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Russia Awakes: Accuses Ukraine's New Government Of "Armed Mutiny", Says It Poses "Real Threat To Our Interests, Citizens"
The Olympics are now over, which means that Russia can finally start taking steps toward making good on its warning from last week, spoken by a senior government official to the FT, that "If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war," adding that "they will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia." And while there have been photos (so far unconfirmed) of Russian military vehicles heading into the Ukraine, for the time being Russia has kept a surprisingly low profile. Until now.
- MEDVEDEV SAYS RUSSIANS IN UKRAINE FACE THREAT IN UKRAINE: RIA
- MEDVEDEV SAYS RUSSIAN INTERESTS UNDER THREAT IN UKRAINE: RIA
- MEDVEDEV QUESTIONS LEGITIMACY OF UKRAINE'S INSTITUTIONS: IFX
- MEDVEDEV HAS NO INFORMATION IF AZAROV IS IN RUSSIA: RIA
Reuters adds:
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on Monday said Russia had grave doubts about the legitimacy of those in power in Ukraine following President Viktor Yanukovich's ouster, saying their recognition by some states was an "aberration".
"We do not understand what is going on there. There is a real threat to our interests and to the lives of our citizens," Medvedev was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying.
"There are big doubts about the legitimacy of a whole series of organs of power that are now functioning there."
Finally, from the AP:
Dmitry Medvedev said Monday, according to Russian news agencies, that the new authorities have come to power as a result of "armed mutiny," so their legitimacy is causing "big doubts."
He said Russia would be ready to resume relations with Ukraine once it sees a "normal, modern government based on laws and constitution of Ukraine."
"If you consider Kalashnikov-toting people in black masks who are roaming Kiev to be the government, then it will be hard for us to work with that government," he said.
Medvedev added that Russia's decision to recall its ambassador in Kiev for consultations meant that "there is a threat for our interests, and for life and health of our people in the embassy."
All this is happening as (insolvent) Europe is scrambling to obtain the tens of billions it needs to make good on a topping overbid for the Ukraine, something which Russia appears to be largely laughing about, and certainly something which Gazprom, which incidentally holds the fate of all of Europe, and not just Ukraine, in its hands. Literally.
As we have said since the Ukraine coup became official: keep an eye on the Russian response. Right now it is all that matters.
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when in doubt... NUKE'M!!
Talk softly, but carry a big stick.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword!
I told you kids what would happen if you didn't stay off of my lawn...
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http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/68/6858/42RY100Z/po...
Righty, tighty
Lefty, loosey
Which way, Comrade Europe?
Russia did an assessment & realized it's gonna need that Pirate Galleon to run tactical formation maneuvers with its stealth sub in the Meditterranean...
Perhaps heralding the start of a secular "bear" market soon.
All lining up perfectly for th eides of March.
ori
Why is anyone giving credence to what Russia says or thinks.
The events of Euromaidan have shown that Russia has no say!
First Domino?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhJK87qCUAEodfZ.jpg
Didn't see this coming, whew!
/s
A mass protest will start in 30 minutes in Moscow, as a reaction to those arrested at pro-Ukraine rally in Moscow earlier today.
Next thing you know Putin is next to be hunted by Russian people, as Ukrainians now hunting for Yanukovich.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhI7zg4CAAETGcf.jpg
Latest rumor: Yanukovich is on a Russian military ship in Sevastopol
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&i...
So Russia is calling for a civil war?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_Ukraine
Ergo:
Poland and Canada were the first countries to recognize Ukraine's independence, both on 2 December 1991.[7] The same day President of Russia Boris Yeltsin did the same.[8]
The United States did so on 25 December 1991.[9] That month the independence of Ukraine was recognized by 68 states, and in 1992 it was recognized by another 64 states.[10]
Ukraine is a independent nation, I don`t think anyone can call for a `invasion` of Ukraine.
The cover of Polish magazine Newsweek "Ukraine had its own Olympics where people have won"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhMEqrVCUAAwphZ.jpg
more zionist drivel.
Medvedev says:
Putin says...
Sock puppet to the Dictator.
Burning tires in St Petersburg now?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhQKeKkCMAAf-N0.jpg
They are as legitimate as any other Government.
Cult:
While reading over your posts for the past several days, it is clear to me that while you are dissing everyone whose opinion is that Russia may have legitimate interests that it needs to protect, those posters are just "paid bloggers" and "Russian propagandists."
Describing your attacks on them as "vicious" would be understating the attacks you make to do everything possible to diminish their thoughts. It's very unnatural for someone who is merely engaged in the type of interaction commonly seen on ZH.
