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Russia Angered At Ukraine Government Vote To Remove President After "I Won't Resign" Comments

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Remember that (laughable) agreement that was signed less than 24 hours ago and was grandly endorsed by all European nations, and which delineated the next legal presidential election sometime between September and December? Good times.

With 328 (of the 450 seats) voting in favor, the Ukraine parliament has agreed to removed President Viktor Yanukovych:


“Yanukovych, in an illegal manner, removed himself from his constitutional duties,” Turchynov says in chamber before vote. The Russians are not at all happy with Siluanov exclaiming these actions "pose a direct threat to Ukraine's sovereignty and constitutional order."


As Martin Armstrong warns:

I believe the nation will survive divided for there is far too much resentment to simply put this all behind and walk forward. Divide Ukraine along the historical language faultline and there is a chance to calm things down. Otherwise, this will flare up and take others with it.


My position is consistent – ALL governments are only a necessary evil. They should never be allowed to have such power over the people for it will also be abused to sustain that same power. It does not matter what form of government – they are all the same.


It would appear we are getting closer to a divided/split nation...



In the minds of so many western journalists, yesterday's "deal" to reform the constitution, hold new elections in 10 months or so, and generally all 'just get along' was a victory but this morning it is clear that very little has changed.


Late last night Ukraine time, President Yanukovych (and some of his key advisers) fled Kiev (amid so-called threats) and headed to the eastern part of the country. Then following rumors he would resign, he stated in a TV address that he would not and that pro-EU forces had staged a "coup d'etat". This has left a troubled nation with just as divided a future as protesters have taken back control of Kiev.

Russia is not happy; blaming extremists for threatening order.


The government has moved in his absence:


Putin will not be happy:

Russia's foreign minister on Saturday accused Ukraine's opposition of failing to fulfill its side of a peace deal intended to end the nation's political crisis and urged Western mediators to intervene.


Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called his German, French and Polish counterparts, who helped broker Friday's agreement between Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition. Yanukovych agreed to hold early elections this fall and surrender much of his powers, but opposition supporters have kept pushing for his immediate dismissal.


The Russian Foreign Ministry said Lavrov urged his counterparts to use their influence with the Ukrainian opposition, which he said "not only has failed to fulfill any of its obligations, but keeps making new demands under the influence of armed extremists and rioters."


Their actions "pose a direct threat to Ukraine's sovereignty and constitutional order," he said.





Via WSJ,

From Deal to Defection...


Government authority appeared to melt away Saturday, leaving protesters in control of the capital's center. President Viktor Yanukovych left the capital for a city in the country's Russian-speaking east and said he would work to prevent the country from splitting up.

In a television interview Saturday afternoon in Kharkiv, where Russian-speaking supporters had gathered, Mr. Yanukovych denounced the events in Kiev as a "coup d'etat" that he blamed on "bandits." He said he wasn't stepping down and vowed to remain inside the country. He said parliament's decisions today are "illegal" and that he would refuse to sign them. Asked about his plans, he said he will travel in the Russian-speaking south and east of the country, "where for the moment it's less dangerous."

Opposition leader Vitali Klitschko earlier had called on parliament to vote to oust Mr. Yanukovych and announce presidential elections in May, as police withdrew from the center of the capital Saturday.

Ukraine opposition leader and former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko was expected to be released from prison within hours, according to a spokeswoman for the opposition.

The army has said it will not get involved...



Opposition leaders signed a peace deal with Mr. Yanukovych Friday after dozens were killed in clashes between protesters and police. The deal proposed power sharing and presidential elections by the end of the year. But protesters weren't satisfied and called for his immediate ouster.


In Kiev on Saturday, volunteer security brigades from among the protesters took over security at government buildings, and journalists reported around 300 people had entered Mr. Yanukovych's opulent suburban residence without resistance.


Oleh Tyahnybok, an opposition leader, called on parliament to adopt a resolution calling on police and protesters' "self-defense" forces to work to prevent looting in Kiev and other cities.


Outside the Kiev headquarters of Ukraine's security service, plain-clothed men wearing earpieces stood at the street corners, eying those who passed. They wouldn't say who they worked for.




With truckloads of activists armed with baseball bats driving the streets of Kiev, the security service appeared to be taking no chances. In the interior lobby and parking lot of the building, fire hoses and fire extinguishers were piled in the corners.


The Interior Ministry said in a statement that "it serves only the Ukrainian people and fully shares the desire of citizens for immediate change." It called for cooperation from all sides to ensure public order.

A power vaccum has developed...

Opposition lawmakers in parliament called for calm amid concerns over a power vacuum, calling on state officials and religious and civic leaders to work together to ensure order.

Parliamentary speaker Volodymyr Rybak, a close ally of Mr. Yanukovych, handed in his resignation Saturday. Lawmakers elected opposition leader Olexander Turchinov to replace him. It wasn't immediately clear whether the opposition could muster sufficient support to vote Mr. Yanukovych out.

The European Union is prepared to offer Ukraine financial support, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso said on Saturday.

"If there is a reform-minded government in Ukraine, we will work with the international community and international financial institutions to support Ukraine," Mr. Barroso told German newspaper "Welt am Sonntag."



