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Pope Opens Vatican Bank Kimono
In a desperate attempt to distance itself from the widening corruption scandal linking the Vatican's bank accounts to fund (and allegedly bribe) a 2007 acquisition by Monte dei Paschi of Antonventa, the Pope has taken an unprecedented step in open the Vatican's finances to public view.
As Reuters reports, Pope Francis on Monday revolutionized the Vatican's scandal-plagued finances by appointing an auditor-general stating that the Church must see its possessions and financial assets in the "light of its mission to evangelize, with particular concern for the most needy.
The auditor-general will have wide oversight powers "to conduct audits of any agency of the Holy See and Vatican City State at any time," a statement said. Francis decreed that the changes have "immediate, full and stable effect," abrogating any existing rules not compatible with them.
Pope Francis on Monday revolutionised the Vatican's scandal-plagued finances, inviting outside experts into a world often seen as murky and secretive and saying the church must use its wealth to help the poor.
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The auditor-general will have wide oversight powers "to conduct audits of any agency of the Holy See and Vatican City State at any time," a statement said.
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A Vatican statement said the changes "will enable more formal involvement of senior and experienced experts in financial administration, planning and reporting and will ensure better use of resources, improving the support available for various programmes, particularly our works with the poor and marginalised".
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Francis decreed that the changes have "immediate, full and stable effect," abrogating any existing rules not compatible with them.
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The role and structure of the separate Vatican bank, formally known as the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), will not change for the time being, a spokesman said.
There was no mention of the IOR in Monday's statements. Francis has not ruled out closing the bank, which primarily handles funds for religious orders and Vatican employees.
Both the IOR and APSA have been at the centre of scandals. Italian magistrates are investigating the IOR on allegations of money laundering. The Vatican dismisses the charges.
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In this world of games within games, I really hope this is for real.
I'm an atheist, by the way.
Kevlar undies, PLEASE, and don't drink the tea.
I'm not Catholic..., not much of a church going man at all...,
but I like this guy.
(and good luck cleaning this mess up)
Me too!!
bankers doing gods work
my favorite
Nothing that anybody does in the Catholic hierarchy does will impress me until they root-out the pedophiles.
Can we maybe try to eek out ONE win before we have delusions of going to the Super Bowl?
If this action is as-advertised, it could help track the money side of the whole pedophile thing. And you KNOW there had to be a lot of money sloshing around to cover up something that rampant inside the Catholic church.
I am Catholic, but the Catholic Church isn't exactly "catholic". In its corporeal aspect, its a billion person institution, with some factions doing this and some that. Napoleon said to the ArchBishop "we will destroy your Church in 10 years and the Arch Bishop replied "good luck, weve been trying to for 1700". Anyway, this guy so far looks like one of the good ones.
He's a Jesuit, not to be trusted & part of The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate.
I think I agree. Only twice in the history of the church has a living Pope been retired. Why was the German Pope (Benedict?) retired for this guy? The old German guy seemed like a kindly old gent. Was it Clestine V who stpped down in 1294 AD then was thrown in jail and died there in 1296 AD.
Why did it happen a second time now?
Karen Hudes 24 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCoOTEHq2Fo explains the situation.
(World Bank whistle blower)
This pope is a fucking dumpster fire. He is a Marxist-Homosexualist, so anybody who thinks he will actually do anything to turn back the tide of homosexual pederasts who have infiltrated the church in the last sixty years is clinically delusional.
As far as opening up the Vatican finances to scrutiny, that's a fucking joke. What he will do, is squander and dissipate the church's wealth and render it utterly ineffectual going forward.
So, you SUPPORT this action, then?
This guy is a complete fraud. The Vatican bank has real problems, but I guarantee that this is a complete smokescreen.
This guy is to the Catholic Church, what Obama is to the USA. Says one thing, does another.
in the last 60 years???
I hope you are joking.
They've been doing what they are doing for centuries. 60 years? Give me a break.
You will notice I said 'hope' but I thought the rest of my comment made it clear that I am far from convinced.
I'll try to be more obvious in future
You are an ignorant tool, brainwashed by Hollywood. If you knew the first fucking thing about the church, you'd know that the pederasty problem really got under way in the 1950s.
Are you catholic? Are you even Christian? You sound like someone who learned everything they know about the Catholic Church from the NYT, the Boston Globe, or Time magazine.
