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Obama Asks Court To Make NSA Database Even Bigger

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When a hypertotalitarian banana republic takes another turn for the gigasurreal, even Elon Musk is speechless.

In the most glaring example of how farcical idiocy has become the new normal, we will remind readers (especially those who do not follow us on twitter), of the following blurb from last night:

Sure enough, this attempt at comedy has just failed once more, as less than 24 hours later, it describes an increasingly surreal reality. Just out from the WSJ:

The Obama administration has asked a special court for approval to hold onto National Security Agency phone records for a longer period–an unintended consequence of lawsuits seeking to stop the phone-surveillance program.

 

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the Justice Department was considering such a move, which would end up expanding the controversial phone records database by not deleting older call records.

 

Under the current system, the database is purged of phone records more than five years old. The Justice Department, in a filing made public Wednesday, said it needs to hold onto the older records as evidence in lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and others.

 

Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it.

The gruesome irony of course is that after his so heartfelt, if completely scripted and rehearsed, appearance before the US public one month ago, when Obama promised he would do everything in his power to reform the NSA, including the ending of the Section 215 metadata collection, and the retenion of bulk phone records, the president certainly kept his promise. Just not quite in the way that everyone had assumed.

 

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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:07 | 4481499 Theta_Burn
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Virtual currency users beware...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:07 | 4481509 Ahmeexnal
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Impeach this moron already.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:19 | 4481564 macholatte
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...when Obama promised he would do everything in his power to...

 

we already know how that works: screw the sheeple

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:22 | 4481584 Manthong
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Although Himmler is baking on the 9th circle of the inferno, this has to warm his heart.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:26 | 4481607 The Abstraction...
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Here is a link for your NSA twats:

www.kingoftherepublic.com.

 

We're gonna take you all down, one by one. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:29 | 4481616 gmrpeabody
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Il Duce...., he even looks the part.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:57 | 4481798 BTCTalks
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:08 | 4481894 Supernova Born
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I figured out who hates our freedom.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:21 | 4481966 linniepar
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And it's not OBL or any jihadists. Those guys hate us for our hellfires. End Obozo.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4481995 eatthebanksters
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Once again a fucking lying POS!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:36 | 4482053 1000 splendid suns
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"Soetoro, party of four, on tee on the back nine..."

F.U. Valerie

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:44 | 4482335 dryam
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"Special Court".......how convenient.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:08 | 4482623 nmewn
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Saaay, this Obama fellow sure seems to be on some sort of egomaniacal power trip doesn't he?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:27 | 4482690 icanhasbailout
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at this point he doesn't even need to make his own evil plots... he can just read ZH and read everyone's satirical nightmare scenarios

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:06 | 4483069 HoofHearted
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It's like the Tylers are psycho or something. Er, I mean psychic. BO is the psycho one.

So if the Tylers are psychic, what are the Powerball numbers for this weekend? Do some good for a peon out here. I promise I'll spend all the money on farmland, gold, and some really bitchin' 50BMGs. It's what I'd do anyhow.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:32 | 4482696 TeamDepends
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We interrupt your regularly scheduled PROGRAMMING for this special report from the White House Choom Room:

(teleprompter):  Naaaahh, just kidding!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:14 | 4482218 wee-weed up
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The REAL "gruesome irony" of course is...

Now, from the Libs and the MSM, who eviscerated Bush...

(And I hate Bush!)

For doing only a fraction of what this dictator is now doing.

The silence is deafening...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:33 | 4482289 RSloane
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Are you kidding? They're still debating whether he is a god or just the most exceptional human being ever born and should be worshiped anyway.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:18 | 4482660 nmewn
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So this is what its like when "Hope" turns to despair and all one has left is pocket "Change".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:50 | 4483216 Thought Processor
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"You keep the Hope, I'll keep the Change"

 

Brought to you by Obummer (the latest in a long line of CIA puppet presidents).

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:21 | 4482672 OccupyTVstations
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You don't really believe that do you? I know plenty of people that hated Bush, saw him as a traitor. All of these people now see Obama as the same... sure they gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, then after a year or two we were all fed up.

So the red team hates this guy, and now most of the blue team too- but he won re-election because the other candidate was even worse. Sorta like Bush v Kerry in '04.

The fact is that there has never been a better time to revolt. The majority of Americans know Congress and the Puppet are frauds, and more importantly- the cops/military will be on our side.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:44 | 4483366 MontgomeryScott
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Don't know who would downvote you here...

