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The Conspiracy Theory Is True: Agents Infiltrate Websites Intending To "Manipulate, Deceive, And Destroy Reputations"

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In the annals of internet conspiracy theories, none is more pervasive than the one speculating paid government plants infiltrate websites, social network sites, and comment sections with an intent to sow discord, troll, and generally manipulate, deceive and destroy reputations. Guess what: it was all true.

And this time we have a pretty slideshow of formerly confidential data prepared by the UK NSA equivalent, the GCHQ, to confirm it, and Edward Snowden to thank for disclosing it. The messenger in this case is Glenn Greenwald, who has released the data in an article in his new website,, which he summarizes as follows: "by publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself." Call it Stasi for "Generation Internet."

Greenwald's latest revelation focuses on GCHQ’s previously secret unit, the JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group).

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:

Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”:

Then there are the tactics used to destroy companies the agency targets:

Critically, the “targets” for this deceit and reputation-destruction extend far beyond the customary roster of normal spycraft: hostile nations and their leaders, military agencies, and intelligence services. In fact, the discussion of many of these techniques occurs in the context of using them in lieu of “traditional law enforcement” against people suspected (but not charged or convicted) of ordinary crimes or, more broadly still, “hacktivism”, meaning those who use online protest activity for political ends.

The title page of one of these documents reflects the agency’s own awareness that it is “pushing the boundaries” by using “cyber offensive” techniques against people who have nothing to do with terrorism or national security threats, and indeed, centrally involves law enforcement agents who investigate ordinary crimes:

Greenwald's punchline is disturbing, and is sure to make paradnoid conspiracy theorists crawl even deeper into their holes for one simple reason: all of their worst fears were true all along.

No matter your views on Anonymous, “hacktivists” or garden-variety criminals, it is not difficult to see how dangerous it is to have secret government agencies being able to target any individuals they want – who have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crimes – with these sorts of online, deception-based tactics of reputation destruction and disruption.


The broader point is that, far beyond hacktivists, these surveillance agencies have vested themselves with the power to deliberately ruin people’s reputations and disrupt their online political activity even though they’ve been charged with no crimes, and even though their actions have no conceivable connection to terrorism or even national security threats. As Anonymous expert Gabriella Coleman of McGill University told me, “targeting Anonymous and hacktivists amounts to targeting citizens for expressing their political beliefs, resulting in the stifling of legitimate dissent.” Pointing to this study she published, Professor Coleman vehemently contested the assertion that “there is anything terrorist/violent in their actions.”

At this point Greenwald takes a detour into a well-known topic: Cass Sunstein. Who is Cass Sunstein? Recall: "Obama Picks Cass Sunstein (America’s Goebbels?) To Serve On NSA Oversight Panel."

Government plans to monitor and influence internet communications, and covertly infiltrate online communities in order to sow dissension and disseminate false information, have long been the source of speculation. Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups.


Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups” which spread what he views as false and damaging “conspiracy theories” about the government. Ironically, the very same Sunstein was recently named by Obama to serve as a member of the NSA review panel created by the White House, one that – while disputing key NSA claims – proceeded to propose many cosmetic reforms to the agency’s powers (most of which were ignored by the President who appointed them).

But while until now there was speculation that Sunstein's policies had been implemented, there was no proof. That is no longer the case:

... these GCHQ documents are the first to prove that a major western government is using some of the most controversial techniques to disseminate deception online and harm the reputations of targets. Under the tactics they use, the state is deliberately spreading lies on the internet about whichever individuals it targets, including the use of what GCHQ itself calls “false flag operations” and emails to people’s families and friends. Who would possibly trust a government to exercise these powers at all, let alone do so in secret, with virtually no oversight, and outside of any cognizable legal framework?

What is perhaps most disturbing is the level of detail these modern day Stasi agents engage in, paradoxically proposing social subversion without realizing they themselves would be susceptible to just that. And all it would take is one whistleblower with a conscience:

Under the title “Online Covert Action”, the document details a variety of means to engage in “influence and info ops” as well as “disruption and computer net attack”, while dissecting how human being can be manipulated using “leaders”, “trust, “obedience” and “compliance”:

The documents lay out theories of how humans interact with one another, particularly online, and then attempt to identify ways to influence the outcomes – or “game” it:

Greenwald's conclusion is spot on:

These agencies’ refusal to “comment on intelligence matters” – meaning: talk at all about anything and everything they do – is precisely why whistleblowing is so urgent, the journalism that supports it so clearly in the public interest, and the increasingly unhinged attacks by these agencies so easy to understand. Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in “false flag operations” to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that.


Whatever else is true, no government should be able to engage in these tactics: what justification is there for having government agencies target people – who have been charged with no crime – for reputation-destruction, infiltrate online political communities, and develop techniques for manipulating online discourse? But to allow those actions with no public knowledge or accountability is particularly unjustifiable.

So the next time you run into someone in a chat room or a message board who sounds just a little too much like a paid government subversive... it may not be just the paranoia speaking. For the full details "why not", read the formerly confidential slideshow below.


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Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:42 | 4473592 VD
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francis_sawyer was an agent but he is deaded now...


& Sunstein is one of the vilest humans to ever infect this planet...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:42 | 4473612 fonzannoon
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But his spirit lives on.

In any event I'm a little bummed out about Snowden. Big brother is watching, and trolls are on the internet....I was hoping for a bit moar....

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:45 | 4473625 VD
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it's just another friendly reminder that there are always agents using any means necessary using divide and conquer tactics to split the community apart...this has happened here with bigoted stupidity and nefarious plants...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:52 | 4473667 BlackChicken
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I just wish these bastards would spend as much time/energy/money actually running things right in the first place, than trying to spy on us to find out if we have figured out they're full of shit.

Freak show...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:11 | 4473753 ejmoosa
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IF they could do that then they would not need to be doing this.....