Ever read the scripture about Babylon the Great? Get out of her or share in her sins. Catholic Church is doomed along with all false religion. Best run from that institution like it's burning down because it is...won't be long till it's gone
Well, you don't know what you are talking about. If you believe that, then you deny the very words of Christ himself.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18
Since when did Jesus declare the Catholic Church as his church? Guess you missed the one about a tree being identified by the type of fruit it produces eh? What kind of fruit they have produced has revealed the church for what it really is. In bed with governments, mixed up in politics? What are they doing getting mixed up in world affairs, wasn't it Jesus himself who said his kingdom was no part of this world? Pedophile priests who are moved from one place to another, declaring bankruptcy in diocese to avoid paying restitution to victims of the churches crimes. Teaching a myriad of false doctrines that to directly against what the bible says. Yes their fruit is quite evident...this is only the tip of the iceberg. These governments will pick them clean until there is nothing left. And how about all those billions and billions of dollars the church has amassed...I bet that's looking mighty fine to all these broke governments right now. Mmm
Church of the flying spaghetti monster :D
I take the rock to be Peter's confession of Jesus as the Christ of God, not the Catholic Church.
Well, one might find this a bit interesting.......
http://standupforthetruth.com/2014/02/pope-to-copeland-catholics-and-charismatics-must-spiritually-unite/
I know when I'm wasting my time.
Given I have no time to waste, I will just ignore your inane ramblings.
If brains were dynamite, you couldn't even blow your hat off.
Enjoy your delusions.
I'm an atheist, by the way.
Spoken like a true chauvinist. May I suggest that you take a look at Irish Catholic and English orphanages from basically day one? Or perhaps you would like to study the 'holy work' of the Inquisition in what is now southern France between 1200-1750? Or the reports, numbering in the thousands, of sexual predation by missionaries from 1800 forward. For that, you can visit any part of the globe.
While the Jesuit Order ran the Inquisition. Pope Francis is just turning the tables.
Gay does not equal pedophile you smelly turd! Don't worry! This pope won't make you stop loving angels, miracles and other churchey bullshit!
Actually, considering that 99% of the pedophilia cases in the church are perpetrated by gay men against boys, then gay==pedophilia.
They are pedophiles. They don't get off on grown men, only boys. Not gay. Consult your catholic book of bigotry for handy tips.
Get yourself informed, asshole. Fully fifty percent of ALL child abuse is committed by homosexuals. That is a FACT. When you consider that about 2% of the population is gay, and yet they commit 50% of the child abuse cases, well-- do the fucking math. Gays are 25 times more likely to abuse children than straights.
Judging by your intensity, I take it you were an altar boy.
Don't facts generally come with source info?
Getting yourself informed, asshole, is a great idea! I note you don't source your "fact." Virtually all child sex abuse has a girl as a victim and virtually all of that is perpetrated by a family member - father, uncle, brother, cousin. The "look over there at teh gays" bullshit is a convenient way to cover that up.
And I at least have a link. Checkmate, bitch! https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
I am no expert, thank God, but I thought pedophiles seek out children before puberty of either gender.
There is a name for it, but essentiaaly gay rapists, seek boys who have reached puberty or are older. This is the case in the vast majority of church cases. There have been a few books written about this.
Lumping this all under pedophiles is totally incorrect.
Freddie,
I am no expert, but to me any man or woman seeking out a sexually immature child for sexual gratification is a perverse evil individual. I frankly do not care if they are categorized as hetero or homosexual. In my world they should be shot on sight. I would not waste my time debating proper definitions. Of course, I see things a little on the black and white side. Many would suffer if I were to attain dictatorship and are surely happy I will remain forever powerless.
Miffed;-)
why would you worry about "homosexual pederasts" in catholic church when male babies in n.y. (and everywhere else) are dying from orthodox jews with poor oral hygiene who suck and fondle little boys' penises with their tongues?
http://forward.com/articles/192278/protect-the-children-mayor-de-blasio/
http://forward.com/articles/191918/new-york-baby-infected-with-herpes-af...
Wait, wait-tell us how you really feel. Gee. Somebody in leadership takes Christ's teachings seriously and you label it Marxist. If this is Marxism, we could use more of it. If the Pope wants to expend church resources helping the poor, just who are you to disagree? Did your accidental birth leave you rich? That doesn't happen to the vast majority of people. All that wealth came from centuries of pillage and tithes. Why should it not go back whence it came?
