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The "Ukraine Situation" Explained In One Map

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Sadly, everything you need to know about the crisis in Ukraine in one worrisome map which summarizes all the relevant "red lines."

 

 

Given this - is there any doubt this will not end with peaceful resolution.

As Martin Armstrong warned this morning:

BOTH the USA and EU will now fund the rebels as Russia will fund Yanukovych. At the political level, Ukraine is the pawn on the chessboard. The propaganda war is East v West. However, those power plays are masking the core issue that began with the Orange Revolution – corruption. Yanukovych is a dictator who will NEVER leave office. It is simple as that. There will be no REAL elections again in Ukraine. This is starting to spiral down into a confrontation that the entire world cannot ignore.

h/t JS

 


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Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Looney
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Sadly, indeed...

It’s time to change our Foreign Policy. Instead of drawing Red Lines, we need to start using other colors and different types of lines.

Blue Dashed Lines can be used for the Middle East, Yellow Dotted lines – for all Russia-related issues. Pink Dash-Dot lines – for all Oriental ramblings. And the most important Solid White Double-line should be reserved for the war-mongering Antarctica.  ;-)

Looney

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Is that a blockage in one of those arteries??

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Arius
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Martin Armstrong?  he is the authority and the person to go about politics of Ukraine too???  yeah, well ... whatever ....

i guess if you dont watch ABC, CNBC here is your fringe version ...

another version of donkeys and elephants teams ...more circus for the masses ....

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:07 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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What about his statements did you disagree?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:27 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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In the next few hours Yanukovych in Kiev will introduce a state of emergency

Reported by Ukraine National Headquarters Resistance: 

While the imposition of emergency will be completely turn off the Internet and mobile communications.

Staff encourages all protesters to enter the square. Ukrainian and foreign media are calling to extend Square group photo and videokorespondentiv.

http://espreso.tv/new/2014/02/20/v_nayblyzhchi_hodyny_yanukovych_vvede_n...

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:58 | Link to Comment FMR Bankster
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Money and energy tend to be at issue in this type of situation. However, for those of us in the USA the problems associated with ethnic groups and changing borders rarely are recognized. (since our own borders have been stable)The eastern part of Ukraine has lots Russian nationals, is tied tight to Russia economically and voted for Yanukovych. The western part of the country has been part of Poland for most of it's history, is tied to Europe, and wants to be again. Let's sit this one out and leave it to Ukraine, Europe and Russia to solve.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Occident Mortal
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Here is the table from the BP statistical review which shows how much oil flows between the various regions of the world.

http://s22.postimg.org/aclnsv7kx/Oil_Routes.png

 

Notice how the US is no longer that dependent on the Middle East?

Notice who is dependent on the Middle East? Remember the Arab Spring?

Notice who is dependent on Russia? Remember Syria and now Ukraine?

 

The CIA have been very busy haven't they.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:14 | Link to Comment 0b1knob
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The map trivializes a complex situation.   The its-all-about-energy argument is hippy dippy propaganda carried over from Iraq.  The article is an insult to the brave people of the Ukraine.

Somebody is full of gas.    And sh!t.   But its not the Ukraine.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:21 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Let's see you hippy dippy your farm food to the grocery store shelves without oil.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:41 | Link to Comment fx
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You nailed it with all those lines. the black guy in the white house already selected antarctica as the major new enemy in  his "war on climatic change". Seems it's a change he doesn't want to believe in. Eh, you can keep your weather, if you liked it....

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:59 | Link to Comment strannick
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Armstrong is starting to sound like Time Magazine with his talk of dictators and real elections. Compared to what/where?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:05 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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give me control of a nation's pilpelines, and I care not who makes its uprisings

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:43 | Link to Comment macholatte
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is this the same guy as the one ZH is quoting:

 

Martin A. Armstrong From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Martin A. Armstrong Born November 1, 1949
New Jersey Occupation former Chairman Employer Princeton Economics International Ltd Known for Creator of the Economic Confidence Model

Martin Arthur Armstrong (born November 1, 1949 in New Jersey) is the former chairman of Princeton Economics International Ltd. He is best known for his economic predictions based on the Economic Confidence Model, which he developed.

In September 1999, Armstrong faced prosecution by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for fraud. During the trial, Armstrong was imprisoned for over seven years for civil contempt of court, one of the longest-running cases of civil contempt in American legal history.[1] In August 2006, Armstrong pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit fraud, and began a five-year sentence.[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Yes. That is the same guy.

 

Seven Years for Contempt of Court??? Doesn't that sound POLITICAL? No. Not at all.

 

Of course the US Military allows at least 10 admitted pedophiles to walk free on your streets. (Hopefully they will get your daughter.)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=607pyA_TTck

 

It is not called the Criminal Justice System by accident as it is run by CRIMINALS.

 

But you'd have me believe that we do not have Political Prisoners in the United States.