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:19 | 4473787 JoeSexPack
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You can dig it out of the ground for $5!


Math Man

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:23 | 4473799 BoNeSxxx
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OK I admit it... I am a government shill.

Really, I believe:

  • The media is truthful and covers real news
  • The Fed is genuinely guided by the best interests of the country and the middle class
  • The military is used to keep peace
  • The Executive branch regulates corporations to keep the populace safe from corporate malfeasance
  • All wars were fought for peace, not profit
  • Vaccinations are beneficial and contain no additives
  • GMO food is regulated, tested, and we can be assured it is healthy for us to eat
  • Gold is a barbarous relic and dollar bills are real money
  • Guns are bad and the 2nd Amendment is a useless vestige of the American past
  • Etc.

The NSA won't track my activity because I am their friend and dutiful servant.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:41 | 4473856 AlaricBalth
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Hey Folks. Look over here. Pay no attention to the posted article. Miley Cyrus Kisses Katy Perry at Bangerz Tour Concert: See the Sexy Picture.

1. Control Attention
2. Big move covers little move
3. The target looks where you look
4. Attention drops at the perceived end
5. Repetition reduces vigilance

Hey NSA. I dazzled and decoyed and stimulated multiple sensors. Where the hell is my check???

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:42 | 4473874 logicalman
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Thanks for the useful info regarding good old Miley.

If it hadn't been for you, I might have missed that.


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:11 | 4473998 macholatte
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from the Greenwald website:

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group).



Something wrong here.

He worked with NBC NEWS? General Electric owns NBC - MSNBC - CNBC and is a prime Fascist Progressive multinational.  Talk about deception! Greenwald would have more credibilty if he worked with the Onion.

I'm calling BULLSHIT !!!


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:35 | 4474050 johnQpublic
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bluecobaltagent on youtube


even sounds like a shill name doesnt it

through email i was able to trace the fucker back to fort dietrich if memory serves

been a few years

why i got off youtube 4-5 years ago

there were a few others, but it has been awhile

nice to see my suspicions backed up

theres three of them here on zh (minimum)

can we name them?


edit: do you think they goto the effort of watching what you uptick?

sometimes it taes 3-4 tries to up vote a post, at least for me

anyone else have that issue?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:51 | 4474129 tenpanhandle
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I consistantly run into that problem.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:34 | 4474229 Soul Glow
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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:27 | 4474310 Indian_Goldsmith
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What if the creator of zero hedge, after getting arrested for stock fraud, decided to work for the secret agencies, and thereby opened zero hedge... That would be a real mindfuck, no? 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:32 | 4474361 chumbawamba
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It's all controlled opposition.  Even me.  Cass Sunstein and I trade shots on weekends.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:42 | 4474371 Rock On Roger
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I liked Francis's ramblings. Free Francis_Sawyer.

Pity Fonestar

Rock On Gold Shirt Dude


Stack On

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:51 | 4474377 0z
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Where is Neo !?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:37 | 4474459 Supernova Born
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Mt. Gox is offline.

Over and over and over on Bloomberg.



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:38 | 4474478 GetZeeGold
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I've got this thrill running up my leg.....what more do I need to tell you?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 08:55 | 4474671 economics9698
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The Obots did that in 2008 in the Orlando Sentinel.  Fucking dumb ass names like Billy Mays, Gator Girl, and coming off as all American while writing incoherent shit.  

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:24 | 4474959 gmrpeabody
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Who's Cheeky Bastard...?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:35 | 4474998 Bendromeda Strain
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Where's Project Mayhem?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:41 | 4475019 Rubbish
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I am a spook

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:36 | 4474995 Bendromeda Strain
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Even worse than that, one of the Oathkeepers higher ups got a hidden child porn payload delivered via TOR, supposedly from a trusted acquaintance. He smelled a rat and had it cracked open forensically. He absolutely suspects official hand involvement.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:47 | 4474841 sleigher
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That's because he was right about many things, but it isn't PC to say that or accept it.  So he has to be the stupid banned troll or whatever...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:17 | 4474934 Flakmeister
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His own hate did him in....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 01:23 | 4479102 gonetogalt
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His name was Francis Sawyer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:31 | 4474360 Herd Redirectio...
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The first online community I ever saw paid posters was when MMA (UFC) was just getting popular, in the early 2000s.  Some posters were just RABID supporters of the UFC's owners, no matter WHAT the criticism (rules, matchmaking, fighter pay, or any other source of controversy).

They always always always were on 'corporate's side.  So it was really quite simple to figure out they were paid posters.  And from there it was easy to figure out "If the UFC will do it..."

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:57 | 4474159 disgustipated
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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:18 | 4474467 Supernova Born
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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:26 | 4474522 GetZeeGold
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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 08:48 | 4474655 SilverIsKing
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MDB was used as a decoy to provide cover to the other .gov trolls.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:03 | 4474689 American Dreams
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And before MDB was MDB he was Johnny Bravo, some of ya'll still remember that name I'm sure.


The front line is everywhere


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:51 | 4474856 Rylie
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I remember Leo and his Chinese solar stocks.

Man he was always good for a laugh.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:47 | 4474244 UselessEater
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several times I have had problems voting and replying, even loading ZH........anyhoo back to topic;

Snowden, Greenwald, book deal, Omidyar, document release "trickle-drip-drip".... suspiciously(?) managed whilstleblowing, smells like Tavistock

In my book, every government and big corporation is doing this shit and buying eachothers data..... a human of the 99.999% group is purely viewed as a Consumer required to Behave and Perform according parameters that allow maximum wealth extraction, indebtedness and retrospective criminalisation... its control for profit and/or just for the sick pleasure of being able to exert control... like Soro's in his young days of joyfully confiscating (jewish) peoples homes and property.

