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PLA Officer: China Must Establish South China Sea ADIZ; Will "Fight When Appropriate"

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Submitted by Zachary Zeck via The Diplomat,

A senior researcher and officer in China’s People’s Liberation Army said that establishing an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) is essential to China’s national interest.

“The establishment of another ADIZ over the South China Sea is necessary for China’s long-term national interest,” Senior Colonel Li Jie, a researcher at the PLA Navy’s Military Academy and frequent media commentator, said on Friday, according to a report in Reuters.

Li’s comment seemed to be slightly inconsistent with a statement from China’s Foreign Ministry back in February, which dismissed Japanese media reports that said China was preparing to establish a South China Sea ADIZ. That statement, however, seemed to leave open the possibility that China might do so in the future.

When initially announcing its East China Sea ADIZ, Chinese officials readily admitted that they intended to establish other ADIZ over other areas in the future.

Li’s remark came in the context of a discussion about remarks made by U.S. Captain James Fanell, director of intelligence and information operations at the US Pacific Fleet. As The Diplomat previously reported, at a recent U.S. Naval Institute conference Capt. Fanell said that the PLA had held a drill to practice defeating Japan’s Maritime Self Defense Forces in the East China Sea as a prelude to seizing the disputed Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands.

In that same speech (see video below) Fanell also predicted that China would establish an ADIZ in the South China Sea by 2015 at the latest. Li characterized this remark as America’s attempt to deter China from establishing a South China Sea ADIZ.

On Thursday, however, the Pentagon distanced itself from Fanell’s remarks, with Pentagon spokesperson Rear Admiral John Kirby saying that “those were his views to express.” Kirby continued: “What I can tell you about what Secretary Hagel believes is that we all continue to believe that the peaceful prosperous rise of China is a good thing for the region, for the world.  We continue to want to improve our bilateral military relations with China.” Indeed, Army Chief of Staff Ray Odierno is currently in China meeting his PLA counterpart.

Li said that the Pentagon’s decision to distance itself from Fanell’s comments was a tactical move on the part of the U.S. “It’s a typical U.S. diplomatic strategy,” Li said, according to Reuters. “Washington is very concerned about the tension developing in the South China Sea, which will relate to its strategic interests.”

It’s worth noting that Rear Admiral Kirby distancing the Pentagon from Fanell’s remarks was likely referring in particular to the latter’s comments about China’s military forces training to defeat Japan’s MSDF in the East China Sea.

Fanell’s remark about China’s interest in establishing a South China Sea ADIZ was much less controversial and in fact broadly consistent with the comments made by numerous senior officials in recent months. As far back as last December, Secretary of State John Kerry stated: “Today, I raised our deep concerns about China’s announcement of an East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone…. The zone should not be implemented, and China should refrain from taking similar unilateral actions elsewhere in the region, and particularly over the South China Sea.”

Here’s a video of the panel in which Capt. Fanell made his blunt assessment. Fanell begins speaking around the 19:00 minute mark, right after The Diplomat’s own Naval Diplomat gives his remarks, which we republished here.


and then this most recent note from sources...

Chan Kai Yee of China Daily Mail, a blog with no connection to Beijing, Feb. 22, 2014, provides the following summary translation of an article in, a Chinese-language news site headquartered in the city of Shenzhen in China’s southeastern Guangdong province, with offices in Beijing and Hong Kong:

Quite a few people have said that the conflict over the Diaoyus (known as Senkakus in Japan) has passed the stage of oral confrontation and what follows may very probably be direct military conflict.


It is especially so as, relying on US support, Japan is obviously declaring war against China already.


Sources say that China’s Central Military Commission has directly given Chinese military the instruction: “Fight if it is appropriate to fight.”


Sources pointed out that they had received information that Xi Jinping, Chairman of the Central Military Commission, gave a relevant warning to a Japanese economic and trade delegation that recently visited China.


Xi specially pointed out to the delegation when he met them, if Japan kept provoking China and thus gave rise to an unstable situation, it alone has to be responsible for all the consequences.


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Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:06 | 4469631 LetThemEatRand
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The Twitlomat.  I feel like I'm watching a Tarzan movie and the Diplomat is banging the war drums.  

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:19 | 4469662 aint no fortuna...
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One wonders just how broken China's economy and shadow banking system must be if they have to play that tired old war diversion canard.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 07:53 | 4470202 BandGap
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I do not believe this is a canard. They are quite serious.