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Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:13 | 4464849 VD
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'the opposition' truly are neo-nazi; based on first-hand accounts on ground they are hunting people of certain religions and terrorizing all others who aren't with them...scary..

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:26 | 4464894 The.Harmless.Who
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Great post TahoeBilly!


You see?  Zionists = Fascists. 


Zionists prints all over any form of destruction the world over.  



Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:31 | 4464910 john39
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nwo maggots. what a shock.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:34 | 4464920 TahoeBilly2012
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Funded by Soros, trained by the IDF....hey kinda like New Yawk City!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:32 | 4465313 Never One Roach
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Dividing the Ukraine with support form barry is great precedent for Texas sucession ... wil make Perry very happy.


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:56 | 4465390 TahoeBilly2012
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Some more "Soros Democracy" in action. Do these people ever sleep?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:34 | 4464917 cossack55
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Send von Manstein to the Dneiper.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:37 | 4464926 semperfidelis
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This is a major blow to Russia`s geopolitical standing. This is huge. Russia cannot aford ethnic conflict between Slavs (Russian or Ukrainian). Russia has fully lost Ukraine. Watch Belarus. Even if we don`t agree with them, Nuland played a good hand.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:01 | 4465003 Winston Churchill
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You are a moron.

Putin is not going to react during the Sochi olympics.

The fact that the US has broken the standard 'truce' during them will not be

forgotten, or forgiven.

The Russians will react, how and where we will find out Monday probably.

There is a whole lot of miscalculation going on right now. Hubris does that.

Nuland vs. Putin +.Bantam vs. heavyweight.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 17:30 | 4466138 The Black Bishop
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This game is far from over. And it is a game played with human pieces like so many times before. Russia will not accept EU/US so close to its borders. As an earlier article noted, Ukraine is eerily similar to how things went down in Syria (and Libya to some degree).

2014 will be 1914 all over again.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 18:51 | 4466354 Smiley
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I wouldn't be surprised if he does like he did in Georgia and flattens a few cities to make a point.  I don't care how much you THINK you've won the day...a couple divisions of Soviet tanks rolling across the border will dampen even the most optimistic of outlooks.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:10 | 4465032 Mine Is Bigger
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I don't know... Northern and western parts probably are not as important as southern and eastern parts.  The results of split could be something similar to Slovakia and the Czech Republic.

What I really wonder about is if a change of government would really improve people's lives.  From what I hear, corruptions were just as rampant when the other side was in power.  Also, mafia is a large presence in Ukraine.  This probably won't change even if different politicians are put in charge.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:31 | 4465127 semperfidelis
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We see the Ukrainian revolution as a fight between Russia and the US, between the FSB and the CIA. The Ukrainians see it as a fight against rampant corruption and poverty. We are looking at different movies.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:13 | 4465267 Johnny Cocknballs
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and you are wholly discounting a very clear west/east divide.  The east and south Russian speaking areas want no part of what those in the West want - yes anticorruption, but some want to be part of the EU while the nationalists do not and indeed are wary of the IMF/World Bank ass fucking that is being prepared.

Nuland is a fluffer for NWO cock, not a chess player.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 17:33 | 4466147 The Black Bishop
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And those who really believe the EU and US is less corrupt have a few lessons to learn.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:48 | 4465374 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes, they get to see the B movie for children, while we get to see the A movie for grownups.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:40 | 4465167 RaceToTheBottom
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That would be the best case scenario.  Czech and Slovakia were combined against a common foe.  This is not the case here.  The foe is one of the sides.  There will be nothing velvet about this.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:38 | 4465576 Omegaman2211
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Government never improves people's lives. Ever.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 21:32 | 4466760 StychoKiller
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"Govt is not reason, it is not eloquence.  IT IS FORCE!" -- George Washington

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:18 | 4465740 americanspirit
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Check the map of gas pipelines. There isn't a square kilometer of Ukraine that isn't vital to Russian 'strategic interests'. That's why when this is over - very soon - there won't be a square kilometer of the former Ukraine that doesn't have a Russian tank sitting squarely on it surrounded by Russian Special Forces. All areas within 10 Km of any pipeline will be declared 'no go' territory and intruders will be shot on sight. Any villages/farms/homes within the 10 kilometer zone will be evacuated forcibly. Any attempt to sabotage any pipeline will be met with on-the-spot execution. Putin knows he has to move fast and without mercy or this thing will get away from him - and he isn't going to let that happen. The EU toadies in Brussels will have been told in no uncertain terms that they can do all the public squeeling they want but if they actually make even the smallest move toward the Ukraine the gas will be shut off.

Of course salvation will arrive when Obama swiftly draws a red line, which will terrify the Russians and they will then withdraw peacefully. Crisis resolved.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 17:38 | 4466168 The Black Bishop
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The Charge Of The Light Brigade

by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Memorializing Events in the Battle of Balaclava, October 25, 1854
Written 1854

Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred:
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd ?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd & thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack & Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke,
Shatter'd & sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse & hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

Red lines indeed! Your comment reminded me of this poem. Obummer/Nuttanyahoo/Merkel sending their thin red line into the russian killingfield.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:11 | 4465045 general ambivalent
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It ain't over 'til the fat Merkel sings.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:38 | 4465574 MrsMerkel
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Ja hallo.

