This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Obama Asks Court To Make NSA Database Even Bigger
When a hypertotalitarian banana republic takes another turn for the gigasurreal, even Elon Musk is speechless.
In the most glaring example of how farcical idiocy has become the new normal, we will remind readers (especially those who do not follow us on twitter), of the following blurb from last night:
Obama Weighs Four Options for Revamping NSA Surveillance - WSJ. Will pick the fifth one that makes it even bigger
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) February 26, 2014
Sure enough, this attempt at comedy has just failed once more, as less than 24 hours later, it describes an increasingly surreal reality. Just out from the WSJ:
The Obama administration has asked a special court for approval to hold onto National Security Agency phone records for a longer period–an unintended consequence of lawsuits seeking to stop the phone-surveillance program.
The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the Justice Department was considering such a move, which would end up expanding the controversial phone records database by not deleting older call records.
Under the current system, the database is purged of phone records more than five years old. The Justice Department, in a filing made public Wednesday, said it needs to hold onto the older records as evidence in lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and others.
Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it.
The gruesome irony of course is that after his so heartfelt, if completely scripted and rehearsed, appearance before the US public one month ago, when Obama promised he would do everything in his power to reform the NSA, including the ending of the Section 215 metadata collection, and the retenion of bulk phone records, the president certainly kept his promise. Just not quite in the way that everyone had assumed.
»
- 65997 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
Virtual currency users beware...
Impeach this moron already.
...when Obama promised he would do everything in his power to...
we already know how that works: screw the sheeple
Although Himmler is baking on the 9th circle of the inferno, this has to warm his heart.
Here is a link for your NSA twats:
www.kingoftherepublic.com.
We're gonna take you all down, one by one.
Il Duce...., he even looks the part.
God damnit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llgY3VBwTAo
I figured out who hates our freedom.
And it's not OBL or any jihadists. Those guys hate us for our hellfires. End Obozo.
Once again a fucking lying POS!
"Soetoro, party of four, on tee on the back nine..."
F.U. Valerie
"Special Court".......how convenient.
Saaay, this Obama fellow sure seems to be on some sort of egomaniacal power trip doesn't he?
at this point he doesn't even need to make his own evil plots... he can just read ZH and read everyone's satirical nightmare scenarios
It's like the Tylers are psycho or something. Er, I mean psychic. BO is the psycho one.
So if the Tylers are psychic, what are the Powerball numbers for this weekend? Do some good for a peon out here. I promise I'll spend all the money on farmland, gold, and some really bitchin' 50BMGs. It's what I'd do anyhow.
We interrupt your regularly scheduled PROGRAMMING for this special report from the White House Choom Room:
(teleprompter): Naaaahh, just kidding!
The REAL "gruesome irony" of course is...
Now, from the Libs and the MSM, who eviscerated Bush...
(And I hate Bush!)
For doing only a fraction of what this dictator is now doing.
The silence is deafening...
Are you kidding? They're still debating whether he is a god or just the most exceptional human being ever born and should be worshiped anyway.
So this is what its like when "Hope" turns to despair and all one has left is pocket "Change".
"You keep the Hope, I'll keep the Change"
Brought to you by Obummer (the latest in a long line of CIA puppet presidents).
You don't really believe that do you? I know plenty of people that hated Bush, saw him as a traitor. All of these people now see Obama as the same... sure they gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, then after a year or two we were all fed up.
So the red team hates this guy, and now most of the blue team too- but he won re-election because the other candidate was even worse. Sorta like Bush v Kerry in '04.
The fact is that there has never been a better time to revolt. The majority of Americans know Congress and the Puppet are frauds, and more importantly- the cops/military will be on our side.
Don't know who would downvote you here...
There seem to be many supporters of corporate facism, global dominance, and the plan to depopulate Earth by war, violence, and pestilence, that have made their way on to this site, which (at one time) was populated by those of sounder minds and the dream of positive outcomes for humanity.
