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Feds Withhold Water To California Farmers For First Time In 54 Years
The US Bureau of Reclamation released its first outlook of the year and finds insufficient stock is available in California to release irrigation water for farmers. This is the first time in the 54 year history of the State Water Project. "If it's not there, it's just not there," notes a Water Authority director adding that it's going to be tough to find enough water, but farmers are hit hardest as "they're all on pins and needles trying to figure out how they're going to get through this." Fields will go unplanted (supply lower mean food prices higher), or farmers will pay top dollar for water that's on the market (and those costs can only be passed on via higher food prices).
Via AP,
Federal officials announced Friday that many California farmers caught in the state's drought can expect to receive no irrigation water this year from a vast system of rivers, canals and reservoirs interlacing the state.
The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation released its first outlook of the year, saying that the agency will continue to monitor rain and snow fall, but the grim levels so far prove that the state is in the throes of one of its driest periods in recorded history.
Unless the year turns wet, many farmers can expect to receive no water from the federally run Central Valley Project.
... the state's snowpack is at 29 percent of average for this time of year.
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California officials who manage the State Water Project, the state's other major water system, have already said they won't be releasing any water for farmers, marking a first in its 54-year history.
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"They're all on pins and needles trying to figure out how they're going to get through this," Holman said, adding that Westland's 700 farmers will choose to leave fields unplanted, draw water from wells or pay top dollar for water that's on the market.
Farmers are hit hardest, but they're not alone. Contractors that provide cities with water can expect to receive half of their usual amount, the Bureau said, and wildlife refuges that need water flows in rivers to protect endangered fish will receive 40 percent of their contracted supply.
Contractors that provide farmers with water and hold historic agreements giving them senior rights will receive 40 percent of their normal supplies. Some contracts date back over a century and guarantee that farmers will receive at least 75 percent of their water.
One of those is the San Joaquin River Exchange Contractors Water Authority in Los Banos that provides irrigation for 240,000 acres of farmland.
The Water Authority's executive director Steve Chedester said farmers he serves understand that the reality of California's drought means it's going to be tough to find enough water for them. "They're taking a very practical approach," he said. "If it's not there, it's just not there."
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Burn Baby Burn...
Global warming will kill us all. Bitches.
What did you link have to do with anything? But you're right, Global Warming will kill us all. Not because it will get too hot for us humans, but it will get too hot for our habitat to grow food and native trees. We have 5-10 years to find another way to grow food or we are going to be in big trouble. We have 20 years to find other sources of fresh water or we'll be in worse trouble.
As we all know the American economy as well as California agriculture are in extremely dire straits these days with both at severe risk of drying up and dying. Here's a solution to both problems even a lawyer like Obama couldn't (probably) fuck up.
I call it the California Re-hydration And Crony Kickback pipeline... AKA CRACKpipe.
The Columbia river discharges an average of 7,500 cubic meters (or 6 acre feet) of water per second. The annual discharge would irrigate around 180,000,000 acres (around 300,000 square miles) with 3 feet of water and could yield crops worth over $200,000,000,000 annually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_River
All we need to do is construct an offshore pipeline that travels on the bottom of the ocean to California for less than a couple of trillion dollars including graft and corruption charges and hope that Obamas economic advisors don't decide that 180,000 18 hole golf courses yield a higher rate of return...
So, will they keep turning water to ethanol?
No... but only because Jesus has a patent on that particular technology and his lawyers are threatening legal action.
Did I mention that as a bonus Los Angeles will receive free fresh salmon deliveries each fall?
no h2o for that $10K per acre scrubland? i can hear the bankers howl over the coyotes...
This is making me thirsty. However, anything from Fuki Cali will not be on my plate whether it's a veggie or fish.
Agenda 21. Ahead of schedule.
Time to have the ministry of mental masturbation and snowpack analysis and start calculating how much runoff we will get from all of these heavy snows and determine how much each resevoir gets. Something tells me the Colorado is gonna run like it hasn't in years. Hopefully them fellers down in Texas will get some of it, they got some resevoirs that need a fillin.
No the comment did not directly address the californians drought. Out of our 1300 federal agencies which six are determining the runoff from snowpack?