There seem to be many supporters of corporate facism, global dominance, and the plan to depopulate Earth by war, violence, and pestilence, that have made their way on to this site, which (at one time) was populated by those of sounder minds and the dream of positive outcomes for humanity.

The 'opposition' in '08 (the selected one, Mitt Romney) had established the beta-test healthcare plan in MA. (which was referred to as 'RomneyCare'). Obama even referred to it as the 'BLUEPRINT' for 'Obamacare'. Those BUSHITES forget this FACT (along with many others), regarding this pivotal selection (not 'election', as this implies that the People actually HAVE A CHOICE in the matter... the TWO corporate facist political orginizations known as the RNC and the DNC have long ago hikacked the election process, and trot up thier so-called 'contenders' who agree on everything of importance, like militarization of the police, NSA spying, the FEDERAL RESERVE status, the MIC funding bills, the erosion of Constitutional promises, the CHOICE OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEES, and the IRS TAXATION LEGALITY...).

Again, I can't imagine a person who, being aware of these undisputable facts, would downvote your comment.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 08:42 | 4483929 Marge N Call
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Thought Experiment:

1. Just substitute "Bush" for "Obama" in some of the headlines and scandals, such as Obamacare website delay, NSA, Bengazi, Fast/Furious.

2. Then ask yourself if the headlines and talking heads would have the same "excuses" for Bush as they do for Obama.

Do you REALLY think the NY Times et al would NOT have called for Bush's resignation on any one, forget about the combination, of those rumors, let alone fact?

If so, then you are hopelessly naive; you are on a team and don't even seem to know it, or admit to it. Worse, you don't realize that the media is an arm of the govmt. At least with Bush, the media hated him in general, so did hollyweird, which is much healthier.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:23 | 4483131 TheReplacement
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We'll know the outcome of that debate by if they try to get him a 3rd term or "for life".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:08 | 4483075 PapSmear
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Dat be rayciss!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:05 | 4483249 MontgomeryScott
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You are referring to G Bush the Younger, of course, who pushed and signed the USAPATRIOT, established the TSA, put all kinds of governmental agencies under the umbrella of the DHS (INCLUDING the United States Coast Guard, for God's sake!) started up Guantanamo, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, signed legislation the retroactively exonerated the telecoms from gathering and passing information to the NSA for their database, had a vice-president who came out in support of waterboarding and said that 'defecits don't matter', whose father spoke famously on September 11, 1991, of the fact that 'WE' will achieve the New World Order, and so many other things that cannot be detailed here (in order that the groundwork BUSH LAID would allow his predecessor, SOETORO, to continue and GROW this current facist totalitarian superstate...

WHAT did you say, again? I missed your point COMLETELY.

Oh, I almost forgot about the FIRST bankster bailout ($700 Billion). THAT was Bushie (your alleged hero), as well...

Either your memory is jaded by partisan politics, or you weren't alive and paying attention back in the years 2000-2009. i don't THINK you're 5 years old, however...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZeRwuN68VQ

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:26 | 4482265 kchrisc
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Great wise-one once said: "They do not lie, if one understands that everything they say is a lie."

 

Another great and wise-one said: “They do not lie, if their heads lie in a basket.”

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:43 | 4482739 Ness.
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Yet another great one.  "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie, you believe it"

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:53 | 4483393 MontgomeryScott
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A twisted logic argument like yours was once used in a Star Trek episode (not all the other fake ones, the ORIGINAL one, back in the 1960's).

The enterprise was hijacked by a cyborg programmed by one Harry Mudd. Mudd is actually enslaved by them...

The finishing blow comes when Mudd and Kirk pose Norman the Liar paradox, where Mudd claims he is lying and Kirk claims everything Mudd says is a lie. Short circuiting at this imponderable logical contradiction, Norman finally shuts down. Without a controlling leader, the other androids freeze up and stop working. This allows them to be reprogrammed to return to their original task of making the planet habitable. Mudd is officially and indefinitely paroled to the android population, which he finds acceptable until he realizes, to Kirk and his crew's amusement, that not only has the nagging android Stella been reprogrammed not to respond to the command "Shut up!" but there are now at least 500 copies of her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Mudd

Everything I needed to know, I learned on Star Trek. (That's a book, by the way. I used to have a copy, back in the 1970's)

I think my old avatar was more recognizable (the Titanic taking the plunge).

