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Ukraine Calls Russia's Bluff, Slashes Nat Gas Imports By 80%

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Twice in recent years, Russia has suspended gas supplies, or notably raised prices, as the somewhat well-known "trump card" of Russia's oil and gas supply to Ukraine (and Europe for that matter) remains Putin's easiest option for clenching his iron-first against the divided nation. Following a pre-emptive move in November by Ukraine to diversify its energy supply,  Russia had reduced the price of gas for the highly indebted Ukraine in December (to entice Ukraine under Russia's wing); but, after recent events, Dmitry Medvedev signaled on Monday that the price could be raised again. However, today we find that Ukraine's state oil and gas company, Naftogaz, has slashed gas imports from Russia's Gazprom by  stunning 80% in February as Ukraine tries to show Russia it can't be pushed around... of course, with limited (and more expensive) alternative supplies, we fear this could well shoot them in the foot.

This action is similar to that taken in November (before the EU accession discussion)...

Russia and Ukraine waged two gas wars over prices in the winters of 2006 and 2009 (which lasted 3 weeks) over a claim Ukraine was late in paying.

 

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Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said that if Gazprom refuses to revise its contract, Ukraine would stop importing gas from Russia. In a step away from energy dependence on Russia, last week Ukraine signed a $10 billion shale gas deal with Chevron.

 

Ukraine is speeding up its effort to diversify its supply, and has looked at different exporters, fracking, new offshore projects in the Black Sea, as well as new LNG terminals and pipelines to diversify supply. Ukraine imports more than half of its gas from Russia, but under Viktor Yanukovich’s leadership, has intentionally scaled down Gazprom imports 40 percent over ‘unfair prices’.

And now today,

Ukraine's state oil and gas company, Naftogaz, has slashed gas imports from Russia's Gazprom to 28 million cubic meters per day as of February 24 from 147 million, two Russian industry sources told Reuters on Tuesday.

 

They said Naftogaz had gradually reduced its imports from 147 million cubic meters as of February 1, but did not offer a reason for the cuts.

 

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Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev hinted on Monday that gas prices, reduced as part of a Russian bailout in December, may revert to higher levels.

 

Ukraine consumes about 55 billion cubic meters of gas each year, and more than half is imported from Russia. Gazprom exported 161.5 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe last year.

 

A Gazprom official declined to comment on Naftogaz import volumes but said Russian gas transit to Europe was unaffected.

So simply put, they want to show Russia they can't be pushed around... the trouble is, of course, that with alternative supply routes in short-supply (and only more expensive alternatives available)...

 

 

...they may well be shooting themselves in the foot. That and the whole being out of money thing too won't help.  Finally, as everyone knows by now, Russia does have the "trump card" no matter how hard to get the Ukraine plays:

 

 

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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:17 | 4475197 Gavrikon
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May?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:19 | 4475214 NotApplicable
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Dunno, those people seem pretty hot already.

Besides, there's plenty of buildings left to burn.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:21 | 4475222 fx
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what a crap! they slashed imports because they have no money to pay for them! GL with these shale gas projects - they may or may not pay off, but they won't come online before 2016 at the earliest. And btw. Medwedew announced that russia was to honor the contract with the lowered gas prices despite the chaos in kiev. And, mind you the 'evil' "russian boy' yanukovich had fought with russia and lowered gas imports. A poor story full of bs and contradictions.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:24 | 4475244 MarsInScorpio
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FX:

 

Great points.

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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:06 | 4475490 SamAdams
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Didn't take long for austerity to set in.  This should provide the alternate gas suppliers a handsome profit.  I'm sorry revolutionaries, it's simply supply and demand (but you get to join the EU!).

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:22 | 4475584 earnyermoney
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The Ukranians will turn on these CIA stooges running the show. I'll give it 6 months. As part of a bailout package, the IMF is demanding Ukraine pay higher gas prices to someone other than Gazprom. LOL

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:36 | 4475606 LawsofPhysics
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Exactly.  Will be even better when Russia sells the gas/oil to India, China or Iran for real shit (tech or PMs etc.)

Still don't know what happened to Brazil in all this.  Looks like the RIIC countries will do their own thing now for sure.

As I said earlier, go long black markets and sharecropping (especially in the rich Ukrainian soil).

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:37 | 4475669 Flakmeister
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It took years and years to build the pipeline infrastructure pointed west...

You do not change that overnight...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:46 | 4475715 zerozulu
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a successful strategy of IMF, I should say?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:58 | 4475788 Flakmeister
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More like Russia wanting to gets its exports to markets that demanded it...

You know, capitalism...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:30 | 4475626 Freddie
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There EU pals are already setting them up for Chevron LNG, ADM fructose corn syrup and Monsanto GMO poison.  Who are all these leaders on the streets of the Ukraine from foreign countries?  Hopefully the Ukrainians will figure out who these rats are. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:54 | 4475769 Ghordius
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Freddie, for all it's faults the EU is still somewhat resisting the inroads of the US Agrobusiness lobbyists. don't you hear them shout?

fact is that there are only some 50 GMO plants that are allowed, and if you research a bit you'll find many articles where US Big Food lobbyists claim that EU GMO restrictions and labeling rules is all "consumer scare tactics" and "trade barriers"

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:59 | 4476267 indygo55
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"fact is that there are only some 50 GMO plants that are allowed, and if you research a bit you'll find many articles where US Big Food lobbyists claim that EU GMO restrictions and labeling rules is all "consumer scare tactics" and "trade barriers""

 

Bullshit! The foods are the most important foods there are and we cannot either get away from them if we wanted to and we are not allowed to know if they are there anyway,.. Monsanto is protected by the goverment and the people are not allowed to see labeling identifying the GMO. WHY IS THAT?

