Meanwhile, On The Main Square In Sevastopol: Live Webcast

Tyler Durden's picture

... The Russians are staking out their claim, after those ships which we wrote about yesterday and docked overnight at the main Crimean port, have unloaded their cargo.

Then, there's this from the Guardian:

Sevastopol installs pro-Russian mayor as separatism fears grow

 

Moscow shows its influence in Crimean city amid fears the whole peninsula could seek deeper ties with Russia

 

Authorities in the southern Ukrainian city of Sevastopol have installed a pro-Russian mayor as fears grow that the Kremlin may be stoking separatist sentiment in the region.

 

Sevastopol's city council handed power to Aleksei Chaliy, a Russian citizen, during an extraordinary session on Monday evening while more than a thousand protesters gathered around city hall chanting "Russia, Russia, Russia," and "A Russian mayor for a Russian city."

 

Fears are spreading that separatists in Sevastopol, and the Crimean region of which it is a part, could use the power vacuum in Ukraine to seize greater autonomy and deepen ties with Russia.

 

It was not immediately clear whether local security forces would back Chaliy, but earlier in the day Sevastopol police chief Alexander Goncharov said that his officers would refuse to carry out "criminal orders" issued by Kiev.

 

At least four checkpoints manned by armed police were in place on major roads into the city to stop the arrival of extremists, according to local media reports.

 

Ukraine's interim president, Olexander Turchynov, warned on Tuesday that the country faced a "serious threat" from separatism.

And elsewhere, the following poster can be found:

And there's this:

 

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nonclaim's picture

Another barbecue?

StacksOnStacks's picture

Bullish!

 

SILVER BITCHEZ!!!

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Without a presence on the Crimea, Russia risks being trapped in the Sea of Azov (i.e denied access to the Black Sea).

The Crimea has historically controlled access to/from the Don and Dnieper Rivers.

Joe Davola's picture

From the 100 year war to the Crimea

With the lance and the musket and the Roman spear

To all of the men who have served with no fear

In the service of the King!

PR Guy's picture

 

 

If you think the Ukraine might be a shit place to be in the near future, believe me, it ain't as shitty as this place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAZyirfvE_s&feature=c4-overview&list=UU-Y8tHCwNCHYzGL8iw5IOXA

 

skwid vacuous's picture

Obama's Cuban Missile Crisis is coming very soon, let's see what level of confidence a homosexual president can muster in the sheeples

MeMadMax's picture

Well, lets see here.

Egypt, syria, jordan, and israel go on their own to build a pipeline to turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Gas_Pipeline

 

Egypt, and syria are total wrecks and quatar, saudi arabia are responsible for it and have also admitted to wanting to build a pipeline of their own.

 

Ukraine is a huge gas transit area for the rest of europe...

 

Now it's a wreck too...

 

Anyone else see a pattern here?

TBT or not TBT's picture

The Egyptians are the first responsible for being a wrecked people. Syria has a harder case given its geostrategic position and mix of ethnicities, longstanding hangovers. Nearby Iran has Hezbollah in there wrecking it from he inside out.

semperfidelis's picture

Bring the popcorn! This will spiral out of control in a matter of days. You can`t just go in with the tanks in another sovereign nation, its an act of war. This will get ugly.

And there is also this:

On 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[6]), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine's borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.

strannick's picture

Join Europe? Ukraine hasn't got enough debt if its own?

SamAdams's picture

A video surfaced a few days ago of Russian Military vehicles traveling the highways to the Ukrainian border.  Didn't make too much news in the Western world.

Urban Redneck's picture

That looked like a platoon, it wasn't an invasion force. Look at all the "giant" US material movements that are on youtube from the 2nd round of Iraq - those are generally single brigade/regiments not even single division sized movements.

Joe Davola's picture

You're probably right, but there's less to move when it's in your back yard.

MarsInScorpio's picture

Semper:

 

Not a flag officer, huh?

 

Russia is reinforcing its legally leased base to prevent the munitions and arms from being taken from the base in the turmoil. They are protecting their legally held property and working for peace . . .

 

Care to prove that untrue?

