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Russia To Add "Stealth" Subs To Mediterranean Force
Many have been surprised by the lack of public response by Russia to the ongoings in Ukraine. Aside from some comments by Siluanov, the response has been concerning in its absence from the iron fist. However, quietly and with little new coverage, RiaNovosti reports that the combat capability of Russia’s naval task force in the Mediterranean will increase significantly - for the first time in decades - following the first deliveries of Varshavyanka-class submarines (with advanced stealth technology dubbed "black holes in the ocean") to the Black Sea Fleet.
Via RiaNovosti,
Russia formed a permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean last year to defend its interests in the region. The move was widely seen, however, as a response to calls for international intervention in the worsening civil war in Syria, Russia’s longtime ally.
The task force currently consists of 12 warships and auxiliary vessels, including the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky and aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.
According to Chirkov, the Russian warships are taking part in an international operation to remove chemical weapons stockpiles from Syria.
“In general, the tasks assigned to the Mediterranean group are absolutely clear: to thwart any threat to Russia’s borders and security,” the admiral said, adding that it is normal practice for any country to keep naval assets in vital regions around the globe.
Chirkov said that the first Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarine, the Novorossiisk, will join the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.
The Defense Ministry has ordered a total of six Varshavyanka-class subs, dubbed “black holes in the ocean” by the US Navy because they are nearly undetectable when submerged.
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The Varshavyanka-class (Project 636) is an improved version of the Kilo-class submarines and features advanced stealth technology, extended combat range and the ability to strike land, surface and underwater targets.
The submarines are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine missions in relatively shallow waters.
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The Black Sea Fleet has not received new submarines for decades and currently operates only one boat: the Kilo-class Alrosa, which joined the navy in 1990.
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Looks like the Admiral Kuznetsov was following another vessel too closely...
"Varshavyanka class subs: black holes in the ocean"
LOL, I am pretty sure their technology is already compromised.
the first rule of the stealth club...
Huh. So they finally built the Red October for real.
no, actually the US did... check the propulsion specs on the Virginia class
Yeah. They sure did!
Sorry, that turned out to be a jet contrail:
http://contrailscience.com/los-angeles-missile-contrail-explained-in-pic...
Winston.
Yeah. That's what I heard as well.
Russia has ONE aircraft carrier, China, NONE.
There's a reason for that. Soviet Russia decided to base it's Naval prowess on the silent service and air and sea based missile deterrence instead of carriers.
Why? Because they are "sitting ducks" that's 'why".
Don't take my word for it, talk to the guys that fly off of them for a living who will tell you how vulnerable they are from land, air and sea based missiles.
Sounds like an excuse to continue believing Russia or China are a military "threat" to us.
Remember, Iraq was the worlds 4th greatest army.....before we destroyed them in 3 days without ever stepping on the sand.
Please!!
The MIC that costs so much DOES have a lot to show for the investment.
(I have a mental bet going here)
Crushing victory aside.
Depending on how old you are and what you remember... It took the U.S. and U.K more than 3 months to pre-position all of it's land based heavy equipment and comunications into place before that "devastating victory" happened.
Ever ask yourself why Saddam didn't attack us when he recognized the obvious build up within the first month? Sure he knew he would have probably ended up facing defeat. But why did he just sit it out and wait? Chemical and biological weapons Iraq had? Of course! And guess who helped him build that capability along with the locations for all the bunkers where they were stored?
Nuclear ballistic warheads? Na. And I don't think President Obama and "Bennie" know where everything is in that Country of 143 million like we did in Iraq during the Gulf War.
My advice?
Wrap that (mental bet) around that dick of yours and begin "stroking"
Battleplan - Blitzkreig
Aircraft Carriers = Sitting Ducks.
They should have just worked on Amphib aircraft way back then instead of trying to make an airport float.
Typical, dumb and brute linear engineering.
ori
it was before ww 2 that man developped the aircraft carrier.
at that time a aircraft carrier was just a floating airport because there was no missile hitting them at all.
and no. it's not dumb and brute linear engineering.
it was a marvel of human engineering
Sounds like the final score of their last World Cup match....
China has one with several more in progress
Yup.
Yeah. One version of it anyway.