Mostly I do not trust this PR campaign against Americans for spying etc -no one is surprised or ignorant of the MIC, but it seems too convenient to be cultivating so much more distrust/dislike of the USA as we head into a global economic (war) crisis that could possibly convince sheeple we need a global currency, global central bank, global tax, global centralised planning, etc

The US may have been corrupted by TPTB but I'm buggered if I want the IMF and UN running my world.... if the USA goes, so do most of little developed nations like Aust/ thinks Snowden is a chess piece in a grander game


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:09 | 4475144 Welder
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Yes Sir, you nailed it. USA too must implode in order to cede sovereignty to the NWO. The NATIONAL STATE has served it's purpose and it's beeing pulled down by it's creators (their heirs, actually), for it's no longer needed.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:11 | 4475145 Welder
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Sorry for the DP (that's Double-Posting you pervs !)

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 05:36 | 4474439 Blano
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Yes I have that issue and it's on both my laptop and desktop, so I know it's not me.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:42 | 4474106 MythicalFish
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The JTRIG logo is a black widow?? Is it run by Johnnie English?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:58 | 4474166 JRev
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I'm happy to report that your BS meter is more than likely operating properly. It still baffles me that Greenwald, Snowden, et. al. can (supposedly) sit on a treasure trove of classified documents, release less than 1% of them, and still be considered the darlings of the "alternative" media. Jeremy Scahill is another one of these questionable characters, masquerading as "truth tellers" only to regurgitate the low-hanging fruit already picked and distributed by the likes of actual researchers.


Honestly, it was Sibel Edmonds' work on the NSA-Greenwald-PayPal-Bilderberg connection that really got the gears turning for me. Greenwald's childish response to her series on the matter made him show his true colors. I've had questions about it since day one, as mainstream outlets covering legitimate dissent is a virtual impossibility, but never something so concrete as the stuff BFP has put out.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:27 | 4474220 phaedrus1952
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I have said from day one - including numerous postings on this site - that this whole Snowden affair is very peculiar.  There should be no doubt as to the validity of all the released info - indeed it is almost trivial when Greenwald himself stated months ago that Snowden could "bring the government down in minutes"  with full disclosure.

Something much bigger is afoot.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:37 | 4474366 chumbawamba
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I already called it when Snowden first hit the scene.  No one got it when I told them they were being "snowed in", i.e. a "whitewash".  It was bullshit from the start.  If Snowden was really as he is portrayed in the MSM he'd have been dead before he leaked the first memo.  No one gets on the MSM unless they are either a shill or a patsy.

Anyway, this, too, will be ignored by most people, who will sleepwalk on, not realizing they are still being played.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:07 | 4474455 it aint easy
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Limited hangouts have such easy giveaways. Becoming a media darling from day one in all globalist controlled media is really all you need to concerning Snowden.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 08:23 | 4474616 Raging Debate
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Phaedrus1952 - It is pretty plain to me. In 1992 President Bush claimed we are creating a new world order. Global government from an evolutionary standpoint is inevitable, I realized this as leadership did then. I took Bush at his word and yawned. Russia said "No, there will be a multipolar world". I took them at their word and said "Hmm Ok wonder how the final evolutionary conflict will play out?" Then I got back to my own toils.
Here is the problem: I do not subscribe to the thinking the ends justifies the means.

Leadership lost my consent when they started robbing the little guy to fund NWO. As an astute commentator stated, imagine if leadership put this much energy of spying into doing it right?

What Snowden is revealing is not the intent of leadership which may have been well intended, it is the processes of what I explained above about the means they are attempting to fund it. I subscribe to the Marine Corps practice of the concept of honor, that no man be left behind.

As for the proud Russian bear, they are coming around to the idea of trade over force but the West is trying to push them too fast. They suffered a lot more damage in WWII then Stalin who even Putin says made big mistakes murder Russia's intelligensia. I am not a Putin zealot as some here. He may overreact out of pride and he is a nationalist.

I at times have been guilty of justifying the means to an end behavior. It is poor, sloppy, lazy and selfish. We as a species should set up global war games on the Internet where each country gets an even amount of resources and see who comes out on top over say a five year span. The solution sets that come out of it (and negatives) would be profoundly useful in the real world and let's face it, we all have one thing in common: We all love entertainment. I want to wrestle Putin on pay-per view. If we want to avoid WW3 we need far more entertaining methods of channeling competition and in the digital age why isn't some bright innovators and capitalists funding such? Owning "stuff" and competing for it will soon be a total waste of time. As in literally and within some of our lifetimes.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:53 | 4474566 Raging Debate
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Macholatte - The revolution began when the Supreme Court ruled corporations are persons. The general public has withdrawn consent. People that highlight flaws in models (that boil down to larceny and theft) and suggest better models will join up with bigger entities that took lo ger to come around.

The problem at times with pure libertarian ideology (it is what is strived for but too many hypocrites to often work for long) is that the concept of justice and revenge are often intertwined. This can cause blinders to be put on.

I remember Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform calling me a sellout when I was willing to work with a couple retired CB's and Irish Central that also did not approve of continuing Laissez Faire and Corporatism. I think Quinn means well, but is influenced by confirmation bias.

Best to be ready to forgive quickly and celebrate those who have a change of heart and are making atonement than shame them. This is not easy, I do better at practicing this but I'll admit it still takes a bit of effort.

I'll take the government sanctioned version of revolution it being a war of words and resources over a physical battleground any day of the week. I hate wasting time to change course but the good news is that man has evolved a bit from practicing less hot wars and more soft ones. At times our species behavior is still unacceptable, I cannot condone robbery. Period.
The shame is we are less than 50 years of our final evolution.

Leaders should look at science, the innovation of the quantum computer. While nearly all tools are used to decrease the difficulty of obtaining resources (trade) sometimes the obvious most beneficial application can be overlooked. I'm going somewhere and I feel it important so bear with me.