Consider our "Commander in Chief" and his foreign relations abilities. Throw Kerry into that mix and you have Abbott & Costello Meet the Yellow Devils.

China's economy isn't the only thing to be considered. They have spent quite a bit of money on "shoot first" weapons, particularly in the naval assault area.

And I will always be impressed with the fact that due to their population control measures of the past that China has over 25 million men, ages 18-25, than women. These guys have but a long shot at finding a spouse and having a family. China does not want them disgruntled at home when they are 30something.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:58 | 4469726 ebworthen
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If you didn't watch the opening of the 2008 Beijing Olympics and the swarm of guys pounding on the war drums you weren't paying attention.

A very clear signal from China:


"Welcome my friends" my ass; those are war drums.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:36 | 4469995 ebworthen
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I watched it live.

It was not "Welcome my friends", it was "We are China, we are rising, we are not going to bow down again."

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 04:53 | 4470079 UserLong
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USA never pound war drums, they just send soldiers and war machines to other countries without saying 'knock knock'. So I guess Chinese are much better.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 08:16 | 4470233 Johnny Cocknballs
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read a book.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 06:23 | 4470151 StychoKiller
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When ya got a bunch of yahoos dancing in yer backyard, is it not prudent to shine a light on what they're doing?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 08:15 | 4470228 Johnny Cocknballs
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+ 100, LTER. 

I think the diplomat is basically a neocon outfit in realist clothing... like the CFR and the center for the national interest, which I know has ties to at least some of the diplomat's writers.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:05 | 4469632 DoChenRollingBearing
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A miscalculation in the South China Sea, or the Senkaku Rocks or North Korea is all too plausible.  War involving us is more likely here, IMO, than in the Middle East or the Ukraine.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:43 | 4469708 HulkHogan
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I agree and have thought the same thing for a while now. Expect a proxy war somewhere in East Asia first, say China vs. Indonesia or North Korea over terrorism.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 07:55 | 4470204 BandGap
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The war China instigates will be over "what is rightfully theirs". Not unlike the premise Japan used in the 1930s.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:05 | 4469633 prains
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what ever will make the MIC the most money is what will really happen



same as it ever was

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:31 | 4469674 Freddie
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True.  I posted in another thread about a simulation the creepy and corrupt Rand Corp did on a batlle for the Taiwan Straits using F-35, F-18 and a few F-22s.  It was called Pacific Vision.

The F-35 is a piece of crap and always will be. It's wings are too short, it is too heavy, too thin skinned, a gas guzzler and the list goes on including the fact that stealth is total BS.  Stealth always has been BS.   Odd how the YF-117 was scrapped after one got shot down.  Because stalth is a scam.

The F-35 will destroy the US Air Force and suck up all defense money.  It is so bad that you would think China created it to destroy America like they probably helped create are high toned muslim.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 05:50 | 4470126 Offthebeach
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I'm old enough to remember the F-111 was going to destroy the budget. Then it was the F-15. Too complex.

The F-35 and what comes after is a tech walk/slog that has to be walked. Somewhere out there is the future. Sofar the US defines it. Everyone else just drifts behind. The qualitive disstance is greater than appearance.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:09 | 4469640 Ignatius
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How does one say Manifest Destiny in Chinese?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:24 | 4469675 Manthong
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They will express it numerically.. as actual metric tons of Au at the PBOC.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:13 | 4469649 Payne
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Planes have been shot down over the coast of Iran, Russia and North Korea to name a few with no Wars.  There is no advantage to a war for oil rights when it is too easy for the loser to salt the fields.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:16 | 4469655 Aquarius
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War Drums:


This is US Foreign Policy - not a secret

War Policy = Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

PNAC = US Foreign Policy

It appears that the PNAC Url has been deregistered?

Why the surprise about China and Japan as US officials have been screaming for global war for the past decade of so. At least since Clinton's Administration.

Ho hum

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:18 | 4469659 Let them eat iPads
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We should have nuked China in the 50's.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:41 | 4469803 lolmao500
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Not just China but the Soviets too.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:28 | 4469990 garypaul
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I don't think you know what LTMEiPads was referring to.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:27 | 4469989 garypaul
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very few people even know about that. Impressive LTEIPads!

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 07:58 | 4470207 Joenobody12
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When the Japanese was buying the Rockefellow center it was we shoudl ahve nuked Japan four times.