Always wondered how "magneto-hydro-dynamic drive" comes out "caterpillar".
They are diesel electric. Where are the steath fuel tanker ships? What need to follow the subs when you can follow the support?
Good question? Must have unbelieavable range once "on electric" that those fuel tanker ships don't need to follow so closely -Huh?
How the hell did they get so close inside California to throw that one up in air? Almost forgot to mention that incident in the Pacific where those "types of submarine" were shadowing us for days and we didn't know it!
The Admiral of CINCPAC was rotated out of his position because of that mishap... Wasn't his fault? Hope he told that to the boyz in Washington who farm that kinda work out to the likes of GD? If anyone is to blame it's them!
Just ask the USAF about the "Ruster" and how well the Joint-Strike program is working out?
Sure hope they're ready with what they have??? You know... Given all the money we're spending on destabilizating Countries and all. Bet GD wishes they had had NED/USAID project funding to plug all those nasty "holes" and "cracks" in our planes and ships!
The F-35 or Joint Strike is a huge piece of shit that costs a fortune. Our allies will keep bailing on it. The whole Washington DC MIC procurement process is so corrupt.
Ditto.
I come from a family of Navy. My Dad was a fighter pilot Vietnam-vintage as well as my Uncles and they say you don't even want to know how badly our defense programs are being run these days from the kids still in service.
Our submarines?... Like everything else. These guys know that our military is on it's last legs with the way they've been misused and in their sick twisted fucking brains they want to use what they have regardless of how it may turn out. In too many respects to count we are Russia circa 1990 that had just finished with defeat in Afghanistan and wanting nothing more with "moar" war. The Russian strategic command could have pulled something like what we are attempting to do now but they didn't -Did they?
As much economic suffering as they endured in the 90's from the U.S., U.K. and Europe that attempted to pick it clean, for them at least the nuclear option wasn't on the table, and if it had been we probably wouldn't be writing on this blog right now. This is why a confrontation with the Russians is unthinkable and beyond insane given the crisis of our economy which is our "military" given all the wars and occupations of the past 12 years alone. Our people are tapped out, furstrated, tired and deservedly so given the way these wars have been orchestrated.
Hope and pray that the boyz and girlz in sailor blue raise a "middle digit" along with the flag when they are asked to do the unthinkable.
They do the unthinkable now. They have no conscience.
Still have time to change it, but are the American people up to the task of taking it to the extreme to fix the problem at the Federal level?
Too “shit in your pants” scared of another "Bonus March"… Sooo... The alternative?
Either we rein in the problem now and make it "our business", or we'll be letting Russia and China do it for us when they are pushed beyond the brink. Trying to figure out how close you might be to the hypocenter of an atomic blast sucks when you "miss" on the calculations and wind up "too far out" and have to survive it.
I'd rather play the percentages on trying the former vs. the latter any day!
"Either we rein in the problem now and make it "our business", or we'll be letting Russia and China do it for us ..."
No American guts to "rein in the problem", so the latter will happen.
Afraid I'll have to concur based on our "track record".
Having said that, an important milestone was achieved last September when we were "all systems go" for war in Syria. If you think it was because of our lawmakers in Washington summoning courage to say "no" because of their constituents then you must be smoking some good shit. They wanted war in fact. It's the "enlisted ranks" that said "go fuck yourself"!
Now if we can just see the exact same trend with our strategic missile command and control. This should be our biggest concern as it's the story nobody wants to write or talk about -especially the replacement.
Guess we need to get on one knee and say some prayers!
The nukular Triad is obsolete, Boomers are the only viable part left.
Making a valid point which means we need to find "rear" 'Admiral Shlomo Weinstein' for that contingent -if you catch my drift.
PV solar options when they are scared to fire a fish. Show me the prop/s
'smlbizman'
If you want to get rid of that "shaky hand" syndrome then come to Washington D.C. and hang your "elected" representative from one of many beautiful oak trees in front of the building where he/she works!
Fixed it for ya!
Far more cherry trees.
Remember K Street will need somewhere to hang out.
That would be a helluva new twist on the cherry blossom festival! But even sweet cherry blossoms can't cover that stench in DC.
Obama's but just puckered so tight that Reggie Love is gonna think he's a virgin.