My question to you - given your obsessive, destructive, dissing, pro-Euro posts - is how much are you being paid to troll for Brussels?
It's exceedingly obvious you are in this for way more than the intellectual stimulation.
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If you can't shoot the message, shoot the messenger... Classic of people who can't argue with people with opposite views.
The reality is, Putin got caught with his pants down, he didn't see that one coming, especially so quickly. He has lost his grip on Ukraine and will obviously do all he can to disturb the transition. I'm always amused of all the cheerleading of Putin on ZH, I guess RT's brainwashing is just as effective as the one from Western networks...
About the situation in Ukraine, ask yourself this question. Of all the former Socialist republics part of the USSR that have joined the E.U., how many of them would be interested in joining Russia's economic union? Answer: none. Why? well, guess! (hint: compare Ukraine's current situation with the situation of those countries that joined the E.U. after the fall of the iron curtain)
Not cheerleading for Putin. Perhaps the attitude displayed is better thought of as "enemy of my enemy".
As for your economic question, most here at ZH know that the western economies are all built on a mountain of debt and leverage on top of that debt (swaps).
Is Russia's economy a corrupt mess? YES. Is Putin diabolical and drunk with power? YES. The same can certainly be said of the US, Washington DC and Obama. So your argument breaks down to this: the slaves in the West live more comfortable lives than the serfs in the East.
Isn't that about it?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-23/us-israel-providing-military-supports-and-parts-iran-which-turn-arming-syria#comment-4469630
as disgusting as watching these fabricated astro-turfed revolutions (coups) happen is... there is a positive aspect. ever greater numbers of people can finally see what conspiracy analysts have long said. there is a shadow government(s) working behind the scenes to create new fascist world order. an order that would bring untold misery to vast majority, while a tiny handful of sell outs to humanity believe they would prosper. they will fail, but their downfall does require that we all play part.
Infowars: George Soros’ Open Society Institute, now known as Open Society Foundations (OSF), and a handful of U.S. organizations such as the National Endowment for Democracy destabilize and overthrow governments, tasks formerly accomplished by the CIA. The destabilization of the Ukrainian government is part of an ongoing geostrategic move by the globalists to undermine any challenge to their hegemonic designs. A similar plan on Russia’s frontier is now underway.
http://www.infowars.com/soros-funded-libyan-scenario-now-unfolding-in-uk...
I have it on good authority that the Nuland call is FAKE!!
lol
Yea Cult, cuz Russia is such a small player in the larger scheme of things
Sarc/
Moron!
Like I said yesterday: "When Putin starts sending pallets of Russian passports to the eastern Ukraine, then you know the T80´s won´t be far behind. The "have to protect our fellow Russian citizens" ploy worked during the Russo-Georgian conflict." Now he´s worried about his naval base and pipelines...which is understandable because it´s all about money and power. I predict that the EU will fold and leave the Ukrainians high and dry because they are entirely dependant on Russian natural gas. Putin has played the gas card before, and he will play it again. If that doesn´t work, in come the tanks.
el tuco cunt without reason give it a rest.
your jewish ways are so tiresome.
Didn't Russia's current government replace the old Soviet Union via armed rebellion?
Didn't the US government replace British rule through armed rebellion?
Didn't the people of France transform their country from monarchy to republic via armed rebellion?
It seems to me, Mr Putin and friends, armed rebellion is a perfectly legitimate way to replace a government that oppresses it's people.
freedom is hardly oppression.
succesion of Texas would be met with resistance>forward to a position(s) in front of the front lines...
dust off that sniper rifle and find a good trusty spotter.
Please, one state will not seced. FYI, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Montana, and Texas have all made PMs legal tender and are moving towards a commodity-backed economy.
Our union is approaching the same end game as the former Soviet Union, hedge accordingly.
my bet is on a block like say OK, TX and Missori with like minded majorities that can't take it anymore...
gun control might just be the galvanizing issue.
The US becomes balkanized, w/ the Midwest, Texas and P. Northwest retaining their sanity and sense of reality, w. California, Florida and the East Coast Megalopolis going their own way (because they can't relate to any one, except other Californians, NYers, etc.)
Florida has over 1.15 million CCWs. NY state still has about 700,000 hunting licenses in upstate NY.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/26368.html
These folks generally do not like the gun grabbers.
http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm
Thanks.
I wonder why the Lame Streem media tries to ignore that;)?
1860 - 1861 ... several Southern states (CSA) attempted to leave the union.
Mr. Lincoln murdered thousands to establish a "United STATE of America."
1865 - BIG GOVERNMENT WINS.