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:10 | 4481902 Joe Davola
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See, it's all those entities protecting your rights who are forcing them to trample them further.

Wait, what...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4481994 Ignatius
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"Under the proposal made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the older data would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it."

Her older undies would continue to be held, but NSA analysts would not be allowed to sniff them.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:09 | 4483428 MontgomeryScott
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I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN; MS. LEWINSKY.

I have a gun, but I won't use it. Trust me.

'I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND I'M HERE TO HELP.'

Your Social Security number is a private number between you and your government, and will never be used for any other purpose than securing your retirement benefits. (YES, they actually stated this, way back)

NSA analysts would not be allowed to search it (that is, if Congress stands up and says that this is not only illegal, but unConstitutional). Oh, YEAH, they're gonna do THAT won't they? WAIT: Let's ask Chuck Hegel... SEE! It's because of Terrorists, terror, terrorists 9/11, terror attacks, terrorterrorterrorists WMD, Yellowcake Uranium, mobile production facilities, terror, Tea Party terror, terrorist groups, SPLC studies, and 'actionable information'.    WELL, I'm GLAD CONGRESS finally decided to go along with the 'RIGHT' decision regarding NSA powers... (Obama, Hegel, Pelosi, McCain, Hoyer, Boehner, Reid, Yellen, et.al., 2014)

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:57 | 4481709 bigdumbnugly
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thong, dante may have to crank it up to 10 (or maybe even 11) to get this obummer guy the level he deserves.

get me spinal tap on the line.

stat!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:33 | 4482043 Oldwood
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Come on! He is only doing because he loves us so. Why we could be his Ni**er.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:52 | 4482128 shovelhead
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You can'Smell the Glove' from here.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:20 | 4481575 Overfed
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Better yet, get some rope.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:21 | 4481581 pods
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Does anyone with two brain cells passing in the night cortex think they have purged anything?

There will be a purge, just not the one that everyone is clamoring for.

pods

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:32 | 4481623 gmrpeabody
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"two brain cells passing in the night"  Classic...

Thanks, Pods..., you made my day.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:01 | 4481838 Charles Nelson ...
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Gold, Guns, Getaway......

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:09 | 4481905 NemoDeNovo
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F#(& It, nobody lives forever viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:20 | 4483447 MontgomeryScott
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Frank Sinatra: "Strangers In The Night":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlSbSKNk9f0

Strangers in the night,

exchanging rubbers...

This one is to tight,

I'll try another...

This one is too loose,

I think I lost my juice...

Doo be do be doo, be do be do doo...

Like two ships passing in the night, ...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:52 | 4482126 Zymurguy
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A purge of those records will only occur if we revolt, organize and physically assault these data centers and destroy them.  They are all in violation of our God given rights and we would be just to do so.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:49 | 4482359 The_Dude
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OT but not....

http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-red-line/article/2014/2/18/academic...

When do you think this future head of the Justice Dept. will be appointed so we can get some real 'thought control' laws on the books? 

I completely understand why 'academics' are often the first to take a bullet when people decide they have had enough.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:21 | 4483451 MontgomeryScott
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Unfortunately, you are correct.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:41 | 4483576 willwork4food
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Might want to stop going to the mall every day, war is coming.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:39 | 4481691 Stoploss
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Not a moron.

HE IS A LYING SACK OF SHIT...........

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:56 | 4481793 NotApplicable
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Why not both?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:01 | 4481825 onewayticket2
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because he's not a moron.  He's a Statist.  He has been taught this method as a means to "fundamentally transform America" by breaking it and rebuilding (in His image). 

this is intentional, not accidental.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:10 | 4481900 Meat Hammer
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His image?  Bullshit.  He's a PTB cum-rag and will go the way of the rest of the cum-rags.