Anything that diminishes America or bolsters foreign tyrannies makes Obama smile.
I don't think so in this case, Obama's status as wuss vs Putin's "macho man" image has TOTUS pissed at this point. Not to mention any threat to the MIC is taken very seriously.
Oh riiiight, Obama is a patriot. That's the secret message of twenty years of jeremiah weight, teaching alinsky to acorn elites, community organizing, fucking the constitution right up the ass, Dreams from my father, moochelle I was never proud of America, and good old "pop" from his Ayers ghost written biographies, one certain communist named Frank Marshall Davis.
Man, I think you hit ever wingnut talking point in one 300 word sentence without taking a single breath. You are one jacked up mofo.
So he wasn't a community organizer then?
He didn't go to twenty years of Jeremiah wright sermons?
His every academic record isn't sealed?
His weirdly premature autobiographies don't mention that the communist Frank Marshall Davis was a father figure?
Obama did not work for ACORN(suing banks to force them to loan to credit unworthy people, in league with the Clinton DOJ, in order to put the CRA into effect)?
Is any of that not factual?
I'm having a difficult time following sice you responded to your own post. Was this aimed at me?
No. But as it happens I am confused a little. Do you think Obama is acting in America's interest on this, or any diplomatic front?
No I agree with you re Alinsky, Ayers, Wright... and would add that I think he's a traitorous bastard. His reaction to this has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with his public image.
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."
"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."
John F. Kennedy
April 27, 1961. "The President and the Press" speech before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
Do you get it yet? Obama is a tool, a frontman, a patsy. He only does what he's told, and it's not some unimportant twat like Saul fucking Alinski that's telling him what to do. Think bigger.
TBT
You're giving him too much credit. We don't even know his real name, for fuck's sake. His social security number was originally issued to some guy named Harrison J. Bounel in Connecticut. Mr. Bounel is listed as having been a resident of "Obama's" house in Chicago for a time.
We don't even know his real name.
We know he is favorite at the bath houses. That's about it.
Hmm. Harvard says he went to Harvard Law as do his classmates. Same deal with the pricey prep school in Hawaii and the other he "studied" or guest lectured We don't have academic records(grades, publications), but it's a fair bet he existed, with the name Barack Obama, both before and after living in Chicago. So what is this crap about us not knowing his name? If I were a conspiracy theorist tinfoil type, I might hypothesize you are infiltrating us legit obama haters and spewing crazy-er stuff to discredit us and thereby help, well, the fucking devil basically(statism kills, on a massive scale). But occams razor, there's a simpler explanation, that possibly you are a little tinfoil hatty. A little.
dissent is within the bounds of free speech but this all seems unwarranted
Are you fucking high? Just because he has been known as "Barack Obama" doesn't mean that was his birth name, or some name he adopted later, or that he went by different names at different times. He's a complete fucking cipher with such a thin (VERY thin) veneer of legitimacy that anybody who spends even the slightest amount of time researching him, can scrape off with their fingernail.
His name wasn't Barack or Barry Obama when he was enrolled in ther school in Hawaii as a teenager, and every situation thereafter? Any evidence at all of that?
There are professors at Columbia who have said they have no memory of the jagoff being on campus. Ever.
But he said he was a prof there. M'kay.
I'm agitprop? Nice.
But he said he was a prof there. M'kay.
I'm agitprop? Nice.
He supposedly taught a Constitutional Law las(yes,I know LOL).Also, his legal name when his traitorious(Merican hating) SO called Mother married #2, was Barry Sotero,while he atteeded a Muslim school.Both fathers were avowed commies, and Muslims.HE changed his name BACK to Barack Hussein Obama after his sperm donor daddy.
These are well documented facts,and no big deal.
Its a big campus.
not really. Graduate studies are not community college.
Which part is even speculation on my part?
Dude! get your head out of the Neocon, Hannity-Glenn Beck coke bowl. Obama is no different than Bush, Clinton, Bush 1, etc. He's a corporate bitch boy cum slut.
"and by his deeds you shall know him."
"Obamacare" was hatched by the fucking heritage foundation. These fucks are all on the same team, and you're not on it. Did you think fucking Mittensdorf toffeenose Romneytwat was going to save your ass?! Wake the fuck up!