Seems to me your mom should have had an abortion.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:20 | 4469668 FieldingMellish
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War drums? Time to sell gold then.... obviously.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:24 | 4469677 yrbmegr
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China has no right to assert sovereignty over the entire South China Sea.  Seems it may be time for the Trans-Pacific Partnership to raise its profile to a military alliance.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:28 | 4469679 ebworthen
ebworthen's picture that the U.S. has sacrificed all it's production capacity for cheap Chinese slave labor to enrich the U.S. Corporatocracy and our complicit ass-kissing politicians who give not one whit for the citizens of the U.S.


Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:30 | 4469689 yrbmegr
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Well, it's a bit naive to suppose the U.S. is helpless here.  The containment project is already underway.  Watch and learn.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:34 | 4469694 ebworthen
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Containment with what, SPAM and promises?

All the U.S. has left is nukes.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:37 | 4469697 yrbmegr
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Hardly.  You haven't been paying attention.

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:42 | 4469707 ebworthen
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To what, specifically?

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:49 | 4469721 yrbmegr
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There are so many inter-related things.  One thing to watch is the Trans-Pacific Partnership. 

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:00 | 4469737 ebworthen
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Opening with a generalization and lacking in:  detail, specifics, and a point.  Try again?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:03 | 4469742 yrbmegr
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Go look it up yourself.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:12 | 4469754 Pareto
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ebworthen 1, yrbmegr "go look it up yourself" 0

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:37 | 4469769 ebworthen
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Already did, still don't get it:  "The TPP is a proposed trade agreement under negotiation by (as of August 2013) Australia, Brunei, Chile, Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam"

A trade agreement under negotiation?  Big woop.

Brunei, Mexico, and Vietnam are coming to our rescue?

I have some stale pretzels and a .38 revolver.

What else is new?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 06:08 | 4470141 Offthebeach
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Second largest air force in the world is the US Navy. Guess who is the first largest.

To make things worse, we could switch aircraft, carriers with the Chinese, and still beat them.
Chinese fighter pilots and others get pathetic low flight hours. Thats kinda important. Professional training gets worse the higher you go. Thats called a coordination and information problem.
Last battle Chinese fought was with Vietnam, and lost.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 06:25 | 4470152 ebworthen
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47 years ago?  Not quite valid today.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 14:49 | 4471729 Offthebeach
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Well, we've been practicing. You might of noticed. And, too with coalitions since, oh, 1917. CCP, not so much.
Maybe People's Tibetan Liberation Air Army can assist in faternal defensive endeavors.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:43 | 4469809 suteibu
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Your TPP is in trouble.  It seems that some in Asia don't think subjecting themselves to American corporations is a good long-term idea.  Militarizing it won't help.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 05:26 | 4470109 Leraconteur
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It's not The South Japan Sea or the NW Philippines Sea or the NE Vietnamese Sea, on maps now is it?

The Chinese want what they want, and with a name like South CHINA Sea it will be nigh impossible to stop them.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 08:01 | 4470209 Joenobody12
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The US has no right to invade other countries neither. There are more pressing problem at home to worry about. How much do you know about the South China Sea anyways ? 

Sun, 02/23/2014 - 23:29 | 4469678 ebworthen
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I hate to say "I told you so" but...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:14 | 4469759 TheMeatTrapper
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You should never hate to say I told you so. I do it all the time. My wife loves it. Really.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:19 | 4469766 q99x2
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Good to see that China hasn't been taken over by the globalists yet. At least they have a country to fight for.

Rothschilds and Rockefellers probably offering China money right now so that they can bomb the US.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 01:16 | 4469875 Let them eat iPads
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Yeah, good for them.

We really should aspire to be totalitarian state like those assholes.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 08:43 | 4470270 matrix2012
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I represent here again my post in other thread:


Excerpted from DEAN HENDERSON's article below:


-- "The  Trilateral Commission (TC) published The Triangle Papers which extended the “special relationship between the US and Western Europe” to include Japan, which was fast becoming creditor to the rest of the world.  Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker was TC Chairman. --


About the *** ROUNDTABLE *** DEAN HENDERSON wrote at great lengthy in his below article:


The Federal Reserve Cartel: Part III: The Roundtable & The Illuminati


June 8, 2011

According to former British intelligence agent John Coleman’s book, The Committee of 300, the Rothschilds exert political control through the secretive Business Roundtable, which they created in 1909 with the help of Lord Alfred Milner and South African industrialist Cecil Rhodes. The Rhodes Scholarship is granted by Cambridge University, out of which oil industry propagandist Cambridge Energy Research Associates operates.