True, but it's a different world.
The US pulled out of Vietnam due to just 4 deaths at Kent State after 58,000 in Nam.
PS The kleptocrats are the world's worst cowards. Count on it.
"Didn't Russia's current government replace the old Soviet Union via armed rebellion?
Didn't the US government replace British rule through armed rebellion?
Didn't the people of France transform their country from monarchy to republic via armed rebellion?"
Didn't Israel's current government... [oh wait]!
Freedom isn't free - in the Ukraine it cost the CIA, hence US taxpayer alot ...
freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose
Regime change isn't change at all; it's perpetuation of the status (statist) quo.
But if Ukraine splits apart, that's another thing. And since the collapsing American Empire needs a war to get people's minds off its collapsing economy, this could do it.
The handwriting's on the wall, however, as there's no stopping the coming "devolution revolution":
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-transition-free-society
It's a beautiful world!
Dick:
Respectfully, to emphasize the accuracy of your post, allow me to suggest that is not "coming," but rather it is already here: Scotland, Spain, and numerous others. The US will catch up. You can only take so much insanity from the Black Racists, the Gay Heterophobes, the Left Wing Looney Tunes, and the Unionized schools disasters; see the six-state proposal for CA.
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Agreed, Scorpio, adding that when the US does in fact "catch up," the devolution revolution will have reached the tipping point. The USG hates secessionist movements anywhere on the planet, after all, and no more wanted the Soviet Union to break apart than it wants Ukraine or any other state to break up, as each one only provides that much more incentive for one of the constituent United States to begin the process here.
Remember what you said when the eastern half of Ukraine breaks away and forms its own representave government.
@ GoldenDragon
"Didn't Russia's current government replace the old Soviet Union via armed rebellion?
Didn't the US government replace British rule through armed rebellion?
Didn't the people of France transform their country from monarchy to republic via armed rebellion?
It seems to me, Mr Putin and friends, armed rebellion is a perfectly legitimate way to replace a government that oppresses it's people."
@ BearClaw
"Remember what you said when the eastern half of Ukraine breaks away and forms its own representave government."
Yeah, i just wanna say the same, on my lips already when i notice you'd made the lines. Yes, it will be well remember when the East, South and Crimea Peninsula declare their independence from the Kiev.
"Didn't Russia's current government replace the old Soviet Union via armed rebellion?"
Russia´s current government replaced the government which ousted the Soviet communists. Putin has systematically turned Russia into a one-man show. His show. He reorginized the FSB back in 2000 so that it answers directly to him. He has all but eliminated any political opposition. He has total control of the media. He has resources in abundance and is not afraid to use them to achieve political and economic gain....and most of Europe dependant on his gas like a junky. Too bad for all the crime and corruption, and the massive poverty many Russians have to deal with as a result of fiscal mismanagement. He is still the king though, and will be for a long time unless the Russian people have their own Spring party one day. Pussy Riot won´t cut it.
Russia will not give up Sevastopol...period. If Russia has to hold on to all of Ukraine to do so, then she will.
West seems currently unable to counter the Chinese threat in the Pacific, so they start up against Russia who, in this case, seems to be in the position of proxy. Understand that the Russian threat is land based and in the Caucasus, and the Chinese threat is naval and in the Pacific. This is the two-front military assault. China also holds the economic card: reserves in USD, which I still believe it will use against Japan and the US simultaneously, by using its USD reserves to buy Yen, killing USD and Japan's export market in one move. Japan's economy collapses, US economy shrinks or collapses.
Russia can keep Sevastopol all they want, because the duck pond it's in is meaningless... blue water logistics are all that matter
as for the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy which can't even make up in its mind what the hell it actually is (rifle brigades on parade on a Russian built carrier flying a Chinese flag? wtf?)... they are no... threat... at... all to US Navy control of the Pacific... none, zero, nada
as for dumping treasuries or other economic shennanigans... they can try, but they'll end up slitting their own throats when their export trade grinds to a halt... you'll see a bunch of long pigs floating in their rivers and the nets at Foxconn emptied daily when that happens
in short, that's a real nice set of assertions you have there... too bad none of them are rooted in geopolitical reality
"Ahhhh....the glorious smell of crazy round-eye hubris."
-Chinese submarine commander, after surfacing undetected in the middle of American carrier task force
If you think the Chinese are counting on that refurbished russian carrier for anything other than distracting window-dressing, you're not paying attention. Their front line efforts are likely in cyberspace and missile technology. Through the former, they've already achieved a foothold in our most sensitive DoD IT infrastructure.