I don't know why Obama was "selected", but I think it's fair to say that the Clintons don't like him. The Bush and Clinton families made all their money in drug trafficking so we know how and why they got elected. Obama? Who the fuck knows.
The idea that the Heritage Foundation hatched Obamacare is awfully unlikely. I'd sure like to see some documentation to back that assertion.
Here you are sir:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-...
No doubt.
WWII wasn't that long ago.
That's on the asset side of the balance sheet. On the liabilities side there are matching black holes. Malinvestment anyone? Russia's economy and demography and tragic social and physical capital make them a fading player, and barely a medium sized one at that. And they are buying shit like this, and the Olympics, another black hole.
Yes, true. Green. Russia has epic problems. And oil & gas won't solve them.
and being more buddy with China than USA is another card to play. 2015??? OK more time to pop corn and video out...
We got some Russians here for sure, I made a crack about their rotten demographics on another thread and got a red deluge.. Truth hurts bitchez, we got plenty of painful truth over here as well so suck it up..
Indeed. Boris alotovkrap could have been helpful. I guess he is busy having a life this weekend.
"We got some Russians here for sure,"
Yep, opinions are signs of citizenship.......
Except with the OBLAMA, we need paperwork and then we don't believe it....
Umm, math as in demographics is not subject to opinion it is or isn't.. You have an opinion to share on 2+2=4?
The Hunt for Red October.
Quick. Get me the worlds greatest actor online, Arec Bardrin of the Film Actors Guild.
Film Actors Guild is a great acronym.
Shum things in he-ah don't react well to bulletsh.
They're only "black holes" while the batteries are charged. Still no match for nuclear subs.
Ukraine, Syria And Global De-Dollarization: USD To Go Down And Gold Up
What is connecting so different countries as Ukraine and Syria? The big chess game played by the U.S. and Russia. Syria needs to be "liberalised" in order to build pipelines for the natural Gas to be supplied from Qatar to Europe. Russia and China have blocked that game and they have Ukraine revolution 2.0 now. Putin's dream is to rebuild USSR as the Eurasian Union and Ukraine is the key to his success. He will not back out of it easily. One thing is an insult in the ice hockey defeat by the U.S. in Sochi and another thing is to lose "Small Russia". On the map below you can see why Ukraine is so important geopolitically, it is all about Energy again. Key supply natural Gas routes from Russia to Europe are crossing this country.We do hope that Ukraine will not ignite the real war, but you can be assured about the asymmetrical moves with the heavy weaponry of The Financial War. Here where we are coming to the ongoing flight of physical Gold from the West to the East and the coming De-Dollarisation. Democracy - so well presented by Netflex with its "House of Cards' production - meets countries with the special destiny, where elites are not hiring actors to read teleprompters, but making all the dirty work by themselves. Ukraine will be the very bad example for these leaders: that you can come, make a few phone calls and even f**k the EU deciding who will lead the sovereign country next. The least they can do is to accelerate the De-Dollarization and call the bluff called the "food stamp recovery and Taper". US Dollar is levitating just above crucial 80.00 level, with all Taper hype and currency distractions in the emerging markets. Gold is breaking to the upside and any additional strain on the U.S. "recovery" can ignite the next leg down in US Dollar. China will be playing its own game getting ready to the global reset: accumulating record amount of Gold and encouraging its citizens to do the same. http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/ukraine-syria-and-global-de.html#
In other news Russia will play nice in Ukraine. Dream on.
We asked for it, now we're going to get it. Maybe Nuland can talk some more shit.
"yeah. America's gonna get it now. By launching submarines to defend Assad's Damascus."
It's all yours Tylers Durden. You can have Israel too. And Lebanone.
I do find it interesting that the US Navy has just issued a report saying we need to fully fund the 300,000 man Army we've created in Afghanistan.
Wonder where that thing is going....
Submarines mean boots on the ground, which will be hugely effective against AK wielding Hezbollah types. Check mate, bitches.
I do find it interesting that the US Navy has just issued a report saying we need to fully fund the 300,000 man Army we've created in Afghanistan.
Wonder where that thing is going....
Well, while U wonder that sir, I wonder why the Militaries use of food stamps in up ^ 233% on OBsuckme's watch?.
deisel electric, they should be very proud, they are all the way back to WW2 technology
Not too smart, are you?