The hilllllls are alive....

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:17 | 4465066 dontknowcrapabo...
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Yes, the Russians speak a slavic language, however, their history is a bit more complicated. Calling this a "conflict between Slavs" is a bit naive.'_people


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:29 | 4465120 semperfidelis
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The original plan envisioned Victor Yanukovych’s appearance at the congress, the announcement of a new southeastern Ukrainian republic, and its separation from Ukraine. The guarantor of the security of the republic was to be Russian president Vladimir Putin, who was to officially support the new government and introduce a limited military contingent to protect the republic.

However, contrary to expectations, Vladimir Putin declined, in no uncertain terms, not only to provide military support but also to recognize the new state. After that demarche the enthusiasts of that project abandoned it and decided to declare their commitment to the integrity of Ukraine’s territorial boundaries. Yanukovych decided not to attend the congress.

At present the acting president’s team is looking for ways to leave the country. Thus far their main problem is the refusal of several states to grant they asylym.

What you call knife in the back?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 16:10 | 4465884 Tracerfan
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The U.S. is very good at breaking things.  Iraq, Libya, Syria, now Ukraine.  And good at becoming a bankrupt overstretched empire. 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:10 | 4465037 Martel
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Send von Manstein to the Dneiper.

If the Nordics, the Swiss etc. are up to it, von Manstein could be accompanied by SS Wiking. They fought relatively clean.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:21 | 4465086 The Shootist
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Swiss? You mean Norway and Sweden. The Romanians surely were of little aid on the Eastern front.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:14 | 4465053 El Tuco
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So what do you have against Jews protesting against evil? Are you saying Jews can't support a country where they probably have friends and relatives still?

Are you saying all Jews are Zionists?





Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:19 | 4465496 buzzsaw99
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don't know why you got so many down votes. i hate joo bankers, billionaire globalist exploiters, moneychangers, more than anyone on this board but i have no problem with the average jew, xtian, or muzzie on the street. do hate mormons though. [/semi-sarcasm]

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:25 | 4465526 Zero Debt
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Evil? Come on, don't bring in the "moral ground" crap. And yes, almost all jews are zionists.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:25 | 4465107 Alexi-Alexi
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I call BS on this article. Now, I dont have the details but common logic goes against it.


Odessa is full of Jews and if this was sponsored by Jewish money with Jews in charge the region would not be against what is happening. they could have influenced the people through jewish community easily! 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 16:53 | 4466017 Frostfan1
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Unnamed soldiers unnamed tycoons and Iranian Press TV? That's your source????????? This isn't Israel's fight guys. Not every fight in the world starts in Jerusalem.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 17:15 | 4466063 bigrooster
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Imagine that, Isreal has a hand in this...

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:24 | 4464890 The.Harmless.Who
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VD - you are correct. 


It is puzzling how this was not mentioned more often - that a large faction of the opposition are neo-nazi / fascist groups - and openly so.  


Fellow Zero-Hedgers who've read my posts fully know that I'm an anti-zionist, but I'd hate to see Ukraine fall victim to an outwardly  neo-nazi regime, as they are both destructive forces. 


Neo-Nazi are nothing more than muscle / a proxy / a carrier of destruction in the hands of Zionists and their bankster brothers. 





Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:30 | 4464906 VD
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i'm hearing horror stories from insiders daily.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:38 | 4464928 El Tuco
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Oh Yes tell us your horror stories! LOL...dumb shit...

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:34 | 4465143 Alexi-Alexi
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Look at the residence photos and videos from today and see why people were fighting the government.


as example :

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:49 | 4465196 VD
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yes because other presidentz have nothing save for their undying service for their populace LOL!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:19 | 4465743 Volkodav
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Jay Leno has bigger spread than that...

how come never show Yulia the gas thief's stuff?

Or the ones running finance, dc or eu?

Oh! go to those and criminal tresspass and be shot..

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:57 | 4464988 rbg81
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Neo-Nazi are nothing more than muscle / a proxy / a carrier of destruction in the hands of Zionists and their bankster brothers.


Wow.  So the Neo-Nazis are really working for the Joooos too, eh?  

You really are a sick, twisted bastard, aren't you?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:16 | 4465062 Johnny Cocknballs
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Look, Nuland and Kagan and the neocons are perfectly willing to utilize neo nazis to achieve some goal or other, just as the US is very happy to use Al Qaeda in Syria and Libya while simultaneously fighting "Al Qaeda" in Anbar, Mali, Somalia, and elsewhere.

The neocons also likely had links to Salafist terror groups in Chechnya - the enemy of their enemy was their friend.

Not so strange as the Zionist founders of Israel were terrorist who deliberately targetted civilians in order to carry out the ethnic cleansing their worldview absolutely presupposed. 


Obviously no entire group of people does anything as a monolith - that is a bullshit reduction of a position, whether or not the position, fairly stated, enjoys any evidence.

If we say, "the Americans attacked Iraq" - it sure as fuck doesn't include me, or indeed 98% of us.  Language is sloppy.