"...the Colorado is gonna..." if you mean the Colorado River, it will drain into the Gulf of California just like always. Texas isn't getting anything from the Colorado River.
The Colorado River's real name is the Grand. So, perhaps his has mistaken the Rio Grande for the real Grand? Easy to do...
<sarc>
The Colorado River no longer makes it to the Gulf of California. It hasn't in about 50 years. It turns into a waddi just below the Mexican Border where the Mexican Farmers use it to grow vegtables that you used to buy from California but can no longer because it is barely legal to run a business in California, with or without water.
Where I am it is very full right now and definately headed higher but everyone downstream is below quota so not much will get to Mexifornia.
Agenda 21 - ok but one other thing, even Monsanto's super corn can't grow without water so they've f***ed themselves
Forget it Jake, it’s Chinatown...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cWnubJ9CEw
Water Privatization in Bolivia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzqUckFT6PM
Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California
Most of the “the golden state” is now parched, baked and dried far beyond any historical precedent. Reservoirs are nearly empty, streams are drying up, and forests are dying by the day. Catastrophic fires will also continue to decimate California due to the engineered drought.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/engineered-drought-catastrophe-target...
Drought Tolerant Corn from Monsanto and BASF!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOihCkyRnhw
Yeah Science!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aw4m5sPMQU
(with a bonus vax advert?!!)
Grow the shit in Florida. It's not like you can't bulldoze a few thousand swamp housing units for land.
>> Grow the shit in Florida.
Most of the viable farm land in Florida is already under cultivation. It takes more than water to grow crops. For the most part Florida is a sandy and inhospitable to vegetable and fruit crops.
Raised garden beds, rain barrels, and chickens Bitchez!
While I wholeheartedly agree, and plan on implementing that strategy (minus the chickens) in my next place, that will hardly replace what is going to be lost to drought in Cali.
Guess it depends on which part of the state. Palm, Hibiscus, and Star Islands, across from the cruise port in Miami, were built in the 20's by driving piles in Biscayne Bay,filling with rip-rap, and topping off with Everglades black muck. There isn't much you can't grow there.
Thank God there's enough for the Palm Springs golf courses. Otherwise Obama would have to go somewhere else...
FORWARD YOU ASS NAPKIN, OBAMA!
They were the morons that thought it would be a good idea to try and grow things in the desert using dirt farming.
@Porfessorlocknload
Or Hay to sell to China BBC opens in new window
California drought: Why farmers are 'exporting water' to Chinasnip
During California's worst drought on record, some farmers are using precious water to grow hay that is then shipped to China
While historic winter storms have battered much of the US, California is suffering its worst drought on record. So why is America's most valuable farming state using billions of gallons of water to grow hay - specifically alfalfa - which is then shipped to China?
Well tomatoes will be $5 each, but the delta smelt will be jamming.
Yep, makes sense.
Of course, farming a desert isn't really a smart thing either.
I wonder how many of these endangered animals are genomically identical to other non-threatened species? Like the "Florida" panther.
pods
"Of course, farming a desert isn't really a smart thing either."
DING!!!
Yea, well farming a fucking desert did work for some time.
Now it doesnr seem to work so well.
Rinse water can be used for wash water.
Just saying
You know its funny when you think about it...there is a very good chance we've all drank the same water that Caesar pissed out at some point.
Course, the Romans spent vast amounts of other peoples money & used slave labor building aqueducts too, so there's always that ;-)
But there Feds say there is still water available for the delta smelt? WTF?
The fish have a PAC...
Need I say more?
Species on this planet come and go. The last ice age saw off a lot, and 10k years go is nothing.
He who smelt it Delta it. /snicker
+1
The central valley is incredibly productive if you retain and use the water that used to just flow on by. It used to produce an astonishing volume of crops that needed minimal water along with large irrigated fields. Now the Central Valley is a wasteland of illegal Mexican Nationals fighting for foodstamps and Obamacare while Federal tyrants in training harrass the land owners to make them stop producing food and tax revenue.
On the bright side there, they'll have a $100 Billion bullet train between Modesto and Fresno soon though, paid for by the rest of the Nation. Nobody will ever ride it but they still have that going for them!