 

You'd have me believe that the torture that took place at Guantanimo Bay just does not happen. 

 

And you'd have me believe that they hate us for our Freedoms. 

 

Rah! Rah! 'Murica. Home of the Free...as long as you buy into the Party Line that is.

 

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Did you just wish for a child to be raped because of an opinion you don't like? 

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:13 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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in 'merica "time the hooch-gau" (prison) usually connotes with "street cred."

i did see Bernie Madoff is back to suing JPM again...said "they knew all along the crimes he was committed." I find it interesting that he isn't suing the FBI though since they're the one that went after the whistleblower.

Why am I paying for that guy to be in prison again?
I do find the legal defense team strategy quite endearing of course.
"Failed oversight of my criminal activity"?

No wonder these people succeed so well.
According to Hank Paulson no less than the President himself screamed "A PHUCKING INSURANCE COMPANY?????"

I found it rather endearing that this fact was duly recorded by the Treasury Secretary as well and look forward to the President's memoirs of said "sordid affair."

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment bunzbunzbunz
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Red line: Ukrainians getting free bitcoins from http://freebitco.in/?r=25727

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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It's common sense not rocket science Tyler Durden.

Why do you need Martin Armstrong's nonsense?

Oil and gas exports account for more than 50% of Russia’s budget revenue. Putin MUST keep oil/gas exports flowing. If oil/gas exports drop or oil prices drop just to $80, Russian government budget will lose its lifeline, and there won’t be enough money to fund all state programs.

If oil prices drop to $50-60, many Russians will not get their government checks, and whatever you see happening in Kiev today will happen in Moscow.

Then pro-Kremlin Tyler Durden from Zero Hedge, the flock of Putin's sheep, RIA Novosti (propaganda arm of ex-KGB/FSB), and Zhirinovsky (Eidelstein) nuts will start blaming McCain and CIA for riots in Moscow.
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BTW, Contrary to clueless and delusional Armstrong "opinions", criminal Yanukovytch rats are jumping off the ship. Putin's puppet Yanukovytch is next to go (hopefully to jail).

"Prosecutor General of Ukraine Viktor Pshonka & Ukrainian Minister of Internal Affairs Vitaliy Zakharchenko flew out the country |PRNews"

Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko and Prosecutor General Viktor Pshonka are covering for killers
http://maidantranslations.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/minister-vitaly-zakha...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:12 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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And unlike many oil exporters, Russian oil is delivered via pipeline, which is not the same as tankers...

The term Captive Audience comes to mind...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:13 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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Yanukovytch rats departure panic at the VIP-terminal at Zhuliany is confirmed.

Ukraine president seen loosing grip on power

February 20 will go down in Ukrainian history as one of the bloodiest days it has endured. At least 75 people were killed after police were ordered to use live ammunition on unarmed protestors. However, it also looks to have broken the back of the regime, as deputies fled the country and the opposition took control of the Rada.

However, as the day ended it seemed that Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych had gone too far, with his support melting away...

Threatening to take the money of Yanukovych and his backers looks to have helped do the trick (freezing accounts in European banks, seizing luxury villas on the Cote d'Azure, and cancelling visas).
http://www.bne.eu/storyf5786/Ukraine_president_seen_loosing_grip_on_power
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During these moments women with children and little dogs are departing from Zhuliany Airport. Tens of Mercedese Benzes and Lexuses. We saw with our own eyes collectors with Kalashnikovs and money. 3 planes have taken off within the last 10 minutes.
https://www.facebook.com/EuroMaydan/posts/613770108709519?stream_ref=1

According to absolutely reliable information, a crowd of people is now departing from the old terminal D, through the VIP hall of the Zhuliany Airport. At the same time, an observer noted that a man arrived at an armored vehicle (VW Transporter with blue plates 17-09, 11th region (Kyiv), belonging to the Guarding Direction according to the inscription at the side) and carried in two very heavy (!) bags.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:43 | Link to Comment strannick
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+1 Rothschild

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Rothschild is a pip squeak compared to my dick, cheers!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:49 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I'll say it now and /end.

Putin holds every card in the deck, has the EU by the balls & any talk of "the west" arming "rebels," to confront Russian forces, whether openly or attempted in stealth, is pure fantasy.

It's a silly fantasy not even worthy of discussion because there's a better statistical chance I'll shit a 2.2 kilo 99.99% gold brick tomorrow morning, and each and every morning thereafter.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 03:00 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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I agree that the West will not intervene... but Putin does not hold every card in the deck... Not even close...

If you cannot get your oil to market, you are fucked.... To first order Russian oil is landlocked and the vector of least resistance is pointed at Europe....

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:00 | Link to Comment piliage
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Correlation? Heck, Armstrong's got nothing on the Bangladesh butter theory of market correlation.

http://business.time.com/2009/04/16/the-bangladeshi-butter-production-th...

