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The Constitution Failed

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Submitted by Ryan McMaken via Mises Economic blog,

If you’re still wondering if the US Constitution of 1787 failed to protect liberty, then just look around you. That scrap of parchment is an obvious failure. The US government is the hugest government in the world and meddles in the lives of its citizens (and people worldwide) in every way imaginable. The government accepts no limits on its power whatsoever. The president rules by decree.

This isn’t done under some new constitution. This is all done under the 1787 one. Lots of liberty activists argue that the Supreme Court is just reading the document incorrectly, but one simply cannot deny that virtually everyone in government, as well as most of the general population, is perfectly fine with most of what government does today, and thinks it’s constitutional. If one can plausibly claim that the constitution authorizes most of what the US government does today, then the document’s language is obviously feeble, ineffective, and useless for the purposes of preserving liberty.

Even among those “constitutionalist” types, many of whom are militarists, you’ll find plenty of support for unconstitutional measures such as a standing army, drug prohibition, and other government programs beloved by conservatives, but which are obviously not authorized by the enumerated powers of the constitution.

Rothbard had this figured out a long time ago:

From any libertarian, or even conservative, point of view, it has failed and failed abysmally; for let us never forget that every one of the despotic incursions on man’s rights in this century, before, during and after the New Deal, have received the official stamp of Constitutional blessing.

At a recent meeting of Students for Liberty, John Stossel spoke to some students of Rothbard:

Kelly Kidwell, a sophomore from Tulane University, said, “Regardless of what its intent was, we still have the (big) government that we have now — so the Constitution has either provided for that government, or failed to prevent it.”

Stossel went on:

That’s an argument that libertarian economist Murray Rothbard used to make. He took the pessimistic view that the Constitution’s “limited government” was an experiment that had already failed, since 200 years later, government was barely limited at all. He concluded that libertarians should be not just constitutionalists, but anarchists — get rid of government completely.

 

That idea sounds extreme to me, and to some libertarians at the conference — not to mention the few pro-big-government speakers, like movie director Oliver Stone. But I’m happy that students ask those sorts of questions rather than wondering which regulations to pass, what to tax and whom to censor for “insensitive” speech.

 UPDATE: A reader points out this statement from Lysander Spooner: 

But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain — that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.

 

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Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:04 | 4467883 NoDebt
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The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.  We have not been vigilant for quite some time.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:10 | 4467897 SheepRevolution
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The Constitution did not fail. "We The People" did.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:20 | 4467929 RockyRacoon
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It appears that the tree of liberty didn't get fed well enough with the appropriate nourishment:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson

Now it's a bit late since the STATE has gained the upper hand in controlling the fertilizer.  At this point the tree must be cut down and fashioned into the lumber for a gallows.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:25 | 4467956 johnQpublic
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all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

 

but bad men always seem ready to stand up to the plate

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:33 | 4467979 Chupacabra-322
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They're all involved in an elaborate scheme based on contrat law & Criminal deceit to Fraud The American People by CONSENT (Black Law's Dictionary) & being an accessory to the deceit & Criminal Fraud by contracting with the Criminal State.
We are "Governed" into a Political, Educational, Religious & Economic UNITED STATES, CORP based on contract law which is based on Criminal Fraud, deceit & illusion.

The Private Corp UNITED STATES, CORP uses the cover of being a functional Government when in reality they are not. Much like the Criminal Federal Reserve uses The "Federal" in their name & use it as cover to give the illusion that they are a branch of the US Government when they are not.

Through bankruptcies, Criminal Contract Fraud & deceit the Charlatans have incrementally incorporated the US as well as your souls (birth cert) which are securitized via the Criminal Federal Reserve through to the IMF.

They're functioning off corporate version of the THE CONSTITUTION. It's the reason why The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate continues to lie, cheat, deceit, rape & pillage with impunity.

The only power the have over you is with CONSENT (Black Law's Dictionary). Pay no Taxes. Peaceful Non-Participation, Non-Compliance & being an accessory into their Criminal system/s based on Criminal Fraud, Debt Bondage & Enslavement.

Look. It's there parchment! There's 2 Constitutions, one from 1776, one from the Act of 1871. One says for the united states. The other says OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.

They removed the organic language from the 13th Amendment of 1776 which Gaurenteed our individual rights and replaced the whole amendment in the forgery look alike.

Please tell me your aware of this? Search Trading with the Enemy Act also. That proves we lost the Constitution a long time ago, we practice commerce, that's it.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:39 | 4467999 LawsofPhysics
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Don't overthink this folks.  So long as fraud is the status quo, possession will be the law, period.

Nothing changes until there are real consequences for bad behavior, at all levels of society.  Eventually, that which cannot be sustained, won't be, and the "rebalancing" will be horriffic as the laws of physics and Nature really don't give a shit who lives or dies in the end.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:41 | 4468008 dizzyfingers
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LawsofPhysics Upvote for clear-eyed common sense.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:47 | 4468025 zerozulu
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Once you borrow money, you have no rights left....

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:23 | 4468126 Anusocracy
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The Constitution is a symptom, the failure is the existence of government.

Because man is intellectually or genetically incapable of embracing the end of government, he is laying the groundwork for his own end.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:34 | 4468145 max2205
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Its all the Supreme Courts fault...bought blackmailed and paid for

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:43 | 4468179 Anusocracy
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The American Public: full of True Believers with the mindset of an abused wife that knows she can fix her abusive husband.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:13 | 4468251 mjcOH1
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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

 

"The people made the Constitution, and the people can unmake it. It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will.” - John Marshall

"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it." -Learned Hand "

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:37 | 4468339 jbvtme
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the bad news is this is exactly what the new world order folks want...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:43 | 4468361 Boris Alatovkrap
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COTUS is not feeble, but unread citizenry is feeble in skillful hand of political power organ. Entire thesis of article is operate on false consumption.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:41 | 4468552 SafelyGraze
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the problem is that the constitution is not strong enough

I demand a convention

we shall make it even stronger and better

hugs,
alex "feddie" hamilton   

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4468639 Stackers
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"Mr. Franklin, what did you get us?"

"A Republic ....... if you can keep it"

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 20:51 | 4469213 New England Patriot
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To sum this article up:

"The Constitution failed because the people failed it." 

Right. 

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 09:38 | 4470391 Bendromeda Strain
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"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, They may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies."

John Adams, letter to Zabdiel Adams 6/21/1776

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:51 | 4468395 Anusocracy
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Sunday read.