As for their export trade, they've long been preparing to sell their plastic trinkets to others, while they rapidly buy up our domestic infrastructure and commercial/prime real estate.
In short, they already have us by the balls....they're just not squeezing hard.
Yet.
What was with that Chinese ICBM sub that lobbed an ICBM off the coast of CallieFornia to the shock of the corrupt Pentagon. Was it a few miles off Vandenberg?
No no no. That was a jetliner contrail. Don't believe your lying eyes, we have a team of experts who have figured out what you saw.
Can you imagine our ICBMs blowing up in their silos? Chinese govt hackers will make it happen.
It is funny then how the US economy actually grew and became even stronger than ever as a result of WWII. It seems that your ASSertions may be wrong!
ah, this time it is different, we are the british...
It takes fire to make that economy. In the 40's all we had to do was stoke up the fire. What are we going to stoke that fire with today? The Bakken, Eagle Ford and other tight oil plays are unpumpable below 100/barrel. We can print more money, but all that does is force the nominal price of extraction higher.
Cheap oil is GONE. With it has gone the economic expansions we have all witnessed in the past.
The next war will be fought in desperation over scraps. When it is over, there will be no rebuilding. Thge next war will make a cliff out of what otherwise would be a rapid decline in the economy. The only question is, who is the most desperate? What follws is a list of the most desperate players, the ones who realize they have nothing to lose, because they are going to lose it all anyway:
1. China. China is the proverbial paper tiger. They are trillions in debt. The numbers don't look so bad, compared to Europe and the US, but the Chinese economy is much more fragile. The Chinese uttrly depend on imported energy. The whole thing could go up in smoke at any moment. The Chinese haven't won a war against a foriegn enemy since... well never. The best they can do is punch themselves in the face a' la 1949. If the People's Republic starts a war, it is indeed its last act as a coherent political entity.
2. Europe. Never underestimate the ability of a syphilitic white nobility to start a war, especialy when they are faced with having to cut back on power or lifestyle.
3. Israel. The very definition of perpetually desperate.
4. The US. Most of today's wars are caused by this nation as it is, one way or another, in conjunction with either Europe, Israel, or all together. But the US is the least desperate of this list, at least right now.
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you don't need to control the blue water if you're Russia. Why do you think they do?
All the aircraft carriers and destroyers in the world won't mean much if they're resting on the seabed, ya dumb fucker.
Why events in Ukraine are leading so many of you internet tough guys to wargame and attack on the Russian's shows the level of your brainwashing.
Young, dumb and full of cum is no way to assess geopolitics, let alone strategy, son.
Russia can keep Sevastopol all they want, because the duck pond it's in is meaningless... blue water logistics are all that matter
The duck pond leads to the Aegean and from there to the Med. Perhaps you are unaware? Unaware of the tanker traffic on the Black Sea? Unaware of the international destinations for those tankers? Unaware of pending LNG development there?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-turkey-liquefied-natutal-gas-ln...
In the past five years, there has been significant growth in Europe’s LNG [ Liquefied Natural Gas] import capacity; however, high LNG prices driven by Japanese demand, and the higher oil-linked price that LNG receives in Asia has diverted much of this supply from the European market.
An agreement between Ukraine and Turkey for the transit of LNG through the Bosporus, as the gateway to the Black Sea, would be a major coup for European energy security. It would put downward pressure on current LNG prices due to the high demand and premium paid in Asia and would eventually provide Europe with cheap shale gas through a viable alternative marketplace.
Would you like to discuss the impact of restarting Japan's nukes? ZH did that already.
See the game.
Turkey matters.
SWRichmond: . . . "Perhaps you are unaware? ". . . .
That about sums it up, doesn't it. People need to educate themselves. (Do people even read books nowadays - paper or electronic versions) ? globalrearch.ca is a good source - as is the work of F. William Engdahl on global geo-politics and the pivotal importance of that area of the Eurasian land mass.
Ukrainian people (not paid a handful of extremists and nationalists, but it is the people of Ukraine) said: "Fascism will not pass!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSN98WkcfwQ#t=14
Aircraft carrier + planes > $300 billion
5* yakutz missiles ~= $10 million
An aircraft carrier is to ww3 what a cavalry devision was to a machine gun trench. The moment a missile could fly half way around the world, the aircraft carrier became obsolete.
Read "The Art of War" , the Chinese and Russians sure have.
Well said Sir!
Russia won't give up Sevastopol, and she won't give up her Gazprom monopoly.
As for China, all their war talk is either bluster or a pis aller to save their false debt-bubble economy.