I generally avoid time based cycle theories, and they are just that, theories. And further, as we all SHOULD know, Correlation is not causation.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 05:42 | Link to Comment Space Animatoltipap
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Martin Armstrong behaves like a dictator himself. Just read some his pieces. He is truly considering himself an absolute authority on all kinds of relativities like money, history, science, politics. He is a nice example of a person with a high IQ soaked in megalomania. 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Jonas Parker
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Dear Prez and Lurch:

MYOB!

Sincerely,

The US Taxpayers

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment spqrusa
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Ahhh. A pure product of the indoctrination state.

How about produce and buy local? Our thinking is permeated by centralized control in the form of Safeway and Whole Foods when we should think about home farms and supporting local farmers.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:44 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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I agree there is a mosaic of issues which are having an impact in Ukraine.

One subject is the fact that the average Ukrainian earns monthly income of 3,429 Hryvnia (UAH), equal to $384 USD. The average monthly wage in Germany is about $4,000 USD. Western Europe is currently experiencing a low fertility trend which is creating a population imbalance, leading to an aging population and labor force.  

Germany’s population has been in decline since 1974, while the United Kingdom (UK), Belgium, Luxembourg and Denmark have experienced zero growth since the beginning of the 1980s.  By assimilating Ukraine's populace into Europe, it assures a very cheap labor pool for the EU for decades to come.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:06 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Well they had better bust a move. Western europe's hedonistic live for the moment values have killed them and they don't even appear to know it yet. Individual Ukrainians should figure out how to save themselves and theirs from the values prevalent in EITHER suitor for their country. Both the EU zone and Russia are far into demographic power dives, with Russia already quite strictly terminal, by any historical reference of demographic collapse of an entire ethnicity and nation.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:07 | Link to Comment Paveway IV
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No one in Maidan gives a crap about EU, the US or Russia. They don't know how to save themselves and they don't give a crap. The only thing the Ukrainians have done is identified a common enemy: their worse-than-the-mafia corrupt-ass government.

And guess who just stepped in with their economic jackboots to stomp on the face of the Ukrainian people? The friendly banks. They closed and the ATMs are empty in most of the major cities. No reason given - they just did.

I hope they string every one of those f'king criminal bankers up by the balls in the Maiden when this is all over.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Paveway IV
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Wow - even the frickin' bankers hate Yanukovych:

http://euromaidanpr.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/open-letter-to-yanukovych-f...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 01:28 | Link to Comment The Vineyard
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The Ukraine is screwed.  Putin's a bastard.  Bastard.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:17 | Link to Comment NZ Watcher
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Actually - the ATM next to our mama place in Kiev was ripped out of the wall last Tuesday night. Apparently there has been many cases of this in all regions of Kiev - maybe all Ukraine (apart from Crimea and East Ukraine most likely )

Banks stopped filling them because of this

 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:47 | Link to Comment Paveway IV
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People are reporting that *the ones still in the wall* have huge lines of pepole until they're emptied. The few banks that were open would only let people withdraw a small amount of cash. The ATM thing is serious because a lot of Ukrainians apparently get paid automatically on debt cards by employers. That and the hryvnia(?) is getting hammered against the Euro. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:15 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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Peak oil bitchez. It's ALL about oil.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:25 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Notice the third biggest exporter is West Africa. The CIA has taken a lot of interest in the Gulf of Guinea and so has China.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
Fri, 02/21/2014 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Seer
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AFRICOM

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:27 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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That's the CIA frakking in TX and the Dakotas? What is their ticker?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:54 | Link to Comment SmackDaddy
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great link, thanks.  sometmes its just nice to quantify these things.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:40 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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2/3 of the population is Ukrainian, 1/3 Russian.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Stupid Donkey
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It's amazing how many 'experts' and their parrots have never been to Ukraine.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:58 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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it's a solid point.

However, I'm confident that what the us government and MSM are representing the crisis to be is strictly propaganda.

I'd be interested to know more about how the Ukrainian media is representing it to the Ukrainians.  My understanding is a handful of oligarchs not only have substantial influence in the government, and in the opposition, but basically control the media.

If and to the extent true, are there are least the equivalent of Fox news and MSNBC giving them different species of horseshit?

I'd imagine there's roughly a west/ukrainian east/south/russian divide.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 05:06 | Link to Comment ebear
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"It's amazing how many 'experts' and their parrots have never been to Ukraine."

I met some nice Ukrainian women online.  Does that count?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Paveway IV
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Obama and the DHS Stazi are furiously scribbling notes for crowd control 'tips', i.e., use DHS snipers early and often; have fire extinguisher in MRAPs; don't let gas stations sell gasoline by the bottle... 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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How are we supposed to fuel our lawnmowers and snowblowers? Besides, someone determined could always put the gas in their car, take it home and siphon it off. This will just annoy people and do nothing to prevent the big FU that is coming their way.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:33 | Link to Comment BolanosGhost
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Oh, yes, yes, everyone gather round! gather round! you may see a bright flash and a loud pop, but that is just the flashbulb! 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Arius
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i disagree with building up "names as authorities on everything" ... we got already plenty of established institutions.