Rhodes founded De Beers and Standard Chartered Bank.  According to Gary Allen’s expose, The Rockefeller Files, Milner financed the Russian Bolsheviks on Rothschild’s behalf, with help from Jacob Schiff and Max Warburg.

In 1917 British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour penned a letter to Zionist Second Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild in which he expressed support for a Jewish homeland on Palestinian-controlled lands in the Middle East. [1]

The Balfour Declaration justified the brutal seizure of Palestinian lands for the post-WWII establishment of Israel.  Israel would serve, not as some high-minded “Jewish homeland”, but as lynchpin in Rothschild/Eight Families control over the world’s oil supply.  Baron Edmond de Rothschild built the first oil pipeline from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean to bring BP Iranian oil to Israel.  He founded Israeli General Bank and Paz Oil. He is considered by many the father of modern Israel. [2]

Roundtable inner Circle of Initiates included Lord Milner, Cecil Rhodes, Arthur Balfour, Albert Grey and Lord Nathan Rothschild.  The Roundtable takes its name from the legendary knight of King Arthur, whose tale of the Holy Grail is paramount to the Illuminatinotion of Sangreal or holy blood.

John Coleman writes in The Committee of 300, “Round Tablers armed with immense wealth from gold, diamond and drug monopolies fanned out throughout the world to take control of fiscal and monetary policies and political leadership in all countries where they operated.”

While Cecil Rhodes and the Oppenheimers went to South Africa, the Kuhn Loebs were off to re-colonize America.  Rudyard Kipling was sent to India. The Schiffs and Warburgs manhandled Russia. The Rothschilds, Lazards and Israel Moses Seifs pushed into the Middle East.  In Princeton, New Jersey the Round Table founded the Institute for Advanced Study (IAS) as partner to its All Souls College at Oxford.  IAS was funded by the Rockefeller’s General Education Board. IAS members Robert Oppenheimer, Neils Bohr and Albert Einstein created the atomic bomb. [3]


In 1919 Rothschild’s Business Roundtable spawned the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA) in London.  The RIIA soon sponsored sister organizations around the globe, including the US Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Asian Institute of Pacific Relations, the Canadian Institute of International Affairs, the Brussels-based Institute des Relations Internationales, the Danish Foreign Policy Society, the Indian Council of World Affairs and the Australian Institute of International Affairs. Other affiliates popped up in France, Turkey, Italy, Yugoslavia and Greece. [4]

The RIIA is a registered charity of the Queen and, according to its annual reports, is funded largely by the Four Horsemen.  Former British Foreign Secretary and Kissinger Associates co-founder Lord Carrington was President of both the RIIA and the Bilderbergers.  The inner circle at RIIA is dominated by Knights of St. John Jerusalem, Knights of Malta, Knights Templar and 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemasons.  The Knights of St. John were founded in 1070 and answer directly to the British House of Windsor.  Their leading bloodline is the Villiers dynasty, which the Hong Kong Matheson family married into. The Lytton family also married into the Villiers gang. [5]

Colonel Edward Bulwer-Lytton led the English Rosicrucian secret society, which Shakespeare opaquely referred to as Rosencranz, while the Freemasons took the role of Guildenstern.  Lytton was spiritual father of both the RIIA and Nazi fascism.  In 1871 he penned a novel titled,Vril: The Power of the Coming Race.  Seventy years later the Vril Society received ample mention in Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.  Lytton’s son became Viceroy to India in 1876 just before opium production spiked in that country.  Lytton’s good friend Rudyard Kipling worked under Lord Beaverbrook as Propaganda Minister, alongside Sir Charles Hambro of the Hambros banking dynasty. [6]

James Bruce, ancestor to Scottish Rite Freemason founder Sir Robert the Bruce, was the 8th Earl of Elgin. He supervised the Caribbean slave trade as Jamaican Governor General from 1842-1846.  He was Britain’s Ambassador to China during the Second Opium War.  His brother Frederick was Colonial Secretary of Hong Kong during both Opium Wars.  Both were prominent Freemasons.  British Lord Palmerston, who ran the Opium Wars, was a blood relative of the Bruce monarchy, as was his Foreign Secretary John Russell, grandfather of Bertrand Russell. [7]