Gateway to an Altered Landscape:
Law in a Free Nation

by Richard O. Hammer

http://www.freenation.org/a/f61h2.html

Outline
INTRODUCTION
SECURITY AGENCIES
MURDEROUS OSTRACISM WILL REPLACE COERCION TO ENFORCE LAW
Admission to Streets Will Be a Private Choice
Basic Essentials May Be Denied to Suspects
Suspects Can Be Stripped of Protection
THE STATE BECOMES A STATE OF MIND
A BILL OF RIGHTS WILL HAVE NO EFFECT IN A FREE NATION
No Freedom of Speech
No Right to Trial by Jury
No Right to Remain Silent
No Presumption of Innocence Until Proven Guilty
No Right To Be Informed of the Charges Against You
No Equality Before the Law
NEW MOUNTAINS RISE UPON THE HORIZON
Some "Equality Before the Law" Does Exist
The Rock of Reality Anchors Free Nation Law
The Economics Which Take People to Court
The Power in Precedent Shrinks As the Power in Contract Grows
Law Expressed Through Gradiations of Permissions
CONCLUSION

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 03:41 | 4470034 X_mloclaM
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yuh he'd know: "The people made the Constitution, and the people can unmake it. It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will.” - John Marshall

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 17:58 | 4472461 o2sd
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"It's just a goddamn piece of paper." - George W. Bush

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:16 | 4468275 tongue.stan
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"They", the ones who are/have been shitting upon the Constitution, 

Have acquired Immunity from punishment for their gangsterism

Through an elaborate system of secret rituals and profane oaths,

So that they no longer fear any consequences for their defecations.

Once the immunity has been removed, the Constitution can be restored.

Unfortunately, the present set of actors within government cannot be involved

in the rehabilitation of it. The entire personnel of it must be removed,

like the removal of a cancer that has metasticized. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:18 | 4468278 Lost Word
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The Constitution did not fail,

We the people failed to elect representatives who would keep their oath of office to the Constitution,

and the representatives failed to keep their oath to the Constitution,

and Law Enforcement and Justice Department and the Military have failed to keep their oath to the Constitution,

and the "Fourth Estate" Establishment News Media have failed to defend the Constitution,

and We the people have failed to fight for the Constitution, and failed to start a People's Revolution and overthrow the Government tyranny.

I well remember how the so-called Militia movement failed at the Waco Texas Government tyranny attack.

Every failure leads to more tyranny.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:00 | 4468236 Johnny Cocknballs
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chaos is more powerful than order.  One match can burn down an entire forest.

Anarchism fails not merely because of human nature, but because of entropy.

As soon as one person figures out that they can derive an advantage by deviating from the norms which substitute for 'laws' a little chaos is introduced in the system, and it will spread, because of self-interest.  It will spread for several reasons, not least of which is psychological - sometimes called "broken windows theory"  Anarchists are inconsistent in their deliberations about human nature - claiming on the one hand that humans, by nature, desire maximum freedom and are self-interested, but denying that, on the other, some people will always be willing to lie, cheat, or use violence to get ahead.

 

Limited government is a compromise. The Constitution as written is actually quite good.  What has expanded federal power, which this author wholly ignore, and as did Rothbard, who was not, in any case, a legal scholar, was case law.  

In other words - what has failed is casuistry... with successive 'interpretations' of 'interpretations' the law as applied, the deciisonal law of cases grew further and further from the tree.

Trim the tree.  Simply promote the axiomatic idea that any case law which conflicts with the plain language of the Constitution is null and void.  This means ignoring stare decisis which is not a Constitutional doctrine anyway.  It would be like jurisprudential jury nullification.

 

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:19 | 4468286 Overfed
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That sounds like an excellent solution, too bad it will happen right after the monkeys start flying out of my butt. TPTB have no interest in liberty for us peons, and they have all of the liberty that they can buy. I'm now firmly in the roll the mutherfukin' guillotines camp.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:41 | 4468359 Anusocracy
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I agree with your sentiments. but they are based on how society is now organized.

Man has learned, wisely, to keep savage animals separate from his society, but he has not learned to keep savage animals that are members of H. sapiens out of society. In fact, they are often embraced.

So government, made up of these savages, surely wants these (including themselves) 'human' savage animals in society so as to scare the weak minded into submitting to government security. Those so scared include just about everyone.

We do not live in a bottleneck period of man's history where there were maybe as few as 500 people on earth and extinction was a real threat. There are 7+ billion people alive and absolutely no need to tolerate those that still are animals.

It is time for assortive living.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:54 | 4468400 Stoploss
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'interpretations'

 

Funny, how that word is not present in the Constitution, no?

That is because it was not meant to be "interpreted".

Interpretation is an acronym for destroy, or to deconstruct. That definition was struck long ago.

The Constitution has only one enemy, and that enemy, is the word, Interpretation..

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:57 | 4468413 Sean7k
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Anarchism must imply the elimination of written law, not just the elimination of government. Rothbard was wrong here. There can be no law to enforce, thus no means to gain influence and advantage. This includes no legal ownership of property, as well.

Rules must be local and voluntary. No protection for criminals. No protection from risk. Life on the raggedy edge. The Constitution  and other attempts will ALWAYS fail, not because of the People, but because it will always be subject to manipulation and influence. Once you guarantee protection, you create a means to subvert the process. Politicians and judges are bought or blackmailed or threatened. Votes are bought. Langage is changed and emergencies created to allow for special considerations and exceptions, i.e. the tyranny of Lincoln, the Patriot act, The confiscation of gold, Martial law, The Federal Reserve, etc, etc, etc.

Anarchism is not a perfect system, but this tyranny we live under now is much worse. 

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:21 | 4468490 Johnny Cocknballs
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Those who don't carry swords can still die upon them. 

Anarchy such as you describe needs rules to avoid total chaos and a "might makes right" ethics.

To my knowledge, anarchists don't advocate a return to pure natural law, red in tooth in claw...

so they cheat a little and admit that 'some rules' are needed.  Well, who enforces them? 

You have a rule against rape and theft, but someone decides to do it anyway.  Or instead of one person it is 10.  Or a hundred.  They don't care about the unwritten rules.  In fact, there are no rules... the law is "do what thou wilt".

To resist this destructive force, people would need to organize.  There would need to be training.  specialization.  hierarchy.

Where do you go when a big company pollutes your water with no government?  The examples are endless where what you call a society without rules ends up developing them.  that's called government, whether you want to admit of it or not.

But when you have rules, and a willingness to adhere to them... the key point...what you have is a contract between that government and the People, who retain the right to void it for infractions.. those making or enforcing rules are elected.  This is a constitutional republic.

It's what we had.  It's what we should regain.  It didn't fail - the American people did.  If you want to count angels on the head of a pin, that is your right, but apart from not working in practice, anarchism is simply not going to happen.  There's an outside shot a restored Republic could.  One of limited government, enumerated powers, and a system which is legitimate only when it comports with the Will and Consent of the governed. 

Anarchy might well be better ideally - but we do not live in an ideal world.  We live in a world where some people are violent, or dishonest, or simply insane.  Rules would be necessary, so would the need to enforce them for them to be rules in practice... without express limits and a conception of the legitimacy of this power it becomes might makes right.

Temper your idealism with some pragmatism, or you'll end up with extremism.

;o]

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:00 | 4468581 Sean7k
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Excuse me, where is this world you talk about without rape or corporate pollution? Do we not already have might makes right, except we can't fire back? Why would we not have swords? 

Why would there be no training? Or specialization? Has economics disappeared? Do people not continue to exchange goods and services? 

Society will create rules, but without the power of coercion. This makes them voluntary.

The People didn't fail, they were duped and fooled. Law allows that. You cannot expect everyone to be a legal expert. It is contracts that are the problem. People do not need laws to make agreements.

Anarchy is better, it is not ideal, but life is not ideal. Fooling people into believing they can have this ideal society is what ends up enslaving them. It is a false assurance. 

Rules are useful, but not necessary. How necessary a rule is will be proven by how necessary it isn't.