 

WHY should Armstrong know anything about Ukraine (we dont already know) unless he is an insider, or worse, is broadcasting the views of an insider ... just saying'

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:57 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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WHY should Armstrong know anything about Ukraine (we dont already know) unless he is an insider, or worse, is broadcasting the views of an insider ... just saying'

 

WHY should NBC, CNBC, ABC and other Network News Channels know anything about Ukraine (we dont already know) unless they are an insider, or worse, are broadcasting propaganda ... just saying'

 

First I really do not find that broadcasting views of an insider is necessarily malevolent. But broadcasting PROPAGANDA, as the Main Stream News does continuously is malevolent.

 

If you want your Main Strem News then you can keep your Main Stream News.

 

Since I REFUSE to watch Corporate TV then I will CONTINUE TO get my News from Alternative Sources.

 

At least I have a little bit better odds of getting an unbiased version...which I generally do not anyway. But with the Corporate News Stations I can guarantee that I will not get an unbiased version of the events.

 

I do not have any trust for YOUR Main Stream Media, pal. NONE.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Freddie
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TV is for retards but it seems like we have some State Dept shills here on ZH.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:18 | Link to Comment LosOsos
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I think you both are making Arius' point. Just beacuse Armstrong is considered 'alternative' doesn't mean we should't critically examine what he is saying and why. It's a false dichotomy to think 'well it's not MSM so it must be OK' and 'Oh he disagrees with blinding accepting Armstrong's statement so he must be a state dept shill'. Fuck every dialectic Red vs. Blue, MSM vs Alternative, Commie vs Capitalist, etc. as all they do is narrow perspective and allow the dialouge to be controlled by just two lines of thought.

 

All I'm saying (and I beleive what Arius is saying as well) is critically examine EVERYTHING.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:30 | Link to Comment RSloane
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+1 LosOsos. You said it very well.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Arius attempted to unjustly invalidate the meassage through the Character Assasination of the Messinger.

 

Yes Armstrong is "fringe". So what?

 

i guess if you dont watch ABC, CNBC here is your fringe version ...

another version of donkeys and elephants teams ...more circus for the masses ....

 

Furthermore he insulted the reader by claming that this was a "Fringe version" whereas it is just a rehash of the Main Stream Media Version.

 

Zerohedge may be an enclave of the "Lunatic Fringe". But I find it to be a place for the skeptic.

 

Besides who wants to be Normal anyway? Only the inferior desire to be Normal as that is an elevation in their status. Personally I am driven to be superior. There are a lot of superior minds in the forum. (That is why we label ourselves "lowbrows" in jest.)

 

As for the Jackasses and Elephant Circus...Well if you have read what I have written then you will know that I abandoned that paradigm long ago.

 

So the method which I used to invalidate Arius' argument was to use his words and demonstrate that I might have placed in another subject and it would prove out as an equivalent statement.

 

(Attack the message and do not attack the messinger. That is debate that will lead to some fruition.)

 

As I wrote before...I know that with the Main Stream Media I am just going to get a stream of Corporate PROPAGANDA. There might be some information that is valid but it is written to sway my opinion through manipulation of my emotions.

 

Now that is even true on Zerohedge...but NOT to the same extent.

 

I am not suggesting that everything that is written on Zerohedge is OK because it is an alternative source. Au contraire!!!

 

But I am suggesting that I have a better chance of it not being PROPAGANDA because it is an alternative source.

 

I am aware of the Hegelian Dialectic and the modus operandi of its' employment by the Propagandists.

 

(...whom I am looking forward to Hanging by their scrawny necks until they are dead.)

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:13 | Link to Comment chunga
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It would be interesting to learn if there is any real consensus among Ukrainians as to what should happen.

 

/as if that matters

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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that's a good point . They sure don't seem afraid of "taking care of business" here. If the guns start flowing in then obviously "the State of Emergency" is in Moscow.

I also think coal is a far bigger deal than natural gas...although that's in the "Russian speaking" Eastern Region.

I agree with those who say Russia really doesn't want to "lose" Ukraine as well. Russia is not going to starve with the loss of Ukraine...but those rail lines and that port falling into "non-Russian hands" would very much be a devastating blow to their "global influencing"...perhaps permanently.

Ukraine is larger than France and has a population of 50 million. Just on its own could become a very powerful economy.

Obviously they should not be nearly as poor as they are now...but if the tanks roll in you could see some wild times in the Black Sea.

