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The "Ukraine Situation" Explained In One Map
Sadly, everything you need to know about the crisis in Ukraine in one worrisome map which summarizes all the relevant "red lines."
Given this - is there any doubt this will not end with peaceful resolution.
As Martin Armstrong warned this morning:
BOTH the USA and EU will now fund the rebels as Russia will fund Yanukovych. At the political level, Ukraine is the pawn on the chessboard. The propaganda war is East v West. However, those power plays are masking the core issue that began with the Orange Revolution – corruption. Yanukovych is a dictator who will NEVER leave office. It is simple as that. There will be no REAL elections again in Ukraine. This is starting to spiral down into a confrontation that the entire world cannot ignore.
h/t JS
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It is like Technical Analysis. You have many people whom make the claim that Technical Analysis does not work in a Managed Market.
However there are many more people whom do not believe, wrongly or rightly, that Markets are managed. Therefore they make decisions based upon that which they believe and realize the Self Fulfilling Prophecy. Thus Technical Analysis works because most people believe that it works..AND MAKE MAJOR FINANCIAL DECISIONS BASED ON IT.
It is likewise with the Book of Revelations. Because you may not believe that there is a God and believe that the Book of Revelation is valid DOES NOT MEAN that there are many more people whom DO BELIEVE in the Prophecy. (For instance I do believe it.) They will base their ENTIRE LIFE on what is written in that Book. It will be realized as a Self Fulfiling Prophecy.
If you are right about atheism, and there is no God, then that Book is STILL an EXTREMELY POWERFUL BOOK and you will not escape the consequences thereof.
People ACT UPON WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
That fact, alone, should be a very strong indicator that there is a God; that an ancient writing, as that, does have so much power over the Human Collective Mind.
Oh come on who would believe some evil central authority would have us all numbered and tagged and thereby control us in the least little degree.
supurb, TT.
what an ironic post.
The book of rev would only come true due to anachronistic self-fulfilling prophecy.
Only Scoffield Annotated ZioBible types thinks it regards the future. It absolutely does not - it regards Christians versus the Roman Empire in the decades after Christ.
Yes yes, your mind immediately rejects it, applies a label to it - but doubt is a holy thing, and you could at least be brave and honest enough to do some googling and youtubing to learn about this position.
Then again, Evangelicals spend so much time in the OT and on awaiting a final war that they never read the NT and fail even to be supercessionist in outlook.
It's as if a group of Pharisees intentionally found a way to dupe a large number of Protestants away from the Gospels and the Acts of The Man Himself... and in such a way that they never realize it.
You Need To Cover This!
DHS To Make Another Huge Ammo Buy, Cornering The Market
http://govtslaves.info/dhs-contracted-purchase-704-million-rounds-ammo-n...
DHS has to 'replace' all the ammo they shipped to Syrian rebels!
ok, maybe you don't shoot, or practice much if you do shoot. I go the the indoor range 1-2 times a week. Each time I go I shoot 60+ rounds (which is only 4 mags of 17 rounds each). This could take all of 10 minutes, depending. These are pistol rounds. So in a month I consume at least 250 pistol rounds up to as many as 500 per month, but lets just say 250. That's at least 3000++ rounds per year if my math is correct. having said that I know last year I shot well over 3 cases (3000).
When the weather (blaming the weather, I know) gets nice I go to an outdoor range on the weekend and shoot over 240+ carbine rounds - which is only 8 mags of 30. I do this twice a month, or more, in the off-winter months. lets say 5 months * 400 = 2000. Last year I shot about 5000 rounds so I guess I got in a few more weekends.
This DHS order is for 2500 rounds per agent, correct? They are supposed to train to be experts. How else will they be able to accurately shoot kids with AK shaped BB guns and pointing game controllers.
I'm just a gun hobbyist civilian shmuck and I shoot more than that. Just does not sound like a lot of ammo to me.
Yeah, the numbers are made to out to be a big deal when they're really not when people who have any experience shooting really stop and think about it.
I know peeps who go out with their ARs about twice a month, 10 standard capacity magazines each time = about 600 rds a month on average. That's 7200 rounds per year for funsies/target practice and that's not including .22LR or 9mm through the Glock.