Makes me wonder if this is a blessing in disguise due to all the particles coming over from Japan, poisoned food is not so yummy.
Farming in the California desert was fine until global climate change killed it. But that's alright because there are trillions of dollars still to be made by the fossil fuel industry. Who gives a fuck if billions of people around the globe starve so long as a few oligarchs get richer? Certainly not the many here who have fallen for our fossil fuel industry's propaganda.
Are you some kind of anti-ecology terrorist? Water vapor is EIGHT times worse than CO2 as a green house gas and you are proposing to put that much water onto parched farmland? Where do you think it will go? Those environment killing plants (probably GMO plants at that) will drink it up then transpire it into the atmosphere. Have you seen the graphs showing the correlation between humidity and heat retention? Think about what it feels like in a jungle at night. They don't get cold like a desert does., do they? What you are talking about will heat up the earth more than all the coal fired power plants in China. Less soot, it's true, but I'm talking about global warming here not some "clean air utopia". You should be ashamed for proposing such an idea.
By God you're right!
It sounds to me like we need to place a tax on water vapor instead of CO2 then... and here I was thinking that the primary opposition to the CRACKpipe was from a CRACKpipe crack that could contaminate or kill all life in the ocean from the massive fresh water discharge... ;)
Don't be absurd. We need to place a tax on both until we eliminate the scourge of water and
carbon dioxide from the earth once and for all. Now I fixed it for you.
That's not a very plant friendly policy but climate scientists insist it's worth a try.
But we should first double global climate model funds to $60 billion per year just to make sure...
When It Rains, It Pours Tax Dollars In Maryland
"Maryland, for example, has had 40 new taxes signed into law by Gov. O’Malley since he took office in 2007. The most oppressive of those taxes is the one being levied on rain."
"This tax is an annual fee on impervious surfaces such as roofs, driveways, sidewalks, garages, and any other surface that could create drainage problems and water contamination situated on property owned by an individual or a business. However, the tax is not applied to every city or county in the state."
"And of course no tax hike would be complete without government agencies, such as the Department of Navy, that own land with impervious surfaces resisting and declining to pay the newly enacted law."
Good fucking god...
The lunatics are running the asylum and I own a couple hundred acres of granite outcroppings...
Granite makes for decent fortifications. Just sayin'
And don't forget tombstones.
Good fucking god...what moron believes that bullshit is true?
Oh thank god. I was afraid I'd have to stop clear cutting my Brazilian forest holdings.
If you check you will find this is part of a normal weather cycle. We had a similar drought during the late 1940's through the early 1960's. The last 50 years or so have been very wet for California. That is when most of this agri business development sprang to life. Prior to the '40s the farms were smaller and managed local water much more effeciently (because they had too to get crops out of the environment). If this natural drought cycle continues you will probably see one of two possible scenarios:
Either, the big corporate farms break down into smaller more effecient farms growing crops that are better suited to arid environments.
Or,
Perhaps, allot of land will go fallow and allot of TBTF corporate Agri lobby farmers will get "disaster relief" from the US taxpayer via the magic digital money machines. In this scenario, GMO plants that need even less water will arrive on the scene. They'll be really cheap to produce but they'll make your kids sick as dogs.
We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
How is geo-engineering effecting global warming and do they account for weather modification in their climate models?
I believe that people do have an influence on weather but just not how they are selling it to everyone.
"Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink" (or grow shit)!!!
America is heading for a Shakespearen climax, just like during the housing crisis in CA when every gangsta, drop out, and schmuck on the street was a mortgage broker, NOW every lawyer, doctor, and wanna be stock broker/schmuck is a farmer, buying (with borrowed money) irrigated ground for $20,000-$30,000 an acre and planting almonds and other tree crops for another $10,000 an acre, and everyone is going to get rich!!!
The shit is unreal, and could before it's over, be 10x worse then the housing bubble!!
Renewable Life: The shit is unreal, and could before it's over, be 10x worse then the housing bubble!!
NO, it is 10x worse THAN the housing bubble.
so in all seriousness i started fiddiling with numbers here.
a half meter thick sidewall, 56 meter diameter pipe would require 105 million cubic meters of cement, the grand coulee dam used 9.1, to push that water 750 miles.
you would need somewhere between 100 and 200 psi to push the entire river down that pipe and that would consume 4-10GW of electricity.
