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Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

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"If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war," warns a senior Russian government official. The FT reports Russia is prepared to fight a war over the Ukrainian territory of Crimea (where the largest ethnic Russian population lives and they have a military base). Conjuring images of the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia, the official told the FT, "they will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia." The Kremlin regards the Georgian conflict as the biggest stand-off between Russia and the west since the end of the Cold War and it has fed determination in Moscow to push back against what it believes to be western attempts to contain Russia.

 

 

Via The FT,

If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war,” the official said. “They will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia.” In August 2008, Russian troops invaded Georgia after the Georgian military launched a surprise attack on the separatist region of South Ossetia in an effort to establish its dominance over the republic.

 

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The brief conflict with Georgia pitted Russia indirectly against the US and Nato, which had earlier tried to put Georgia on a path to Nato membership. The Kremlin regards the Georgian conflict as the biggest stand-off between Russia and the west since the end of the Cold War and it has fed determination in Moscow to push back against what it believes to be western attempts to contain Russia.

 

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The warning of a similar scenario comes because Ukraine’s civil conflict has fanned tension in Crimea. On the peninsula, located on the northern coast of the Black Sea where Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is stationed, ethnic Russians make up almost 60 per cent of the population, with Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars accounting for the rest.

 

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Volodymyr Konstantinov, speaker of Crimea’s parliament, said on Thursday that the region might try to secede from Ukraine if the country split. “It is possible, if the country breaks apart,” he told the Russian news agency Interfax. “And everything is moving towards that.” Russian media also quoted him as saying Crimeans might turn to Russia for protection.

 

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The Kremlin has been eager to stress that it is not interfering in Ukraine. ...

 

However, many government officials say in private that Ukraine falls inside Russia’s sphere of influence. “We will not allow Europe and the US to take Ukraine from us. The states of the former Soviet Union, we are one family,” said a foreign policy official. “They think Russia is still as weak as in the early 1990s but we are not.”

So while some suggest the "agreement" today is great news, we suspect it solves absolutely nothing as the corruption at the core remains and the push-pull of East-West tensions remains as the only thing that matters - it sadly appears - is who controls the pipelines.

 

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Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:10 | 4461509 LawsofPhysics
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Coming soon to a western "Union" near you...

 

same as it ever was...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:14 | 4461524 TeamDepends
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It's always about that damned spice, and making it flow...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:21 | 4461564 RSloane
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I'm getting Ukrained out here. I'll just read what the rest of you have to say.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4461574 Cult_of_Reason
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And Russian oligarchs that control Putin (after witnessing what sanctions did to Ukrainian oligarchs) said Russia cannot afford to "fight over Ukraine."

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:28 | 4461616 magpie
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Yes, they are Poland's and Germany's problem now. Enjoy.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4461624 johnQpublic
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but are they drawing a red line?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:33 | 4461644 magpie
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Well, they still pretend to believe in peace. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:33 | 4461873 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Cult_of_Reason", anyone ever point out the irony of your name?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 22:41 | 4464091 matrix2012
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There's no irony... "Cunt_of_Reason" is just collecting down arrows at ZH, (s)he loves Red color (assuming it's human not the agency's robo)

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4461575 Cult_of_Reason
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And Russian oligarchs that control Putin (after witnessing what sanctions did to Ukrainian oligarchs) said Russia cannot afford to "fight over Ukraine."

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:23 | 4461834 max2205
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And so now we know why the govt agencies have bought those 4 billion bullets...got it

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:33 | 4461884 Truthseeker2
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Russia knows exactly what us at stake!

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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=3733

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"What Walesa is really trying to say is that the EU stands to make that much money by controlling the Ukraine markets, natural resources, export/import channels, transportation network, oil and gas conduits, and political apparatus once they join the European Union. These are, after all, the immediate and stated goals of the EU representatives who have weighed in on the matter. And they are determined not to let Russia interfere with their plans, no matter what the level of chaos or death toll required to attain it."


Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:26 | 4461603 kito
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rsloane, dont worry about the static. you need to wait for the real authorities, faber, black and snyder, to give us real guidance on ukraine

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:55 | 4461740 RSloane
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Fonz posted this earlier in another Ukraine thread. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-19/franklin-templeton-lifts-ukraine-bet-by-over-250-million.html

There's a lot of foreign capital sitting in Kiev right now. Debt will be serviced one way or another.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:42 | 4461919 LMAOLORI
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"I'm getting Ukrained out here. I'll just read what the rest of you have to say."


