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Visualizing The De-Unionization Of Auto Workers

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In 1999, 86% of all vehicles made in the US were produced by a United Auto Workers (UAW) worker. Today that share stands at a dismal 54% as Bloomberg reports UAW workers assembled 5.91 million of the 10.9 million cars and trucks made in the US last year. The UAW's recent failure to organize employees at an assembly plant in Tennessee (operated by VW) underscores how more and more cars from overseas automakers are built here. Membership of the UAW has fallen a stunning 75% since 1979.

 

 

Source: Bloomberg

 

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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:10 | 4474707 negative rates
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Imagine what the graph would look like without those 2 bailouts, one in the eighties, and another one in 2008. Cliffonomics anyone?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:13 | 4474717 GetZeeGold
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Game Over Man, GAME OVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:17 | 4474736 jbvtme
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can't tell if this news is good or bad...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:23 | 4474752 knukles
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If Bitcoin had been properly unionized by the UAW it never would have shut down.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:24 | 4474757 Richard Chesler
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No need for unions now that all thugs have moved to gov.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:28 | 4474769 smithcreek
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The auto unions should have adapted 40 years ago and viewed labor and high quality employees as their product.  They should have made sure they offered the best trained most highly motivated product to companies willing to pay a premium for the best.  Instead they protected the worst employees and actively sought to sabatoge their employers.  Stupid fucking move on their part.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:34 | 4474797 Spastica Rex
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Job #1 for labor should be to compete to offer itself at the lowest possible cost to capital.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:38 | 4474814 Uncle Remus
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Hmm, I would have thought best ROI for capital, which is not the same as lowest cost.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:46 | 4474837 kaiserhoff
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If only public employee unions could "suffer" the same fate.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:38 | 4475007 Beam Me Up Scotty
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" Instead they protected the worst employees and actively sought to sabatoge their employers"

Slow down!!!!  You are making me look bad!!!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:01 | 4474890 Spastica Rex
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Hmm, maybe you're right. Perhaps the Chinese not only offer labor at a lower cost to Apple, perhaps they also build better iPhones than Americans can - perhaps because they have smaller fingers, or because they are better educated. If Americans could become better educated, I bet they could build iPhones at twice the cost, but at three times the quality, and they would still sell like hotcakes.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:05 | 4475817 akarc
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Interesting maybe?

We should note that Apple pays full US corporate income tax on the profits it makes from sales in the US. They don’t try to offshore any of those profits at all. However, Apple is set up rather cleverly with regard to profits it makes in the rest of the world. The details are boring but it does mean that they have a tax rate of around 2% on the profits they make everywhere except in the US. If they were to bring this into the US it would have to pay the US corporate income tax of 35% minus the 2% already paid: which is why they don’t do it.

 

The important thing about assembling iPhones in the US would be that this method of reducing the tax bill simply would not be available. It is reliant upon the idea that Apple is manufacturing in China and then selling in Germany, France, the UK. If it were manufacturing in the US it simply could not protect those foreign profits in the same manner. All of the company’s profits would be subject to that US corporate income tax rate of 35% (minus the usual allowances for R&D and so on). Thus reshoring or onshoring of production of the iPhone would lead to all of Apple’s foreign profits, currently taxed at 2%, to be being taxed at 35% (ignoring any US based tax breaks they might get).

https://sites.google.com/a/menloathertonhs.com/senigaglia/economics/week...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:41 | 4476122 Spastica Rex
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It is interesting.

Draconian US tax policy aside, would Americans live in dormitories and assemble iPhones at 3:00 in the morning for current Chinese wages, or even something remotely close to Chinese wages, if they were given the opportunity? If not, Draconian US tax policy aside, how would this affect Apple's profits?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:15 | 4476358 akarc
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Same article addresses, in the larger scheme of things, that taxes not labor is a much larger expense. I was curious as I read somewhere ages ago that Apple could affors the labor cost here with only a small hit to profit margin? Americans, today anyway, would not stand for Chinese working conditions. Although do support them through their purchases. I would not bet on what Americans would do in the future based on how many times I have heard peoplw say, "I would never................" and then do.  Though I suspect Americans would resort to shooting and looting first. Then after that failed, begging.   