Also, during the height of the recent panic, I watched over 3 million rounds of 5.45 x 39 sell out on AimSurplus in about an hour and a half.
These .gov purchases are really not that big a deal folks. Civies are doing just fine.
Just do a google image search for "ammo whore".
https://www.google.com/search?q=ammo+whore&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms...
I bought almost 2,500 rounds before Christmas.
It sounds like quite a bit to me still - bump that 7200 up to 7500...704 million rounds divided by 7500 rounds per funsie/target practice per DHS agent still equals to just under 94,000 agents.
So the gov needs 1.7B rounds of .40 hollow point for practice?
If it's all .40 S&W, I think my local Walmart could fulfill about 80% of the order...it's good to see their ammo cabinet stacked again, I just wish they had more than this one caliber.
...cover this too: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4318-us-develops-lethal-new-viruses.html
If it's all about these piplines, then Russia simply needs to shut off those red arrows and wait. "Crisis" averted...
That is called cutting off your nose to spite your face...
..and happens all the fucking time. When fraud is the status quo, possession is the law.
Who runs bartertown?
Might makes right. Might = Possession.
We've got global warming don'tcha know? The global warming(weather) in Europe doesn't make this an opportune day/week to play that card.
Global warming doesn't mean that winter ends, same as when one has a fever chills don't end.
True, but it's so damn sunny and hot today that trading my speedos for a thong wouldn't be out the question (if I were willing to be caught dead in a thong)... so it's not an opportune time to play the gas card for maximum benefit (since doing so also incurs both short and long term costs for Russia).
Yanukovych and his son have stolen billions from the Ukraine...and the people are tired of it...unfortunatly anyone in power in the Ukraine is corrupt....from the police down to the building inspectors....they all require a payoff...over and above the fee imposed
Sounds like Chicago and New York City.
The jarret administration already has this figured out then.
She works for Rahm and Axelrod, sweetie.
...unfortunately anyone in power in the (insert the name of ANY Government here) is corrupt...
Fixed it for you.
Yeah? And what about those free and fair elections in the US and EU? Blue vs red is not an election. It's blatant fraud. GS appoints leaders in the EU. Putin appears to be president for life. No one thinks that democracy is important these days.
Democracy? Shit, I would be happy with a representative republic based on a constitutional BILL OF RIGHTS...
oh wait, something about a "tree of liberty" needing fertilizer comes to mind...
The blood of patriots has been diluted with domestic piss water beer and poisned with fluoride.
Just present your Obamacare card at your nearest health facility, and get a free transfusion.*
*Deductibles and copays may apply. Consult your financial advisor before seeking care.
Curious here, but about this flouride thing. What do you brush your teeth with? A toothbrush, naturally, and ...
You drink your tooth paste? Gross.
That's not all he swallows j/k
... said the guy with the finger puppet. Was Senor Wences your great uncle? jkt :)
ohhhh. So you're cool with just holding it in your mouth.
Seems your reasonable observation from a couple of days ago fell on deaf ears...
My apologies. To which observation are you referring, as they all seem reasonable to me? ;->
That Obama might not be to blame for absolutely positively everything that can go wrong on this planet...
Some things just are what they are. To bring one person in on every darn argument is just deranged to me.
Kneejerk intellectual bankruptcy comes to mind...
The problem is that beer shouldn't be made out of rice.
More by Ted Kennedy's 1960's immigration reform, as to the measurable palpable dilution. Voters had to be imported to keep them in business.
Watering time. Blood of tyrants and patriots. Not fertilizer.
where in God's name do you get these crazy ideas?
Democracy is the most vile form of government. It is a Constitutional Republic you seek.
This is clearly all Russia's fault. Just like Victoria Noonan's misunderstood constructive criticism
gaslines are the rorschach of geopolitics
To me this argument makes no sense. If it's about the gas lines, why doesn't Russia just shut off the gas? And If I'm a rebel why not target the lines?
Yes. Why not?