 

http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:24 | 4475245 The Juggernaut
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Not sure if the IMF deal for petrol-dollars went through.  Are the Saudi's lining up?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4475267 pods
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Life imitates art.

Who runs Bartertown?

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:27 | 4475274 MarsInScorpio
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I see the average for this story is now a 3 - someone voted it a 1.

 

Now that we now for sure that the trolls are on the gov payroll, is downvoting part of their strategy to discredit the importance of stories and remarks?

 

Of course it is. What do you think Cult of Reason is all about??

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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:34 | 4475316 pods
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Cult of Reason really had a hard on for this subject. For shits and giggles I clicked to see when he signed up and it said authorization denied. That only happens to people that have been Francis Sawyered.  I am too tired of conspiracies to look any deeper. YMMV.

pods

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:05 | 4475493 Urban Redneck
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Cult had been lobbing ad hominem insults at the Tylers and ZH integrity for weeks, that's far more patience than I would have had, and after all- it is their site.

Cult was no Francis Sawyer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:16 | 4475540 pods
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My guess is he is local to that area.  Or local to McLean VA.  

Just too much info too soon after something was posted.  Agreed on he is no Francis.

Cheesepopes FTMFW!

I miss trav too. 

pods

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:27 | 4475610 LFMayor
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all i miss are the tit pics, but I am admittedly a very shallow person :(

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:02 | 4475801 Almost Solvent
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Langley?

 

Fuck Langley!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:37 | 4476088 MeMongo
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I miss janus! Lotsa good music links:-) Complex individual apparently though!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:46 | 4476168 fuu
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Janus is still around: http://www.zerohedge.com/users/janus

Best profile ever really.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:43 | 4476097 Flakmeister
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Trav was an interesting study. He definately knew his shit and he made me seem down right polite if you catch my drift...

You may recall that he and I cleaned out essentially all  the energy/oil trolls here..

It would seem that he got shit canned as well, but he denied that in private communications with me. He claimed the site had gone to the dogs and got tired with it... Selfserving revisionism perhaps...

He did become more and more fixated on his percieved shortcomings of Blacks and he finally may have crossed Tylers line in the sand...

The hate always does them in... 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:54 | 4476235 tickhound
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Yeah, I had no problems tolerating his fixations to get to the rest of his content. He was unique and distinct. The place could use more of this.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:09 | 4476335 Flakmeister
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This is the best "fix" you can get on him (admittedly 5 minutes of google work)

http://s48.photobucket.com/user/trav777/profile

and

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-817129-trav777-Findlay-Ohio-Su...

And he is still actively posting elsewhere...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:12 | 4476357 fuu
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Love the pastel tattoos.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:44 | 4476561 tickhound
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Wherever he is I'm sure he's scaring the fuck out of people unapologetically.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:33 | 4476796 Flakmeister
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Yeah.... That's the one...

Tmosely for one ain't going to miss him, Trav used him as a punching bag...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:59 | 4476909 tickhound
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Well, and if it's any consolation to Tmo, I see him now using his intelligence to think "outside" the boxes. And that's good enough for me. Having any point contrary to a currently accepted meme is revealing around here, and has exposed this place enough times to be just as much an echo chamber as it is anything that resembles "cutting edge."

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:30 | 4475629 ConManipulation
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I'm a newb, can someone please fill me in on "Francis Sawyer"?  Or at least just point me to a link..?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:48 | 4475729 Ghordius
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allegedly he invented - or introduced to ZH - the term "cheesepope". some very interesting remarks, lots of comments that were deemed as racist. I haven't checked, but his mourners write that his comments were deleted

imo a bit overblown. fact is that ZH's servers are in a jurisdiction that allows free speech, but applies some legal constraints on form. and does not allow anything that does incite to violence, particularly if done regularly and systematically. something that upholders of 1st Amendment rights regularly misunderstand when confronted with continental european legal culture

in short, I remember he was often about Jews, moar Jews, Zionists & Israel

meanwhile, if Cult of Reason was indeed banned... well, ZH is a private site, isn't it? Insulting your host is not polite. I once made Tyler an offer to buy it (the offer was serious), but his price was... impossible

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:09 | 4475843 smlbizman
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francis is still around~~~~~~~~~~~~read the tea leaves

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:22 | 4475885 Urban Redneck
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I get 426 results just with cheesepope from google, so it may be some people using the built-ZH search function- which I'm guessing doesn't include the archive server for performance reasons.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=francis_sawyer+zerohedge.com+cheesepope

And his last pseudo-explanation of "cheesepope" but it doesn't really carry water in light of the concurrent timing of the multiple ZH policy changes to move in-line with the various applicable Swiss laws.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-11/skies-over-france-empty-air-tra...

BTW - on the subject of it being their site, while what was once taboo (to at least one of the Tylers) may be acceptable now, I had similar experience (with a substantial documentation) on the subject of reported changes gold ETFs, so in light of the .gov troll issue, .il troll issue, there is still the ever-present .bankster troll issue (and their army of lawyers) to be wary of.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:15 | 4475911 ConManipulation
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Aaaahhhh...many thanks for that!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:51 | 4475733 Flakmeister
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He was a Holocaust denying anti-semite that consistently blamed Jews for every evil on the earth...