The 'opposition' in '08 (the selected one, Mitt Romney) had established the beta-test healthcare plan in MA. (which was referred to as 'RomneyCare'). Obama even referred to it as the 'BLUEPRINT' for 'Obamacare'. Those BUSHITES forget this FACT (along with many others), regarding this pivotal selection (not 'election', as this implies that the People actually HAVE A CHOICE in the matter... the TWO corporate facist political orginizations known as the RNC and the DNC have long ago hikacked the election process, and trot up thier so-called 'contenders' who agree on everything of importance, like militarization of the police, NSA spying, the FEDERAL RESERVE status, the MIC funding bills, the erosion of Constitutional promises, the CHOICE OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEES, and the IRS TAXATION LEGALITY...).
Again, I can't imagine a person who, being aware of these undisputable facts, would downvote your comment.
Thought Experiment:
1. Just substitute "Bush" for "Obama" in some of the headlines and scandals, such as Obamacare website delay, NSA, Bengazi, Fast/Furious.
2. Then ask yourself if the headlines and talking heads would have the same "excuses" for Bush as they do for Obama.
Do you REALLY think the NY Times et al would NOT have called for Bush's resignation on any one, forget about the combination, of those rumors, let alone fact?
If so, then you are hopelessly naive; you are on a team and don't even seem to know it, or admit to it. Worse, you don't realize that the media is an arm of the govmt. At least with Bush, the media hated him in general, so did hollyweird, which is much healthier.
We'll know the outcome of that debate by if they try to get him a 3rd term or "for life".
Dat be rayciss!
You are referring to G Bush the Younger, of course, who pushed and signed the USAPATRIOT, established the TSA, put all kinds of governmental agencies under the umbrella of the DHS (INCLUDING the United States Coast Guard, for God's sake!) started up Guantanamo, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, signed legislation the retroactively exonerated the telecoms from gathering and passing information to the NSA for their database, had a vice-president who came out in support of waterboarding and said that 'defecits don't matter', whose father spoke famously on September 11, 1991, of the fact that 'WE' will achieve the New World Order, and so many other things that cannot be detailed here (in order that the groundwork BUSH LAID would allow his predecessor, SOETORO, to continue and GROW this current facist totalitarian superstate...
WHAT did you say, again? I missed your point COMLETELY.
Oh, I almost forgot about the FIRST bankster bailout ($700 Billion). THAT was Bushie (your alleged hero), as well...
Either your memory is jaded by partisan politics, or you weren't alive and paying attention back in the years 2000-2009. i don't THINK you're 5 years old, however...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZeRwuN68VQ
Great wise-one once said: "They do not lie, if one understands that everything they say is a lie."
Another great and wise-one said: “They do not lie, if their heads lie in a basket.”
Yet another great one. "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie, you believe it"
A twisted logic argument like yours was once used in a Star Trek episode (not all the other fake ones, the ORIGINAL one, back in the 1960's).
The enterprise was hijacked by a cyborg programmed by one Harry Mudd. Mudd is actually enslaved by them...
The finishing blow comes when Mudd and Kirk pose Norman the Liar paradox, where Mudd claims he is lying and Kirk claims everything Mudd says is a lie. Short circuiting at this imponderable logical contradiction, Norman finally shuts down. Without a controlling leader, the other androids freeze up and stop working. This allows them to be reprogrammed to return to their original task of making the planet habitable. Mudd is officially and indefinitely paroled to the android population, which he finds acceptable until he realizes, to Kirk and his crew's amusement, that not only has the nagging android Stella been reprogrammed not to respond to the command "Shut up!" but there are now at least 500 copies of her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Mudd
Everything I needed to know, I learned on Star Trek. (That's a book, by the way. I used to have a copy, back in the 1970's)
I think my old avatar was more recognizable (the Titanic taking the plunge).
See, it's all those entities protecting your rights who are forcing them to trample them further.
Wait, what...
"Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it."
Her older undies would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to sniff them.
I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN; MS. LEWINSKY.
I have a gun, but I won't use it. Trust me.
'I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND I'M HERE TO HELP.'