 - I think, and take or leave the above as you want, but the concern is, once western ukraine is freed from the eeeee-vil Putin because, in part of the neo-nazis... who's gonna deal with them?  Not people who claim  {rightly} that the Bolsheviks were largely Jewish in leadership - actual neo nazis who hate and want to deport Jews?  Will NATO have to go in to deal with them?  The Ukrainian military may not be able to...




Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:36 | 4465151 rbg81
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It doesn't make a lot of sense.  IMHO, what is happening in Ukraine now is Western payback for Putin's interference in Syri and opposition to gay rights.   While Israel may not have liked Assad, at least he brought some measure of stability and predictability to Syria.  That plus the Assad family handn't really fucked with Israel for decades.  My point is that Israel secretly supported the Russian effort to prop up Assad because he could be managed, while Al Qaeda cannot.  Only our idiot Government thinks Al Qaeda can be managed.  Israel is not as stupid--they no doubt learned from the disasterous experiment with Hamas in the Gaza.  Therefore they have no real beef with Putin.  It's alluring at some level to take the position that everyone is secretly working with their "enemy", but at some point it has to make sense.  This doesn't.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:58 | 4465221 mofreedom
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I don't have a beef with Putin either.  Strength is not gay.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:23 | 4465286 Johnny Cocknballs
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sorry, have to disagree.  Israel's right wing absolutely wants to weaken and roll back Syria.  It wants to balkanize it.  it also wants to invade and annex Lebanon to the Litani river and finish the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.... 

I dont know if you believe what you write, or if you're gate keeping - I tend to believe the former, but you might want to read up on the Oded Yinon line of plans - which includes the "clean break" paper really.

I'm quite certain many in the military prefer a stable syria - but the Netanyahu Greater Israel crowd wants as many muslims around them killing as many musims {and christians} as possible.  Likudnik Zionism is absolutely fascist and bloodthirsty.  This would be obvious if criticism of anyone/anything Jewish wasn't so {often needlessly and/or disingenuously} fraught with negotiating egg shells because of the insanely low threshold for calling some true statement X "hate" when applied to Jews/Israel when it would be all over the media if applied to Arabs/Muslims.


The following are very worth reading:


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:39 | 4465337 BandGap
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You did not just write that. Gay rights? You're kidding, right?


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:27 | 4465534 Zero Debt
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Ok, so what is worth more: gay "rights" or wheat, gas, and port access?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 16:38 | 4465969 rbg81
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There are many in the US, both gay and straight, who appear to value gay rights over just about every other issue.  20 years ago, only a handful of gay people fell in this category.  No longer.  Now you nearly trip over them.  Most of them are single women.  Unfortunately, most of the men are reporters, politicians & diplomats from the US, EU, and UN.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:27 | 4465114 Alexi-Alexi
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there is a difference between nationalists and neo-fasicts...those are nationalists...and they are NOT large. The whole of Ukraine was involved there are countless videos of people getting together. Zionist - funny word )

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:37 | 4464925 El Tuco
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You're a fucking shill...Do you think this is Russia where everyone is going to believe your crap?

Putin is scared that the same thing may happen to him now. You think the Russian people don't want to taste freedom you fucking idiot?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:47 | 4464951 VD
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r u francis? what do u do for a living? who do you get your direct info from? do u realize that your hateful posts are quite transparent? please amuse us...

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:07 | 4465019 El Tuco
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Your posts are filled with shit. My attack is at your attempt to carry out an agenda of misinformation. Your attacks are at aimed an entire people.

Go suck Puties cock....Judas...


Oh and by the way...This site didn't deserve Francis....he was a beacon of truth.....

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:09 | 4465033 VD
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if that's your best, then we don't deserve you either... go play with Francis &'ll be retired shortly too..

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:17 | 4465065 El Tuco
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Listen Cum Guzzler, it's not hard to see what you're up to.

Francis sends kisses and hugs..... XXXOOO

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:22 | 4465083 VD
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u need to try a little harder cause ur lookin stoopider by the comment... & i killed Francis bitch! ur next! LOL!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:34 | 4465133 El Tuco
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Hey Victor or is it least I didn't pick the initials VD for a handle.....who's stupid now....

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:36 | 4465149 VD
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it stands for Voluminous Deposits. (of the cum YOU are guzzling LULZ!).

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:39 | 4465160 El Tuco
El Tuco's picture're so funny fucking retard....I think I hear Vlad calling you better run...

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 17:20 | 4466104 bigrooster
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Hey ZH how come your douche bag filter is not catching VD and his gay lover El Tuco?


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:08 | 4465027 Sean7k
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As are yours. Free Francis Sawyer.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:18 | 4465069 Johnny Cocknballs
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that escalated quickly.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:20 | 4465080 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Free Francis Sawyer  +100


There are so many new posters, which is a good thing, that the legend of Francis Sawyer is not understood. Francis was one crazy motherfucker and at times was hard to understand but I spent 7 years wearing a uniform so crazy ass motherfuckers like him could speak.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:49 | 4465195 RaceToTheBottom
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Thanks for the explanation....

