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South Carolina City Implements Law Requiring $120 Permit To Feed The Homeless
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Gandhi famously noted that:
The greatness of a society and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals.
I would agree with that, as well as the obvious observation that a society’s greatness can also be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable members. This isn’t to romanticize homelessness or to condemn it. It is merely to note that the homeless are fellow human beings going through their own struggles and difficulties. You may not want to provide them food, but some people do, and there should never be an infringement upon such a basic human right as sharing food with someone who needs it.
Civil rights are often lost in societies by politicians scapegoating unpopular minorities. This happened with jews, gypsies, etc in Nazi Germany and we must be very careful the same does not happen here. One human being should be able to voluntarily give food to another in all cases, without exception. The concept of a permit needed that costs $120 per week is fascist, anti-human and downright evil.
From the Examiner:
Feeding the homeless is about to get harder as a new policy is set to begin this Saturday, Feb. 15, in Columbia, SC. Charities and non-profits well be required to pay a fee and obtain a permit 15 days in advance in order to feed the homeless in parks.
One impacted charity that was interviewed by theFree Times, Food Not Bombs, has been serving food to the homeless in Finlay Park every Sunday for 12 years. The group’s organizer, Judith Turnipseed, noted that the group has an impeccable track record and always tidies up after the meal. But with the new crackdown, Food Not Bombs will have to pay at least $120 per week for the right to feed the homeless.
Since the Columbia City Council approved its exile plan in August, the city has been trying to herd its homeless people to a shelter on the outskirts of town and keep them away from downtown. If charities continue to provide food in downtown parks, the thinking goes, it will allow homeless people to continue to live downtown, rather than being forced to leave.
Remember the famous warning:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
This is how it always starts. It reminds me of the fact that debtors’ prisons are making a huge comeback in the U.S. It’s always easiest to pick on the weakest members of society, which is why we shouldn’t.
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Most homeless people are mentally troubled in some ways or even in a multitude of ways. This country has very minimal levels of mental health care for anybody except the wealthy.
And they don't have permanent addresses. Getting government benefits like food stamps requires you to jump through a variety of hoops including providing an address, filling out forms, being capable of dealing with bureaucrats etc.
You don't need an address.
As long as you can spell your name you can get them. It's not rocket science.
hard to get food stamps? HA HA HA
Half the fuking population's got food stamps, FFS....
When you say that most homeless people are mentally troubled in some way, you know this because...
you tend to notice crazy homeless people more than those who keep clean cut... "look at all those crazy homeless people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias
"In statistics, sampling bias is a bias in which a sample is collected in such a way that some members of the intended population are less likely to be included than others. It results in a biased sample, a non-random sample[1] of a population (or non-human factors) in which all individuals, or instances, were not equally likely to have been selected.[2] If this is not accounted for, results can be erroneously attributed to the phenomenon under study rather than to the method of sampling."
Of course your implying Abilify and the DSM will solve hunger in America
Where are the insane asylums or whatever the properly accepted term is for the cuckoo's nest? A good number of people who were formerly locked up are now roaming the streets and are not capable of looking after themselves. I don't know what the right answer is for these people. The ones I'm talking about are about as capable of making a go of it as a four year old child, perhaps a violent one at that. Do know that forbidding charity except for by license is about as unAmerican as... well a lot of things our governments of all levels are trying to do to us.
A LARGE number of formerly institutionalized mentally ill now roam the streets - ther e are nowhere's near enough group homes or other programs available. And a good proportion of those mentally ill that ARE homeless have SERIOUS problems that manifest themselves in major behavioral issues.
You can argue that 'society' has a responsibility for these people - though some of them refuse ANY and ALL attempts to 'help' them - but evn a true saint would be hard pressed to deal with some of them. Having dealt with mental illness up close and personal ther are times when you DO have to 'walk away' because some peopel ARE beyond help. Sadly the mentally ill have a 'RiGHT' NOT to be treated despite the consequences for those around them. And being blunt, some of them should NOT be in ANY public venue (this opinion being supported by the person runnign the local homeless shelter who has to deal with a wide range of 'clients' from the working poor to the seriously psychotic.
the ones that are allowed out of hospitals are not roaming the streets, they are in housing programs with staff who look after them. If they start raoming the streets they are sent back to the hospital
If fairy tale Jesus were real he'd surely come back and whip some ass on the sick fucks who passed this law.Sounds like the perfect place to come down and reinforce some basic Christian principals.