It's all about the energy. China has none of her own, Europe has none of her own. Russia has the energy, and in that sense, Russia holds the trump card. The Ukraine is a gambit for Europe to control, if not the source, then at least the tap, for Europe's energy. It's all desperate, and it's all pointless. Even if Russia loses the Ukraine to the West (which it won't), Russia will just move the tap to Russian territory and charge even more for the gas as a penalty.
There is NO economic growth without cheap energy. There is NO CHEAP ENERGY.
If China starts a war with Japan, and oil shoots up above 100/barrel, China's economy will utterly implode. So will Europe's. The United States will stagger as if it walked into a left jab from Muhammed Ali. Russia will shake it off and then look around.
Putin is a bit worried right now, but I think he will see that he controls the middle of the board, and that the Ukraine right now is an opportunity disguised as a crisis. Russia can influence Ukraine at her leisure. For Europe, access to cheap energy is as desperate as a a junkie stealing TV's for the next fix. We will hear measured and calm , but firm responses from Russia.
This is about PEAK OIL BITCHEZ. All geopolitics now are energy politics. Energy drives the economy. Don't let them baffle you with bullshit. You will see Yulia Timoshenko back in power, precisely because she understands the Gas Business. She needs to do some pilates for her back.
I truly have no idea what to think about Ukraine, Russia, China, Syria, Japan, Venezuela, the EU, USA, the House of Saud, the IMF, CIA, Israel, and Iran, and how they're all intertwined into the biggest game of Risk that we've ever seen.
I've enjoyed reading the analyses and predictions of the ZH community. However, I believe that what we are about to see will be beyond comprehension. Something very wicked this way comes.
I truly have no idea what to think about Ukraine, Russia, China, Syria, Japan, Venezuela, the EU, USA, the House of Saud, the IMF, CIA, Israel, and Iran, and how they're all intertwined into the biggest game of Risk that we've ever seen.
Actually, you understand it quite well...it is the biggest game of Risk we've ever seen. Well put.
Meat Hammer: "I've enjoyed reading the analyses and predictions of the ZH community. However, I believe that what we are about to see will be beyond comprehension." - - - -
Ain't that the truth. Since we're on the outside, (and its likely most of us here don't get intel agency briefs from the US, Russia, etc) our information is very limited. Its like trying to predict a supreme court decision without all the 'inside dirt' (there's a great deal of evidence that justices communications are bugged and it was suggested that Roberts changed his opinion on obummer care due to possible blackmail over irregularities regarding some adoption proceedings. Of course, there is no confirmation of this).
History written many years after the events has drastically changed views of the past.
So . . . bottomline, - - - while its good to debate these strategic subjects, we probably would be wise not to take our opinions too seriously. We may (probably) be arguing for one complete fiction versus another complete fiction.
(But, of course, you can't just make shit up out of the blue. Even the game of Risk has rules.)
Holy shit, an outbreak of intelligent commentary!
Guards! Seize them!
Meat Hammer,
What we are seeing is a constant raising of the stakes, as jovial backslapping turns into shoulder-punching, then angry glances, then sharp words, then shoving, then a punch is thrown, then the weapons come out and someone gets hurt. Bets keep getting raised. In international relations, this takes years, or decades. Bad outcomes and hurt feelings, old wounds never heal. Eventually, enough players go "all in" to push us into a real war between real powers.
And always remember, you win a (strategic) war by making it impossible for your enemy to field an army to oppose you.
Russia has way too much at stake in Ukraine to let it go.
True...in a normal world. This feels more like the final act in the script of the NWO epic saga and all that's left to do is play it out and then divy up the spoils after the play (war) ends.
Aaaaaaaaand.....ACTION!
on the up side, if gas is shut off and the EU economy implodes and by proxy the US economy... we get to blame the Russkies. Something the average voter can understand
Meet the Federal Reserve/IMF, providing Simple answeres to a Simple people since 1913
In a truly free world...united citizens in a geographical landscape would be allowed to redraw a border to govern themselves.
Think about this....what is the ultimate constraint for this, other than greed, pride, etc.
Fiat is the constraint. If gold (or any commodity) were the currency, freeing people to govern themselves wouldn't be so terrible.
In a world of Bank/Government fascist fiat domination...people can't be allowed to self govern because it devalues fiat, and therfore prevents the despots from printing themselves into uber-wealth.
As for the Ukraine...I get confused. But I'm slightly embarassed that my Ukranian friends are telling me the CIA is heavily involved.
Gold is better than fiat!
Why did you edit your post? Why not stand behind your beliefs? Allow people to respond to what you wrote and you may learn something.
My original post did not make sense upon re-read.