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:29 | 4465306 Johnny Cocknballs
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respect the sentiment and the service, broseph, but the US military has not been employed to defend the Constitution since the War of 1812.

In fact, certainly in my lifetime, its been little more than an axe in the hands of a murdering thief.

And the spooks stopped working for the interests of the Republic a long, long time ago.


Cross your fingers that The Brotherhood is real. But don't be disappointed when it is not.


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:51 | 4464963 agent default
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I don't think so.  NGOs in Russia are pretty tightly controlled and monitored.   If you try to organize a coup in Russia like in Syria or the Ukraine you will be "disapeared" in the traditional Soviet manner.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:27 | 4465295 disabledvet
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well...alas...Russia is a big country after all.

Just to be there is to disappear.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:36 | 4465790 Volkodav
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Yes and no...investigated and many outside injected millions have been seized and shutdowns, but not enough.



Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:49 | 4464966 X-defiler
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Problem is that the solution may be more wreched then the problem. I completely agree that the current prez needed to be removed but the next one may need to be removed to. A country that goes too long without order in a power vacum will end up like the former Yugoslavia. This is long from over and I doubt Putin will get over thrown much like Our current prez will get over thrown. Too many guns and too many APV's...oh and Drones.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:52 | 4464972 VD
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why do you think the current prez needs to be removed?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:02 | 4465005 X-defiler
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Again, this is going by news so I have no first hand experience but it seems like there were immense amount of abuse and cooruption. That isn't to say the US or Russia doesn't. But in a less Technocratic society, revolutions are more likely because people feel that their government is reachable. In the West and Russia, the government feels beyond approach. This is not the case but it is sold that way. We will not have a "Revolution" such as this is either the US or Russia. But if we did?...well...the defabrication of the whole planet will be amazing and not too pretty.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:17 | 4465052 VD
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yes there was/is tremendous corruption for sure! for e.g. they would 'tax' SUCCESSFUL business owners from 40-60% with threat of violence: does that 'tax' rate sound familiar? certainly current prez ain't ideal, but the opposition makes him look beyond fair and just!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:56 | 4465216 JohnnyBriefcase
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You seem to have a very vested interest in swaying public opinion regarding this situation. You "know" a lot of specific details.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:08 | 4465252 negue
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VD is a shill. Want to see other shills in action? Look for posts by Volkodav and Sascha89. There are others, but these 3 are obvious. Hell, VD and Volkodav even share the same way with words...


PS Expect both your post and my answer to be downvoted, crowd around here is a Putin lover. Putin lovers from their US/W Europe couches. But they've never walked a mile in Ukrainian's shoes.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:32 | 4465782 Volkodav
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Volkodav believes in truth.

You have Ukrainian shoes?


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:06 | 4465688 Volkodav
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How much there is successful small business owners taxed? Please don't forget all taxactions, including the petty sneaked ones...

and threat of violence also...

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:25 | 4465108 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I found that I did not understand, nor do I claim to at this time, but a reading of the political history of Ukraine has help me to know this, Ukraine belongs to Russia and it will remain there.

Take a run to wiki and read about.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:28 | 4465119 VD
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Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:39 | 4465338 Tradehard
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This guy is a paid commentator hire by Kremlin. They are everywhere in Easten European Media sites. Pushing their shit. Actually the corrupt Russian party Keskerakond in Estonia got caught having commentators on the payroll. This is nothing new...

Russia wants you to thinks it's different. Still the same old soviet shit!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:37 | 4465145 Sean7k
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One, you might want to talk to a few Ukranians first. Two, mass immigration of Russian into Satellite nations was the rule, followed by mass emigrations into Russia to dilute ethnic influence. Three, never use wiki for historical citations. Four, Russia's control in the Ukraine is fairly recent and sporadic. A good European history book is useful here.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:47 | 4465193 VD
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1-4: which Ukranians have you spoken with? LOL! Russia's 'control' of the Ukraine is unquestionable. eg how many Ukranians were conscripted into the Red Army?


where do these klowns up in here come from¿¿¿

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:56 | 4465215 Sean7k
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Looks pretty questionable right now, as it did during the Soviet breakup. Are you just joopid?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 15:55 | 4465841 VD
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u and the other antisemitic assholes here will feel very proud when Putin puts an end to this after Olympics; hopefully when you are all proven wrong you can go to some other site and spew ur vitriol and ignorance.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 16:45 | 4465992 Sean7k
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I guess it's joopid then. By the way, it should be proudly anti-semetic. I can think of no higher praise.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:26 | 4465294 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I did not deny any fact you posted. Russia has been raping Ukraine forever and rapists never care. My post was irefering to the long history of political instability, which wiki does a excellent job of detailing.

I do not think Ukraine will ever be free until a few million more are killed. Hopefully this time around they will kill tens of millions of the rapists first.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:50 | 4465625 Volkodav
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Wiki is little information.

"Ukraine A History" Orest Subtlney is best book on this subject.