Ok we can talk about something else how about this?

 

Obama may escalate role in Syrian war

peace prize roflmao

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:10 | 4465448 Dave
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Was there ever some doubt?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4461576 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4461598 pods
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Gonna warp the barrel firing that fast!

pods

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:27 | 4461604 Dr. Engali
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WTF? Once is enough.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:32 | 4461640 kliguy38
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no chit

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:38 | 4461667 El Tuco
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Yeah, they couldn't take 4000 chechens and then they invaded Giorgia and fought a bunch of farmers. Anyone who thinks Russia has a 1st world army is retarded. It's all conscripts that don't want to be there.

America wouldn't even break a sweat taking Russia on....not that I would want this because it would just bring more suffuring to the Russian people over the fucktard Putin.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:53 | 4461732 Bastiat
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Apparently Russian missles work as we really on them to get to the ISS.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:01 | 4461758 Son of Captain Nemo
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I know Tucus

It's pictures like this of our armed forces along with the torture pictures from Abu Ghraib that demands the respect from the rest of the World!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562482/We-fun-funeral-Soldier-suspended-picture-Honor-Guard-fooling-flag-draped-coffin-online-derogatory-comments.html
Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:45 | 4462164 IReallyDontCare
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Yea clearly you didn't get the memo about Afganistan,or perhaps you actually believe your mighty army has brought peace and security to the Afgan people.

There is little point in winning the war if you can't win the peace.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 15:05 | 4462698 Pure Evil
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Sadly its all about logistics and whose troops and mechanized divisions are already lined up to provide support to the suffering Ukrainians.

I guess NATO currently has enough divisions lined up in Poland to invade, ahem, liberate Ukraine and provide that much needed military support.

To the swift goes the race.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:19 | 4465497 Dave
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You don't know squat about the anybody's military. Look how well we did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. So shut up about it.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:08 | 4461777 mickeyman
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Are the Saudis involved here too?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 20:16 | 4466547 indygo55
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"Are the Saudis involved here too?"

 

They're busy right now in Sochi.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4461577 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4461578 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4461580 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:22 | 4461581 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461582 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461583 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461584 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461585 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461586 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461587 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4461597 mayhem_korner
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Something sticky on your keyboard?

(oh...)

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:48 | 4461713 Divided States ...
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Hey kliguy....u watching porn while surfing on ZH??? effin multiple pop-ups.....

btw, u work for the SEC??

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:27 | 4461852 zerozulu
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Most probably a Ukrainian talent.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubTlTKLas_o

 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:09 | 4462021 DeathProof
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We should really be lobbying the IOC to bring pole to the summer games.

I'd have to PVR the womens beach volleyball.

 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:37 | 4461905 BLOTTO
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I think the record is skipping...

 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4461623 layman_please
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that's what happens when HF algo tries to comment

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461591 kliguy38
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wait til the olympics are over and Vlad will whack the neocon/bankers with a quick backhand slap and say..... "now what are ya gonna do BITCHEZZ"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4461594 TeamDepends
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Whoa, dude!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:25 | 4461595 Theta_Burn
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Where you trying to say something?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4461614 fonzannoon
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That's a record 

I gave him a greenie on the 7th one. That one stood out to me.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:31 | 4461638 kliguy38
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wow....that's one on me dude......look what happens when they try to block a determined comment.....shot right through that NSA prick

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:39 | 4461677 fonzannoon
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It happens. If you combine all them they are no longer than your average threadjack. Everyone gets one.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:23 | 4461837 SAT 800
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Would Washington allow Texas to leave the Union? No. Same thing. Hardly remarkable.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:11 | 4461511 magpie
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Yes, indeed...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:12 | 4461512 Max Damage
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Obama is prepared to draw some more lines like the fuckwit he is

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:19 | 4461552 NoDebt
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Even his masters now know they can't depend on him to get a simple war off the ground.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:20 | 4461560 Headbanger
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Gee, maybe it will work if he uses different colors this time..