And I could absolutely guarantee that every single member of the City Council who voted for this goes to church on a regular basis and would righteously declare him or herself a "good christian".
"Sounds like the perfect place to come down and reinforce some basic Christian principals"
Soon....and very soon.
Signed...."Fariy Tale" Jesus.
Didn't realize that everybody in the south was christian. Get off the i hate christians kick.
If that was directed at me.....just to let you know I put quotes around "Fairy Tale" as my way of zinging back at Binko for his characterization of Jesus. I don't have a hate Christian kick seeing as how I am one.
Ok, Baptists too.
Getting elected to city council in a city in the South pretty much ensures that you have to be Christian. What do you imagine? Some kind of Hollywood diversity raindbow coalition city council in South Carolina?
And I don't hate on Christians. They have their delusions and I have mine. It's part of being human. But, when it comes to the essential teachings of their fairy tale Jesus I'm a far better Christian than almost all the Christians I know.
Bob Jones would not approve
Should any of these scoundrels of the Columbia City Council show up at a local restaurant to eat, the proprietors should charge them $120.00 per entree, and donate the money to the local charties feeding the homeless.
Mayor Carmine De Pasto: If you want this year's homecoming parade in my town, you have to pay for it.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Carmine, I don't think it's right that you should extort money from the college.
Mayor Carmine De Pasto: Look, these parades you throw are very expensive. You using my police, my sanitation people, and my Oldsmobiles free of charge. So, if you mention extortion again, I'll have your legs broken.
[/animal house]
Getting milage out of this bit...so many places it works, kind of like that Hitler clip you see rewritten all the time.
How much is the permit to feed my guillotine?!
I know how hungry it is too...
We aren't supposed to feed the seagulls on the boardwalk either. We need to go down on the beach to do that. And we should NEVER feed the bears! Honestly, this article seems a bit alarmist. Clearly if the homeless stay in their designated zone they can be fed for free.
That's right... keep them in zones...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
"A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.[1] The term was originally used in Venice to describe the part of a city to which Jews were restricted and segregated."
I suppose we should motion to revoke their citizenship and call them 3/5 human as well... Only productive people like Jimmy D' are allowed to walk in this part of town...
I'm just saying that this solution enables some good outcomes. For example downtown is more attractive to business which promotes an improved economy. And the city can install feed-the-homeless vending machines in their zone for the tourists. You know, put in a quarter, turn the crank, and get a handful of nutritionally balanced food. I used these on vacation at a petting zoo and it was a lot of fun.
For all we know, the NAZI city council has a Large OVEN in the "homeless" shelter.
"They check in, they do not check out."
Actually these are good laws.
These keep the naive enablers from making the problem worse.
Cities that crack down on "feeding programs" that merely enable a homeless drug and alcohol dependent lifestyle are more enlightened.
Food and shelter is available but it is only administered within a comprehensive program that addresses drug and alcohol issues, mental health, and homelessness in a structured way that doesnt continue to enable a homeless lifestyle as a choice.
Enabling is wrong.
Hunger will motivate compliance with the programs actually trying to solve the problem rather than naively maintaining it
Nice one, Popper! Sure, let's motivate the mentally ill homeless population by starving them into compliance. A noble plan, indeed.
I don't care if they go buy nothing but bum wine and smokes, it's my fucking money and I'll do with it what I please
Damn straight.
Play that funky music.
"Saying you might as well pay attention. We can't afford free speech" Funkentelchy Parliament- http://youtu.be/tBAF3NNYAW4
Rightyo.
Better to have them rob people on the street than to let them get too dependent on handouts.
Work for it, homeless bitchez.
Carl.....with all due respect....eat my dick.
-1 for you.
Keep using that line of thought as a guiding principle. Karma's a bitch.