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yrbmegr's picture

By stationing APC's in the town square?  Seems a bit of a stretch.

ZerOhead's picture

So it's protecting their legally leased base by shipping weapons there?

Obama and Netanyahu simply will not stand for such a provocation to their own interests. And please don't point out the hypocrisy of the American base at Gitmo in Cuba... that's different...

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

Tell me Zero - what are Obama's "interests" in Crimea or Ukraine?

 

Netanyahu's?

ZerOhead's picture

Something to do with global domination and faster delivery times...

Why don't you read up a little and figure out where Victoria Nulands' "Fuck the E.U." comments came from and what happened subsequently... here I'll help get you started...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/02/25/the-us-played-hardball-against-uk...

Karl von Bahnhof's picture

Peacefull protesters poke out the eye and cut a hand off captured policeman

 

http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/231572-evrotvari-vykololi-glaz-i-ot...

 

 

 

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

Nice dickishness, cunt. I'm unconvinced and unimpressed. Are you capable of expressing a coherent thought on the matter yourself?

Hint:  there are no such interests in said region. This is the meddling of the Global Banking Empire, not a nation state on the other side, nearly, of the globe.

 

Now go make me a sandwich.

ZerOhead's picture

They are one and the same... or haven't you noticed?

Now enjoy the shit sandwich!

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

yes. you don't protect a base, during an insurrection or coup, at the base.  A perimeter would be nice.

By the way, Crimea is an autonomous province and I suspect has asked for a Russian troop presence.

 

The East and Crimeans do not want to be the new government in Kiev.  Do they have a right to self-determination, or not?

Russia offered a plan which would essentially have meant Russian and EU investment and trade deals.  The EU rejected it.

The EU and NATO has been forcing the issue and destabilizing the country - not Ivan.

 

But Ivan isn't backing down here. I guess it's up to the American public if it thinks a war over Crimea is reasonable.

I don't think it will happen.

MarsInScorpio's picture

Johnny:

 

"A perimeter would be nice." Thus the reason why the vehicles are beyond the base's lines . . .

 

OR

 

The photo was taken while they were driving between some points that we don't know because we don't know the city's lay out. So when I looked at the cirty square in the live webcast I didn't see any military vehicles in the square.

 

I agree that the US public will not support a war for the Crimea. They don't even know where it is.

 

This is the EU's baby - let them print more euros to pay for it.

 

The said part of that is that our criminally inspired FED will front dollars to provide them with the ability to do so.

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graneros's picture

I agree with most of your post but this part:

"I guess it's up to the American public if it thinks a war over Crimea is reasonable"

is pretty much laughable.  Our govt doesn't give a fat rat's ass what "the public" thinks about anything.  Our "leaders" think ONLY in terms of political expediency. Will it help their cause? Will it help re-election? Absolutely nothing else matters, right or wrong, good or evil; what am I, the politician, or my party gonna get if I do this is their only guide.

RabbitChow's picture

Didn't the CSA have the same problem with the US,  1860?  Wasn't Lincoln 'just trying to protect' it's legal base in the middle of Charelston harbor?  Gee, what happened there?  Didn't the south tell Lincoln NOT to stock the fort?  Then what happened?  Russia may have some legal right to their leased property, but this smacks too much of them just wanting to pick a fight, beat back the peasants, and install their own puppet.  Kind of like the US does all over the world.

Andre's picture

The problem was/is Nuland conspiring with the agitators. Putin has a legitimate gripe to that extent. The 200 troops are a tripwire  - Show the townsfolk the Russians care. Any mob that tries to get too frisky will be in serious trouble. Any force dedicated and/or competent enough to overrun them brings the Russian army in from the north.

Sad thing is, I can see both sides of this. Stalin murdered millions for collectivization. When Hitler's troops rolled in they were greeted with flowers. The "forest war" of the UKP lasted until 1956 for very good reasons. Russia is not popular in west Ukraine for a lot of reaons.

OTOH you have the ethnic Russians in the east. Much less a part of the "old Ukraine", much more sympathetic to Russia, and more wary of the basket case the EU has become. Siding with the EU for them is a bad deal - their industries would be subject to all kinds of arbitrary idiocy from Brussels, while Moscow is less burdensome (in some ways).