Children of the Roundtable elite are members of a Dionysian cult known as Children of the Sun.  Initiates include Aldous Huxley, T. S. Eliot, D. H. Lawrence and H. G. Wells.  Wells headed British intelligence during WWI. His books speak of a “one-world brain” and “a police of the mind”.  William Butler Yeats, another Sun member, was a pal of Aleister Crowley.  The two formed an Isis Cult based on a Madam Blavatsky manuscript, which called on the British aristocracy to organize itself into an Isis Aryan priesthood. Most prominent writers of English literature came from the ranks of the Roundtable. All promoted Empire expansion, however subtly.  Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society and Bulwer-Lytton’s Rosicrucians joined forces to form the Thule Society out of which the Nazis emerged. [8]


Aleister Crowley formed the British parallel to the Thule Society, the Isis-Urania Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.  He tutored LSD guru Aldus Huxley, who arrived in the US in 1952, the same year the CIA launched its MK-ULTRA mind control program with help from the Warburg-owned Swiss Sandoz Laboratories and Rockefeller cousin Allen Dulles- OSS Station Chief in Berne.  Dulles received information from the Muslim Brotherhood House of Saudi regarding the creation of mind-controlled Assassins.  Dulles’ assistant was James Warburg. [9]


The Atlantic Union (AU) was an RIIA affiliate founded by Cecil Rhodes- who dreamed of returning the US to the British Crown.  In 1939 AU set up its first offices in America in space donated by Nelson Rockefeller at 10 E 40th St in New York City.  Every year from 1949-1976 an AU resolution was floored in Congress calling for a repeal of the Declaration of Independence and a “new world order”. Another RIIA affiliate was United World Federalists (UWF)- founded by Norman Cousins and Dulles assistant James P. Warburg.  UWF’s motto was “One world or none”.  Its first president Cord Meyer stepped down to take a key position in Allen Dulles’ CIA.  Meyer articulated UWF’s goal, “Once having joined the One-World Federated Government, no nation could secede or revolt…with the atom bomb in its possession the Federal Government would blow that nation off the face of the earth.” [10]

In 1950 James Warburg, whose elders Max and Paul sat on the board of Nazi business combine IG Farben, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, “We shall have world government whether or not you like it- by conquest or consent.”  The AU and UAF are close to the CFR and the Trilateral Commission (TC)- founded by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1974. [11]

The TC published The Triangle Papers which extended the “special relationship between the US and Western Europe” to include Japan,which was fast becoming creditor to the rest of the world.  Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker was TC Chairman.  TC/CFR insider Harvard Professor  Samuel Huntington, who most recently has argued for a “Clash of Civilizations” between the West and the Muslim world, wrote in the TC publication Crisis in Democracy, “…a government which lacks authority will have little ability short of cataclysmic crisis to impose on its people the sacrifices which may be necessary.” [12]


Note, this is the part Three of the five-part article as below.


PART 1 ~ The Federal Reserve Cartel: Part I: The Eight Families


PART 2 ~ The Federal Reserve Cartel: Part II: The Freemason BUS & The House of Rothschild


PART 3 ~ The Federal Reserve Cartel: Part III: The Roundtable & The Illuminati


PART 4 ~ The Federal Reserve Cartel: Part IV: A Financial Parasite


PART 5 ~ The Federal Reserve Cartel: Part V: A Solution

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:44 | 4469808 lolmao500
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What a surprise... people invest and buy shit from China for 20 years and then they are surprised when they don't want to be treated like a third world shithole anymore... The upcoming world war brought to you by the globalists and the keynesians pro-slave labor scumbags.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:47 | 4469823 suteibu
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There are too many US companies doing too much business in China (in a largely untapped market) for war.

More fear-mongering from the Diplomat.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 01:05 | 4469860 lolmao500
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There are too many US companies doing too much business in China (in a largely untapped market) for war.

Now that's funny. That's what Europe was saying pre-WW1... Japan about Japan-US relations pre-WW2...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 01:14 | 4469872 suteibu
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Can't speak to Europe.  The economy was not nearly as global back then.