In the 15th century Europe wants to increase trade with Asia. So inventions in ship building and Galileo's science of relativity and observation of planets/sun tells man we won't fall off the earth if we sailed West to increase trade. The discovery of North and South America was worth say 100,000 tons of gold instead of 100 they had expected in increased trade! Plus they got the 100 tons from the Mayans immediately who viewed gold as trinkets and their understanding of science far more valuable (and the Mayans were right).

The quantum computer was built to crunch many billions of variables simultaneously compared to billions of raw calculations. But like stumbling into America, the quantum computer punches holes into the fourth dimension. Why spend 100-200 years solving millions of problems when we can go there? Why go there? Because every theory states that all the information about our entire universe MUST be there. We're already inserting intelligence in energy units to go to 4D and back here to 3D. Time to create probes that are launched and returned near instantly because time is accelerated in 4D. Next, after that portion of our DNA can be inserted like a seed (seeding is how life began and operates here) and it would grow in our time near instantly and our new evolved 'selves' would simply tell the rest of us what we want to know. We're collectively still wasting time when mankind has already won the race.

Those of scientific minds that want to speak email me at . Come one and all .gov and track me. The sooner you do, the faster you'll help us all succeed. Evolution guarantees it.
God bless you all. Yesterdays religion is todays science. Religions were right about immortality (at least next evolutionary version of it) and they were right material things are a waste of time in 4D. Read up on the quantum computer bright minds and how it operates. The first was in Cambridge MA, then Canadian company commercialized it, Dell has bought a few. Did ya know that? Bet most of you now having thoughts of 4D and 5D didnt. In the end, the humorous thing is that we'll get a chuckle when we realize a device was never needed to enter 4D.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:43 | 4473880 Stackers
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Brings the Julian Asange "rape" prosecution to mind. That whole things wreaks of fabricated conspiracy

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:17 | 4474034 disabledvet
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I wonder what the Christian Coalition's "family values type" stance is on all this.

hard to imagine at one time this country passed a Constitutional Amendment creating "Prohibtion."

Perhaps "Constitutional Amendment Inhibition" is in order here as "girls gone wild" seems to be the objective here..."and she was such a nice girl when she was growing up."

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:30 | 4474225 TBT or not TBT
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Family values beat the shit out of statist values.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:57 | 4474264 Colonel Klink
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Like this: 

Abusive priest gets disability, support from Twin Cities archdiocese

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:31 | 4474307 balolalo
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Ever wonder why lots of good comment threads on prescient articles seem to break down into moronic shit throwing?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 04:14 | 4474394 Acet
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All I know is that often enough some pretty insightful articles are almost immediately followed by a serious amount of anti-semitic posts or some really inane conspiracy theories.

It's almost as if somebody was polluting the first page to scare away anybody who got a link and came to check it, but is not an habitual frequenter of this site.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:19 | 4474468 StychoKiller
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Meh, sorry, but mining for Truth involves moving a lot of overburden...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:37 | 4474811 pods
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Nice.  Like the proper use of overburden.  :)

Basically any mining analogies.


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:24 | 4474470 antidisestablis...
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Well now we finally have an explanation for that.   99% of the people commenting on ZH are govt agents.  All this time I had assumed they were just paranoid jackasses but it turns out it was all an act.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:39 | 4474820 Uncle Remus
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Ever wonder why lots of good comment threads on prescient articles seem to break down into moronic shit throwing?

You mean besides the public "education"?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:18 | 4474466 StychoKiller
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They're all Pod People!!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:44 | 4474114 john39
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Assange is a fake. An intelligence asset. The rape allegation was meant to make him appear legitimate. I don't buy snowden either. Remember the snowden character from catch 22. The use of this name is no accident. Yes much true information has been disclosed. But ask yourself, what truly horrible lies is this partial disclosure being used to conceal?

Very evil people are currently in control of most of this world.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:49 | 4474126 Tim_
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"Whether it’s provided I can’t speak to until it’s been reported because it would be classified and I prefer that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions about what is public interest and what should be published" (Source).

"I don’t want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of journalists but what I will say is there’s no question that the US is engaged in economic spying" (Source).

"However, as I’ve said before I prefer for journalists to make those decisions in advance, review the material themselves and decide whether or not the public value of this information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the officials that ordered the surveillance" (Source).

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:01 | 4474177 disgustipated
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Snowden, Greenwald, Assange, Scahill...all agency shills imo

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:25 | 4474215 Fidel Sarcastro
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...and john39

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:30 | 4474224 Flakmeister
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A poor misguided Limbot....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:39 | 4474818 Raging Debate
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Disgustipated - All I can say about Assange and Snowden is it takes balls to be a moderate in this world at this particular time.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:19 | 4474354 Squiddly Diddly
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"Hey NSA. ....Where the hell is my check???"

We only pay in Bitcoin.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:10 | 4474501 Johnny Cocknballs
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6. Snowden is quite possibly a limited hangout operation. Tarpley is a frustrating mix of batshit crazy and insightful, but I'd suggest that he may be right on this one.  It may hinge on to what extent you think the corporate media is 'free' and uncoordinated. The extent to which the MSM covers the same stories, in the same basic way, and avoids covering the same stories, should suggest a high degree of cohesion between outlets.

7. Greenwald is, conceivably, the same sort of perfect deception that Obama is for TBTB looking to continue Bush policies without most noticing. Greenwald is far too intelligent to have agreed to this link between Snowden's revelations and Pollard. True, he released the info about the raw data from NSA going to Israel... but the rest of the MSM, including, famously, the NYT, "chose" not to cover that story at all because it wasn't 'surprising' or 'important.'   The fact that it is raw data makes it incredibly newsworthy - and virtually no MSM covered it?  That doesn't happen without intra-organizational cohesion and heavy pro-Israel influence and/or control.  So few people probably know about it, but he gets credit for his honesty and fearlessness as to Israel. Note that he may have started out with the best of intentions, but they "got to him."  Just a theory.  




Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:41 | 4473867 logicalman
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You lost me at •Etc.

Interestingly GCHQ is the child of Bletchley Park and Enigma.

At the end of WW2, the Brits grabbed all the Enigma machines they could lay their hands on and gave them away to friendly governments as a means of 'secure' communication. The thing is, they cracked Enigma pretty much completely in 1941, but sold it knowing full well they could read all communication using it pretty much like the daily newspaper. (slight hiccough in, I think 1943 when an extra wheel was added, but given the concept was figured out, it was just a case of hard work  to get back in)

That's why the cracking of Enigma was kept 'Top Secret' for 40 years.

Sneaky bastards are everywhere!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:10 | 4473992 Bananamerican
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"Sneaky bastards are everywhere!"
But mostly at, or near, the "top"

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:55 | 4474335 dow jones 20000
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how the hell do you think they got there in the first place?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:15 | 4474020 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I too would like to go on record stating I support everything our NSA and banker overlords are doing....

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:25 | 4473807 NemoDeNovo
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Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:39 | 4473861 emersonreturn
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i agree completely, it cannot be said often enough----FreeFrancisSawyer


freedom of speech and the essential fight club debate,

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:07 | 4473979 Icantstopthinki...
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That man had a name.


His name was Francis Sawyer.



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:10 | 4473995 fonestar
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We don't need Francis Sawyer.  We have fonestar now.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:35 | 4474082 TeamDepends
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Shouldn't you be defending your reputation over on the Bitcoin Worth Less Than A Tulip Now thread?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:58 | 4474338 HyBrasilian
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fonestar ~ you finally made me laugh :-)

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:51 | 4474376 smlbizman
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you got em all fooled chief....juciy fruit?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:01 | 4475462 viahj
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the tilda gives him away ;-P

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:58 | 4475087 tmosley
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Why do you pretend to be an idiot when you talk to fonestar?  You come up with the most idiotic arguments just to try to get any kind of dig at him, apparently not realizing how stupid it makes you look.

Mt. Gox is not bitcoin.  Mt. Gox is COMEX.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:39 | 4474086 Ness.
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Who?  Fuck fonestar.  He's a piker.  A shill.  A rube with an stated agenda.  


~any of you [homos] touch me!?  And I'll kill ya~



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:44 | 4474110 AlaricBalth
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Fonestar, I served with Francis Sawyer. I knew Francis Sawyer. Francis Sawyer was a friend of mine. Fonestar, you're no Francis Sawyer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:30 | 4474222 angel_of_joy
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Fonestar is just a phony star...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:32 | 4474227 Flakmeister
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Maybe Francis will find his personal Rudolf Hess and you will be able to buy his worldview in a book....

Francis did himself in, no one with that much hate can hold it in, it comes out eventually...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 05:09 | 4474424 BigJim
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Oh yeah? You've demonstrated on a number of occasions how much you hate the truth, but you're still here.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:47 | 4474483 GetZeeGold
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Kansas is going to be incinerated in 2 weeks.......and YOU DON'T CARE!!!


When that happens....please apologize to Flak.


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:54 | 4475063 Flakmeister
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More like 60 years...

Don't apologize to me, apologize to your kids and grandkids...

(Though the thought of some you precreating is downright scary).....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:54 | 4475428 MarsInScorpio
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This dustbowl, same as the last dustbowl, both preceding the next dustbowl.




Anyone who has looked at the very long-term temps (thousands of years) knows it's all just a cycle . . . we are where we were before, and where we will be again.



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:46 | 4475716 Flakmeister
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This is exactly the kind of of bullshit that deniers repeat to themselves so they can feel better...

Here is thousands of years, 800,000 to be precise

Point out the cycle that is currently driving things...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:23 | 4474957 Flakmeister
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An pray tell what truth would that be....

Not the one where every climate scientist except those with past/present funding from fossil fuel interests would have us accept?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:28 | 4476003 janus
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shouldn't you be wallowing about in some 3-star hotel, half-drunk, groping a middle-aged masseuse?


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:33 | 4478165 acetinker
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I could be wrong, but I firmly assert that God loves a smartass.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:42 | 4474108 Itgoestoeleven
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Fuck that asshole

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:23 | 4473797 Rock On Roger
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We can always throw the fucking electronic thing in the toilet.

I wonder if NSA spies on pencil and paper?


Stack On

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:35 | 4474083 Ranger4564
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They do.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:23 | 4473803 weburke
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They HOST the websites !  prison planet, ect, are run by ............... the same team they allegedly oppose. Which again is why there is just no point to imagine you can make a change. WHY they stir up the citizenry is to corral into  boxes. think rush limbaugh is an outsider? hannity? LEVIN???? no way.  there are none. There are plenty of guys with guns, and ammo, but, they will NOT be shooting anyone in charge. WHo is in charge? They are unidentified. The bullets are just to shoot your neighbors and criminals that have no political power. It is long since over. dont fight them. it is over.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:49 | 4474122 john39
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If they didn't fear us, they wouldn't need to go through all this trouble. The key lies in developing the power of discernment and the use of intuition.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:55 | 4474258 phaedrus1952
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... the use of intuition.

One of my all time favorite brainiacs - Carl Jung - was the only prominent psychology guy who claimed that our 'psyches' actually have six paths of information gathering ... the five physical senses and intuition.  

Well said, John.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:17 | 4474507 Johnny Cocknballs
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To learn who rules over Alex Jones, find out who Alex Jones can not criticize...

but who owns/manages his home station, terrestrial network, satellite network, and many if not most of his advertisers.