No problem, once the bullet train from Los Angeles to San Francisco is finished, we'll get started on the CRACKpipe, aka Keystone XXXL.
70 to 100 meter diameter at 1 to 2m/s flow rate. It could work of course fresh water is lighter than salt so it may want to float. Thinking steel vs. concrete or perhaps a kevlar or Sheerfill like fabric creating a pressurized tube?
And use a high head on the Columbia to kickstart with onshore/offshore wind power to pump the water like the Dutch...
If fresh produce where grown instead of corn you could multiply that $200B annual gross by a factor of 10.
America could become the global Saudi Arabia of food with lots of jobs for the Mexicans...
Mother of all pork! Solar Project!!!!
Where's Rachel Maddow when you need her? Where's Augustus when you need him?
Too bad they're more interested in tearing dams down.
This California Company is the largest cotton and tomato farmer in the world. They own massive underground water rights. More than they need to farm. May be one of the few survivors.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BWEL
Story of founder:
http://www.amazon.com/The-King-Of-California-American/dp/1586482815
Trades on the pink sheets. Word is getting out.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BWEL+Basic+Chart
Due diligence is hard work.
We'll have to nationalize that bitch...
;-)
The free solar-powered water distillation desalination plant, a.k.a the sun, still operates 24/7/365. I wonder where it puts all the produce these days?
Any idiot can sign a piece of paper that puts people on rations. I wonder what happened to all the people who had knowledge, skills and real ideas. In the meantime, I guess we'll just have to stick with rations. Do your folks pay people to have babies? Hows the immigration thing over there? "Yes, we need more people - oh noees! We have no water! What a surprise ..."
If only you were willing to live in poverty for a few years while taking on bucket loads of debt, one day you could solve the water problems of the world ... as long as you do all your own R&D and pay for it all out of your own pocket ... don't worry, once the price of water gets high enough it will cover all the repayments on all of your debt ...
Technically, the sun is only available, on average, for 12 hrs/day globally.
>> the sun is only available, on average
And let's not forget it's efficiency is severely reduced during dawn and dusk. In reality we only get peak sun for about four hours a day. There-in lies the problem. Even the sun has the producers and the FSA. Four hours of peak productivity out of 24? No wonder we're fucked.
Which means either we should realize solar powered anything is a joke, or be willing to accept more global warming.
can't have your cake and eat it too.
Plants are solar powered. And a lot of chemical reactions wouldn't happen without at least a bit of help from the sun, you know, to get things up to room temperature ...
LOL! Now you're just gettin' downright picky!
I stand by my assertion that for 24 hours per day, a tiny dot, somewhere on the earth's surface, is experiencing sun's rays at an angle within half a degree of orthogonal ...
I further assert that, as long as those sunrays are heating water above freezing point, some of that water is being evaporated and thus at least partially distilled ...
A Nanny Moose: Yes, I did ponder whether to say "12 hours per day" or "24 hours per day but only one hemisphere at a time". In the end, I decided to sacrifice accuracy for brevity, hoping people would still recognize the greater point to the story.
:o)
Either way, it is still doing what it has always done. It's not like it suddenly shut down over the last 100 years.
Let me see if I got this right:
The feds run California's water supply?
Anyone find that strange?
FTF
They put dams on all the rivers with Federal funds creating reserviors by flooding land purchased with Federal funds and they sell the water under cost by subsidizing it with Federal funds. Something in there gives them the right to run at least part of the water supply.
Federal funds were used?
No, money provided by taxpayers was used!
Taxes are like bank deposits. Once you put your money in, you have no say in how they are spent.
Fair enough. Now change your post and sub in the word "air" in each spot you typed water.
We've allowed the state and corporations to seize control of water supplies in the same way central banks have seized control of the money supply. Do you see a pattern here?
The word 'jobs' could easily be subbed in as well.
How long will it be before we have to pay for clean air?
Not the best link but start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_bar
Think about all the smog in China. I was going to try and put two and two together but it looks like it'll take me too long.