When they erect his conciliatory statue on the south side of Chicago I want to be the first of many to piss on it.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:30 | 4482025 Cacete de Ouro
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Barry sure acts like a cum-rag when he's in Man's Country, north Chicago, with the hairy bears

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:38 | 4482293 RSloane
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I'm pretty sure there will be a line to piss on it. Get there early!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:29 | 4482508 Karl von Bahnhof
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It Takes One Courageous Congressman To Start Impeachment

http://larouchepac.com/node/30000

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:33 | 4482964 cheetahbaby
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Wait til we get all the airports and highway renamed!!! Sotero Int'l Airfield, Chicago, Illinois.....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:07 | 4481881 Meat Hammer
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Yes, both, which makes him the perfect puppet.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:23 | 4481985 geotrader
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This narcissistic POS fully believes everything that comes out of his mouth.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:42 | 4482326 Unlawful Justice
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 it's only the truth if you be-lie-ve...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:54 | 4481785 Chupacabra-322
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@ Ahmeexnal,

Impeach, Arrest, Tri, Convict & Execute. In that order.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:05 | 4481871 Skateboarder
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How about giving him a taste of his own drone medicine. ;)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:42 | 4482077 Chupacabra-322
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Well, since THE UNITED STATES, CORP. INC is in a mass Defraudimg of The American People by functioning off the Corp version of THE CONSTITUTION not the Organic one.

Sure. I'm game.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:12 | 4481924 rum_runner
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Lead into gold already!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:22 | 4481979 Whalley World
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He ordered Guillotines, why not let him be the first to try it out?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:26 | 4482004 drendebe10
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You ain't justa sh*ttin..... too bad the corrupt idiot B*ttf*ks in congress are too weak, stupid and evil to hold the arrogant pathologic lying illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathy accountable to his oath of office.... the tax paying serfs and peasants always get the dried up hind tit...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:38 | 4482535 PhilofOz
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Yeah well I hate the lying scum too, but calling him a muslim when he is surrounded by Zionists, many with dual citizenship, giving him all the advice he needs is about as ridiculous as it can get.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:01 | 4482820 gtb
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This is the third time I've reminded you the cock-sucking son-of-a-bitch is gay.  Please add that to your future lists.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:00 | 4483070 OccupyTVstations
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too bad the corrupt idiot B*ttf*ks in congress are too weak, stupid and evil to hold the arrogant pathologic lying illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathy accountable to his oath of office.

So they've failed to uphold their oath as well.  Who needs to hold them accountable?  Us with "elections"?

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:27 | 4482010 BlackVoid
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If O is impeached, the next puppet will continue with the same policy.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:03 | 4482167 Tall Tom
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Yeah. That guy's name is Joe Biden. He becomes our glorious leader....may God forbid. 

 

And if something happens to him, then we get the Orange Boner to be shoved up where the sun don't shine...

 

Neither one is better than the Sodomite in Chief. They are worse.

 

Can you imagine the Orange Boner dealing with Pukin?

 

He'd fold like he does with OBAMATM

 

The Orange Boner, "You want to what? You want to take over Eastern Europe?"

 

Pukin, "Well it was our Territory..." 

 

The Orange Boner, "Oh..OK. We just can't win anyway."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:43 | 4482082 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Is it too late to impeach Bush, both of them.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:25 | 4482255 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Impeach this moron already."...

Impeach President Barrack Insane Obama? 

But that's so... so... First Term 2009 pre-Libya, pre-Syria, pre-Ukraine, pre-NDAA, pre-Fast & Furious, pre-IRS scandal, pre-NSA scandal pre-Second Term...

Isn't it?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:58 | 4482395 blown income
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Needs to be JFK'D

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:04 | 4482836 gtb
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I think there'd probably be more than just one or two shooters.  The grassy knolls would be packed shoulder to shoulder.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:11 | 4482440 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Impeach this moron already.

I remember a time when the United States still functioned above a minimal threshold of law and order and impeachment still meant something that mattered. I'm afraid it's now nothing more than nostalgic sentimentality.

While impeachment is an enumerated remedy within the system, it has no effect without a functional system. As it stands, all essential political and government positions have been bought. Even as the charade of elections and the facade of a two-party political system rotate the cast of characters, the positions themselves stay bought.

You will only see an impeachment when it has been a part of the plan all along. Even if [any_current_president] were to administer electrical shocks to a woman in labor and her child as it is born, on live television, during halftime at the Super Bowl, while giving a speech about family values, he or she would not be impeached if it went against the plan.

Additionally, even if someone hasn't yet seen through the two-party veneer, it's still pretty clear that an impeachment would result in replacement with someone functionally equivalent to the impeached.

I can't see that a solution exists within the framework of the current system. Fortunately, the increasing marginal costs of and decreasing marginal returns on societal complexity will eventually force a return to a lower level of complexity.