Ironic given the backdrop of Sochi.
Also you have Belarus too.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 01:23 | Link to Comment Seer
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There wouldn't be any "consensus" there just as there is none here (US).  That is, a very large portion of a population may very well believe/want something, but the gatekeepers, protecting the "Systems" and TPTB, ensure that that "consensus" is never really realized/fulfilled.

There's a power struggle between different factions of TPTB.  Make no mistake about it, ONE of those factions will win: and if you refer to my opening paragraph you'll see that "consensus" (true consensus, TPTB will frame things as though there is one, but it's one of their crafting) isn't a candidate.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:51 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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That Yanukovych is a dictator for life and not an elected official who will leave as soon as his last term of office is up

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:18 | Link to Comment Seer
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"elected official" means what, exactly?

All are dictators for some oligarchy.  AND, some tensions are so great that "leaders" are pretty much forced to be dictators (refer to Saddam).

Until people get it that nationalism is what enables all of this, well, enjoy your free dictatorial systems!

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:14 | Link to Comment edwardo1
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ZH is in disagreement with Martin Armstrong but doesn't appear aware

of that fact.

 

In short MA says the underlying cause of conflict is corruption, but the corruption is the result of the high stakes implicit in the map where all

those pipelines converge.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:23 | Link to Comment Seer
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All wars are about resources.

All is about the struggle to control resources.

Nature is deceptive.

Humans are OF nature.

"Corruption" is implied, it's automatic.  If one wants to reduce it then the concentration of power must be reduced: "stronger" nation states is not the answer.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:07 | Link to Comment redpill
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I have an idea, how about the U.S. just stays out of it.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Indian_Goldsmith
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yOU TRAITOR! Why are you against american soldiers earning an honest living?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:16 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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Yeah, how else will they be able to feed their families... Hot Pockets.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:16 | Link to Comment prains
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If you lik eyour USA you can keep your nSSA

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:28 | Link to Comment V in PA
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That's funny. You must be one of those hippies.

 

Go Murica!! Let's kick some (fill in ethnic group) ASS!!!

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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More destabilization campaigns bought to you by the The Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. & its affiliates The Criminal STATE DEPT. CORP & CIA CORP. INC.

$5 Billlion dollars & a visit from Criminal Foreign Agent McCain goes a long way.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:16 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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BRIC's are moving away from the USD slowly.  The only way the US can fight this movement is to choke off or control the supply of oil.  That's what the next WW will be about.

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 17:28 | Link to Comment Meatier Shower
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The U.S. controlling or choking off the oil supply was the reason Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Germany's need for it is the reason it invaded the Caucasus.

Oil is the reason all major modern wars have been fought.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:52 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Ukraine: the new Russian Front

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:41 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Our interest here is just "fucking the EU", no? The map seems valuable in that regard.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:05 | Link to Comment RSloane
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I wish, Red Pill, I wish.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Tsukato
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I've gotta better idea. Lets not let vlad "the thief" Putin, get away with the same shit he pulled in Syria. That motherfucker stole so much Jew money, you would shit yourself. Time for a payback I'm guessing. Go team Obama! Show vlad your really not a little faggot monkey.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:34 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Hello Satan. Love the chaos, don't you?

Jesus Christ is your master, in his name please leave this place.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Tsukato
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Haha! Good one. But what's right is right. You can't fuck people out of so much money. God will never smile on such shenanigans. Also, you know Putin imprisoned girl-power band pussy riot?! Unbelievable! Such good girls. That son of a bitch needs to pay.
In addition, Putin makes a mockery of all the poor faggots and p-lickers. For shame! What if he had been born with the insatiable desire to slather his penis in another mans fecal matter? Should we hold it against him?!

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Satan...We know that you love the chaos. Now leave THIS PLACE (Zerohedge) in the name of Christ Jesus.

 

You missed the meaning of the prayer of which I am in agreement.

 

It was not a claim about you personally...unless you are Satan...which I do not necessarily believe so.

 

Yes I agree that Obama is a Sodomite. So I pray for him. I pray for Putin too.

 

War is not the answer.

 

 

 

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:02 | Link to Comment MeMongo
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No Seriously! You're one funny dude! Will you be doing a gig on everything Kiev?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Tsukato
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Life's not all about the yucks señor. What's right is right. How would you feel if there were some clever Mexican hombres de negocios, and Putin fucked them outa their dinero, and even sent a couple to prison?! You'd be sayin chupa mi vegra mariposa! And just be waiting for the chance to rain fire tamales all over Moscow.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Como se dice "vegra" en ingles? Google Translate has your phrase as "Suck my VEGRA Butterfly."

 

Do you mean Negra? Black?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Tsukato
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I meant dick, but I'm not fluent in Spanish amigo.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:43 | Link to Comment MeMongo
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Maybe hebrew is more your style:-)

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:39 | Link to Comment SmackDaddy
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pinga.  picked that up leading a crew of wetback landscaperss one summer.  oh that and multa.  good times haha

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Greenskeeper_Carl
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This all sounds eerily familiar to Syria a few months ago...