Notice how now everyone sells bottled water, there seems to be a lack of public water fountains?
Evidence please?
Breaking news - Ireland starts exporting excess rainwater to Californian farmers.
Could happen, Should happen.
Clueless. No warming in 15 years. solar activity should be peaking but nothing. You do realize the sun is still the source of almost every btu of heat on earth right? You do realize CO2 is an essential ingredient for most plants, right? You do realize the purpose of greenhouses (real ones) right? Do you know how they work?
California was a desert. It was a desert LONG before the invention of the internal combustion engine. The Sahara started forming 7000 years ago.
Climate change my ass. Normal changes.
We'll go back to farming, Greenland, or Mexico.
It all works out in the end. We'll adapt.
The comment above is filled with more lies and outright stupidity that any thing I have ever read.
"No warming in 15 years" is an outright lie. The Sun being the source of heat for this planet-----a retarded Bumble Bee knows this already.
Carbon being an essential ingredient for plants? Who fucking cares? Water is essential too you fucking idiot. However, people and plants can die from either too much or too little.
Normal? No, the climate, because we have dramatically increases the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, is changing more rapidly that usual. This rapid change will lead to severe problems for life on this planet because the changes are occurring too rapidly for many species to adapt. When the plants we eat can no longer feed us because of climate change, billions of people will die.
If people are too fucking to see through the fossil fuel industry's propaganda, like the author of the full retard post above, we are truly fucked.
Well, I guess you should try reading something other than children's books and the onion. Complete tool.
Hey, you fucking idiot, was the climate and the CO2 level the same, say 2 billion years ago when life and biodiversity STARTED.
utter fucking moron
Plants on this planet are actually CO2 STARVED. Imbecile.
Blah blah blah al Gore said the same stuff when he got on the human caused global warming train back in the 90s. For the amount of temperature data we have recorded its only a sliver of time compared to the age of this planet- which is billions of years. The fossil records show wide variances in temperatures and weather. The planet is in a constant state of change. The sun has more to do with global warming and cooling.
Welcome to Camp FEMA. Every day a festival, every meal a feast. What'll it be citizen, GMO stew or government cheese plate?
I want me some peanut butter sammiches.
People won't starve in the California desert because of the sand which is there.
live in state with more water than any, my worry is that my fruit trees that are 3 yrs and younger survived this hard winter, gota get the roots below the frost line. in the first few yrs
"Global warming will kill us all. Bitches."
Why don't you get a life, poop head.
For you, global warming hysterics, the cause of every problem is "global warming".
Pray that there is no "global cooling" because that will really kill a lot of people.
Can't you just stick with ONE moniker and avatar?
StychoKiller: Here's a list of the posters (by my count) who keep spamming that fucking Angry Sinner blog bullshit. I recall at one time there was an actual Angry Sinner poster but he/it was punted by the Tylers long ago. Now they keep generating new names and post multiple comments on each thread using these various names. Here's the list by my count:
orez65 (over 2 years old)!
The Dunce
The Vineyard
Mister Kitty
No idea why they spend so much time pumping that piece of shit blog. Check it out some day to see how fucking stupid and worthless it is.
No it won't. I sent money on all of our behalves to Al "Green Alright" Gore. He'll use it to wisely and judiciously save us from the big bad sun.
"Like a raisin, or almond, in the sun."
Vineyard....... It looks like they are killing the messenger with all those down arrows you are getting. I know of one way to do something about Global warming. Flood some of the worlds deserts (Death Valley) and let the sun do the work. The added clouds would reflect some of the
suns rays, and bring added rain. This is reversible buy not adding more sea water the the lakes.
Of course it would make work for our workers, and TPTB would never hear of it.
in the mornin you go gunning for the man who stole your water
and you fire til he is done in
but they catch you at the border
i thought we'd been over the global warming nonsense aspect of this with the article the other day
"Burn Baby Burn..."
What? Why all the down arrows? That's funny -- I think Flakmeister's saying that some disaster capitalist is gonna make money off this: Enron "burn baby burn" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElalLKN754Q
It can be taken many ways...
Fuck Kalifornia. Seriously just fuck em. And I have family living there. The faster that state implodes the better.
We implode, the rest you fuckers starve.