First and second edition cover up to 1990's and foften for less than $10 hardback. Latest edition is many times more.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:09 | 4465225 moonstears
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'Cause he borrowed from the Russians and not a central bank, duh!(/sarc?)

for the record Ron Paul says let THEM sort this shit out. Smart dude, Mr. Paul. If Texas(his state) decided to restructure itself(it's a republic within our republic, look it up), do we need Russian troops to step in? Would we not call bullshit? 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:14 | 4465469 Herodotus
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When communism fell, the Romanovs should have been restored to the throne as constitutional monarchs.  That would have provided a layer of stability for Russian democracy to proceed and develop.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:18 | 4465071 resurger
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He's not a shill. He's a cock sucking Zionist fuck. 

Let's see how things are going to improve when Ukraine enters the EU. They think they will have democracy.

Guys this is the European version of Egypt and soon Syria.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:32 | 4465314 Johnny Cocknballs
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if {Western} Ukraine actually enters the EU they will get the following prizes:

debt, 3rd world immigrants, unpayable IMF loans and onerous conditions attached thereto, NATO advisors, and ever more powerful oligarchs.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:42 | 4465587 Volkodav
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Complete takeover by non elected outsiders.

Russia policy is for cooperation with Ukraine, but gets no respect from the idiot regions opting for coming EU depradations





Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:36 | 4465327 disabledvet
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too big for the EU.

They're gonna need a couple hundred Leapord II tanks as well.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:03 | 4465009 rbg81
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My own take is that this is Obama's way of paying Putin back for embarrasing him on Syria and being anti-gay rights.  I don't believe for a minute that these protests happened w/o outside agitation.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:20 | 4465079 general ambivalent
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Definitely payback for Syria, but they don't give a shit about gay rights. They gay rights thing is simply a convenient media psyop technique and an effort at promoting discontent in Russia. In NA the only care is that gay rights contributes to a weakened citizenry. As we see in the nightly Daily Show anti-Russia jokes and the revelation that the biggest contributors to the LBGT movement are drone manufacturers.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:28 | 4465106 rbg81
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I disagree.  The LBGT movement is a major component of the deconstruction of Western civilization and religion under the banner of Globalism.  It's a bloodsport.  Anyone who thinks its merely posturing simply hasn't been paying attention.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:37 | 4465331 Johnny Cocknballs
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for fucks sake, I can't speak for all libertarians or Libertarians, but I completely reject the bullshit coming from circles about gay rights being some sinister movement to destroy us all. 

I don't think the state should even be in the marriage game, but, as it is, I completely support individual freedom to live as you choose, and that means gay marriage.  I could give a fuck what religious gasbags think.  If you don't like gay sex don't have it, but I certainly wouldn't support any government that thinks it has a right to regulate what two {or more} consenting adults do in their own bedroom.

That's the thing - a lot of people say fuck the NWO/ZWO but also say fuck the people dumb enough to believe that an omnipotent, omniscient deity wrote a shitty book.

If you think the Bible, or Torah, or Koran is divine and want to impose its mandates, as you see them, on me, you can go right ahead and fuck yourself. 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:35 | 4465561 Zero Debt
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You think of marriage as a bedroom life style issue....gosh

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:37 | 4465566 Zero Debt
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This. Plus feminism, right there at the top of destructive collectivist cultural marxism-style lies and crap from the Frankfurt school.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:33 | 4465318 Urban Redneck
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The groundwork for Ukraine was laid long before Obozo put on the clown shoes for the Syria show, but perhaps no bothered to tell him (again). Hopefully he can get a heads up (or a reach around) from CNN before the game plays out.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 02:13 | 4467273 Buck Johnson
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Svoboda (a Neo-Nazi group) not only have parliment seats but control most of the city fighting and control.  As the person said there is a power vaccum and guess what, the Neo Nazi's are going to take major control.  These idiots have made a major problem for the EU and US.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:18 | 4464863 Dr. Engali
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Yeah, now they call for early elections as the scramble to save their miserable skins. Hang them all.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:37 | 4465332 disabledvet
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The EU started it...Russia screwed it up, now the USA is gonna finish it.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 18:10 | 4466253 11b40
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Wrong. Just as in Syria, no will and no meaningful leverage.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:17 | 4464867 Truther
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Fuck you Barroso

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:21 | 4464881 no2foreclosures
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The Ukrainian Army will do what Putin tells them to do . . . after the Olympics that is.

Russia is not going to let these US/EU/CIA/NATO instigated coups to take hold next door.  Georgia 2008 is the template and if history is any indication, Putin will send in his tactical nukes as a poke in the eyes of the western insurgents already inside Ukraine: Don't fuck with me!

The past strangeholds on the flow of natural gas through Ukraine was an unequivocal signal of what Putin will or will not tolerate in Ukraine.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:08 | 4465028 resurger
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Yup ... Fuck the Euro


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:16 | 4465063 IREN Colorado
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What a crock! As if NATO has the balls to stand up to anybody, let alone Putin! "Peace in our time" days ahead. 

The Ukrainians are driving this not US or EU. God bless them, I hope they survive it. FYI, Putin is in no shape to fight a civil war in Ukraine and I seriously doubt very many of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are willing to step up on his side either. Russia won't interfere directly with its forces, except to carve out a few naval bases and some "Russian" territory. The west will look the other way on that because they are pussies.