He however could be very clever and was clearly no dummy as he was very skilled at rhetoric...

Does that remind you of anyone?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:03 | 4475806 Almost Solvent
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Obama?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:09 | 4475844 Shitters_Full
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Pat Robertson?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:18 | 4475928 pods
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Come on Flak, that is canned B list Ad Hominems.

I will leave it to others to search his posts to see what he wrote.  From a cursory glance they are there.

Francis did not like the new policy that Tyler implemented on the site.
Tyler did speak of it in a post about spending time defending our sandbox from lawsuits, as it is hosted in Switzerland, or was.

This issue is bigger than Francis, Tyler, us or the CADL.  

I will end it with this quote that pretty much sums it up:

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

-attributed to Voltaire.

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:33 | 4476055 Ghordius
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and who exactly can't be criticized, here on ZH? Jews? How many are there, 15 millions? All of them?

just before this degenerates into one of those strange discussions: here on the european continent we seriously tried to exterminate them and other groups. please some respect for our laws that take this wee bit in account

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:38 | 4476504 pods
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I have no respect for laws that forbid discussion of topics.

If things were so tight with the common meme of the (last) Holocaust, why would you jail people who dare to even question it?

I can understand Tyler making whatever rules he wishes. But that won't stop people from asking questions.  And this is a larger topic that is independent of ZH.

Like how many HIV "infected" people are dying today from AZT, when in reality, there was never a causal link found between HIV and AIDS?

(look that up if you want to see how being right can kill people)

When you can't ask questions because something is right, you stop learning.

Global Warming and Climate Change?

Unless you are of that protected group, you cannot say anything?

If that is free speech, I sure as fuck don't want to be a part of it.  And we better stop calling it "free," maybe call it "right" speech.

pods

 

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:39 | 4476837 Flakmeister
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There is a difference between legitmate discusion and the attempt to use discredited sources to further a revisionist agenda...

Have you ever known anyone with serial number tattoed on their arm? I have...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:49 | 4476877 Johnny Cocknballs
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This is too clever. Any source which goes against the narrative will be deemed "discredited" by you and your cognitive ilk a priori.

You're not even good at pretending to be honest.

There is some truth to the idea, as Finkelstein suggested, that there is a religion formed around this issue.  I don't doubt some things are fabricated and obvious fakes/forgeries - but this is the case with much of history. And the reverse. The Israelis destroyed Palestinian villages and erased their history as much as possible, while making absurd claims about their own actually poorly documented connection to the land [relative to the Egyptian or Assyrian cultures].

I had an epiphany one day - I didn't have to be intimidated by bullshit smears. 

This exchange helped:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ

I highly suggest you view the above if you aren't familiar with it.  To me, you are the girl in the audience.

I'd be ashamed if I weren't as honest as I could be.

Why aren't you?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:14 | 4476947 Flakmeister
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Talk about strawmen and red herrings...

This is all about your views and stated opinion that the Holocaust was not as bad as it has been made out...

Since you seem to feel that the official narrative is wrong, just how many Jews were gassed? And where?

When ~80% of all you posts disparage Jews and Zionism, well, it ain't hard to determine what is motivating your question of Holocaust numbers....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:14 | 4476984 Johnny Cocknballs
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you're using both "strawmen" and "red herring" wrong. 

I'm tired of this Flak.  It's a waste of both of our time -I think you'll agree with me on that.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:16 | 4476990 Flakmeister
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Fucking right you are tired of this....

No, I think that right now, it is very good use of my time...

You are a fucking piece of shit....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:19 | 4477000 Johnny Cocknballs
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And you are too stupid to understand the point, shithead.  You failed to address Katyn or the # reduction I mentioned or why you know that despite the fact there have been many revisions to the facts, it should be illegal or otherwise dismissed as hate to quesiton this single item.

You're a dumb, dishonest clown.

And a real piece of shit coward.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:35 | 4477067 Flakmeister
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Quit evading the question..

No one cares about Katyn and how the USSR snookered the West (for a while) about Soviet involvement...

You publically stated here that the number of Holocaust victims was overstated, so just how many Jews died at the hands of the Nazis?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:00 | 4477193 Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks Johnny, someone shared this with me before and I was was mesmerized especially with the audience's response. It was very apropos to the discussion and I very much appreciated you posting it. I am inspired there are some who do stand against the "only acceptable" viewpoints promulgated today. Universities were once bastions of new thought and debate. Now only indoctrination centers for the most part.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:55 | 4476904 pods
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Not seeing how that is pertinent, unless we have to proclaim that we like certain people that might be made to look bad by our discussions.

I shared an office with a jewish guy, an engineer, and we used to discuss this often. I asked him why it seems jews are over represesented in finance. He said it was because they became jewelers after they were disallowed from other trades. Makes more sense than lampshades from their skin?  We used to have good, honest discussions about central banking, the Rothschilds, and how Germany imprisons anyone who dare question the Holocaust.  

And no, I haven't personally known anyone with a number tattooed on their arm. I probably know their kids though. I am not that old.

But, I do know of people that have tatoos. Does that count?

I know a few German words too, does that make me the dreaded anti-semite?

Where are we going with these strawmen flak?  Just want to be prepared is all.

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:07 | 4476958 Flakmeister
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Never thought of you as an apologist for thinly veiled bigotry....

