy-handed leadership regarding trade and his unwillingness to address their concerns. Things were deteriorating, but what's the worst we saw... Fireworks? Lasers? Then Yanukovych's version of the DHS started visiting hospitals holding injured protestors and started dragged off the one's they thought were 'leaders'. Those protestors later turned up on the banks of the local river.
Then the cops (or their thug pals) started putting bullets in the protestors. Ukrainians are not nearly as pussified as the U.S. - the f'king gloves came off and they acted. Now it's a war between average Ukrainians and Yanukovych's Crony Administration. That's the most dangerous kind of war - psychopaths don't like to be confronted directly. They go bonkers. The regular Ukraine military isn't going to fire on average Ukrainians and the government knows this. The average cop probably doesn't either. Most of them look like they don't want to be there at all.
Despite wishful thinking by many outsiders with their own adgendas, Ukraine has little desire to destroy their government or split up the country. They DO have a desire to assert themselves and decide their own future. Corrupt, crony government doesn't fit in to that picture - Yanukovych's, or any one elses version.
I envy them. We use to live in a country like that a long time ago.
I hope and pray you are correct and Ukraine can chart a truly independent course. But they've been betrayed more than once by corrupt officials, and it will be hard to keep the foreign interlopers from meddling. And this truce has me a bit nervous. What do we really know is going on? Are the cronies and adventurers using this time to gather information and concentrate their influence when the truce breaks? How do they get cronies to agree to give up power let alone expect them to deal honestly with anyone. This is far from over. Pray for the people of Ukraine.
Too late! I saw someone cross the red line. I just know it.
I warned you bastards! Don't try to talk about peace now, cuz you ain't gettin none.
After yesterday's Police Berkut pogroms in Kiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y
Wrong, dickhead, your errand boys were invited to peace talks and offered key positions in Ukraine .gov a month ago. I'm afraid it's far from over, they've just agreed to a truce in order to regroup and recieve new orders from their Zio-overlords.
Fuck you and the McStain that rides you!
I guess America's for fathers should have just accepted positions of king george. You fucking idiot. People are fighting for their freedoms. Go live in North Korea if you like the Totalitarianism of Yanakovich.
Ukraine is not a colony. The government was lawfully elected. King George, on the otherhand, was not. kinda like the EU and the central banking system.
John are you a fucking idiot. That cunt Yanukovych stole the election. He fucking paid for it threatning half of Eastern Ukraine with unemployment. Fuck are you retarded...Get some help.
Which kinda reminds me of another cunt, currently in a Ukraine prison, that not only stole the "orange" elections of 2004, but also successively robbed the country...
They are all corrupt, fullstop. The only difference between Yanukovich and Yushchenko is who they're proxies for and what is their ultimate goal.
for fathers ? Perhaps we'd still speak English.
I guess America's for fathers should have just accepted positions of king george. You fucking idiot. People are fighting for their freedoms. Go live in North Korea if you like the Totalitarianism of Yanakovich.
"Freedom" with neonazis freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Svoboda%22
Are these the "neonazis" too?
https://twitter.com/mikeybbq/status/436262409477435392/photo/1
According to RIA Novosti this is a coup d'état in Ukraine! So much for KGB/FSB myth of "nazis" VS regime propaganda.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/436230083968528385/photo/1
Or these Hungarians who remember 1956 & Soviet tanks rolling in to crush their uprising?
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/436213783262793728/photo/1
Or Ukrainian Olympic alpine skier quits Sochi, blames Yanukovych for deaths on EuroMaidan
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/sport/ukrainian-olympic-alpine-skier-qui...
Everyone is a "neonazi?"
Sigh... The brainwashed Putin's sheep will never understand why scientists, engineers, and doctors have taken to the streets in Kiev.
Easy to pick cherries, huh?
I've posted here on multiple occasions about the deep east/west, catholic/orthodox, division of Ukraine. What is going on there now is Zbig playing his book as envisaged in his "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives" (1998). The failed EU-Ukraine contract was but a motive to ignite the fire fueled with neocon joobux. Those stupid protestors have no bloody idea that they're being played like puppets in fulfilling someone elses goals. To wit:
"Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization." (p.35)
"For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia... Now a non-Eurasian power is preeminent in Eurasia - and America's global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained.” (p.30)
"Henceforth, the United States may have to determine how to cope with regional coalitions that seek to push America out of Eurasia, thereby threatening America's status as a global power." (p.55)
You don't need to do the math, your pals at AIPAC have already done that for you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/euromaidan-uprising-and-the-grand-chessboar...
Sorry, but "the DEEP east/west, catholic/orthodox, division of Ukraine" is an exaggerated and promoted by KGB/FSB RIA Novosti propaganda myth.