Yea, what he said, Carl.
"Cities that crack down on "feeding programs" that merely enable a homeless drug and alcohol dependent lifestyle are more enlightened."
Truly a modern Buddha...
"Homeless people need to be starved into compliance" - Gautama Buddha ~ 450 BCE
Although if I remember correctly he gave up all worldly possessions and traveled the land eating only by alms of strangers
"That is not the custom of your royal lineage. But it is the custom of my Buddha lineage. Several thousands of Buddhas have gone by seeking alms." - Gautama Buddha (what he actually said)
The difference between a bankster and a homeless drug addict is that the homeless drug addict might have some integrity, or at least be openly mentally ill.
I don't think Janet is playing with a full deck...
Have you considered Fox News I think they may have what you're looking for.
How long you been on the city council now?
Good for you Carl! Nobody said "Don't feed the homeless". The homeless can be fed in a place that helps them get un-homeless as soon as possible.
Nuke the homeless?
no feeding the poor unless the bolshevik get credit for it, got that bitchez
Outstanding. Make it $1200. Heck, make it $12k. The faster the "political class" pisses off the masses the sooner the pitchforks and torches come out.
Bravo, asshats! One step closer to the rope and a lamp post!
The "hood" might torch itself, but the majority will realize the truth.
Amen... hundreds of millions of firearms in circulation, and the vast majority of common folk know who to blame and where to aim... at D.C., their state capitol, or local city hall.
Just look at Connecticut as an example. Every one of those "assault rifle" owners knows exactly who the problem is. Even the cops and firemen get it. Your average teacher and mailman. They all get it. They just suffer from normalcy bias - assuming nothing reeeeeaaaaallllllllyyyyy bad will happen because it never has in thier lifetime. When it does, they know right were to look.
THe "who" in Connecticut-
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-mike-depraved-indif...
Get all the charities out at the same time with all their personel, feeding the homeless. More personel than homeless. Get anyone out who ever thought of feeding a homeless person. Don't get the permit. Let them arrest everyone and process them all. If I am homeless, getting fed, I would feed others too. Can't tell who is feeding who.
Fuckers.
If you feed the poor for free, that makes it less likely that they will be dependent on the State. Can't have that now can we? Every motherfucker has to be shackled in one way or another. How dare ou give for free what can be used to earn votes!?
Also, you feeding the poor takes away a job of the son of bitch at the SNAP office. You don't want to destroy jobs, do you?
So someone can give me a sandwich and I need to prove that I own a home? That's just lovely. Stupid government.
Next women will need a permit to hand out pussy for free.
While that would be fantastic, to my knowledge pussy has NEVER been free.
Never free. Plenty of charity cases.
Ordinances like SC's have been struck down repeatedly as an infringement of the first amendment's freedoms of expression and religion. See...
https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law-reform_imm... (Orlando, FL)
http://chosenfast.com/2006/11/22/ban-on-feeding-homeless-ruled-unconstit... (Las Vegas, NV)
But there's no rule of law anymore according to the lead criminal in the U.S., Attorney General Eric Holder, who declared the law dead whenever a member of the parasitic elite whines loud enough.
How about machetes and molotov cocktails for the poor?
1. I thought that SC was full of "God-fearing Christians"? When did they become "Gov-fearing Chretins*"?
2. I suspect that there is little chance of Niemöller's warning being repeated. Management has changed, so to speak.
* Chretin is French for 'Christian', but was a euphemism for a mentally impaired person, who was still one of "God's children", and thus a "Christian" soul.
They claim to be Christians but you gotta watch what they do with the other hand. Skaters call people who claim to be able to skateboard but can't POSERS.
An Exclusive Report By One Who Lived 22 Months In Prison
With The Famous German Pastor Who Defied Adolf Hitler
THE NATIONAL JEWISH MONTHLY, May 1941, pages 284-5, 301-2
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/niem/njm415/NatJewM...
In view of that fact, I once asked him how it had ever been possible for him to become a member of the Nazi party.
"I find myself wondering about that too," he answered. "I wonder about it is much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: 'There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany'."