It appears I was mistaken....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:34 | 4477062 pods
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How about this Flak, we can have a discussion and you can tell me when I have gone too far. Kind of be a ref so to speak?

Or like, the Thought Police?

pods

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:36 | 4477072 Flakmeister
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I am within my rights to tell you when you have gone too far with me...

Plead your case to somebody else...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:51 | 4477153 pods
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Fair enough. 

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:43 | 4476853 Johnny Cocknballs
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If the Katyn Forest Massacre could be attributed to the Germans for 60 years, even after it was they who invited the press and Red Cross in as they exhumed the bodies  {better to make the Soviets appear barbarous} and if the death estimates could be revised down by 2 million {granted, only of Poles somehow}, and the "lampshades made of skin" myth debunked, and the fact there are laws about questioning only this out of all history...

Makes me think the true numbers are significantly lower, and that the 6 million figure was purposely inflated.  In fact, I'd bet on some inflation but also don't believe for a moment those camps were intended to do anything but target a minority and work them to death.

The notion it is "racist"  to honestly have questions is absurd and offensive.  You can certainly feel free to question the numbers or specifics of the Armenian Genocide, and the Holdomor, or the Highland Clearances or Irish Famine or Pol Pot's genocide and on and on.

If the revisionists are wrong, let them be made fools of.  Laws to punish people for thought are absolutely odious.  Selective such laws indicate a double standard at best, and that something is being hidden from us at worst.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:53 | 4476898 Flakmeister
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I suggest you acquaint yourself with one David Irving...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving

I'd say he was made a fool of....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:06 | 4476952 Johnny Cocknballs
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I did not mention him. You did.

I referenced Katyn and the reduction of the death toll at Auschwitz. 

These were events/figures which were "history" for decades - before being revised.  Are you arguing that the death toll was not revised down? Are you arguing that the Soviets did not commit the massacre?

 

You failed to address these, or the larger point.

 

We both know why.

I'd say I just made a fool of you.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:12 | 4476979 Johnny Cocknballs
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Here's an article from that bastion of Holocaust Denial, PBS, about Katyn:

http://www.pbs.org/behindcloseddoors/in-depth/katyn-massacre.html

You can look up the story of how the Ausch. numbers were reduced down yourself.  The western press happily blamed Germany for Katyn.

Apart from what is wrong, or pure propaganda, there is what is left out - the firebombing of Dresden to frighten the Soviets, the declaration of war on Germany, but not the USSR, for invading Poland {where the west was formerly German/Prussian and where Britan and France had invaded and occupied more than Germany ever had}... this cartoonish villification of one side which allowed the starvation of POWs, ethnic cleansing and mass rapes after the war.

That sort of hate is whitewashed.  I'm not capable of it.  People like you are.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:21 | 4477009 Flakmeister
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Nobody is talking about Katyn except you...

We are talking about the Holocaust, and you have implied that numbers were significantly less...  So how many died at Auschwitz in your opionion? You also questioned the use of gas chambers. Care to elaborate?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:34 | 4477060 Johnny Cocknballs
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I mentioned Katyn and the death toll reduction at Auschwitz for a reason. I can tell you aren't a guy who has studied much history, which is fine, but the initial issue isn't to prove anything, it's the question as to why you think it is impermissible to doubt Z where X and Y were in fact revised.

You haven't addressed the historical revisions I mentioned - well, I actually don't think you understand the point.  I think you're so fired up about fighting "Nahtzees' and so ignorant of the history, you actually can't grasp the point, which is of a broader, more philosophical nature than your attempts at "gotchya" will allow.  

I think it quite frightening when people like you claim that all of history is open but one topic.  This isn't the same as agreeing with whatever "side" you are prosecuting in your mind.  You are far, far too much of a binary thinker.  Not the sort of mind for these sort of discussions.

 

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:40 | 4477089 Flakmeister
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All I asked you to do is elaborate on a claim you have made a number of times here...

So just how many Jews really died according to you? 

Whats it the matter? Cat got your tongue?

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:40 | 4477332 Overfed
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Flak, you are the most disingenous, intellectually dishonest fucker on this board. Nobody alive today knows what the real numbers are, whether the gas-chamber thing was the ultimate goal, or whether the Germans used Jew ashes for road salt. Chances are good that the answers are: Lower than we've been told, probably not, and certainly not. But the real problem is that questioning any of it is completely verboten. The official narrative is more important than the real truth. That should disturb any person with even a tiny smidgen of intellectual honesty.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:51 | 4477399 Flakmeister
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Hey, I am not the one saying 

The Nazi Holocaust of Jews was greatly overstated for political gains. [recall that the Auschwitz figures were adjusted down by some millions 

BTW, I am the straightest fucking shooter on boards here and have been for nearly 4 years... Your buddy CockIntheAss has been here barely 2 months. And if you don't recognize a paid troll, you are too fucking stupid to be playing with a keyboard...

Quote taken from here

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 18:07 | 4477508 Overfed
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I didn't know this was a union shop where seniority prevails. ;-) I ain't defending JCnB, I think he's got a pretty good handle on things for the most part.

Like I said before, the verboten nature of questioning any holocaust 'facts' should be disturbing to anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty. Believe it or not, I sometimes agree with  you on some subjects, but when you don't have real argument (particularly when defending any PC bs), you tend turn specious and disingenous real quick.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 18:20 | 4477557 Flakmeister
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And when intellectually honest people discuss the Holocaust I'll pay attention...