The gist was gold is better than fiat, which is what it says.
I've been here over 4 years and think I've learned much! However, the site has changed quite a bit since it was sold.
His name was Francis Sawyer.
Maybe he can find his very own version of Rudolf Hess to whom he dictate his worldview while in exile...
"Gold is better than fiat" is not what your original post said. You wouldn't have 2-1 against you if that is what you posted. Your post read almost the opposite, but perhaps it was just oddly worded (your point about it not making sense). Yes... things have changed around here, for the worst.
My orginal post tried to tie military intervention to fiat, and that a gold standard prevents the worldwide military system wer have in place.
Why? Because under a gold standard, those costs have to be paid back (not with worthless fiat).
Obviously you either disagree with that, or you didn't understand it because my original post was poorly worded, since you are a goldbug and thought I was dissing gold.
So, now I've said it again: GOLD IS BETTER THAN FIAT!!!!!
Yep . . . the 'gentlemens rule' around here is that you can edit as much as needed (especially if you have poor typing skills, like me) up to before the time that someone responds to what you wrote. IMO 'response' iincludes a down arrow. Sometimes you can be editing and someone is also responding at the same time before you were able to 'save' the changes, that happens.
Great post. My only argument against what you have written; gold also isn't the panacea for freedom, as long as it's the government that dictates the currency. Freedom would be getting government out of the business of money completely. We would still end up with asset based currencies, there would just be more options.
"...gold also isn't the panacea for freedom, as long as it's the government that dictates the currency."
When you are in debt then you are enslaved, As Fiat Currency is a Debtor's Note, Debt Based, then it is a Note of Enslavement.
(The irony, of course, is that those whom hold the most Fiat Currency, are actually those whom are the most enslaved. They are chained to the Corruption of the system as their "wealth" is directly dependent upon the continuance of the system. When the system fails they stand to lose the most.)
On the other hand Gold is Debt Free and is accepted Globally as a Currency. You are free to relocate to almost any place on the Globe and Gold is Universal in its value.
Perhaps Gold is not the Panacea for Freedom as the price for Freedom is generally paid in Blood, Sweat and Tears.
But...GOLD IS A GOOD START.
Fiat isn't a constraint to redrawing borders, autocratic despots running governments are the constraints. Moreover, if money was actually worth something-- it would be that much more difficult to persuade a government to part with a populace that might be a net producer of said money.
It's about fucking time. Let's get the show started!
The only real question is buttered or plain popcorn?
Who run bordertown? Say loud.
I am not much of an expert, but I think under international law, Russia is entitled to protect its citizen which in some areas are majoritary. Is this the case?
We'd like to welcome the KGB this morning......so when do the tanks roll in?
Only thing is the Russians you are referring to aren't Russian citizens. They are Ukrainian citizens with Russian ethnic heritage. Russia could argue to take action in the case of ethnic cleansing but there is no indication of that occurring.
There's a precedent for this: Sudetenland.
Russia can protect its citizens and its military bases without question (a tank battalion per citizen would be a bit much, but if the ineptocracy in Kiev can't guarantee their safety.... But most of the "citizens" actually in play aren't Russian (yet), they're Ukrainian. The bigger issue from the standpoint of international law is whether the Parliament even has the authority to remove the President, since that would require certain very formal pieces of paperwork to be signed by said "deposed" President, which didn't necessarily happen in the rush to throw shit at the fan after little Herman Munster's pronouncement. The MOU with the protest leaders didn't legally restore any authorities that might have been revoked from it previously. Further complicating things is that both the US and Russia have a signed a treaty allowing the use of troops in order to maintain territorial integrity, which would explain why certain interests did not appear to want a vote for succession to go through over the weekend. So when all else fails- POSSESSION is 9/10ths of the Law, and the law becomes meaningless.
Yeah agree on the parliament part but that little problem of formal paperwork I suspect will be dealt with in the usual fashion as well as the illegitimate government problem for the Russians. Depends on who gets their hands on Waldo first... Then the real fun starts once that issue is dealt with.
Ivan found Waldo. Next up- 2 benches full of judges based on Article 111 of either Constitution.
Dewey:
If you really want to know when the US Constitution became meaningless, check out the creation of West Virginia as a state.
All of that talk about "legal" in Ukraine is equally irrelevant.
"Power comes from the barrel of a gun . . ."
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Can't give the Plebs any ideas. Got maintain the illusion of law actually matters until it doesn't so the plebs don't get any ideas that laws really provide no protection...