It might be a good time for people to think about the difference between their country and their government and, if given a choice, which they would choose if they could only save one.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:29 | 4483147 disabledvet
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"The NSA database is so big it includes the other you."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter_ego
that sounds like a joke.
maybe it is.
maybe it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:58 | 4483406 Thought Processor
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Nice summation Stooge.  It's correct in that the System is broken and needs to be fixed.

The country is based on the Constitution of the United States of America.  If it was still followed instead of being subverted we'd be ok.   We're off the tracks now though. 

The current system needs to implode, and the corrupted system thrown out.

Then back to the original Constitution.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:14 | 4482448 Surging Chaos
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Then we'd have to impeach Biden.

Then Boner.

Then... ah fuck it just throw everyone out!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:01 | 4482611 Tall Tom
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Sharpenin' my cold steel...

 

You don't throw them out. You try them for Treason, convict them, and let the Gullotine exact justice.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:14 | 4482648 Toxicosis
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Rescind the whole fucking government already!!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:31 | 4483564 Jumbotron
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Impeaching the moron is not enough.  Clinton was impeached and kept right on truckin'.  You have to convict as well.  

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:08 | 4481514 seek
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I'd add anyone that's breathing to the list along with the virtual currency users.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:31 | 4481632 Thought Processor
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I think that the real problem is with the other agency that has been growing like a cancer for decades-  yes, I'll say it in a whisper.

It's the......... C.....I......A

And the NSA is being painted as a target.  Why now one wonders?

Why is it that our controlled media shines such a light on what has been common knowledge to anyone who knows anything about the NSA.  

Why now?

 

Because knowledge is power (especially in D.C.).  All of the NSA coverage (w/ Snowden added in for fun) began after Benghazi.  Right before the congressional testimony.   The NSA likely had the evidence of all that happened and had congress gone into it further it may have opened up several cans of worms.

Except the other team decided to hit back hard to serve a warning.  Saying do not go there.  Don't even think about it.

The CIA and it's various offshoots are far more powerful than the NSA, and have been for some time.

 

This is an internal war.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:44 | 4481681 centerline
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Don't know enough to talk about what 3 letter group is doing what and to whom, but I will wager that data collection includes politicians, judges, etc.  Even bankers.  Internal war?  Yes.  Just a matter of a trigger event for things to real ugly (and fast).

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:59 | 4481812 Chupacabra-322
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@ Centerline,

It's collapsing all around the Criminals. They're very, very nervous. It's the reason why they're eating their own. Tick toc, tick toc....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:41 | 4482071 SMG
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Yea but the CIA and NSA are just two tentacles of the same vampire squid.   Somewhat like the "Democrats" and "Republicans".  It's all run by the Oligarch central comittee.  Maybe this is part of the plan to bring the US down, get the two agencies fighting each other.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:44 | 4482091 Chupacabra-322
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Actually, its The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:46 | 4482345 jimmytorpedo
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Hey Chupa,

If you added something with a "K" and jumbled it up, you make an acronym of BIGCOCKS.

Bankster Intelligence Global Criminal Oligarchical Crime Kapitalist Syndicate?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:09 | 4482200 Tall Tom
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Not totally true. The CIA works for the President and Civilians. The NSA works for the Military. OBAMATM has fired a whole lot of Generals during his tenure. There seems to be the underpinnings of a Military Coup brewing...

 

USA under Military Law would be a Totalitarian State..that replaces the current one?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:11 | 4483282 Thought Processor
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This is somewhat correct in that the NSA is traditionally part military and has many military personell in it, however this is where the CIA likely has a problem with the NSA.  You see there are some very senior people in the NSA with military backrounds that still believe they are there to "protect and defend the Constitution of the Untited States of America."  This is good by the way, it means the US still has some good guys left.

Now however, if you are the CIA et all, and you answer to those other than the People of the United States and have no respect for the Constitution (I believe one presidential puppet quoted it as "just a god damn peice of paper") then those who still believe in the good ole U.S.A. as it was originally created are in fact your adversaries.

The Government of the USA has been slowly taken over while everybody was watching.

Most here know this.  Those that may not accept it can still feel it, in that they know something is critically wrong with the US Government but they may not be able to connect the dots yet.

The lies however will cause an implosion eventually.  The truth is coming out in torrents now and hard to ignore.   It is coming undone.

It's just a matter of time.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:45 | 4482095 Freddie
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Jon Rappaport has a pretty good blog.

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/nsa-scandal-the-deepest-sec...