Russia indeed uses the gas as a political weapon and has shut it down multiple times in the past. But now the "Russian" guy is in office. Ukraine and Russia just agreed on further cooperation. Shutting it down does nothing to help the situation. You can be sure that if things turn out badly for Russia gas will be used as a political weapon and if Ukraine doesn't find alternatives quickly their economy will suffer even more.
Not a bad take on it...
Has anyone considered the rebels might blow up the gas pipelines to piss off Putin? I'm sure there are plenty of CIA operatives floating around to do the dirty.
Why does it have to be CIA operatives?
Who is doing this? - - -> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/oil-train-derailments-reaching-crisis-point
Goons or patriots?!
In the case, the evidence would suggest pure incompetence.
Never confuse greed mixed with incompetance for a conspiracy...
Regardless, equipment/tracks must be properly maintained, period.
I agree completely...
My point was that some see conspiracy here where there is none...
It all goes back to the Civil War.
SERIOUSLY
Funny that you mention that, it would appear that the Ukraine just had it's Ft. Sumter moment...
Otherwise known as "deferred maintenance." Check the history of Penn Central for an early example.
This would piss off their EU sponsors more than Putin.
Note that Usrael uses weapons as political weapons
So the real bully is identified. Take care now, mustn't upset you know who! Or else!
I wish someone would shut the gas off on us. He is constantly bloviating pontificacious horse shit and plays more statist golf than a Tiger in the Woods.
Anyone heading to Moldova for Spring Break?
The propaganda in the US hasn't even peaked Banzai, they are just warming up. I fully expect some sort of armband in the near future, likely a "rainbow coalition" style armband.
Pffft. That'll last as long as it takes a few armband wearers to meet a violent end.
I am pretty sure 'playing golf' is what they say the President is doing... Just because he is in the club house, at the country club, doesn't mean he is there for golf!
... and plays more statist golf than a Tiger in the Woods
Does a Tiger shit in the Woods? ;-)
Looney
Is that where the Sochi after-party will be?
Everytime I see "Moldova" it makes me think of the "Dolores" Seinfeld episode.
I'm not a fan of splitting a county, because people do to no sort themselves out into borders (without coercion). But Ukraine looks like a Byelorussia and a Lithuania unhappily strapped together.
Pretty much bang on...
Any idea how many native Ukrainians signed on with Nazis when they came through (and fought to the bitter end)... Look up the term Hiwi...
In the post-war Stalin all but re-purged the Ukraine...
There is zero love lost...
Because the Bolsheviks were Nazis to the Ukrainians, you ignorant little bitch. Leaving aside the small but genuine neo-nazis forming part of the current protests, it is absurd to fault the Ukrainians for siding with the Germans against the Bolsheviks.
Simply saying "Nazi" at us doesn't make your argument valid. It just means your the kind of cunt who thinks tossing the word "Nazi" about will stop all thinking, and all recognition of the fact the fucking Bolsheviks killed far, far more people than the Nazis.
This passes for the level of your intellectual contribution?
Pretty sad, actually...
@Flakmeister...
I think in this case he pretty correct you cocksucking zionist...
Just out of curiousity, where did I fault the Ukranians for doing anything? They did what they did, I passed no judgement...
BTW, the irony of calling someone with my avatar a zionist is clearly lost on you...
Bolsheviks were Jews in the revolution of 1917.. Over 20 million to Russians died defending their homeland against the Nazi invasion. When u say the bolsheviks were Nazis to the Ukrainians are u referring to the Banderas who fought on the side of the Nazis agaisnt their own people? Because for some reason in the west only the nationalistic, steps Bandera followers from lviv are considered as Ukrainian..m
I would have liked this debate to have gone furhter
This Bandera/Natzi timeframe still has me searching for answers !!
Idiology is and always has been a sideshow that sells newspapers. The control of natural resources is what it's all about.
what BS article, martin is an idiot and zionist shill, real dictators let protestors kill police, sure. how is that there are opposition parties?
what BS article, martin is an idiot and zionist shill, real dictators let protestors kill police, sure. how is that there are opposition parties?