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:38 | 4475010 Kayman
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Labor, unionized or not, hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell when the Fed controls the price of capital. 

Union leaders cannot grasp the concept that cheap money (screwing savers) is one of the main factors why they cannot compete.

The replacement of labor for capital (assets) accelerates while the Fed has its thumb on the scale.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:07 | 4475136 MeBizarro
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Exactly.  Capital shouldn't offer any retirement savings/benefits or other things like worker's comp like in China where neither exists at most private enterprises and is really a benefit in name only in SOE.  It is the responsibility of the individual entirely to save for their retirment and if they injured/sick they should be fired/laid off and replaced with a productive worker. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:57 | 4475784 akarc
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sarc countered with sarc, way cool

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:01 | 4475106 Nick Jihad
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You have no fucking clue how looting works, and you'd make a terrible community organizer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:55 | 4475773 akarc
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Craftsmanship was a major historical component of unions. It should still be. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:31 | 4474765 RSloane
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One of the first things GM did with bailout funds was to build a new Research and Development lab in China. It was beyond a hypocritical travesty that GM was allowed to take one penny of their resources outside the US. While UAW workers were scrambling for new jobs at Wal Mart in the US, GM was busy increasing their investments in manufacturing plants outside the US. How was that ever allowed?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:34 | 4474794 negative rates
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It was very easily done by poor law making. The real travisty is the at least one weak link in the designer chain that reduces efficiency with the cost aimed at the consumer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:47 | 4474846 gafgroocK
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Flip the Graph over and it becomes the plot of the RISE of the Govt. Unions...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:06 | 4475129 rejected
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Yes, Nobody seems to have a problem with 'public' unions...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:41 | 4476128 STP
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I too find it amazing.  Especially here in Public Union land, the state of Kalifornia.  The amount of power, money and influence, that even the friggin' teachers has, as an example, is unbelievable!   They are most generous with the pay and money, because it's SOMEBODY ELSE'S money!  AKA that miserable trodden and vanishing species, the Taxpayer!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:22 | 4475164 MeBizarro
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I'm baffled.  People say we should follow 'capitalism' on here and this would have occurred one way or another with or withouth the GM bailout.  GM should move R&D assets to a premier growth market that are better suited and positioned for the market.  If they also have to be alot cheaper than the US, all the better.

Hell if I was the CEO at GM, I would liquidate as much as I possibly could in the US and move production and development to cheaper market as much as I could as long as it wouldn't impact my market share in the US too much.  That is how capitalism works.   You lower cost of production, maximize top line revenues, and push margins as much as you can. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:51 | 4475749 akarc
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Henry Ford practiced responsible capitalism by paying his workers decent wages at the turn of the century.  Always the entrepreneur, Ford made sure this decision benefited his business as well.  The high wages turned his workers into Ford consumers, fostered deep loyalty amongst the laborers, and created a positive image of himself in the media.  Not to mention that Henry Ford had to make this choice to avoid turnover in his factory, which was incredibly high due to the monotony of the newly developed "division of labor" method of car production.  Of course, Adam Smith explained the benefits of division of labor a full 125 years before Henry Ford revolutionized American car production.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4KrIMZpwCY
Compare Ford's treatment of his workers to Apple's treatment of it's workers at the IPad factory.  Do you think these factory conditions could lead to any problems for the company in the future?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/nightline-apple-supplier-foxconn_n_1293393.html

https://sites.google.com/a/menloathertonhs.com/senigaglia/economics/week...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:59 | 4476273 Buck Johnson
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And you know the reason for the bailouts.  If those car companies would have went under it would have cascaded like dominoes into the supply chain who would have went bankrupt from bills not being paid and their customers being mostly with said car companies.  And add to the fact that the govt. pension guarantee fund couldn't support the millions that would have been thrown on their books within months.  Also here's something to consider, why is the foreign companies coming to the US to build cars?  It's because it's to expensive to pay people in Europe and in Japan anymore so they are going to the new third world being made with 300 million people.

 

The good ole US of A.