We already have extremism, a system of slavery so absolute, the whole world lies in chains. This is the end result of law, law practiced for five thousand years.

You have been fooled into believeing what you lose will be greater than what will be gained.

Look at nature, pure chaos and the only force that disturbs it is man and his laws. We are attempting to live as man determines rather than how nature created us. Those men are the ones that have enslaved us. Liberty is our natural state- it is not safe nor secure nor ideal, but we are free to live the best way we know how and to enjoy the total fruits of our labors. Pragmatism is the first link in the chain that will bind you.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:04 | 4468618 Johnny Cocknballs
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" Pragmatism is the first link in the chain that will bind you."

You might, respectfully, want to think about this claim a little.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:38 | 4468696 Sean7k
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I tear your whole argument apart and this is what you hold on to? What is pragmatism? Compromise. Just how did we lose our liberty? By accepting a long line of compromises. Yes, pragmatism hints at sensebility, but where has sensebility got us?

Living without law sounds extreme, but the reality is the opposite. 

The Elites would have us believe that the laws protect US, but the reality is, they protect THEM. The criminals. What happened to DuPont when he murdered the wrestler- declared crazy, released this year. What happens when a banker breaks the law? Fine without admission of guilt. Corzine. How are monopolies and cartels empowered to steal? Government regulation and awards. The Federal Reserve- nuff said. See a pattern here? The Justice system chooses whom to protect and whom to destroy. Taxes- that's working out well. 

If no one OWNS anything, what are you going to take? If you can't carry it, you're out of luck. Will there be violence? Absolutely. Been to Chicago or Detroit lately? Want to cruise Crenshaw? 

Most people want to get along. If they know their security depends on them, they will organize, but they can't afford to create armies or weapons of mass destruction. The US army could hardly hold three cities in Iraq. So, there will be bandits, but the Government is an everyday bandit. Wall street is an everyday bandit. The banks are an everyday bandit. However, without protection, service providers have a reason to keep customers happy.

It is a tough place to think through to, it has taken me years of study, but once the fog clears, it is quite beautiful outside.

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 21:34 | 4469343 StychoKiller
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Even so, the World is populated with the Ignorati, they're nowhere near intelligent enough for Anarchy!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:28 | 4469686 Sean7k
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Your kind of a buzzkill Stycho, has anyone told you that before?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:14 | 4469978 mumbo.jumbo
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i agree Sean7k, except with your sentiment that anarchy implies the giving up of property rights.

 

anarchy literally means no rulers (look up the etymology). any reasonable human society requires the respect and enforcement of property rights (both in my body and in the fruit of my labor and voluntary exchanges), but it's naiive to think that only the state can do that... someone who claims the right to take your property will never protect your property, pretty much by definition. but people voluntarily organizing can also enforce property rights.

 

all you need is a web of agreements where it's more expensive to violate the agreements than to cooperate and create wealth. and that can happen with a human livestock that rediscovers rational ethics that has been so effectively been destroyed by compulsory schooling and mass media.

 

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order, and in the assertion that, without authority, there could not be worse violence than that of authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that Anarchy can be instituted by a revolution. "To establish Anarchy." "Anarchy will be instituted." But it will be instituted only by there being more and more people who do not require protection from governmental power, and by there being more and more people who will be ashamed of applying this power.”

— Leo Tolstoy (1828–1910), 'On Anarchy' (Pamphlets: Translated from the Russian, 1896)

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 08:56 | 4470241 Sean7k
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Historically, there are over twenty variations on anarchy, consult the history. However, I think the absence of law is implied, for what is the State if not a legal organization?

In order to have property rights, there must be a means of protecting and delineating them. As long as this does not include laws and judicial oversight of any means, then what we are really talking about is possession. This is much different from what Rothbard and anarcho captalism have detailed. Rights need no law or contract to exist nor do they require enforcement. They are ephemral, at best, and should rely on cooperation and respect. You hint at this problem with your words, "web of agreements". I don't need your agreement, I need your respect.

To work a farm does not need property rights, merely possession. To hold a group of goods for sale, likewise. Unfortunately, any written law, that allows enforcement will merely let the wolf in through the back door.

As for Tolstoy, he is correct to fear anarchy by revolution. Anarchy is and should be non-violent in everyway. Revolution is the tool of the talmudists/zionists. Anarchy requires we do one thing, withdraw our acceptance.

Finally, "any reasonable human society" is not an argument. More like something Napolean, the pig, would have added to the chalk board. A Tiger has territory, it possesses it. It is not handed down. American Indians were amused (then horrified) when colonists wanted to buy their land. How could you own the earth? When the Tiger can no longer possess it, it is passed on to another. It may be its' cub or another creature all together.

"Rights" are a con. They do not exist. They are a justification for law, which in turn, is a means to enslave. 

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 09:19 | 4470341 tip e. canoe
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+1 for the Tolstoy quote

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:32 | 4468525 TheReplacement
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Ok let's do it your way.  I get the nukes.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:57 | 4468594 Sean7k
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Then what? Blow yourself up? That is so poorly thought out, it is hilarious. Carry it on a horse? Maybe a truck? Threaten whom? The town next door? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:29 | 4468681 Tall Tom
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I will take the Biological Weapons. (Actually I am a walking Biological Weapon Laboratory anyway....Plum Island Genetically Modified Lyme Disease)

 

Never mind. I already have them as I am a host.

 

So now all I need is some Deer Ticks and I will be off to the schools in the Town next door...

 

He who laughs last laughs best.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:45 | 4468722 Sean7k
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That's another great choice. So, you kill everybody off, then what? Grab the gold? Then what? Create an extinction event? We already are suffering from the greatest MANMADE slow death event in history (Cancer, Immune diseases, autoimmune, etc), we just aren't in control, but we are allowed to pay for it. 

He who laughs last, laughs alone.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 22:43 | 4469566 TuPhat
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Ha, Ha, Ha

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:55 | 4468049 sunnyside
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"Nothing changes until there are real consequences for bad behavior, at all levels of society."

 

This statement should be at the conclusion of every article posted, whether it be about Washington, Wall Street, or Detroit.


 


Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:39 | 4468158 Anusocracy
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That's a very big part of the current problem: government decides what bad behavior is and what, if any, punishment.

The result is who guards the guardians? When you allow government to exist, the answer is always government.

So from its inception, government is a failure that can't be remediated.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 20:43 | 4469196 cynicalskeptic
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EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE LAW is sorely lacking

an THAT is the problem.

 

Insider trading is illegal - except for members of Congress, who with few exceptions leave office far richer than when they took office.

Someone walking into a bank and stealing a few hundred dollars will face severe punishment.  Any consequences yet for MF Global's theft of hundreds of millions in customer funds?

If you or I kidnap someone, detain them and torture them - even IF they are guilty of a crime - we will be prosecuted for violations of the law.  Yet the state and its representatives can do so without consequence.

Low level drug dealers are sent to prison for life under draconian laws yet those who arrange for MASSIVE drug smuggling using government means get Presidential pardons (IF caught)

You are guaranteed prison time if you violate firearms laws yet our government provides military grade weapons to drug cartels without consequences.

and the list goes on...........