I'll give you a hint JCB ain't one of those people...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 18:32 | 4477625 Overfed
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I sometimes question the official narrative on the holocaust myself. Do I know what the real truth is in detail? Nope. Will we ever really know the truth? Certainly not if we are instantly branded as racists (gawd, I hate that term), or conspiracy theorists right out of the gate. Playing the race card or tin-foil hat card are every bit as intellectually dishonest tactics as anything  Alinsky (or Machiavelli, really) came up with.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 18:45 | 4477709 Flakmeister
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No, just who is being obfuscating here? 

There have been lots of scholarly studies of the Holocaust. I suggest you start there if you are curious...

And when the overwhelming majority of the posts of a newly minted prolific author have loaded references to Jews and what not, it is clear that the race card is being played. Open your eyes man!

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 19:01 | 4477795 Overfed
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Scholarly articles written by those who support the official narrative. That's kinda like trying to delve the truth of the JFK assassination by reading the Warren Comission report. All I'm saying is that maybe you could entertain the notion that you've been lied to about a great many things that you have accepted as truth. I've been doing just that for the last few years. It's painful, and it sucks when you realize nearly everything you ever believed is a twist on reality at best, but I would rather just now the truth.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 19:36 | 4477959 Flakmeister
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Here are a few studies that clearly disagree, start by understanding why they disagree:

From Wiki

In 1983, French scholar George Wellers was one of the first to use German data on deportations to estimate the number killed at Auschwitz, arriving at a figure of 1,471,595 dead, including 1.35 million Jews and 86,675 Poles.[157] A larger study started by Franciszek Piper used timetables of train arrivals combined with deportation records to calculate at least 960,000 Jewish deaths and at least 1.1 million total deaths,[158] a figure adopted as official by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum in the 1990s.[159] Piper also stated that a figure of as many as 1.5 total million deaths was possible.[159]

And if you want to differ with the "official version" you had better dig deep because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... David Irving spent years trying to exonerate Hitler....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:28 | 4478151 Overfed
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I don't have a vested interest in disagreeing with the official holocaust narrative. However, since nearly everything I have been taught about history has been a lie, I have no reason to believe the official story about anything. Even the holocaust.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:35 | 4478173 Pseudo Anonym
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i am not trying to dispute (or validate) your numbers; however, just like anything, statistics and data in general are always open to manipulation.  but, the larger question is who ordered the mass elimination of jews.  i propose it went down like this:

http://henrymakow.com/2013/11/Zionists-Sacrificed-Jews-in-Holocaust%20.html

and is it going to happen again?  some would say yes:

http://henrymakow.com/are_jews_being_set_up_for_anot.html

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:57 | 4476857 Pseudo Anonym
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i dont pretend to know more than what is in public domain; however, the atmosphere of what zh used to be and what it stood for changed since it became abc media.  it's not that tyler is making rules.  zh is a unique site and commenters here are intelligent and able to see through the deception and propaganda at all levels.  with all commenters contributing their views, you can distill the truth. and the truth that this fiasco is a largerly a zionist controlled operation is not something that serves the jewish controllers.  they have been exposed and it appears that the attempt is to stuff the cat back into the bag.  one way is to silence zh commenters that draw attention to the hofjuden conspiracy to eliminate sound money and replace it with judefetzen printed by jew controlled central banks.  one way to do it is to do what microsoft does best - embrace, extend, extinguish.     you mentioned voltair.  that about hits on the head. it would appear that zh was incorporated and shares sold to additional investors. those investors are most likely zionists since those commenters that connect the dots here and point out that most of the  financial decisions that matter at the fed, cb's, treasury, bis, imf, ecb, etc. are done by jews and are done to favor theft, fraud, israel, globalism and fascism at the expense of sovereign states and individuals are banned from zerohedge to appease zh shareholders who sympathize with zionism.  but what the fuck do i know.

http://aboutthissite.com/www.zerohedge.com

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 15:58 | 4476914 Flakmeister
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Wow....

So now ZH is a Zionist front?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:38 | 4477078 Pseudo Anonym
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the answer is no.   and your attempt to misdirect has been duly noted.  nevertheless, what i said, or speculated, was that zh commenters were exposing zionism daily here for what it was at all federal levels.  what i suggested was that in order to silence this source of reality, which zh used to be, was to buy into zeroheadge, unleash an army of trolls that accused anybody who dared to expose zionism as an anti-semite and racist, and then ban that particular commenter and those that supported him/her.  the effect is clear - fear of being called an anti-semite was instilled in zh commenters.  it is no longer a fight club here where commenters duke it out on their own.  everybody here now knows that they are being watched and that it is not politically correct to criticize zionism as connected to jews.  mission accomplished.  all it took was to pay the original tyler enough to sell and start steering zerohedge to be more like the rest of the jew controlled msm - supporting zionism.  but as i said, that's my interpretation of what is happening on this site and judging by the generic and uncontroversial content of news and the censorship of commenters, zeroheadge will soon be no different than huffpost, et al.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:42 | 4477099 Flakmeister
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If you were spinning any harder you would drill yourself into the ground...

Hey, this is Tylers house and we are his guests... Deal with it, he makes the rules...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:58 | 4477186 Pseudo Anonym
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true

this is Tylers house and we are his guests... Deal with it, he makes the rules...

but perhaps you can tell me who was the tyler that started "fight club"  and who are the tylers that run zerohedge site now, after it became abc media.  better yet, who are the shareholders in abc media and what their agenda is.  could you do that? 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:47 | 4477131 Urban Redneck
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When did ZeroHedge become ABC Media?