 

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:11 | 4474709 kenezen
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Have you noticed that when the Union owned GM, much of it's mfg. went immediately overseas or just south to Mexico where they're busily building new plants? Wow! I'll bet their domestic people feel good about that!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:14 | 4474725 nightshiftsucks
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Ross Perot was right,I'm getting hard hearing that sucking sound.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:21 | 4474747 LawsofPhysics
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Fucking bailouts have taken us way beyond any "sucking" sound to the mother of all black hole liquidity traps...

hedge accordingly.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:47 | 4474844 max2205
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Of 9 cars bought....zero from the big 3....starve the beast

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:59 | 4474881 drendebe10
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They the car makers who took obama feebies make nothing i want to own or drive. Just like the TBTF corript crook banks, those car makers should've been alloeed to go tits up but of course the arrogant narcissistic lyong illegal alien muslim sociopath in chief had to stick its despicable  kenyan nose into it to pay back his corrupt debts to his equally corrupt sociopayhic union and banker cronies. Aint this a grand country or what.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:39 | 4475674 akarc
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I upped ya. NOt because your post was worth a damn. Well maybe it was. I got a laugh out of the ability of those who were able to brainwash you. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:37 | 4475663 akarc
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Yepper and who is it that benefitted most from the bailouts. Oh yeah, it was the poor working slob right>

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:13 | 4474714 Save_America1st
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What's "dismal" about it?  Most unions should be wiped out at this point.  Nothing but a bunch of money grubbing criminal socialist assholes extorting money from the employees so they can become fat-cat criminals just like the politician scum they associate with.  Dirt-bags all of them.  All unions should be abolished, especially any government unions.  What a fucking wracket that is...politicians and union bosses laundering money to themselves via criminal extortion, while using threats against the tax payers to withold vital services if they don't get thier way. 

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:31 | 4474780 drendebe10
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U aint justa sh-ttin

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:04 | 4474902 Bangin7GramRocks
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Gubmint gubmint gubmint socialism thugs gubmint socialism gubmint gubmint. You fuckers are like one of those dolls with the pull string! Spouting off the words pre-programmed in your feeble little brains. Not defending unions, but I hope you are happy when the 99% makes $30,000 or less. You can all be so proud of yourselves for helping to make corporations and rich assholes even richer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:46 | 4475036 Kayman
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Bangin7GramRocks

Let me "splane" it to ya.  Big government, big corporations, big banks and big unions, especially big government unions are leeches that are drawing the last blood out of this country.

If that was not true you would have a thriving private sector midde class.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:09 | 4475148 Superdude
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And what do you base this fantasy of a thriving middle class on? Maybe 100 years ago when owners valued and appreciated the labor provided by workers, but now, not a chance. All the ownership class does is try to get the cheapest labor in the place with the lowest taxes. Unions have faults, for sure, but being divided in times such as the one we are now in will result in a consolidation of power.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:16 | 4475917 akarc
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Yepper.  

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:35 | 4475651 akarc
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One to many rocks maybe. Let me slpane it to ya repeating a previous comment. Henry Ford doubled his workers wages helping to facilitate the industrial revolution and the growth of the middle class.  The FUCKING FACT that blows away the disquised corporate trolls.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:19 | 4476405 Superdude
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Exactly, instead of looking for ways to promote Ford's ideas, we seek the biggest piece of pie for ourselves. Law of nature that we cannot avoid: everything has a limit. Choose to ignore this basic rule if you wish to, but do so at your own peril. Unless that is you have seen neanderthal s roaming around as of late.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:49 | 4475051 Crtrvlt
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 "All unions should be abolished" how free market of you.  if a private union wants to organize then so be it.  it takes 2 to tango. aboloshing it is fascism

 

"especially any government unions. " agree 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:31 | 4475633 akarc
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 " it takes 2 to tango. aboloshing it is fascism"

thank you

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:29 | 4475623 akarc
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Eleminating government and/or unions is not the answer. Adressing the corruption is the answer as it is the plauge that is killing us. But since many of us of us are corrupt I suspect the downward slide will only accelerate.