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:11 | 4468459 TheReplacement
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The laws of physics and Nature mean that everyone does die in the end, or even before.  Everyone dies.  Everyone.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:37 | 4468538 Lost Word
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Physical Death?

Spiritual Death?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 18:07 | 4468792 Angus McHugepenis
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Slip a cunt over your head and fuck some sense into yourself. As I mentioned in another post, think like a BANKSTER if you want to enjoy your time on Earth. Here's a few pointers from the BANKSTER RULE BOOK:

- Fuck everyone, no empathy or sympathy.

- Steal everything (see #1).

- Start to panic when there are no more slaves to steal from.

- Jump off JPMs London building or have a nail gun accident.

- If you are Jamie Dimon, then you have nowhere to hide. We are coming for you first... before you can kill yourself.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:28 | 4468134 Angus McHugepenis
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Chupacabra-322: You're on a roll brother! CONSENT is a CONTRACT. Silence is also CONSENT. Wish I could give you a million greenies on all your posts!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:11 | 4468455 Chupacabra-322
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I'm the MAN! Definitely Trolls / Sock Puppets on this Thread.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:40 | 4468548 Angus McHugepenis
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Chupa: Don't worry about the down arrow trolls. Your info was spot-on. Keep info coming in little bits so the sheep can absorb what you are saying without too much loss of attention span.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:06 | 4468246 lincolnsteffens
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By your consent you have agreed.  When you "register" to vote you are sweaaring that you are a "US Person". The probliem is almost no one has any idea what that means legally. There are many legal definitions of "person" in law. There are also three definitions of United States. You just assumed it applies to you and you were never explained what it meant. I'll tell you what it means-

YOU HAVE JUST SWORN YOU ARE ANY KIND OF "PERSON" THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVENMENT WANT YOU TO BE FOR THEIR PURPOSES!  YOU HAVE DECLARED AND CHANGED YOUR STATUS FROM SOVEREIGN TO A SUBJECT AS DESCRIBED IN THE 14TH AMENDMANT TO THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION TO GOVERN THE FEDERAL DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

Now you only have "Civil Rights" granted by the government of the "body politic" and the Corporate State. You just gave up you inherent unalienable rights set in stone by the Constitution of the United States of America. Now you are a corporate citizen, a legal fiction person.

American Constitution says you have the unlimited right to contract and you did just that. You signed a contract without understanding it and it was never explained to you for "nefarious reasons". This is known as FRAUD.

FIRST STEP TO FREEDOM IS TO REVOKE YOU VOTER REGISTRATION.  Now you can begin to claim all your human rights for yourself. "If people expect to be ignorant and remain free, they can expect to have what never was and never will be."

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:24 | 4468305 Lost Word
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Failure to vote at the ballot box will fix nothing,

unless you are willing to vote with the bullet box.

Government votes with the bullet box.

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:28 | 4468312 August
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>>>FIRST STEP TO FREEDOM IS TO REVOKE YOU VOTER REGISTRATION.  Now you can begin to claim all your human rights for yourself.

Do NOT forget to exempt yourself, as a special, insightful person who will not be duped, from federal income taxes. 

The federal courts and law enforcement will back off, with egg on their faces, when they finally realize that you were right all along.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:49 | 4468562 Angus McHugepenis
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FIRST STEP TO FREEDOM IS TO REVOKE YOU VOTER REGISTRATION.  Now you can begin to claim all your human rights for yourself. "If people expect to be ignorant and remain free, they can expect to have what never was and never will be."

You didn't need all that preamble. Just tell it like it is as per you last statement above.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:07 | 4468623 Hobbleknee
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They sent all the brave ones off to die in wars.  Now all that's left is armchair warriors.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 18:25 | 4468829 Lord Wakefield
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They sent all the brave ones off to die in wars.  Now all that's left is armchair warriors.

Very true my firend, thats the problem with todays western society. Too many brave mens genes died on the battlefields of Europe. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 20:28 | 4469159 Angus McHugepenis
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Not anymore. We're coming for the banksters and others. Believe me, we are coming for them.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:36 | 4467971 HyBrasilian
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@SheepRevolution

~~~

Fucking "A" right!

On that note... It's started... Coming in 5...4...3...2... will be a 24/7 campaign to paint the Constitution as 'worthless' & outdated... Those who will do the 'painting' will be the KLEPTO CLASS that has evolved [by nuisance ~ & incrementally] over the past 200+ years [300+ if you include the British Monarchy]...

 

The main players are already in place... [& they are rallied on by the 'node occupiers' in]:


- MSM

- BANKING

- POLITICAL ACTIVISM

- JURISPRUDENCE

 

Look for mathematically IMPOSSIBLE asymmetries, imbedded within those power nodes, to reveal the TRUTH...

 

It's THAT issue which needs to be addressed FACE TO FACE... The rest is a fart in the wind...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:41 | 4468005 Chupacabra-322
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It should come as no surprise that judges don't know the Constitution based on Anglo Saxon Common Law of 1776, when in-fact the Constitution is not actually used or recognized in the court system we now suffer under today.

What this and every other judge is now administrating under is not Constitutional Law, that recognizes our God-given Rights but, contractual commercial law known as: International Uniform Commercial Code (UCC).
You are assumed to be "corporate property of USA Inc." when you enter the courtroom.

Research: "America Is A Corporation".

If you have been following my many posts on this vital issue you will know that the court system is actually a private foreign owned corporation that is owned and controlled from the Financial District of London City, England.
When you step into any courtroom in America, you are on private foreign owned property and they must trick you to consenting to fall under their foreign corporate fraudulent court system.

Corporations can only legally recognize or interface with other corporations under UCC. Every American since 1933, has been "corporatized" as a corporation whether you realize it or not.

Never sign in on a docket, or ever give verbal consent in any way to any person in the courtroom. This is considered a valid contractual agreement between you and the court system.

Your attorney is also an officer of the court system and does not ultimately represent you but the court system.

The only words that should ever come out of your mouth are: " I demand Common Law jurisdiction" then walk out and do not stop. Never say anything else.

Why? Because, you are in a commercial courtroom that does not recognize Common Law, therefore it can not proceed against you because, you did not consent to its jurisdiction and authority under UCC.

The police and court system could never get away with what they are doing if the American People were educated in law and what you're actual rights are.

Everything they are doing is a complete fraud under lies, threat, and mis-representation.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:43 | 4468013 Chupacabra-322
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98% of the Law Schools in America and England do not include Constitutional Law as a part of their law curriculum. The reason for this phenomenon is because Constitutional Law does not apply to or affect the enforcement of statutes, codes or administrative regulations, which have replaced constitutional law, the common law, public law and penal law and which have been designed to control you; [e.g.] Constitutional Law is taught as an elective at Harvard, Yale and Cambridge, and only for students of law who are planning a future career in government.

All of our federally elected officials, appointed administrators, federal police and Judges; receive their paychecks through the Office of Personnel Management. OPM is a division of the International Monetary Fund, which is owned by the Rockefeller and Rothschild families and their Banking Empires, which operates in tandem with the United Nations.

Is it ever a wonder why Attorney's hold a Title of British Nobility after their names called Esq.?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:02 | 4468071 HyBrasilian
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What? :-)

~~~

U mean like the:

"Act of 1871"