What is not true? This is at its roots about corruption.
buckwheat
agreed Martin is a neo-CON shill
Yanukvych was fairly elected and has limited powers. (Martin claims Yanukvych is a "dictator") [If Yannukvch is a "dictator", then other leaders in the US and EU, as well as their allies, must also be deemed so. Perhaps dealing with political freedoms in one's own country should be the first priority.]
The core issue is US/NATO/IMF expansion and intrusion (Martin claims the core issue is "corruption") [There has been much discussion at ZH about corruption. Suffice it to say that the corruption of the US and EU, and their allies in India, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, etc. are hardly less so. And arguably, the wealthy US/EU does the most corrupting of others.]
For many reasons, the US/EU should keep out. (Martin claims the world "cannot ignore" it, presumably to justify his statement that the US/EU will "support" the "rebels". Hypocritical humanitarian intervention indeed.)
I wonder whether, as this map implies, there really are no major pipelne routes from Siberia through Belarus or the Baltic states into Poland.
There are pipelines through Belarus. It's the other major transit route. They also recently built a pipeline through the Baltic Sea straight to Germany, so that energy will be delivered even during "unstable" periods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
1.5 TCF per year.... or ~4.5 BCF a day...
To give you an idea, Germany imports about 5 BCF per day..
Here is the complete picture (does not yet reflect Nord_Stream completion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Major_russian_gas_pipelines_to_europe.png
Thanks for the map. So regardless of what happens in the Ukraine, Germany (and the Europe who can afford it) will still get their Russian gas. Well, that's good news. Why would anyone throw a war over pipelines to the Balkans and Turkey?
I don't see any protracted war, aside from "invited" Russian help to suppress/crush whatever Ukranian rebels can muster.
The Russians are a bit different from almost all other major oil exporters in that their oil moves by primarily by pipeline. That changes many factors. Lets just say that selling oil to alternative customers is difficult...
Also, do people really think that the Putin will turn to China for financial backing through any conflict with the West. Remember, no hydrocarbon sales, 50% less government revenues... I don;t see it, but I may be mistaken...
So Flak, in your opinion, does this clash in the Ukraine have anything to do with oil pipelines? Or is it that Ukranians are mortally concerned with whether their hegemon is to their East or their West? Or is it something else? Your facts have just debunked the idea that East/West (spy vs. spy) puppet-masters orchestrated this (now deadly) revolt over pipeline ownership. What do you think it's about?
The pipelines are an issue, for the obvious reasons and partly because hard currency is involved vis transfer fees but it is pretty clear that this is driven by the Ukrainian people being fed up with the status quo...
They look at Poland and Belarus, the former tied to the West with a much higher standard of living and the latter, a poor corrupt puppet state of Russia. The choice and direction they want to take is very clear in their minds...
The issue is that Russia needs the Ukraine far more than the Ukraine needs Russia. And even the most cursory examination of 20th century Ukranian history shows there is no love lost between the two. Not many people realize 1/4 of the front line strength of the von Paulus's 6th Army were Russian, predominantly Ukranian volunteers....
Like I said above, the West will gnash their teeth and make noises but they will not directly interfere. Putin is a dangerous powerful man and you do not corner men of his ilk without giving them a facesaving way out. The Ukraine is not Syria...
According to this map, the major pipeline through Belarus exits into the Ukraine.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7276589.stm
Yanukovich was elected in what were deemed fair elections. This is an attempted putsch by the usual suspects.
What? You have no clue.
in no small part, the outsized money and media power of the usual suspects in Ukraine is a large part of the story no media outlet will touch even though it is exceedingly relevant because, you know, in a time of universal deceit....
It makes you wonder if Putin 'let' the opposition grab that weapons cache yesterday. Once fighting increases, Ukraine will be able to call for 'help' from the Russian army -- and now we know that the primary mission will be to protect these pipelines. There is simply NO WAY that Putin will let control of these pipelines slip away.
The real shame is that the majority of the people in the Ukraine just want to go on living their lives -- just like the people of Syria did -- before global politics destroyed their homes and their lives...
These pipelines are "Transit" lines - Yes
So - what has Russia got to loose - they are the source of the transiting product/export.