Let 'em starve in the damp.
Your green shitll be costing more than your fuel and healthcare put together.
And I'll still get day fresh at the local farmers market.
Don't wish for what, etc
If we go you shave off a GDP bigger than Russia's...and our 49 cosigners assume the debt...united we stand, together we fall
Hmmm, I have the same sentiment about Massachusetts. Can we get a pac going to do that to all of the commie states that deserve it?
There is now doubt that you mother is a supporter of planned parenthood. Why in the fuck your brain was not sucked out prior to your birth is proof that liberals are words having no relationship to deeds.
FYI Climate facists are people who admire the success of National Socialists who are advocates of Zionism.
And without those Canals and dikes and dams what did California look like before? It was desert and foothills and moutains with areas suitable for farming. The Southwest was desert until we remade it and without water it will go back to a full desert.
Shoot-this is Obama flipping off Pelosi for opposing the Emperor's Pacific Trade initiative
Could this be the black swan? Food prices rapidly rise, causing people to buy food hand over fist out of fears that its price will rise even higher, then BOOM! All of that QE liquidity finally comes out of the woodwork and fucks us?
1+ Was thinking the same thing. To much cash (liquidity) following after too few goods (food).
Good bye U.S. of A. Hello Wiemar.
The nice thing for those who can produce their own necessities is that they'd have plenty of cash to pay off their mortgages, credit cards, etc... I'd love to watch somebody paying of a $250,000.00 mortgage say "Got change for a $50,000,000.00?"
Zimbabwe bitchez!
http://www.swampyacresfarm.com/wordpress/lesson-zimbabwe-print-economic-...
I don't think it would be the "buying" so much (since that requires money in the first place) as the prospect of EBT/SS recipients turning into Zombies when then can no longer afford to feed on taxpayer handouts based on statistical manipulations of the cost of living and the value of a USD.
They don't eat greens. Cept maybe some collards that are easily grown in the southeast
I think we have an entire flock of black swans circling; just waiting for one of the damn things to land. But yeah, an increase in food prices would definitely be a deal breaker.
Circling, or hanging loose?
Just to put this in perspective; you need approx. 27,154 gallons of water / acre for every inch of water on that acre.
Tomatoes require 25 inches per season, alfalfa 55 and grains about 16.
One acre-inch 1 acre-inch = 27,154.285 gallons [US, liquid]
Seasonal ET of tomatoes = 25 inches of water = 25 acre- inches per acre = 679,000 gallons of water per acre. 160 acre tomato field: ET of tomatoes = 160 acres x 679,000 gallons per acre =
108,640,000 gallons of water per year.
Seasonal ET of alfalfa = 55 inches of water = 55 acre-inches per acre = 1,493,800 gallons
per acre. 160 acres: ET = 160 acres x 1,493,800 gallons per acre = 239,008,000 gallons of water per year.
Seasonal ET of wheat = 16 inches of water = 16 acre-inches per acre = 434,500 gallons per acre.
160 acres: ET = 160 acres x 434,500 gallons per acre = 69,500,000 gallons of water per year.
http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/shared/edusafety/training/pec/water/blaine-hanson_water_forum_complete.pdf
That is assuming 100% efficiency
Well I'm sure there's no evaporation in a desert.
In Colorado we figure about 40% loss of water due to evaporazition-mostly due to open ditches and watlands. It would seem that it would behoove the public to encase this running water in either plastic pipe or some manner of cover. What it is in California must be even higher than 40 %. Of course this might mean we would have to curtail Drones, NSA and other assorted toys our bankers and military are constantly demanding so as to protect us from some baddies with box cutters.
Gawd, I hate these bastards who are so stupid as to think they can totally fuck up everything and still have a home on this planet they are destroying and everyone left will forgive and forget; assuming anyone survives, including our little pets from the middle east. Milestones
desalination bitchez
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/solar-power-california-w...
Wouldn't help the farmers with a projected 4x the cost to get current water.
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Preferences?
Honestly who in the hell would choose a tranvestite when we all can find a regular girl who will swallow without conplaining?
Although most of the trannys I have had relationships are such proteins whores they make real girls look normal.
No that being unnormal is wrong or anything like that!