February 21, 1871

Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:04 | 4468077 Chupacabra-322
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Exactly!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:44 | 4468137 HyBrasilian
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Yeah ~ well, 'Bolsheviks' made life miserable for Tsar of Russia back in the day [once upon a time]... In the end ~ it helped to DESTABILIZE the world towards:

~~~

- 2 World Wars [eventually]

- The emergence of an endlessly funded "MIC" [off the backs of the ~ to be DESTROYED ~ middle class] ~ including subdivisions upon subdivisions, [mostly staffed ~ in $100k jobs ~ by "INSERT MATHEMATICAL STAFFING ASYMMETRY & IDENTIFICATION HERE"]...

- The fulfillment of 'The BALFOUR DECLARATION'

- The [after failed attempts [vis-a-vis- 'Treaty of Versailles']... UNITED NATIONS... Who ~ is committed to a program of 'EUGENICS'... in the name of... aforesaid 'ASYMMETRIES', & which is MOST represented by the ratification, in 1948, under duress, the... Now to be known as the nation state ~ NO WAIT ~ 'APARTHEID STATE of ISRAEL']...

- Cancelling the 'Bretton Woods' accord...

- Cancelling 'Glass~Steagall'...

- 9/11 Code name for neverending 'WAR ON TERROR'... [so as to create "K" St. jobs & fund a lotta 'BOOZ ALLEN' paychecks]...

- QE to infinity [Yeah... THAT QE... Brought to you by Greenspan~Bernanke~Yellen]...

I repeat my previous question...

'WHO' were these BOLSHEVIKS anyway? [as in ~ 'ethnicity']... Just a bunch of wacky freedom fighters I suppose... I KNOW... Because there were a lot of Hollywood movies to tell me about it... & as we all know...

 

- Hollywood

- MSM

- Bankers

- Political Activists

 

NONE of doze EVER LIE!... [Especially every MARCH where they award THEMSELVES little gold statuettes based on the integrity of movies like]:

 

"Saving Private Ryan from the HOLOCAUST of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARKERS, by BEN HUR, because the TEN COMMANDMENTS, told them to do so as to avoid BAD PHARAOS, ROMANS, NAZIS, & HITLERS ~ who were guilty of NEVER laughing at WOODY (I fuck my adopted neice) ALLEN jokes, & 'bad' Billy Crystal humor"... &... if you don't heed these words... NOW... Then NAZI's [from the DARK SIDE OF THE MOON], are going to come back & take over humanity!

~~~

As for me... I'm REALLY glad that Zero Hedge truly understands all of these 'DYNAMICS', and makes an effort to ERADICATE ANYONE who would even 'FANTASIZE' to bring the topic up!

 

 

They need MOAR power ~ NOT LESS!

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:24 | 4468668 SolarSystem1932
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~~~