He thought Snowden was a CIA op against the NSA.   What is weird is Snowden had a plum job for the CIA in Switzerland in his 20's.   He then leaves and becomes a contractor with Booz Allen for the NSA.  

Snowden declines to talk about his work at CIA.  Hmmm....  Note that I am not attacking Snowden but something does not add up.   I think all these spy agencies blackmail everyone in the govt.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:54 | 4482133 SMG
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4 Reasons people turn,  MICE.

MONEY

IDEAOLOGY

CONSCIENCE

EGO

Wasn't

Money (His job paid really well, and he gave that up when he left)

Ego (He was one of the best tech people at the agency, and he had a pole dancing girlfriend, gave that up too.)

 

Snowden's were

Idealogy (Believed in America and the bill of rights)

Conscience (He knew what he was doing was wrong, and unconstitutional)

He'll always be hero in my book.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:32 | 4482960 Rakshas
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TRUST NO ONE.....

James Corbett/Sibel Edmonds discussed the Greenwald deal with Booz Allen/Paypal/NSA connections late last year, asking basic questions about the connections between the players on this whole Snowden affair.  There seemed to be a lopsided flashback deriding the conversation and just questioning the way in which this is all being controlled wrt the remaining 99% of the snowden files to be released.  

For my worthless opinion given the incestuous relationships that exist between Wall street/DC/London and the entire spook world with the documented drug and arms dealings and the ongoing race to secure the last of the cheap energy reserves it does not surprise me that these asshole organizations would start eating their young, though that is extremely simplistic. No doubt there is a war for control raging behind the scenes in spookville and this is just one battle ongoing.....

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:05 | 4483374 Thought Processor
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Snowden is CIA.  I'm convinced.  

This is not to say that everything going on in the NSA is aligned with the Constitution, it's likely not.  But that is only more ammo for the CIA to use against those in the NSA that are beginning to stand up for the Constitution, the very foundation of the United States of America.  

Remember, at it's core the Constitution is likely the greatest document ever written.  It's core ideas are timeless and if used properly as a guide can ensure that Government serves the people instead of the other way around.

Any corrupt group would have a big problem overcomming this foundation, with all it's built in checks and balances.  It would take time and a long term plan.   

Such a group exists.  It's real.  The group has a plan.  And it's almost accomplished it's objective.

Almost.

 

Now ask yourself- who likely has the goods on much of these treasonous acts?  Who would be an observer and witness, perhaps without even knowing?  Who would be able to search it's own records in order to compile reams of evidence against said group?

I would think the NSA would be able to do this.

 

Please note that one other organization was compiling evidence on all of this and had an active investigation tracking it through spending of all things (it's always the damn accountants isn't it).

Then 9/11 happened.

For more details on that read the links here:

http://911scholars.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=3488444%3ABlogPost%3A37385

Both are well researched.   The 9/11 job was simply to destroy evidence and tie up some loose ends from projects begun long ago.

Detailed well here also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk

Well worth watching.

So............. how does this all relate to the NSA-  they are after the NSA's evidence.  They are trying hard to silence those within the NSA who are standing up for what is right.

And this turf war is going on behind the scenes because it's well, National Security.  And anyone who leaks info on it can be held legally and prosecuted.  Ironic isn't it.  

Those who now may have the keys to saving the country have to break the law to do so.

They would however be upholding the Constitution.  

 

My how far we've come.

Or perhaps, how far we've fallen.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:33 | 4484256 Thought Processor
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Thanks for the link Freddie.   He was on to this whole thing long before I put the pieces together.  Wish I had been reading his blog earlier.

 

One really needs to know how DC works in order to see the whole picture (which Mr. Rappaport seems to understand).  The place is so damn corrupt that it's difficult to tell who's who and what is what.   But it's becoming clearer.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:21 | 4481580 doctor10
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"What we have here is a failure of communication"

the fact that anybody inside the beltway can, at this point,claim they have "four options" -none of which is

"shut the damn un-Contitutional mess down altogether ASAP"

is a classic "failure of communication"

 

Especially as American Business -other than that catering diirectly to the Beast-is dead and will remain so until confidence in intellectual property has been restored.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:28 | 4481615 new game
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poof, a large explosion somewhere in sw us would be apropriate, and of course an evacuation in advance- no innocents.

no sarc...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:44 | 4481679 ZH Snob
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why do they even go through the farce of asking the courts for anything?  to make it look like they follow the law? 