Viktor Yanukovych threatened by first protests in Russian-speaking heartland
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10598876/Ukraine-Viktor-Yanukovych-threatened-by-first-protests-in-Russian-speaking-heartland.html
Ukraine Chief Loses Support in Stronghold
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/06/world/europe/ukraine-chief-loses-support-in-stronghold.html
So much for all that Putin's sheep religious believes that the solution is to divide the country.
You being the tool here. Those people want their freedom for themselves. It doesn't matter who is helping them. They are not motivated to bleed for AIPAC. They bleed for themselves. It sounds like you would deny someone his freedom because you hate a third party.
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Hey Thirdworlddick....
You must be one of those cunts that prays to Putin. He's your Zionist overlord. His Government is made up of about 80 % of them. Just look at Yanukovych's party...all Zionists.
Fuck are you ever stupid....You can even tell who is who....stupid fuck....
Crazy...thanks for the link
people died/were killed
Why is my inner Admiral Akbar shouting something about this?
Pass the Vodka.
"We gotta keep our heads down till this peace craze blows over."
Recently overheard comment at EU HQ.
What would that pretty piano playing lady from a few years ago have said about all this, "The birth pangs of a new Ukraine?"
Eloquently phrased by 'a piano lady' who never had her head kicked by an iron boot.
Rocky to bullwinkle Natasha is pissed over.
Now if they can only get the leaders of Ukraine to agree on special rights for the fudgepacker and bulldyke clamlicker brigade. Then and only then will the countries problems be solved if only the tenderloin division can get its way.
Soldier, ‘We Can’t Trust Each Other, Obama’s Divided Us, We’re Dangerously Close to Civil War
http://govtslaves.info/soldier-cant-trust-obamas-divided-us-dangerously-close-civil-war/
It's coming.
I do not want to see it, but the Nazobamunists will soon make their move.
Stay low.
Truces always benefit the side with the best communications and the best mobility...
This will last until the last planeful of reporters leaves Sochi. Then Ukraine will get back into its more typical history; a bloodbath.
Again, the few controlling interest groups are in a Chaos Theory approach in recovering a bad investment vehicle in UKRAINE .
Q2 of 2013 on OTC derivatives.
http://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qt1312b.pdf
Consolidated Banking Statistics.
http://www.bis.org/statistics/rppb1401_detailed.pdf
Book them a flight to Ukraine and watch them dodge a hell fire of bullets.
OBAMA CLAIMING HE DONE IT YET ?
They didnt build that truce, I did!
What most here on ZH don't understand is that the Ukrainian people are just tired of corruption and cronyism (yes I have inside scoop). Moving towards Russia guaranteed the status quo, at least, and I doubt anyone here has any clue what it is like to live as an average bloke with zero connections to the folks in power in a place like Ukraine. You get nada. You get your face beaten to a pulp for getting into a fender bender with a government stooge. The police don't give a crap, they're paid off. It's that kind of everyday living that makes these people go out and throw molotov cocktails at anything related to the government. These people have nothing to lose, it is that kind of desperation. Imagine the only way you can climb the success ladder is to become one of them, because you will not get anywhere unless you do. It takes a special person to be a psychopath, one that will sell their mother to get a break on the latest model BMW and a cushy 4 bedroom apartment in Kiev. Well, majority of people in Ukraine do not want to be one of those people. They want fairness and accountability. Is Europe the answer? I have no idea, but it sure ain't Russia. And anyone who praises Putin for being a "chess master" hasn't a clue what a crude manipulative hillbilly he really is. Anyway, it isn't about him, it's about wanting something different than scraping for a living.
ask the Spanish or the greeks how the EU saved them from corruption and cronyism.
I said that I don't know if Europe is the answer, you have obviously not read my post well. This euro-bashing is getting a bit tiresome and is irrelevant to what is happening in Ukraine, and why.
I think your question about whether Europe is the answer has a pretty obvious answer.
You think Putin with his "let me turn off the energy to the Ukraine in the middle of the winter to teach them a lesson" or his "let me open up a credit line for $2billion to keep Ukrainian politicos in my pocket" is better than the EU?
Wait until the olympics are over. At least the EU doesn't have tanks to roll.
>>you think putin
yes. there is a war raging, and Putin has chosen his side, against the zionist central banker run system. he is no saint, but these days do not call for saints. A fight is coming, and if you can't see who the real slave master is by now, well... good luck.
Putin is just a tool, like all the faces you see on TV.
It's easy to keep saying that B.S. but you go live in Ukraine for a fucking day and you'll fucking be begging to get into the EU.....
Somebody gets it.