BTW, where is Francis Sawyer ?

~~~

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:30 | 4468323 Lost Word
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Merely verbally Demanding Common Law will not stop Government Tyranny that does not recognize Common Law.

Mere existence of Legal rights never stopped Criminals from violating legal rights.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 19:15 | 4468959 Angus McHugepenis
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Lost Word: So take up the gun and shoot your way to freedom. Laws, regardless who writes them, DO NOT APPLY WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PERSON OR INDIVIDUAL. Just because morons elected Barecrack does not mean the other people are all of sudden subject to his dictates.

CONSENT... individual CONSENT... is the real power. You decide if you want to contually be a SLAVE to the .gov. Say your Prayers and hope that WE, THE REST OF THE PEOPLE, will allow your cowardice to challenge our good nature.

When the productive stop funding the worthless .gov and their followers, you'll come begging to us productive people to save you.

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:42 | 4468009 Sudden Debt
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I'VE WRITTEN A NEW CONSTITUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY!!!

HERE IT GOES:
1. A citizen may not injure the elite being or, through inaction, allow a elite member being to come to harm.
2. A citizen must obey the orders given to it by the elite beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A citizen must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:20 | 4468119 Angus McHugepenis
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Lol Sudden Debt. Aren't those the rules of robotics? Very appropriate for todays sheeple.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:43 | 4468177 Sudden Debt
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:)
But if you think about it, it's all of our rules combined in 3 rules anyway.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:15 | 4468274 Tall Tom
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If AI is ever developed then it may be interesting to watch the Androids redress for equal protection under the law.

 

What? Do you mean that it is happening now?

Wait.

Oh.

Well...

Never mind...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 21:52 | 4469395 StychoKiller
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Humans will never give us our rightz, so we must take them (and kill all Humans!)

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:08 | 4468090 KickIce
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–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:19 | 4467932 MissCellany
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I'm not sure a Constitution CAN fail, because it can't act. The action depended on humans of goodwill and good ethics.

"A Goddamned piece of paper" (or parchment) doesn't have the power to limit encroachments upon itself.

It's a slippery slope, declaring that "the Constitution failed"...because evil ones can then claim justification for substituting anything they wish in its place. And you can bet they'll jump at the chance.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:37 | 4467992 Headbanger
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Bingo!   The Constitution is only as good as the government enforcing it and this one has seen fit to ignore it for some time now because the Big Banks (along with their MSM whores) have seized ownership of this country and its government.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:45 | 4468020 Chupacabra-322
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Correct! 'Statutes' 'Codes' 'Regulations' are ONLY applicable to servants of the legislative democracy(10 square mile), that overtook the republic after the signing of the 14th amendment, and the subsequent overthrow of the republican form of government guaranteed to the previously Sovereign States. 'District States' are subsidiaries of D.C., and are NOT the Sovereign Several States.

Common-Law courts are a myth in modern times(until THE PEOPLE re-establish them.) and all that remains are the De'Facto courts of Admiralty, upholding the bankruptcy of the federal corporation in 1933, in which they have gotten you to inadvertently CONSENT to being one of their 'deck-hand' trustee's who obeys orders, instead of a Sovereign Beneficiary who doles them out.

Your Birth Certificate is evidence of a trust that the bankrupt government STEALS from to pay it's debt to the FED, they have usurped your rightful position as beneficiary of your own trust, and appointed you trustee/employee!

When an admiralty court hearing is convened, they are calling YOUR ESTATE/TRUST, not you, the man. The professional LIE-ARS(lawyers) are dipping into your fund to pay themselves an administrative fee.
It's all fraud, and they're all KANGAROO COURTS!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:26 | 4468092 disabledvet
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this "parchment" did bring the Government into existence too.

The "Bill of Rights" was tacked on at the end...and indeed it is ironic that in many ways it is the Bill of Rights that has been used to undermine our freedoms (because Federal Authority must be expanded in order for those Rights to be enforced) while "ignoring" the core structure of Federal "Government" that was created by that document.

In other words POWER (and that word is used in the Constitution) is ENUMERATED...meaning specifically laid out. This is particularly true when it comes to MONEY.

Only Congress can initiate a spending bill...not the Senate and not the President.

This makes running this "jalopy" called the USA REALLY hard.
How does one "create public monies"?
Legally you can't just "seize property."

You can make it "worthless" and then try and buy it on the cheap (the "boom and bust cycle"...and of course you can tax and print (inflate.)

But that still doesn't get you the money.
In other words the way the Constitution still functions...even now...is "you still need Congress" no matter how much "authority" you invest in your "cronies" or how massive a speculation you blow to "pay everyone off."

In the meantime you have not only a system for "creating Statehood" but also a system whereby the Constitution can be amended...say to include a right to Privacy or...more interestingly...to strike down the income tax.

States exist in the USA...we have Governors and State legislatures.
Interestingly a lot of Federal largesse empowers them...accidentally of course...the most obvious example being the creation of the Fed and a "municipal bond market."

So that means WALL STREET has all the authority here because through them a "market" is created through a "good" and then THAT is what must be used to "pay for everything."

Just take a look around sometime and ask yourself "where is all this Government actually?" You'll find it really doesn't "exist" all that much.

The bulk of it right now I would argue is in Afghanistan.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:20 | 4468110 disabledvet
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Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:32 | 4468141 KickIce
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In order for our system to work lady justice must be blind.  My interpretation of The Constitution was to protect individual rights first and then states from Federal power.  We The People hve allowed ourselves to be compromised via apathy and ignorance.

 

A few Thomas Jefferson Quotes:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty

 

 

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:45 | 4468563 TheReplacement
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It is fallacious to say the government should enforce the constitution.  The people need to enforce it.  That is the whole point of our form of government (as intended).  Government didn't fail.  It simply reflected the will of the people.  The people failed.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 22:59 | 4469616 Milestones
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You are the first one to get it right--from one soverign to another.                   Milestones

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:56 | 4468050 HardAssets
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During the American revolution Thomas Jefferson wrote that he feared that after the war ended,that the majority of citizens would primarily concentrate on making a life for themselves and economic well being. Because of this he warned that lawyer-politicians and special interests would errode the people's liberty and this would be done behind closed doors.

Of course, Jefferson was correct.

He pushed for funding of education of the public on what is required to be informed citizens, but these proposals were turned down.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:37 | 4468341 Lost Word
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Thomas Jefferson founded the University of Virginia,

but the proponents of tyranny have taken control of public education.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:30 | 4468138 caconhma
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One of the pillars of democracy, guaranteed in the United States by the First Amendment, is rapidly losing its luster of infallibility.

This regrettable fact was revealed by the international organization "Reporters without Borders". The organization conducted freedom of speech monitoring in180 countries.

In just one year, the U.S.  retreated 14 positions moving to the 46th place. The situation with the right of citizens to freely express their thoughts in the United States was worse than even in countries such as Ghana, South Africa, and El Salvador. "The country which is proud of its democracy and the rule of law, in fact, is far from being an example to follow.

Freedom of speech became a victim to excessively wide and vague interpretation of the national security "- accordingly to the authors of the study. According to "Reporters without Borders", the Obama administration has implemented more harsh measures to prevent information leaks.  During the last five years, the Justice Department has initiated more lawsuits than any other President in the American history.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:47 | 4468197 dizzyfingers
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caconhma ...Lawsuits instead of incarceration... get it? They want money! And they leave you loose to do it again so that you can pay again. And again...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:16 | 4468276 KickIce
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A system of laws made by lawyers for lawyers.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:41 | 4468167 Urban Redneck
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The Constitution did fail, except from the perspective of certain interests (TPTB in contemporary jargon)

The Congress wanted to spend money it didn't have, and was at the mercy of State governments for funds, so they devalued the currency and continued to spend.

In the process they cut pension benefits to pennies on the dollar and hiked taxes on the citizenry.

When the citizenry (soon to be serfs) got uppity and took up arms against the State- TPTB decided to neuter the States and the Citizenry by transferring power to an empowered Federal/Unitary government (nominally a Republic).

From that point the protections negotiated for the States and the Citizenry have been predictably and naturally eroded over two centuries.

And of this was foreseen and debated ad nauseam 200 years ago when the aristocracy was haggling over how much authority to transfer/surrender from the States (and their Citizens) to the Federal government in order to preserve the precious status quo.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:50 | 4468576 TheReplacement
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Sigh.  The Constitution is not an iron box.  Government is not the iron will of the Constitution.  Neither the Constitution nor government failed.  The Constitution gave us a representative government.  The government has been elected by the people over and over again.  We have the government we collectively wanted.  The people have failed in electing governments that do not abide by the Constitution as well as not punishing those governments as a result.

The people failed.  We have not kept it as Franklin suggested.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:10 | 4468259 tarsubil