I guess appearances really are everything.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:08 | 4481780 rotagen
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:18 | 4481898 rotagen
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:55 | 4481789 Freddie
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Come on Democrats like Flak Meister - show your ugly faces to support your boy. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:11 | 4481916 NemoDeNovo
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LOL +1000 for that one, kudos to your Freddie!!!!!!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:23 | 4481984 Things that go bump
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One can't defend the indefensible. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:42 | 4482078 Meat Hammer
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Damn right, Freddie.  I want to ask Flake if Barry's jizz tastes like Popeye's chicken or arugula.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:24 | 4482261 fooshorter
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Chuck Norris has a database for everything the NSA does... 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 08:13 | 4483872 ndotken
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"Since we like our NSA phone record database, we will keep our NSA phone record database."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:07 | 4481502 agent default
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And then we go on to lecture other countries on democracy and freedom. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:29 | 4482026 Ignatius
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The first thought is "Oh, the hypocrisy", but ironically, 'the hypocrisy' has been a key to the clever creation and expansion of this empire... and I suspect most others.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:46 | 4482103 Rakshas
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........ I only beat you because i love you so damned much ............. really it's for your own good.....

Yeah, the anthem of domestic violence plays the same on the big stage....... we only bomb you because we are trying to free you .....

 

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:46 | 4482105 tickhound
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Yup, and all the LOANS.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:27 | 4483324 1ifbyland
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Endeavor to persevere

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:07 | 4481506 youngman
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I dont know why I post anymore..I should just wait to see what the NSA has scanned from my brain as to what I was thinking....I am sure they can do that now

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:18 | 4481566 Colonel Klink
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No need to scan mine to know what I'm thinking.  I'd be happy to spell it out for them.

FUCK YOU!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:39 | 4481697 gmrpeabody
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I can't speak for the rest of you, but I really enjoy reading these posts from time to time...

Too funny...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:19 | 4481843 MichiganMilitiaMan
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I don't take it as sarcasm, irony or even humor anymore (I used to).  I believe many of these posts, now, are literal expressions of frustration and anger.

It is no longer funny.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:33 | 4482040 Panem et Circus
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or just government agents acting as disruptors of course!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:21 | 4481578 gafgroocK
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I dont know why I post anymore..I should just wait to see what the NSA has scanned from my brain as to what I was thinking....I am sure they can do that now

 

 

Maybe they will start reading and doing the posting for you, all in one? I am sure there is an App for that...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:57 | 4481800 OldPhart
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It isn't funny.

http://www.dickmorris.com/nsa-wants-your-password-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

NSA was pressuring online providers to supply sign-ons and passwords.

They could post under your name, keep the data and then charge you for whatever.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:07 | 4481507 williambanzai7
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:21 | 4481579 jmp esp
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Comparing Obama to Hitler is ridiculous.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:22 | 4481585 Colonel Klink
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You're right, Obama is much worse!  He's ignoring the founding documents of this country, plain and simple.  Much worse than Hitler in the context of AMERICA.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:43 | 4481714 Spastica Rex
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Was Bush II also worse than Hitler for the same reason? Which president represents the demarcation line between worse than/not worse than Hitler?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:01 | 4481827 jmp esp
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Cast from the same mold. Bush II's presidency was the framework for Obama's.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:18 | 4482233 Tall Tom
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Yes Bush II was also worse than Hitler. Obama's successor, if there is one, will even be worse than OBAMATM.

 

What you claim is riduculous you support when it concerns the Red Team Leader.

 

Don't you believe that it may be construed as OUTRIGHT HYPOCRISY?

 

OBAMATM is much worse than Hitler. Bush II does not give OBAMATM justification for his assault and malfeasance in office.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:51 | 4482366 RSloane
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But...but...but Bush!!

I thought, and still think Bush should have been impeached and I think no more of Obama. The " but Bush" meme got old the 3rd year Obama was in power yet it is still used as some kind of defense. Its sickening.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:57 | 4482386 Miffed Microbio...
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Malfeasance in office. Yes, that is so pathetically obvious I am completely baffled the whole lot is not serving life sentences for treason. This should have been the shortest trial in history. I'm living a nightmare that just won't end and hope to awaken to a sane rational world some day.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:01 | 4481832 Colonel Klink
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Bush 1 and 2 fill the bill as well.  Any president which betrays the public trust and founding documents cross the line in my opinion.