Urban Redneck's picture

No. it's not necessarily an act of war. And the shot callers aren't going to execute an act of war (at least not yet).

1) The Russians have bases in Ukraine - that means there are binding treaties in place in regards to transit rights, irrespective of who the legitimate head of State in Ukraine is (plus a ton of MIC factories (which means more transit rights).

2) Who the head of State of Ukraine is right now is legally ambiguous, which would actually imply that there has been no change in the head of State. (Read Art. 111 of both the 2004 and 2010 Constitutions).

3) Budapest Memorandum - Holy of Holies & Irony of Ironies, it gives all the foreign signatories the right to send in troops in order to maintain territorial integrity- so what happens if Sevastopol declares independence - the Russians can legally send in troops (but so can the Americans) which is why Russian railroad lines, and what is happening on the Russian side of the border (unreported) is so critical. Assuming trains move west at ~80km/hr how many hours will it take to infiltrate 2000 Russian tanks and legally seize all territory east of the Dnieper river, and how long would take the US's far slower and more limited air and sea lift capacity to position the same amount of men and material in Western Ukraine? There is a lot of shit going on right now that simply isn't being reported. The question is how long ago both sides started dusting off the Cold War ground invasion of Germany plans and swapped maps...

ZerOhead's picture

So you declare independence and everyone else gets to invade you... somehow that doesn't seem right.

To bad America is still at war against Al Qaeda in so many other regions...

/s

MarsInScorpio's picture

Urban et al.:

 

WTF is with you people??!!

 

MAD - MAD - MAD!!!!

 

There is not going to be an armed showdown over the Ukraine - or anything else involving Russia, US, or China.

 

NOBODY is prepared to cash in all the chips and commit suicide for the sake of a bunch of bankrupt Slavs.

 

What drives you people to harp on your hot war lunacy??

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Overfed's picture

Damn straight there won't be a hot war. Nobody in their right minds will take on the Russians on what is practically their home turf. EU/US will back down.

Urban Redneck's picture

That's not harping on hot war- there is a vast difference between a showdown and a conflict. The fact is that Russia will use the various tools at its disposal to protect its borders and its interests. The military is only one tool, but it doesn't turn on a dime. Both sides draw up war plans with every conceivable enemy, and none of them (except MAD) can be instantly implemented.

In a related vein, actions speak louder than words. Mr. Lavrov and Mr. Ed can talk up a storm, but Mr. Ed will take Mr. Lavrov far more seriously if his intelligence reports indicate that the Russians are preparing (and therefore implicitly prepared) to follow through on words with actions. If Mr. Ed is being told that the Russians are in no position to intervene, Mr. Ed will presume he has more latitude than he would otherwise. Nash, Harsanyi and Selten didn't win an award in memory of Alfred Nobel for their advancement of lunacy, it was awarded for the advancement to dismal science by the application of game theory.

CourageousDogSnootyCat's picture

Well said.

I think this crisis is related to the Syrian crisis and it all has to do with the Arab States and The United States muscling in on the European oil/gas market.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Yup, that's pretty much what I already said: 4471442

PIIGS --> UPIIGS --> TUPIIGS  (U=Ukraine, T=Turkey)

"When the NatGas + Oil flows from the ME to the EU via Turkey, it will cease to flow via Ukraine:  "Check Mate, Boris" was my prediction.

Wax on, wax off.  Pipe On, Pipe Off.

earleflorida's picture

location. location, location...    if link below fails:    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/28/the-map-shows-palestinian-loss-of-land/

'Palestinian Loss of Land to Israel: *1917 (the reason for WWI?), **1946(WWII) , ***1947 (Israels`Independence War(?)s); 1948-49 (Armistices` Agreement+Moar ?), ****1967 (Six-Day War), present 2012... '   

 http://1.bp.blogspot/-wJU_qG8j_HI/UmgTXIZ8F6I/AAAAAAAAGfk/xxMZrrXTw4w/s640/israel-palestine_map_19225_2469.jpg

now the pattern with all it's nascent historic chronology and bibi's, faux`naif serendipity... misplaced, or lost and found in a gutter on Tel Aviv's-- Rothschild's Bvld....     "Levant Basin Province Assessment Areas"                   http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/leviathan-gas-field-levantine-israel/                 Note: Click on Right Top Panel Map