"I really believed," Niemoeller continued, "given the widespread anti-Semitism in Germany, at that time--that Jews should avoid aspiring to Government positions or seats in the Reichstag. There were many Jews, especially among the Zionists, who took a similar stand. Hitler's assurance satisfied me at the time. On the other hand, I hated the growing atheistic movement, which was fostered and promoted by the Social Democrats and the Communists. Their hostility toward the Church made me pin my hopes on Hitler for a while.
"I am paying for that mistake now; and not me alone, but thousands of other persons like me."
"First they came for my Liberty, and I did not resist. Next they came for my Property, and again I did not resist. Then they came for my Life, and I had nothing to resist them with."
What if I give bread to a homeless guy so he can feed the ducks and he eats the bread himself? Do I still get a ticket or can we throw his ass in jail for stealing from the ducks?
I'm simply stunned...Unbelievable
No soup for you!
Yet these are the same people that will call Obama communist. If you want the homeless to move, incentivize them: offer them better food and maybe a movie you inbred, corrupt cracker heads.
Do what you preach, free market and capitalism is all about providing people incentives and not herding them into camps.
The only alternative is to steal food...
Providing boats, cars, and other bribery to city officials is still Free. No permit required. Sounds like a new Phil Collins album.
"Sounds like a new Phil Collins album."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiUQE5bJKFU
Phil Collins already did that album.
"Another Day In Paradise"
She calls out to the man on the street"Sir, can you help me?
It's cold and I've nowhere to sleep,
Is there somewhere you can tell me?"
He walks on, doesn't look back
He pretends he can't hear her
Starts to whistle as he crosses the street
Seems embarrassed to be there
Oh think twice, it's another day for
You and me in paradise
Oh think twice, it's just another day for you,
You and me in paradise
She calls out to the man on the street
He can see she's been crying
She's got blisters on the soles of her feet
Can't walk but she's trying
Oh think twice...
Oh lord, is there nothing more anybody can do
Oh lord, there must be something you can say
You can tell from the lines on her face
You can see that she's been there
Probably been moved on from every place
'Cos she didn't fit in there
Oh think twice... I don't care what your current station in life is that you can be so callous to those of lesser means - I loathe you. Always, remember your wealth and health is fleeting and it's later than you think.
I say feed them and give them guns and ammo.
If South Carolina needed an enema, they would stick the tube in Columbia.
all local groups which would be likley to feed the homeless should instead pool their resources, and obtain an empty commercial space in the area, negotiate a cheap rent and have it serve as the distribution point for food.
We already have that. It's located in Washington, D.C., and it isn't working.
Government isn't the answer, it's the proplem.
The two-bit hacks and whores who end up on these city councils are really quite mind-numbing.
Generally, you will not find anyone who has ever solved a complex practical problem on the non-government world.
God, what a place full of Retards.
Columbia has always been Full Retard.
Charleston is the real SC
Hey lakecity55. The whole fuckin country's difficient.
true.
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Beat the S**T out of the politicians.
With a whip.
Yes, a 45 calibre whip, point-blank, in the head.
But He said "I bring a sword". No mention of a whip, but then omniscience brings its prerogatives, if He decides to change it up.
PLEASE! I will vote for anyone who carries makes it law in San Francisco that you need a $2000 permit to feed homeless..... PLEASE.....
I would feed them if I were you. They'll key your car if you don't give them at least two bucks. They'll run your car tag and find out where you live and break into your home and burglarize your house -they may even rape your daughter or wife -or even kill you. They're very organized. Even if you were in a hurry and wanted to give a handout and didn't notice one of them -you're probably in their database. if they can figure out your name from this post (and they probably will), you'd better sleep with one eye opn, or have a damned good home security system. I ALWAYS tip them at least $5 - I don't want to incur their wrath. THEY'RE WATCHING YOU -count on it.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the nerds, and I did not speak out because DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS IS A RESPECTABLE GAME WITH A LARGE PLAYER BASE, OKAY MOM?!
Then they came for the Jews because, let's face it...they always come for the Jews.
And then they came for me, and I did not speak out because they actually already came for me when they came for the nerds.