Diesel-electric engines these days burn with catalysts and as such are completely silent. Hardly the clunking diesels of yesteryear.
One wonders if systemic underestimation of an opponent's military among the populace is part of the run up to the initiation of war. Seems like the same thing happened in the South prior to the start of the Civil War. It would make for an interesting sociology paper.
they still need to refuel and come up for air once in awhile or is this the "new" diesel technology era that burns ocean water? lulz out loud!
Diesel electric subs are very efficient and quiet, and they can put up a snorkel for air.
And if they have more efficient modern batteries (non-Fisker) they are super quiet.
Only takes one well placed torpedo to sink an aircraft carrier.
snorkle, oh yeah bitchez! hahahahahahaha!!!!!
I hear the Carl Vinson is practicing a 'Crazy Ivan'...
the nanosecond you put up a snorkel for air you're a target... you may as well display a "kick me" sign
anyone who thinks these things are a match for a Virginia class is delusional... Russia may as well patrol the Black Sea with fucking rowboats if this is all they can bring to the table
Sure, the U.S. is dominant and always will be, even though all our money and talent is going to parasites on Wall Street.
Germany and the U.S. underestimated the Russians in WWII, and how did that work out?
um, the usa HELPED RUSSIA during ww2. what, you think the usa sided with the germans and japanese during the big one? hahahahahaha!!
And Russia sort of helped the Germans knock over Poland too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
Funny how everyone forgets that part.
Thats not what he said...
In private FDR and Marshall thought the Soviets would collapse (until Verdun on the Volga occurred)...
BTW, the USSR would have been hosed without ~250,000 Dodge trucks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_WC_series
Not to mention the 1000 or so locomotives they shipped...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_USSR
In other words the US provided the means to satisfy logistical requirements...
Crap, I had to upvote flakmeister here. Maybe I should back away from the keyboard and go enjoy the gorgeous weather we've got here.
They were allies right up until the race for Germany.
Patton tried to tell high command and they ignored him then knocked him off.
As a result, Germany was divided in two for over 50 years.
How many tax dollars have been wasted defending Western Europe and bailing out their banks?
Too many.
Because it took 20 years to raise a German soldier.
Months to make new armaments.
There would have been no D day without the German army mostly tied in the east.
You and PTS are ignorant, the dolphin class Israel ships out its nukes on are a diesel electric variant produced by Germany, the Chinese sub that surfaced a few years back in the middle of an American CTF was a kilo class the battery drive are incredibly quiet and in many scenarioes quite the match for nuke boats. Do some research or prove your ignorance your call..
I understand Patton wanted exactly that. Combine forces with Germans and go after Russia.
If Hitler had listened to Erwin Rommel and Karl Doenitz from day one it would've been a different outcome alltogether
if Hitler listened to his generals he wouldnt never have started ww2
Don't forget Charles XII (Sweden) and Napoleon (France)
Don't forget Charles XII (Sweden) and Napoleon (France)
Rule nummmmer 1 no land attacks on da Mudderland in Vintertime!,Es Crazeee Axe Hitler!.(add to above list)
Besides, the next war(if it's with Russia, will not be boots on da gound, it will be nuclear,bank it.
eb - you said it all. they will fight. the russians handed plenty of people their asses back. it's different this time? the first time some yankee gets killed, it's spilled all over msm 24/7 and the whining never ends. 24/7 9/11 for how many years?
Yeah, well, they bring significantly more than that though.
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Articles/Detail/?id=150713
http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2013-06/russian-submarine-flee...
Ultimately, the US Navy would be too much for them, but they sure would sink a lot of American vessels first. And just hope the "black holes" aren't tasked with delivering ICBM's to your favorite TCBY. And, of course, losing a couple/few carriers - which is probable - greatly impacts the extent to which the US can swing its dick in the Pacific.
But while measuring our dicks is fun, the United States simply has no business fucking around in Ukraine. Somehow, it became okay for the US President to lecture and bomb as he pleases. Whatever happens in Ukraine - doesn't actually directly affect the security of the US.
Chickenhawk neocons have absolutely mesmerized the country. Why in the fuck should the US be meddling in Ukraine, let alone ever consider going hot over it.