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:15 | 4474715 Smegley Wanxalot
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Always hated the UAW but I thought maybe after collapse in 2008/9 they could have turned over a new leaf.  Then a bunch of Chrysler UAW members got busted getting drunk and high at lunch before returning to work, and the UAW came running to their defense.

So fuck U, AW.  Go rot in fucking hell if you dont have common sense.

 

Oh yeah, and Bob King, UAW president, sure as hell does not look like the type of guy you'd entrust to look after your kids for 5 minutes.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:33 | 4474790 drendebe10
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2nd verse, same as yhe 1st. U aint justa sh-ttin.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:13 | 4474716 nightshiftsucks
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cry me a fucking river UAW

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:14 | 4474721 buzzsaw99
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top talent. physical specimens all. lulz

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:20 | 4474743 onewayticket2
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the union benefits....the union.  not the worker. dont kid yourselves....central planners are never smarter than the market system.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:20 | 4474744 LawsofPhysics
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Having completely destroyed unions in the private sector, any fucking chance the same can happen to government unions?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:26 | 4474761 Bosch
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Sure there is a chance, we need to ask the Ukrainians for some advice first.  We're out of practice. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:27 | 4474766 Uncle Remus
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."Somewhere, over the rainbow..."

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:27 | 4474767 Urban Redneck
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Death cures cancer.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:59 | 4474884 Mike in GA
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And we Race for the Cure.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:20 | 4474745 search
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Shite, seeing the world value low cost factors of imput as a strategic advantage. Yaeah, we're just dumb, we don't see how the cost advantage is amortised over the skins of our children. Lets not cost that pollution to your balance sheet when you toll manufacture. Facebook forever, or as long as we don't look. God's work Zuckerberg, i'm just jealous.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:24 | 4474748 Bosch
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Right here in my pocket, the world's smallest violin.  Here let me play a few tunes.  

I'm 32, those assholes and every other union have been promising themselves long before we could even vote on it that my generation would pay for the free shit they wanted. So get fucked communist dickbags. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:22 | 4474749 konputa
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I've thought for years that these unions have been intrumental in the offshoring of so many manufacturing jobs. They've been key to driving up unit cost which became the business case that built itself for NAFTA, etc. I'm sure there are a number of union workers stateside that can not afford dues, hence the drop in membership.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:22 | 4474750 firstdivision
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Unions have outlived their usefulness.  There was a time when they were needed, but then they turned into a parasitic entity and sucks out all the funds of its memebers.  I remember in college I worked a summer in a deli section of a grocery store, and I was forced into joining the union in order to be employed at the store.  The asshole union was taking nearly half my paycheck for "fees".  I hope the cocksucker union head choked on a bone in the lobster dinner I paid for.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:08 | 4475142 Nick Jihad
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The unions' biggest victory, is the way they are able to confine the debate to unions in general - the specific provisions of the Wagner Act (from the 1930's) never seem to be up for debate.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:27 | 4474755 Seasmoke
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Call me crazy.....but I Don't give a fuck about the UAW thugs....I just don't buy their shitty cars and until Obama shovels them boatloads of money they don't really matter to me

 

It's the public taker unions in NJ I can't fucking stand....now I have to read about how many of these suckers are making $100,000 in retirement pensions and most are cops who wrote tickets in quiet little towns.....these fucks are the ones who make my property taxes the highest in the country and I'm suck of it.  

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:27 | 4474768 LawsofPhysics
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Exactly, at least the private unions gave you a tangible product of real value.

Government unions give you unsustainable bureaucracy and overpaid paper-pushers...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:31 | 4474782 Uncle Remus
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Government unions give you unsustainable bureaucracy and overpaid paper-pushers...

Governments give you unsustainable bureaucracy and overpaid paper-pushers. Unions just institutionalize it.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:55 | 4474871 g speed
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kind of like auto insurance and mortgage insurance and manditory vaccinations etc etc etc -----  It's all gov't shit at the point of a gun---you've been sheared-- time to grow fangs and bite the hand ---just saying.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:10 | 4475158 Nick Jihad
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I was wondering when the FBI agents would show up.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:31 | 4474781 negative rates
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That's easy, just become an outlaw and say FU to the law.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:34 | 4475311 akarc
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To many freaking cameras allowed by to many freaking Americans with no balls who beg to be protected against the bogeyman outlaws

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:28 | 4474770 dobermangang
Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:11 | 4474916 RSloane
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Dear God...........that's disgusting. Glad he takes some time off from eating to answer the phone once in awhile.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:25 | 4475600 akarc
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Read the article. No exuse for this slob. Also no exuse for your use of the word "typical".