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:36 | 4461657 superflex
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Rainbow sprinkes and glitter are right up his alley.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461592 Glasnost
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Hot war, bitchez!

The United States should fuck off and leave Ukraine alone.
Russia too should get the fuck out, Ukraine belongs to Ukraine, but at least Russia is next to Ukraine.

What the hell kind of business does the United States have in Ukraine?
Spell it with me.
N-O-N-E.  

Except a proxy war. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:47 | 4461707 general ambivalent
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But they were denied WW3 a few months ago and they really wanted it for Christmas.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:10 | 4461783 mickeyman
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An appropriate belated Valentine's Day gift.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:11 | 4461787 BobPaulson
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Good luck getting rid of Russia. What did the US do when the Russians tried to set up shop in Cuba? 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:25 | 4461843 disabledvet
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maybe the question should be what the Ukrainians are gonna do to "the little Russians."

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:41 | 4461920 Johnny Cocknballs
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Violence against midgets is no laughing matter, Gunny.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:00 | 4461980 Kirk2NCC1701
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Q:  What business do the EU/US have in Ukraine, to want them to meddle so much?

A: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/ukraine-situation-explained-one-map

Questions?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:33 | 4461646 dobermangang
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Tweet of the day yestereday...

24h

"Yes, Obama could sell his red lines on eBay as new. They are all in mint condition, never used!"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:11 | 4461513 Oh regional Indian
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There goes another global bread-basket up in flames.

I think someone has an agencdca here and it may be the three letter word.

Gibran:

To rob a neighbor with a smile, to bestow gifts with a graceful wave of
the hand, to praise prudently, to blame cautiously, to destroy a soul with a word,
to burn a body with a breath, and then to wash the hands when the day’s work is done.

 

Rest: http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/of-words-and-sword-mad-men/

Crazzy days...

ori

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:13 | 4461519 magpie
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Nothing is meant to be left standing of the country

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:13 | 4461516 Theta_Burn
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Lots of Ocean access/beachfront property..

Completely makes sense

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:20 | 4461561 NoDebt
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Russia and warm water ports.... it's a long-running thing with them.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:41 | 4461921 BobPaulson
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Yes, I mentioned in the thread on the peace deal article that the fundamental problem is the very well defined voting blocks in the Ukraine. Russia could work to a stalemate partition securing the Russian supporting eastern part with the Crimea and the naval bases but it still means all the pipelines pass through ethnic Ukrainian territory. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:20 | 4462084 Kirk2NCC1701
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If we look at History, we find that all the world's super powers had a large navy, to protect their merchant fleet and 'secure' new found territories.

But only the farsighted ones used their sea power more for trade than for plunder.  Perhaps economic plunder was and is still easier to get away with than military plunder. 

IOW, it's one thing to 'steal' their stuff with tricky bargaining, than to steal it and kill them too.  In the former case, you've pissed off the guy who got a shitty deal.  In the latter case, you've pissed off the entire family and friends.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:13 | 4461521 RockRiver
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As long as they wait until the Olympics are over, we're good....

 

/sarc

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:16 | 4461532 The Shootist
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They didn't last time.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:14 | 4461526 yrbmegr
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If Russia cannot contain itself, then someone else must do it.  Russia does not have the unilateral right to absorb neighboring countries.  And China does not have the unilateral right to absorb international waters.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4461550 blabam
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When are you leaving? 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:19 | 4461551 alien-IQ
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Yes. Only America is entitled to unilateral rights to trample other nations. It's called "exceptionalism".

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461588 Headbanger
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No.  It's been called "Manifest Destiny" for a long time now.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:32 | 4461642 Spastica Rex
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The Indians couldn’t have been exterminated/domesticated so quickly without it.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:52 | 4461728 Oh regional Indian
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I think the bookends to the Indian Slave situation are 1) Broken promises via a hugely fraud filled BIA 2) Iintroduction of Wheat and other glutenous grains + cheap alcohol+casino den of vices managed by Vegas mafia 

3) Masonically capping/blowing up/desecrating their sacred spaces (mostly mounds/hills), prime example being Mount Rushmore. If lightening struck mount rushmore and destroyed the abomination, everything can change.

Anywyas, I ramble...

ori

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:21 | 4461830 Spastica Rex
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I bet you would appreciate these sacred mounds that I putter around.