Your Social Security number is a private number between you and your government, and will never be used for any other purpose than securing your retirement benefits. (YES, they actually stated this, way back)
NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it (that is, if Congress stands up and says that this is not only illegal, but unConstitutional). Oh, YEAH, they're gonna do THAT won't they? WAIT: Let's ask Chuck Hegel... SEE! It's because of Terrorists, terror, terrorists 9/11, terror attacks, terrorterrorterrorists WMD, Yellowcake Uranium, mobile production facilities, terror, Tea Party terror, terrorist groups, SPLC studies, and 'actionable information'. WELL, I'm GLAD CONGRESS finally decided to go along with the 'RIGHT' decision regarding NSA powers... (Obama, Hegel, Pelosi, McCain, Hoyer, Boehner, Reid, Yellen, et.al., 2014)
http://itccs.org/2014/02/24/a-stand-down-order-is-issued-to-officers-of-...
thong, dante may have to crank it up to 10 (or maybe even 11) to get this obummer guy the level he deserves.
get me spinal tap on the line.
stat!
Come on! He is only doing because he loves us so. Why we could be his Ni**er.
You can'Smell the Glove' from here.
Better yet, get some rope.
Does anyone with two brain cells passing in the night cortex think they have purged anything?
There will be a purge, just not the one that everyone is clamoring for.
pods
"two brain cells passing in the night" Classic...
Thanks, Pods..., you made my day.
Gold, Guns, Getaway......
F#(& It, nobody lives forever viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!
Frank Sinatra: "Strangers In The Night":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlSbSKNk9f0
Strangers in the night,
exchanging rubbers...
This one is to tight,
I'll try another...
This one is too loose,
I think I lost my juice...
Doo be do be doo, be do be do doo...
Like two ships passing in the night, ...
A purge of those records will only occur if we revolt, organize and physically assault these data centers and destroy them. They are all in violation of our God given rights and we would be just to do so.
OT but not....
http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-red-line/article/2014/2/18/academic...
When do you think this future head of the Justice Dept. will be appointed so we can get some real 'thought control' laws on the books?
I completely understand why 'academics' are often the first to take a bullet when people decide they have had enough.
Unfortunately, you are correct.
Might want to stop going to the mall every day, war is coming.
Not a moron.
HE IS A LYING SACK OF SHIT...........
Why not both?
because he's not a moron. He's a Statist. He has been taught this method as a means to "fundamentally transform America" by breaking it and rebuilding (in His image).
this is intentional, not accidental.
His image? Bullshit. He's a PTB cum-rag and will go the way of the rest of the cum-rags.
When they erect his conciliatory statue on the south side of Chicago I want to be the first of many to piss on it.
Barry sure acts like a cum-rag when he's in Man's Country, north Chicago, with the hairy bears
I'm pretty sure there will be a line to piss on it. Get there early!
It Takes One Courageous Congressman To Start Impeachment
http://larouchepac.com/node/30000
Wait til we get all the airports and highway renamed!!! Sotero Int'l Airfield, Chicago, Illinois.....
Yes, both, which makes him the perfect puppet.
This narcissistic POS fully believes everything that comes out of his mouth.
it's only the truth if you be-lie-ve...
@ Ahmeexnal,
Impeach, Arrest, Tri, Convict & Execute. In that order.
How about giving him a taste of his own drone medicine. ;)
Well, since THE UNITED STATES, CORP. INC is in a mass Defraudimg of The American People by functioning off the Corp version of THE CONSTITUTION not the Organic one.
Sure. I'm game.
Lead into gold already!
He ordered Guillotines, why not let him be the first to try it out?
You ain't justa sh*ttin..... too bad the corrupt idiot B*ttf*ks in congress are too weak, stupid and evil to hold the arrogant pathologic lying illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathy accountable to his oath of office.... the tax paying serfs and peasants always get the dried up hind tit...
Yeah well I hate the lying scum too, but calling him a muslim when he is surrounded by Zionists, many with dual citizenship, giving him all the advice he needs is about as ridiculous as it can get.
This is the third time I've reminded you the cock-sucking son-of-a-bitch is gay. Please add that to your future lists.