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:28 | 4474771 toady
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For me, joining a union was always about the money. Join the union, double your hourly rate, and then some.

That was decades ago. If management is willing to pay, fuck the union. But if you can still double your hourly by joining, your retarded not too!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:12 | 4475168 Nick Jihad
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What about if you can negotiate a deal where the new guys get hired in at half your rate?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:40 | 4475341 toady
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I'm not really the negotiating type. Besides, the new guys DO get hired at half, or less the union rate. If they managed to show up for two or three months, and didn't piss the boss off, they'd get a chance to join.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:30 | 4475290 akarc
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I joined the Union as an apprentice. I could learn my trade. I could get insurance. I could get a decent wage. And what I really appreciated in hindsight after having to go non union, SAFE fucking working conditions. THe first freaking non union job I walked on I thought my God, people get killed here.  

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:29 | 4474774 somecallmetimmah
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"Membership of the UAW has fallen a stunning 75% since 1979."

Hmmm...What percentage of U.S. auto worker jobs were in Detroit before the UAW slit that city's throat?

~75%?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:14 | 4475180 akarc
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What percentage of all jobs were in the US before the Corporate government slit Americas throats by shipping jobs overseas. How  many Americans committed economic suicide by purchasing shit they use to make.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:33 | 4474788 search
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Pay me 19 billion for my real opinion? No fuckin way, reality aint worth shit, but some app? If it gives me control, sure.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:35 | 4474796 Harry Dong
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Robots for the win.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:10 | 4475151 akarc
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And Unions will be blamed because they won't work as cheap as robots.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:38 | 4474816 NDXTrader
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That chart is the inverse of the quality of car you get from GM or Ford in the same timespan. Coincidence?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:43 | 4474831 youngman
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I know a lot of people that used to be in a union....but the company they worked for went out of business....or moved..they could not compete in the world markets with the cost of the unions...unions have destroyed more jobs than any recession...

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:09 | 4475146 akarc
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Off shoring jobs, or should I say exporting slavery, and Americans buying the crap the slaves make has destroyed jobs and caused recession.

Fixed it for ya.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:15 | 4475190 Nick Jihad
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People overseas have the same right to earn a living as anyone else, and if I wish to purchase their products, no union thug has any right to interfere.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4475251 akarc
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By that reasoning they have all the rights accorded us by the US constitution. So if we are going to offshore jobs, why are we choosing countries that have history's of abusing human rights?  All have a right to interfere with the exportation of slavery by shipping jobs to our enemies. For those on this site who are so anti communism and socialism how does your actions i.e supporting the governments you despise while at the same time bad mouthing them not exhibit hypocrisy?

 

" union thug has any right to interfere."

And corporate/government thugs do have the right to interfere? Supplement you emotional knee jerk reaction based on how you hyave been programmed with historical facts. Or not, "Argue for your illusion and it is yours"-Richard Bach

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:48 | 4474847 drendebe10
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Union workers are not the problem. Its the union bosses and bureaucratic infrastructure which just like the gummint has been corrupted by self serving, power hungry sociopaths. Unin dues workers are just like taxpayers forking over their hard earned money to corrupt "leaders" only interested in power and an overprivileged lifestyle, just like yhe arrogant narcissistic pathological lying illegal alien kenyan sociopath squatting @ 1600 pennave. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:54 | 4474865 abc123
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sorry, can't go with you on that one.

Union people are anti-productive.  Their eye is on their job security first and innovation and productivity as a distant, DISTANT 2nd/3rd place. 

Don't get me started on cry-baby entitlement thinking.  Worse than welfare because a union guy has a "turf" he can claim as his own.  The welfare recipient has no leverage. 