Like in Romania and Bulgaria:)
On contrary, there is import crisis because Yanukovich see better offer from Russia than EU. In that moment chaos start supported by western goverment, which is proven with video tape. And in fist line of protestors are mostly neonazis from Svoboda and hooligans from football stadiums.
Yes, "Yanukovich see better offer from Russia than EU" because Yanukovich really cares about the well being of his people. That's what Yanukovich really cares about, not himself, no.
Don't rush! This member of the "vocal minority" did not claim Yanukovich cares about Ukrainian people. Without knowing, he said the truth, Yanukovich got a better offer (money, keeping him in power, ect) from Russia. The EU did not promise him billions of dollars (to taper off), like Putin did.
Hey NEX, finished your shift with Berkut? How many old ladies did you beat today Judas....
The only difference between the Ukraine and most western countries is one of scale. And yes, the EU is almost as bad in its own way. Not one of the chief apparatchiks in Brussels was ever elected by anyone and corruption is so rampant that the EU accounts have not been signed off by auditors for close to 10 years.
Like the Ukraine, the EU is rotten to the core. In fact most countries have political systems which are rotten to the core and stuffed full of psychopathic, criminal slimeballs.
I think most of us get it. It's only a vocal minority saying otherwise.
I think we get it. Hell, I live in a country that used to fit to what you described. The difference is we're already in the EU.
Unfortunately there are some trolls/paid internet shills/honest commenters (I feel sorry for those) around here. The good thing is we can spot them a mile away.
Hey, your description sounds just like Amerikkka!
I'm surprised this is not happening here with our Dictators.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/danielle-ryan/2014/02/i-am-a-ukrainian-this-ne...
I have a feeling this truce won't last long if Lviv doesn't reunite and return control to the former regional government. Also, when the Yanukovych fails to step down, they will be right back where they started.
God bless our fearless, red-line-drawing leader....
What is funny is how little other countries care about what Obama or Biden say. Yes, it is reported often and sometimes you get some that have the misconception of the US being a white horse and knight coming to the rescue, but most people see US beurocrats as being the opinionated neighbor down the street with the McMansion that wants to tell them how to run their life.
Since their other, closer, neighbor with a big house happens to be Russia, I don't think anyone really could take Obama seriously on any tough language.
Backdoor Barry: "Blah blah blah ukraine blah blah blah ukraine, blah Blah! Blah blah blah, ukraine, etc etc"
Bath House: "Curses! Foiled again!"
Reggie: "Honey, it's those supernational bank men on the phone again, they seem upset. Want me to tell them you're on the golf course?"
Somebody blinked and "shit their pants" and it wasn't Putin and Yanukovych.
Pretty certain Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry were told that the annointed ones looking out for America's interests saw something out there they didn't like both on (land and sea)!
Neither the Russians or the EU/US want the plebs to get any ideas that they can beat a military force by themselves without an intervening force of equal strength and weaponry firepower. It might give other plebs elsewhere ideas.....
That the plebs were this successful without guns for the most part probably has the US Marxist factions of the government spooked considering how much press and details of tactics the protestors were getting on places like reddit and here. If US citizens ever decide they have had enough they could easily make short work of the DHS and militarized police forces and their clown carriers without guns if anyone was paying attention. Now the protestors are arming themselves with the same militarized police force's weapons and ammo in a very public fashion no less. That had to have been too much for the control freaks on both sides of the proxy battle here. Neither side wants their human fidos getting any ideas that they might be able to function just fine without one of the 2 holding their leash.
Ukraine protest camp won't be stormed before end of Olympics.
Come Monday, Feb. 24... the sparring gloves come off.
Wouldn't want to be in the U.S. Navy trolling the Black Sea "before", "during" or "after" the Sochi games.
If the U.S.S. Taylor is any indication of how prepared we are for that kind of a fight -might want to think about it some more!
Ok, lets see now, do you want to be slaves to Gazprom or Chevron ... let me think ...
Ukraine=1848. Actually 1848 started in todays Ukraine. I believe next they will go after the rich, french revolution style.
Even the Israeli's have had it with their own Government....man maybe this is the Armagedeon just a future of gullitiones and anarchy until the the oil stops flowing and then mass starvation. NO ONE IS HAPPY ANYWHERE, maybe Sweden and Bali.
I was always waiting for the moment the EU turns overtly anti semitic...
The USG needs to be OUT of Ukraine.
Fuck it, we are spending money on these bullshit color revolutions with our own people on the ropes.
I do not know Who the "USG" is, but I do know it is NOT American. It is crushing Americans the same as it is killing by proxy in Syria.
Ukrainain youth speaks out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvds2AIiWLA