ZeroHedge did not become ABC Media by any Swiss regulation which requires the corporate name to be dispayed on web pages.

Show me the corporate transaction...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:07 | 4476325 Urban Redneck
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Voltaire far was more of an anti-Semite even than Flak accuses Francis Sawyer of being, but for the life of me I can't figure out where some American neo-nazi (or whatever the google-sourced culprit actually is) could have mistranslated any Voltaire's rather scathing descriptions or discussions of the Jews into that quote. Perhaps someone here has read his papers (not just books) or other contemporary accounts (en français) - and might have a source... However, if there was a legitimate attribution/translation I think it would have been brought fourth in the well beaten public discourse of l'affaire Dieudonné.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:28 | 4476464 pods
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Hencefact why I wrote attributed  to Volataire. 

I have looked up where it orginated and it was not him.

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:18 | 4476995 Urban Redneck
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I saw the attibution, and was conficted as to post a reply to your comment or to Flak's: "He was a Holocaust denying anti-semite that consistently blamed Jews for every evil on the earth...He however could be very clever and was clearly no dummy as he was very skilled at rhetoric...Does that remind you of anyone?" (I thought the latter choice would have been a bit esoteric for most.)

Why would that guy go with an insinuated insult of Jews - when Voltaire plainly wrote:

Les Juifs seuls sont en horreur à tous les peuples chez lesquels ils sont admis.

or in English:

The Jews alone are an abomination to all the peoples among whom they are admitted.

Voltaire was reasoned, smart, and skilled at rhetoric. But the whitewashing and dumbing-down of history does absolutely nothing to prevent the Rinse, Repeat of its more negative actions over time. The thought-police in Germany are the fertilizer of the Neo-Nazis. You don't successfully battle ideas with lies.

For a more comprhensive examination of Voltaire's racsism and anti-Semitism see:
http://www.contreculture.org/AG%20Voltaire.html

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:46 | 4477122 pods
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I debated actually writing anything after that quote to be honest. I had learned of it as being from Voltaire but never from where it was stated. Kinda irked me like the "separation of church and state" crap.

But, I love that quote because it is so very true. Only those who have no argument will use the law to stop discussion.

Power always hates the truth.  I saw this when I looked up the history of HIV and AIDS after seeing a documentary.

Everything nowadays has been bastardized by money and power.  Grant money is only available if you believe in a certain paradigm.  Crazy flat earth shit.

I saw a documentary on AIDS (House of Numbers) and was surprised at how little the science is settled, to borrow an AGW term.

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:57 | 4477182 Urban Redneck
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If you hadn't said it that way then I would've needed more background before tossing out what Voltaire actually wrote. But for all the fear due to the required policy changes we can still write just about anything (this entire thread being testament), it just has be defensible and structured in a certain way. ZH has to put their servers somewhere, ideally where the State will back them up instead of shutting you down, unless one goes with the TPB model but I think they spend more time worrying about IT infrastructure and connectivity and less about content quality. Cheers.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:00 | 4476919 Johnny Cocknballs
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A lot of Scottish hated the English for a long time...  pity there was no pithy term to reduce their feeling to a wholly irrational hate of a wholly innocent people.

'anti-semite' - all at once, you know there is zero validity to the claim.  It's not just over-stated, or over-generalized, as with other hates.  It is entirely baseless as the hated group is entirely blameless.

Bullocks, Sir.  Bullocks.

I think this either/or approach is horseshit, and actually counterproductive. In fact, qua group, ethnocentrism led to behaviors that offended the outgroup, and it became a vicious cycle.  The Church of course made this far, far worse.

But if you take the view Jews were like "rape victims" and any discussion of their actions qua group is merely describing what they were wearing...  then I think you're dealing with a false analogy and excluding some middle.  

You may or may not find this of interest. 

THE CAUSES OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS JEWS: A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW

food for thought anyway.

And here's one Voltaire did say:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"

 

and my favorite...

Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd one.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:11 | 4476973 Flakmeister
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And Voltaire never said the first one... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:35 | 4477069 Johnny Cocknballs
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I did not say that he did. Although I admit I was not aware this was not something he had actually said until a few comments ago.

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:49 | 4477138 Flakmeister
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Are you fucking serious, you just wrote this:

And here's one Voltaire did say:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"

Now back to Auschwitz and the Holocaust... How many died? And how did they die? You brought it up first, now finish it for us...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:35 | 4477351 Urban Redneck
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Let's be precise - Voltaire most certainly did write:

J’aimais l’auteur du livre De l’Esprit. Cet homme valait mieux que tous ses ennemis ensemble ; mais je n’ai jamais approuvé ni les erreurs de son livre, ni les vérités triviales qu’il débite avec emphase. J’ai pris son parti hautement, quand des hommes absurdes l’ont condamné pour ces vérités mêmes.