Changing the pedophile sanctuary isn't going to happen overnight either. The first step in healing a problem is admitting (forced or no) that it exists. Howzabout you let slip a little of that ole benefit of the doubt for awhile, there Buckaroo? The church has been a sanctuary for sexual predators from time immemorial - and it ain't just a Catholic problem. Pope Francis is making a bold attempt to make an enormous institution relevant - more than I can say for any other standing government on this planet.
He might convince me if he started a new order. That is the Order of the Millstone
Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck,
and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
And me! I'm an optimist
My guess is real. But only because ALL institutions have to be destroyed for the true arrival of the NWO.
POPE ['Francis' ]?... I'm still not sure... . I'd REALLY be skeptical about this... 'Jesuit'? [color me unimpressed so far ~ more than the EXPECTED money changing]...
Cheesepope Francis...?
Never had a chance to ask francis what a cheesepope was. Tried googling it and never got very far.
well, at least cheespope francis wont have to worry about the jewish pope abe:
http://forward.com/articles/192722/abe-foxman-jewish-pope-retires-from-a...
I'm not Catholic..., not much of a church going man at all...,
but I do not trust this jesuit pope.
Kevin Annett: Argentine official to testify against Pope Bergoglio's child trafficking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38BpcpthCM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUCd...I love a good conspiracy theory...and there is a metric crap-ton of conspiracy theories surrounding the Jesuits.
But even setting those aside--this pope stinks, just based on his track record in Argentina.
turd did you watch the clip conspiracy theory?
how about being a little less active on this topic kind of looks a little like you are being paid yes no.
watch the clip and shut the fuck up
Why don't you go ahead and eat the peanuts out of my shit. You sound like a douchebag of the first water.
Are you and Tony twins? Or are you just trolls? Your posts are trollish.
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So.....the last bastion of the corrupt and scandal-plagued is.....disclosure and honesty?
<Too freaking funny. They really must be desperate.>
It does seem tough to swallow. But I find it hard to argue with his actions so far. Maybe I'm not cynical enough, but I can't find many cynical ways to look at this action. Maybe this one we can take at (something close to) face value.
Let's see if those records and accounts are ACTUALLY opened up for review. If they are, let's see what's in 'em and go from there.
Now, if Janet Yellen proposes doing the same thing with the Fed's finances, we'll all know this is just the "new scam" and we can go about our business, secure in the knowlege we're just being lied to and misled in some new and inventive way.
Are you a serious, thinking Catholic? If you were, you'd know that this pope is a fukcing train wreck. Ann Barnhardt has been all over his case since day one.
http://www.barnhardt.biz/?s=Francis
You know, I'll still take this Pope on my team. If he turns out the be a fraud, I'll kick him off again.
He's obviously a bag of hammers when it comes to his knowlege of.... pretty much anything worldly. But I'll take a guy who is apparently trying to be honest and forthright.
"this pope is a fukcing train wreck."
Kind of like having Pope Jimmy Carter?
I don't think the outcome is dependent upon opening any records for review. I think the more important issue is who is appointed auditor-general.
Letting an iconoclast loose in the Holy See with the authority to abrogate Canon Law is unthinkable... so the Devil is in the details.
Banking is "complex" enough, without even indulging in Banking Crime, but if they nominate a European (or anyone inclined to consensus, as opposed to demonstrable facts, science and hard evidence) then they effectively neuter the Inquisition.
Truth vs Justice (and justice is a process not an outcome)...
Someone in the vein of Bill Black would be a wise (albeit risky) choice, but if there isn't a resounding chorus of "Holy Shit!" from the Holy See upon the nomination, then the outcome is preordained.
If either one of the two things you refer to or better yet both, actually happen, I would start to think the book of Revelation is about to unfold.
True disclosure and honesty would pretty much fix things.
Honesty is the only way forward.
When corrupt fucks start using the word honesty, watch out, you know they are just looking for plausible deniability and will be back to their old tricks as soon as your guard is down.
I understand all the skepticism. I believe this Pope hasn't yet done anything to deserve condemnation though. The Marxist crap is just ignorant and the entire pedophilia sickness is credibly assigned to an intentional effort to destroy the church. Not giving the church a pass on it. The handling of the homo/pedophile crisis was abysmal, sad and disgustingly inept.
Sure, Francis is Jesuit and everyone knows that is very problematic. He is first and foremost though an individual and has in my opinion and the opinion of an extraordinary percentage of the worlds population been a real gift.