This world policeman/thug shit has gotta stop. If nothing else, we can't afford it.
Oh yeah the neocons have americans itching for foreign entanglements now. Theyre calling the shots, from handing over Iraq to Iran, to handing over Egypt to the Muslim brotherhood, to tripling down in Afghanistan with rules of engagement from hell and a no matter what pullout date.
And just what will be the oxidizer?
Edit: You know, when its running under water....
That info is readily available online.
Even in several well researched novels.
I'd give you the formula but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand the basic chemistry.
Trust me buddy, if you got a down arrow around here following my shutout, you really made yourself look stupid...
You are in luck, I'll make it two...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-independent_propulsion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_class_submarine
Whose stupid? Flak your ignorance and dependence on the "status quo" scientific method has been well documented, go away..
Yeah, and if you look closely you either sacrifice speed or range....
BFD if you can do 10 kn and the Dolphins have snorkels last time I checked...
They clearly decided to stick with diesel given the long list of nuclear accidents in their sub fleet...
BTW, anyone relying on diesel/snorkel technology will be dead meat in this era...
So even if thought they have an established track record of building and operating nuclear submarines they decided to go with Diesel for this particular type of application because... I know! They don't know any better! Right? I mean if they only had the sense to come here at ZH and ask for our advice, they wouldn't have fucked up so badly. BTW the accidents had to do with the notoriously shoddy Soviet quality control, there was nothing inherently wrong with the designs.
Clearly you missed the snark flag...
BTW, so why would "notoriously shoddy Soviet quality control" have gotten better?
It has trust me.I have seen alot of Soviet made elecrical components (the high power type) and a lot of Russian contemporary components. The difference is huge.
In Russia you get fired for not doing your work. In the Soviet Union you pretended to work, they pretended to pay you.
Thanks for the clarification....
I know that Russians are very capable of high quality work if the motivation is there. They built the bulk of the muon detection system for the D0 experiment at Fermilab and that was back in the late 90's...
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/2172571_The_Muon_System_of_the_R...
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FWIW, all the Russians I have known, and there have been alot over the years, think Putin is a thug...
my best friend is Russian from moscow.
he loves Putin
You don't know a fucking thing about submarine warfare or the capabilities of modern diesel electrics. A modern diesel electric (like this russian class) are the most quiet and least detectable submarines in the ocean. A diesel electric can sit on the the ocean floor for weeks emitting no noise whatsoever depending on how much liquid Oxygen is stored onboard and the efficiency of the air purification equipment. You can never turn off the nuclear reactor cooling mechanism in a nuke sub because you will get something called a fucking nuclear meltdown. They are really fucking noisy, btw. Did you ever notice that when you are perfectly quiet and still you can detect the faintest noises that you normally wouldn't even notice owing to the sound your own body is making? That's the general idea of a diesel electric attack sub.
All nuclear subs have an acoustic signature that is detectable especially by a diesel electric resting motionless on the ocean floor. USN uses nuke subs because we project power globally and have to sail 1/2 way around the world to reach their station. A diesel electric attack submarine is the ideal submarine for the mediterranean theater owing to their size and aforementioned qualities and they would take a significant toll on any USN assets (especially a big noisy CBG) if properly deployed.
Leave the climate "scientist" alone :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
Hey Flak maybe those stupid Russians can ship out with a 250 KNOT cavitating nose torpedo, yeah they are morons alright.. You should head over and talk them out of using nasty fossil fuels I am sure you would recieve a warm welcome..
Great analysis. My guess is very few here have every worked with Russians in recent years. They are ***king smart. The only issues is they know it and remind you of that fact regularly.
As far as the USA. The MIC procurement is so corrupt that a lot of USA military hardware is shit. M4's based on a 50+ year old design still have issues. The F-35 joint strike fighter is a piece of shit and is sucking up every defense dollar. The USA is where the old USSR was. Totally corrupt.
The Russian anti ship and anti aircraft missiles including torpedoes are very good. The F-35 software is only a decade or more behind schedule and if any of the code fails it falls like a rock. A total piece of shit. I would guess they have Indians and affrimative action types writing the code along with Americans. The Russians are some of the best software coders in the world.