{(Gaza, Palestine?)(EU broken Cyprus, and Turkish military might, not to mention Erdogan's fallin out since Israel commando raid on humanitarian ship for gaza prison camps(?))(EU broken'd [can Greece and Turkey reconcile?]Greece)(Lebanon nearing a Civil War?)(Syria stuck in ahard place)(Tukey fighting for it's Political [ussa gulen] Life with USSA special alQueda CIA`agent... saudi businessman-- the eminent financier of terroism and global jihadi--- Yasin al-Qadi!)}                       

http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/worldwarII.htm

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=turkeys+cyprus&qpvt=turkeys+cyprus&FORM=IGRE#a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasin_al-Qadi

jmo

AnAnonymous's picture

Obama's Cuban Missile Crisis is coming very soon, let's see what level of confidence a homosexual president can muster in the sheeples
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'American' ability to fabricate a cocoon of fantasy to shield from the most immediate reality always stands impressive.

In this case, it is probably boosted by the presence of a negro in Washington and 'americans' cant take it that a negro match them in the display of 'american' talent.

Putin's Cuban missile crisis is coming very soon. Not Obama's.

That is Russia that is being besieged, not the US. Most obvious fact that 'americans' cant take in order to preserve their comfort of mind. That is the kind of things the greatest thing to have ever happened to humanity, 'americanism' leads human beings to blind themselves at.

Summary of the situation:

- A government whose legitimacy by elections was acknowledged by 'americans' was prevented by 'american' nations to deploy the necessary forces to subdue an insurrection. In similar cases, 'american' nations have proven they do mess around. 'Americans' lock down the insurrecting area, encircled it with the military and get the work done.

-The rioters were supported by foreign interests, that deployed agents on the ground to organize the forces and help the progression.

-The rioters were drilled in urban warfare and included numerous nazi factions.

Despite this situation, 'american' nations simply deprived a legitimate government of the opportunity to defend itself. That was the proverbial 'american' right to self defence.

This situation is not yet cleared that 'americans' are stepping up the game by questioning the legitimacy of russian bases like the one in Sevastopol.

It is a matter of years before 'americans' start calling for Ukraine to join the NATO.

The 'american' negro in Washington is sweeping the floor with the white power icon Putin who is losing ground to 'americans' as no other russian or ussr president before.

Yet 'americans' must dismiss this obvious fact.

The situation is cruel to 'americans' as they are facing the vanity of the 'american' covenant.

What 'americans' are doing in Ukraine is traditional 'american' business, same stuff they have been doing since 'americanism' became a reality on 1776, July, 4th.

'Americans' keep crushing people left, right and center. But what is new, 'americans' no longer receive their share of the loot. Up to now, 'americans' were used to be bribed in ignorance, 'american' increased advance to hegemony usually translated into a better life style for 'americans'.

Today, 'americans' keep crushing but the biscuits are no longer there. Where is their share of the loot?

One way to cope with the brutal reveal over the reality of the 'american' covenant is to take shelter in fantasy.

The fantasy is that 'americans' are being trashed everywhere. They are losing in Ukraine, Putin is beating down Obama, that is why them, 'americans' no longer received the due share of the loot. Because the loot isnt there.

The reality, though, is that 'Americans' keep advancing, they are dominating more and more the world. But it no longer comes with bribery to its citizens the way it did in the past.

Tough, tough world for 'americans' to live in that 'american' world is.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

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Putin's Cuban missile crisis is coming very soon. Not Obama's.

This assessment is correct.

That is Russia that is being besieged, not the US. Most obvious fact that 'americans' cant take in order to preserve their comfort of mind. That is the kind of things the greatest thing to have ever happened to humanity, 'americanism' leads human beings to blind themselves at.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up. All those years when the big scare was sold of the commies blobbing up via Domino Theory machinations, and yet it turns out that the US and its vassal states habe been the ones knocking over the dominoes.