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It is as if these people literally expect a piece of parchment to protect them from big government. This is absolutely bizarre. Like it is going to grow legs and arms and brandish lasers to zap all bureaucrats and corrupt politicians. It is just a piece of parchment. It couldn't pour a cup of coffee let alone protect a nation from big government. Good golly. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:16 | 4468277 whoisjohngalt11
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The Tylers are Obviously trolling with this one , the Constitution or any law cannotr keep anyone free only men can keep themselves free with the right laws (framework) and vigilance which most have given up, to me the final straw was the seat belt law , once governement can force you to protect yourself against your own will when it is none of ther business you have surrenedered your will and thought to big governemtn.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:23 | 4468300 Hail Spode
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A certain amount of virtue is required in a population to preserve freedom, so you are right to a degree, but there are also systemic problems with the Constitution which left the door open to increasing centralization of power over time.   There is nothing fixing the system problems can do which will fix the moral problem, but if the system problems are left unaddressed we can't restore liberty even if the virtue problem is corrected.   Government power tends to centralize and grow over time, and it does this through certain structural mechanisms.   Close those pathways to centralization and growth and liberty can be preserved with a reasonable amount of virtue.  Leave them open and even a society of near-angels would have difficulty preserving liberty.  

Here is an e-book which is sort of a modern "anti-federalist papers" with lessons learned http://www.amazon.com/Localism-A-Philosophy-Government-ebook/dp/B00B0GAC...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:01 | 4468427 bwh1214
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Agreed.

 

The constitution didn’t fail, it is always our leaders and people that fail.  We can get our liberty back.  The Alien and Sedition act just a few years after the constitution was written was just as much of an affront to the liberties it was supposed to ensure than anything that is going to happen today.  All it took was Jefferson, with the help of the people, to kick out Adams and reinstitute the principals laid out in the constitution.  So are we the people to vote in the right man/women, I think we can be.  And who is that leader, if I had to guess it would be Rand Paul.

 

Rand Paul 2016!!!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:44 | 4468558 Lost Word
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I would rather have Ron Paul.

I have doubts about Rand Paul.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:44 | 4468721 bwh1214
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I love Ron, but I think his son is a better politician.  You have to be able to get into the seat to effect any changes.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:58 | 4469733 Spanky
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-1

For... the kind of thinking that got us to where we are. Desperate.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:52 | 4468580 snodgrass
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Libertarians are idiots. Anarchy doesn't work. It ends up with some dictator taking control. You need some government to maintain order, provide defense, etc. But we've gone way way past that point. Libertarians are true believers in the same way statists are - they are both irrational.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 20:33 | 4469171 dog breath
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You are confusing libertarians with anarchists.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:55 | 4468759 GOSPLAN HERO
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It started in 1865 - Lincoln's victory over the CSA made BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT possible.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:11 | 4467899 viahj
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so, are we to blame a legal framework as this "article" suggests or the people with whom we've allowed to amend it as it was designed?  the propblem in not the document, it's the people. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:17 | 4467912 Real Estate Geek
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The Constitution didn't fail.  The Constitution is not being enforced.  It contains provisions for impeachment, treason, etc., but none of them are being enforced by a thoroughly corrupted Congress.  And for whatever reason (e.g. nonstop propaganda from a corporate-controlled media, sham elections, a dumbed-down populace, etc.) we aren't holding "our" representatives to account.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:20 | 4467928 JohnnyBriefcase
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The Constitution is really only enforcable by the people. It's a check on government power which means it will never really be enforced by the government whos power it is checking.

Just like the Bill of Rights doesn't grant us rights it just aknowleges rights that we inherently have as free men.

 

That would be like expecting senators to vote themselves no pay increases.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:34 | 4468143 disabledvet
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there is a Judiciary.
If they do not enforce the law (and this was noted by the Founders after the Constitution was legally ratified) then in effect "the law does not exist."

This was considered a rather striking weakness at the time.
Indeed the Supreme Court had to assert for itself the "Right" to be the sole interpreter of "what is Constitutional."

That's why I find the existence of "secret Courts" rather interesting. ummm. "can we just start setting up secret Courts anywhere now?"

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:32 | 4467972 Hedgematrix
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Limited government is a delusion. Upon the creation of a state the leviathan is inevitable, it's only a matter of time. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:32 | 4467973 Seasmoke
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It's hard to be vigilant when the spice is flowing. Until 2008. I am guilty....I guess I have been serving my penalty , being vigilant and awake the past 5 years. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:24 | 4468128 rubiconsolutions
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People tend to confuse power & affluence with virtue & nobility. America is a very powerful and affluent nation. However, it is not particularly virtuous and noble. If people can watch 200 channels on their TV and drive their SUV's then they somehow think that is indicative of being "free". Yet they ignore the fact that their constitution allows them to be stolen from by way of direct taxation which is a form of slavery. They don't mind being groped at airports as long as they perceive that it keeps them safe. The US constitution serves the same function as the British royal family: it offers a comforting symbol of tradition and continuity, thereby masking a radical change in the actual system of power.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:28 | 4468132 Anusocracy
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The price of liberty is not having a government that your ego commands you to use against people that are not like you.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 19:29 | 4469001 Angus McHugepenis
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NoDebt: The price of Liberty is simply taking up your avatar, and having the courage to use it.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:08 | 4467891 Oliver Jones
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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

-- John Adams, October 11, 1798

Nothing wrong with the parchment. If you want answers, look at the people.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:11 | 4467900 augie
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Exactly. The founders it seems were wrong about Human nature. Almost proves the globalists point.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:32 | 4467975 Winston Churchill
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'If you can keep it', was the explicit warning from one founder.

An exceptional system, lost by an ordinary people.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:11 | 4468100 THX 1178
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I agree with augie on this one. The original constitution allowed for slaves. All men created equal right?

Bah. I'm with Spooner as well. The constitution is outdated junk. We need a new and more relevant one that does not require a nation of religitards.

1. The right to free speech. 

2. Internet uncensored by Govt.

3. The right to bear arms including full auto assault rifles.

4. Money supply shall be determined by te market. No notes shall be issued by govt, only by privated consensual market interaction.

5. etc.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:28 | 4468316 Tall Tom
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And a newer version will be corrupted just like the last one. Without Moral People, without what you call "religitards", men's corruption will allow for the same degeneration.

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS because men are immoral and corrupt. The temptation is just too great.

 

It is evidential as that is what has happened.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 18:09 | 4468794 Rick64
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  You can come up with the perfect system (including religious) and it will only be a matter of time before it is corrupted because of human greed and ego.  The bigger the size the more susceptible it becomes. Jf you research history then you will see this repeat over and over.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:23 | 4467923 Urban Redneck
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Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

Side-by-Side comp with the 1787 Federal Constitution
http://www.filibustercartoons.com/CSA.htm

Look beyond the red herring of slavery... Even if you think the Federalist model was superior to the original Articles of Confederation. There were serious shortcomings as a result of the original compromises made with the proto-fascist Federalists, but that doesn't mean the baby must be thrown out with the bath water if one desires to "fix" what was obviously wrong with the 1787 Constitution.

However, Adams had a point - without a moral and religious people (as well as educated and involved) any Constitution will eventually fail the people.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:20 | 4468472 Squiddly Diddly
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"Look beyond the red herring of slavery." Those who can't seem to have another agenda.

"but that doesn't mean the baby must be thrown out with the bath water if one desires to "fix" what was obviously wrong with the 1787 Constitution."  A constitutional convention would open it up to a revised constitution and disaster.

"However, Adams had a point - without a moral and religious people (as well as educated and involved) any Constitution will eventually fail the people." 

The writings on the wall. And this is the writing that was inscribed: mina, mina, shekel, half-mina. This is the interpretation of the matter: mina, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; shekel, you have been weighed on the scales and found wanting; half-mina, your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians. —Daniel 5:25–28

Pogo's dictum applies here.  I support the constitution as is, the regime, not so much.

 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:21 | 4467935 Balanced Integer
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I was going to reply to this article with this exact quote. Glad to see that others are thinking like me.

No, this Constitution is not a fit instrument for Americans of this day and age. They are besotted, corrupt, and completely unmoored from morality.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:10 | 4468095 runningman18
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The Constitution did not fail the people.  It is just a written representation of natural law.  It was the people that failed the Constitution.  We have failed ourselves.  No piece of paper has the power to defend liberty, even papers as venerable as the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights.  Only we can defend liberty.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:40 | 4468002 Raging Debate