Go Ukraine. Hang Tough!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:26 | 4465110 rbg81
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Nationalism Bitchez!!  It's what's for dinner.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 16:55 | 4466022 TahoeBilly2012
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If Putin puts this down me thinks the NWO will have to fight as they will loose face, plus all the "investment" they made to pull this off. Nope, this seems like a very dicey situation indeed, someone is going to suck eggs or maybe the Country splits which is still pretty ugly.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:24 | 4464889 Invinciblehandaxe
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Fuck dickhead Barroso, should be hanged alongside all these "peaceful" rebels

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:13 | 4465049 agent default
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Barroso is not a dickhead.  He is a (former) Maoist.  He is much more than a dickhead.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:37 | 4465330 Urban Redneck
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And he was a principal architect of the intentional EUroponzi financial crisis as means to achieving the National Socialist dream of a 4th Reich/EUSSR.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:29 | 4464901 Haus-Targaryen
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I can only hope Putin acts, and acts quickly to reverse this trend.  

I love freedom, and liberty, and am no fan of Russia, but these habitual Coup d'etats in countries where Russia has strong interests has to stop.  We keep poking them, and eventually they will poke back.   

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:46 | 4464955 Haus-Targaryen
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Who could down arrow this comment?  

Seriously, what is INCORRECT from the above?  

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:58 | 4464989 Sean7k
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I did.

Would not Putin "acting" be the same as a coup d'tat? Do you know for a certainty, that this is not a people's response to the decision to turn from the EU? 

I would love to hear some Ukranian commentors. 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:20 | 4465078 Carpenter1
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Same as Syria. Small contingent of civilian opposition backed by US funded rebels. You dont know the play book yet? 


If you can't recognize the US play book yet, you need to spend some time educating yourself on how the world really works.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:41 | 4465170 Sean7k
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You still think there is a US playbook? That is so cute. 

If you want to learn how the world works, study the zionist/illuminati nexus. The US is a tool, just like Russia, Europe and China. 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:11 | 4465260 nmewn
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Obama can't even find his own ass using both hands and you expect him to use a playbook?

This shit started (in earnest) when Putins stooge (Yanukovych) had Tymoshenko arrested. Before that it was suspected that former president Kuchma had Gongadze (a journalist) murdered for publishing the widespread corruption within the country and Yanukovych is nothing more than what Kuchma was.

See Orange Revolution.

So now, Putin comes in and offers to buy practically all of the Ukraines sovereign debt...because he's what...a good banker type guy? Wants to save the Ukraine from evil?

Fucking please.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:56 | 4465394 IREN Colorado
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Putin is a KGB pig. Stalin, Lennin, Putin, no difference except he hasn't had a chance to kill 100 million of his own citizens yet. Lord knows he is trying though............

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:49 | 4465200 11b40
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So many of the conflictsaround the world are a long-term result of fat white Euro-centric politicians carving arbitray lines on a map and calling them countries.  The 'victors' drew the boundries to reap the rewards, and the results assure ongoing conflict and strife in those countires.

As stated in the article, "Divide Ukraine along the historical language faultline and there is a chance to calm things down.Otherwise, this will flare up and take others with it."

I was immediately reminded of my very recent post suggesting we start dealing with reality, where I said: " Ukraine is in a bad place, a place not of our making, and it's not for us to ride to the "rescue".  The best solution there is to split the country.  Otherwise, Mother Russia will prevail, no matter how many new lines in the sand America draws."

The more you learn, the more obvious it becomes that the conflict and agony are not mere accidents, but part of a grand scheme played out in the shadows.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:43 | 4465354 disabledvet
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those are Russians on Ukrainian property now.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:35 | 4464922 Berspankme
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That cunt Barrosso needs to be taken out, hung from a lamp post testicles removed and stuffed in his mouth

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:46 | 4464958 Aaronson.Jones....
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I'm no fan, but that seems harsh. No need to put the testes in the mouth, no need.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:40 | 4464934 Sean7k
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From the comments, it appears ZH has gone jewish bolshevik. Interesting. By the way, the Nazi's were the only ones that were willing to fight the jewish bolsheviks. England, the US both folded and accepted them as masters. How's that working out?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:52 | 4464973 agent default
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What makes you say that?

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:00 | 4465001 Sean7k
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A study of history.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:08 | 4465029 mofreedom
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Communism first, genocide and religion are distractions.

I am above the natural law, I AM GOD, and no laws apply to me!!!

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:10 | 4465040 agent default
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I meant ZH going bolshevik?  I would say we have plenty of conservatives and right wingers, probably even more anarchocapitalists, and a few batshit crazy bitcoiners but going bolshevik???

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:18 | 4465070 Sean7k
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At the time I wrote that comment, every comment had been derisive of the protestors and implied a neo-nazi stigma. Typical jewish bolshevik propaganda. The tide appears to be turning, at least I hope it is. It is very disturbing to think otherwise, though it could explain the paucity of intelligence of late.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:42 | 4465157 general ambivalent
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There are no more Bolsheviks, and when they were around they were not very friendly to the Jewish people. Ever here of Berdychev?

"In early 1919, the Jews of Berdychiv became victims of a pogrom and in 1920 the advancing Soviet troops destroyed most of the city by the artillery fire."