Don't allow your personal biases or ignorance of truth stain your otherwise highly respectable opinions Cog. The man deserves a chance and some benefit of the doubt.
Corruption and pedophilia are not confined to the church - any of them, but both are wrong.
Only psychopaths can be involved in either.
Unfortunately, it's psychopaths that run the place.
Are you even Catholic? Do you know the first fucking thing about this guy, and what he stands for? Do you know his history in Argentina as a bishop, or cardinal?? Is everything you know about the guy based on what you read in the NYT or Time magazine???
It's great to be dictater.
I'd make a joke about his likely future meet up with a nail gun if this is for real, but that would involve too many connotations.
Audit the Vatican Bank
And audit the Fed too
So Papa Francis, let us know how much gold is held by the "Amministrazione Speciale Della Santa Sede Stato Della, Citta del Vaticano" and the "Amministrazione Pontificia Per La Opera Di Religione, Citta Del Vaticano"
Cheers!
Vaticoin - Creation's most Holy way to pay and get paid
I truely believe that this Pope is on the up and up, and this from a person who had a dream of raiding the Vatican Library...
This is what America could have had if it had elected Ron Paul...
Take another hit off the bong, chief. This pope is the worst pope in the last 500 years.
Buckaroo,
As a non-Catholic, who only see occasionally what this Pope has done, so far he has impressed me to no end.
Not sleeping in the Vatican Castle, visiting the poor of Brazil, cutting back hugely on the Vatican extravagance.
All of those are things that I have heard he has done. Sure, it may be pure MSN bullshit, but I am not willing to take the time to look at other sources to see if it is bullshit. I am not Catholic, so dont care that much.
But so far, either his PR team, or himself, has impressed the hell out of me.
Oh, great. I'm so glad that this pope appeals to NON-CATHOLICS.
Just the way that I'm glad that Obama appeals to non-Americans.
Get it???
I get it.
Catholics need someone to tell them what to think.
My faith is informed by reason.
Is your faith informed by the New York Times?
Get your head out of your fucking ass.
Spoken like a true Catholic. How very Christian of you.
He's volunteered the audit so it obviously assets will be properly accounted for. I'm more interested in what happens after the audit and I'm betting if the Vatican has gold bars they are filled with tungsten since China rejected them.
Nothing is "obvious" about this pope. Just because he called for an audit, doesn't mean anything.
Really not into the Pope and Catholic ways although respect any and all religions. But this Gentle man really wants to make a difference. Just does not get caught up in the pomp and circumstance and could care less about fortunes and hype. Why can't we have someone like that in America, who is honest, true to the cause, and does not care about personal wealth or status. And loves his country. I must be losing it.
I know, I have been to close to the plants.
"Really not into the Pope and Catholic ways although respect any and all religions."
Well, mission accomplished. If you wanted to appeal to the religiously ignorant, while simultaneously being absoutely appallingly to actual serious Catholics, then pope Francis is made to order for folks like you.
If someone calls me religiously ignorant, I'll take that as a HUGE compliment.
I only believe in one less god than you.
Well, at least we now know you don't know the first fucking thing about what you are talking about,
Thanks for the insights.
Well that's not a very christian like response. WWJD?
Jesus would tie some pieces of cord together... He wasn't into "societies of Jesus". He was no respecter of persons, but he knew how to go Rawhide when necessary. Just imagine Jesus coming after you with a whip... Picture that.
I wonder that could be turned into a Family Guy episode. A whip wielding mean Jesus going to town on the masses. Banker's would be absovled as they are doing "God's work" from what I've read.
Jesus called out hypocrites and douchebags like a motherfucking BOSS.
Read some scripture. What he did to the Pharisees, the Sanhedrin, and the money changers in the temple, was fucking epic. That guy had some balls on him.
try this....
http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/A...y.Changers.htm
Dude! You are way too wrapped up in religion! Get a hobby or attach yourself to a local sports team. It's unhealthy to be so obsessed with the magic book and men in dresses.
Ho Lee Fuk, I'd find it hilarious that so many of you guys were buying this hook, line and sinker if you weren't supposed to be the cynics of the intervebz.
You hit the nail on the fucking head.
I have to admit I didn't read the article but went straight for the comments on this one.
Hope and Change in the Vatican. Hey, it's worked well for America..........
I guess I need to be a bit more careful when I post.