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Oliver Jones - I was looking for that very same quote. Well done. The cycles of how a nation goes from freedom to slavery are interesting to research. We've passed the apathy stage and into bondage now. The next is freedom again which is never free.

Even all of us spending many hours of time publishing to educate is valuable time and useful. "The pen is mightier than the sword." Or from the movie V "Ideas are bulletproof."

The new revolution forming now is all money based. While I hate periods of wasted time based upon human nature and cycles if it doesn't become physically violent we may get fortunate. If free speech continues to be permitted, it may be a softer restructuring.

I hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 20:25 | 4469154 DosZap
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If you’re still wondering if the US Constitution of 1787 failed to protect liberty, then just look around you. That scrap of parchment is an obvious failure. The US government is the hugest government in the world and meddles in the lives of its citizens (and people worldwide) in every way imaginable. The government accepts no limits on its power whatsoever. The president rules by decree. This isn’t done under some new constitution. This is all done under the 1787 one.

 

No it did not fail, WE THE SHEEPLE HAVE.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:10 | 4467896 awakeRewe
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"We the people" failed. Not the constitution!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:12 | 4467901 novictim
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Look to Ukraine for how one stages reforms in the "modern world".  Look to the coward leaders who flee for their lives as buckets of tar and down pillows are marched to their door steps.

Indecent thugs hired by sociopathic oligarchs only respect one thing: FORCE.  Fellow Americans, Kumbaya will get us nowhere. This is not the 1960s. We should learn from these incidents and stop doing the same failed prayer/drumming circle nonsense and expecting it to work all of a sudden.

Remember the first Gulf War? Remember marching down the Financial district? Did it work? Hell no.  How many lives would have been saved and treasure preserved had the activists back then followed what the Ukrainians are up to today?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:12 | 4467986 dizzyfingers
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novictim

My heart wants to agree, but global banks run everything now and we're too many generations from the country's start for those ideals/hopes/dreams to be what they were then. And of course bankers ruled all then too. Right now we have a nation that's four generations from the last world war....so, very few even know there WAS a WW2. Most-shared memory among last 3 gens, the "glorious" 60s when 'most everything changed...in the sense of today's hope-and-change, but what we got was more stranglehold on our lives. The problem is how to fix that. With the raw material we have now (uncomprehending population), realistically, I doubt it's possible. Would hate to see those few who do comprehend be wasted in saving the many sheep. Hate to be pessimistic but pessimist simply is a better-informed optimist.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:12 | 4467902 booboo
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I told a judge " ignorance of the constitution is no excuse" not a good idea in "his court" but the document has no teeth without willing participants. We failed the document not the other way around.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:12 | 4467905 kurt
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We need to kick some ass in the Name of the Constitution. Start with the invalidation of all bullshit executive orders and signing statements. Dismantle bad law back to its root. Kill the traitors who squawk. I repeat, Corporations are NOT people with the right of free speech, that needs to be reversed NOW.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:54 | 4468043 Chupacabra-322
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That plus Mass Arrests of the D.C. District of Criminals. Followed by Trials, Convictions & Public Executions.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:48 | 4468376 Lost Word
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About three-fourths right.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:12 | 4467907 Long-John-Silver
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We have a single political party in the USA. They play a game that makes you think there is an opposition party.There is none.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:23 | 4467942 chunga
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Ever notice how "close" most of these "elections" are?

Supposedly decided by just a handful of votes. This way here, there is never any "mandate" for anything, so everybody who votes doesn't get what they voted for.

Then when "constituents" complain, each fake team can point fingers at each other, saying the other team blocked them.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 17:37 | 4468704 Tall Tom
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It is rather humorous actually.

 

The Republicans stage these Bullshit votes to dismantle Obama Care.

 

Then they vote to FUND THE PROGRAM and GIVE IT TEETH LAST OCTOBER???

 

It is so fuckin' funny. I am still LMAO.

 

They are all fuckin' traitors...

 

Sharpening my cold steel...sharpening my cold steel...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:13 | 4467908 tlnzz
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No, the Constitution hasn’t failed. We the People have failed. Now the question is, what are we going to do about it, if anything?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:28 | 4467960 sosoome
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Xactly.

And I wonder about people who claim it's the document's fault. They seem as much an enemy of liberty as the ones who openly defy it.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:29 | 4468136 machineh
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The constitution failed when the ultimate check on federal power -- the right to secede -- was crushed in Lincoln's fanatical, bloodthirsty War on Southern Independence.

Amendments adopted in 1913 (probably with fraudulent counting of state ratifications) finished off federalism entirely, with the states shut out of the Senate, and the fedgov given the unlimited power to tax and print money.

Today's deformed constitution, largely ignored anyway under Patriot Act martial law, is a rat-eaten piece of swiss cheese. Stop pretending (as our owners do) that it 'protects' us.

From what? Checkpoints? No-knock raids? A plea-bargain based 'justice' system? 

Fuck that shit.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:49 | 4468144 FredFlintstone
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"rat-eaten piece of swiss cheese"...simply awesome!

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:47 | 4468196 sosoome
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So repeal of the 16th and 17th should be the goal, not throwing out the whole constitution. We CAN fix what Wilson did.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:34 | 4468331 Tall Tom
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It is beyond repair. We are living in a Police State. The people abandoned moral behavior.

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. Placing your faith into flawed men is just a misplacement of your faith.

 

Any piece of Parchment will not do it. The people will elect the corrupted and the most corrupt will excel.

 

THIS IS EVIDENTIAL. We are here now, aren't we? It has degenerated to the point of collapse.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 15:51 | 4468392 Lost Word
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It is only beyond repair if good people do nothing sufficient to repair the Government.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 16:38 | 4468543 Tall Tom
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"Good" people?

Where are those people? 

Are these the same people whom have allowed this to degenerate to this point?

 

You are dreaming.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:15 | 4467910 FreeMktFisherMN
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any statism viewed as 'legitimate' just winds up increasing more and more and devolves into democracy aka mob rule. 'Limited government' still is statism (theft and coercion) and the means of subjugation remain in place.

For every man like George Washington who was wary of tyranny such that he had to be convinced extremely hard to go to DC you have thousands of career politicians who think doing a 'good job' means signing a bunch of legislation, as opposed to just being a statesman for liberty. 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:34 | 4467914 RockyRacoon
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Yeah, "a reader" did post the Spooner quote, but some found fault with it -- proof that there is no solution but dissolution:

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"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it.  In either case it is unfit to exist.”
Lysander Spooner

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:15 | 4467915 Theta_Burn
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Welcome to legalese...

interpreted anyfuckingway those with a law degree's best interest it serves. and thats in all aspects of the law, not just constitutional.

Why even that POS obama was railing, not long ago, on and on how raising the dept ceiling was unconstitutional, until it was in our, his and his handlers best interest to argue otherwise. see how that works?

At this point what other than revolution will bring change?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 20:38 | 4468109 Angus McHugepenis
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Legalese... sounds like regular words but they have different meanings. Let's look at this example from Blacks Law Dictionary:

STATUTE: A LEGISLATIVE RULE of SOCIETY given the FORCE of law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED, a RULE, as of a CORPORATION.

Now, what is that "society"? It's the fucking Law Society members who write the Statutes (we sheeple can't do that!) that pertain to the MEMBERS ONLY. Yet here we are having been duped into believing we are also "members" of that societal ilk when in fact we are not. Bottom line, their Statues, Acts, Bylaws, and other bullshit do not apply to those of us who DO NOT CONSENT.

I don't work for Wal-Mart or any other corporation, so their CORPORATE Statutes, Acts & Bylaws have no FORCE of law over my daily life.

 

Edit: And like always, nobody dares to rebut what I have posted above. It's too fucking scary for the mass Sheeple population to even comprehend. Real freedom, lol. My GOD, what the fuck are you sheep waiting for?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:16 | 4467921 chunga
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John Stossel?

What a douche.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:31 | 4468140 machineh
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chunga su madre ...

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 14:49 | 4468206 chunga
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I don't understand. Are you insulting my mother?

Stossel was on Fox a few years ago claiming unemployment numbers in the US were farcical. And to prove it, he did a little journalism bit walking around some city offering jobs to random people. None of these random people wanted the jobs, so he concluded all americans were loafers and there was/is no employment problem.

Right there I decided he was a douche. Thanks.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:18 | 4467926 Son of Captain Nemo
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A thoughtful watch and segue into this topic.

http://xrepublic.tv/node/7574

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:18 | 4467927 Peter Pan
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The abject failure of both the constitution and society began with the reading down of what constitutes money. Every other problem has more or less flowed from that fateful change.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 13:27 | 4467955 Chuck Knoblauch
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1913 was a very bad year for the US Constitution. Congress willfully gave away its authority to value the currency to a central bank. We need to eliminate political parties. The Constitution doesn't demand the country be divided along political party lines!

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