Auto unions are the worst of that ilk. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:05 | 4474904 g speed
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sorry--can't go with that one--unions are for collective barganing --- have nothing to do with anti productivity--correlation is not causality. As most these days you fail to recognize top down corruption.  Maybe thats the thinking you ought to get started on--just saying. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:38 | 4475008 akarc
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Amen! CORRUPTION is the key word. The blowback of not addressing it impacts us all. Start at the top where the big corruption lives and work your way down.

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:01 | 4475100 akarc
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 "Worse than welfare because a union guy has a "turf" he can claim as his own"

 

Until and when the corparate serfs i.e. government decides  to crush them. Including but not limited to using federal troops if need be.  Try a little history with your morning coffee.

Added bonus mind exercise. Ask yourself why you don't fund human body pats on a regular basis in your hamburger now days. Unless of course your part of the 1% that doesn't know what a hamburger is.

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:50 | 4474854 drendebe10
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On 2nd thought, unions do enable sloth workers. Especially gummint union Worthless sloth workers. So fukem all.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:54 | 4474868 Printfaster
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This is what happens when government designs all the cars through EPA regulation.  The cars all look alike.

In the end, we will all drive Trabant's, or in the case of Cuba, ride Camels to our government jobs and governnment healthcare.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:06 | 4474908 Andre
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At least it's hard to Breitbart a horse.

Long buggy whips?

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:17 | 4474931 22winmag
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You can't yank an ATM machine out of the ground with a Trabant, or a KIA, or any of these plastic subcompacts they're pumping out.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 09:58 | 4474878 I am a Man I am...
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Meanwhile, in the middle of subprime market crash, KIA built a huge manufacturing facility in Georgia near the Georgia Alabama line off of 85.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:21 | 4474951 22winmag
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Next up... "nationalizing" private pensions and retirement plans.

 

Oh... and death to the TEACHERS UNIONS!

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:17 | 4474989 akarc
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 "Membership of the UAW has fallen a stunning 75% since 1979."

Proof that unions were the reason for offshoring of jobs and 2008 econoomic crash.

Now workers want an increase iin minimum wage. Well screw them.

After all Henry Ford doubled his workers wages, started an industrial revolution and created the middle class. But then what does history or treating people like people have to do anything. After all Henry Ford was a socialist.

I'll not add sarc- allow those who will find it.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:35 | 4475000 Caveman93
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UAW has nothing left to offer for anymore and cannot compete with rats. You can make more money by not being in the union because the unions (private...not public) have made all the consessions they can. Game over.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:41 | 4475017 moneybots
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"Today that share stands at a dismal 54% as Bloomberg reports UAW workers assembled 5.91 million of the 10.9 million cars and trucks made in the US last year"

Auto workers assembled 10.9 million cars in the U.S. last year.  100% of the share.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:43 | 4475025 kw2012
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Did you see the UK article that said the workers that voted No to unionization may be too stupid for VW to open another manufacturing plant in the US. Hahahahaha the stupidity of Euro Trash is amazing.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 10:59 | 4475078 all-priced-in
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The cars "made in America" are really "not made in America" -- a better way to say it is they are "assembled in America"

Many component parts - from simple nuts and bolts to complex wiring harnesses - many of which are very labor intensive - are imported from other low wage countries.

The best kept secret at the UAW is -

The UAW needs cheap Chinese (Vietnamese and several others) labor just as much as Ford and GM. Without this cheap labor they (the UAW) could not survive.

The cost of a car is the sum total of everything that goes into it - and without the benefit of the cheap foreign labor  NO WAY in hell the UAW plants could afford to pay their members as much as they do. I am pretty sure the leadership at the UAW has figured this out (maybe not on their own - but some consultant has told them).

 

   

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:19 | 4475203 MeBizarro
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Stupidity on here regarding labor dynamics and the tradeoff between labor and capital never ceases to me.  Private labor unions in the US are belwo 6% (lowest rates since the early 1920s) and haven't been meaningnful campaign contributors or organizers at the national level since the late-90s and they lost NAFTA and yet private labor unions somehow get blamed for was has transpired the past 15 years or so to the American economy.  It is astounding stupid.  