Those who seized power in Kiev - made armed coup. Therefore, they are all is CRIMINALS. Those who carry out the orders of criminals - are collaborators and accomplices of criminals. Both the first and the second, should be arrested and prosecuted!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUt5lC7NVEk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMhyG_XmoQM#t=16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSN98WkcfwQ#t=14
Free Sudetenland...and Danzig too!
I am not much of an expert, but I think under international law, Russia is entitled to protect its citizen which in some areas are majoritary. Is this the case?
Well Hitler did use that as an excuse to invade Czekhoslovokia...to protect Germans in the Sudetenland...
As Nevelle Chamberlain said, "Peace in our time."
But who is an expert in such matters?
Fuck the Treaty of St. Germain. Few Human Leaders will abide to agreements and contracts written on paper.
(Refer to the ZH article, "The Constitution Has Failed", published yesterday.)
Shut the gas off to Brussels EU headquarters
Actually reroute it into the headquarters offices. Gas them motherfuckers!
Can I add the spark? Pleeeease?
oh please... we all know the gas coming out of Brussels is self-sustaining... they'll ship in a few more jaw-flapping EU bureaucrats and end up powering all of western europe at this rate
There is no lacking for gas at HQ.
Another Putin lover bites the dust. Cunt, Pierce Morgan, has his show canceled. <l:>0
25,000 man US Army appears in Kiev as rumors spread that Moscow is on verge of revolt.
Bullshit. I'd sooner believe "25,000 man US Army appears in D.C. as rumors spread that Maryland is on verge of revolt."
The US Army is a shadow of what it once was. Today it the biggest wimp farm on the planet full of fags and dykes, under the order of the kike. The only thing the US Army can do now is wage war on civilians since they would all shit their pants if they had to fight a real army.
I guess that is all that is important as America and it's owners in Israel continue to wage war on freedom and basic human decency.
I wish you and Ted Nugent would speak your mind.
Whoa there jax. Talk like that is gonna bring them Foxman types out.
Sarc/;^)
Guess they'll have to find another mouthpiece ousted foreigner to preach to US citizens about why we need our rights taken away. Fuck this POS.
Tide:
Morgan got dumped because he is headed for trial in Crown Court. He can't host his program from the Defendant's Cage in London.
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Pier*s* Morgan is a " Putin lover " how?
Would strongly prefer that they nuke Brussels.
we won't be that lucky... that snake pit of socialist scum is the best fifth column they've ever had
Does anyone remember Hungry 1956?
HungAry.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls
starting at 02:10, hahaha
Or Prague in 1968...
Problem is that this is a whole different ball game now...
Bullshit. Same as it ever was.
The USA does that to those Puppet Governments within its Sphere of Influence. Likewise do the Soviets...er...Russians.
Nothing has changed.
You clearly have not been watching closely: Cell phones, social media have changed the nature of popular uprisings...
It will be "Kabul on Dnieper"....
Looks like the tanks will be rolling through Donetsk, Kherson and Crimea by the end of the week. The big question, will they make it over to Odessa and take that from the Ukranians as well?? (Which will cut off all Black Sea access to the remaining Ukranians.
Personally? I think they are going to go for it all and leave western Ukraine to be carried by the Lithuanians and Poles.
The maps going to look like 1387 all over again. (Well, minus Belarus)
If Putin uses tanks, then he will lose by winning... It will become "Kabul on Dneiper"....
Draw a line from Kharkiv to Chisinau .... that's as far as the Russians would want. Locks up the Black Sea, protects ethnic Russians and achieves his goal of locking up the pipelines.
"Drawing" that line, with tanks I suppose, would mean Russia invading yet another independent state, Moldova with its capital city Chisinau.
Chisinau was just an endpoint of the line for illustrative purposes. Moldova / Urkaine border would be where they stop (obviously)
"Draw a line from Kharkiv to Chisinau .... that's as far as the Russians would want. Locks up the Black Sea, protects ethnic Russians and achieves his goal of locking up the pipelines."
I was looking for Chisinau in Ukraine map, thought it's part of Ukraine... my bad, it happens that Chisinau is the capital city of Moldova. lol
There are so many new countries in the world, i get a bit confused with the geography.
is there a single topic on which you are not woefully ignorant?
Putin has no interest in taking western ukraine. He likely isn't very interested in taking the East.
But the East/South is not interested in being subjected to the new tyranny which is being imposed on them by Kiev. They will invite Russian troops in to protect them from the central government, and to prevent NATO from trying to assist the western portion in recapturing the East.
Air power and infantry first.
I'm pretty sure the Russian equivalent of USAF combat control must already be on the ground. And with legitimacy - E. Ukraine and Crimea don't want to be under Kiev or the EU IMF NATO tyranny either.