I can't answer the question, it would also vary by opinion.  Mine is but one.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:20 | 4482244 Tall Tom
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Red Team/Blue Team...Rah! Rah! Rah!

 

You are so correct Klink on that. When will these people wake up?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:53 | 4482375 RSloane
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They won't - they're too emotionally invested in the red team/blue team paradigm. They've been led so far down the track by the MSM that they believe their team is the best no matter what. It then becomes a competition of excuses.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:00 | 4483054 cheetahbaby
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"What were you thinking before the MSM did your thinking for you???"

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:00 | 4482400 Colonel Klink
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The answer....until it's too late.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:13 | 4482646 PhilofOz
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Divide and rule, that's what it's all about. When will they wake up indeed?!!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 08:36 | 4483919 mtl4
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When you turn up the heat slowly it's alot easier to cook everyone's goose.......you only see the line in hindsight.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:04 | 4481862 SgtShaftoe
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Yes, and considering the US has murdered more innocent people in the last 50 years than Hitler, or Stalin, we need a new meme. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:43 | 4482086 Panem et Circus
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Care to back that up with statistics?

Stalin's forced starvation of Ukraine alone killed around 10 million. He's estimated to have killed a total of 20 million people, most of those were his own citizens. Hitler killed around 11 million if you include POWs and civilians of his wars of aggression in addition to killing roughly 2/3 of all Jews in Europe at the time. You didn't bring Mao into comparison, but (I'll list it anyway) Mao killed 45 million of his own people.

Does the US have innocent blood on their hands? Sure they do, but they're a drop in an ocean compared to the two monsters you specifically compared them to, and nobody comes close to Mao.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:54 | 4482140 SgtShaftoe
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It was from a documentary I saw last week.  It was a reputable source.  I'm trying to find the detail, but I might have to watch it again:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Lottery-Birth-Nicholas-Woodeson/dp/B00DIX666S

You might be surprised.  A million and a half children died in Iraq due to the sanctions... before the latest war we had there. Iran sanctions, the toppling of the Iranian government, the South American string of government destabilizations.  The results of the campaigns after 9/11 are responsible for millions of civilian deaths alone. 

 

 

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:01 | 4482405 jimmytorpedo
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Shaftoe is right.

I started adding to his list and got pissed off and deleted it all after about 20 lines.

Learn some real history people.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:58 | 4482802 Tall Tom
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I know that you're right. I know that Sarge is right. I know that you are pissed off. (Better than being pissed on.)

 

We need to see it. If we all get pissed off about it then maybe that will provide the incentive to stop supporting it.

 

Hitler was able to get away with what he did because of the ignorance of the people.

 

Throw it in thier face.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 16:25 | 4481601 williambanzai7
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Let me guess. Are you Cass Sunstein?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:18 | 4481951 jmp esp
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Uh, yeah, that's me.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:29 | 4482008 williambanzai7
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You assemble him...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:30 | 4482028 jmp esp
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The humor here seems to be split 20/80 incredible/painfully bad.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:51 | 4482125 DaddyO
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Wow, a winged jackass...

Oh and the picture has one too.

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 18:23 | 4482258 Tall Tom
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Are you trolling DaddyO?

 

/sarc

 

LOL

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:09 | 4482635 DaddyO
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No TT, my troll meter has beed pegged of late and I'm growing a bit grumpy as a result!

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:54 | 4482142 pods
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I just love how people stay around to tell us just how bad things are here.

pods

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 17:59 | 4482160 jmp esp
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The articles are mostly enjoyable, and the good posts are unrivaled elsewhere. A lot of the comments are utter trash, though.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:56 | 4483222 superflex
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Feel free to read the articles and avoid the comments then.

Oh right, you're just trolling.

Enjoy your 15 minutes of shame.  Your time here is limited, but while you're here, you can suck my hairy balls.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 19:45 | 4482558 RSloane
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He created an account to disrupt threads and deflect criticism from the growing immediate threat of Obama and the NSA. ZH has seen this before.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:01 | 4482614 jmp esp
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Nope, I'm just not plugged into your hive mind, and that ruffles your feathers.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:11 | 4482641 DaddyO
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I guess you'd have to have a mind if you wanted to join the hive or a plug for that matter.

DaddyO

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:15 | 4482653 jmp esp
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Unfortunately for you, groupthink doesn't grant much in the way of wit.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!