Dictionnaire philosophique dans lequel sont réunis les ..., Volumes 9-10

I haven't seen a copy of the letter to the Abbot le Riche, but the amateur "smoothing" of the English text comes from a 1906 Biography of Voltaire. Even French Wikipedia is crappy on this point - so I haven't even looked at the English version.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 18:03 | 4477491 Flakmeister
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That is a hell of stretch... My french is rusty but this is my take on the translation

I loved the author of The Spirit. This man is  more valuable than all his enemies together; but I approved niether the errors of his book, nor the  trivial truths he sells emphatically. I stongly sided with him when absurd men have condemned these same truths.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 20:24 | 4478133 Urban Redneck
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It is a hell of a stretch, and either your rusty French (which is a language that never translates well into English anyway) or intellectual discipline exceeds Evelyn Beatrice Hall's. The use of quotes in the 1906 edition for both actual quotations and 'interpretations' is problematic as well as the source list and index (based on a quick flip through of the 1906 edition). Helvétius did manage to piss off the academic elite, the Jesuits, the Pope, and the King - so while the original quotation certainly doesn't mention anything about "to the death", that was the reality of incurring the wrath of those he stood up to (fortunately Voltaire was only de facto exiled and ended up in Switzerland). Linguistically, Hall took a boeuf tourtiere and butchered it into a redneck turducken.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 21:42 | 4478409 Almost Solvent
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Flak is an admitted French Canuck (or wanna be Québécois) lover. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 00:19 | 4478882 Flakmeister
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.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 00:06 | 4478895 Flakmeister
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Note quite, I did my undergraduate work in Montreal...

But I do you give you cred for the proper placement of the accents...

As for my translation UR,  please inform where I went wrong.... I am all ears....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 03:18 | 4479229 Urban Redneck
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Neither one of us is a translator, but you are taking proper French and making it into bad English (albeit vastly better than a googlebot) while ignoring idioms.

Try this-

I love the author of The Spirit. This man is better than all his enemies put together, but I do not approve of the errors in his book, nor the half-truths he peddles. I defended his course loudly when absurd men condemned these same half-truths.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 03:46 | 4479248 Urban Redneck
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Logic returned to me, then google failed me for a moment-

The (complete) Fleming Translation (since Project Gutenberg is lacking)

I liked the author of the work “On Mind.” This man was worth more than all his enemies together; but I never approved either the errors of his book, or the trivial truths which he so emphatically enforced. I have, however, boldly taken his part when absurd men have condemned him for these same truths.

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/v/voltaire/dictionary/

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 09:59 | 4479681 Flakmeister
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I would say that I more than adequately translated it...

Sorry, basing the alledged Voltaire quote on that is a helluva stretch....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:34 | 4477064 Urban Redneck
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And of course, Voltaire argued that the odiousness of Christianity was due its inheritance from Judaism.

As for the Scottish, I always though "English" was derogatory enough, but there are plenty of slurs in other languages, the lack of a particular and popular term in Scots Gaelic is peculiar, but then there was a lot of fence hopping and inter-marrying.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:21 | 4477288 SAT 800
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All true Scots still hate the English; who are as far from an innocent people as you can get. Idiot.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:42 | 4477381 Urban Redneck
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How the fuck did you come up with a name like "SAT 800" - anyone with an 800 on the English (language) battery would clearly comprehend what I meant when I wrote, "As for the Scottish, I always thought "English" was derogatory enough" -- or was 800 a combined score?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:21 | 4475946 Herd Redirectio...
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Kunstler?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:08 | 4476337 dark pools of soros
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Me?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:13 | 4475523 vitoox
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C_o_R stinks like an eastern european whore. Most probably form Poland or Lietuva. He speaks English like no one more here at ZH. Crowds of i-net trolls are chasing U$ carrots in front of them to bite RussBear's heel.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:19 | 4475559 fx
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These whores from eastern europe are for most part actually quite pretty and nice and cultivated. It's highly unfair to liken them to some jerk like C.O.R.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:37 | 4475658 logicalman
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Snowden: Training Guide for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-ns...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4475259 Sofa King Confused
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OT:  On drudgereport main story.... Netanyahoo gives Merkle a Hitler mustache

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:36 | 4475322 pods
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His picture with the bomb is priceless. And I noticed he looks a bit like Dick Cheney?  Wonder if they came from the same coffin?

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:42 | 4475333 Sofa King Confused
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Damn they took that pic down quick its already gone. I should have done a screen shot

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:45 | 4476164 fuu
Tue, 02/25/2014 - 17:44 | 4477388 Overfed
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Once on the internet, ALWAYs on the internet!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:44 | 4476156 Buck Johnson
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Your exactly right, the treasury (during the infighting and such) has been sucked dry to the east and other places when they knew that Ukraine in the west was falling apart.  I bet most of the banks are under the control of Russia and most of the countries money (and gold) was located in Russian control areas and banks.  They have nothing truly nothing.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:17 | 4475200 williambanzai7
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Ukraine, powered by Barroso...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:35 | 4475321 TahoeBilly2012
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You too can be like Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugal/Cyprus and well on your way to "recovery".

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:56 | 4475775 silvermail
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"Ukraine, powered by Barroso..."

Now they will suck other tits - is one nipple from Uncle Sam.


Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:18 | 4475205 The Continental
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I hate ZeroHedge. All it does is crash crash crash.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:20 | 4475223 NotApplicable
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Noscript.net is your friend.

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:56 | 4476238 Tall Tom
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Thanks. I will give that a run. There are many other sites which are delayed because of scripts.

 

(I am running IE on Windows 8. I know that I will get slaughtered for that admission.)

 

What are Scripts and what function do they perform???

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4475260 firstdivision
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You should ask for your money back.  I mean, you pay your monthly service fee.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:33 | 4475264 Byte Me
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1) Try a diff browser.

2) Block the ads (sorry, Durdens..)

(ed) 3) Better yet - use a Linux distro with 1) and 2)..