Bear, fox, eagle.

My intutition is that "Indians" might end up having the last laugh, after all.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 13:44 | 4462382 Oh regional Indian
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Gorgeous state SR, you are lucky. I've been up and down it, a few times. I used to date a lady in Portland. My favourite city in the US. Did the drive to the Boulder of Oregon (The Mighty Ducks??? I forget the town's name) in her 1968 VW Bus. The winds near Mt Hood were pulling and pushing that brick which had a half turn play in the steering all over the lanes....

Good days. Clak a Mass....

And then there is Nikeland....

and the rednecks in the interior, farming towns....they did not like their Indians too much, especially those with Beautiful Blonde Girlfriends :-)

Had similar weirdo + Awesome experiences in Utah, especially Ogden....

......tripping...

 

 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 05:52 | 4464614 August
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Well, yeah.  But Americans are GOOD.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:20 | 4461558 Uncle Remus
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The US does not have the unilateral right to be the world's police/enforcer/nanny/thug/capo.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:26 | 4462106 Kirk2NCC1701
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True, but you do realize that the US is merely the willing thug, doing its master's bidding?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:31 | 4464909 matrix2012
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"The US does not have the unilateral right to be the world's police/enforcer/nanny/thug/capo."

 

Last time I heard it's the Murca's divine rights to interfere with other nation's affairs around the globe. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:21 | 4461566 zhanglini
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and the US of A has unilateral rights to everything!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:46 | 4462168 agent default
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Including hell?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:21 | 4461568 Dr. Engali
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But the U.S has the unilateral right to secure all the oil fields in the middle east right?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:26 | 4461602 Uncle Remus
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Well, that's a whole different kettle of gefilte fish.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:45 | 4461700 HardAssets
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There are other ways to absorb people/resources. This includes media & culture, sponsored color revolutions, shipped in and/or sponsored 'freedom fighters', and bankster piled on financial 'debt' made up and impossible to ever pay off.

Its likely that few if any of us here on ZH know what's Really Goiing On in many of these places around the world. I know all the parties involved don't send me intel briefs, anyway.  But, many of us are very suspicious of a reoccuring pattern of activity that the crazy neo-cons even wrote about in their strategic white papers.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:26 | 4461846 SAT 800
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Okay; suit up; we'll send you as the invading front wave.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 23:28 | 4467042 silvermail
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"If Russia cannot contain itself, then someone else must do it.  Russia does not have the unilateral right to absorb neighboring countries.  And China does not have the unilateral right to absorb international waters."

Exactly! Only the United States are entitled to receive any of the country through war, proxy war, terrorism, and the color revolutions that lead to power puppets of Washington.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 04:53 | 4467380 Invinciblehandaxe
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yrbmegr

pull your dickhead out of your fat ass fucktard

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:15 | 4461527 Grinder74
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This is seriously from the latest Tom Clancy novel.  Is that why he "died", Putin snuffed him?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:16 | 4461529 mayhem_korner
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Well, the Olympic (Potemkin) village can double as a staging area for the 'defense' effort.  Should bring the ROI on that investment up to acceptable levels.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4461533 Winston Churchill
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History rhyming .

Obozo leadging the Light Brigade into the Valley of Death.

With the Wookie in the supporting role as Florence Nightingale.

Ugh.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:17 | 4461539 alien-IQ
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If this doesn't send the S&P to a new all time high, nothing will.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:54 | 4461736 HardAssets
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"If this doesn't send the S&P to a new all time high, nothing will."

And, of course, - - - a possible regional war that could get out of hand and bring on a thermo-nuclear WW3 means the 'price' of gold will go down in these 'markets' today.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:17 | 4461541 1stepcloser
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Boris better burn his draft card...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4461543 Ulterior
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now you see what ruskies are all about? they settle their peasants to some territory, wait till they multiply and then look for excuse to protect it from native population

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:40 | 4461680 Omen IV
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you must be confused - you're speaking about Israel?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:33 | 4461886 forwardho
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Not an Izzy basher,

but that was spot on.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:10 | 4465036 matrix2012
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Same practice in Malvinas island too!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4461544 Truther
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It's war BITCHEZ.... Get used to it.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4461545 ZeroPoint
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There must be gas or oil pipelines running through there.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:19 | 4461549 JustObserving
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Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine


The West, led by Obama, is already at war with Ukraine:

The provocations of ultra-right groups and hooligans have met with deafening silence from Western politicians and media, which uniformly ascribe responsibility for the crisis in Ukraine to the Yanukovych regime and Russia.