They can't loose - maybe in short term they might lose some revenue, but that just means their resource will last a little longer, it will still be there for sale
Anyway - just a thought - down the crap out of me :-))))
Martin Armstrong was the original Madoff before Madoff was Madoff. I don't want to automatically discount something someone says just because they have a history being a BS/con-artist. However, I find reading him for any reason other than trying to figure out what stupid mega-loss trade he is stuck in this time provides little entertainment or use.
Holy shit. Do you know even the first thing about the guy? Get your head out of your ass.
Yeah. I know a lot about Martin Armstrong, blind follower. He is a full of shit con man. He Madoffed the shit out of his clients and has 1000 excuses for why he went to jail other than that. His magic computer that predicts everything should be your tip off. Either you see it or you are a victim. Get some BS detectors or you are dog food in this world.
I mean seriously. The guy was under investigation for mega fraud, and the investigators came to get his computer equipment. But he spins it like the government wanted his super secret AI to use for their own purposes, not as evidence of fraud. And anyone with an ego like his is a trading trainwreck--Which is why he lost all his clients money, and then tried to hide the losses until he was busted.
His name was Sergey Aleynikov.
I've seen the CIA come knocking for everything from information on slant drilling in bad neighborhoods to that massive WMD project that the Great Man Made River was hiding... (thank Gawd Saddam never tried something as ambitious or we'd still be in Iraq and never have left after '91). Who knows what the CIA does with the info, but they do ask for it (and not necessarily politely).
So I don't see the magic black box as conclusive.
No newsletter or TA system no matter how sophisticated is going to be correct the vast majority of the time, and over time, since human analytics recognize patterns, evolve and adapt. So his attitude (particularly when coupled with his intentional ambiguity) really rubs me the wrong way.
yea... my favorite is when his model predicts what's going to happen in 2032. dude, like i can't even predict what's going to happen to me tomorrow.
Your opinions don't square up well with the facts of the case.
You sound like one of those dopes who gets all of his information from Wikipedia.
The above quote from Armstrong pretty much discredits the author of this article.
Really? Well, I guess we'll see, right? After all the guy is making a PREDICTION.
"THIS IS ZEROHEDGE....I MEAN CNN"
First your Al Rocker the weatherman now you're Wolf Bltizer??
Stick to what you know guys- pumping gold and silver to the enormous detriment of your readers. If they had followed your stupidity since 2009 they would missed the 2x in stocks and instead lost money on the non dividend paying rock.
Where exactly has Zero Hedge said to short the market? Oh you can't point anywhere to back your bullshit? Try harder next time idiot.
No, but the number of articles (guest or otherwise) predicting an imminent market collapse is a fraction of the bullish ones...
Bob Janujah (sp?) comes to mind as someone that would have wiped out anyone following his advice...
I won't argue that point, but a post by a contributor is a totally different animal then a recommendation by the Tyler's. There are very few trades that they have actually recommended, and if people had the no how to execute them, they would have made a decent profit.
I don't understand the arguments here at all. There are two groups involved: The pro-Russian group is obviously in favor of pipelines since Russia makes money off them so they will support the Russians. The second group is pro-European and they will support the pipelines since the Europeans receive positive benefits from them. No poliical group wants to shut them down.
The issue concerning the pipelines is how much benefit Ukraine will receive in terms of transit fees and reduced prices for gas its own uses. Obviously Ukraine wants to receive more benefits and Russia wants to pay fewer costs.
You are missing the most important THIRD group: the Ukrainian people who are fed up with their corrupt government and bureaucracy, which has been choking the life out of them for decades. not to mention almost a century of communism before that. these people snapped-- THAT'S how this all got started.
Now the politicians-- both local and global-- are scrambling to catch up and pick sides. It doesn't help that we have incompetent useless clods at the EU and the US Dept of State. Putin is the only competent actor and even he seems confused.
This is mostly plain, old fashioned chaos. Which should scare us even more than routine geopolitical machinations.
For anybody with friends and family in the region, especially the west, your first statement is absolutely correct.
The second I generally agree with.
And yes, this is the kind of chaos we will see more of, people better prepare for it or be destroyed utterly.