As for Japan, much of its desire for conquest, especially in Southeast Asia in the late 30s, was a reaction to the economic sanctions placed on them by the US.  It certainly was not comfortable with its relationship with the US, economic or otherwise, since the early 30s.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 06:16 | 4470145 Offthebeach
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Imperial Japan was in Manchuria and Korea decades before late 1930s sanctions.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 10:26 | 4470552 suteibu
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Indeed, all financed by British banks and encouraged by US politicians.  There is no question that Japan was a bad actor, but it was also a pawn of the West who wanted a weakened Russia at the turn of the century.  The Russo-Japanese War preceded (coincided with) the beginning of the 1905 Russian Revolution, also financed by Western banks and ultimately leading to the communist takeover of Russia in 1917.

But Korea and Manchuria are not part of Southeast Asia which held resources Japan needed (oil) and which were being supplied by the US, hence the fear of US sanctions.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 15:09 | 4471817 Offthebeach
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Japan existed long before oil, and oil was and is a world wide commodity. The then Dutch East Indies had oil. Imperial Japonese actions, thoughts, racial philosophy long acted before any sanctions, best exampled by Okawa Shumei and Asianism with naturally Japan as racial, spiritual, military leader to the other Asian inferiors.

It wasn't about oil, or banks.  It was about incestuous, ignorant and delusional groupthink leadership in a deeply messed up, feudal society. 

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 15:49 | 4471998 suteibu
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Japan was a closed shop for generations trading globally through a small Dutch settlement.  They bothered no one and minded their own business until the US decided to "civilize" the heathens and teach them the ways of the West in the mid-1800s and then continue to use them for their own global purposes into the 20th century.  Japan's greatest mistake was imagining that the West would ever...EVER...accept them as equals on the world stage. Racism?  Please.

Who financed the military rise of Japan to wage war in Asia and Russia?  The same banks who financed the Russian Revolution, Hitler's rise, WW2, ad infinitum. 

China finds itself in the same situation today with the same players.  Do you not think that the Chinese have learned a lesson from how the Japanese were treated?  Are you really surprised they aren't rolling over to their Western masters?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:22 | 4469983 Mine Is Bigger
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I am pretty sure that's what the Japanese throught.  They have Japanese companies doing too much business there.  They even built roads, subways and airports, but ...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 10:34 | 4470593 suteibu
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To be sure.  Which probably explains why the US has been hesitant and vague about its security treaty with Japan over the Senkaku Islands so as not to jeopardize its relationship with China.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 00:46 | 4469815 TheCosmicTaco
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A war with Japan? Have those Chicoms gone totally nuts? The Japs will boot their asses back to Mongolia. They ain't gonna take any shit from a bunch of punkass wannabe Chicom generals who have been drinking too much of their own koolaid. Anyway, once the Chinese credit bubble pops, the Chinese military is gonna have to grow their own vegetables to eat.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 01:18 | 4469881 Let them eat iPads
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They should eat each other.

Way to many of those fuckers on this planet.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 02:48 | 4470002 TheCosmicTaco
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I'm not so sure they haven't already started to. Some independent lab needs to do an analysis of what kind of meat is in all those cans of Chinese Spam. I mean, pork costs money, right?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 08:06 | 4470216 Joenobody12
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A war between Japan and China should be short and sweet - like a simulatanous dropping of nukes on all of Japanese cities and level the fucking poor excuses of a country to the ground.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 01:31 | 4469903 suteibu
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"Sources say that China’s Central Military Commission has directly given Chinese military the instruction: “Fight if it is appropriate to fight.”

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 01:53 | 4469942 laomei
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Eh, bullshit.  "China Daily Mail" is the one making the claim, but they do not provide the original language nor an actual link to the source.  There's nothing on qianzhan even comes close to that.  Wholecloth fabrication.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 09:53 | 4470426 matrix2012
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Indeed "China Daily Mail" is a fox in sheep clothes :-)  akin to chinadigitaltimes; wantchinatimes... call it another The Diplomat in disguise

it's most likely they're all carrying the CFR lines.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 04:23 | 4470055 Sizzurp
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China wants an empire.  I don't think it's a winning strategy.  Switzerland has the highest standard of living in the world.  Why is that? Not because they have an empire.  Did China have all this growth the last 20 years because they were an empire?  Asserting power over your neighbors builds resentment and hostility.  It takes  a great deal of military spending to keep it going and that eventually fails the economy.  I say stick to the MAD doctrine, defend our borders, and let them have their little empire.  In the meantime quit buying their crap.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 11:05 | 4470316 matrix2012
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It's damned damned stupid to ever compare the standard of living of a miniscule nation of 8,131,348 lives to the one of the most populous nation on earth of 1,391,032,502 lives -

note: if you're adamant, perhaps you may wish to compare the living standard of Switzerland with Brunei Darussalam

Not to mention the Switzerland's granted benefits by hosting the safe-haven funds from around the globe, the relaxing dens of The Oligarchs, the homebase of the Central Bank of the Central Banks (i.e. BIS in Basel) and even the park lot of the Nazi's looted golds granted to Vatican near the end of WW2...