The White House and the EU bureaucracy in Brussels are quite willing to allow these forces to destabilize the state through street violence while they lead the campaign to force the Yanukovych government out of power. The US and the EU powers are striving to impose a client regime in Ukraine pledged to carry out austerity policies demanded by the International Monetary Fund and take a much more confrontational stance towards Russia.

During a trip to Mexico, US President Obama publicly criticised the role played by the Russian government in Ukraine. “Mr. Putin has a different view on many of those issues [people’s basic freedoms] and I don’t think that there’s any secret on that,” Obama said.

“Our approach in the United States is not to see these as some Cold War chessboard in which we’re in competition with Russia,” he continued. “Our goal is to make sure that the people of Ukraine are able to make decisions for themselves about their future.”

In fact, the Obama administration’s aggressive policy in Central Europe is a continuation of that of the Bush administration, which sought to undermine the influence of Russia over former Soviet republics and former Eastern Bloc allies in Europe, as well as former Soviet Republics in Asia. The real content behind Obama’s bluster about democratic aspirations was most vividly exposed by the recent comments of Victoria Nuland, the US assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs.

In a leaked telephone conversation with the US ambassador to Ukraine, Nuland, wife of the neo-conservative cold warrior Robert Kagan, put forward her preferred scenario for a future Ukrainian government, dismissing the opinion of European leaders with the comment, “Fuck the EU.”

Nuland had previously underlined the geostrategic importance of Ukraine to the US when she told an international business conference that the US had invested $5 billion in NGOs and other organizations opposed to the Yanukovych regime.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/21/ukra-f21.html

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:23 | 4461570 magpie
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Now is the time for Yanukovich to step back, hand over the reigns of power to Klitschko and watch him be overthrown by Svovoboda...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:30 | 4461871 SAT 800
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That woman has a big mouth. the anouncement of the 5Bill. in destabilization groups should have every American Citizen in the country standing up and shouting and calling for Obama's resignation; instead; nobody pays any attention.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:39 | 4461913 geno-econ
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If Nuland/ Kagan connection is a fact, it could spread religious hostility as depicted in play "Fiddler on the Roof". Removal of Nuland would be a move towards reconciliation and certainly justified by her undiplomatic behavior. Then there is Brizhinski, who according to his latest book, believes Poland should return to its former past as the center of Eastern Europe. At least he has the wisdom to remain silent during current Ukrainian crisis. It seems all the past rivalries are surfacing as they did before WW I and II with similar motivations for strategic territory, agricultural land, resources, and dominance of old Empires. The new component is the desire of Ukranian youth to enjoy Western standards of living. However that quest can be satisfied with an open emigration policy if the
EU is willing to accept more immigrants from the Ukraine. As far as political corruption within Ukraine, that is a problem for their own people to solve which they seem to be addressing with fervor.
External influences should stay out of the Ukraine during this crisis,because if push comes to shove, Russia may repeat the Georgia exercise .
Meanwhile the US is overextended in a protracted military adventure and will not have public support for more war.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:45 | 4462166 Kirk2NCC1701
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After the Arab Spring templates and 'success', I'm also observing that these Civil Uprisings seem to be happening in all the Geo-political places of US and EU interest.  Typically in places where carbon fuels (gas, oil) are extracted or carried (pipeline routes).

Everything being equal, these uprisings should happen in other places also, but given that they happen predominantly in these places, makes it rather obvious (to most with half a brain) that TPTB (oil and money cartels) are both heating and stirring the pot. 