Further, much of the 'Jewish Bolshevism' was propaganda coming from the White Armies and Western anti-revolutionary efforts.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:47 | 4465187 Sean7k
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Funny. Do a study of the top bolshevik postions, it is overwhelmingly Jewish. See, "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglass Reed. Zionists were the initators of pogroms to maintain control over their people. Bolshevik communism is now the rule in almost every nation on earth (local varieties). 

Go back to your zionist hole.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:38 | 4465336 no2foreclosures
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"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolsheviks, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism." - Jewish Chronicle, April 4. 1919

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:49 | 4465375 disabledvet
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here was the Russian planning "post war" while in the war:

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:24 | 4465520 Volkodav
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Soviet...not Russian

From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:47 | 4465370 Johnny Cocknballs
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for fuck's sake...  the early bolsheviks were very disproportionately Jewish in a country where they were under 5% of the pop.  They were financed with money from Jewish bankers.  Stalins purges killed a lot of Jewish leaders, not because he targetted them but because there were so many Jews at the top...

The propaganda and the whitewash is that the Bolsheviks weren't dominated by Jews.  Churchill wrote of it, French diplomats wrote of it, priests wrote of it, people sent to the gulags...

Putin actually said as much before a group of Jews.

and naturally, the hasbara brigade rolls out the "antisemite" card.

The number of Jews in the early Bolshevik leadership was significantly more than their percentage of the population.

Start with who killed the Czar...


Tired of this judeo bolshevism denial.  It's fuckin' basically true, if sometimes overstated.


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:50 | 4465377 disabledvet
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well...the Russians are in Syria now so all is forgiven.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:22 | 4465511 Volkodav
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Russians have relations with Syria for long time..thousands of Russian Syrian marriages.

Russia is welcome friend.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:59 | 4464993 TahoeBilly2012
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GREAT! We are proud owners of National Debt levels of over 100% to GDP and out telling other Countries how they could be so lucky as get in the same deal.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:04 | 4465011 Sean7k
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Does the Ukraine not have the same debt levels?  Do they not have a central bank? Do they not use fiat currency? Are they not run by the same zionist/illuminati nexus we are? 

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:18 | 4465492 Volkodav
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Not as high as US.....

World Debt Comparison  Global Debt Clock  Economist

Please note that much demonized Belarus is cutting debt...

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:42 | 4465588 Zero Debt
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Sadly a lot of Americans equate Hitler with total evil. But now that the marxists are at their doorstep, nobody else is there to fight for them! Oh the irony! Pick sides more carefully next time!

"First, they came for the Finns, and we did nothing. Then, they came for the Germans, and we did nothing." ...etc..

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 14:54 | 4465640 Sean7k
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That's what happens when you win. You get to write history.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:49 | 4464965 Miss Expectations
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That's some map...the Northern part of Ukraine gives up the Black Sea.


Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:05 | 4465241 11b40
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....and anyone who thinks Russia is giving an inch on the Black Sea is delusional.

Just as anyone who actually understod the value of Russia's port in Syria, the need to 'protect' Russia's grip on European energy supplies, and the relationship with Assad, knew Putin would not back away from defending him from the rebel insurgents (i.e. American/Israeli muppets).

I truly feel sorry for the people of Ukraine, as I do all people caught up in a war zone (which is what I fear we are about to see there), but elephants are dancing, and the mice need to hide as best they can.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 13:05 | 4465242 11b40
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....and anyone who thinks Russia is giving an inch on the Black Sea is delusional.

Just as anyone who actually understod the value of Russia's port in Syria, the need to 'protect' Russia's grip on European energy supplies, and the relationship with Assad, knew Putin would not back away from defending him from the rebel insurgents (i.e. American/Israeli muppets).

I truly feel sorry for the people of Ukraine, as I do all people caught up in a war zone (which is what I fear we are about to see there), but elephants are dancing, and the mice need to hide as best they can.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 11:58 | 4464986 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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To summarize current situation in Ukraine, everyone is in charge, but no one is responsible.


edit: Yulia Tymoshenko has been released.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:17 | 4465067 pot_and_kettle
Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:03 | 4465010 Atomizer
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Blueprint for Action: A Future Worth Creating


Read the books to see the truths & half-truths. You’ll understand the broader picture. Which comes directly back to Central planners & policy maker’s meeting an agenda for the BIS

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:04 | 4465013 Jack Sheet
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I would be intrigued to learn what supposedly uniquely qualifies "Martin Armstrong" to comment on the Ukraine. Since he got out of jail he seems obsessed with predicting the future of the world using what looks like a Commodore C64 computer and writing 50 page essays on Roman coinage.

Sat, 02/22/2014 - 12:33 | 4465138 Atomizer
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Because all societies prior, have been built on the same foundation. You just haven't been exposed to the entire social/economic development model aka black leather book. What goes up, always collapse’s in the end.

Another reformed system is put in place to promise new gatekeepers to avoid passed mishaps. It’s all the same system integration set up for failure. New faces appear to alleviate confusion or concern. This is why we reference the financial institute as the matrix.

The Architect

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