Why do the neocon American Jews and their paid for Langley shills hate Martin Armstrong so much?
Could have something to do with daring to speak the truth (or as close as anyone has ever gotten to it) about Edmond Saffra and his ilk, or certain Russian oligarchs (who happened to to pick Saturday as their sabbath) and who are BFF with certain groups that operate out of Langley.
All wars are resource wars. Been that way for about 70 years now.
I am on Russia's side on this one.
Be careful what you wish for.
He's just another idiot with a fondness for Russkiy spermy.
Here take a look cunt....This is the side your on.....
Cops beating the living fuck out of old people. Notice how they all speak Russian....
http://censor.net.ua/video_news/271606/jutkie_posledstviya_vcherashneyi_...
The Russian people aren't even on Putin's side and you would align yourslef with these criminals and cowards.
Watch the fucking video!!!!!! Cunt....
cunt is too delicious a word to be abused and squandered by a shill as obvious and tedious as yourself.
Alright, how about syphalitic cunt......as that still to delicous for ya.......
i'm not so sure you posted the video you intended, tuco.
those were concussive wounds; that was very likely the scene of a bombing (though not much in the way of shrapnel)...the police and first responders were tending to victims. i saw no police brutalizing the elderly. i can, however, share with you some stories about lil ole ladies, here in the good ole u-s of amorica, gettin plugged for the crime of sitting quietly on their rockers -- all in the name of the 'war on drugs'.
that's more what the boston bombing scene would'a looked like, had it been real.
i did, on the other hand, see some pussy whippin at sochi the other day...kinda kinky.
you're right, the russians, here in amorica, do dislike putin...but i suspect he ain't so reviled out east-ways.
Hmmmm... what ever happend to the people of Ukraine's side? That's who I am backing.
How doesn't one choose a side? To choose a side, one has to get accurate reporting. Honestly, is hard to shift through the bullshit propaganda from RT, CNN, BBC, FoxNews, and MSNBC.
Right now, I'm on the minding our own business side.
I back the 41% that say a pox on both the House of US/Germany and Russia.
I wonder what the US gub'mint would have done if a Putin Minister had handed out cookies to Occupy?
Eat here get gas.
For a nation ostensibly believing in and touting "democracy" for hateful enemy Muzz...
BiGGov Murka pays impotent lip service to Ukranian freedom.
Looks like Comrade Sir Vlad the B-A-D
will just have to go
Full Capitalist
And rent some pipeline time
The superpowers are a proxy of those who wish to control the money supply, with the winner pricing energy in their currency. Martin is off the mark on corruption, he can't see it's the board the whole chess game is built upon. What I think we are looking at is a race for countries to base money backed by gold (East) or energy (west). I think the west game is to use the military, subversion, dictators, bribery, etc. to lock up energy supplies and charge gold for it later. I think the east is looking to accumulate enough gold to go it alone before the collapse or at least feel safe when they "pull it". The entire game is built around controlling the money supply and having it backed by an asset at the reset point. I think both groups (and any new ones looking to emerge) have 800 year long term plans.
There's corruption, and then there's corruption. Our corruption happens on Wall Street or on K Street. In Ukraine it is a thoroughly pervasive part of everyday life.
How's that different from here? Corruption is a thoroughly pervasive part of everyday life everywhere. We all deal with MAD logic. Diffuse corruption is part of the modern world. You think Ukraine is worse than the American gulags?
It's a matter of people being overfed, fed, and digitally fed, that's all that keeps other places (here) from realising just how corrupt it is. The old Cold War psyops cliche that 'there is worse than here' is just that, a cliche, and a bad one.
Oh really? When was the last time you had to bribe a minor bureaucrat to get a passport, a visa, a drivers license, or some other piece of paperwork?
The Western ukranians have a long memory of Russian chauvanism. In some sense, this is residual blowback from Stalin and his collectivization in the '30s... The Ukranians are not going to stand for demonstrably corrupt Putin puppet in place. They look at the Poles and say, whatthefuck? Why can't we have that?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp-per-capita-ppp
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/poland/gdp-per-capita-ppp
Edit: Another way of looking at it is, the Ukranians only want a slice of "The Polish Dream". That should tell you how well the country functions...
another way of looking at it is something approaching the right way. Flak, you post some good stuff, but you know less about Ukraine than Satoshi411 knows about getting a coherent point across.