Chinese sourced parts on many Americans weapons systems - you know like the cheap shit you buy at Lowes, Home Depot or Harbor Freight that fails after a few minutes.
The M4 and American night vision are about the only things worth a shit that we still make. Otherwise, you're completely correct. Everything else sucks ass.
Umm, ITT is okay but you might want to check up an that M4 design, catch the news lately..
Will any of them be captained by Sean Connery?
I think the plan is to use a Russian Captain with a Scottish accent.
IIRC, Lithuanian....
Edit: My don't the Hedgetards have a hard time with facts:
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_for_Red_October
You are just a precious snowflake arent you.. Researched Red October to make sure you were right about the nationality of a fictional character, ha...
Just backing a claim by citing a fact...
Something you are completely unfamiliar with...
It's a pity that projecting power in the Mediterranean is of no use in putting down rebels on Dneiper....
only if the casting is done right and we have a good screenplay.
we might have to have Batman make an appearance even though it will make no sense in any way shape for form vis a vis the product.
it's all about cross marketing now...you've got to get with the program. you should see what we're working on in Kiev right now!
Ladies and Gentlemen of the planet Earth: please refrain from funding these war mongering megalomaniacal dinosaurs any further, and do politely suggest to them that they should grow up.
We are not able to track US or Soviet subs for any length of time unless we get a sniff. US and Soviet subs can use speed to evade Aircraft and ship assets. When they kick it up to 30 knots they do get noisey but they leave all of our tracking behind and we have to start over on our tracking. The subs will stay hidden if they want until the first torpoedo or missle is launched, we might get the sub after that event and we might not. If the goal is to take out a carrier then they will probably accomplish that. The wake homing torpoedo is still the shoot and forget weapon that allows a sub to reposition after firing. If the soviets use Diesel Subs for maritime coastal operations ie shallow water then we have little defense. Soviets are the best at Sub technology, we did a good job but the oceans are a big place. I am speaking from experience both as Air asset and ship board
the thing has a 400 nm range and is set up to patrol duck ponds... this is no problem for the US Navy, I assure you
other navies exist because the us navy allows it
M'kay. Like these guys?
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/us-naval-ship-runs-aground-202542644--sp...
He he he i don't read this kind of news in the newspaper or mainstream pompous lines... just be aware of it now
Read the implied, the Russians are so weak (and useless) that they even need USN presence nearby, OTOH the Americas are strong that they protect everything... lol
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US naval ship runs aground in Black Sea
Newswire – Wed, Feb 19, 2014 9:25 AM NZDT
One of two US naval ships sent to the Black Sea as a security precaution for the Sochi Olympic games has run aground at a Turkish port.
The frigate USS Taylor briefly ran ground last Wednesday as it was preparing to moor at Samsun, where it was due to refuel, Navy officials say.
The ship was able to dock at the port and an initial inspection indicated the ship's propeller blades suffered some damage, but there was no damage to the hull, officials say.
It was unclear when the ship, which has a crew of about 200 sailors, would return to its duties in the Black Sea, says Commander Philip Rosi, spokesman for the US Sixth Fleet, which oversees American ships in the Mediterranean.
He said in an email that "it is too early to determine the impact to the schedule."
The embarrassing incident came after the Pentagon made a point of announcing the deployment of the frigate as well as another ship, the USS Mount Whitney, a command vessel, to the region to coincide with the Winter Olympics.
There were no reported injuries.
Amid concerns about possible terror attacks by Islamist militants at the games, Washington sent the two ships to the region in case of an emergency requiring the evacuation of Americans or other military assistance.
US officials had previously complained that Russian authorities were reluctant to share some intelligence on potential threats.
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/us-naval-ship-runs-aground-202542644--spt.html
do you realize this is just pure provocation by the US fleet?
and dont you think that this ship was closely followed by russian subs? LOL
You can quote from Janes but you are useless as a tactical asset since you cannot use your brain. The US Navy has plenty of problems, remember we just ran aground trying to get to the dock last week.
If Putin is playing chess, he is at least 2 tempos behind and he just let someone complete a fianchetto....
He is too much of a thug to use anything but the sledgehammer of direct military intervention, which will go unopposed by the West... He will thereby lose by at first winning, as it will become a replay of "Kabul on Dnieper"....