Gary Gygax, R.I.P.
The town council obviously wants to deter any homeless from setting up camp in their town. If nobody wants to spend the $120 a week to feed the homeless, the homeless will simply move to the next town where being fed from kind strangers doesn't cost the stranger several grand a year.
Council members watch your backs.
The Orkin guy told me that if I wanted to get rid of the rats, I should stop leaving food around.
"The law, with its magnificent sense of equality, forbids both the poor and the rich alike from begging for bread or sleeping under bridges" Victor Hugo
That guy was on to something, with this rule of law thing. We should try that.
Last year I bought a classic rat rod at Myrtle Beach's "Run to the Sun" Car Show. Enroute to driving back to NC, it overheated just inside the SC border on Route 17. Two good ol' boys in a pick-up truck and a confederate flag on their antenna pulled over and offered me a ride to the nearest auto parts store to get a new thermostat. I purchased the thermostat and some coolant and they gave me a ride back, and actually waited until I was up and running. Salt of the earth guys. Contrast this behavior with my experience around five years ago on the Dan Ryan Expressway in Chicago (otherwise known as the "African 500"). Do NOT get a flat tire on this highway unless you want to be pelted with "D" size batteries. Lay-off SC....
+1 cb!
I recently relocated to SC, to the southern suburbs of Charlotte just across the the state line. The people here are fuckin' magnificent. Just today, a neighbor helped me cart in a bunch of medical supplies from my pickup truck.
I'm in a wheelchair (paraplegic since '94). He's about as black as the soles of my shoes. Just goes to show you difference between a genteel black American and a Chicago Afrothug. That whole city could go up in a mushroom cloud, and I'd mark it up a net positive for America.
I've always said there isn't anything in America that couldn't be fixed with a few strategically placed nuclear devices. SF, Chicago, NY, Madison, D.C.
Ahhhh, just warms the soul on a chilly Feb morning.
The absurdity of politicians knows absolutely no bounds whatsoever !
Gandhi famously noted that:
Terry Gou, the head of Foxconn:
Tell it to a genetically impure giraffe.
Isn't this the Christian state that booed Candidate Ron Paul when he said that he would apply The Golden Rule in his diplomacy with other nations?
Not everyone wants the same things done to them. For example grown ups in Egypt want their daughters' clitorises cut out, at the very least, and a good fraction take the (health) risk of carving off their labia too. So the golden rule kinda misses, well, everything that happens in most places.
You shall know them by their actions.
So what happens if a homeless guy fishes out a half-eaten Big Mac out of a trashcan and wolfs it down? Is he gonna need a re-use permit for that, or maybe a prospector's license, or an authorized recycling certificate, or what?
Because things are likely to get worse before they get better...
People, like animals, tend to congregate where their food source is. City parks are for families and children, not deralects, drug abusers, alcoholics, schizophrenics, and criminals. I understand, and support what Columbia is doing. If you read the piece, and was paying attention, you will see that the fee only applies to "park feedings". They can still be fed elsewhere, like missions, Salvation Army centers and churches for free, where it belongs.
Finally someone who recognises what the permit is for! However, I believe the park is in the downtown and downtowns are generally deserted during the weekends. If this city is anything like the big US cities that I have seen, downtown hosts a lot of homeless people. So effectively they are feeding the homeless where they live and in a public place that is hardly used at that time. Can't see what the reason is to dissuade such an action. But then, I don't know that place and my assumptions about the homeless of the town living in the downtown or the park in question being otherwise deserted at that hour may be wrong.
Whatever the motivations of the city council, it would be really sad if this dissuaded the volunteers from feeding the needy altogether.
Here is what needs to happen: several hundred people need to show up every day with food and dare the cops to write them up or jail them. There aren't enough cops to deal with it, and the courts damn sure don't have the time and the resources.
We have the power, people! The American people's recent finger-in-the-air to OwebamaCare is just one example. Let 'em pass any law they want - fuck 'em - we won't obey it.
Just like Owebama is doing.
south carolina in general and columbia specifically are among the most wicked places in the world. i pray to god almighty that he wipe out those wicked people for passing that vile law.