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Ferrari
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Agreed, and I wonder why? These swine are desperate, desperate for a huge war. And then get ready for the magic show.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:35 | Link to Comment BandGap
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They called a time out there. It was done that way to see how the other team was going to set up their defense.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:29 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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How about we stay out of it but sell guns and ammo to every Ukrainian who wants one.  That way they get the power and we get dinero.  Maybe they win or lose, who knows.  At least we'd have a potential customer.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 01:54 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Better yet, lets lend money to both sides so they can turn around and buy 'our' weapons.  They kill eachother and 'we' get rich.  It is a win win as far as I can see.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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when the us military and intelligence service go to work, it is manifestly not for the United States, but for the people who run it, and who will profit from the wars and the debt the wars create, a la the "IMF Riot" approach. 

Are Americans beginning to feel that they are "occupied" by a "regime"?  I'm genuinely asking...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:24 | Link to Comment Seer
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But, But! They've got OUR pipelines under their soil! </sarc [as though it should be necessary]>

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:42 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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O.K. you were doing o.k. with your comment on Armstrong . . . but then you had to mess it up and bring ABC & CNBC into it

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:01 | Link to Comment HyBrasilian
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The 'Ukraine Situation' xplained in one COMMENT [3 days ago ~ when the news was just breaking]

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But newcomers are welcome to the party as well.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Thought Processor
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Nice map.

 

Now it all makes sense.   

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:11 | Link to Comment HyBrasilian
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Need to look at this one as well [to get a more complete picture]

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http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=108395

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Thought Processor
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Thanks for the link.  That had some good insights in it.

 

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Volkodav
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dup!  and look latest Pepe thoughts at Asian Times...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:40 | Link to Comment Seer
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Pepe Escobar has always been able to call it.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:54 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Interesting recent development in Slovakia, one of the major pathways into Western Europe via Ukraine is that they made an agreement to ship gas the other way, into Ukraine, should the need arise.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Volkodav
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And where does any available surplus gas originate from? When you figure it out, let us know..

EU playing their games on the ignorant.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:39 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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That was where Syria came into the picture.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:48 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Here's a good explanation of what's going on :

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/20/ukraine-drifting-toward-civil...

 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:42 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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Here's the talk given by Victoria Nuland that he referenced:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU#t=476

 

That is some scary shit.  We're playing around in Putin's back yard and the state department has openly admitted it.  Fuck me, I don't want to get nuked. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:54 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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You don't know what youre missing if youve never done Duck & Cover drillls under your school desk.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:02 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Who needs pipelines?  You can just put it on trains like we do in the US.  Works fantastic if you don't mind torching some small town somewhere along the route about once a week,

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:18 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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You do know that those are nat gas pipelines on the map, right?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:50 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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I'm more of a "big picture" kinda guy.  Details like that are somebody else's problem.  

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 17:44 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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Stand back folks....we are dealing with a future President here....

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 05:57 | Link to Comment ebear
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yo....

I got your details right here:

 

http://www.arleasing.com/Pages/Products/SpecSheets/VCM-LPG.pdf

 

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Savvy
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But they got free pizza!!! And 2 litres of pop!

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Warren Buffet's Trains of Death.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:48 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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Zero will throw a tantrum when he finds his new color set doesn't have sparkles.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:54 | Link to Comment duo
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If Zero became a Scientologist we'd have Yanukovych Jr.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:45 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Absolutely, I bet Weird Al could give a great parody of this situation.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:24 | Link to Comment superflex
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Zero should stick to Crayola Washables.

Sharpies and Prismacolors are above his pay grade.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Occident Mortal
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5.8 million barrels of oil a day flow from Russia into Europe, it's the single largest export channel on the planet.

 

If this channel breaks down, Russia is screwed (and so is Europe). That's why the CIA are working hard in this region, starting wars.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:47 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Russia will hardly be "screwed" if the don't send oil to the E.Z.

If you have energy available for consumption, you can do all kinds of things.

When fraud is the status quo, possession is the law.

Who run's bartertown?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:13 | Link to Comment redpill
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Well.... aren't we a pair, raggedy man.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:29 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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LoPdood, there are a lot of ZH types who have not kept up with what makes the world go round.

If you have oil, you dictate terms.  If someone says . . . I'll get it somewhere else you say go ahead.  I'll burn my oil myself.  Then you fuel your tractors and grow food, you transport that food to Moscow, and you eat.

That someone who said he'll get it somewhere else discovers . . . he can't.  There is nowhere else.  Then he comes back and says he changed his mind.  Russia says, so have I.  The price is the original price, but I'm also going to need some foreign policy adjustment from you.

That's how Russia is now the big Kahuna, and people haven't figured it out yet.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:29 | Link to Comment V in PA
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Master Blaster run's Bartertown

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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yep. great thread...sorry for being an "apologist for the State Department" if i come across that way.

the Crimean War was an awful affair...a harbinger of the US Civil War.