Agreed Johnny, I believe many here are wrongfully underestimating Mr Putins resolve on this matter. Furthermore some seemed to have forgotten the literal ass kicking he gave the zionist stooge Saakashvili. But oh well! It certainly is interesting times we are living.
When someone has you by the balls (Gazpom) you have two options.
Who has who by the balls? Really?
It's pretty clear to me: Gazprom has Putin and Medvedev by the balls.
Actually Negue Gazprom is Putin for all practical purposes.
He owns like I believe a 70% stake in Gazprom.
Putin and Medvedev are the equivalent of a 2 headed Hydra politically like the Democrat/Republican Party in the US.
Brief history on Russia after the cold war Jewish oligarchs (Berezovksy, Khorodkovsky, Fridman, Gusinsky, etc) backed people like Yelstin. They were aligned with the NeoCons/Zionists. If things had stayed as business as usual the standard mode of operation would have been for these jeweish oligarchs to strip mine Russia of their resources then move to the US and Israel taking all the wealth they extracted from the country in the process. This is the standard procedure for these groups is they strip mine countries of their wealth then leave the place devistated and move on to the next victim.
What happened was 2 groupd aligned to throw them out the first group was former elements of the PGU KGB SSSR forming the Putin faction that caters to the nationlist factions of Russia and the other group consisted of elements of the financial and industrial sector that disliked the Jewish Oligarchs who backed Medvedev.
Once they got into power it is basically a 2 headed hydra like the Democrats and Republicans in the US that caters to almost the entire population base so no matter how the elections goes they always wind up 1 and 2 in the voting. Putin is the nationalist head while Medvedev is liberal business community head. That basically covers most of the Russian population.
The only real dissent against both in Russia are diehard supporters of the former Communist Soviet Union, rabid xenophobic nationalists, rabid pro-US liberals and Jewish exiles. That is group combined is a tiny fraction of the total Russian population.
Basically these factions out NeoCONed the Neocons using their same playbook cutting them and the jooos from controlling Russia's power structures using the same setup like the NeoCons did in the 80s once they were able to get Reagan under control after trying to assasinate him first.
Everything going on now is nothing more than butthurt Neocon and Zionists who think Russian resources belong to them and will do anything and everything to control of them, the socialist mantra what is yours is mine we see in the west being played out over those exiled Jewish oligarchs rights to gas and other resources being enforced throughout the world aka Syria and now the Ukraine.
If you want to know where the power structures in the Ukraine really align follow the oligarchs (Berezovksy, Khorodkovsky, Fridman, Gusinsky, etc) and which ones are aligned with the Jewish Russian oligarchs and which side of the conflict they support in the Ukraine. It will tell you everything you need to know...
As they say here follow the fucking money... There should be 2 strongly connected pools that align with each side.
So clearly Putin is nothing but a new version of Mobuto Sese Seko...
The Ukraine has as much right to leave Russia as the Confederacy had to leave the United States.
Yes and the Ukraine left Russia many years ago peacefully.
Umm, the Ukraine has been an independent country for over 20 years....
Keeping up Appearances???
No. It appears that the Ukraine has independence. How long will that last under a Russian Tank assault?
You are free to do as we tell you. You can watch 200 Channels of American Gladiator. Aren't you so happy that you are so free?
We have more freedom in America than any country on the face of the Planet. Our citizens heve never enjoyed as much freedom as they do now. (Shit. If I can write this copy then why not write for the MSM???)
BULLSHIT!!!
I like playing the rewrite history if X wouldn't have happened game. Slavery was done with or without the civil war. The north and south would have reunited at some point. People will always be racist assholes, but in the game I play, some of the institutional racism is lessened without the civil war, reconstruction, etc. Lincoln wasn't a hero.
"when in doubt... NUKE'M!!"
Nuke 'em until they glow, then shoot 'em after dark.
pro tip: never nuke anything directly to the west of you
LOL! When the Russians speak - they sound very calm and rational.
Compare this to our boy Islamic, John Kohn, Mr. Soros McCain and the other female Rice douchebag. The USA is a disgrace now.
first there was Cypress'd now itz Ukraine'd...
the EU/USSA never learn...
http://www.debka.com/article/23704/Russian-units-transferred-from-securi...
Is the unified team considering hitting the regroup button on it's Powerpoint slide of former territories? Or is it bringing out the big wrenches to shut off the gas valves?
Re-invasion in 5, 4, 3.....
It's war Bitchez..... Get used to it.
Don't you mean WOAR?!?
Aaaaand it's gone.