So they've failed to uphold their oath as well. Who needs to hold them accountable? Us with "elections"?
If O is impeached, the next puppet will continue with the same policy.
Yeah. That guy's name is Joe Biden. He becomes our glorious leader....may God forbid.
And if something happens to him, then we get the Orange Boner to be shoved up where the sun don't shine...
Neither one is better than the Sodomite in Chief. They are worse.
Can you imagine the Orange Boner dealing with Pukin?
He'd fold like he does with OBAMATM
The Orange Boner, "You want to what? You want to take over Eastern Europe?"
Pukin, "Well it was our Territory..."
The Orange Boner, "Oh..OK. We just can't win anyway."
Is it too late to impeach Bush, both of them.
"Impeach this moron already."...
Impeach President Barrack Insane Obama?
But that's so... so... First Term 2009 pre-Libya, pre-Syria, pre-Ukraine, pre-NDAA, pre-Fast & Furious, pre-IRS scandal, pre-NSA scandal pre-Second Term...
Isn't it?
Needs to be JFK'D
I think there'd probably be more than just one or two shooters. The grassy knolls would be packed shoulder to shoulder.
.
I remember a time when the United States still functioned above a minimal threshold of law and order and impeachment still meant something that mattered. I'm afraid it's now nothing more than nostalgic sentimentality.
While impeachment is an enumerated remedy within the system, it has no effect without a functional system. As it stands, all essential political and government positions have been bought. Even as the charade of elections and the facade of a two-party political system rotate the cast of characters, the positions themselves stay bought.
You will only see an impeachment when it has been a part of the plan all along. Even if [any_current_president] were to administer electrical shocks to a woman in labor and her child as it is born, on live television, during halftime at the Super Bowl, while giving a speech about family values, he or she would not be impeached if it went against the plan.
Additionally, even if someone hasn't yet seen through the two-party veneer, it's still pretty clear that an impeachment would result in replacement with someone functionally equivalent to the impeached.
I can't see that a solution exists within the framework of the current system. Fortunately, the increasing marginal costs of and decreasing marginal returns on societal complexity will eventually force a return to a lower level of complexity.
It might be a good time for people to think about the difference between their country and their government and, if given a choice, which they would choose if they could only save one.
"The NSA database is so big it includes the other you."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter_ego
that sounds like a joke.
maybe it is.
maybe it isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance
Nice summation Stooge. It's correct in that the System is broken and needs to be fixed.
The country is based on the Constitution of the United States of America. If it was still followed instead of being subverted we'd be ok. We're off the tracks now though.
The current system needs to implode, and the corrupted system thrown out.
Then back to the original Constitution.
Then we'd have to impeach Biden.
Then Boner.
Then... ah fuck it just throw everyone out!
Sharpenin' my cold steel...
You don't throw them out. You try them for Treason, convict them, and let the Gullotine exact justice.
Rescind the whole fucking government already!!
Impeaching the moron is not enough. Clinton was impeached and kept right on truckin'. You have to convict as well.
I'd add anyone that's breathing to the list along with the virtual currency users.
I think that the real problem is with the other agency that has been growing like a cancer for decades- yes, I'll say it in a whisper.
It's the......... C.....I......A
And the NSA is being painted as a target. Why now one wonders?
Why is it that our controlled media shines such a light on what has been common knowledge to anyone who knows anything about the NSA.
Why now?
Because knowledge is power (especially in D.C.). All of the NSA coverage (w/ Snowden added in for fun) began after Benghazi. Right before the congressional testimony. The NSA likely had the evidence of all that happened and had congress gone into it further it may have opened up several cans of worms.
Except the other team decided to hit back hard to serve a warning. Saying do not go there. Don't even think about it.
The CIA and it's various offshoots are far more powerful than the NSA, and have been for some time.
This is an internal war.
Don't know enough to talk about what 3 letter group is doing what and to whom, but I will wager that data collection includes politicians, judges, etc. Even bankers. Internal war? Yes. Just a matter of a trigger event for things to real ugly (and fast).