I still think this piece of real estate is unfortunately far more valuable than just natural gas...State of Emergency "just in time for the Closing Ceremonies"?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The moar equal EU countries have a direct connection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nordstream.png

Russia really isn't screwed

Bottom line everything pumping through the Ukraine can be diverted through Belarus, Nord Stream etc.

http://www.eegas.com/maps.htm

There is only 1 line that can't be diverted at least not yet and that is the one that bypasses Turkey to feed the Nabucco (that feeder system that starts in Turkey with the only entry point for ME gas is through Syria because all the bordering territory around Turkey is Kuridsh except for a small sliver in northern Syria ,coincidentally enough the route they want to expand the Arab Gas Pipeline through to feed into the Nabucco.

That is the only line the Russians don't have a secondary route period to reroute gas if the primary line is cut off...... That is until they finish buidling the south stream line across the Black Sea.

Ukraine is all about the Nabucco so is Syria.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:48 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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Good points....and..

 

Short memories will recall the fuss in Odessa regarding the Russian Navy port and wanting them out.

 

Short memories can also recall that $8.00 oil destroyed the USSR ( not ronnie raygun as so many have tried to write history to his glory) which in turn saw the Berlin Wall fall.  A helpless, bankrupt USSR...thanks to loss of oil income.

 

Fast forward to Iran and Russia kissing oil for gold.  Iran and China kissing for the same with Afghanistan in the way (Russia went there to stop the flow of opium into the USSR...is THAT why we are there too and stop a pipeline from Iran to China?).  Don't forget the Syrian war is about stopping a gas pipeline from reaching Europe, thus Russia goes down like they did with $8.00 oil.  The Black Sea pipeline is not functional yet, and we are right back to Odessa.

 

The last two World Wars started in the part of the world where east meets west.  The tensions between NATO and Russia have never been worse (remember Putin's Christmas card to NATO with Santa standing in front of Nuclear missals?).

 

Russia can not cut off the gas (or oil) without cutting its own throat, especially with the Ruble in the toilet right now.  Europe would declare war (and solve the unemployment problem)  if Russia stops the flow or oil or gas.  That leaves the Ukraines to cut it off.  But that would be taking a scorched earth position and leave them with no friends east or west...no the Ukraines will not cut off the flow....so that leaves who to do it?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:55 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Friends?  Please, when it comes to reseource scarcity, you want just enough friends, but not so many that they consume all your resources.  Russia has been buying gold, and they have oil.  They can back the ruble with these real assets and tell the E.Z. to go fuck themselves.

When fraud is the status quo, possession is the the fucking law.  To use your own words, go ahead, let the E.Z. "solve the unemployment problem".  You really think some conventional war against russia would happen? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

 

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:56 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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Europe declare war against Russia? Europe and whose army? Western Europeans have no stomach for such a war, and so there can't be one.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Its a lot easier to attack FROM Russia, than to ATTACK Russia.

I'm sure people here don't need to a detailed refresher on the fates of Napoleon and Hitler's attempts at invading Russia.

More successful have been the ploys to take it over from inside, see the Romanovs, the Communists, and post-privatization, the Oligarchs.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Expect a response from Putin at the close of the Olympic Ceremonies.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:48 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Reagan and Thatcher would have enjoyed such an opportunity, in their day. Right now I'm not sure all those balance sheets and derivatives will survive another week anyway. A gas pipeline cutoff in he Ukraine might cause an u precedented shitstorm that'd reach small town USA overnight. So, while "fuck the EU" is a beautiful and Right sentiment, let's assfuck it with protection on, for us, mmmkay?

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Smegley Wanxalot
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and Green lines for environmental issues.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:13 | Link to Comment IREN Colorado
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An old Cold Warrior:

"Russia is a wicked parasite that needs the resources of its neighbors to exist. It creates nothing. It consumes everything in its sphere of influence. It is such an awful place the women refuse to have babies and its men drink vodka to numb the humiliation.

Other than that, I don't have an opinion. "

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Russia is a wicked parasite that needs the resources of its neighbors to exist. It creates nothing. It consumes everything in its sphere of influence. It is such an awful place the women refuse to have babies and its men drink vodka to numb the humiliation

 

Japan is a wicked parasite that needs the resources of its neighbors to exist. It creates nothing without those resources. It consumes everything in its sphere of influence. It is such an awful place the women refuse to have babies and its men drink Saki to numb the humiliation

 

Why does it sound so familiar?

 

But Japan is a "Good Nation" and Russia is a "Bad Nation"???