Thanks for your candor... however you could have left things after the first sentence.
Now I'm going to have difficulty erasing those images before I get to sleep...
In Israel they have 4 desalination projects come up the next 24 months and when up and running over 50% of their fresh water will come from the sea...they are even planning to sell fresh water to Jordan and expand agriculture in the Negev desert to the south.
California could do the same....the last I heard the State is still located next to the ocean-right?.......
How 'bout we simply stop with the whole HAARP, chemtrail, geo-engineering, and weather war claptrap?
desalination won't happen, the pacific is tainted now... good luck with tritium, etc.
Some promising technology being developed.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/524606/new-desalination-technique-a...
Electrodialysis has the potential to desalinate seawater quickly and cheaply but does not remove other contaminants such as dirt and bacteria. Now chemical engineers have worked out how to do that too.
"In Israel they have 4 desalination projects come up the next 24 months and when up and running over 50% of their fresh water will come from the sea"
De sal requires energy.
http://www.watersecure.com.au/pub/what-we-do/desalination-and-energy
Isrealis just discovered a bunch of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field
Grand Cayman in the Cayman Islands has been on 100% reverse osmosis water plants for years.
Solar Power for DeSal????
Not even in KSA. (which is a significant reason why oil is $100/barrel, as opposed to their relatively miniscule local demand for air conditioning)
Nukes are required for large scale.
Oh hell, now you've gone and done it.
You've completely obliterated the cost benefit analysis of eco-tards everywhere living where it has never rained much ;-)
I didn't even read the article before writing that, then I did, and the article agreed with me.
A decade ago the best combined cycle gas plants could process brackish water at under $0.20/m3. With all the advancements in technology and .gov subsidies the eco shills have managed to get the CA solar price to $1.5-$2/m3. PROGRESS!
With the way agriculture is done in CA, that would only raise the cost of lettuce to $10 or $15 per head or so. California is not Israhole.
Meanwhile the Saudis are burning $30 million per day in pure oil profit to make toilet & tap water.
It is fortunate that California has easy access to water along its shore for cooling nuclear reactors. It is equally unfortunate that the San Andreas fault dominates the coastline.
Some areas weren't meant for habitation by people more concerned with their perm not getting wet, than simple survival.
When a hurricane comes rolling through here, it won't be me screaming someone please come help. Life and where one lives is about choices, choose to live where there is no water, there will be trade offs and consequences.
>> When a hurricane comes rolling through here,
I sold all my coastal real estate and moved decidedly inland due to the hurricane thing. I'm now giving serious consideration to moving not only back to the coast, but actually buying waterfront. The difference being this time I will buy a cheap old mobile home. I always self insure now. If a hurricane comes through and cleans my property, I'm only out a cheap old mobile home. There is just something about having a snook on the end of a line that is drawing me back and I can't seem to resist.
I thought solar power was nuclear ... fusion!
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Just bein' a bit silly.
But as I asked a minute ago, where does the sun put all that water these days? Should we move there?
Fukushima is a bit closer than the sun, and I hear they have tons of water they can't even give away (particularly since what the process described in the article is distillation, not desalination, but I guess that distinction isn't important to an "eco-scientist" seeking $$$ or a "journalist" seeking click revenue)
It's not just Califonia...the weather is freaking out around the entire globe.
Either humanity is to blame or nothing out of the ordinary is happening at all. This is the framed debate. So stick to it please. Your post is confusing.
Not here in North Wales, UK, thank you! Been a bog-standard winter here, thank you very much. A little milder than most, if anything. Has rained some (good for my early crops) and thrown out a few nice days.
Has a good way to go to catch up to the days of my youth, though. Every summer was warm (ok, it's the UK, so 'warm-ish!'), every winter was wet and shitty!
'Climate Change' is a pile of shit! What we have is 'Weather Change'. This happens! So stop believing in those the arrogate themselves far enough to believe that the human race (which would fit into the state of Texas with over an ACRE each) are doing anything significant.
"97 of climate change Scientists Believe!" my arse! It's easy to find whores... you just offer money!!!!!!!!
So what is your theory about the ice ages?
Was that just "weather"?