If he truly has diplomatic skills, he will cede "independence" for western ukraine while exacting beneficial terms for gas transfer payments...
The EU and the rest just have to sit back and watch his position literally self-immolate...
Yes, but Putin knows that the weaknesses created by the g2-g3 move can be used by the opponent to get at the King: either by getting pieces into the holes (f3 and h3), or by using the h-Pawn to lever open the h-file, or some combination of these ideas. If the Bishop is removed, all that will be left is a network of holes.
Game over, muthafucka!
Putin doesn't care as long as the money flows in and he isn't embarrassed...
Not much to choose between him and Mobuto....
This morning I just read in the local newspaper in its Int'l section this headline: "Ukrainian new govt is seeking financial help as much as US$ 35 BILLION from the West". Fyi the newspaper sources its Int'l & Economy news all from the MSM outlet, which i guess a common practice in many nations.
I just have big smile reading such headline... who will take the bills now? Brussels? IMF? Mr. Yellen prints a bit more in extra to absorb it?? Putin may just let the West take the bills so he acts slowly... just defend the East, the South and Crimea, all the areas that matter for Russia instead of having to feed all the Poles and the new Nazis in Kiev!
Subs in the Black Sea and Med are handicapped by the shallow, narrow waters. There are not that many places to hide and they can all be checked. Land based Helicoptors and planes can easily hunt them 24/7 if the need arises. This move does little to does little to add any real strength. The announcement is just propoganda.
Really ? How many sonobuoys do those land base Helos carry. Sono processing computer suites? trained sono operators ? Hubris. I once got lucky and found a periscope on the surface during training excercise where I knew to look for a sub in a certain area. As soon as they heard me overhead, I lost them. You do not know what you are talking about.
Do you really think we still hunt for subs that way? A hole in the ocean disrupts gravitional forces that can be tracked by satellites. These satellites see underwater waves.
yeah. go flying your planes and helis where russia can strike with his notorius good and efficent missiles...
good idea! :)
As long as Turkey is part of NATO, they can and will CLOSE down the Bosphorus straigh (with mines, anti-submarine nets, depth charges, naval batteries) whenever USA feels like, and all those "stealth" diesel subs in the Meditarrenean will NOT be able to get back to base in the Black sea, and will simply be forced to surface in order to recharge batteries. Talk about "stealth" then... LOL.
Alternatively, those subs that are still inside the Black sea basin will be locked within Black sea without ability to move to the Meditarranean. As long as Turkey is member of NATO (and no doubt peed-off at Russian stance in Syria) the Russian Black Sea fleet is pretty much USELESS!
Commies knew about it and only stationed the most decrepit and obsolete ships there. In 1970-80s the Black sea fleet had the oldest ships and was nowhere near as strong as the North/Atlantic and the Pacific fleets.
Russia does this "we're going into Meditarrenean to face US Fifth Fleet" thing as a PR campaign for internal consumption. Strategically they and NATO alike know this is only "for show!"
P.S. "Most advanced" Russian carrier: 12-15 aircraft. The most "obsolete" US carried has 60-70 aircaft. Go figure...
Do you know you just ruined the day for the pro-russki commenters here? Shame on you!
Remind me of the last time a Russian carrier based plane took off to provide direct support of a projection of Russian power...
Only takes one wake homing topoedo to eliminate a carrier. Then how good are those aircraft ? This has all been debated at the War college for years. We put most of our money into a carrier based fleet from a WW2 model. We should have a bunch more subs and ocean going patrol boats we don't. In a true steath shoot out we are screwed.
+1 good stuff, but thats why uncle sam built all those bases all over the place. they arent going to risk the carriers, are they? Need those to scare China, don't they?
US mil is unparalleled... Ivan's just pushing up the potential cost of taking our nwo roadshow to his neck of the swamp.
You are completely correct. The first 15 minutes of a real kinetic fight, 65% of the US fleet will be sitting on the bottom of the ocean including all the carriers that happen to be at sea.
These people jerking off to military propoganda movies don't have a clue. Go back to your "Act of Valor" spank session boys.
https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ss-n-26.htm
Exactly right their missile tech is FIRST world even if half the country is drunken peasants who cannot drive.