@ Centerline,
It's collapsing all around the Criminals. They're very, very nervous. It's the reason why they're eating their own. Tick toc, tick toc....
Yea but the CIA and NSA are just two tentacles of the same vampire squid. Somewhat like the "Democrats" and "Republicans". It's all run by the Oligarch central comittee. Maybe this is part of the plan to bring the US down, get the two agencies fighting each other.
Actually, its The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate.
Hey Chupa,
If you added something with a "K" and jumbled it up, you make an acronym of BIGCOCKS.
Bankster Intelligence Global Criminal Oligarchical Crime Kapitalist Syndicate?
Not totally true. The CIA works for the President and Civilians. The NSA works for the Military. OBAMATM has fired a whole lot of Generals during his tenure. There seems to be the underpinnings of a Military Coup brewing...
USA under Military Law would be a Totalitarian State..that replaces the current one?
This is somewhat correct in that the NSA is traditionally part military and has many military personell in it, however this is where the CIA likely has a problem with the NSA. You see there are some very senior people in the NSA with military backrounds that still believe they are there to "protect and defend the Constitution of the Untited States of America." This is good by the way, it means the US still has some good guys left.
Now however, if you are the CIA et all, and you answer to those other than the People of the United States and have no respect for the Constitution (I believe one presidential puppet quoted it as "just a god damn peice of paper") then those who still believe in the good ole U.S.A. as it was originally created are in fact your adversaries.
The Government of the USA has been slowly taken over while everybody was watching.
Most here know this. Those that may not accept it can still feel it, in that they know something is critically wrong with the US Government but they may not be able to connect the dots yet.
The lies however will cause an implosion eventually. The truth is coming out in torrents now and hard to ignore. It is coming undone.
It's just a matter of time.
Jon Rappaport has a pretty good blog.
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/nsa-scandal-the-deepest-sec...
He thought Snowden was a CIA op against the NSA. What is weird is Snowden had a plum job for the CIA in Switzerland in his 20's. He then leaves and becomes a contractor with Booz Allen for the NSA.
Snowden declines to talk about his work at CIA. Hmmm.... Note that I am not attacking Snowden but something does not add up. I think all these spy agencies blackmail everyone in the govt.
4 Reasons people turn, MICE.
MONEY
IDEAOLOGY
CONSCIENCE
EGO
Wasn't
Money (His job paid really well, and he gave that up when he left)
Ego (He was one of the best tech people at the agency, and he had a pole dancing girlfriend, gave that up too.)
Snowden's were
Idealogy (Believed in America and the bill of rights)
Conscience (He knew what he was doing was wrong, and unconstitutional)
He'll always be hero in my book.
TRUST NO ONE.....
James Corbett/Sibel Edmonds discussed the Greenwald deal with Booz Allen/Paypal/NSA connections late last year, asking basic questions about the connections between the players on this whole Snowden affair. There seemed to be a lopsided flashback deriding the conversation and just questioning the way in which this is all being controlled wrt the remaining 99% of the snowden files to be released.
For my worthless opinion given the incestuous relationships that exist between Wall street/DC/London and the entire spook world with the documented drug and arms dealings and the ongoing race to secure the last of the cheap energy reserves it does not surprise me that these asshole organizations would start eating their young, though that is extremely simplistic. No doubt there is a war for control raging behind the scenes in spookville and this is just one battle ongoing.....
Snowden is CIA. I'm convinced.
This is not to say that everything going on in the NSA is aligned with the Constitution, it's likely not. But that is only more ammo for the CIA to use against those in the NSA that are beginning to stand up for the Constitution, the very foundation of the United States of America.
Remember, at it's core the Constitution is likely the greatest document ever written. It's core ideas are timeless and if used properly as a guide can ensure that Government serves the people instead of the other way around.
Any corrupt group would have a big problem overcomming this foundation, with all it's built in checks and balances. It would take time and a long term plan.
Such a group exists. It's real. The group has a plan. And it's almost accomplished it's objective.
Almost.