Technically, hasn't the earth been warming since the ice age? If the change is manmade, how does one explain the MWP and LIA which preceeded industrialization. Just ....... weather?
Global warming scientists solved the pesky Medieval Warm Period problem years ago...
The MWP can be simply explained by excessive atmospheric methane concentrations from the increasing flatulence arising from the growing home/hovel brewing industry.
You are using the term "scientist" very loosely.
Very very loosely...
LOL - yep. Though while it was warm, wine probably would have been the adult beverage of choice. Once the LIA kicked in then it was brewski's.
Sorry, you are just wrong...
Technically that warming stopped about ~7000 years ago and we started cooling at about 0.1 degree every 1000 years in line with models and known climatic forcings...
http://www.realclimate.org/images//Marcott.png
taken from
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198.abstract
As for a more fine grained reconstruction of the past 2000 years, here is the very recent PAGES2K result
http://skepticalscience.com//pics/Ahmed_2013_paleo_fig4.jpg
taken from
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/abs/ngeo1797.html
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Still going to cling to your bullshit?
You mean the 1970's cooling that followed the 1930's peaks which according to official NOAA records was the warmest decade in the US before Professional Climate Scientists adjusted the historic temperatures down?
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/spencer_ushcnv2_july-...
Much like the folks 'clinging to their guns and religion', ol' flakey clings to his psuedo science like grim death. It is kinda like a religion though when you think about it.
Precisely the same exacting standards of corroborating evidence are required for both...
Basically none.
Given that you are one clinging to demonstrably disproven ideas, the irony is palpable...
And yes, your behavior and claims does suggest you are in some kind of faith based denial...
Fuck if the Kochs could drop $10 million to fund a credible study to show AGW was wrong, they would have a long time ago...
And if you can't see that as a screaming tell, you are no better than a creationist arguing that the world is 6000 years old...
Hey Zero, the US is only 3% of the planet surface... Now just who is doing psuedo science?
Furthermore, Anthony Watts is your go to guy? Really?
Alright Flakmeister...
Explain this...
Here's the National Geographic 1976 global temperature graph
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/DSCN1557-nat-geog-1976_1200x900...
Here's the NOAA graph from Newsweek magazine back in 1973 during the global cooling scare.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/gorebot/Newsweak.jpg
Notice the historical GLOBAL temperature record back then?
See the 1940's? Kinda high right?
THAT WAS THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE RECORD before your whacknut friends decided they didn't like the complex story it told requiring Mann & Co. to create his simple hockeystick graph (since retracted by the IPCC) to take care of those awkward spikes and valleys to sell the clearly defective Catastrophic Anhropogenic Global Warming message.
And of course never forget those famous words... "We have to get rid of the MWP"
Enjoy!
Are you that easily fooled by two different aspect ratios?
Do you even look at the scales and what is being plotted?
One has 1880 defined as 0 with ~1940 at 0.9 degrees F
the other has 1880 at ~59 degrees F and 1940 at roughly 60.0 degrees F
Its the same fucking thing...
You ain't much of a skeptic of you cannot even look at and understand the data you claim to support your cause...
For comparison from this up to date GISS plot (land data only to be consistent)
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.gif
The change from 1880 to 1940 is ~0.5 degrees C or ~0.9 F
All in agreement...
The current difference from 1880 is 1.2 degrees C or 2.2 degrees F...
That blows away 1940....
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So please take your psuedo-science bullshit elsewere... it fools no one with the competence to know better...
Look at a chart with more 0000s like thousands of years.
And what exactly is your point? Here is 800,000 years...
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html
The real fun starts about 2 minutes in...
You're not really saying the drought in southern California is linked to the hot/cold/dry/wet/calm/windy hysterics of manmade global warming propagandists are you?
Come on mang, man built that complex of reservoirs & canals for a reason in that area of California.
Because its dry.
And going to get a whole lot dryer in all likelihood...
But Texas is going to get burned to a crisp...It will be be Biblical in scope which is deliciously ironic....
its called electromagnetism and the sun, moron. but go ahead, keep believing GCM models are gong to explain it.
Hey Mitzi?
Did you just duck the question like a chicken shit? Running away because you really don't what the fuck you are talking about?