Ignore the red, white, and blue rhetoric and instead examine the results. Take an inventory of the number and location of Russian military and naval bases in foreign countries and you'll complete the task quickly. Do the same for US bases in foreign countries and you'd better make some coffee because you have a long list to enumerate.

A government whose legitimacy by elections was acknowledged by 'americans' was prevented by 'american' nations to deploy the necessary forces to subdue an insurrection.

Elections and "democracy" are good when the outcome favors the US and its vassals. Any different outcome indicates the presence of evil which must be stopped for the sake of humanity.

Even a proper election outcome "democracy" must be closely watched. When such a government makes decisions which favor the interests of its own country over the interests of the US and its vassals, it can only be explained by a manifestation of evil which must be eradicated promptly.

The rioters were supported by foreign interests, that deployed agents on the ground to organize the forces and help the progression.

Ah, but the rioters were downtrodden people yearning to breathe free, just like 1953 Tehran, 1960 French Indochina, 1980 Afghanistan, et cetera.

The rioters were drilled in urban warfare and included numerous nazi factions.

The rioters were freedom fighters and the cause of humanity required providing them with training, advice, and five billion dollars.

Despite this situation, 'american' nations simply deprived a legitimate government of the opportunity to defend itself. That was the proverbial 'american' right to self defence.

The government lost legitimacy when it rejected the embrace of debt from European Union US vassals in favor of a better deal from evil empire Russia. What priorly would have been self defense then became oppression and, of course, the big threat to humanity of "killing its own people".

This situation is not yet cleared that 'americans' are stepping up the game by questioning the legitimacy of russian bases like the one in Sevastopol.

Somehow it will be revealed that the Sevastopol base is the first domino in the resurgent blobbing up of Big Poppa Commie.

It is a matter of years before 'americans' start calling for Ukraine to join the NATO.

All part of the recipe, baked into the cake from the beginning.

'Americans' keep crushing people left, right and center. But what is new, 'americans' no longer receive their share of the loot.

Being A Global Force For Good® costs money. But hey, it's all for "democracy" and humanity reaps the benefits, so don't criticize the Good Guys.

Spumoni's picture

Ye should've kissed the Blarneystone before ye went out there, aye?

Jack Burton's picture

PR Guy, I get your point, but that is actually the type of place I enjoy. It requires being used to cold and wind, which I am. The Northern Islands like Shetlands and Faroe Islands, or the Northern Coasts of Scotland. I love the cold fall weather up there and the grey skies and wind whipped seas. It requires a certain type of person, but hiking these coasts in Sept. when the gales begin has been a favorite vacation pastime for me. I knw most head for sandy warm beaches, I prefer the grey wilds on the North Atlantic and North Seas.

foxenburg's picture

@Herd Why would Russia be trapped in the sea of Azov? They've got a couple of hundred km of the Black Sea coastline. They could build a new base  at Novorossiysk

HardAssets's picture

Those aren't tanks, theyre APC type vehicles (armored personel carriers). Not a lot different than what theyre giving small town cop shops around America (unfortunately).

Unless there is a threat that requires them (opposing armor or anti-tank weapons) - - -you wouldnt think the Russians would roll main battle tanks.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Rumors were that Merkel was the result of a Stasi medical experiment using Der Fuhrer's sperm...

HyBrasilian's picture

Fucking HITLER [do know that, among other things, he burned my waffles this morning]? ~ bastard!

Tall Tom's picture

Godwin's Law was demonstrated within the article when they displayed the Poster that had the Flag with a Swastika on it and made it an issue to point that out.

 

You did read the article, right? You did...Did you?

Mentaliusanything's picture

LOL that was the best laugh.  That is the Money shot of the year

TBT or not TBT's picture

Thats why she went for a doctorate in quantum chemistry.

americanspirit's picture

It wasn't Hitler's sperm that was used, although they did manage to save some DNA from a dingleberry found between his tightly squeezed butt cheeks. That would explain the rather pinched look on her face.