Now ask yourself- who likely has the goods on much of these treasonous acts? Who would be an observer and witness, perhaps without even knowing? Who would be able to search it's own records in order to compile reams of evidence against said group?
I would think the NSA would be able to do this.
Please note that one other organization was compiling evidence on all of this and had an active investigation tracking it through spending of all things (it's always the damn accountants isn't it).
Then 9/11 happened.
For more details on that read the links here:
http://911scholars.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=3488444%3ABlogPost%3A37385
Both are well researched. The 9/11 job was simply to destroy evidence and tie up some loose ends from projects begun long ago.
Detailed well here also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk
Well worth watching.
So............. how does this all relate to the NSA- they are after the NSA's evidence. They are trying hard to silence those within the NSA who are standing up for what is right.
And this turf war is going on behind the scenes because it's well, National Security. And anyone who leaks info on it can be held legally and prosecuted. Ironic isn't it.
Those who now may have the keys to saving the country have to break the law to do so.
They would however be upholding the Constitution.
My how far we've come.
Or perhaps, how far we've fallen.
Thanks for the link Freddie. He was on to this whole thing long before I put the pieces together. Wish I had been reading his blog earlier.
One really needs to know how DC works in order to see the whole picture (which Mr. Rappaport seems to understand). The place is so damn corrupt that it's difficult to tell who's who and what is what. But it's becoming clearer.
"What we have here is a failure of communication"
the fact that anybody inside the beltway can, at this point,claim they have "four options" -none of which is
"shut the damn un-Contitutional mess down altogether ASAP"
is a classic "failure of communication"
Especially as American Business -other than that catering diirectly to the Beast-is dead and will remain so until confidence in intellectual property has been restored.
poof, a large explosion somewhere in sw us would be apropriate, and of course an evacuation in advance- no innocents.
no sarc...
why do they even go through the farce of asking the courts for anything? to make it look like they follow the law?
I guess appearances really are everything.
[IMG]http://s30.postimg.org/97wvoh3dt/Untitled_09.jpg[/IMG]
Come on Democrats like Flak Meister - show your ugly faces to support your boy.
LOL +1000 for that one, kudos to your Freddie!!!!!!
One can't defend the indefensible.
Damn right, Freddie. I want to ask Flake if Barry's jizz tastes like Popeye's chicken or arugula.
Chuck Norris has a database for everything the NSA does...
"Since we like our NSA phone record database, we will keep our NSA phone record database."
And then we go on to lecture other countries on democracy and freedom.
The first thought is "Oh, the hypocrisy", but ironically, 'the hypocrisy' has been a key to the clever creation and expansion of this empire... and I suspect most others.
........ I only beat you because i love you so damned much ............. really it's for your own good.....
Yeah, the anthem of domestic violence plays the same on the big stage....... we only bomb you because we are trying to free you .....
Yup, and all the LOANS.
Endeavor to persevere
I dont know why I post anymore..I should just wait to see what the NSA has scanned from my brain as to what I was thinking....I am sure they can do that now
No need to scan mine to know what I'm thinking. I'd be happy to spell it out for them.
FUCK YOU!
I can't speak for the rest of you, but I really enjoy reading these posts from time to time...
Too funny...
I don't take it as sarcasm, irony or even humor anymore (I used to). I believe many of these posts, now, are literal expressions of frustration and anger.
It is no longer funny.
or just government agents acting as disruptors of course!
It isn't funny.
http://www.dickmorris.com/nsa-wants-your-password-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/
NSA was pressuring online providers to supply sign-ons and passwords.
They could post under your name, keep the data and then charge you for whatever.
Comparing Obama to Hitler is ridiculous.
You're right, Obama is much worse! He's ignoring the founding documents of this country, plain and simple. Much worse than Hitler in the context of AMERICA.
Was Bush II also worse than Hitler for the same reason? Which president represents the demarcation line between worse than/not worse than Hitler?
Cast from the same mold. Bush II's presidency was the framework for Obama's.
Yes Bush II was also worse than Hitler. Obama's successor, if there is one, will even be worse than OBAMATM.