A Christian who never mentions Christ

a 9/11 Truther who never mentions the Israeli connections...

a 2nd amendment advocate who appears on TV to be a dangerous, out of control extremist.

Isn't it obvious what his role is?



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:39 | 4474817 Wen_Dat
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He and Jesse V

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:17 | 4474933 RaceToTheBottom
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Alex Jones is a waste of time.  Even listening enough to analyze him is falling prey to the smell of his waste.  He does not exist.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:49 | 4473858 Ignatius
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"...running things right in the first place..."  --  BlackChicken

Their intention is to steal and rule, not to 'run things right'.

At this point they're way ahead.

There are people who spend more time thinking about our lives than we do.  There are people who spend more time thinking about your life than you do. Think about that.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:12 | 4474007 cynicalskeptic
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But what happens when they've stolen everything there is to steal fre' oom the proles and have to start stealing from each other?  - Will there be 'only one or is there 'honor among thieves' where they've already agreed to how the loot is split?

Would be fun to see the final infighting among the 0.01% but I don't see it happening.


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:29 | 4474065 johnQpublic
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jailed for doing just that

never steal from a thief


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:00 | 4474491 GetZeeGold
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Madoff goes to jail.....and Corzine roams free.


This is class warfare!!!


Free Madoff.....he promises to bundle next time.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:49 | 4474123 SDShack
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It's the sociopath way. They always eventually over reach, becasue, it's in their DNA to over reach. They can never end, because there is no end to their appetite. Their system always works, until it doesn't. It's why they destroy so much and so many, and why the world is so fucked up.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:07 | 4474276 U4 eee aaa
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All those dead bankers piling up tells me they do steal from each other. I agree that it is in their DNA and once there are only dragons left on the land, they eat each other

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:12 | 4474713 Random
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"But what happens when they've stolen everything there is to steal fre' oom the proles and have to start stealing from each other?  - Will there be 'only one or is there 'honor among thieves' where they've already agreed to how the loot is split?

Would be fun to see the final infighting among the 0.01% but I don't see it happening."


This is the crux of the matter and it baffles many. Imho the "masters" aim is to waste everyone's time chasing random shit. The answer is not in this world and their plan is to prevent man from going where he should go. When thinking in materialistic terms this all charade makes no sense. But if you think that this control thing does not have an economic reason behind it (as the ultimate aim) but a spiritual one, everything makes sense. Just think about it, they (insert your favorite name/faction/designation) already have all the money/assets/etc and they have it for at LEAST 2500 years. You might say that they are afraid of losing control...well, when you have it for 2500+ years already you have to be very dumb to lose it now.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:53 | 4474862 Raging Debate
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Cynical Skeptic - As I said, the infighting IS already happening. Why would you feel wasting valuable time to "watch it happen" be OK at any level? There proper ways to win a war of ideas that provide win-win for all. They just take longer than brute force which at it's conclusion wastes even m
MORE time

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:49 | 4473908 kchrisc
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They are running things "right," if one considers their theft and impoverishment of the masses their goals"

Now that they have succeeded, they have to protect their necks, literally, hence the spying, murder, etc.


"See 'ya on the battlefield, as I'm no getting on any train."

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 08:26 | 4474621 Kobe Beef
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Amen. This will only end in death.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:59 | 4474265 OldPhart
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I've told this story before.

Telling it again, because I've personally have known that I've been actively monitored.

My son has been in Afghanistan for over eleven years.  He's a DOD contractor who does 'communications'.  He's been sent on special forces missions and has been blown up three times.  We just accept that we don't really know what he does.  But I've personally witnessed him calling Petraus a fucking cocksucker on his cell phone when he called.  He has been offered positions in the Bush and Obama White House but has turned them down because of his mouth.  (He's no dummy.)

Here's the story.

Around 2005 he was still enamored with being part of the 'mission' and going out with SF as a mission specialist. From what I gather, he was to test field communications using some sort of McGyvered shit with cell phones, computers and satellites.

I got a call from him on the phone asking if I was at my computer.  I said I was.  He said hold on a bit and hung up.  MS-Chat opened up and there he was chatting with me.  He told me a little about what he was doing and that whatever it was had been successful.  So now he had downtime to bullshit with me (which I thought was great!)

So we're chatting back and forth, and he made some comment about the fuckin' afghanis and how they were slipping out with the weapons and training we'd given them and joining the Taliban.  Usually after shooting, or knifing, american troops.

[Please bear in mind, this is 2005...I didn't 'wake up' until 2008.  So we both are still full of piss and vinegar about 9/11 and shit...]

I write:  "We should drop a nuke every ten miles starting in Syria and march them east to the Russian border."

Another chat window pops up from 'NSAGUY'.  The little fucker starts scolding me that I shouldn't write such things on open netweorks that anyone can read.

Told him to go fuck himself.  I'm in America and I can write any damned thing I please and any damned time I want.

No response, and I've never head anything else from NSAGuy.

But my son reminds me, everytime he comes home, that 'I'm a problem to his extremely high security clearance'.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:13 | 4474289 phaedrus1952
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Which is why, OldPhart, Pat Tillman was assassinated.  His communications displayed an increasing awareness and disillusionment with the whole Afgan operation.

One thing that I still do not 'get' is how our military - particularly the officers - can acquiesce to all this.  Doesn't the blatant slaughter of two dozen SEALS prompt any outrage, any public response whatsoever?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:29 | 4474526 Johnny Cocknballs
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Doesn't the blatant slaughter of two dozen SEALS prompt any outrage, any public response whatsoever?

The public who believe the 9/11 official conspiracy theory, or believes Obama's story about the killing and disposal of the world's number one source of counter-terror intel?

You would wonder if it would prompt outrage amongst the SEALs or other SF themselves.

Apparently not, but who knows. 

No one wants to be the first guy over the wall.