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:17 | 4475546 earnyermoney
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ZH is ABC so no need to feel guilty blocking the ads

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:07 | 4475826 Byte Me
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I was just being (uncharacteristically) ... polite.

Good manners never hurt anyone.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 04:54 | 4476126 Urban Redneck
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Surf ZH with ****** (and then forget you ever did)...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:01 | 4476291 fuu
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Oh STFU with that bullshit.

http://gross-law.com/dalrymple.pdf

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:30 | 4475292 mayhem_korner
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It only crashes for whiners.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:37 | 4475327 pods
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My Z10 runs it flawlessly. And you know how shitty those blackberries are.

pods

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:02 | 4475469 frenzic
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Use firefox with the Ghostery add on. It blocks all ads beacons and other crap. It also wipes the supercookies from your system upon exit. You do have to tell it to do so.

Look at the 17 pieces of crap Ghostery blocked on this very page. http://i.imgur.com/VS2waAf.jpg

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:09 | 4475500 Kirk2NCC1701
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1. Get a true IT guru to clean your PC.  Then get a decent AV SW.

2. Avoid Microsoft and Google browsers.  I.e. Get Firefox or Tor.

3. Optional:  Get Ghostery for your browser. Or similar specialized Adware bockers that your AV SW can't/doesn't block.

4. IT Hygiene: Stay away from porn sites, which are full of IT viruses, worms, etc.  Else get a cheap laptop/PC for that kind of stuff, and keep your primary PC for serious stuff only.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:40 | 4475679 logicalman
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A Raspberry Pi dedicated to just surfing the web works quite well.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:11 | 4475508 MeMongo
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Check out CNN their really accurate most of the time

Sarc/

Boner!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:21 | 4476419 superflex
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Lay off the porn sites.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:18 | 4475206 Kaiser Sousa
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fucking morons...

Greekafaction beckons thee....

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:20 | 4475217 fx
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what a crap! they slashed imports becuase they have no money to pay for them! GL with these shale gas projects they may or may not pay off, but they won't come online before 2016 at the earliest. And btw. Medwedew announced that russia was to honor the contract with the lowered gas prices despite the chaos in kiev. And, mind you the 'eveil' "russian boy' yanukovich had fought with russia and lowered gas imports. A poor story full of bs and contradictions.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:37 | 4475328 gmrpeabody
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Somebody else touched on all these same points before you...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:20 | 4475219 Urban Redneck
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GDP is more accurately measured in BTUs than anu fiat currency.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:35 | 4475265 LawsofPhysics
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Yes.  Let Russia keep those calories for their businesses/industry.

"winning".

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:15 | 4475535 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's a good start.  But how are you gonna cover (a) efficient use of energy vs. wasteful use, and (b) population size?

I'd also normalize, i.e. use energy/person as a comparative indicator.  You could even figure it out by ZIP, by industry, etc.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:39 | 4475670 Urban Redneck
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A full and accurate equation would be uglier the than the econ 101 model, but I think the first order variables would need to be Government, Consumer, Commercial, and Industrial since they have extremely different usage and efficiency models and "may" be independent of population- 10,000 useless eaters in Chicago net produce less economically while perhaps consuming the same BTUs as an old Eastman Kodak plant that might have employed 1,000 people and relied on antiquated generation technology.

I guess we need to fix basic edumacation before dealing with the pseudo sciences.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:21 | 4475231 PHantomofthemarkets
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Too much wodka

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:24 | 4475247 pragmatic hobo
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... or, it may have to do with warmer than usual winter in that region which reduced demand for natural gas ...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:46 | 4475375 CrashisOptimistic
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FYI Ukraine electricity is 44% generated by nat gas fired power plants, and the sum of that generation is less than domestic consumption.  The remainder comes from Russia.

So they can't wait for winter.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:24 | 4475249 Bosch
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Whatever good for them, at least there is one group of people left on the planet with some damn balls. 

 

But hey the new Soviet-Lite & Putin are awesome and they should just feel privilged to live under his reign right guys? 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:43 | 4475355 gmrpeabody
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+1

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:23 | 4475965 Herd Redirectio...
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Ever heard of the Kievan Rus'?

Check your history books.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:25 | 4475253 Stoploss
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LOL!!! The sheer stupidity of Barry's policies, and the ill effects, will linger for decades. It is important at this point to ensure the children of these psychopath's do not end up where their parents are now.  

Bill auction time.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:36 | 4475255 LawsofPhysics
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Anyone else thinking of the scene from Blazing Saddles where the sheriff takes himself hostage?

Yeah, let Russia keep that resource or sell it to their own businesses and industry for a cheaper rate.

"winning".

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:41 | 4475348 gmrpeabody
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I'll shoot..., I mean it!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:03 | 4475483 ghengis86
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Nobody move or the nigger gets it!

-

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4475256 blueRidgeBoy
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clearly an American provocation

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4475266 RobM1981
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I'm glad that our brilliant leader - that master of RealPolitik and Strategy - Barack Obama has invested so much time and effort into building up US Natural Gas capacity, knowing that to have a large pool of exportable energy gives you enormous political and strategic leverage.  He will now demonstrate his mastery of political maneuvering by offering the EU cheap and plentiful US NatGas, courtesy of fracking...

 

....wait, what's that you say?  Once again Wrongway Peachfuzz has shown himself to be a complete incompetent on the world stage, pissing away the opportunity to peacefully project US economic and political will?

 

Never mind.  My bad.  I thought we had a leader smarter than, say, Jethro Bodine. 

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