Quit trolling... You ain't very good at it...
okay, how about I just say you're dumb and ignorant, and cite as evidence your fucking posts, you twat?
How about that?
Just for you....
http://trololololololololololo.com/
That was hilarious!!! That's what I see when I go out in DC.
This is what the Nuland and the EU/IMF/NATO axis want for Ukraine, dummy:
Zeitgeist Addendum (HD) Part II - Economic HitmanThey are far better off with the far better deal the oil and gas rich Russians have offered them, and for the nth time, the Holdomor was simply the Ukrainian part of the same starvation and executions and deportations that happened all over Russia proper, by the Bolsheviks, who were largely Jewish and financed by their Jewish bretheren in London and NYC. It's not a conspiracy theory or canard, just an inconvenient truth. The Ukrainian oligrachs are largely Jewish even today, just as the Russian ones are.
Apart from trotsky and kaganovich, you might read about Sverdlov which is the tip of the iceberg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Sverdlov
When you deny this, it shows you don't know the history and simply want to look like a "good guy" - this isn't to excuse the right wing fucks in western ukraine now, not one bit, let's have some fucking nuance, but let's admit of the facts.
Organized Jewry has caused great suffering to the Ukrainian people. This doesn't mean "the Jews" or "all Jews" it meant Jewish people, organized, and acting against the non-Jewish majority, as happened, basically, in Russia.
If the Jews can use the holocaust to reject all criticism, then I don't see why the Ukrainians should have to apologize for rejecting Jewish economic and political dominance, which is what Nuland and the IMF represent, not what Putin represents.
Putin is largely hated precisely because he greatly reduced the power of the mostly Jewish oligarchs who stole Russia's wealth.
Some of them fled to Ukraine.
Ah...
What's a thread on the Ukraine and Russia without some thinly veiled anti-semitism...
And showing up on cue no less...
right, you're doing it again and will never stop. You can whitewash history, and you can call pointing out crimes committed by groups of people who are Jewish "antisemitic" {not Arabs though, right, Flak?} but that does not make it so.
1947-1949 War
While it is widely reported that the resulting war eventually included five Arab armies, less well known is the fact that throughout this war Zionist forces outnumbered all Arab and Palestinian combatants combined – often by a factor of two to three. Moreover, Arab armies did not invade Israel – virtually all battles were fought on land that was to have been the Palestinian state.
Finally, it is significant to note that Arab armies entered the conflict only after Zionist forces had committed 16 massacres, including the grisly massacre of over 100 men, women, and children at Deir Yassin. Future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, head of one of the Jewish terrorist groups, described this as “splendid,” and stated: “As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou has chosen us for conquest.” Zionist forces committed 33 massacres altogether.
By the end of the war, Israel had conquered 78 percent of Palestine; three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been made refugees; over 500 towns and villages had been obliterated; and a new map was drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock received a new, Hebrew name, as all vestiges of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. For decades Israel denied the existence of this population, former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir once saying: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/
....expulsions made "sacred" in the religious texts of the Jews, in Joshua and Deuteronomy, where the hatred and genocide and cheating of "the other" was deemed divine command, and where, "chosenness" isn't "racist" even though it sure seems like it?
THE CAUSES OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS JEWS: A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW
When someone claims that some statement or other is "hate" or "antisemitism" my first reaction now is "but, is there evidence that is is true, or not?"
I don't even think you are dumb enough to believe saying "the people who killed the Czar were mostly Jewish" is 'racist.'
What I think is you're enough of a cunt to cry, stamp your feet, and shout antisemite/hitler/nazi at anyone brave or just honest enough to recite the historical facts. Which is all I did.