/ In light of this, they should come up with a new Bond drink that is... "Shaken and Hot". /sarc

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:21 | 4461562 Ness.
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This is all extremely bullish for stocks.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:21 | 4461569 buzzsaw99
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 If people of Ukraine think they would be better off in bed with the west they are wrong. The us & eu want ukraine for strategic purposes, not because they want to help the peons.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:38 | 4461670 blabam
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Peons will be peons. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:44 | 4461692 Ness.
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Peons will get peed on.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:48 | 4462174 Kirk2NCC1701
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Pee-ons will be pee-ons.  Trickle-Down economics works out as Trickled-On economics for such people.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:24 | 4461573 Uncle Remus
Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:26 | 4461599 sangell
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Yep Ukraine is the U in USSR

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:26 | 4461600 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Don't worry guys, Lurch will save us.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:59 | 4461753 L_Conquistador
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Haven't you heard?  He's fighting the war against warming - our deadliest foe.  He says "minus 1 degree by 2093, or fight!"

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:33 | 4461887 SAT 800
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It's really unpleasant having a crazy person for your Sec. of State. I suppose he just reads whatever they give him to "broadcast".  What a country.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:27 | 4461606 Smegley Wanxalot
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Putin plays chess ...Oblowhard plays in the sand

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:30 | 4461630 Uncle Remus
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So, long douche makers then?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:49 | 4462182 Kirk2NCC1701
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I thought he played Golf.  What's his Handicap?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:28 | 4461617 Volaille de Bresse
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Apparently the US spooks don't learn from their mistakes : they always try to step on Putin's toes during the Olympic Games and they fail!

In 2008 they manipulated the Georgian psuchopath Sachatchvili into attacking Russia : "din't worry go ahead it's the Olympic truce. Vlad won't retaliate". The result is within 48 hrs Sacatchvili got destroyed.

Forward to 2014 the US spooks pour some gasoline on the Ukrainian mess during the Olympic Games. Gues what? The games end on Sunday, that means on Monday morning Vlad will be able to spend all his time and attention on Kiev. 

 

What it means : the US spooks and Nuland are going to lose once again!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:28 | 4461618 Son of Captain Nemo
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I'm having a vision...

I see a malato in the White House oval office chair chewing nervously on his "red power tie" as the Almighty American $ continues it's massive erosion staring catatonically at the hour glass that sits in front of him.

Obama wishes this was 2007!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4461620 youngman
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Russia did it in the 30s...they will do it now...they really do not like Ukranians....they have populated half the country with Russians already...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:27 | 4461855 forwardho
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Have often wondered if the famine imposed by the soviets was really just a way of freeing up productive land for use by soviet immigries.

 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 23:55 | 4467082 silvermail
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"Have often wondered if the famine imposed by the soviets was really just a way of freeing up productive land for use by soviet immigries."

Sir, you are ignorant . You do not know the history of the countries of the past that trying to talk . Do not listen to Faux News propaganda . Better to read the real story, as amended 1800-1917 period.

Then you'll know exactly what to 1917 , the state of Ukraine , has never existed on the political map of the world. And you will also know that the so-called "Kievan Rus" - is the name of only historical period , but not the name of any state education.

All so-called eastern regions of Ukraine ( including Crimea and the so-called Ukrainian Settlement ) is the old native Russian land.
Where Russia's rulers at different times, allowed to settle and live Ukrainians who fled from the Polish oppression .
I hope you now understand why on this land, are so many Russian people now.
By the way, most people who died of starvation, is Russian people in the south and east of Ukraine. In western Ukraine, the famine was not. But today, this hunger is outraged western Ukraine, which is generally felt no hunger.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4461621 dobermangang
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And there's shooting in the streets in Venezuela.

http://faustasblog.com/2014/02/venezuela-shooting-in-the-streets/

We live in interesting times.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:31 | 4461633 Skin666
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A War that starts with an innocuous event in a region in the bowels of Eastern Europe...

 

Now where have I heard that one before?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:33 | 4461648 CitizenPete
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Queue up the 10 hour version of Hell March: http://youtu.be/CIusCUV4CmU

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:40 | 4461679 blabam
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Those were the days...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:37 | 4461652 Mine Is Bigger
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This FT story is stupid fear-mongering, Crimea has been a staunchly pro-Russian region.  It will NEVER go with western Ukraine even if the country splits up.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:36 | 4461661 viator
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Surprise, surprise.

Kiev is the very ancient capital of nascent Russia, and predates Moscow.