If anyone thinks that I believe this guy, even if he is for real, which I doubt, has any chance of changing anything, you got me wrong.
Change won't come from the elites., it can only happen when people wake up to how they are manipulated and decide to put a stop to it.
Not holding my breath, but I haven't completely given up hope. (close, though)
Your Credit Score automatically goes to 100 if you have a previous conviction for Paedophilia , (and they secretly double it if you never got caught)
the only organization more corrupt then the IRS............the VATICAN
In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.
It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch- treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America,.........................Paris Peace Treaty 1783
Perhaps you should take a look at FIFA, and maybe the IOC and the UN. And then there is the EU Commission.
I am not, I repeat NOT, gonna comment on this. This story tells itself.
I don't think there are enough zeros to make their finances public.
In the spirit of he Queen walking through her gold vault. #winning
Deposing the Pope, and More: Kevin Annetthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjt9s6CWtNs
OK, OK, the guy is a pro-pederast Marxist train wreck. I get it, and I am sure it is true.
But someone ought to tell him that bankers are winding up dead all over the place. He might find himself with eight or nine nails shot into his head - by his own hand, of course.
The Godfather Part 4
the vatican and its pedophile perverts are doing a limited hangout to cover up the fact that it is the world's biggest drug money launderer for the us military, which in turn, under the aegis of the bush crime syndicate, is the biggest drug dealer in the world bar none.
the vatican handles the filthy lucre of drug money, which drugs fly into nato bases from afghanistan - one of the reasons the bcs invaded it - to support their pedophile, homosexual sex ring, another connection they have with usmc and other military elements.
the vatican is satan's little salon where he practices all of his crap and destroys people with his lies. the vatican is a complete corrupt hell hole
If you like your hopey changey you can keep your hopey... Wait a minute!!!
I think I am going to keep away from threads with any religious connotations, there's rarely any rational argument in them, just bigotry and willful ignorance, two things i try hard to avoid.
Coincidentally, I just viewed an episode of Fronline which covered the corruption in great detail.
Recently retired Benedict ordered a wide ranging investigation into the financial dealings of the upper echelon of the church. The report was delivered to him in December 2012, and he stepped down about two months later. The story is he belived there were Cardinals involved, in addition to department personnell, and high level administrators.
Episode covers the story of the Butler who came forward and was skewered by the criminal element.
IMO He believed it was necessary that an outsider pick up the ball, as the criminality existed in his closest circles, and surrounded him daily, as was the case with previous Popes who apparently did not have the same intestinal fortitude as Ratzinger.
The presentation covers a lot of ground and is worth the time.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/secrets-of-the-vatican/
Until the Vatican banking system fully pays out ALL accounts, with such interest as is due, and calls in all of the loans, without interest accrued, they are still committing mortal sin by usury, which was and still is anathema to good stewardship of the earths resources created by God. The Church must foreswear usury if it hopes to survive as the "church' till Christ's return.
Seems like this New Pope does stand for changes. I'm liking this.
Now, a request.
The Vadican basement stores History, lots of History. Maybe a Building could be Opened, or a few, that these Items could be placed on Display. That would cause a Visit , for Myself and my Family. This would then begin a new Trust and a Base going Forward. I can handle the Truth, don't you think it's Time.
If this happens, I may learn to Forgive..............Something I can not do at the Present. Allow me and my offspring to grow. Religion may even again become a part of our Lives......
Thanks Francis you are one of the very few things that makes proud to be an argentine.. You are fighting dark forces inside the mordor though.. be careful! You could be poisoned tomorrow.
Thanks Francis you are one of the very few things that makes proud to be an argentine.. You are fighting dark forces inside the mordor though.. be careful! You could be poisoned tomorrow.
Thanks Francis you are one of the very few things that makes proud to be an argentine.. You are fighting dark forces inside the mordor though.. be careful! You could be poisoned tomorrow.
Like JP the 1st whose last full meal didn't quite agree with him,
and whose post mortem could have been done better by the mailman.
I used to want to be Emperor, I'm starting to think that Pope might be better.
This is like Jamie Dimon appointing an auditor to investige fraud at his bank!
O the Augean stables of Pope's poop...
Read about it in "the Count of Monte Paschi" my next book.
New auditor-general pre-approved by Ernst Conrad Rudolf Freiherr von Freyberg-Eisenberg, Knight of Malta.
P2 will kill this guy if he keeps on this path
close the kimono and back to business as usual