 

The PROPAGANDA gets old and so boring.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:32 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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"We have always been at war with Eurasia."   - - -  Big Brother, 1984

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Strategic location = Superpower showdown

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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It should be plainly obvious to EVERYONE how the "superpowers" so willinginly use people as pawns in their little resource games.  The more and more I see this kind of shit happen, the more and more I feel good in my position of anarchist.  These governments get the pawns to choose sides and kill each other, while the elite dress in drag and spank each other while eating foie gras and buying Porsche's.  I won't be choosing a side to fight on when the SHTF here, I will just be defending my family to the death and nothing more.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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This particular resources game has a forgone conclusion. The eventual cost is merely a reflection of the HUBRIS of one side, and the HYPOCRISY of their cock-sucking mollusks in Brussels.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 15:50 | Link to Comment janus
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well said.

i sometimes wish i had a selector-switch for triple burst on this voting system.

up-up-up

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:20 | Link to Comment MiltonFriedmans...
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+1000 Richard

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:06 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Tribalism runs deep in human beings. As social creatures with the survival advantage of working & communicating in groups, this tendency helped our long term survival. But now the psychopaths use that tribalism to Divide & Conquer. People don't see that they actually have more in common with their made up 'enemies' than most of their own 'leaders' who are nothing but murderous parasites. Thus, there is always an 'enemy' 'over there' and all sorts of divisions including those based on race, sex, color, religion, etc, etc are stirred up as much as possible. (The politics of race baiting has been particularly pushed in America, for example.)

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:58 | Link to Comment BandGap
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No shit, I always thought the start would be somewhere that people least expected. Had my money on the South China Sea region, buit it looks like the action is in Ukraine. Fucking former Soviet state, never would have thunk it.

This proxy war fits into the overall struggle involving the pipeline through Syria, too. Even Ukraine's ethnic splits work into the makings of one heluva civil war (17% Russian).

This plain sucks.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:53 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Let's airdrop tons of those GoPro cameras in there, so we don't miss anything.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Funny enough for me, I have been learning Russian, Ukrainian, and central asian medieval history for at least the last couple months.  BTW, there was a lot of war in the medieval history of Russia, Ukraine, central Asia, for those want the Cliff Notes version.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 03:16 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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I was in Ukraine (including Kiev) a few years ago. Long and amazing history. Their people have gone through so much. Some very beautiful women there, some with a bit of a wonderful exotic look. Influence from the Tatar invasions from the east.  Very sad what's happening there now.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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How long before the gas pipelines are taken out.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 23:42 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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yep. "all about a map and railroads" in my view.

could be a Quagmire though too.
Sure is a different ending from the Games in Beijing.
Those might go down as the best Olympic Games ever....certainly China captured the Spirit of the Games right.

I did see a couple of Ukrainians did withdraw.
It's a long way from Moscow to Kiev.
And I imagine vice versa as well.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 10:43 | Link to Comment Bryan
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If you haven't in a while, start reading "The Revelation" again.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 11:54 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The sci-fi part of the bible.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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Along with Daniel, the portion of the bible "Christian" Zionists go full retard on.

 

Stupid Protestants duped by the stupid Judaisized Scoffield Bible and ignorance of the Gospels.

Thu, 02/20/2014 - 13:58 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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On the other hand, Israel is an open, tolerant, highly educated, relatively free country whose very large Arab population lives well and wouldn't trade their citizenship for any shithole neighbors. I fucking love israel. Love it. and I'm one of those atheists-by-default who doesnt feel much sacred/mystical presence from churches and old religious documents but gets a giant boner from human flourishing under a regime of rule of law and natural individual rights.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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I stopped reading at "tolerant".  Israel is remarkably intolerant.  Just because it isn't as bad as Saudi Arabia doesn't mean it isn't a piece of shit apartheid colony by people whose whole identity is based on racialism, myth, lies, and superstition.

You might want to broaden your news/information consumption.

 

1947-1949 War

While it is widely reported that the resulting war eventually included five Arab armies, less well known is the fact that throughout this war Zionist forces outnumbered all Arab and Palestinian combatants combined – often by a factor of two to three. Moreover, Arab armies did not invade Israel – virtually all battles were fought on land that was to have been the Palestinian state.

Finally, it is significant to note that Arab armies entered the conflict only after Zionist forces had committed 16 massacres, including the grisly massacre of over 100 men, women, and children at Deir Yassin. Future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, head of one of the Jewish terrorist groups, described this as “splendid,” and stated: “As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou has chosen us for conquest.” Zionist forces committed 33 massacres altogether.

By the end of the war, Israel had conquered 78 percent of Palestine; three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been made refugees; over 500 towns and villages had been obliterated; and a new map was drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock received a new, Hebrew name, as all vestiges of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. For decades Israel denied the existence of this population, former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir once saying: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

 

 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 02:06 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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It sucks to be Arab, particularly in an Arab country, and even more so in an Arab army.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 09:45 | Link to Comment yochananmichael
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the arab invaders arent Palestinians - Jews are Palestinian.Just like the Greeks are the real denizens ofConstantinople

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