In short, in addition to Switzerland's endowment of beautiful mountains of the Alp, highly skillful craftmanship in watch making and jewerly, a significant part of the Switzerland prosperity is due to its VERY close ties with the Oligarchy interests since century-long ago... called it the well-protected and preserved habitat for The Oligarchs, which explains its untouched condition during WW1 and WW2... nope, it's just a myth that neutrality alone saved it from the two World War's destructions!!

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 07:18 | 4470181 Sufiy
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Ukraine, Syria And Global De-Dollarization: USD To Go Down And Gold Up 

 What is connecting so different countries as Ukraine and Syria? The big chess game played by the U.S. and Russia. Syria needs to be "liberalised" in order to build pipelines for the natural Gas to be supplied from Qatar  to Europe. Russia and China have blocked that game and they have Ukraine revolution 2.0 now. Putin's dream is to rebuild USSR as the Eurasian Union and Ukraine is the key to his success. He will not back out of it easily. One thing is an insult in the ice hockey defeat by the U.S. in Sochi and another thing is to lose "Small Russia". On the map below you can see why Ukraine is so important geopolitically, it is all about Energy again. Key supply natural Gas routes from Russia to Europe are crossing this country. 

 We do hope that Ukraine will not ignite the real war, but you can be assured about the asymmetrical moves with the heavy weaponry of  The Financial War. Here where we are coming to the ongoing flight of physical Gold from the West to the East and the coming De-Dollarisation. Democracy - so well presented by Netflex with its "House of Cards" production - meets countries with the special destiny, where elites are not hiring actors to read teleprompters, but making all the dirty work by themselves.    Ukraine will be the very bad example for these leaders: that you can come, make a few phone calls and even f**k the EU deciding who will lead the sovereign country next. The least they can do is to accelerate the De-Dollarization and call the bluff called the "food stamp recovery and Taper". US Dollar is levitating just above crucial 80.00 level, with all Taper hype and currency distractions in the emerging markets. Gold is breaking to the upside and any additional strain on the U.S. "recovery" can ignite the next leg down in US Dollar. China will be playing its own game getting ready to the global reset: accumulating record amount of Gold and encouraging its citizens to do the same.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 07:22 | 4470185 theprofromdover
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Its a pity Jim Fannel will be retired before he is given a chance to do an analysis of the domestic situation.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 09:25 | 4470359 flyingcaveman
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Ridiculous!  Those disputed islands are what 1000 miles from mainland China.  Where is Veitnam, Brunei, and the Phillipines' 1000 mile ADIZ?  Not much leadership comming from the Admiral or his Captains, mostly newspeak and non-speak.   Some of them understand economics more than others, but I don't think any of them are going to have the leadership to get anything done when all they are used to is asking for money and getting it.  It really complicates things when the money  you are asking for isn't worth anything or no foreign government or your crew wont accept it as payment anymore.   Smells like they are already setting the stage to fold like some Chinese laundry.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 10:26 | 4470553 Chaos_Theory
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Seems like Thucydides nailed the blueprint for human nature with his "The History of the Peloponnesian War."  Reading China's actions in the ECS and SCS reminds me of the Athenian position at Melos.  2400 years later and "The strong do what they can, the weak do what they must" still reigns. 

I for one can't wait for the eventual alien invasion.  We don't deserve this planet.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 13:18 | 4471388 pupdog1
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Very interesting panel discussion. Very, very sharp guys who obviously can't say everything they're thinking, or know. But they can go a little off reservation at the Naval Institute (a private organization).

Can you imaging buffoons like Kerry or Biden or Lindsay Graham or McCain on this panel? They can barely get out two coherent sentences in a row! This US Navy panel is like a billboard advertising just how dumb elected Washington really is.

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