You'd prefer no one know that Jewish people, i.e. some Jews, played a negative and outsized role in the Bolshevik coup, and for that matter the failed one about a decade earlier, and for that matter, one that failed in Garmany, and for that matter, the one in Hungary - with all its blood. And Poland. And yes, Fluke, Jews have far more moey and power than their numbers would ten to suggest. In the US, in the UK, in France, in Russia, and in Ukraine as well as dozens of other places... Belgium.. South Africa where they are 0.7% of the population and 25% of the top 100 richest people [think blood diamonds and apartheid helped fuel that, or were those things only part of it when it was one of the goyish millionaires?]
You want to distort and obfuscate history so that we never learn from it, so that the truth has to be whispered, and rumors of truth distorted into actual hate - violence and brutality and coercion and discriminatory laws. Things I hate more than you do.
But I also love the truth - the idea of it... the process of trying to get closer to it.
That requires a kind of unapologetic bluntness. Yes, Fluke, Jews did things as a group, due in part to their insularity, religious tenets and chauvanism that contributed to "anti-semitism" in not one, but dozens of lands, over hundreds of years. We don't blame the rape victim for being raped, and we don't say that her clothing caused it, but does this mean that the clothing might not have contributed to the end result? And if the rape is repeated over and over by different actors - might we begin to ask questions. And what if the analogy is not of a rape but of a beating...
Do the Palestinians deserve the beating hey are getting from the Grandchildren of people who left Poland and Germany in order to build an ethnarchy, the very ontology of which presupposed expulsions?
You see, many or most of the apologists for Israel's occupation likely actually believe that criticizing them for act a, b, or c, which even they would deem a crime were the roles reversed, is "anti-Semitic" not because it actually is, but because they think they are above criticism, chosen, and special, a perpetual and sacred victim, ordained by Yahweh, twice, to kill and expel people already living in land they wanted.
And this moral solipsism, this xenophobia is part and parcel of Judaism {not the DNA of Jewish peeps}. And it is why Israel's government paid rabbis can say outlandish, racist shit, and half the country will still turn out to weep.
You either support truthfulness, or you don't.
And you either support non-violence and justice for everyone - or you don't.
No one cares about your strawmen...
One can be critical of Isreali policies as I am, without being an Anti-semite. If someone calls someone Anti-Semetic it does not follow that they are pro-Zionist as you seem to believe. An example of yet another logical fallacy on your part...
Your true colors are coming out. I give you another month or two, tops, before Tyler cans your hate filled ass...
You are a hater, and haters gotta hate.. It is all they know...
And you really have to come up with something more original than calling me a cunt. Its starting to wear pretty thin...
Proxy war is what fallen super-powers (USA & Soviet Union) do best.
I hate all these Western References to GAS and Ukraine being a pawn between Europe and Russia... Could it be on the other hand that the USA is funding the Nationalistsin Ukraine to destabilize the Ukrainian Economy, subvert its culture from orthodoxy (all the protestors are catholics) and put Nato troops in Ukraine as part of the US imperial agenda to destroy Russia... and then cover this all up with proxy articles as this being over gas... Stop with the bullshit already. People in Ukraine see right through you.. no to Fascism, no to the US Imperial Agenda and NO TO THE WESTERN ELITE that worship the DEVIL. (aka all your central bankers) fuck off already.
this is an example of a post you should be able to both upvote and junk.
Shasha, did Yanukovych pay you again today for beating old men and women.
So Judas? Sell your people out for 30 pcs of silver....
Now go pray to your idols Yanukovych and Putin you Judas piece of shit....
You are the real Judas here...
you are the voice of integrity in this debate.
your affection for the ukraine is obvious and sincere.
you're one of the few making sense in this whole messy affair.
godspeed,
janus
Time for Russia to come to the assistance of Venezuela.
The U.S. and it's NATO partners smell Revolution in Ukraine. Putin "smells it" in Maduro Country!
Maybe a Venezuelan Missile Crisis
or
maybe a accident on an American Los Angelos class nuclear submarine.
or...
I'll just leave this here . . . http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/02/dealing-with-urban-armed-insur...
After looking at that map, I want to know just one thing...how many Mexicans are there in Odessa, Ukraine?
They just want the jobs that Ukrainians won't do, that's all!
News: Latest VIDEOS on Ukraine
also independent media:
http://tersee.com/#!q=ukraine&t=video