"During the 8th and 9th centuries, Kiev was an outpost of the Khazar empire. However, being located on the historical trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks and starting in the late 9th century or early 10th century, Kiev was ruled by the Varangian nobility and became the nucleus of the Rus' polity, whose 'Golden Age' (11th to early 12th centuries) has from the 19th century become referred to as Kievan Rus'." Hence the name Russia.

further:

Sevastopol -  "The city continues to be the home of the Russian - formerly Soviet - Black Sea Fleet, and is now home to a Ukrainian naval base and has Russian naval facilities leased from Ukraine through 2042. The headquarters of both the Ukrainian Naval Forces and Russia's Black Sea Fleet are located in the city."

And:

"Ukraine has long been a global breadbasket due to its fertile conditions. As of 2011, it was the world's third-largest grain exporter with that year's harvest being much larger than average. Ukraine is one of ten most attractive agricultural land acquisition regions."

Not to mention the oil pipelines and the 7.5 million ethnic Russians living in the Ukraine.

The Golden Age of Kievan Rus' began with the reign of Vladimir the Great (980–1015), no small irony.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:09 | 4461763 Jorgen
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Kiev is the very ancient capital of nascent Russia, and predates Moscow.

And so is/was Kosovo for Serbia...

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:57 | 4462212 Kirk2NCC1701
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"During the 8th and 9th centuries, Kiev was an outpost of the Khazar empire."

Really?  Interesting.  Then maybe those people with Khazar roots are merely homesick and seeking to re-establish or rebuild their Homeland?  /sarc

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:39 | 4461672 Smiley
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Afghanistan rev 2.0

When are we sending off the first shipload of stinger missiles? 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:43 | 4461689 Skin666
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Or World War rev 3.0

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:56 | 4462203 agent default
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I think you are calling it a bit too early.  We are certainly headed there, but I think it will take at least five years before we get there.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:51 | 4461724 BanjoDoug
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.... at the heart of the whole affair is the zionist banksters wanting to control the planet, take over more regions for the sake of the money & power .....

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:09 | 4461781 buzzsaw99
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thanks captain obvious

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 10:53 | 4461735 robertocarlos
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That river divides the country nicely.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:06 | 4461771 stant
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bet someone has some nice sat pics of of a shit load of tanks parked along that river. and has gone for a clean pair of under wear

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:16 | 4461786 Seize Mars
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There was no "collapse of the Soviet Union." It was another illusion like Sandy Hook or 9/11.
Putin will not allow a bunch of peasants to overthrow Ukraine's government.
Watch what happens if a bunch of tax slaves try to overthrow the government of Illinois. You'd have federal troops shooting your ass right quick.
Same thing here.
Are you guys sick of being slaves yet?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:22 | 4461832 no2foreclosures
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Most people even the commentators here on Zerohedge don't know that when Putin ordered his special forces into Georgia around August 8, 2008, he also sent in some of his tactical nukes units into Georgia as a direct and unequivocal warning to NATO/CIA/Israel (their presences in Georgia were quite noticeable): DO NOT FUCK WITH ME WITH YOUR HIGH-TECH, PRECISION SHIT!

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 13:31 | 4462329 irongator
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This has the potential of being the Sarajevo of our time. Nobody has a clue how volital this could be. 

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 13:31 | 4462332 irongator
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This has the potential of being the Sarajevo of our time. Nobody has a clue how volital this could be. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 02:53 | 4467298 silvermail
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"August 8, 2008, he also sent in some of his tactical nukes units into Georgia as a direct and unequivocal warning to NATO/CIA/Israel"

Yes, before I did not know about this .
But I knew exactly, that in response to a visit to Georgia U.S. warship, Putin sent to U.S. shores, at least two submarines with nuclear missiles on board.
He did this as a response "gesture of courtesy". Putin behaves like a true gentleman.

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:58 | 4461946 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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http://www.eegas.com/ukraine.htm

All you need to know

White Stream

http://www.osce.org/ashgabat/67922

Guess who now owns the water and land rights if Russia annexes the Crimea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Stream

Not only that they get to cut the Ukraine and Turkey pretty much out of the picture concerning the South Stream project. The west might get the Ukraine but Russia still wins the battle....

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 11:54 | 4461960 irongator
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Scary stuff: PCR is dead on- http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/20/ukraine-drifting-toward-civil...

Why can't we stay the hell out of other people's wars and territories?

Fri, 02/21/2014 - 12:20 | 4462081 Blano
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Nonintervention is boring.

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