Retreat then into fantasy... imagine writing a novel in which a rogue SEAL or Green Beret unit abducts Dick Cheney and Larry Silverstein to get them to discuss 9/11...  what would they say, and would it change anything if their 'confessions' went out over the internets?


I honestly, assuming, in this fictional world, it was an inside/Israeli false flag and Cheney was lead on the US side, and Silverstein intimately aware of the insurance and doc destruction angle...  and they give up details, far too detailed to be mere duress confessions....   I think we are so far gone, so brainwashed, dumbed down and lazy, a non-critical mass minority would be irate, but the news media would bury it after a few days, and life would go on for the most part unchanged...



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 08:31 | 4474624 Kobe Beef
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It's far past time for our warriors to begin the fight for us. Local Ex-ops, train some cells and let's get going.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:28 | 4475617 putaipan
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oh man, i can't tell you how many times i've fantasized producing that kind of 'torture porn' ... fairly easy to produce in high quality format- all it would take is a dingy room and two good actors. mmm...waterboarding dick cheney 'till the truth starts spilling out. think of the sequels- bush sr! bill c.! blankenfien! diamond!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 23:02 | 4478665 kchrisc
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All governments are nothing more than a criminal syndicate of people. Therefore assume all communications from them to be lies, bullshit and false until PROVEN otherwise.

Following that argument, 9/11 was a murderous conspiracy UNTIL someone proves it wasn't, and no one has.


Sidenote: I wonder when Bush Jr. figured out how he was played? Not that he cared or anything.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:42 | 4475353 Drifter
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"One thing that I still do not 'get' is how our military - particularly the officers - can acquiesce to all this."

More evidence indicating military is compromised and won't stand up for Americans if the time comes.

Something about getting a govt paycheck.  Seems to destroy any sense of constitution/rights/liberty/freedom, making them totally loyal to the govt.

How many refused to go to Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia? 

Answer: None.  Everyone drank the "fighting for freedom" or "just following orders" koolaid.

90% of Americans would do the same thing.  Give 'em a govt job and they go totally loyal to the govt. 

Maybe 95%.   Maybe 99%.

How many "oathkeepers" violate the constitution every day so they can keep their govt job? 

Answer:   All of them.   Every single one.

America is a nation of sell-outs.  Why it's not worth saving. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:12 | 4478097 acetinker
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That's so fkn sad. Then again, it was foretold ya' know-


For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

-Matthew 10:35

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:44 | 4474482 The.Harmless.Who
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The Zionists (and Talmudic cults that preceeded them), as well as their groupies have up to no good for many many many years, decades, and centuries even. 


It's a hussle run by an exclusive club, and you're not invited.  


Off with their heads!!!!



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:23 | 4476429 swiss chick
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Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:53 | 4473674 TruthInSunshine
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Governments, and especially the USSA, have weaponized the internet, fully & completely, and in every way imaginable.

It is now the ultimate propagandist's tool & a statist's wet dream.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:56 | 4473685 Theta_Burn
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How much does it pay?

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:06 | 4473733 TheFourthStooge-ing
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How much does it pay?

Cult_of_Treason, I think this question is for you.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:11 | 4473749 dogbreath
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Where is Flakmeister and Fonestar.   This thread adresses them specifically

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:26 | 4473810 NemoDeNovo
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Are the cavorting with Kito, MDB and RpbotTrader?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:17 | 4474033 nope-1004
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Add Max Fischer, satoshi101, and CognacAndMencken to that list of US govvy paid trolls.


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:37 | 4474093 NemoDeNovo
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Damn you are right how could I forget those, too much liquor I guess.........

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:52 | 4474135 john39
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For all you know, it's all the same guy. The megaphony type software creates and maintains multiple personalities.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:55 | 4474146 Tim_
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satoshi101 wrote that he used to work for the NSA.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 08:32 | 4474627 Kobe Beef
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MDB is waaaay too talented to be working for the gov.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:52 | 4478253 acetinker
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MDB is to ZH as Frank Zappa was to late 20th century pop culture... had to resort to a macabre sort of humor to put his message across.  Shame, that is.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:46 | 4473919 Ignatius
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My money's on moneybots and sosoome to name two.

They both spend far too much energy driving home dissembling and irrelevant points  about 9/11.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:12 | 4474010 fonestar
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There's shills here alright.  Like Xeno or your kiddie-diddling, trenchcoat wearing bond investor friend.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 02:43 | 4474326 TruthInSunshine
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Whisper rumor that Mt. Gox was bought for pennies on the bitcoin and will be open for business tomorrow as Madoff, Corzine, & Satoshi, PLLC.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 07:34 | 4474534 GetZeeGold
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There's shills here alright.





Tue, 02/25/2014 - 06:09 | 4474456 silvermail
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How much does it pay?

Cult_of_Treason, I think this question is for you."

It is very strange that our Cult_of_Treason not present at this discussion! LOL

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:15 | 4473770 sunaJ
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Being a DARPA project from the beginning, should we expect anything different? 


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:20 | 4474042 Anusocracy
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This is a logical extension of the school system.

They're not going to let their diligently programmed animals escape their control through the wild wild west that is the internet.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 22:54 | 4473679 BKbroiler
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umm... these charts make no sense.

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:26 | 4473815 tmosley
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Yeah, they look like a bunch of buzzwords thrown together.  I would imagine that the speaker had a lot more to say than what was on the slides.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:00 | 4473949 Christophe2
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A WAY better disclosure on all this came out over a year ago:

=> somehow the cryptome file got corrupted so the juiciest parts are cut off (eg: how to easily recognize the disinformation sellouts that likely exist in your own social/professional circle), so here is an alternate link with the Full Monty:


Snowden is what is called a "limited hangout operation", where some dude(s) will tell you stuff you already knew, stuff which is way better explained elsewhere, and where none of it ultimately appears quite as bad as what is actually going on (ex: imagine someone revealing that Obama beats his dogs, when the real problem is all the people he is having murdered, etc.)