What you claim is riduculous you support when it concerns the Red Team Leader.
Don't you believe that it may be construed as OUTRIGHT HYPOCRISY?
OBAMATM is much worse than Hitler. Bush II does not give OBAMATM justification for his assault and malfeasance in office.
But...but...but Bush!!
I thought, and still think Bush should have been impeached and I think no more of Obama. The " but Bush" meme got old the 3rd year Obama was in power yet it is still used as some kind of defense. Its sickening.
Malfeasance in office. Yes, that is so pathetically obvious I am completely baffled the whole lot is not serving life sentences for treason. This should have been the shortest trial in history. I'm living a nightmare that just won't end and hope to awaken to a sane rational world some day.
Miffed;-)
Bush 1 and 2 fill the bill as well. Any president which betrays the public trust and founding documents cross the line in my opinion.
I can't answer the question, it would also vary by opinion. Mine is but one.
Red Team/Blue Team...Rah! Rah! Rah!
You are so correct Klink on that. When will these people wake up?
They won't - they're too emotionally invested in the red team/blue team paradigm. They've been led so far down the track by the MSM that they believe their team is the best no matter what. It then becomes a competition of excuses.
"What were you thinking before the MSM did your thinking for you???"
The answer....until it's too late.
Divide and rule, that's what it's all about. When will they wake up indeed?!!
When you turn up the heat slowly it's alot easier to cook everyone's goose.......you only see the line in hindsight.
Yes, and considering the US has murdered more innocent people in the last 50 years than Hitler, or Stalin, we need a new meme.
Care to back that up with statistics?
Stalin's forced starvation of Ukraine alone killed around 10 million. He's estimated to have killed a total of 20 million people, most of those were his own citizens. Hitler killed around 11 million if you include POWs and civilians of his wars of aggression in addition to killing roughly 2/3 of all Jews in Europe at the time. You didn't bring Mao into comparison, but (I'll list it anyway) Mao killed 45 million of his own people.
Does the US have innocent blood on their hands? Sure they do, but they're a drop in an ocean compared to the two monsters you specifically compared them to, and nobody comes close to Mao.
It was from a documentary I saw last week. It was a reputable source. I'm trying to find the detail, but I might have to watch it again:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Lottery-Birth-Nicholas-Woodeson/dp/B00DIX666S
You might be surprised. A million and a half children died in Iraq due to the sanctions... before the latest war we had there. Iran sanctions, the toppling of the Iranian government, the South American string of government destabilizations. The results of the campaigns after 9/11 are responsible for millions of civilian deaths alone.
Shaftoe is right.
I started adding to his list and got pissed off and deleted it all after about 20 lines.
Learn some real history people.
I know that you're right. I know that Sarge is right. I know that you are pissed off. (Better than being pissed on.)
We need to see it. If we all get pissed off about it then maybe that will provide the incentive to stop supporting it.
Hitler was able to get away with what he did because of the ignorance of the people.
Throw it in thier face.
Let me guess. Are you Cass Sunstein?
Uh, yeah, that's me.
You assemble him...
The humor here seems to be split 20/80 incredible/painfully bad.
Wow, a winged jackass...
Oh and the picture has one too.
DaddyO
Are you trolling DaddyO?
/sarc
LOL
No TT, my troll meter has beed pegged of late and I'm growing a bit grumpy as a result!
DaddyO
I just love how people stay around to tell us just how bad things are here.
pods
The articles are mostly enjoyable, and the good posts are unrivaled elsewhere. A lot of the comments are utter trash, though.
Feel free to read the articles and avoid the comments then.
Oh right, you're just trolling.
Enjoy your 15 minutes of shame. Your time here is limited, but while you're here, you can suck my hairy balls.
He created an account to disrupt threads and deflect criticism from the growing immediate threat of Obama and the NSA. ZH has seen this before.
Nope, I'm just not plugged into your hive mind, and that ruffles your feathers.
I guess you'd have to have a mind if you wanted to join the hive or a plug for that matter.
DaddyO
Unfortunately for you, groupthink doesn't grant much in the way of wit.