Then again when you add the reasons we are going broke is defense-related spending and elderly transfer payments and I get a million thumbs down. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:39 | 4475335 Comte d'herblay
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It's not the number or per cent of unionized workers that matters now.  It's the AFSCME, Teachers  and GM unions that have repeatedly demonstrated their power to be king makers over the last 20 years.

Where you been?? 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:14 | 4475518 akarc
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As Americans we are all responsible. We seduced ourselves into corruption when we learned that we to could cheat and get away with it. We do not have a corruption problem, we have an accountability problem. Until we have equal justice under the law wherein it is a reality and not lipservice nothing will change. If we wait until the crooks implement it, it will never occur. THat means it is on us. But we won't do it. At least that is what my own experience has shown.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:47 | 4475720 MeBizarro
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Public unions are a completely different beast than private labor unions.  I'm a pro-labor guy on the private side because ottherwise there is no real check on cpaital. 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:16 | 4475485 akarc
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Stupidity on here regarding the history of labor unions. How and why they came into being in the first place. And the government/corporate reasons for destroying them.  Never ceases to amaze me that a site full of people who holler socialist scum bags and communist conspirators can justify the offshoring of jobs to socialist and communist countries who operate slave labor factories where many of the workers are used up by age 40.

While at the same time hollering "I have my rights" totally ignoring the rights of others.  Which of course is the corprate dream, divide and conquer and the concept of brotherhood (hmmm me thinks thats in a song somewhere, something about from sea to shining sea) dies. I got mine mother fucker you get yours.

Many on here blame the cost of labor yet it is rare to see one break down the cost of corporate salaries, bonuses and congressisonal payoffs. Those are totally o.k. the cost of doing business. And apparently the cost of importing American technology along  with the jobs is like totally o.k. too. They call it Capitalism. Which of course is why we paid Brazillian cotton farmers not to plant cotton. That was my money and your money. Keeping that money at home to pay union workers would have been just plain stup-id I suppose.

And of course neglect the fact that corparate and federal thugs went to great lengths including murder to try and stop the unions. Hmmm wonder why that is never discussed here?

But then scrolling down I see that some are to young, dumb and full of cum to know of the days when people fought for the rights they have today, including but not limited to work on a jobsite where you are treated worse than a farm worker.  Oh but hell, them dam farmworkers are the cause of our economic shipwreck too. Freaking immigrants and Unions workers the bane of the country.

Considering this is Zero Hedge I can not believe so many of these posters are willingly ignorant and therfor must assume they are paid shills to troll the comments section and promote the corporate agenda.

Cause devisiveness among the workers, the races, the religions, gender so that they will devolve into arguments of hatred and never be able to band together in such a manner as our revolutionary forefathers and stop that corruptioin that has sucked us all in to the extent that by mouth we proclaim it's evils yet by actions we support it!     

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 12:51 | 4475735 MeBizarro
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Considering this is Zero Hedge I can not believe so many of these posters are willingly ignorant and therfor must assume they are paid shills to troll the comments section and promote the corporate agenda.

Sadly there is a huge amount of peckerwood white trash on this site that is glaringly ignorant.  I grew up in that environment in central PA.  There are some good things about growing up in that type of community but a lot of other negative shit (xenophobia, ignorance, hatred) that comes with it too.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:21 | 4475233 Nick Jihad
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It stands to reason - who wants wants to buy a product made by people who cannot be fired? And especially a product that costs so much, that most buyers finance the purchase.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 13:41 | 4476129 Stuck on Zero
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Unions are insane and suicidal.  They picket, strike, demand higher wages, slam management, and generally do everything in their power to destroy their employers in the marketplace.  If they weren't suicidal they would picket, slam management, and bad-mouth, the non-union employers.

 

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:42 | 4476525 monad
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Tue, 02/25/2014 - 14:42 | 4476526 monad
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fwiw management has been infiltrating, taking over and corrupting unions since they first got traction. Since 2007 the suits I've worked with have demonstrated much worse people skills than before Klinton, often degrading themselves. Which makes it that much more fun to charge moar... 

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