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:28 | 4474060 disabledvet
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Leaving aside the question of "who put the Director of Porky's" (versions One and Two) "in charge of the Government"? there remains the question of "if this works so good why am i still paying taxes" and "how come the American people don't have all that free shit?"

At a certain level I have to say as a taxpayer i am impressed however.
I mean this is truly "bottom of the barrel diabolic pure phucking evil shit."
I think we should thank Edward Snowden for reminding the world "it really should be terrified" and "that's why i'm in Moscow still and might remain so for a long, long, long, long time."

I don't know why the PTB continue to go after the guy. He's basically just publicized the fact that this thing really is unbeatable. "the ghost in your televsion" with Snowden being the little girl saying "they're here" kinda thing.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 03:36 | 4474365 ebear
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They mostly come out at night.  Mostly.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:10 | 4474706 Husk-Erzulie
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Look Out Nippley!!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:02 | 4475477 MarsInScorpio
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The French Revolution prototype for eliminating the elite is the only solution that works.


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 01:56 | 4479151 gonetogalt
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Right, cue Laws of Physics...

I still advocate hanging by two's, double ended rope & watch them climb one another...

Mon, 02/24/2014 - 23:10 | 4473698 sunaJ
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The US intelligence network spends billions of dollars every year trying to figure out how to control and manipulate people - free from ideas of god or is just science and study of human nature to bring to pass their power-driven and misguided results.  They hate the light, and scurry like little rats when their tactics are unveiled, but don't expect them to let up.  They will continue, and press ever-harder, to protect their voyeuristic nature.  They suffer from paranoia on some level, for what they are afraid of most is not individual Americans having a point of view (rant away, as they will use it against you later!), but in the networking of such individuals.  I have no doubt that such tactics have long been used by g-forces on ZH, but ZH is small potatoes because they are not trying to organize anything.  As soon as ZH readers decide to create a public network, well, then the g-forces will crack their knuckles and get to work...and that would be the telltale sign of their fear.  Suffer in silence, or scream at the top of your lungs of the injustice of this regime, but don't think about uniting with other miserable souls, or you will be neutralized.  This is their tactic, because frankly they have lost any sort of perceived control of what individual people express or think.


To borrow from a post from Fonzanoon a couple hours ago, if you create a public (real-life) network, that is when your profile, which government intelligence has been building on you, will slide into another category of counter-ops.  But it receives this response from statists because it is exactly what threatens them.



Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:15 | 4474021 cynicalskeptic
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What you don't realize is that we ARE sheep - and our leaders have already sold us off as food to our alien overlords.......  Soylent Green doesn't look so bad in comparison.

<sarc> (? - who the hell knows these days, NOTHING is out of the question)

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:27 | 4474059 Bananamerican
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"As soon as ZH readers decide to create a public network, well, then the g-forces will crack their knuckles and get to work..."
A ZH public that anything like synchronized cat swimming?
When I used to hang out at Daily Kos 7 years ago I noticed LOTS more .gov manip than I notice here because them critters were more "group" oriented to begin with.
The "InFOOs" here usually have armalite icons and talk about "taking people out" they think they're dealing with Stormfront ....probably because of all the Yid bashing

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:56 | 4475443 Raging Debate
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BananAmerican - Ooo a man with a sharp mind. About ZH building a network (from my experience because I built a successful beta and relaunching soon):

1) Investors won't fund a political network concept. They do fund neutral tools. This makes sense not just because of risk but because it limits the potential market share to a niche segment.

2) I have thought of giving the tech to ZH because the general intent is good but ZH will not kick users that threaten violence. Good laws do exist in any society about doing so. I'made the mistake of giving it to Libertarians first. Well intentioned lot about right and wrong but incorrect tactics if you want the world to keep becoming a better place. Ill give it scienstists at universities on the next go around at college campuses. Ton of unmet demand and neutral setting, based on logical goals, not driven by emotional passions.

3) I do not see simple tools to allow ZH members to communicate outside the forum. This tells me the management team may be purposely limiting the scope of the service. Again, this limits market potential to a niche so if I looked at it through an investment lens (capital always required from somewhere to grow) I wouldn't invest or limit my investment if I did.

The service has real value and if management wants to expand it consider models with broader distribution potential, like Facebook. "Facebook for politics" isnt going to sell for the primary reasons already described.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 00:33 | 4474078 Spanky
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...what they are afraid of most is not individual Americans having a point of view (rant away, as they will use it against you later!), but in the networking of such individuals. -- sunaJ

Well said, accurate too.

Trust is a precious commodity and in short supply.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 01:10 | 4474194 Ranger4564
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It's almost as if you're just making that stuff up, no basis in reality whatsoever. What individual Americans with points of view? Where? Majority of what I hear and read is the same old force fed one end or the other propaganda that has been swallowed, and being regurgitated. Very few have actual individual thoughts. Personal. Developed by their own intellect and insight. It's very important, the distinction between truly individuated and cultivated, as one allows the person to redefine their world view as new information is observed, the other is dumbfounded by new information and must wait for someone to explain what they should say they believe and perceive.

Most people are cultivated personalities. Caricatures. And most have been trained not to do a damn thing, even as the train is barreling towards them. And they're not doing a damn thing.

Which is why we are in the state we're in. Not having done a damn thing. You can cheer and jeer and rah and hurrah, but it's all complete and utter bullshit. It's meaningless self-adulation.

In short, most people actually think and express exactly what TPTB want people to express and think. Nothing truly innovative or progressive, mostly retrenching / retreating / deteriorating / rotting. Stuck in the mud. Pissing at each other about things you're not even sure why you actually hate about the other. Because, you're a fucking vegetable.

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